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Speaker 1: three of UH the twenty twenty season. I say thirteen,
Speaker 1: it's week fourteen? Fourteen? Is it week fourteen? I'm already
Speaker 1: trying to skip weeks at a certain point of the season.
Speaker 1: I don't want the season. Did you know? Football season's fun?
Speaker 1: It's fun things. But yeah, it's Week fourteen, Episode three
Speaker 1: here of Talking Cowboys. Here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside Isaiah stand Back in studio again. Today
Speaker 1: we've got Rob Phillips with a gigantic, very nice looking
Speaker 1: Christmas tree in the background, and then we've got Heck.
Speaker 1: But Harrison given his best effort. Wow, the milk's gone bad.
Speaker 1: That's how we got Heck. Just so you know every
Speaker 1: day you like that, man, I would never do you
Speaker 1: like that. Heck ah right, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not is not meant to be a competition,
Speaker 1: this tree thing. I no, it's it's just before we
Speaker 1: for me, it was okay, well, well each of you move,
Speaker 1: move aside a little bit and just show these things off.
Speaker 1: I mean, the heck's got his on his desk, and
Speaker 1: he was the first one to have it. And then
Speaker 1: Rob was like, oh, I've got one for you. Heck
Speaker 1: I covered heck, heck, we just completely covered his up.
Speaker 1: Heck me, you covered yours up. I love it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, ornaments and everything on his tree. Bro,
Speaker 1: I look at my little naked tree back here that
Speaker 1: he definitely spirit man. Yeah exactly. Oh well that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna start talking Cowboys today, just by
Speaker 1: a little comparison between that and Rob. Always fun. But
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were back out on the practice field yesterday.
Speaker 1: They will be back out there today following pretty much
Speaker 1: right when we're done with this show, they'll take the
Speaker 1: field and get back out here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: But there was an injury report yesterday and I just
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to point this out Yesterday during the show,
Speaker 1: I mentioned I wouldn't be surprised if Ezekiel Elliott was
Speaker 1: on that injury report. Well, he ended up being on
Speaker 1: the injury report with a bit of a calf lingering
Speaker 1: calf issue. Is that what it was, Robin? Were there
Speaker 1: any other are injuries that stuck out to you off
Speaker 1: of yesterday's practice? Yeah, it's a calf for Zeke coming
Speaker 1: out of the game, and the other three players on
Speaker 1: the report are related to past injuries. Anthony Brown with
Speaker 1: ribs limited, what would have been limited how they practiced,
Speaker 1: Zeke would not or Zeke would have been limited if
Speaker 1: they had practiced, So the report was an estimation. Cam
Speaker 1: Irving would not have practice and Donovan Wilson would not
Speaker 1: have either. So that's that's a pretty clean injury report.
Speaker 1: Although with a short week Nostradamas Kyle, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the Zeke's status is going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know how much work they are they really
Speaker 1: going to get in. They'll probably have a normal practice
Speaker 1: maybe Friday, but it's kind of that Thanksgiving week where
Speaker 1: they're just gonna try to manage him and see if
Speaker 1: he can go he is that really a big issue
Speaker 1: this week if if Zeke's not available. I know recently
Speaker 1: we've talked about the lack of production and we've talked
Speaker 1: about uh really just Zeke not being Zeke in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But how worried does that make you feel against a
Speaker 1: very winnable Cincinnati team? Uh coming up this weekend of
Speaker 1: Zeke's not on the field. Now, I want to go
Speaker 1: to what he said about you being no soredamic when
Speaker 1: you call that out, I mean it came out of
Speaker 1: left field really when you said it. So I think
Speaker 1: you're really kind of Martha Stewart in the show right
Speaker 1: now with inside of information. We're gonna let that. We're
Speaker 1: gonna let that slide. But it does worry, It does
Speaker 1: worry you a little bit. Yeah, of course I got you, Bertie,
Speaker 1: but you know, I a little worried about that that injury.
Speaker 1: I you know, obviously hope it's okay. Uh, in a
Speaker 1: game like this and where the season is going for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, you know, look, man, you may want
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to see some other guys if
Speaker 1: Zeke cannot go. Uh. So, Look, it's just it's the
Speaker 1: most twenty twenty. Thing that continues to happen is, you know,
Speaker 1: we get these freak injuries, got show up on the
Speaker 1: injury report that you didn't think that that was anything
Speaker 1: wrong with him, and Zeke is just another guy in
Speaker 1: that long line of Cowboys that are injured. Gosh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be all right. I mean, whatever he
Speaker 1: has going on, I think it's probably relatively minorum. If anything,
Speaker 1: they'll probably just monitor him, you know, like you already say,
Speaker 1: Rob going to you know, with a short week, making
Speaker 1: sure that he's good. He's a vet, they know what
Speaker 1: he could do. I think they probably feel bad and
Speaker 1: they know they should have kept giving him the ball
Speaker 1: this past week. So they're probably just giving him an
Speaker 1: extra day off, right, and make sure that he's ready
Speaker 1: to go out here and run against these boys this week.
Speaker 1: So with all that being said, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of fans out there are looking at this as maybe
Speaker 1: even a premature tank move. I mean sitting your veteran guys.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even just talking about Zeke, but I
Speaker 1: mean even some of these corners. Anthony Brown, he's been
Speaker 1: dealing with that issue kind of on and off all
Speaker 1: year long, and now he's he's back on the injury report.
