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Speaker 1: very convincing. She would call it southern charm, and she

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Speaker 1: needs her southern charm to get them to be friendly

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Speaker 1: mother at that point? I didn't hate her. You wanted

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Speaker 1: her dead? Yes, but it was not because I hated her.

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Speaker 1: It was because I wanted to escape. Everything went quiet.

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Speaker 1: A young girl describes listening as her mother is stabbed

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Speaker 1: to death by a boyfriend she meets on a Christian

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Speaker 1: dating website. But that is just really the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the story. I mean, sy this is crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. How do we get to

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Speaker 1: the point where a young girl is describing how she

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Speaker 1: listens as quote, everything went quiet as her mother after

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Speaker 1: calling out her name, Gypsy, that's the daughter's name, repeatedly,

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Speaker 1: room as her mother is stabbed dead. Again, that's just

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the story. This is what we know.

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Speaker 1: A syndrome called Munchhausen by proxy comes into play. Joining

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Speaker 1: me right now. Dr Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist and

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Speaker 1: creator of Anxiety tools dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, renowned

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Speaker 1: forensic expert, John Limley, Crime Stories contributing reporter, all joining

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Speaker 1: us on this this all Star panel to break it,

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Speaker 1: to put it back together again. Let's start with you,

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Speaker 1: John Limley, The murder of the Mother is really just

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the story. This story started when Gypsy

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Speaker 1: Blanchard was just a tiny little girl. With Gypsy in

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Speaker 1: a feeding bag, intra venous tubes. It goes on and on,

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Speaker 1: multiple life threatening surgeries and infections. Let's start at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: John Limley, what happened? Gypsy Rose Blanchard grew up Nancy

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Speaker 1: really not knowing much about the world outside of a

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Speaker 1: the time she was eight, Gypsy Blanchard was allegedly suffering

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Speaker 1: from leukemia, muscular dystrict vision and hearing impairments, even seizures.

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Speaker 1: which indicates to me, uh Dr Chloe Karma cold, that

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Speaker 1: some of her teeth have fallen out. Yes, well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: what's really terrible is that essentially she is extremely ill. However,

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Speaker 1: The illness has to do with a terrible form of

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Speaker 1: Back to John Limley, John, So she is suffering from leukemia,

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Speaker 1: she's being fed through a feeding tube. What does that

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Speaker 1: entail Joseph Scott Morgan to be fed through a feeding tube?

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Speaker 1: How well surgically Nancy, you know what, You cut a

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Speaker 1: gypsy and d D really created. But you're on a

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Speaker 1: how I'd like to think of her. But back to

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, how did the mom fake the daughter's illnesses?

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of doctor shopping, Nancy. They would

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00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: state of confusion. I think she kind of lost track

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Speaker 1: think that she was aware that she was being looked

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Speaker 1: hard for us to find somebody when they don't actually

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Speaker 1: know that they were actually missing. She's young, she's beautiful,

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Speaker 1: she is accomplished, she has a great career in front

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Speaker 1: of her. I'm talking about a twenty nine year old

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Speaker 1: Courtney Rowland, a sports journalist who goes missing. Joining me

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Speaker 1: right now, Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar online

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Let's start at the beginning, because we all

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Speaker 1: after thousands and thousands of dollars have been spent trying

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Speaker 1: to find her. She was quote confused. All right, alexas torrest,

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. Tell me about how Courtney

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Speaker 1: Rowland goes missing. So Courtney was on Saturday, was had

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Speaker 1: been at a work event. She's a reporter. She's a

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Speaker 1: sports reporter. Had been at a practice doing her job.

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Speaker 1: Goes home and then your friends chat with her over

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Speaker 1: and I, you know, just texting back and forth with

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Speaker 1: her friends. She goes out to a Walgreens at about midnight,

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Speaker 1: UM and is that texting her friends saying I think

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Speaker 1: I'm being followed. She says, I'm there's a person in

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Speaker 1: a blue truck. They're following me. And then she says

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00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: that she drives around her block. When she gets home,

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00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: she drives, pulls into her driveway and the truck pulls

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Speaker 1: up to her. She gets out, they go away, but

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00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: she was really scared, and so this really frightens her friends.

