1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: Greg Olsen, he's a Fox analyst, three time pro bowler 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: joining us on the program. What was your best salary 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: in the NFL? 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 3: Say, towards the end of my career, I probably was 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: making seven million, and now the best tight ends in 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: the league are making sixteen. 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: Did you ever participate in negotiations, be in the room 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: when they're discussing your contract. 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 4: No. 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: No, My agent, Drew Rosenhause. I had him since I 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: came out of Miami. He handled all negotiations. I mean, 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: I was up to speed. He would call me and 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: debrief me in pretty good detail along the you know, 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: along what was said and what the conversations in the 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: back and forth. 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 5: But no, I never participated directly. 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: I tried to stay out of that and just let 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: him handle kind of being the go between between myself 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: and the organization. 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Why is Jerry Jones allowed to negotiate with Michaeh Parsons 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: individually when I think the CBA says, your agent has 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 2: to be in there to, you know, negotiate. 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: That's a great question, and I thought all along that 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: was a very interesting part of the conversation. I know 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: you guys now are bringing it up and discussing it. 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know the exact reasons. I don't 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 3: know the exact legalities of what's in the CBA by writing. 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: But my understanding was always players can represent themselves. There's 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: multiple players throughout the league for a long time that 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: have negotiated their own contracts because they don't have a 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: registered contract agent on file with the NFLPA or you 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 3: know all that. So in that regard, you would work 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 3: directly with the general manager of the front office to 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: negotiate on your own behalf. But my understanding was if 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: you had representation and that was filed with the with 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: the PA and all that, that they should be the 39 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: go between. So I'm not sure the exact specifics, but 40 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: I think it's a great question. I just think it 41 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: adds to what we're seeing now. It leads to this, 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: This is why players have agents. And I know three 43 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: is kicked around and that's being now negotiated to a 44 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: lower number for a lot of young players, and I 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: get it, but this is why you pay the money 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: to keep the personal animosity out of the way between you. 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 5: These contracts get tough. 48 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: Whether you're Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen or Micah Parsons 49 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: or a guy further down the roster. The team is 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: going to use every bit of leverage they had. They're 51 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: gonna tell your agent or in this case, yourself, reasons 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: why you shouldn't make what you want, and then you're 53 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: going to try to counter that, and it's gonna get testy. 54 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: It's inevitable nature of negotiations, and that's why having that 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: buffer in between keeps things from getting personal like we're 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: seeing here in Dallas. 57 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: More concerning, let's take Michael Parsons out of the equation, 58 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: because I do think that deal will get done. The 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson with the Bengals or Terry McLaurin, which one 60 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: is more damaging to that team's potential success this season? Man, 61 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: that's a great question. 62 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: I would say Hendrickson up in Cincinnati, just because we 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: know how much conver station that has surrounded the Bengals defense. 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: They fired the DC, they hire. 65 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: Al Golden, you know, the longtime college DC from Penn State, 66 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: who was most recently at Penn State, I mean a 67 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: Notre dame. I guess my question is can that defense 68 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: be they weren't very good to begin with last year, 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow had an unbelievable season, and they still 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: fell short of expectations. With the whole emphasis in the 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: offseason for them getting back into the likes of the 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: Bills and the Ravens and the Chiefs to get themselves 73 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: back in the AFC to that echelon with Joe Burrow. 74 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: They can't do it without the defense getting better. And 75 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: now you take away the sack leader, you take away 76 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: your best defensive player. Can you assume that you're going 77 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: to be back in Super Bowl contention to compliment one 78 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: of the best offenses in football? So I would say 79 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: for them, this is a significant storyline. And if they 80 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: can't figure it out what was already a weakness, now 81 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: you take away your best player, you have to assume 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: it's even worse. 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: Help me understand why Anthony Richardson would be the bust 84 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: and not the Colts general manager Chris Ballard because Anthony 85 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: Richardson didn't take himself at four overall the Colts did. 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 2: They took a project that high. Who wasn't he had 87 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: glimpses in college. But you start in week one like 88 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to under and the kid is twenty 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: three years of age, and it feels like the NFL 90 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: will move on from him. 91 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll again, this is not an indictment of 92 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. I don't know the kid that well. I 93 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: don't know the ins and outs behind the scenes there. 94 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: But I will say this in credit to Chris Ballard. 95 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: I think the best guys in the NFL, whether it's coaches, 96 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: front office, personnel, general managers, when you know you've made 97 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: a mistake, I think the teams that continue to double down, 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: double down and prolong this experiment end up finding themselves 99 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: out of work. I think the best organizations understand, you 100 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: know what, this was a miss and now this is 101 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: a big one. Right you take a top five quarterback, 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: it's set your franchise back multiple years. But if you 103 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: continue to push it down the road and said it's 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: gonna change, it's gonna change. And I can't admit failure. 