Speaker 1: Then you talk about Donovan Wilson, a guy who's been
Speaker 1: an up and comer. I don't necessarily think he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you would sit out, even if
Speaker 1: you were trying to take because you want as many
Speaker 1: reps for Donovan Wilson as possible. But could you see
Speaker 1: this as a potential move with Zeke sitting him down
Speaker 1: for the at least a couple weeks of the rest
Speaker 1: of the season and getting him ready for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one a little bit early. I would. I would call
Speaker 1: it a strategic move if that is what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a tank move. The tank term
Speaker 1: is overutilized, and it isn't And yeah, it's definitely mismisused.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as tanking in the NFL.
Speaker 1: We've already touched on that in previous weeks. But it
Speaker 1: does make sense if you just pay somebody a bunch
Speaker 1: of money, if you're committed to them long term, to
Speaker 1: make sure that if this season, if they feel as
Speaker 1: if this season is out of hand, if if it's
Speaker 1: at a loss, right which it's right on the custom
Speaker 1: of that, then it only makes sense to protect your guys,
Speaker 1: the guys that you know are going to be here,
Speaker 1: the guys that you know are going to be valuable
Speaker 1: to you going down to stretch. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're doing that, but if they were to do that,
Speaker 1: it would be a strategic move. It would not be
Speaker 1: a tank move, right. Yeah. No. Another example of that
Speaker 1: would be Zach Martin maybe down the stretch here. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna miss minimum three games on irm with
Speaker 1: a calf as well. And the thing with calfs are
Speaker 1: like it's one of those soft tissue kind of things
Speaker 1: that you don't want to mess around with. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if the Cowboys are mathematically eliminated by the
Speaker 1: time Zaxell's were to come back, like if he's not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, it makes no sense, like Isaiah said,
Speaker 1: to your best pound for pound player, to put him
Speaker 1: out there. So we'll see what happens happens there. But
Speaker 1: you know, the whole tank thing, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a discussion coming out of the game the other day was,
Speaker 1: you know, what was their effort level like and did
Speaker 1: they you know, they look like they quit and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that fans hate, Well, what which
Speaker 1: one do you want? You want them to just you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have it both ways. I've been
Speaker 1: saying that all year. You can't. You can't accuse him
Speaker 1: of not playing hard and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: and it discuss you. But then you just want to
Speaker 1: hank and get a higher draft pick. You can't have
Speaker 1: it both ways. No, it definitely, it definitely is a
Speaker 1: double led sward when you talk about the fan base
Speaker 1: and that whole tanking uh thought process, and I think
Speaker 1: it ticked us off when we you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of games back when we when people were starting to
Speaker 1: talk that way. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I just feel as though that that whole
Speaker 1: tanking thing is happening organically. Yeah. I mean you look
Speaker 1: at our deepness and you look at their uh inability
Speaker 1: to stop the run, and you talk about, hey, let's
Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Brown being on the injury reserve. If
Speaker 1: I believe if Anthony Brown had played last week, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been would have been an afterthought in that game.
Speaker 1: So look, like I said, it's all happening, uh, and
Speaker 1: it's happening organically. You may want to check Greg Williams
Speaker 1: and him going cover zero for the Jets. Now, that's
Speaker 1: that's example of team tank right there. He got fired
Speaker 1: the next day. That's what they're trying to do. Yeah, lost,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, K like, so organically, He's right. They're
Speaker 1: down to their fifth and six offensive tackles. They're playing
Speaker 1: all kinds of backups this year because they've kind of
Speaker 1: had to. So, you know, I do think it's organ
Speaker 1: It's like Jerry said on the fan recently, he said,
Speaker 1: if we if we earn it, we'll take the high
Speaker 1: draft pick. If we earn it, they're earning it because
Speaker 1: of what at what they're doing defensively and the struggles
Speaker 1: they're having. It's like it's not quite history. It's historic
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history, it's not quite historic in NFL history,
Speaker 1: but it's it's downright bad, no doubt about that. That
Speaker 1: defense could arguably be historic in terms of NFL history.
Speaker 1: I think I think that defense would be right up
Speaker 1: there in terms of some of the top were just
Speaker 1: terrible defenses that the league has ever seen. But I
Speaker 1: kind of want to go back to the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and you guys mentioned Zack Martin. Of course, he was
Speaker 1: out against Baltimore here on Tuesday. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the offensive line and yesterday, and
Speaker 1: we didn't get to it. But I thought the offensive
Speaker 1: line fared quite well. I thought they had one of
Speaker 1: the better games of the year. Whenever they didn't have
Speaker 1: a Zach Martin, they didn't even have cam irving on
Speaker 1: the edge. I mean, you lost both of your tackles,
Speaker 1: and I mean these guys really kind of stepped up
Speaker 1: and played well against a very heavy front seven. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: they played well. They played well, and I know most
Speaker 1: people are gonna look at it and say, you know,
Speaker 1: Kalais Campbell was limping around his little gimpy Okay, but
Speaker 1: they still had They still had the wolf, the wolf
Speaker 1: on Wall Street as I referred to him, and he
Speaker 1: had a presence there. And they still they still have
Speaker 1: their dudes over there. Um, and the offensive line stepped up.
