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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Says, It's another Tuesday edition of Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com as we sit
Speaker 1: through the entirety of this Dallas Cowboys offseason and what
Speaker 1: has been a crazy offseason for the Dallas Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: we are going to continue to do our best to
Speaker 1: break it down for you as we near the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty hopefully training camp coming up in late July. Once again,
Speaker 1: the Talking Cowboys crew, Rob Philip Harrison, Isaiah stand Back,
Speaker 1: our residence, super Bowl Champion, and myself Kyle Yeoman's all
Speaker 1: socially distant from our respective SWBC Mortgage studios and guys,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I feel like we get the
Speaker 1: short end of the stick every now and again whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the timing of our show being on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: I love the Tuesday slot, but it always seems like
Speaker 1: the top storylines and the fun things with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this offseason happened either Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday or Thursday because
Speaker 1: last week. It was really kind of quiet leading up
Speaker 1: into Tuesday, and then Tuesday afternoon, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Alden Smith is reinstated, and now the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: little bit more depth at that right defensive in spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can clap for that. Yeah, we've got Alden Smith back.
Speaker 1: But then you've got the Jamal Adams fun that happens
Speaker 1: later in the week. But heck, we're kind of on
Speaker 1: the short end here in terms of the timing of
Speaker 1: us talking about this stuff in that jacked up man,
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I mean, we have got
Speaker 1: to get in the news cycle that happens before Tuesday,
Speaker 1: so we have something to talk about, but everybody else
Speaker 1: kind of but by the time it gets to us,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still muddy in the water. We're dragging
Speaker 1: that same topic. But at the same time, we make
Speaker 1: it so fun. It looks so good. Oh. I like that,
Speaker 1: it sounds so good because we've got guys like Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips on the line as well. Because Rob, I mean,
Speaker 1: you were pretty quick on that Aldon Smith news last week,
Speaker 1: and we even kind of alluded to it going into
Speaker 1: the deal. Yeah, and you know what, it is a
Speaker 1: situation where the Cowboys had to wait for the NFL's
Speaker 1: timing to get it done. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: really knew when it was going to happen, or for
Speaker 1: sure it was going to happen, because it just comes
Speaker 1: down to what Roger Goodell wants to do at his discretion.
Speaker 1: But I heard some applause from somebody on the crew,
Speaker 1: and that's well founded because this is a guy that
Speaker 1: has forty seven and a half sacks in fifty nine
Speaker 1: career games, and I don't think they're asking him to
Speaker 1: be a nineteen and a half sack guy like he
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco. Just just moneyball this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: the movie with Brad pet just help piece together what
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn did for them last season. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of the key, is to have a guy like old
Speaker 1: and Smith come in and not necessarily be an all pro.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get that same type of player like
Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco, as Rob just alluded to.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have somebody who's gonna be a
Speaker 1: part of a team and bring some experience, bring some
Speaker 1: leadership into that locker room. In Isaiah, you're the one
Speaker 1: that's been in a locker room like that. What's it
Speaker 1: like maybe playing with a player knowing that a guy
Speaker 1: has taken some time off at least gotten a broad
Speaker 1: view of football and being able to bring that into
Speaker 1: his game. Yeah, I think he's gonna be coming in. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be free. You know. That's that's number one.
Speaker 1: He said it. Man has had a lot of time.
Speaker 1: He got as we like to say, he has fresh legs,
Speaker 1: you know, so we gotta fear of fresh legs coming
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I think with his pass, I
Speaker 1: think he'll probably come in and be a lot more
Speaker 1: mute than than you probably typically would from a VET.
Speaker 1: So he'll come in because he knows he has to
Speaker 1: reestab himself as a player, and he has to re
Speaker 1: establish himself as a leader, especially in a new locker room.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, he comes in, he come
Speaker 1: in with all that experience, and I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great thing. But you know, and then he'll
Speaker 1: probably just be quiet and just let his game play,
Speaker 1: you know, show a short self. Hey, I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that I piggyback off of what you just said, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: because I feel the same way about Aldon Smith. I
Speaker 1: think there's this what if associated with him and also
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and the you know, being reinstated. But I
Speaker 1: know for a lot of people there is the five
Speaker 1: year layoff and people just wondering how effective it is
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith's gonna be. For me, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that five years, Yeah, he's gonna be a little rusty,
Speaker 1: but for the position that he plays, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be as much of a lag as most people are thinking.
Speaker 1: I think if he played a skill position like maybe
Speaker 1: receiver or running back or even dB, that five year
Speaker 1: a layoff maybe you know, may have affected his game. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting him to come back and maybe be
Speaker 1: and I wish, I hope he's a that guy. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I just think him being effective
Speaker 1: and also looking at Randy Gregory as well going into
Speaker 1: the fold, guys, I just have a lot of hope
Speaker 1: for this position because I feel as though we are
Speaker 1: going to have a great opportunity with Alvin Smith in
Speaker 1: this defense and we'll get into that right defensive spot,
Speaker 1: defensive end spot rather a little bit later on than
Speaker 1: the show. Now, this is gonna be a fun show.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a lot of the trouble spots of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. We're gonna answer a lot of your
Speaker 1: questions the defensive line, tight end position, and also the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: We're going to go through all three of those positions
Speaker 1: in depth over the course of the next hour. So
Speaker 1: stick around because we've got plenty of stuff to go
Speaker 1: along with. But sticking with this defensive line. Last week,
Speaker 1: we kind of compared Tank Lawrence as one of those guys,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence as the leader on that defense, somebody that
Speaker 1: needs to step up after having a little bit of
Speaker 1: a down here. Now he was coming off of shoulders surgery,
Speaker 1: kind of got off to a slow start, only had
Speaker 1: single digit sacks. Can he get back to that double
Speaker 1: digit sacks? Sure's I'm sure that's on. That's the docket
Speaker 1: for Tank Lawrence, But Rob I kind of want to
Speaker 1: ask about just the factor of him being a leader
Speaker 1: with a lot of these younger guys and veterans all
Speaker 1: kind of meshing together. Noville Gallimore, Don Terry Poe, you
Speaker 1: got Jerry McCoy that's now in the middle of that
Speaker 1: defensive line, Bradley and I on the other side, what
Speaker 1: kind of role is tank Lawrence going to have in
Speaker 1: terms of bringing those two groups together. Well, that's a
Speaker 1: great point. I think he's got to be more of
Speaker 1: that vocal guy on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: and I think that was kind of a new role
Speaker 1: for him last year. I think they they put that
Speaker 1: on him to be more of that locker room presence.