105 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: I can't admit that I was wrong. Typically that blows 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: up the entire organization. And there's another general manager there, 107 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: so I do give him a little bit credit. It's 108 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: behind the scenes him and Shane steich In are saying, 109 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: you know what, we missed. He's not the guy. Daniel 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: Jones gives us a better chance to win. I almost 111 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: think that's the more difficult decision, and one that they 112 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: if it was even close, Anthony Richardson, just because of 113 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: his draft pedigree, would be the Week one starter. So 114 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: I think we see this all the time in free agency. 115 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: The Eagles just won the Super Bowl and huffed their 116 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: big free agents. Signing from the Jets, they paid a 117 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 3: bazillion dollars, he didn't play down the stretch, and guess 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: what this year they shipped him off for pennies on 119 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: the dollar to another organization. And Howie Roseman said, you 120 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: know what, I missed on that one, But we're gonna 121 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: move on. So it's different when it's the quarterback. But 122 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: the good organizations admit defeat, They admit when they were wrong, 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: and you got to move on. 124 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: I think that's really a great point and I had 125 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: not thought of that, and maybe that's what the Colts 126 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: are doing that. Yes, we saw two years and he's 127 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: not our guy. Now maybe you can trade him to somebody, 128 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: and maybe he could. We're you know, we're seeing this 129 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: cycle now far more than we used to two years, 130 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: maybe three years didn't work out. Now you go, you're 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: going to be a backup, and it's like almost the 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith. You know, well, we'll 133 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: bring you back around. Maybe it's a better coaching staff, 134 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: maybe it's a better team, and maybe Anthony Richardson still 135 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: has a future. We're talking to Greg Olsen, Fox NFL 136 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: analyst and you can tune in to Youth Inc. And 137 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: Greg has a weekly podcast. He had Tom Brady on, 138 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: Malcolm Gladwell on, and you're talking about sports and parenting 139 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: and the next generation of athletes. How'd you come up 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: with this idea? 141 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's actually been a really a really fun 142 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: project for us. You know, I'm a dad of three. 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: I'm the son of a high school football coach from 144 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: New Jersey, legendary coach out of the Northeast, coached over 145 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: forty years, coach me and my brother. So I grew 146 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: up in this world. Like when I was a young kid, 147 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: the highlight of our life was playing varsity football one 148 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: day for my dad. Fortunately I was able to go 149 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: on and make a career out of it. But now 150 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: as a father raising three young kids in a very 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: different youth sports culture, than any of us, remember, and 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: any of us really grew up in and there was 153 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: a lot of things that we were doing wrong, a 154 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: lot of things that I didn't have a great idea 155 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: of what the right path forward was for my sons 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: and my daughter. And we said, you know what, there's 157 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: a lot of really interesting people out there that have 158 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: great perspectives and great lessons to be shared, and let's 159 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: go find those people. So we've had a lot of 160 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: really cool conversations our latest season that we just dropped. 161 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned Tom Brady. We had Malcolm Gladwell 162 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: this year. This week and next week we'll have Ryan 163 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: Day coming off the National champions getting ready for that 164 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: big Texas game, and CJ. Stroud and just some really 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: fun and really insightful people that have really good experiences 166 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: that can be great for parents, coaches, young athletes, people 167 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: dealing with different adversities. We think it can really help 168 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: a lot of people. And along the way, as the 169 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: host quote unquote, I'm learning more than anyone and trying 170 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: to implement a lot of these values and lessons into 171 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: my own youth coaching and also into just my parenting. 172 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: It's a youth inc I n C. And it's a 173 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: weekly podcast. I was curious about this when we were 174 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: going to have you on of how much of your 175 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: job now as a broadcaster for Fox is your football 176 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: knowledge and how much of it is the ability to 177 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: understand TV. Well. 178 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: I think it's a great question because I joke with 179 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: my producer and director all the time, like the football 180 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: part I always felt pretty good about. You know, the 181 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: football part, I felt like I always understood and I 182 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: saw and I really enjoy talking the game and formulating 183 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: different storylines to present to the viewer and letting them 184 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: kind of unravel in real time during the broadcast. The 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: TV part is the part I think all of us 186 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: have to learn, right. You have to learn how to 187 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: go in and out of commercial breaks. You have to 188 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: learn how to talk to the truck. 189 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: You know. 190 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: I always joke like, still to this point day, when 191 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: I want it behind the defense, you know the fancy 192 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: TV people call it. You know, I want the pit, 193 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: you know, I want pit framing. I'm like, I just 194 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: want behind the defense, whatever that is called. 