Speaker 1: They played well, and they allowed Annie Dalton get getting
Speaker 1: in a rhythm, They allowed for him to get some sweat,
Speaker 1: They allow for him to disperse the ball all over
Speaker 1: the place. Um, you know, I thought they did a
Speaker 1: really good job. I think it right at the end
Speaker 1: of the game there, they started having a little bit
Speaker 1: of some cracks come through. But again, we were holding
Speaker 1: onto the ball a little bit longer than we have
Speaker 1: been um in an earlier in the game because we're
Speaker 1: trying to get it downfield. So overall, for what they
Speaker 1: for what we're playing with, and you know what those
Speaker 1: guys had to do this week against that opponent, they
Speaker 1: did a heck of a job. Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: came into the game with a great strategy called max
Speaker 1: Protects slide protection, and that's what you have to do
Speaker 1: for Andy Dalton in order for him to be upright
Speaker 1: for most of the game. And you think about it,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was getting those quick passes out fast. It
Speaker 1: was dinkin dunk and finding his tight ends. And that's
Speaker 1: the game that that the Dallas Cowboys have to play
Speaker 1: because of where we are with our offensive line. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot you know, we we've you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are pleased with the with Andy Dalton's performance. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there were a few throws that he did miss, one
Speaker 1: I believe, to Michael Gallup at the back of the
Speaker 1: end zone. But still, I mean I think that we
Speaker 1: still don't we don't have the full arsenal of our
Speaker 1: offensive plays at our disposal because of how we're compromised
Speaker 1: at the offensive line. I saw them do a lot
Speaker 1: with Blake Bell to Bell Dozer should up not only
Speaker 1: block him, but I think he had a catch as well,
Speaker 1: And so you have we're gonna have to take that
Speaker 1: with us for the rest of these games if we want,
Speaker 1: you know, Andy Doggs to have just a titch of success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And you know, some of it was what
Speaker 1: Baltimore was just giving them. I feel like the way
Speaker 1: they were kind of playing their safeties, you know, just
Speaker 1: let the Cowboys rich just try to go down the
Speaker 1: field and and maybe they make a mistake on a
Speaker 1: long drive. Kind of a strategy there. But the problem
Speaker 1: with that is they didn't have any chunk plays in
Speaker 1: the game. They had one play over twenty yards and
Speaker 1: I was laid in the game to Michael Gallop. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you combine that with what Baltimore did one, two, three,
Speaker 1: nine plays I believe over twenty yards in the game
Speaker 1: or close to it, and four over thirty yards, Like
Speaker 1: that's where you're struggling. I mean, defensively, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: They had some plays that were okay in the game,
Speaker 1: but when you give up those giant plays, you just
Speaker 1: don't have much to stand on over the course of
Speaker 1: a four quarter game. And that's been a problem all
Speaker 1: year long. Now is that indicative of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: rob or is that something specific to play calling from
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore? Because you can attack underneath against really any
Speaker 1: defense and at some point they're going to creep up. Well,
Speaker 1: Baltimore didn't do that. Ultimately, they stayed in their game
Speaker 1: plan over the course of the game and because of that,
Speaker 1: there was nothing over the top for this Dallas offense.
Speaker 1: Is that where does it start for the Cowboys if
Speaker 1: you want to fix that and find some more big
Speaker 1: place because they were really good at it earlier in
Speaker 1: the year. Well, I may say it goes back to
Speaker 1: play action too, and like Isaiah said, get Zeke involved
Speaker 1: a little bit more and try to hit them that way.
Speaker 1: You know, if you got your running game really cooking,
Speaker 1: that's where you can take the top off at some
Speaker 1: point in the game. And but yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: also though they have guys that can take short intermediate
Speaker 1: passes and turn them into something Ceedee Lamb is one
Speaker 1: that comes first to mind. So but either way, however
Speaker 1: you do it you've got to be able to with
Speaker 1: the line like this and the way they're compromised up front,
Speaker 1: you can't rely on these twelve play add r drives.
Speaker 1: You just can't do it. You gotta get some easy
Speaker 1: ones every now and then. Ema No, I feel the
Speaker 1: same way. I think that you know, Kellen Moore does
Speaker 1: has done a better job of pulling back the game plan.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were seeing double reverses and triple option
Speaker 1: plays and things that just didn't what are we gonna
Speaker 1: do with that? And you know, I think that if
Speaker 1: you want to get Andy Dalton through the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, you're gonna have to max protect. I think
Speaker 1: what Rob said is right. You know, you do have
Speaker 1: those playmakers on your offense that can take a five
Speaker 1: yard slant route to the house. But what teams are
Speaker 1: doing is they're basically you know, man and man zone,
Speaker 1: keep your safeties high and bringing guys down in the
Speaker 1: box to stop the run and daring Andy Dalton to
Speaker 1: throw the ball along. You know. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what Baltimore's strength was against us, because they have they
Speaker 1: had so many good the defensive backs to a great guys,
Speaker 1: and you know, they just didn't have the pass rush either.