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Speaker 1: And then that happens about twelve thirty Sunday morning, late

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Speaker 1: Saturday night. Nobody hears from her again, and everybody gets

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Speaker 1: panicked because they said that they were worried this person

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: the blue truck had done something to her and her

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00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: she was supposed to meet her friend the next day

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Speaker 1: and never shows up, so everybody started panicking. So she

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Speaker 1: tells people that a guy is following her. Let me

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Speaker 1: understand this. When did that happen? Saturday night to Sunday morning?

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Speaker 1: Like around midnight Saturday night early Sunday morning. So this

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Speaker 1: is what we know. She has reported missing on a

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Speaker 1: Saturday after covering a Texas Team elite football camp in

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Speaker 1: West Houston. Then she what calls and texts out that

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Speaker 1: a strange man is following her. After that, alexis, yes,

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Speaker 1: she does. She says that there's a truck, a man

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Speaker 1: in a blue truck that is following her, and that

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Speaker 1: seemed very suspicious, and that he was following her car

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Speaker 1: she drove. She looped around the block at her house

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Speaker 1: because she didn't want to pull right in, and then

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Speaker 1: she pulled in and this is all that she She's

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Speaker 1: telling her friend this overtext, So she's texting, and then

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Speaker 1: what happens to the mystery man that she says is

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Speaker 1: chasing her, we don't know, and we don't hear from

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Speaker 1: her again. That's it. That's the last communication that we

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Speaker 1: have with her. So that's really scary. What if anything

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Speaker 1: to police do. They spoke to her parents and her friends,

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00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: and they she was reported as missing, so they started

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Speaker 1: actually searching for her. And it was immediate. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: because she she's twenty nine years old, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: wait twenty four hours or forty hours to who she called.

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00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: They immediately started searching for her and searching for her

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Speaker 1: car and her cell phone and trying to figure out

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00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: where she was. Well, what we know right now is,

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00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: according to police quote, there's no evidence to indicate this

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Speaker 1: sports reporter was assaulted. A more thorough investigation may reveal

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Speaker 1: something different, according to officer Martin and Teeny, but at

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Speaker 1: this time, we don't think anything criminal occurred to her.

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Speaker 1: When you say police were out searching for her along

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Speaker 1: with family and friends, what do you mean by that.

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00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean apparently they wasted no time and started looking

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Speaker 1: for her. They did. They went to her house immediately,

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Speaker 1: they kind of traced her tracks. They went to the Walgreens,

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Speaker 1: they eat. Everybody was with the internet today, everybody was

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Speaker 1: searching for her. Even the governor of Texas tweeted out,

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Speaker 1: please try to help find Courtney. If anybody knows where

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Speaker 1: she is, so people started looking for her. Explained to

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Speaker 1: me how she was ultimately found. So on Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: she had been spotted at a Chick fil A about

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning, and somebody what was she

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Speaker 1: doing in a Chick Fili? Was she wandering aimlessly in

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Speaker 1: the parking lot or was she inside? And in some

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00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: minis she was inside the Chick fil A, So somebody

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Speaker 1: spotted her. They called the police. I find out she's

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Speaker 1: in there having a Chick fil A breakfast. My head

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Speaker 1: is going to blow off because if she's so dazed

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Speaker 1: and disoriented that she has no idea while police are

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Speaker 1: out all hours of the day or night searching for her,

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Speaker 1: while other real crimes are being committed, and she's kicked

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Speaker 1: back having some nuggets. Uh, go ahead. Well, then within

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Speaker 1: the within the next thirty minutes, another person reports her.