Speaker 1: I think talking to him last year, I think from
Speaker 1: a production standpoint for him, one of the issues he
Speaker 1: had was the time he missed coming off the surgery
Speaker 1: and training camp, and I one thing for him was
Speaker 1: the technical side of things, just working on his moves,
Speaker 1: his counters. He just know if his timing was what
Speaker 1: it normally is, and it took him a few weeks
Speaker 1: to get going on it. I know he faces double
Speaker 1: teams and the guy's efforts down after down is so
Speaker 1: good that I think his production you really have to
Speaker 1: watch the tape back to see what he does beyond
Speaker 1: just what the sacks are. But to your point, yes,
Speaker 1: he's a vocal guy, but needs to be. But another
Speaker 1: guy that they need to get back for two reasons
Speaker 1: on the field off the field is Tyrone Cross. That
Speaker 1: is that is a guy that that DeMarcus has leaned
Speaker 1: on for years and he can be so valuable to
Speaker 1: them in terms of giving them reps at a couple
Speaker 1: of different spots, but also bringing along those younger guys.
Speaker 1: Like you said, he did it again, Robin again. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it's it's true. I mean
Speaker 1: that that was a big void left in as far
Speaker 1: as the leadership on the defensive line, and I think
Speaker 1: to take Lawrence again, to your point, Rob has had
Speaker 1: to fill those shoes. But guys, don't fool yourself. I mean,
Speaker 1: most offensive coordinators have to identify where Tank Lawrence is
Speaker 1: because he is a game plan wrecker. If you look
Speaker 1: at last season, you know teams were not just leaving
Speaker 1: him by himself on an island. They were shipping him,
Speaker 1: double teaming him. And they're gonna have to do the
Speaker 1: same thing this year. But the difference is is that
Speaker 1: you have a guy in Done Terry Poe that is
Speaker 1: also going to have to be double teamed as well.
Speaker 1: And so if you relegate or just say hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna have my center be on Done Terry Poe
Speaker 1: by myself, it's gonna be a long NiFe for whoever
Speaker 1: that person is, because Done Terry Poe is a big
Speaker 1: human person. He's big and so person you have to
Speaker 1: double you have to double team him. But that also
Speaker 1: leads me to Gerald McCoy. Gerald McCoy once upon a
Speaker 1: time was a bad man in this league and people
Speaker 1: said they put some respect on his name when they
Speaker 1: talk about Gerald McCoy. And now, I mean, and like
Speaker 1: most things that happened with you know, contracts guys, he
Speaker 1: ended up leaving Tampa because of his contract and went
Speaker 1: to play in Carolina. And if you look at that
Speaker 1: tape from last year and Carolina, I mean that team
Speaker 1: was getting their doors blown off, but still Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that was still giving it,
Speaker 1: giving it to that team, whistle to whistle. And so
Speaker 1: for him, I know that, yeah, he's a serviceable guy
Speaker 1: at this point, but he comes in with a chip
Speaker 1: on his shoulder and he's gonna have plenty of opportunity
Speaker 1: to show everyone what he has left in the tank
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have a one on one matchup and
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to beat it. Y'all killed it, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, d d Law is gonna do what d
Speaker 1: Law does, you know? And now he just has he
Speaker 1: has a partner with him, right. Obviously, we want Crawford
Speaker 1: to come back. We want him to come back healthy
Speaker 1: and ready to roll, take care of business as that
Speaker 1: vet as that voice on that defensive line. But you
Speaker 1: just got all the Smith back. You just got Smith
Speaker 1: back off his suspension, and this dude paired up with
Speaker 1: is going to be a serious problem, you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much people out there, Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: y'all need to recognize that this d line is about
Speaker 1: to be what I like to call McNasty. Okay, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all need to recognize this is about to be serious,
Speaker 1: because I as heck, just a point to just attest
Speaker 1: it to. You got two dogs in the middle. You
Speaker 1: cannot isole these guys in the middle. You have to
Speaker 1: you have one of those guys gonna have one on
Speaker 1: one one of them, right, So you pick your poison,
Speaker 1: McCoy or Poe. Either way, it's gonna be an ill
Speaker 1: all right, And then you got you have opportunity to
Speaker 1: put those other dogs to go eat on the outside.
Speaker 1: I am really looking forward to seeing these guys get
Speaker 1: after the ball and quarterback. I think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a heck, of a time, and I really, honestly, whole
Speaker 1: truly believed that they're gonna have a two line rotation
Speaker 1: and keep these guys fresh. Well, this is over nasty, nasty.
Speaker 1: I love that I see, but I want to kind
Speaker 1: of look from a maybe a skeptical perspective here. I
Speaker 1: want to throw a wrench into things, because on paper
Speaker 1: looks great. You've got these these big names. Gerald McCoy,
Speaker 1: like heckmone was saying earlier, Hey, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: name that people recognize. He was a household name early
Speaker 1: in his career. He's still on the backside of his career.
Speaker 1: The same thing for Don try Poe. You can maybe
Speaker 1: even say the same thing for Tyrone Crawford at the
Speaker 1: same point. So all of these names are great, But
Speaker 1: is this defensive line certainly better than it was last year?
Speaker 1: Because I just want to hear what you think, because yes,
Speaker 1: you've added those guys, but you also lost Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: who's a double double sack guy or a double digit
Speaker 1: sack guy. You have Malee Collins that's now gone and
Speaker 1: up to Las Vegas almost said Oakland there, but Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: So why is this defensive so much about it, man,
Speaker 1: stop it. Tell me why, Isaiah, tell me why? On
Speaker 1: a d line, man, we're talking about all pro goons.
Speaker 1: When you turn to film on and you got dude
Speaker 1: sitting in the film room, you circle those two dogs
Speaker 1: in the middle, and then you circle them guys on
Speaker 1: the outside of said these guys are going to eat.
Speaker 1: Who are you going to stop? If you want to
Speaker 1: If you want to try to run the ball, good luck.
Speaker 1: Try to move all that man in the middle right.
Speaker 1: If you want to try to pass the ball, them
Speaker 1: dudes are gonna put their ears back and they're coming.