Speaker 1: And I think when you talk about Wolf and Klais
Speaker 1: Campbell and what they did and pushing the pocket, still
Speaker 1: the offensive line has some success, which just you know,
Speaker 1: getting a hat on the hat and big on big
Speaker 1: and so I think you progressed in that and I
Speaker 1: think you can take that, especially if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get Irvin or Zack Martin back. That that gives you
Speaker 1: some positive. As far as the running game going into
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati, I mean, I agree, I don't really have
Speaker 1: much of else to add to that. I mean, those
Speaker 1: guys said it, old line played well and he don't
Speaker 1: got the ball out, you know. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about CD in the pregame show, and CD got the
Speaker 1: ball early and often, right. I think he ended up
Speaker 1: having six catches or so. You know. But but to
Speaker 1: what you just said, Hey, Baltimore was playing, they're playing
Speaker 1: soft and the secondary side of things keeping everything in
Speaker 1: front of him because they knew that we couldn't beat
Speaker 1: them over the time, but they weren't going to have
Speaker 1: time to do. So, you know, we ran the ball whale,
Speaker 1: which is what you expect to do versus a heavy
Speaker 1: two high safety team, and we just got away from
Speaker 1: the run. Ye you know, Zeke was running like Zeke,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately we decided to not go back to him.
Speaker 1: I thought we'd moved a ball pretty dog on whale.
Speaker 1: We just didn't score enough points. Yeah, I didn't score
Speaker 1: the points, didn't finish drives. Andy Dalton said that after
Speaker 1: the game he talked about the fact that not finishing
Speaker 1: those drives was big, I mean, stalling out right outside
Speaker 1: the red zone, and it ultimately made the kicks harder
Speaker 1: for Greg Zerline. He ended up leaving three kicks off
Speaker 1: of the board, so nine points total. And I mean
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the difference in the game. You've either
Speaker 1: finished one or two of those drives or you'll get
Speaker 1: one more first down. And you trust Greg Zirline to
Speaker 1: kick more so from inside fifty yards than over fifty yards.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what the difference in the ball
Speaker 1: game ended up being. So when we come back here
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Speaker 1: stand back, and Kyle Yeoman's with you here on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Chris Beam running it in the back. But guys talking
Speaker 1: about the Bengals coming up, and just the one of
Speaker 1: two teams in the NFL that are one of three
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL that don't have a record as
Speaker 1: bad as the Dallas Cowboys. They sit above you right
Speaker 1: now with the third overall pick in April's twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one NFL Draft. However, dared them, you lose this game
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, and all of a sudden, you have
Speaker 1: the third overall pick because they have a tie with
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles on their record. But no Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: no Joe Mixon. It's just a bunch of average joes
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati and the Bengals whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the football. This week, But rob, what
Speaker 1: have you seen from Cincinnati? I mean, they still have
Speaker 1: a couple of good receivers out there, Te Higgins, who
Speaker 1: out of climps in this past year, and then of
Speaker 1: course a couple other guys they could go with, like
Speaker 1: a Tyler boy who had a seventy two yard touchdown test.
Speaker 1: This week, I've seen an offense that has really really struggled.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna find out, you know, just how bad
Speaker 1: it gets for the Cowboys defense, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: You know, without Joe Burrow in their lineup at quarterback,
Speaker 1: they've really struggled the last two and a half games.
Speaker 1: I think they've got three scores with Brandon Allen at quarterback,
Speaker 1: not that he can't make plays, but they haven't been
Speaker 1: very successful. Joe Mixon, they're starting running back I believe
Speaker 1: is still going to be out of this game. He's
Speaker 1: still on IR So it's a Giovanni Bernard show. And
Speaker 1: you know, look, they've struggled to run the ball. I
Speaker 1: think they've had forty yards total in each of their
Speaker 1: last two games, both losses. But we'll fix that. Yeah, heck,
Speaker 1: like does that does that matter? Like you see that
Speaker 1: stat and say, oh, well, then it's a big day
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys defense. They have to go out there
Speaker 1: and show it, show that they can stop that. Because
Speaker 1: Giovanni Bernard has been in the league for a few
Speaker 1: years and while maybe their offensive line is not productive
Speaker 1: up front or hasn't been, he's a competent running back.
Speaker 1: So Cowboys got a show they can stop the run
Speaker 1: against anybody, no matter how much their opponent has struggled
Speaker 1: with guys. Oh, man, you know Joe Mixon, Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: he must don't want to get his stats up. What's
Speaker 1: going on with you, Joe Giovanni Bernard. Man, he is,
Speaker 1: like you said, Rob, he's been in the league for
Speaker 1: a while and he's one of those you know, low
Speaker 1: to the ground, shifty bowling ball style running backs that
Speaker 1: he can get in behind those tackles and get some
Speaker 1: gash yards. I mean, he kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: the running back from UM from the football team. Don't
Speaker 1: want to say the wrong name, M. Gibson, and yeah,
Speaker 1: kind they kind of you know, low to the ground,
Speaker 1: short guys that that can you know, kind of scatty.
Speaker 1: But still Giovanni Bernard man has the best mustache in
Speaker 1: the league. I don't know if you check this guy's
Speaker 1: mustache out, but he's got the whole wide eer thing
Speaker 1: going on right now. I've never seen a brother with
Speaker 1: a wider mustache, but Jiovvanni Bernard got one. But you know, look,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you could go
Speaker 1: into this game saying that, look, we have everything to
Speaker 1: play for, and this is an offense that you're not
Speaker 1: scared of. And they have had every reason, they have
Speaker 1: every reason to lay down right, but for some reason
Speaker 1: they will show up with this average offensive line UH
Speaker 1: and give us some problems in the running game. And
Speaker 1: they still have some J. P. Run I believe from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: who is definitely a viable option UH in the running game.