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Speaker 1: They see her under an overpass of the highway, and

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Speaker 1: so they call police to police had been kind of

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Speaker 1: in that area. It was near the area where her

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Speaker 1: car had been found a few hours earlier, and they

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Speaker 1: found her under an overpass. She did not have her

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Speaker 1: phone with her, her purse, anything, nothing, and why would

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Speaker 1: she be under an overpass? Her dad has said that

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00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: she was confused and that perhaps her medication was off

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: medication what kind of medication. All he said is that

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Speaker 1: there there may have been a problem with her medication

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: and her parents. Her mom actually got a text message

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Speaker 1: from her well, from her phone on Sunday and it

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Speaker 1: said something like to uh the mom of Courtney, I

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: am buying an iPad. And it seems so suspicious that

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00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: it would say to the mom of Courtney from Courtney's phone.

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00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: They were very worried that somebody had her. Does anybody

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00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: remember the name Jennifer will Banks, the so called real

599
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: life runaway bride. This is a yo, yeah yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and alexis you and I covered it together. Jennifer will

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Speaker 1: Banks is uh, pretty young woman, long brunette hair, big

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Speaker 1: brown eyes who goes missing um right before her wedding.

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00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was the weekend of the

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Speaker 1: wedding and there was some cry crazy wedding plans like

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Speaker 1: this is off the top of my head, I may

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Speaker 1: have the number wrong, like fifteen bridesmaids and fifteen roomsmen

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Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of people invited and blah blah.

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00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean the whole kit in camboodle. I mean, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: you know that when I got married And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this is perfect. We decided on a Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: we got married on Saturday. Bam okay, just like that,

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00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: and it was done. But the whole drama of the

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Speaker 1: big wedding, and then that weekend she goes quote jogging,

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Speaker 1: and she's never seen again. Well, fast forward, she shows

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Speaker 1: up in Albuquerque, New Mexico, claiming that she has been

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00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: kidnapped and sexually assaulted. None of that happened. She took

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Speaker 1: a greyhound and escaped her wedding. She cost the government

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00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of dollars through her wild story is

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Speaker 1: basically a case of cold feet. Now in this case,

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Speaker 1: what do we know? What was said when she was

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Speaker 1: taken to Was she taken to the hospital, Alexis, she was.

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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 1: The police said she appeared quote unharmed, but they still

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Speaker 1: transported her to the hospital. What is this business about

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Speaker 1: her being quote confused? That is what her dad has

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Speaker 1: said that perhaps, you know, her medicine may have made

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Speaker 1: her confused. And I think the police have said that

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00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: when they found her, she didn't even realize or she

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00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: told them that she didn't know that people thought she

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Speaker 1: was missing, but you know, she is a twenty nine

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Speaker 1: year old professional who has had you know, worked and

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Speaker 1: had a job in responsibilities, and yet on a Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: she's standing under an overpass in the middle of Houston. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that seems totally out of character, and that would

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Speaker 1: go to her seriously having some type of um, a

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Speaker 1: mental break or some confusion brought on medication. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you could have said the same thing about Jennifer Wilbanks.

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00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Do you remember when that book and she also had

638
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: been texting her friends saying there's a guy following me

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Speaker 1: and then that's it. Nothing else. So it really, everybody

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Speaker 1: sounds like a dramatic scenario written by like a fifth

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Speaker 1: grade girl writing a novel Joseph's Got Morgan. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember when Jennifer Wilbanks went missing? Oh yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have vivid memories of it. It was it was Walder

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Speaker 1: Wall coverage. You know, everybody was just terrified that this,

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Speaker 1: uh something some harm had befallen uh this person and

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Speaker 1: uh and you're right, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was I think I was still actively

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Speaker 1: working um with a lot of law enforcement people then

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Speaker 1: and and I thought about the cost that was put

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Speaker 1: forward in that particular case, and the man hours and

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Speaker 1: and the time away from actually, as we've talked about before, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: working cases that are out there where people are actually

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Speaker 1: UHC being victimized and traumatized and everything else, and you

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Speaker 1: get pulled away for some kind of nonsense like that.