Speaker 1: And matter of fact, and guess what, even if you
Speaker 1: want to try to play it safe, you still got
Speaker 1: three dogs sitting right behind those guys and leave vander
Speaker 1: ash and Smith. So listen, this front seven is sick.
Speaker 1: I can't wait you talk. I know you're talking about
Speaker 1: the last year's guys. Respect to them. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: We doing what you do. But this we have we
Speaker 1: have Hey just like just like Beyonce said, let me
Speaker 1: upgrade you. That's what just happened, and that's what weak
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we got. Isais we got, we
Speaker 1: got upgraded. But Kyle, let me tell you this man
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Man, nobody likes the devil's advocate. All Right,
Speaker 1: that's okay, somebody's got to play that role. I got
Speaker 1: to ask the questions, and that's trying to be wrong.
Speaker 1: I love it, uh, you know, and I think that
Speaker 1: you have to look at what we have behind the
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore is going to be a killer. I just
Speaker 1: believe that he is going to be a spark club
Speaker 1: for this defensive line. And the fact that coach Thom
Speaker 1: Seweler has talked heavily and interviews about having guys in
Speaker 1: rotation and so look last year's team, last year's defensive line,
Speaker 1: and we talked about this a little bit last week.
Speaker 1: It's these guys were a lot smaller than the guys
Speaker 1: that you had, and so they had their skill set
Speaker 1: was one of having to be quick, get out the way,
Speaker 1: and get up the field. These guys present a different
Speaker 1: challenge because look, man, when you have a guy like
Speaker 1: done Terry Pole, that's again getting that double team. It's
Speaker 1: really hard for the guard to release off on those linebackers.
Speaker 1: And if you reach, we teach right and so decisively.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I believe that's gonna be That's
Speaker 1: the upgrade, right, that's the upgrade and the defense because
Speaker 1: you have guys that are gonna be there and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be solid in the middle of our defense. And
Speaker 1: it just it just the backdoor, which you just said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want everybody out there in Cowboys they to imagine
Speaker 1: I don't want you guys to imagine that you guys
Speaker 1: are a starting center for whatever team. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Let's call it the Giants. Right, you're a starting center.
Speaker 1: You gotta all pro dudes sitting in the a gap
Speaker 1: by the name of McCoy right, sitting right there, even
Speaker 1: if he's head up on you on your guard, he's
Speaker 1: right there, right next to you. And then you have
Speaker 1: this dude named Po who just happens to be maybe
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pounds. Okay, no, he's not only
Speaker 1: is he in the gap, but he has angled his
Speaker 1: helmet lined up directly at your shoulder, right, so as
Speaker 1: soon as you snap the ball, as soon as he
Speaker 1: sees that ball move, he is putting both hands on
Speaker 1: one of your shoulders. That he's going one direction. That
Speaker 1: proposes a problem, and that it was you guys. You
Speaker 1: can look forward to see him, Isaiah, I do. I'll
Speaker 1: put I was going to just go back real quickly
Speaker 1: off of what Isaiah said, But you said all pro,
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy, you think he's going to be an All
Speaker 1: Pro this year? You're saying in twenty thirteen he was
Speaker 1: an All Pro because I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's going to be an All Pro as a Dallas Cowboy,
Speaker 1: he's on the back end of his career. I think
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade based off of what they've had in
Speaker 1: the past, just based off of the size, the speedy
Speaker 1: of the athleticism, which is still better than I think
Speaker 1: maybe an Anton Woods or Amothly Collins. I think he's
Speaker 1: an upgrade. I think he is. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be an All Pro. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we can tap him as a twenty twenty All Pro.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, he was a household name. I
Speaker 1: just don't have sense the case. So in so in
Speaker 1: the locker room, let me go ahead and give you
Speaker 1: guys a little a look behind the veil. Okay, in
Speaker 1: the locker room, what's your All Pro? You're All Pro?
Speaker 1: That's your naw, yeah, you're you're you're title you got.
Speaker 1: It's all your resume, and there is no question about it.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're All Pro your first year
Speaker 1: and you're in year twenty, you still all Pro. All right.
Speaker 1: So to answer your question in terms of him being
Speaker 1: able to make it this year, I honestly see this
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense having five to six All Pro players on
Speaker 1: his defense this year. Yeah. Wow, ye what I said.
Speaker 1: That's right. I'm gonna write that down really quickly. Tell
Speaker 1: you put it on there, Put it on there. I
Speaker 1: think we have a real opportunity with this group that
Speaker 1: they put together, with this defensive coordinator that they have,
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be in position to make a
Speaker 1: lot of plays that they wouldn't have been in before.
Speaker 1: That's that's the key right there that I think you
Speaker 1: just nailed. Because the scheme has to ye set the
Speaker 1: players up, and that's why they made a change because
Speaker 1: I think I think with the last regime a lot
Speaker 1: of it was this is what we do, and we're
Speaker 1: not gonna do a lot of pre snap disguising and
Speaker 1: we're just gonna try to beat you at the snap
Speaker 1: after snap, and I think, yeah, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: try to scheme things up a little bit more. But Kyle,
Speaker 1: I'll play Devil's advocate with you a little bit. I know,
Speaker 1: I like this, Heck, I like it. First of all.
Speaker 1: I'll say they are I think they are upgraded in
Speaker 1: the middle of the defensive line. I do think if
Speaker 1: you don't, but I did. I did get curious and
Speaker 1: I went back and I was trying to figure out
Speaker 1: why Carolina with Don, Terry Coo and Gerald McCoy were
Speaker 1: twenty ninth against the run last year. I mean that that.
Speaker 1: You know, you just look at the stats and you're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what what happened there? Happen? And I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot like it's like, it
Speaker 1: was a lot like what happened with the Cowboys last year.