Speaker 1: As well. But let's not forget about the man A J. Green.
Speaker 1: He's still alive, he's still out there and there's still
Speaker 1: some ability there. But you know, they're gonna load up
Speaker 1: with their tight ends and they're gonna run it right
Speaker 1: out of us. Man. Both both I said, and I
Speaker 1: both looked up and googled Giovanni Bernard's mustache. And you're right,
Speaker 1: that thing is fantastic. It's impressive. That's a I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a toss. It's like Captain Crunch Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm telling you, it's really it's really fantastic.
Speaker 1: Captain Way to go, Geo. Is that your favorite teial? No,
Speaker 1: I'm a simto Crunch. I love Captain Crunch. I think
Speaker 1: it's so good. Captain MESSI the roof of your mouth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fair, that's fair. What do you think
Speaker 1: about this? Good coo? It touched the lips? What do
Speaker 1: you think about this Giovanni Bernard led offense from Cincinnati?
Speaker 1: They struggled, I mean they've struggled. I mean this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a it's gonna be a battle royale this week.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those games where you
Speaker 1: have two teams that aren't playing very well. I don't
Speaker 1: want to call any team a bad team, but you've
Speaker 1: got two teams that aren't playing very well. And when
Speaker 1: those when when that tends, when that collides, when those
Speaker 1: when we have those two masses colliding, usually one comes
Speaker 1: out looking like a superstar. Right, Usually one comes out
Speaker 1: looking like a superstar and the other one comes out
Speaker 1: looking like Pepper Lapu. So we're gonna find out which
Speaker 1: one comes out looking like Pepper lapu U. And I'm hopeful,
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that it won't be the Cowboys, because these
Speaker 1: dudes have they have some weapons, but so do we, Right,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see which team shows up. We're gonna
Speaker 1: see which offers a coordinator, brings the best game plan,
Speaker 1: and let's get ready to rumble. Yeah, well, then I
Speaker 1: think one of the game plans from Cincinnati is to
Speaker 1: do do a couple how about three words here? Run
Speaker 1: the ball, And they've had some success whenever Giovanni Bernard
Speaker 1: runs the football. This is a part of the Big
Speaker 1: Fax article that out later today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: But the Bengals throughout Bernard's career are eleven one and
Speaker 1: one when Bernard gets fifteen carries or more so, if
Speaker 1: he's able to get the rock and they feed him
Speaker 1: the rock, that is a team that has a lot
Speaker 1: of success. And against the Cowboys, rob that's what they're
Speaker 1: going to do, because why would you do anything else.
Speaker 1: Why would you challenge and Alan, why would you challenge
Speaker 1: to try and get outside or back behind this defense?
Speaker 1: Because you know, even a veteran running back is going
Speaker 1: to have some success against this run defense. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean as long as the game is close, right,
Speaker 1: because I think I want to say he hasn't had
Speaker 1: more than thirty something yards this year in terms of
Speaker 1: rushing in a single game. You know, I'm a stand corrected.
Speaker 1: He had sixty two against Tennessee, but he more than
Speaker 1: fifteen carries and they won that game against Tennessee. Though,
Speaker 1: you're right, he was right at fifteen carries, Blake, But
Speaker 1: you know, against the Dolphin last week, twelve or thirty,
Speaker 1: you know, and they fall behind, and you know they've
Speaker 1: struggled to protect Brandon Allen so and actually he's on
Speaker 1: the injury report for them this week. I think he
Speaker 1: did practice yesterday. But yeah, yeah, they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: try to feed the Rock. Why not. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the Cowboys biggest weakness by far. I was looking up
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys stats historically. I mentioned historically earlier in
Speaker 1: the show, they are on pace for the worst run
Speaker 1: defense in team history. They're on pace to give up
Speaker 1: two thousand, six hundred eighty five yards that would surpass
Speaker 1: the two thousand Cowboys twenty six hundred thirty six yards
Speaker 1: in two thousand. The other two years were they're the
Speaker 1: top three currently years of worst run defenses historically, two
Speaker 1: thousand when they went five and eleven, one of three
Speaker 1: straight years of five and eleven, nineteen sixty okay, first
Speaker 1: year in team history where they were expansion back, and
Speaker 1: then nineteen eighty nine one in fifteen. That's what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with. That's what we're talking about this year in
Speaker 1: terms of perspective of just how bad it's been. They're
Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and sixty seven yards of game fellas,
Speaker 1: and the next worst team is Houston one fifty. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not even close right now, but they're giving up
Speaker 1: on the ground and and that's what happens when you
Speaker 1: basically have two three hundred yard games that you allow
Speaker 1: um they've got a short up. They've got a short up,
Speaker 1: and I don't know at this point, can they can?
Speaker 1: Can they consistently short up? They haven't shown that they can.
Speaker 1: I love just hearing heck Mud just giggle in the
Speaker 1: background out of just disgusts like that, like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a picture of Rob, it's just the Rob video.
Speaker 1: And then he was just in the background just giggling
Speaker 1: because he can't believe it. It's like a laugh track
Speaker 1: on on the copy show, a sitcom, because you know
Speaker 1: this this I don't know how Rob does it. He
Speaker 1: still has hope in his voice, you know, And I
Speaker 1: love that about you, Rob Up. You still have that hope.
