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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is not good.

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Speaker 1: So I twenty eight male, just got out of my

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Speaker 1: first ever relationship, a six year one, which damn just

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Speaker 1: a doozy. That's a long long time. I live in

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Speaker 1: her was making the whole getting over her part really difficult.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get away, so I thought myself,

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Speaker 1: wayesque lifestyle. Live it up maybe, So I went on

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Speaker 1: holiday to Zambia, my home country.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: Now. A week before doing so, I changed my location

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Speaker 1: on all the dating apps to prepare myself and line

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Speaker 1: some data. Anyway, I get to Zambia and I'm happy

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Speaker 1: a couple of days, and then I start doing work.

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Speaker 1: It was fun for about a week, and then I

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Speaker 1: start going to Poundtown. Poundtown. It was fun for about

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Speaker 1: a week, but then it quickly became more of a

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Speaker 1: chore than anything. Around this time, I matched with a

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Speaker 1: cute mixed girl. I mixed too, And the conversation was

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Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you have a lot in common.

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Speaker 1: Because this actually didn't you feel like a chour anymore.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was actually really liking this girl.

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Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying the deep, long convos. And during these

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Speaker 1: convos we talk about our families to see if we

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Speaker 1: know each other. Coos lusaka. The capital is really small.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows everyone here. But as I'm here staying with

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Speaker 1: of him. She goes by her stepfather's surname, as she

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Speaker 1: I asked my dad if he's heard of her surname,

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: Sounded great, so far, sound great. Around day three, she

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Speaker 1: drunkenly invites me over. It was lovely Mordip convos, making

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Speaker 1: out Mordep convos. She's on our period, so nothing further happens.

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Speaker 1: Spend the night, though we really get to know each other.

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Speaker 1: I go home. Three days later, I visit again and

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Speaker 1: do the d oh yeah. At this point, I feel

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do long distance. Plus I did

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Speaker 1: come here to enjoy myself, and I've just gotten out

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Speaker 1: here in like two years, seems like a pretty like mature,

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Speaker 1: like adult conversation. Yeah, they're really like sorting things out,

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Speaker 1: communicating right. Yeah, So this morning I ask her about

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Speaker 1: her day. How's the farm? I know from yesterday's chat

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did you tell her her? It's more about

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Speaker 1: what did she say her? It's just so sad. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to tell you me. I'm confused. What

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Speaker 1: I don't know now, because you're freaking me out. Just

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Speaker 1: I doubt it though, because lots of people have your

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 1: What, and this is from your og dad? What's his name?

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Speaker 1: I'll ask my mom? She then sends his name. I

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Speaker 1: knows this person. She does. It's her first cousin. No,

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Speaker 1: should have known. Yeah, for real, my stomach was having

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Speaker 1: my body. Straight turtle show, straight turtled. I asked my

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Speaker 1: He thought the stepdad was the real father. Oh, my

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Speaker 1: dad also lived between three countries in the past twelve years.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm disgusted by the whole situation. She's trying

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Speaker 1: and I've told her all this doesn't matter. You can

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Speaker 1: your blood is my blood. Yeah, I fly out this Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and she's asked to come talk about the situation face

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Speaker 1: to face before I go, So we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Edit.

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Speaker 1: I've read the responses and apparently Jenne, I'm all good

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Speaker 1: people who are saying it isn't a big deal, though

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Speaker 1: I doubt they are close to their second cousins. I've

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Speaker 1: grown up raising some, looking up to others, and going

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Speaker 1: the relation to a second cousin is real to me.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine doing what we did with the ones.

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Speaker 1: I'm close to finding out she is one. I'll never

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Look your fam up before you start messing around, you know,

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Speaker 1: do your research, Do your research.

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Speaker 2: Would I be the a whole if I refuse to

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Speaker 2: help with my partner's daughter's grad party after I've been

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Speaker 2: banned from attending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I don't think so. If you're if

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Speaker 1: you're attending, you got you got no obligation. How am

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Speaker 1: I going to help with something I'm banned at, no

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Speaker 1: no obligation? Coome one?

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Speaker 2: Now, my long term partner has been divorced for years.

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Speaker 2: The divorce was acrimonious, and he and his ex wife

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Speaker 2: true definition of acrimonious.

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Speaker 1: I think like acrimonious means not good. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's the definition now not good. The

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Speaker 2: divorce was not good. Miriam Webster, We've been asked to

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Speaker 2: host their daughter's graduation party at our home because my

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Speaker 2: secure the venue. Way to go. I spent a week

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Speaker 2: planning after the party, making arrangements, ordering materials to make

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Speaker 2: her vision of reality. This sounds like a great friend, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for real?

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Speaker 1: Right friend?

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Speaker 2: A week later, she informed us that my presence would

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Speaker 2: anger her mother and under no circumstances could I attend

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Speaker 2: the party being held at my own home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's especially ridiculous. Is that your own home and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, I'm literally gonna be sitting back and

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Speaker 2: watching Netflix while all you are partying. I'm not in

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Speaker 1: I'm not in the party.

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Speaker 2: Go on, carry Carrie. I'm just sitting here in my

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Speaker 2: own I'm just watching Is it a cake? Don't mind me?

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Speaker 1: We should react to is it a cake?