Speaker 1: You had guys kind of playing out of position at times,
Speaker 1: not technical sound, trying to make tackles, and there they
Speaker 1: were a gap control defense that didn't always fill the
Speaker 1: gaps properly. I don't know if you can put that
Speaker 1: all on Don, Terry Poe and Gerald McCoy, but they
Speaker 1: were part of a defense that didn't have success last year.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, they lost some guys. They
Speaker 1: shifted some guys around Kuan Short wasn't there, so I
Speaker 1: know that's a double's advocate type of thinking. Is well,
Speaker 1: what happened to that group last year? I don't think
Speaker 1: you could put it all on them, but man, they
Speaker 1: do need those two guys to be rock solid against
Speaker 1: the run, because I said it last week. When this
Speaker 1: defense does not stop the run, they have problems. They
Speaker 1: have big problems that kind of leaks out to the
Speaker 1: rest of the group. And I'm glad that earlier in
Speaker 1: this segment, Heckma brought up the Bill Gallimore because I
Speaker 1: think on the back end of Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe,
Speaker 1: you've got a young gun that could end up being
Speaker 1: an All pro as Dallas cowboy, because he is going
Speaker 1: to be may be a surprise. He was a value
Speaker 1: pick in the third round. Whenever he fell to you
Speaker 1: at eighty two, that was when you were high fiving
Speaker 1: those around you because you knew he was going to
Speaker 1: have a star on the side of his helmet and
Speaker 1: hackmaner you brought him up. But what kind of role
Speaker 1: does he have to play? And while we're talking about
Speaker 1: rookies on the defensive line, you've got a couple at
Speaker 1: the end spots too, Bradley and I who was a
Speaker 1: draft pick, and also he got Ladarius Hamilton and the
Speaker 1: James Madison Rondelle Carter who also was an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: You've got a heavy room of rookies on that defensive line. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I believe that. The first question about Naval Gallimore, I
Speaker 1: think this kid can come in and play freely because
Speaker 1: he has so much of a presence in the league,
Speaker 1: and so I think that it's important for him to
Speaker 1: get into that rotation. But there's a name that we
Speaker 1: keep forgetting to mention, and that's Tristan Hill. It's a
Speaker 1: guy in this second year that also will benefit by
Speaker 1: having these guys in front of him and teaching him
Speaker 1: the ropes, and not that they didn't last year. I
Speaker 1: just feel as though it's gonna be he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a better room. But also, again the right end, we
Speaker 1: put a lot of that concentration on what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do? What are we gonna do? Guys, guy, the
Speaker 1: guy that may start at your right end position may
Speaker 1: not even be on your roster right now, so that
Speaker 1: that that may be another thing for you to have to,
Speaker 1: you know, putting your pipe and smoke and understand that. Look,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of changes yet to still be made,
Speaker 1: but I believe Nevill Gallimore Hill and also Antoine Hoods
Speaker 1: will may play a large role in your defensive line rotation.
Speaker 1: But also a name that we have to remember as
Speaker 1: far as the right edge, and that's a no. The
Speaker 1: rookie he's gonna make he is going to be thrust
Speaker 1: into this defense and put in a position to excel. Also,
Speaker 1: I think that he has a special skill set and
Speaker 1: he's a hunter. If you go back, you understand that
Speaker 1: this kid is all about, you know, aggression and coming
Speaker 1: after the quarterback. I look for this Cowboys defense to
Speaker 1: have a lot of fire and also be able to
Speaker 1: have that rotation where there's not a falloff when they
Speaker 1: bring in that second that second group. Yeah, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're a young player and you got some you
Speaker 1: have some vets in front of you that are that
Speaker 1: are you know, highly touted guys. Your job is to
Speaker 1: simply come in and bring energy. That's that's your draw
Speaker 1: your roles to come in not mess anything up. First
Speaker 1: of all, come in be we're supposed to be. Do
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do, and do it at one
Speaker 1: hundred miles per hour. Right and give me, give me
Speaker 1: one or two plays and get out of there, right
Speaker 1: and let me come in right and learn the tempo
Speaker 1: of the game, learn the pace of the game. Watch right,
Speaker 1: watch those reps. You know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 1: have opportunity to rotate and you're playing against you're playing
Speaker 1: against the starting five old line there. They don't they
Speaker 1: don't sub out, right, So you're playing against the best
Speaker 1: that every team has. When you come in right, you
Speaker 1: might be the second best of what you're on your team,
Speaker 1: but you're playing against the best that the other opposing
Speaker 1: team has. So it's very important for those guys just
Speaker 1: learn what they're learning, what they're supposed to do, come
Speaker 1: out and just give it a because literally, that's all
Speaker 1: the expectation is of you. Just don't mess up and
Speaker 1: give me all the energy you have. I thought, heck,
Speaker 1: you've brought up a good point about Antoine Woods. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a guy that's dealt with a lot of injuries
Speaker 1: off and on the last couple of years of maybe
Speaker 1: playing fewer snaps will allow him to be fresher and
Speaker 1: more productive. But I agree with what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm excited to see the Canadian bulldozer
Speaker 1: man Neville Gallimore. I think that guy, he's for his size,
Speaker 1: that is an athletic up the field from the middle
Speaker 1: of the line. I mean, I think that's that's actually
Speaker 1: a guy they was in consideration at fifty eight, so
Speaker 1: to get him at eighty two, they are really happy
Speaker 1: about that. And they also think he might be there's
Speaker 1: room to grow coming from Canada not playing at a
Speaker 1: high level of football early in his career. They think
Speaker 1: he's got, you know, some more upside to go. He's
Speaker 1: definitely got some upside. And it's kind of tough talking
Speaker 1: about a rookie class, like we have been talking about
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, Treyvon Diggs, Neville Gallimore all making an impact
Speaker 1: as a rookie. It's it's more likely that not all
Speaker 1: three of those guys have a phenomenal rookie season. If
Speaker 1: they do, then all of a sudden, you're having an
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Rob Phillips, Isaiah Standback, the Great, heck My Harrison,
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's and guys. This past segment, we talked
Speaker 1: about one of the trouble spots for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: at least going into the offseason, which was the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Seemingly they made an improvement there. Now we take a
Speaker 1: look at the tight end spot, and last season was
Speaker 1: the return of Jason Witton after a one year hiatus
Speaker 1: in the Monday Night Football booth. He makes his way back,
Speaker 1: catches a touchdown pass in each of the first two games,
Speaker 1: and then from there it kind of just kind of
Speaker 1: pittered pattern throughout the rest of the season. He has
Speaker 1: now moved on. He has gone to Las Vegas to
Speaker 1: be a part of the John Gruden's Raiders. Now it's
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin's turn to be tight end number one, four years,
Speaker 1: twenty two million dollar deal, and guys, my question is
Speaker 1: what kind of jump can we expect from Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: rob because last year he kind of was back into
Speaker 1: that tight end too slot. Now he's got a chance
Speaker 1: to really improve and really take off. Well. I would hope,
Speaker 1: I would think they would hope he could, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe double his production or a guy that's played, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe thirty percent of the snaps. I think he might
Speaker 1: have been under that a little bit last year to
Speaker 1: being the guy as you said, And there's parts of
Speaker 1: his game that he needs to work on, or you know,
Speaker 1: the blocking part of it. He's not necessarily known for
Speaker 1: as much that something Witten was good even late in
Speaker 1: his career as a blocker, but I think we know
Speaker 1: what he's good at. What he's really good at is
Speaker 1: stretching the field, being a down the field vertical threat
Speaker 1: from the tight end spot. And I kind of like
Speaker 1: in this a little bit too. And I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: the two players, but I kind of like in it too.