Speaker 1: You know, you still use words like short up. You know.
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. Um, yeah, what do you what
Speaker 1: do you? What do you say? I mean since the
Speaker 1: expansion eighty nine, two thousand, with the three consecutive five
Speaker 1: and eleven, yeah, I mean, those were some historically bad teams,
Speaker 1: and we see it again this year. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and I know we're talking about Cincinnati, but guys, if
Speaker 1: you watch that, watch the Ravens game and that long
Speaker 1: run from Lamar Jackson when he when he sent his
Speaker 1: guy in motion and realized that we were in man.
Speaker 1: His eyes lit up because he knew that was nothing
Speaker 1: we could do to stop that. And it's gonna if
Speaker 1: we continue to play those kinds of defenses, If we
Speaker 1: continue defensively, guys are just at living. I mean, n
Speaker 1: you can't tell me Tank Lawrence on that play wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to step down with that tackle. You can't tell
Speaker 1: me that that's the angle that Layton vander Eshi is
Speaker 1: supposed to take. All of those things. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a disaster. And so I keep saying and asking
Speaker 1: the questions to you guys, like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: And you could put a lot of it on Mike Nolan,
Speaker 1: you could call it scheme, but there's no way that
Speaker 1: he's coaching guys to play like this. There's no way
Speaker 1: that he's coaching guys in the interior of your defense
Speaker 1: to get dug out like that. It's just it's nasty.
Speaker 1: Based off your statement, right, yo, is it as our
Speaker 1: problem as our biggest as our biggest problem the players
Speaker 1: on defense or is it a defensive coordinator. I mean,
Speaker 1: with that being said, you have to say it's a
Speaker 1: combination of both. If you want to give a percentage.
Speaker 1: You want to give a percentage. No, you want to
Speaker 1: me to give a percentage on And I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to put it on the coach. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: say coaching. Yeah, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: fifty five forty five. You know coaches with the fifty five,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's got to be something. But there's
Speaker 1: no way that you coach a scheme like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is high school. This is high school,
Speaker 1: read option dog, this is this is nothing they run. Hey, Kyle,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see that plates at night. Yeah, in a
Speaker 1: high school game, it's there's nothing, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing scheme wise that is above that what you've
Speaker 1: what you've seen before. They are they're trapping guys. They're
Speaker 1: bringing them in an alley and you know to step
Speaker 1: down with that guy to not create uh an HLV
Speaker 1: lane And that's what we're doing. We got HV lanes
Speaker 1: in our defense man and guys have just run through.
Speaker 1: You said, you see to Cincinnati have a toll tag though,
Speaker 1: that's my question. Yeah, did they get that toll tag
Speaker 1: taken care of us? Uh? With so kind of going
Speaker 1: off of what what Heckman just said though, and kind
Speaker 1: of the challenge that you brought with with coaches or players.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here, But how could you
Speaker 1: say it's coaches whenever the same problems were from last
Speaker 1: year and it was a completely different coaching staff, Because
Speaker 1: I mean that's a legitimate question from a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans is why have we not seen a change?
Speaker 1: Is it because that's just the personnel? Is it the players?
Speaker 1: Even Jones on the fan I believe yesterday said that
Speaker 1: he doesn't think it's not the players. He thinks the
Speaker 1: players are the right guys. You just haven't executed, Which
Speaker 1: wouldn't that put it on the coaches. But it's a
Speaker 1: different coaching staff, same result is twenty nineteen, if not worse.
Speaker 1: It's a really good question. I think I have to
Speaker 1: agree with heck and say it's a combination of both.
Speaker 1: It has to be, absolutely has to be. I think
Speaker 1: no matter what team it is, it always has to be.
Speaker 1: But these players. I don't feel as if these players
Speaker 1: have taken enough responsibility, taking it upon themselves to ensure
Speaker 1: that they get things right. Your coaches can call things.
Speaker 1: Your defensive coordinator could call different plays, but you still
Speaker 1: have the power to change it on the field. Vander
Speaker 1: Ish and Jylen Smith. Whenever you have middle linebacker used
Speaker 1: to have the power. Those guys are the quarterbacks on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. They can check out of
Speaker 1: plays just like you see. I see quarterbacks check out
Speaker 1: of plays all the time. That guy has the power
Speaker 1: to check out of plays. These defensive linemen and these
Speaker 1: linebackers and these secondary guys, they all have choice whether
Speaker 1: or not to get beat or not, whether it'd be
Speaker 1: lined up in the right gap or not, rather the
Speaker 1: right have the right proper the proper technique. Do I
Speaker 1: be inside leverage on this on his receiver or do
Speaker 1: I go outside? Do I go head up? Do I
Speaker 1: put my hands on them? Do I try to shadow them?
Speaker 1: So those are aspects that the coaches can't control, right, Um,
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think there's enough enough responsibility
Speaker 1: being taken on either side. And they like, like you said,
Speaker 1: they have to share things up soon, Rob, What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Oh? No, please, though you don't
Speaker 1: like to show up, don't like the up stop it's
Speaker 1: too late for shoring up. Uh yeah, probably right. You're
Speaker 1: probably right. At this point, it's almost Christmas. We'll get
Speaker 1: the true we got the trees up, the true. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I think Um Stevens point is well made in that
Speaker 1: it is a lot of the same players from last year.
