WEBVTT - 011324 When People Say ‘Go Back to Africa!’ (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from the hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>WEV studios here on Civic Cipher once again, I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsy's Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsy's Jaw.

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<v Speaker 1>I am q Ward. You are tuned into Civic Cipher

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<v Speaker 1>and we want you to keep on riding with us

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<v Speaker 1>because we still got some more show for you. For

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<v Speaker 1>this next half of the show, we're going to spend

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<v Speaker 1>a good amount of time discussing the go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Africa narrative or call from people who feel I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be as kind as I can feel like black people

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<v Speaker 1>complain too much about our station in this country. Those

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<v Speaker 1>same people who compare black people in this country to

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<v Speaker 1>black people in Africa. This is a thing that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're going to speak to it. Unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a gentleman engage with me online, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the resulting conversation is worth you listening to. So that

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<v Speaker 1>and so much more for you to stick around for

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<v Speaker 1>uh and I asked that you do once again. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>cut the crime rate in half and increase the high

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<v Speaker 1>graduates scholarships. So a millionaire gave money to a black

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and black neighborhood did well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out this guy actually exists and he really does this, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I checked out his website. It's Rosengives Back dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll read this briefly through the This is just

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<v Speaker 1>one paragraph. It's a much longer read again, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the part that I feel really kind of sells this.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the Harris Rosen Foundation. Mister saved at local YMC

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<v Speaker 1>swim to help prevent accidental drownings. The foundation also honors

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<v Speaker 1>mister Rosan's heritage by assisting the Jack and Lee Rosen

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish Community Center to better serve children and families of

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<v Speaker 1>all religions in the Southwest Orlando community. Within this site,

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<v Speaker 1>you will learn about the individuals and organizations to whom

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<v Speaker 1>mister Rosen has provided support, disaster relief, and the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to fulfill their dreams. Again, that's Rosen gives Back dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're able to check out that website, what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to see is an old white man who

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<v Speaker 1>just looks like money, I'm being honest, and he's surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by black He has little black boys and girls right

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<v Speaker 1>almost is like if he's found his own version of heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so happy to give back to these folks. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that this was worth the mention because he

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<v Speaker 1>definitely is an ally, and I think by exampling that behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>you too can become a better ally. And you don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily need money. It's just the spirit that goes along

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<v Speaker 1>the way. Honey helps However, absolutely say that him. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to tell you a bit about this

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<v Speaker 1>guy bless you ramses from for our listeners. I know

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<v Speaker 1>this story already that you guys are about to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go, land Buckle in bless you bro. So

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<v Speaker 1>his name is Max Power and then some number. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put the number here, but Max Power. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>told you I was going to talk about you on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio, So here we go. Man, I do sincerely

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the time that you put into this conversation, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I know you were trying to make a point

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<v Speaker 1>that I will I'll never see things from your way.

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<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate it because people like you show me

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<v Speaker 1>that there are people like you, and for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 1>you illuminate a blind spot. And my hope is that

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<v Speaker 1>you and I are going to be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>brothers one day and sit down at the table with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more in common in terms of how we

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<v Speaker 1>see the world and different. And fortunately I have the

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<v Speaker 1>stage and I'm able to share our story and so

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do this.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we did was we put up a video

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<v Speaker 3>that says, basically it was like it was discussing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>white privilege and giving examples of white privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we put up on our social media.

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<v Speaker 1>We put up clips of the show, we put up

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<v Speaker 1>clips of things that come in the news, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>One such clip. He responds to this clip by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I will give you two choices, and you can only

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<v Speaker 1>choose one. Number one, your ancestors stayed in Africa and

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<v Speaker 1>were never brought to the US by Jewish ships. You

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<v Speaker 1>are now living in modern day Africa with mud huts,

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<v Speaker 1>no running water. Slavery still exists in Africa today and

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<v Speaker 1>working either for a Chinese mining firm like Kred seven

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<v Speaker 1>or doing god knows what. You cannot leave Africa now.

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<v Speaker 1>Or option two, your ancestors were brought to the US

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<v Speaker 1>by Jewish owned slave ships. Nothing changes, Everything was the

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<v Speaker 1>same to this day. You have everything you have now

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<v Speaker 1>you are in the US. Think carefully what choice you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he puts a smiley face. Right, So what

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to do, I know, I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just going to get this off. So what he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do is suggests that we have it better

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States then we would have had it

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<v Speaker 1>in Africa. Right, And for people that don't know any

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<v Speaker 1>better and people that cannot see beyond their own biases

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<v Speaker 1>and prejudices, and they don't recognize that. They're ignorant to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in the way of studies that would show

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<v Speaker 1>them just how rich a place Africa historically has been,