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Speaker 2: We really should. Yeah, we need to get our we

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Speaker 2: refuse to plan, organize, and decorate for this party and

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Speaker 2: there's an update?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Wait wait, first off, would I be the a whole? No?

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't be the bro and not have them invite

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Speaker 2: Also in your own you you really can't. It's almost

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Speaker 2: impossible to uninvite someone to a party in their own home.

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Speaker 1: Like all right, Like I would understand maybe, like if

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, completely ridiculous. Yeah, it's way O d In my own,

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Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I'm ignoring all of you and staying my

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Speaker 2: and I will be consuming the food that I had

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Speaker 2: planned for the party while dressed in LBDs.

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Speaker 1: Or doing some research. The research team is on it.

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Speaker 2: Little but little black dresses. Oh, little bit dresses, ma'am

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Speaker 2: read it. Y'all love acronyms. So while we're dressed in

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Speaker 2: little black dresses, drinking champagne and contemplating my future, let

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Speaker 2: it be known. Op, good for.

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Speaker 1: You your life, Yeah, live your life, and uh maybe.

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Speaker 2: Get out of there. I found underwear that is it

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Speaker 2: mine in my boyfriend's drawer.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Oh, that is not a good situation.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not, Samuel, look at it.

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Speaker 1: Suspicious.

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Speaker 2: So I female, twenty seven, have been with my boyfriend

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, male for four years. We've lived together for

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Speaker 2: was doing laundry as usual, as usual, and I opened

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Speaker 2: his underwear drawer and sitting right on top was a

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Speaker 2: pair of Ladies undergarments that are clearly not mine.

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Speaker 1: What color are they.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing like like a light pink with like.

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Speaker 1: Little frills, light pink with frills. If only, if only

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Speaker 1: OP had given us ay, I want, I want descriptions

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Speaker 1: of all right now, now that sounds weird, guys from

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Speaker 1: a story guys, alright, get all the details for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, little do you, guys know that we've been through

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Speaker 2: actually extensive like vocal podcast training to very deeply describe things. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this is why we chill coach.

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Speaker 1: We are professionals and we give you professional stories exactly.

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Speaker 2: But back to the story, Op, He says, I clearly

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Speaker 2: knew they weren't mine because they were extra small, which

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Speaker 2: and things were going really well in our relationship, and

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Speaker 2: I have no reason to think that he's cheating. We

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Speaker 3: At first, what they were gonna be like, it's a spatula, No,

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Speaker 1: What is this object? Or actually know it's the reverse? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: At first, he lied and said that he didn't know.

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Speaker 1: That makes it very suspicious.

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Speaker 1: Right, why you washing some panties? Man?

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Speaker 2: Now the other thing is it's in our shared guest

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Speaker 1: Oh so it could be the roommate could be Okay.

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Speaker 2: I pressed that they are not mine, and he admitted

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait wait I was not ready for that,

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Speaker 1: tird Yeah yeah yeah wait? So does he know? Does

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Speaker 1: she know her man's has this this U sniffing fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Only only now this is the first time.

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Speaker 1: Oh what a way to find out, like truly true, dude,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. I well, not

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Speaker 1: and I was doing research, right, well, there are these

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Speaker 2: Wow yeah. Because I I don't know where, I was

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Speaker 2: No, no, no all leather. Oh wow, there you go. AnyWho, So,

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Speaker 2: you know, we've discovered the op has this undergarment sniffing

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, like like I feel like you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing, is like, why has he

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Speaker 1: Apparently, so this is actually really interesting. So they did

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Speaker 1: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's just such a.

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Speaker 1: Funny where it's like combatibit.

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Speaker 2: So they were basically there were some women that liked

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Speaker 2: That's basically what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I mean, like it's a little bit weird.

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Speaker 1: So so my girlfriend will literally steal my shirts that I've

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Speaker 2: One up you. My girlfriend actually does like my bo So.

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Speaker 1: Now I yeah, I see, it's the thing I'm always like.

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Speaker 1: It happened.

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Speaker 2: Shocks me.

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Speaker 1: It happens. It's a thing, bro Wellet.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to Op's ordeal, it gets a little more

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Speaker 1: It's a mystery.

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Speaker 2: It's a mystery. So OPI contacted her old roommate twenty

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Speaker 2: They aren't hers either, and I confirmed with my roommate

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Speaker 2: What if that's what it is. It's just that the

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he saw it and kept it around for

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Speaker 2: told a few people because it really is just underwear sniffing,

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Speaker 2: Like it's not that intense in op's perspective, and I

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Speaker 1: But I think it's still plausible. But I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 1: my parents or sisters underware. This is so good.

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Speaker 2: That is a good theory that have the parents visited,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot. There's a lot that could

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Speaker 1: be going on there. I wouldn't say he's cheating. I

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess against that. A couple of my friends disagree.

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Speaker 2: They do think that he could be going out cheating.

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Speaker 2: I want so badly to just let it go, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know whose underwear it is, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Op's boyfriend because I don't know, like how how how

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Speaker 1: If he's just ordering it from the internet.

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Speaker 2: That is also possible. But then why did why didn't

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Speaker 1: Because that would embarrassed about the about the situation.

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Speaker 2: It's possible, but he admitted to it, you know.

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Speaker 2: But if it truly is just an underwear sniffing, that's

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Speaker 2: not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sniff some underwear. I have a few laughs, It's fine.

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