Speaker 1: I would say, though, you know, we've touched on this before.
Speaker 1: There were issues last year with gap discipline and gap
Speaker 1: control and you know, and and kind of freelancing and
Speaker 1: those things, and they gave up some big yardage in
Speaker 1: terms of rushing last year. It's just gotten like historically
Speaker 1: bad this year. So you know, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can put it all on the players. You got to
Speaker 1: figure out why, you know, the new scheme or whatever
Speaker 1: you're asking players to do, why they're not responding to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that does fall on coaching to a
Speaker 1: certain extent. It has to sou But you know, you
Speaker 1: know what one of you guys mentioned, I think heck
Speaker 1: you mentioned the the early touchdown from Lamar Jackson. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said that was a good look. They were in
Speaker 1: the right defense there. But I think you also can argue,
Speaker 1: like you said, there have been situations where you know,
Speaker 1: they kind of stubbornly stay in their sub packages when
Speaker 1: they're facing you know, power running team or a two
Speaker 1: tight end set and they're kind of overmatched in terms
Speaker 1: of personnel. So I think you got to look at
Speaker 1: that stuff too. It's uh, I'm with heck man, it's
Speaker 1: just it's never it's never one thing, and they've really
Speaker 1: got to figure this out. If it's not this season,
Speaker 1: then they got to get in the offseason and see
Speaker 1: how can we get better at this because it's you know,
Speaker 1: you're going on a couple of years of this, honestly,
Speaker 1: where when they struggle to stop the run and they're
Speaker 1: in big trouble. Man, there's so many holes to fill
Speaker 1: this offseason when you talk about that defense in the
Speaker 1: secondary and the contracts, who you bring it back, who
Speaker 1: you're not bringing back, I mean, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go out and find like six starters. I mean, if
Speaker 1: we're being real, I mean you're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: out end guys to come in and immediately make an
Speaker 1: impact on that defense. Because I think the offense is
Speaker 1: gonna be just fine in twenty twenty one. I really do.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about that offense when we come
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Speaker 1: up Kyle Yeoman's final segment here. And I mentioned the
Speaker 1: offense and how they're gonna fare against Cincinnati, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it more tomorrow. But let's talk about Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton a little bit here because we talked earlier Isaiah
Speaker 1: mentioned how Andy Dalton kind of found a bit of
Speaker 1: a rhythm. He was able to manage the game quite
Speaker 1: well through it to eight different receivers in the ball game,
Speaker 1: all of which had a reception in the first half
Speaker 1: of it. But whenever it comes to finding all four quarters,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've necessarily seen that from both
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and our offensive coordinator Kellen Morcas. Like we
Speaker 1: talked about, they kind of went away from the run game.
Speaker 1: But now that you're going up against a team that
Speaker 1: seemingly has an inferior defense and has not had as
Speaker 1: much success on the defensive side of the football, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: do you feel like there's a chance and there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more confidence here for this offense moving into
Speaker 1: the week against Sinci. I think he's going into this
Speaker 1: game trying to have the game of his life. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's against his team, it's against his former team. I mean,
Speaker 1: so if you can imagine somebody leaving a team, leaving
Speaker 1: an organization that you know wanted to replace you, and
Speaker 1: they drafted a number one pick to get you up
Speaker 1: out of there. I'm going out and I'm showing my
Speaker 1: tail off, right And I think we saw a little
Speaker 1: bit of that swag this past week. And I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine his mindset right now going back to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: He this might be the best any dudding we've ever seen,
Speaker 1: potentially against a bad defense against his old organization that
Speaker 1: he spent his whole career with. So I'm expecting amazing
Speaker 1: things from him. And I think the continuity between him
Speaker 1: and the receivers, I think we saw that this past
Speaker 1: we got to display starting half starting to happen. So
Speaker 1: if our office a line can protect, which I don't
Speaker 1: see any reason why they can't, because Cincinnati's best defensive linement.
Speaker 1: You know, Geno's not doing a dog on thing seemingly,
Speaker 1: I think we'll be all right. Rob, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. You know, Andy, he's such a
Speaker 1: nice guy and he you know, he's never gonna give
Speaker 1: you an explosive sound bite, and he didn't. But he
Speaker 1: was asked about, you know, after the Ravens game, he
Speaker 1: was asked about going back to Cincinnati, and he said,
Speaker 1: I knew this one was on the schedule, So I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the for Andy, Like that's probably the closest thing
Speaker 1: you'll ever hear of, Like I had this thing circled,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did,
Speaker 1: you know, Like Asaia said, I mean he's he was
Speaker 1: their franchise for almost ten years. You know. They they
Speaker 1: struggled last year, they went in a different direction. He
Speaker 1: got granted his release, and he never imagined he would
Speaker 1: play this much. But here he is with an opportunity
Speaker 1: to at least try to get his new team back
Speaker 1: on some kind of a track here, and I think
Speaker 1: he's building. That was his best performance of the season.
Speaker 1: I really don't really think that. It didn't translate to points.