Speaker 1: When Miles Austin took over as the starting wide receiver
Speaker 1: here after you know, a couple of years of being
Speaker 1: a deserve and there's a difference between playing a few
Speaker 1: snaps a game and having a few targets a game
Speaker 1: to being the guy that everybody's game planning for. And
Speaker 1: to me, that's what I'm looking for the most is
Speaker 1: how he handles defense is gunning for him this year
Speaker 1: because he's been kind of a spot player and now
Speaker 1: he's going to be the featured guy. And Miles was
Speaker 1: able to make that transition because he played behind guys
Speaker 1: like t O and Roy Williams that taught him how
Speaker 1: to prepare and I think he learned that from Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine, but but it is
Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment for him. Heck, okay, you know, look,
Speaker 1: I feel like this when it comes down to Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: It's it's the gift and the curse of curse of
Speaker 1: having Jason Witten playing behind Jason Witten. And the gift
Speaker 1: is is that you get the compliment pros showed you
Speaker 1: how to prepare, like Rob just alluded to. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, what is the mind state
Speaker 1: of Blake Jarwin. I mean last year, well two years ago, uh,
Speaker 1: Witton retired and he was basically given the keys to
Speaker 1: the tight end room. And then okay, Jason's back, right,
Speaker 1: and so now now you're playing the role of number
Speaker 1: two behind look all pro one of the better receivers
Speaker 1: to ever play the game, one of the better tight
Speaker 1: ends to ever played the game of football. And so
Speaker 1: checking the mind state also of Blake jarwinns important. I
Speaker 1: think that he's had an ample opportunity, uh to be
Speaker 1: the guy at tight end. But also with Blake Bell,
Speaker 1: I think, and I've said this before, I think it's
Speaker 1: the combination of them both together that's gonna be that
Speaker 1: one tight end. And also guys then the undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent we got from Michigan McKinnon, the guy that you
Speaker 1: know from Michigan who played in Jim Harball and Harball's offense.
Speaker 1: I like this kid. I think he's a you know,
Speaker 1: pretty sturdy blocker but also a great receiver. So look,
Speaker 1: we had as far as Blake Jarwin, I know the
Speaker 1: question was about him. I think obviously that he's gonna
Speaker 1: make that jump, but there are just some things. If
Speaker 1: I'll playing the Devil's advocate, guys, I think that he
Speaker 1: has some things in this game as far as blocking
Speaker 1: is concerned that makes you worried. Well, last year he
Speaker 1: was sixty fifth of sixty nine tight ends on Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus in his run blocking grade sixty fifth of
Speaker 1: sixty nine. Isaiah, that's not necessarily the rating you would want.
Speaker 1: It's not the rating you want. But like you guys
Speaker 1: attested to, you know, he had that dude in front
Speaker 1: of him named Jason Witten, and he didn't have them
Speaker 1: to be the great blocker, right, So he played his
Speaker 1: position last year. This year he got cashed out all right,
Speaker 1: So he is going to be expected. There's a level
Speaker 1: of excellence is now comes with his name. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure that out. And yes, run blocking
Speaker 1: will be a part of it because they can't just
Speaker 1: sub Blake in every time they want to block. No,
Speaker 1: that's going to Sona. He's gonna learn. He's got to
Speaker 1: learn how to be that guy that can move the
Speaker 1: dog and move some men off the ball. And it
Speaker 1: might be rough for him, especially not having OTAs that sucks, right,
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to figure that out. He's had
Speaker 1: to figure it out quick because they are going to
Speaker 1: come out with him in the game. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: a dude by the name Ezekiel Elliott behind him and
Speaker 1: freaky Zeki is going to expect that dude to move
Speaker 1: some men off the ball because they just paid him
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So he's got he'll he'll figure
Speaker 1: that out. In terms of expectation in the passing game,
Speaker 1: I think he has to improve upon his route running.
Speaker 1: You know, we know that he has the juice and
Speaker 1: he can get down field. But listen, we got three
Speaker 1: dudes on the out there a receiver now that have juice.
Speaker 1: So do we really need somebody that can stretch the
Speaker 1: field from the inside position. No, we really need somebody
Speaker 1: who can get open underneath. So he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: work on that aspect of his game because I think
Speaker 1: that his role and what he's what he considers you
Speaker 1: know himself confident in and in an area that he
Speaker 1: excels in, He's gonna have to then timple that down
Speaker 1: and focus his attention on being a typical tight end
Speaker 1: and works in anywhere from five to twelve yards. And
Speaker 1: that's one thing that Jason Witton always provided Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: but even up to at the end of his career,
Speaker 1: was a reliable target underneath that. F Dak Prescott got
Speaker 1: in trouble and he had to get flushed out of
Speaker 1: the pocket or he was under pressure, he could dump
Speaker 1: it off and he knew that eighty two was within reach.
Speaker 1: That's something that maybe doesn't fit necessarily into the bread
Speaker 1: basket of what Blake Jarwin brings to the table as
Speaker 1: a tight end. But Isaiah, you made a point a
Speaker 1: little bit ago of him being behind Jason Witton not
Speaker 1: having to be that run blocker, even though his braid
Speaker 1: was very low. It was interesting the disbursement of snaps
Speaker 1: that Blake Jarwin had last year. I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at it. Right at the beginning of a year,
Speaker 1: they were pretty even between pass blocking snaps and run blocking,
Speaker 1: But as you went along and the season continued, his
Speaker 1: run blocking snaps started to shrink considerably to the point
Speaker 1: where he still had more run blocking snaps by the
Speaker 1: end of the season, just not as much as he
Speaker 1: did really at the beginning of the year. Whenever they
Speaker 1: were pretty much even all the way throughout. Now, Rob
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to this contract that Blake Jarwin ended
Speaker 1: up getting from the Dallas Cowboys and a little bit
Speaker 1: of a statement made to Jason Witton about Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna move on from you. We're gonna make Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: are tight end number one. This is money that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily big time gar and team money. However, it is
Speaker 1: something that just still puts that statement out there saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're making you the top guy here. Yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: And like heck, I'm alluded to it. I think he
Speaker 1: might have been in position to be the number one
Speaker 1: guy a year ago. And when Witten came back, the
Speaker 1: way the Fun office kind of looked at it was well,
Speaker 1: we can just kind of kick the can down the
Speaker 1: road a little bit and I evaluate him for another
Speaker 1: year and see how he does, and then if we
Speaker 1: need to go look for a tight end of the draft.