195 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: Give me that. 196 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: So I'm still learning some of the nuance, the terminology 197 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: where all the cameras are, and I've gotten a lot 198 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: better now. Going into my fifth year. But it's it's 199 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: very interesting. The football part. I feel like that's that's 200 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: the easy part, making that fit into a three hour 201 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: live broadcast, talk in segments, talking soundbites, not talking over 202 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: your play by play, commercial breaks, ad reads. Fortunately, I've 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: had great partners. I got Joe Davis now, who's incredible, 204 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: Kevin Burkhart before that, they handle all the TV and 205 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: I tell him I'll just do the football part. 206 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 5: So I've been lucky in that regard. 207 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: Well, you're on a play clock too, though, when you 208 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: think about it, that you might have twelve seconds to 209 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: describe something and then you got to turn it over 210 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: to your play by play guy so he can do 211 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: his job. And this is where Jim nance is unbelievable 212 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: because Tony Romo. Tony will kind of color outside the 213 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: line sometime and all of a sudden, you know, Jim's 214 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: got to grab it at the last second and you know, 215 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: go third and eight. You know. So I understand the 216 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: timing part of it, But so many guys that came 217 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: through ESPN. These are legendary coaches and players, and I said, 218 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: you got to understand TV, and even Rodney Harrison and 219 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Tony Dungee on football night in America. I said, you 220 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: guys are rookies. You know nothing about TV. Listen to 221 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: me and you'll do fine. You know football, But that's 222 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: only part of the equation. They'd look at you, go you. 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 5: Just talk, I go no. 224 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: If if somebody in your ear goes, hey, you got 225 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: twenty seconds to what twenty seconds is in real time? 226 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: Playing a game? You do twenty seconds in TV You're like, uh, 227 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how long? How long am I going? 228 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: You went forty two seconds? 229 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: I did it? 230 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: No, And you're spot on, And the voice in your 231 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: ear is an adjustment early on in my career. The 232 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: natural instinct of anybody is when someone says something to 233 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 3: you while you're talking, you stop and you want to listen. 234 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 5: Well, obviously you sound silly on live television. 235 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 3: If you do that. To your point about play by 236 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: play guys, there's no such thing as a good color 237 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: analyst without a good play by play guy. They are 238 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 3: the heroes of all of this. They are the professionals 239 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: quote unquote, like they keep this train on the tracks 240 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: running and give you the space and the breath and 241 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: the leads to then talk about the things that they 242 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: really know you're interested in or you feel good about, 243 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: and you want to take the broadcast. So it is 244 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: more of a dance. It is a rhythm. It's ever changing. 245 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: Every game has a different cadence. There's games that have 246 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: a million penalties, million commercial breaks and a million injuries. 247 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: Those get super choppy, and then there's the dream games, 248 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: which every play is a long, fluid drive. There's multiple 249 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: first downs in every possession. You can really let some 250 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: of these storylines unravel. You don't feel like you have 251 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: to force it in because it's a three and out 252 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: punt commercial. So again, it's it's a part of the 253 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: The part of the experience that I've enjoyed the most 254 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: is the unpredictability of it, where you don't you have 255 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: a basic idea of the matchup. You have a basic 256 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: idea of the flow of the game, but then once 257 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: it's kicked off, no different than a player, nobody can 258 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: sit there and say, I know exactly how this game 259 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: is going to go, and I'm going to talk about X, 260 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: Y and Z in that order. Chances are that's going 261 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: to be thrown upside down, and then you have to 262 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: adjust on the fly and make it sound fun and interesting. 263 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: I had a couple of rapid fire questions before we 264 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: let you go. Who feels more hall of fate? Who 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: feels more hall of faming? Matthew Stafford or Russell Wilson. 266 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: Wow, that's a great question. 267 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: Kind of interesting career arcs, right, Like Russell started out 268 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: so hot and now down the stretch trying to find 269 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: his way. Stafford obviously started in a perennially terrible organ team, 270 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: got them a little bit better, and then has had 271 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: his success later. Oh man, I think creatures of the 272 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: moment Stafford. It feels like because just because the last 273 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: memories we have of his teams have been more relevant 274 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: as of recent Russ. For as amazing as Russ has 275 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: been a lot of you know, his success came. That's 276 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: a really good question. But I think if you put 277 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: a gun to my head, just recency bias would be Stafford. 278 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: But I would probably make the argument that they both 279 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: are deserving. 280 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: If I take the names off the resumes, it's a 281 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: no brainer. It's Russell Wilson. 282 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 283 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 5: Interesting, that's what I like. 284 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Pro Bowls, I think it's recency bias, which 285 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: was kind of my initial instinct with Stafford. In my mind, 286 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: there's no question that Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer. 287 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: I think everyone's going to try to use the last 288 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: couple of years of kind of bouncing finding a home, 289 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: but they forget just how dominant he was. I know 290 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: Seattle was incredible, I know the defense, but that shouldn't 291 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 3: be taken away. In my mind, Russell is a Hall 292 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: of Famer. The way you pose the question you posed 293 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: was such a good one. I think the recency success 294 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: of the Rams, the Super Bowl, and Stafford Post Detroit, 295 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: I can see that being the argument. 296 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: Is Cam Newton a Hall of Famer? 