Speaker 1: Obviously enough points, but he just looks like he's in
Speaker 1: a better rhythm with his wide receivers. And if they
Speaker 1: can give him protection, and like you guys said, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can try to establish some
Speaker 1: balance here, I think he's going to have he's got
Speaker 1: a chance to really show out. It's his old tam
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh no, oh, okay, guys, So you know Andy, Andy,
Speaker 1: what do you like? I just need Andy And he
Speaker 1: drove the bus. Andy drove the bus last year for
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to a number one draft pick. Right, so they
Speaker 1: did so Andy drove the bus bus this year to
Speaker 1: this organic take it going on. I mean, you guys,
Speaker 1: this guy's an't talking about the game of his life
Speaker 1: on as though Cincinnati didn't give Andy Dalton the opportunity
Speaker 1: and the platform to be the player that he is
Speaker 1: multiple contracts. I mean, they named the one to name
Speaker 1: the city after the man, and so now he has
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder to go back to Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and at the game of his life. Wow, you guys
Speaker 1: are amazing, dude, when you don't know that I'm here
Speaker 1: for Yeah, a revenge on his mind this week before
Speaker 1: he getting put off the field. Man, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it de Bryan situation. I think that would be
Speaker 1: completely I want to get some get back for the
Speaker 1: way that I got out of Dallas, right and the
Speaker 1: way that my my, my, wait a minute, my career,
Speaker 1: how my career is going. But if you're the franchise,
Speaker 1: you're the face of the franchise for ten years, and
Speaker 1: if the writing is on the wall that your career
Speaker 1: and you are not the quarterback that you were. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you lead us to the number one
Speaker 1: pick in the year that when you were not hurt
Speaker 1: or anything like that, you were a bench for Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, I get it. Wet we
Speaker 1: need something to talk about. Revenge is key and he's
Speaker 1: going back to the Cincinnati and he's gonna have the
Speaker 1: game of his life. He question, does any doesn't throw
Speaker 1: for three hundred yards and three touchdowns? This game no different?
Speaker 1: I feel like we have a friend friendly little bet
Speaker 1: coming off on talking cowboys. What we wager in here?
Speaker 1: Friendly bets? How about we wage a tree whole if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get three hundred yards, three hundred yards, three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: I will buy a tree to put in your back
Speaker 1: behind you and your back drop. How big of a tree?
Speaker 1: Are we talking and talking about a tree that day?
Speaker 1: That will cover up his bows? Quiet comforts? Okay, that's
Speaker 1: how big of a tree something like that. But listen,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because that's gonna put me in the
Speaker 1: crisp bean stratosphere that have a trip Christmas tree in
Speaker 1: every room. So yeah, give me a big tree. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get well. So I have hit right
Speaker 1: there for your background. If he loses, though, what would
Speaker 1: if he loses? Because we could put a tree in
Speaker 1: your background too, and we would all have the festive
Speaker 1: spirit in the room. What's just rubbing into the fans?
Speaker 1: Can we have the fans right now? Don't you ask
Speaker 1: the fans what do you think? What do you think
Speaker 1: the equivalent you know, pay should be for HECMA. So
Speaker 1: you don't want a tree, is what you're saying. No,
Speaker 1: I don't need a tree. Okay, I got a tree. No,
Speaker 1: just letting you know. I have one tree at my house.
Speaker 1: Just letting y'all know. Oh, christ tree at my house.
Speaker 1: He's just got multiple Emmys. That's all it is. It's
Speaker 1: the Gold and the Emmys confusing. It's like the grizzl
Speaker 1: one tree. Okay. So so here here's the bet. And
Speaker 1: this isn't finalized yet. It will be finalized tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: if Andy Dalton throws for at least three hundred yards
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns, Isaiah will get something from HECMA. The
Speaker 1: fans get to decide this. So the fans are gonna
Speaker 1: say something and we're gonna kind of tweet at us
Speaker 1: at I am stand back, Rob Phillips three, we got
Speaker 1: HECKMA underscore, Harrison and Kyle underscore Yeoman's so he does
Speaker 1: look a little bit nervous, So fans tell us what
Speaker 1: what would have to get Isaiah? And then if Isaiah
Speaker 1: loses the bet and Andy Dalton goes underneath three hundred
Speaker 1: yards and three touchdown, you've got to buy heckma tree,
Speaker 1: a big time tree, big old tree, big old tree.
Speaker 1: You won't even need your goods. That's saying something, saying
Speaker 1: something that's a tough I can't wait to get my tree.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Rob, what's your take on it? Row?
Speaker 1: I know you're not a part of this bet, but
Speaker 1: what's what's your what's your take on this? I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play well. I think the stats are lofty, loft,
Speaker 1: I mean he did. He did just throw for two
Speaker 1: eighty five two touchdowns with it with a high cover,
Speaker 1: two safety defense. You're right, although I will say Cincinnati
Speaker 1: has given up twenty nineteen and nineteen in the last
Speaker 1: three games. Now. They've lost them all. They've lost them
Speaker 1: off because they can't score any points offensively. But they've
Speaker 1: done They've been a little stingy, they've been a little centgy.
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very interested. I think it's a good
Speaker 1: bet because it's gonna take a good amount from Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna have to take a good game from
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton for Isaiah to win this bet. But it's
Speaker 1: possible because it's Cincinnati and like, like he said, like
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of revenge on the mind, even
Speaker 1: though Heckma doesn't believe that sort of thing, but it's
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