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<v Speaker 1>even before places like Greece and Rome, which I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about here. All it sounds like a bunch of black

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<v Speaker 1>people in huts living like cavemen, right, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's what would have happened, right. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is why we have to have this conversation. So allow

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<v Speaker 1>me to respond. So this is my response to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I says, this only tells me that you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the rich and diverse history of Africa. And furthermore, you

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<v Speaker 1>think that everyone in Africa is miserable. There are people

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<v Speaker 1>who live in places I'm confident you never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>that researchers have found to be happier than both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>None of them has an iPhone or a Netflix account

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<v Speaker 1>as decorated as my passport is. I hope to one

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<v Speaker 1>day visit some of those places. Also check out doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Browner. He can serve as a great starting point

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<v Speaker 1>for the African civilizations that taught and influenced the early

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<v Speaker 1>cultures in Greece, Rome, etc. And that includes their architecture,

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<v Speaker 1>no mud huts. I thought that was a sufficient response. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I didn't realize it would turn into

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<v Speaker 1>what it has turned into. But in short order, he

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<v Speaker 1>responded back, you still have not answered the question. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Max Powell, I have not answered the question. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. This is my response to that the

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<v Speaker 1>question is invalid. Had my ancestors stayed in Africa and

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<v Speaker 1>there was never a Transatlantic slave trade and thus no

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<v Speaker 1>European colonization of African countries, then Africa would be the

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<v Speaker 1>wealthiest continent on Earth by a considerable margin. Again with

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<v Speaker 1>the brilliant mathematical minds from Ethiopia, kush Ghana, Sonique, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's how I pronounce the name of the tribe there, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Your supposition of me living in a mud hut doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>reflect an accurate represation representation of what Africa would be

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<v Speaker 1>today with all of its diamonds and gold and precious metals,

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<v Speaker 1>minerals and resources in its coffers. Truthfully, your question doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>represent historical Africa all that well either, only a smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>more exotic facet of the pre colonial African landscape. I

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<v Speaker 1>e the tribal communities that made for interesting stories back

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, A similar thing happened in this country. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>the Natives in this land didn't all live in small

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<v Speaker 1>tribes and tepees. There were full, rich, complex societies across

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<v Speaker 1>North and South America. They have been excavated and studied

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<v Speaker 1>in detail, effectively debunking the stereotypical pre fourteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>Native American lifestyle. It's this eurocentric viewpoint that you have.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to use the word white supremacists, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. And I didn't want to scare

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<v Speaker 1>them off because people they tend to shut down when

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<v Speaker 1>you tell them the truth. So Eurocentric kind of worked here.

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<v Speaker 1>But for those that would hold my feet to the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>I intended to put white supremacists. I just knew that

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<v Speaker 1>i'd lose them. And you know, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to educate someone or learn, then you take advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Right anyway, it's this eurocentric where did I go? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go viewpoint that you have that causes lots

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<v Speaker 1>of harm to those of us looking to build bridges.

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<v Speaker 1>True told, these people and others have historically helped out

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<v Speaker 1>white people time and again, and they were often repaid

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<v Speaker 1>with disease, theft, lies, enslavement, rape, or outright slaughter. There

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of people who think Africans have always just

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<v Speaker 1>been people with bones in their noses, but that's only

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<v Speaker 1>part of the tapestry of historical Africa. I won't hold

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<v Speaker 1>it against you, since this is probably the first you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing of it, but I implore you to travel and

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<v Speaker 1>do a bit of digging as well. It's a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to shield, sorry, to shed the notion that one

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<v Speaker 1>group is superior to another. Again, that's me trying to interject, like, hey, dog,

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<v Speaker 1>you might think that you're white. You might have some

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacist views that you're not confronting. So I put

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a great way to shed the notion

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<v Speaker 1>that one group is superior to another. They're just different.

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<v Speaker 1>To answer theiggest predictor, this is my answer, Okay, to answer,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest predictor of happiness is the amount of close friendships,

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<v Speaker 1>not mud houses or iPhones. I'd rather live where I

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<v Speaker 1>have friends. Thanks for this, it was fun. Please keep listening,

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<v Speaker 1>watching and supporting. It helps us grow our radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to you soon, and I put a heart Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>After that, he puts, so you think that if Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>never given Africa the written language, it would be wakanda?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it? Lol? So I am going to assume that

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<v Speaker 1>you would not give up your life here and that

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<v Speaker 1>your answer is number two. So I responded, written language

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<v Speaker 1>comes from northern Africa and what is now the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 1>not Europe. That is a very easy thing to google.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't already know that Samerians ancient Samerians anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>not Europe. You can assume what makes you feel best.