297 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 298 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: In my mind he is, and I think you have 299 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: to look past I don't know where. I have no 300 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: idea where he stands in total yards passing and total touchdowns. 301 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: I don't know statistically, which I know is a big 302 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: part of that process. When you talk about changing the 303 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: way the game is played, quarterbacks running the ball on 304 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: short yardage, quarterbacks playing you know, down near the goal line, 305 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: ability to still be a four thousand yard passer from 306 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: the pocket. When he came into the league, there was 307 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: very few, if any guys playing the quarterback position the 308 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: way he played it, and now there's almost no pocket 309 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: passers left. There's you Burrow, there's a couple. But the 310 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: game is played on the move. The game is played athletically. 311 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: It both in and out of the pocket. And Cam 312 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: was at the front end of a lot of that. 313 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: Great stuff. Great to talk to you. I hope you 314 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: have a great season coming up. We'll check in with 315 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: you and the podcast. It's a weekly podcast. It's entitled 316 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: Youth Inc. With Greg Olsen. Next guest will be Ryan Day. CJ. 317 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: Stroud is also on the guest list, and he's already 318 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,359 Speaker 2: had podcast tape with Tom Brady and the author Malcolm Gladwell. 319 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: Thanks again, Greg Great Svennell, Thanks man. 320 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 321 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 322 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search sr to 323 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: listen live. 324 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: Mark Pryor, God, you're pitching coach since twenty eighteen and 325 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: back on the program. Been a while. How are you. 326 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 6: I'm doing well, it has been a while. Thanks for 327 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 6: having me. 328 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: What is your job during a game as pitching coach? 329 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 7: Well, I mean yeah, I mean basically, obviously I'm watching 330 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 7: the game and then you know, tracking pitches, talking with 331 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 7: the pitcher in between innings, talking with the catcher in 332 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 7: between innings, seen talking and trying to. 333 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 6: Figure out like what's working, what's not working? 334 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 7: You know, do we have an idea what they're trying 335 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 7: to do from an offensive approach with our pitcher, and 336 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 7: then maybe you know, starting a game plan, you know, 337 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 7: what's going on? What do we want to do the 338 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 7: next time through? Like who's coming up? How do we 339 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 7: want to attack them? Do we want to you know, 340 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 7: do we kind of want to stay with the plan 341 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 7: before the game? Do we want to you know, do 342 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 7: something different and audible change some things up. And so 343 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 7: those are kind of a lot of the in game 344 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 7: conversations with your pitcher and with the catcher. 345 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 6: And then as a game gets going on, and. 346 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 7: Say your starter starts getting towards the end, and the 347 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 7: conversations with you know what doc start happening. 348 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 6: We start kind of going over like how do we 349 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 6: want to. 350 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 7: Approach you know, the end of the game, the end 351 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 7: of the starter's run, you know, do we need to 352 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 7: get them out of the middle of an inning? If 353 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 7: he finishes an inning, how do we how do we 354 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 7: set up our bullpen going forward? Hopefully we got the 355 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 7: lead and we've talked before the game, you know, myself, 356 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 7: doc or bench coach or bullpen coaches, you know who's. 357 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 6: Available, who do we feel good about throwing? 358 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 7: And so those A lot of it's just an ongoing 359 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 7: conversation as the game evolves, and and and honestly what 360 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 7: the game is telling us, what do we need in 361 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 7: that moment, and just making sure that we're prepared, uh, 362 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 7: to make decisions because it happens fast. 363 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 6: Once once your starter's out, it happens fast. 364 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: How much of your job is to be a therapist? 365 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 6: Uh, there's a there's a good percentage of it. 366 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 7: Some nights it's uh, it's small, and then other nights, 367 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 7: I think it can it can be a lot. And 368 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 7: you're just trying to you know, there's so much preparation 369 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 7: that these guys do on a get excuse me, on 370 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 7: a given day, and they're always getting their bodies ready. 371 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 7: They're always studying and making sure they're prepared. But as 372 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 7: you know, you you've covered sports, like you know, there's 373 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 7: no script. Once you get Once the game starts, things happen, 374 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 7: and it's getting guys to find a way to win 375 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 7: ball games and find ways to get outs. Uh, And 376 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 7: sometimes it's ugly, and and when it's ugly, obviously guys 377 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 7: and as athletes, you you want to be perfectionists. You know, 378 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 7: we want things to go the way that we envision 379 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 7: them to go, and and sometimes that doesn't happen, and 380 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 7: we have to be okay with that at times. And 381 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 7: you're just trying to get them to understand, like the job, 382 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 7: what was your job? 383 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 6: Did you do your job? 384 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: Uh? 385 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 7: And then let's pick up the pieces and move forward 386 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 7: the next day. And you know, a lot of the 387 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 7: game is mental and emotional. These guys are really unbelievable 388 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 7: elead athletes, but so much of it comes down to 389 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 7: how can you maintain maintain your emotions in the moment 390 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 7: and how can you just continue to try to execute 391 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 7: pitches to get the other hitter out. 392 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: How many of your players, your pitchers know your resume. 