Speaker 1: If Witten moves on the next year, then we can
Speaker 1: do that, and obviously they liked what they saw. Isaiah
Speaker 1: made a good point, you know, I think the reliability part.
Speaker 1: We know what he can do after the catch. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy's average almost twelve yards a catch for his career,
Speaker 1: and he can stretch a field and he's a good
Speaker 1: run after catch guy. But that reliability aspect is so
Speaker 1: key from the tight end position. And I go back,
Speaker 1: I just go back to it. The sample size. He's
Speaker 1: been in a certain role, you know, the first couple
Speaker 1: of years, and there's a big difference when you were
Speaker 1: asking to take on another role and be more involved.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's had more than fIF I don't
Speaker 1: think he's had fid he targets in a season for
Speaker 1: his career. So now there's more ask of him, and
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott needs kind of that safety valve and can
Speaker 1: he be that guy that's going to be the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point. Also, h Rob, that
Speaker 1: safety net for Dak Prescott is very important and the
Speaker 1: load that you're putting on him. Look, here's the other
Speaker 1: part about it is this, and I think Isaiah, you
Speaker 1: were you're you're kind of alluding to this also, and
Speaker 1: also Uh, Kyle that look, you you have certain schemes
Speaker 1: and if you're tempting your hand to say that you
Speaker 1: know Jarwin can't block and he's only in on pass plays,
Speaker 1: then man defense is just gonna pin their ears back
Speaker 1: every time they see him come into the game. And
Speaker 1: so he has to be able to correct that. And
Speaker 1: this COVID nineteen world that we're in man where people
Speaker 1: are where these guys are not able to get those
Speaker 1: reps and get that experience right now leading into a
Speaker 1: very important season or jarwinum. But also I think that
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna the explosion in the tight at the
Speaker 1: tight end position. It's going to be oh to the
Speaker 1: receiving corps that we have, because man, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be able to find those little soft spots in
Speaker 1: the defense. He and just camp out and if Dak
Speaker 1: needs to the play breaks down, Jawin or Bail will
Speaker 1: be available. Well. Travis Kelsey proved last season that you
Speaker 1: can be a tight end in a high powered offense.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not the featured piece of that offense every
Speaker 1: single game, because from time to time it was Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Dirie Hill, it was guys other than Travis Kelsey that
Speaker 1: led that Chief's team to a Super Bowl win. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing Blake jin let's comp the brakes there.
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask Isaiah, what is the
Speaker 1: what is the ceiling for Blake Jarwin? What kind of
Speaker 1: ceiling does this guy have? Because he was undrafted, He's
Speaker 1: still got the frame, he's got the hands, he's got
Speaker 1: the vertical vertical threat ability. I want to know what
Speaker 1: a ceiling is. I mean, I think you just alluded
Speaker 1: to it, right, I mean, he has all the intangibles
Speaker 1: that you want. Um. I think what everybody's waiting to
Speaker 1: see is if he has that that tenacious attitude, that
Speaker 1: that that that get that dog in him that just
Speaker 1: wants to bury somebody in the in the ground. Because
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to find that as we just talked about, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he went from coming in and
Speaker 1: relieving with too now he's working with the offensive alignment
Speaker 1: like that's what you do, right, So when those guys
Speaker 1: make an adjustment on the line because of a certain
Speaker 1: front of the defense presents, he needs to know everything
Speaker 1: that they need to know. He needs to be able
Speaker 1: to block the same people that they have to block right,
Speaker 1: and then oh, by the way, next play, I need
Speaker 1: you to run down the field, you know, twelve yards
Speaker 1: and find and find a hole so that you can
Speaker 1: get you know, that can get you the ball. So
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling, you know, the ceilings whatever whatever
Speaker 1: he wants it to be, because I mean, because he
Speaker 1: has all the intangibles. I think most of the time,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody doesn't have the physical aspect of something
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, maybe they can develop that, right.
Speaker 1: I think for this it's a skill set in terms
Speaker 1: of he needs remps, right, he needs run blocking raps
Speaker 1: in these pass blocking reps because he is going to
Speaker 1: be pass blocking as well. But when you're paying somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, five to six million year, they gonna have
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Yeah. No, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: absolutely correct thing. And I believe that that Jarwin has
Speaker 1: that he has the ability, or else the Cowboys wouldn't
Speaker 1: have have paid him. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: just feel as though, look as far as schemes defenses
Speaker 1: that's coming against this offense, he's gonna have to have
Speaker 1: all of those, uh intangibles. But I think we're putting
Speaker 1: a lot more on Jarwin than we need to because
Speaker 1: they signed Blake Bell as well, and so I just
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not just gonna be the
Speaker 1: Jarwin show. I think that Blake Bell gives that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense that comfort zone with the big body guy
Speaker 1: that's also just as capable as Jarwin if he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel that role in run blocking. You said, right, isaih
Speaker 1: with with with Ezekiel Elio? Now, but say freak Ezekiel
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott. You know what the Cowboys want to do.
Speaker 1: They want to run the ball and they want to
Speaker 1: be dominating uh at running the ball, and that has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the tight end. So Jowin
Speaker 1: is going to have a big responsibility to get that done.
Speaker 1: But if he can't, guys, Blake Bell, that's what he does.
Speaker 1: He's all about that. And so look, it's all about
Speaker 1: how you disguise it. It's all about the way that
Speaker 1: you roll it out so that the defense doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: you don't tip your hand on what you're doing. But
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have the guys in that tight
Speaker 1: end room that can get it done. But but heck,
Speaker 1: just following up on that and Rob, you might have
Speaker 1: a pin on this too? How much two tight ends?