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Speaker 1: This girl, Courtney Rowland, was found near a gallery of

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Speaker 1: shopping mall where she had last been seen on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Her jeep I was found along with her purse. What

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out is why it all happened

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Speaker 1: to Dr Chloe Carmichael, psychologists joining us from New York,

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Speaker 1: founder of Anxiety tools dot Com, help me out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would chalk it all up to just as she's saying,

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Speaker 1: some kind of medication foul up, but then you've got

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Speaker 1: the drama of an uncorroborated mystery man following her that

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Speaker 1: that's kicked off the whole disappearance. Well, Nancy, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's actually plausible that if you were

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Speaker 1: having a poor reaction to a medication, or even maybe

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Speaker 1: going off of a medication that you're supposed to be on,

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Speaker 1: it would not be unusual to sometimes have some paranoid thinking.

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Speaker 1: UM so that you you can have a delusion or

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Speaker 1: you can have a paranoia. Even with me, when I

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Speaker 1: haven't been on medication once in a while, I've you know,

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Speaker 1: mistakenly thought somebody was following me. UM. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's entirely implausible that she might have actually genuinely

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Speaker 1: believed she was being followed, and that was part of

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Speaker 1: the early sign of her UM. You know, whatever type

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Speaker 1: of break she may have had. Well, if it's plausible

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Speaker 1: to you, you're the healthcare professional, then I accept that. Also,

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Speaker 1: police did say that she acted extremely confused when they

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Speaker 1: found her. UM. But then you've got the other evidence

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Speaker 1: of the mystery man that kicked off the disappearance UM

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Speaker 1: hiding the car the jeep under an overpass. I mean

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Speaker 1: I would think if I were disoriented, I would just

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Speaker 1: leave the car where it was, I mean the effort

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Speaker 1: of driving it. No, No, she was the car was

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Speaker 1: at the mall. Okay, so the car was at the mall.

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Speaker 1: Then where does the overpass come in? She was wandering around,

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Speaker 1: She wandered away from them all, wandered over the Chick

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Speaker 1: fil A, and then was found under the overpass. That

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Speaker 1: seems more believable to me. That seems much more believable

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Speaker 1: to me, because if she leaves her car her jeep

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Speaker 1: at the mall and starts wandering around, who in their

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Speaker 1: right mind will go under an overpass to the interstate.

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Speaker 1: To me, that does sound like she was confused and disoriented.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's think that through. Alexis a woman alone,

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Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old kind of a local celebrity,

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Speaker 1: wandering around in the same clothes for all that time,

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Speaker 1: and they find her under an overpass. That does sound

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Speaker 1: like she was way out of it and in people

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Speaker 1: hit said I just under. Somebody said they spotted her

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Speaker 1: at the Chick fil A. I feel like if I

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Speaker 1: knew somebody was missing, I would maybe go up to

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Speaker 1: them and say, hey, are you okay? After you know,

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Speaker 1: so many kidnap victims say that they were just put

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Speaker 1: out in public and they were too scared to talk

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Speaker 1: um J. C. Dugard and things like that. I would

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Speaker 1: maybe go up to somebody. But the people responsibly called

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Speaker 1: the police. I guess she was maybe wandering around so

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Speaker 1: strangely that they were afraid to approach her. But they

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Speaker 1: did find her aimlessly wandering around, and she had been

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Speaker 1: spotted at that mall about five forty on Sunday. They

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Speaker 1: didn't find her until about nine o'clock on Monday. That's

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Speaker 1: a long time for nobody to have seen her. We

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Speaker 1: are on it and trying to find out the truth

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Speaker 1: of what happened. Either this young reporter with really the

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Speaker 1: world at her fate. She's beautiful, she's educated, she's healthy

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Speaker 1: to end up disoriented under an overpass. Was it part

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Speaker 1: of some drama that she created for some unknown reason,

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Speaker 1: or is it for real? Like her dad is saying,

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Speaker 1: there are really arguments to both sides. Let's see where

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Speaker 1: it goes. Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,