393 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 7: I want to say, given that their cell phones were 394 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 7: always at hand, I want to say, there's at least 395 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 7: they've googled me at some point. Certain key facts do 396 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 7: do come up where they are surprised we. 397 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: Will come up first, but that they would bring up to. 398 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 7: You usually it's it's the infamous game in two thousand 399 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 7: and three, that'll maybe be on in the clubhouse and 400 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 7: then all of a sudden they'll kind of put two 401 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 7: and two together of oh, you were the guy on 402 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 7: the mound. You didn't you know? We didn't know that. 403 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 7: So that's always the surprise one where you're kind of like, yeah, 404 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 7: that's me. 405 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 6: That was twenty some years ago. 406 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: So but what do you remember about that? When you 407 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: bring up the Bartman game? 408 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 4: You don't bring it up. 409 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 6: I don't bring it up TV. 410 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: You you brought up that. They brought it up right 411 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: right now. I can follow up by saying, when I 412 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: say that game and you're on the mound and you 413 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: see that foul ball going over, what do you think? 414 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 7: You know, just like darn it? I wish I wish 415 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 7: we caught it. And uh, Marlins had a good team, 416 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 7: they had a good run. So I you know, it's 417 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 7: it's been so long ago that any you know, I mean, 418 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 7: it was obviously a game. I still feel you really 419 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 7: think you said darn it. No, I didn't say darn words, 420 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 7: but I don't, you know, I think I pointed and. 421 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 6: Said some things, and you. 422 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 7: Know, I mean, look, it comes up every day in 423 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 7: the games. I mean it came up in the Giants 424 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 7: Padrey game yesterday. You know, it's still hows and it looks. 425 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 7: It's it's the beauty of baseball that all these things 426 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 7: can but through the course of time of this game 427 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 7: and how many games have been played, that plays like 428 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 7: that still happen. And that's why it's great. It's it's 429 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 7: played by humans. There's there's a lot of great things 430 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 7: that happen. There's crazy plays that happen every night in 431 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 7: the game, and so I think that's what makes people 432 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 7: love the game because every single night you show up, 433 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 7: things are you know, things happen as you don't expect, 434 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 7: and then things that you think shouldn't happen because everybody's 435 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 7: seen it happen before and you know you shouldn't do 436 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 7: it, it happens again. So it's it's the beauty of the game. 437 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 7: It's it's what what pete draws people to it. It's 438 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 7: what people love about it. But it's also what can 439 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 7: be maddening at time, depending on which side of the 440 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 7: fan base you're on. 441 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: I'm talking to Mark Prior, Dodgers pitching coach since twenty eighteen, 442 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: Dodgers at the Rockies tonight at eight forty Eastern Who 443 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: does Otani remind you of Wise. 444 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 7: Well, nobody, because nobody, uh, nobody hits as much as 445 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 7: well as he does as a pitcher. Though I did 446 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 7: see a stat the other day that Freddy Jenkins had 447 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 7: I think thirteen homers as a cup, so I guess 448 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 7: he had some had some good power numbers. 449 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 6: But uh, just. 450 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: His pitching style, who is. 451 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 7: You know, it's a little bit, Uh, it's got a 452 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 7: little bit of Nolan in him, like where he's just 453 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 7: gonna you know, and I know I'm dating myself, but 454 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 7: I grew up watching Nolan and at the tail end 455 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 7: of his career, and you know, like he if he 456 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 7: wants to just rear back and blow it by you, like, 457 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 7: he's going to do it. And I think we've seen 458 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 7: that where obviously he has a very good and a 459 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 7: very nasty sweeper, but if he wants it, he's going 460 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 7: to get a hundred and he's gonna throw a rye 461 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 7: past you. And uh, I think the the bat and 462 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 7: he hit an a bat in Kansas City. I think 463 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 7: it was like a second or third outing, you know. 464 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 7: And he's been kind of in the mid nineties and 465 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you know, guy comes up and 466 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 7: he's like, here you go, here's three hundred mile an 467 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 7: hour pitches, and so, uh, you know, you don't. We 468 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 7: have a lot of guys who throw extremely hard in 469 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 7: this league, and so the velocity is not nothing or 470 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 7: it isn't isn't as exciting and unexpected, I guess is 471 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 7: a better way to say that it used to be. 472 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 7: But all of a sudden, this dude just out of 473 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 7: nowhere as one hundred hundred and one hundred and two. 474 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 7: And so that reminds me of watching Nolan when I 475 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 7: was a kid, where it was just like, all right, 476 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 7: I know he knows I'm throwing a fastball, and here 477 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 7: it is, and see what you can do with it. 478 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 6: Uh, And that's pretty cool. 479 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 7: I mean it's it's still as a as a coach, 480 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 7: it's one thing, but it's really really as a fan 481 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 7: to watch him do what he does is pretty awesome. 482 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: How would you pitch to Tani? 483 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 6: Uh? 484 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 7: Well, as a pitching coach, we tried unsuccessfully at times, 485 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 7: you know. I mean, look, I was a two pitch pitcher, 486 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 7: so you know, it's trying to move my fastball around 487 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 7: and throw my breaking ball and try to change the 488 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 7: shape and uh, you know, I try to go you know, 489 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 7: up and in and slow him down, down and away, and. 490 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 6: You know, maybe just trying to use all four quadrants. 491 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 7: I mean, he's he's when he's any, when he's in 492 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 7: a groove, there's no pitch that he can't cover. 493 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 6: And I think that's what makes him special. 