Speaker 1: How mean too tight end sets? You guys really expect
Speaker 1: to see because you're not You're not gonna just totally
Speaker 1: remove you know, if you want to go, I want
Speaker 1: to go eleven Versonnel as much as I absolutely yeah
Speaker 1: with number eight, number eighty eight, the new eighty eight.
Speaker 1: You know that's a good point yep. So I mean
Speaker 1: he's gonna say no regardless of the skill set of Blake,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's ye, that's what he does.
Speaker 1: He blocks, But like when he comes in, he's coming
Speaker 1: in and a two tight end set. You're not taking
Speaker 1: your newly two or twenty plus million dollars man off
Speaker 1: the field, right and putting in a guy that you
Speaker 1: just signed to be the blocker. So when he comes in,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be a two tight end set.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be two receivers. So to your point, route,
Speaker 1: that's why I want to get your apinky. I know,
Speaker 1: I know you want to see eighty eight out there.
Speaker 1: How how often you think that's really gonna happen? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's gonna happen probably five to six
Speaker 1: times a game. Offenses are probably averaging about forty snaps
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, I mean, you're probably right. There probably
Speaker 1: will be less twelve personnel than we've seen from in
Speaker 1: the past, and it probably will come down to him
Speaker 1: being more just a well rounded player, right. Heck makes
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, Blake Bell was signed to
Speaker 1: be more of that probably Witten role, more of that
Speaker 1: utility guy in the line of scrimmage. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they use both guys. I
Speaker 1: still think you've got to use Blake Jarwin's strengths at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, find a way to get
Speaker 1: him in mismatch situations on a line backer things of
Speaker 1: that nature, where he can make plays where you down
Speaker 1: the field, because I think I think he can still
Speaker 1: do that. But to Isaiah's point, he's still got to
Speaker 1: be able to do some of the underneath stuffy work
Speaker 1: and some of the dirty work, because that's a lot.
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Speaker 1: weapons outside that you can go to. You've got plenty
Speaker 1: more weapons than you have had in the past, and
Speaker 1: it's because of all of the improvements that you've ended
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen data whether the handful of franchises get a
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Speaker 1: encouraging to potentially having football back, which is huge. Now
Speaker 1: this is from Yahoo Sports. Sources say it's all just
Speaker 1: a report. We have heard nothing from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: on our end of things in terms of when those
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Speaker 1: heading in I love that man. That is good as
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Speaker 1: of course. Chris Simms this past week thrown out of
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Speaker 1: to another website. Last segment, we talked about Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: There's a full interview up on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
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Speaker 1: A rank them an early ranking of the Cowboys eleven corners,
Speaker 1: and that's where we're going to go into right now,
Speaker 1: the eleven corners for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go through all eleven. We're gonna start at number eight
Speaker 1: and we're gonna work our way through and we're gonna
Speaker 1: agree or disagree. Now, rob out of the four of
Speaker 1: us was the only one that actually contributed to this article.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna really get after Rob if we disagree
Speaker 1: at the point, Okay, head man Isaiah, we're going to
Speaker 1: agree to disagree with Rob Phillips. Now, starting at number eight,
Speaker 1: C J. Goodwin is number eight, number seven, Maurice Kennedy,
Speaker 1: number six, the newly drafted Reggie Robinson, the second fourth
Speaker 1: round pick out of Tulsa, number five, Darryl Worley, an
Speaker 1: acquired free agent, and then at number four, Treyvon Diggs,
Speaker 1: the second round draft pick out of Alabama, number three,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, number two, Cheeto Ewoosier, and number one. This
Speaker 1: one surprised me, Rob, And I'm about to give you
Speaker 1: a chance to give you some give you some of
Speaker 1: this positivity around this number one pick. But Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit unusual. But Jordan Lewis is the
Speaker 1: number one selection. And this is by the Cowboys staff.
Speaker 1: So the guys who have been around and know the
Speaker 1: team the most. Rob, tell me why Jordan Lewis was
Speaker 1: number one. Wait, you didn't like it? Why because he's
Speaker 1: not six five? Right? Done have super long arms and
Speaker 1: all that. It might be something Full disclosure on this list. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is all subject to change. We have no idea
Speaker 1: how this thing is gonna shake out. Hopefully gets started
Speaker 1: in the season. This is as wide open a position
Speaker 1: I can remember, and we actually got the idea for
Speaker 1: doing this because I was talking to Nick about we
Speaker 1: had a debate on this show a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago about trying to figure out who's starting at corner,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you could go a bunch of different directions,
Speaker 1: because they've got a nice mix of young guys and
Speaker 1: established veterans. And that's that's why we went Kyle with
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at number one, just because of the fact
Speaker 1: that despite his size and I know this is kind
Speaker 1: of the same trend as under the Christopher Shark regime.
Speaker 1: He's not six feet tall, he's not a long rangy corner.
Speaker 1: But in terms of guys that have been around and
Speaker 1: have been productive, he took advantage of his opportunities last year,
Speaker 1: and I think his experience at least at this point
Speaker 1: point with no in person workouts and everything, puts him
Speaker 1: in the top spot. But there's opportunity for other guys
Speaker 1: clearly to step up. They drafted two corners, so guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have opportunity to win jobs. But we just
Speaker 1: felt like Lewis what he did last year and being
Speaker 1: familiar with with this this franchise and being productive here
Speaker 1: I think carried the day. Rob Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this man, Why didn't Jordan Lewis get the opportunity as
Speaker 1: many opportunities last season? I mean, everybody always speaks so
Speaker 1: highly about him and what he does, And I mean,
Speaker 1: is it just that he's an All Valley ranch guy,
Speaker 1: well Frisco guy, that he's practice as well, he's always
Speaker 1: aggressive and match us. What is it about Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: where everyone has such a great opinion about him, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't correlate to on field performance. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it was the size thing really with christ Rah Shard. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think, um, you know he didn't fit that that
Speaker 1: that moldy um. But I do you think he earned
Speaker 1: Chris Richard's respect as the year went on, especially last
Speaker 1: year when Anthony Brown got hurt, and he just kept
Speaker 1: making place to the point where they just decided, we
Speaker 1: can't keep this guy off the field now. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and you know, for the most part, he really did capitalize.
Speaker 1: He always just kind of seems to be around the football.
Speaker 1: So what It'll be interesting though, because Isaiah, I know
Speaker 1: you've been talking about the coaching staff and what they
Speaker 1: can bring, and Al Harris seems to like those taller corners.