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<v Speaker 1>The question was flawed, But I'd be happy wherever I

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<v Speaker 1>have friends happy. Okay, all right, so he says again,

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<v Speaker 1>So again you will not answer you people have it

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<v Speaker 1>made in the US and would still be selling each

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<v Speaker 1>other to tribes. Go watch Empire of Dust. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I will spare you the rest of our exchange. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. But you know me trying to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>to this gentleman that his question is invalid. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>akin to me asking you, hey, Q, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>purple or last Tuesday?

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<v Speaker 2>You guys can't see me. So what am I supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do with that? It's long, it's a non question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you do you want purple or last Tuesday. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense. It's not like a real thing. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>for a person that assumes that living in Africa and

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<v Speaker 1>had their and know Transatlantic slave trade, that people in

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<v Speaker 1>Africa would be miserable, I think that it There is

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<v Speaker 1>no better way to example a white supremacist Eurocentric arrogance

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<v Speaker 1>than in a question like that, because again it assumes, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're God's gift to the planet. Your iPhone makes you happy?

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<v Speaker 1>No iPhone stress everybody out. Fam Again, there's tribes in

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the Himalayan What is that Mount Everest

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<v Speaker 1>the happiest human beings on earth scientifically studied. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a Wi Fi signal for one hundred miles in

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<v Speaker 1>any direction. They don't need it, right, And if the

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<v Speaker 1>goal is to be happy, to spend time with loved

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<v Speaker 1>one and so forth and so on, technology and whatever else,

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<v Speaker 1>that this course sort of again, this Eurocentric vantage point.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Will their lives be more convenient, sure, But the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason lives need to be more convenient is because lives

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<v Speaker 1>get more stressful with more complex societies. Was more in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of capitalistic forces, et cetera. Right, So there's

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<v Speaker 1>good and bad. Yes, And again for folks that feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>our way of life the only way of life they know,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, our way of life is superior. These

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<v Speaker 1>are not people this guy. I'm confident this guy never

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<v Speaker 1>spent twenty years on a beach and had something to

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<v Speaker 1>compare his life in the USA against. He never you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't live enough lives. None of us are able

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. So that's the only reason why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying this to be able to say our way of

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<v Speaker 1>life is superior. Right, But the insulting nature of the communication,

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<v Speaker 1>like oh, you guys would be still living in mud

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<v Speaker 1>huts with bones in your nose is if we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come and rescue you from the continent of Africa. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, again those people that talk about slavery, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys sold yourselves in slavery. Your people sold you

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<v Speaker 1>in slavery. And you know, he mentioned that slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>practiced in African It absolutely was. These are not things

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<v Speaker 1>that we've ever refuted on this show. But we have

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how chattel slavery in this country was very

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<v Speaker 1>different many times, and the types of slavery that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find in African countries and in many parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't mean that if you have a child, that your

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<v Speaker 1>child is a slave too, and you've created a slave race.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the black people that you see exist to

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<v Speaker 1>serve you. And if you are born black, your whole

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<v Speaker 1>life is based around servitude. That's not a real thing

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere else. I mean, sure, and probably small isolated pockets

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<v Speaker 1>of gross individuals, but not a whole country and the

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<v Speaker 1>birth of a country based off of that sin. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people who want to rewrite history. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people who want to whitewatches, or there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who sincerely feel like what it is that they are

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<v Speaker 1>saying makes sense. And specifically, again in this example, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to rewind time where black people never left Africa

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, you're rewinding again a lot of colonialism, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the colonization of Africa. Africa is a very different place.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted me to watch this movie, and I sent

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<v Speaker 1>him a response to that too. I'll spare the details

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<v Speaker 1>of it. You don't need to watch the movie, But

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<v Speaker 1>long and short of it is that the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happened to the native Americans in this country is

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing that's happened to a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>African countries, where there are these European colonists who lie,

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<v Speaker 1>violate treaties, contracts, deals, agreements, whatever, and then they stomp

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<v Speaker 1>out revolutions and Africa is littered with them. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you get people like him who get to point a

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<v Speaker 1>finger and say, look at what badest shape Africa's in.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't you glad we rescued you from that. No, you

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<v Speaker 1>did that to Africa and you did this to us,

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<v Speaker 1>and you are the bad guy in a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>people's story than you realize, and we are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>build a bridge for you to come back because we

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<v Speaker 1>are still your brothers. One of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>say on the show, and then I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>get your thoughts ahead and jump in. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I say on the show, I'm sorry. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to say obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't apologize. I am not eager to jump in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be pleasant. Yeah, well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's that. It comes with the territory. But one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things, again that we have talked about time and

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<v Speaker 2>again on the show is that you know, for.

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<v Speaker 1>People that really feel like, you know, we we like.