494 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 7: You can throw it one hundred miles an hour up 495 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 7: and away and he'll go backside left field home or 496 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 7: twenty rows deep. 497 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: You can go down and in at one hundred he'll 498 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 6: pull a ball. 499 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 7: He'll take off speed, you know, with ass out like 500 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 7: he did the other day, completely like lost his entire body, 501 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 7: and he still hits it one hundred and five. 502 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 6: Uh, and it gets over the fence. 503 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 7: So you hope that you catch if you're an opposing pitcher, 504 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 7: you hope that you catch him when he's in when 505 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 7: he swings a little bit off. But right now it 506 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 7: looks like he's starting to get his swing going again, 507 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: and he's doing some pretty incredible things. And and just 508 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 7: the way he impacts the baseball. He that's the crazy 509 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 7: thing is watching other big leaguers in the dugout marble 510 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 7: about how hard he hits the ball. 511 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: And that's that's the thing that is just like jaw dropping. 512 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 7: It's not that it's the power and the average, it's 513 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 7: this guy's out. 514 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: You know. 515 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 7: It seems like he's averaging one hundred and ten off 516 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 7: the bat every single time. And guys are like big 517 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 7: lead guys are extremely like in awe watching how hard 518 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 7: he hits the ball, even if it's an out. It's 519 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 7: it's insane. 520 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remarked or marveled at that a couple of 521 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: years ago. If I'm just listening to guys hit, there 522 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: are certain guys when you hear him hit, that's different 523 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: than everybody else. And he's one of those guys. Anybody 524 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 2: else come to mind that when you hear that ball 525 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: off the bat, you know. 526 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I mean there's a couple of years 527 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 7: ago Ronald Laconia hit a ball. 528 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 6: I forget. 529 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 7: It was like either like one seventeen or one nineteen 530 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 7: or something. You hit a ball at Dodger Stadium and 531 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 7: it just sounded like a shotgun. It was a home 532 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 7: or a dead center. And he can impact the baseball 533 00:25:54,280 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 7: extremely hard. You know, Freddy, you know, you know Freddy. 534 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 7: He can move some balls forward all over the field. 535 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 7: But when he impacts the baseball at times, it comes 536 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 7: off really hot. 537 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 6: I'm trying to think, uh, you. 538 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 7: Know, Machado Tatis, but Judge is another guy too when 539 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 7: he when he connects Stanton, those guys are they impact 540 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 7: the baseball extremely hard. And I'm sure there was guys 541 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 7: when I played who hit the ball just as hard 542 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 7: as they did, but it sure doesn't. You know, we 543 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 7: didn't have the numbers to quantify it as much. But 544 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 7: these guys, a lot of a lot of players nowadays 545 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 7: are really impacting the baseball. 546 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 6: And you know, it's scary out there. 547 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 7: You're only sixty feet away, so I mean, it's it's 548 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 7: a little dangerous at times. 549 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: Can you see a scenario in the postseason where Otani 550 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: comes in in relief. 551 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 6: It's a good question, very fair question. 552 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 7: We've it's been discussed, and it's really understanding kind of 553 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 7: the rules of him coming in as a reliever and 554 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 7: knowing that because of. 555 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 6: The world it's set up right now, as a starter. 556 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 7: He can come out of the game and still maintain 557 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 7: as a DH, but he comes in as a reliever. 558 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 7: You got to find that line and where hopefully the 559 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 7: game is because you can't put him in in sixth 560 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 7: and then take him out as a pitcher in seventh 561 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 7: and keep him in as a DH. So it would 562 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 7: have to be a situation where it was probably we 563 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 7: think the game's over and he's closing or be okay 564 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 7: with him not coming, not hitting anymore. 565 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 6: So that would be really the only scenario. Can I 566 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 6: see it? 567 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 7: Absolutely, But it would probably be closer to the back 568 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 7: end when the game's you know, kind of on the line, 569 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 7: and it would be over after he's done. 570 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you again, Thanks for joining us. 571 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 6: Mark anytime. I appreciate it. Thank you. 572 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 2: It's Mark Pryor. 573 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 574 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 575 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 576 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 8: He's Mike Carmen. 577 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: I'm Dan Byern. 578 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 8: We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I 579 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 8: Want Your Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, 580 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 8: we come up with new episodes to not only look 581 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 8: back at what happened, what you need to do at 582 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 8: that minute, and also look ahead of what's coming up 583 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 8: in the fantasy football world. 584 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: That's right, Dan. 585 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 9: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find 586 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 9: the pickups to turbot boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts, 587 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 9: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate 588 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 9: the competition. 589 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 8: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmon and 590 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 8: me Dan Beyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and 591 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 8: wherever you get your podcasts. 592 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: Let's bring in Ross Tucker, host of the Ross Hooker 593 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: Football podcast, and he called the Browns Eagles game last Saturday. 594 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: He's got the Eagles at the Jets on Friday night. 595 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: Hi Ross, how are you? 596 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 6: Dan? 597 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 4: I'm fantastic. I think I have better reception than that guy. 598 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: I think I'm ready to go. 599 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: Most interesting team in the NFL is who. 600 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 10: Who. There's a bunch of different ways I could go 601 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 10: with that one, you know, I think I'm gonna go 602 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 10: with I'm gonna go with the team I just saw 603 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 10: on Saturday, the Cleveland Browns. 604 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by them. I said this today on the 605 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: Ross Tucker Football Podcast. 606 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 10: Dan, I think there's a real possibility, probably unlikely, but 607 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 10: there's a possibility that they become the first team in 608 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 10: NFL history to have four different quarterbacks start at least 609 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 10: four games. 610 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: Now, hear me out on this okay. 611 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 10: First of all, when they made the trade with the Jaguars, 612 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 10: the Travis Hunter trade to move down pick up next 613 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 10: year's first round pick. 614 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: That's a loud signal. 615 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 10: To everybody that we're looking at this over the next 616 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 10: few years. 617 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 4: We're not all going to try to win this year, etc. 618 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 4: So we all get that. I understand why they're starting 619 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 4: to flock over at the start of the year. They 620 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: have a tough schedule. 621 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 10: They can sell the vets that we went to the 622 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 10: playoffs a couple of years ago with him, he gives 623 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 10: us the best chance to win. 624 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: But they traded for Kenny Pickett for a reason. 625 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 10: And I think deep down Stefanski thinks that maybe Kenny 626 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 10: Pickett could be his Sam Darnold, his Baker Mayfield. I 627 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 10: mean now that one of those guys started to really 628 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 10: click until they were on their fourth team. This is 629 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 10: Kenny's third team, and I think in Stefanski's offense, I 630 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 10: believe he thinks he can get Kenny Pickett to play 631 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 10: at a pretty high level. I'm not sure I really 632 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 10: believe that Kenny can do that. But then they also 633 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 10: drafted a couple of rookies and that's been well documented 634 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 10: Dylan Gabriel in the third round. They obviously like Shdoor 635 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 10: Sanders only played one preseason game in the fifth round, 636 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 10: but he played well. 637 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 4: People want to see what he has. 638 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 10: So I think there's a reasonable scenario where Flacco starts. 639 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 10: The first is called three or four, they're zero to three, 640 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 10: one and three whatever. They put picket in to see 641 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 10: how he looks, take him for a spin, and then 642 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 10: they want to try to find out about both Gabriel 643 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 10: and Shor Sanders. Maybe they hit on one of those guys, 644 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 10: maybe one of them looks like a very good, inexpensive backup, 645 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 10: but they kind of need to find out about both 646 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 10: those guys before next year's first round, where they have 647 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 10: two first round picks, they might both be in the 648 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 10: top ten. They're highly likely if they didn't hit on 649 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 10: any of these guys, to get a franchise quarterback or 650 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 10: try to in the top ten next year. So the 651 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 10: Browns might set a very interesting record in terms of 652 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 10: the number of quarterbacks to start multiple games in the season. 653 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: I always look or like to look at coaching staffs 654 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: to see what decisions they make with their quarterbacks, like 655 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: the Giants with Brian Dable Jackson dark to me makes 656 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: more sense. I don't think they're going to be that 657 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: good of a team. But these you know, this coach 658 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: wants to keep his job with a very difficult schedule, 659 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: the Colt situation, Shane Steikin wants to keep his job, 660 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: the Browns situation, that coach wants to keep his job 661 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: as well. And as a result, you got Russell Wilson, 662 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, and then you're gonna have Joe Flacco. I 663 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: don't think it's a surprise that they're going with somebody 664 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: who's a little more proven and they can't really roll 665 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: the dice on somebody younger. 666 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, and here's what's interesting. 667 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 10: I tend to think, by the way, that the Browns 668 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 10: will probably give Stefanski and the GM Andrew. 669 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 4: Berry another year. Otherwise, why would those guys. 670 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 10: Have made that trade that they made unless Dan they 671 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 10: think that making that trade helps them get another year, right, 672 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 10: Like maybe it's the chicken in the egg thing. The 673 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 10: coach thing, to me is like the perfect example, okay 674 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 10: of the dichotomy between fans, media, and to some extent 675 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 10: even some scouts in front office executives versus coach. I 676 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 10: have seen this as long as I've been around the NFL. Right, fans, media, 677 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 10: some front office executives, they love upside, they love physical traits, 678 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 10: they love potential, they love guys like Anthony Richardson right. 679 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 4: Meanwhile, coaches, you know what they love. 680 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 10: They love guys that they can trust, that are able 681 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 10: to execute the concepts that they're given and that the 682 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 10: plays that are called. Guys that obviously are consistent. That's 683 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 10: what coaches value. 684 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 5: You know. 685 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 4: I know this, Dan. 686 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 10: Multiple times in my career, I was told by an 687 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 10: assistant coach, Hey, the front office hates you like or 688 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 10: this guy hates you, but the coach is always like, 689 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 10: I was never the high upside guy. I was never 690 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 10: the traits guy. I was never someone that you get excited. 691 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 10: Oh yes, Ross Tucker and his short arms and average 692 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 10: athleticsism starting like nobody ever felt that way. But the 693 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 10: coaches they knew. I wasn't gonna be the reason why 694 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 10: we lost. I was gonna do the right thing every 695 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 10: time they could trust me. I was gonna play as 696 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 10: hard as I possibly can. I was consistent, and ultimately, 697 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 10: coaches have to win. It's year three for Shane Steichen. 