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity is a gift people that feel and Christianity, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, also was in Africa before the United States

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<v Speaker 1>of America even existed. It was not a gift to

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<v Speaker 1>African people. And again this all happened before there were cars,

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<v Speaker 1>so everybody walked everywhere and exchanged ideas on the continent

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<v Speaker 1>of Africa. For people that feel like Africa was doomed

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<v Speaker 1>without realizing their place and their ancestors' role in the equation,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very narrow minded and short sighted, and it fails

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<v Speaker 1>to account for an alternate version of reality where Africa

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed Africans could have continued to thrive. Mansa musas

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<v Speaker 1>from Africa. The most complex society the world has ever known, historical, ancient,

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<v Speaker 1>historical society the world has ever known is in Africa. Proper.

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<v Speaker 1>Show me where Egypt is on a map, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>show you Africa. Okay, Black people walk there, they're painted

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<v Speaker 1>on the hieroglyphs. People they were called Nubians because that

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<v Speaker 1>was the land right and in Sub Saharan Africa too,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of there's a lot of architecture that

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<v Speaker 1>exists there that's even older than the Pyramids, as I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in Sudan and Ethiopia, brilliant masterpiece, these great works

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<v Speaker 1>of art that exist even right now. You can go

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<v Speaker 1>and visit them. But for some people it's mud huts. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So with that level of brilliance. And again, these people

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<v Speaker 1>from Greece, these people from from Rome and different places

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<v Speaker 1>in Italy went to Africa to learn, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>took this information back and passed it off as their own.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the origin stories of Christianity indeed comes

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<v Speaker 1>from African stories. Again, for folks that are interested, check

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<v Speaker 1>out Tony Browner. He will give you all of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can read any one of his books. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are all these sites, all of his sources. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all there. These aren't conspiracy theorists. I'm not given his

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories. These are facts. And yet and still I

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<v Speaker 1>push for us to be brothers. Black people are the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest people, the first people. That makes us the big brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that sometimes our little brothers act crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're still a little brothers and we still love them.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, That was what I wanted to say. Go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>shure you people.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent most of this segment angry reading the language

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who I could be standing across the room

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<v Speaker 2>from at the mall, the grocery store, the library, and

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<v Speaker 2>who I'm not certain but almost certain I greet with

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<v Speaker 2>a smile, ahead, nod, a hello, and at this date,

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<v Speaker 2>still early enough in the year, a happy new year.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how you are she because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that Max Power is a man or a woman. So

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<v Speaker 2>I would look at me and think he or his

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<v Speaker 2>people would still be living in mud huts if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't for us. And the disdain that comes with that

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<v Speaker 2>way of thinking, because that's not a singular thought, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of an entire Still, you know, I make

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fuss about the lack of quote unquote progress,

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<v Speaker 2>this utopia that everybody thinks we have a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>reach one day that I'm convinced that we don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry to say that we get there plainly, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>we just we're almost polarized in that regard, and and

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<v Speaker 2>things like this kind of prove it, right. The gift

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<v Speaker 2>of what we gave you written language. What are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about? You're talking to me in English? I'm not certain,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure if our research that I learned, English

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<v Speaker 2>might be the youngest of the languages and written language,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said. And you know, the northern Africa and

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<v Speaker 2>the Persian Gulf, the Middle East existed before Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, while we're here, before they cut

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<v Speaker 1>that Suez Canal there that was all part of the

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<v Speaker 1>same land, masks and people walked around, so yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>were black people there too.

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<v Speaker 2>The ram just said that he thinks that there was

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<v Speaker 2>some forge of brotherhood in this single conversation with the

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<v Speaker 2>person that would refer to us as you people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we might be a little closer. Sure, we might

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<v Speaker 1>be a little closer. And you know what closer is

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<v Speaker 1>better than further, right, So, man, Max Power, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the engagement because I don't consider that a waste. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get there, as I mentioned in my comment, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>there one day, and I do hope to see you there.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll leave it right there. So that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it for us. On this episode of CIVI excipher

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening. Once again, I'm your host, Ramsy's jaw.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Ramsy's jaw with his boundless grace. I am

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<v Speaker 1>q Ward.

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<v Speaker 2>You know not angry, but you know, hurt by this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that there are brothers and sisters in this world

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<v Speaker 2>that see us, perpetually us beneath them, simply because of

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of melon in our skin. No matter how

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<v Speaker 2>much more decent I would be than someone who would

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<v Speaker 2>wish you harm, the whiteness of that person's skin would

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<v Speaker 2>give them more grace from you than me. And that

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<v Speaker 2>is a really, really unfair and really cruel reality to

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<v Speaker 2>have to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I go, let's once again shout out, uh, what's

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<v Speaker 1>his name? Chandler Hughes. There he is, six year old,

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant genius. Until next week, y'all. Peace,