698 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 10: He needs to win this year. If he thought that 699 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 10: Anthony Richardson would help them win more games this year, 700 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 10: I can assure you he would be starting. 701 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 4: He doesn't now remember this too, Dan, People lose sight 702 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 4: of this. 703 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 10: You know, when the announcements made yesterday, I called that 704 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 10: coach Titans game for CBS last year late in the season. 705 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 10: It had been a week or two earlier that several 706 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 10: of the veterans had sat down with Anthony Richardson to 707 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 10: go over with him what the standard should be and 708 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 10: what their expectation. 709 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 4: This is more than halfway through his second year. 710 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 10: To Forrest Buckner and Quentin Nelson, those guys, this is 711 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 10: out there, it's public. 712 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: They had to sit down and say, like, listen and 713 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 4: walk throughs. 714 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 10: You need to be like this, you know, after practice, 715 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 10: you need to do stuff like this. 716 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 4: You know. 717 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 10: Unfortunately, he's a really gifted, talented, but young, immature kid 718 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 10: who has gotten hurt a bunch doesn't really understand what 719 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 10: it means they be professional. 720 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 4: I don't know if he knows that now or not. 721 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 10: But Shane Siken not waiting around to find out right, 722 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 10: Like Shane Sikeen's like, you know what, Daniel Jones, he 723 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 10: can win. 724 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 4: I saw with the Giants and my system. He'll win. 725 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: He'll do what I ask of him. He's a pro. 726 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 10: I'm attaching my life, my family's livelihood, my kids, where 727 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 10: I'm going to live next year. I'm going to put 728 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 10: more faith in trust in Daniel Jones that he'll give 729 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 10: me a better chance to stay living in Indianapolis, Indiana 730 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 10: next year than Richardson. 731 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: Talking to Ron Stucker the Ron Tucker Football Podcast, and 732 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 2: he had Browns Eagles last Saturday. He's got the Eagles 733 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: hit the Jets coming up on Friday night. Would you 734 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 2: rather have the career of Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers. 735 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 10: Joe Flacco, Yeah, now listen, Philip Rivers, I think is 736 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 10: a better player. 737 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 4: I think Philip Rivers has. 738 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 10: A better chance, maybe a really good chance to be 739 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 10: a Hall of Famer. But in my first of all, 740 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 10: Philip Rivers never got to play in a Super Bowl, right, 741 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 10: so forget even winning it. You either have experience playing 742 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 10: in the Super Bowl or you haven't. 743 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 4: I haven't. I've talked to guys that have. 744 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 10: It's like a line of demarcation as an NFL player, 745 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 10: you either played in. 746 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 4: The super Bowl or you didn't. 747 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 10: And then Flaco first of all, Flaco made a ton 748 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 10: of money. They probably made around the same money, and 749 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 10: Flacco is still going by the way. But Flacco won 750 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 10: a Super Bowl. And no matter how good an individual 751 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 10: career is, there is nothing like winning a championship. 752 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 4: I can speak to this, Dan. I am so glad I. 753 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 10: Got a chance to play college football and very thankful 754 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 10: for seven years in the NFL. In eighteen years of football, 755 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 10: I won one championship. It was my junior year of 756 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 10: high school. It was thirty years ago. Okay, it was 757 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 10: nineteen ninety five. I can tell you about every one 758 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 10: of those games. I can tell you about those guys. 759 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 10: When I go back to my hometown, okay, and I 760 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 10: go to Third and Spruce, or I go to any 761 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 10: of these bars and I see these guys. Right, I 762 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 10: am not friends with these guys. I don't text them, 763 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 10: I don't even have their numbers. But when I see them, 764 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 10: we give each other a hug and we ms about 765 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 10: what it was like to win the Burkes Ic championship 766 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 10: in ninety five, what it was like to beat Governor Mifflin. 767 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 10: There is nothing an individual accomplishment, in my experience, can 768 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 10: never even come close to the shared joy and the 769 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 10: shared experience of a team accomplishment. 770 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 4: Give me the team accomplishment and winning the. 771 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 10: Super Bowl and the bond that you have with those 772 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 10: guys forever over anything individual. 773 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco or Dan Marino's careers. 774 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 4: Okay, are we talking careers. 775 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 10: We're talking lifestyle because I've thought about this, and being 776 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 10: Dan Marino in Miami in the eighties had to be really, 777 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 10: really fun. 778 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: It might still be. 779 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, did I've said this? Okay, this 780 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 4: is a great topic for the rest of the show. 781 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 4: I'll program the next thirty minutes. Paul's not doing his 782 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 4: job anyway. 783 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 10: Okay, if you could be any athlete in any era, 784 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 10: at any time, for everything that went along with it. Okay, 785 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 10: I'm just sitting here thinking Dan Marino in the eighties 786 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 10: in Miami, like Miami. 787 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 4: Vice, like stuff off the field. 788 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 10: I mean, Dan Marino had a top five life of 789 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 10: any athlete I can even fathom for what that must 790 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 10: have been like for him. 791 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 4: So Joe Flacco, I mean, great Baltimore. 792 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 10: I would rather have probably Joe Flacco's career, but I'd 793 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 10: rather I'd rather have lived Dan Marino's life. 794 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 2: Safe travels. Great to talk to you as always thanks 795 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: for joining us, all right, see you guys. That's Ros 796 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 2: Tucker