Speaker 1: So from a prototype, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he fits ideally what they want to do. Nope, I agree,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to jump the gun here because
Speaker 1: I have my list in terms of who I think
Speaker 1: is the top top dog or the top five. Well,
Speaker 1: dag nap and let's go all right, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: should was tarrying for a bottom up for sure, was
Speaker 1: stry for the top down, top down? Why not? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go top down. So I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: tell you guys my number one, and I'm going with
Speaker 1: Daryl Worthy. Why that's right? Yeah, the new guy. And
Speaker 1: the reason being is because number one coming into this defense,
Speaker 1: they are surrounding this defense with veterans. Right this this
Speaker 1: defense is made up of vets. They brought in two
Speaker 1: vets on the interior. They're gonna have two vents on
Speaker 1: it on the outside. At end, you have three vets.
Speaker 1: At linebacker, you're gonna what's your name, Cheeta I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and take y'all. I don't know y'all talk
Speaker 1: about cho Cheeto is going to safety, all right, They're
Speaker 1: gonna pay take Cheeto and Haha, put those guys at safety.
Speaker 1: Those guys gonna be roaming free like crazy, all right.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna start off with two dogs at quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: so one is gonna be dirt worthy, the other one
Speaker 1: is gonna be digs. Okay. They want those long guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna put hands on people and not allow
Speaker 1: them to get a release and let the front seven
Speaker 1: do what they do. And if they do happen to
Speaker 1: get past those two dogs at corner, they will have
Speaker 1: to deal with haha and freaking Cheeto by the girl
Speaker 1: out here to take hands off, okay. And then in
Speaker 1: terms of the slot guy I like, I like Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis or Brown. I'm not sure which one might might
Speaker 1: might jump to the inside, but I think those guys
Speaker 1: will be the first, the first nickelback inserted into the game. Well,
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a curveball. That's why
Speaker 1: that's why this is great, man, because you literally go
Speaker 1: in like ten different directions with this thing. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah. I've always and me and Robert
Speaker 1: had spirited debates about rookies and their impact on defenses.
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel as though, as far as
Speaker 1: you know Diggs is concerned, he's your top guy. And
Speaker 1: the reason I say that is he has the skill
Speaker 1: set immediately to come in and make an impact. If
Speaker 1: you look at the season and who the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dvs are gonna go against, my god, do they have
Speaker 1: their work cut out for him? I mean from Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: the Odell Beckham, I mean, guys, the list just goes
Speaker 1: on and on. So they're going to see some top
Speaker 1: rated guys. Wory I'm very impressed with as well. But again,
Speaker 1: I just take Diggs, put him up on the pedalstool
Speaker 1: and make the list for everybody else. Uh. Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: is my is my other guy. I love Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: I've all has had a great opinion about him coming
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. She's a very aggressive guy, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that Al Harris loves as well,
Speaker 1: just because if you turn on the table you say
Speaker 1: that the eye and the sky don't lie. You see
Speaker 1: the effort there, and he is a guy that you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna give it one. I mean the size
Speaker 1: of the fighting, the dog and all those things that
Speaker 1: people say. I just feel like Jordan Lewis is one
Speaker 1: tough customer, worldly three brown four Cheeto, and then the
Speaker 1: rest of the list that you have. All Right, hold on, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm about to cut you off. Hey, hold on coming
Speaker 1: out telling me with the guys. You know, we tend
Speaker 1: to agree on a lot of things. Hey, but I'm
Speaker 1: about to discreet you on this one. Right here. You're
Speaker 1: telling me. You're telling me that you want to put
Speaker 1: the new Shoes digs on Odell Beckham, on Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put him. That's how you're gonna introduce him
Speaker 1: to the end to the league's put Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's Daryl Green, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that he's Dion Samming's right, But I will say
Speaker 1: this that that kid right now has been taken pro
Speaker 1: reps for a long time, with his brother being a
Speaker 1: rated receiver in the league. So I trust him and
Speaker 1: his mental right now to play in close proximity. Nobody
Speaker 1: plays man to man with Julio Jones. I dare you.
Speaker 1: Nobody does, so he's gonna have help. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: just keep it all the way real. But Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: has the skill set right now. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: much about I don't know Worly. I mean, I've done
Speaker 1: my homework on him, but as far as against the
Speaker 1: top rated guys, I can look at Diggs right now
Speaker 1: and say, I know you're ready, you can give me
Speaker 1: what I need. And also with Jordan Lewis on the
Speaker 1: other side, and so yeah, let's get it on. Man.
Speaker 1: There are no red shirt gears in this thing, right,
Speaker 1: so we just got to take the top off and
Speaker 1: see what we got. Now. I do want to ask
Speaker 1: really quickly, these this list that you've brought up with
Speaker 1: Daryl Worley and Trayvon Diggs up at the top, and
Speaker 1: you're you're saying, hey, these two were the top two guys.
Speaker 1: Have you talked to Al Harris? I know you guys
Speaker 1: are pretty close and you hash conversations with him about
Speaker 1: what he wants. Because I'm starting to think you know
Speaker 1: something that we don't know. You know what. It's the
Speaker 1: power of the dress. You know what I'm saying right,
Speaker 1: It's the power power of the dress, Kyle, You know
Speaker 1: when you got the dress, there's this dog. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like Avatar. You just connected, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Uh no, no, man, I just mean
Speaker 1: you just think about when you're in a position to
Speaker 1: be when you're a quarterback coach, right, when you're a
Speaker 1: secondary coach, you're going most of the time you're gonna
Speaker 1: try to resemble what worked for you, especially when you
Speaker 1: happen to be playing, when you're now coaching for somebody
Speaker 1: who would coached you. Right, So now you have you
Speaker 1: guys have an understanding of what worked for you in
Speaker 1: the past, back when you guys were winning, and now
Speaker 1: you're in a position to make decisions, you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: something that resembles most like what's what you did before. Right.
Speaker 1: It's just just like just like Richard, he didn't like
Speaker 1: he didn't like some of these guys, right because he
Speaker 1: wasn't a Sherman, he wasn't a browner, right, he wasn't
Speaker 1: those those type of bodies. So I see myself going
Speaker 1: towards Hey, number one, what do we need? We need
Speaker 1: a veteran out there that's gonna be controlled, calm, not panic, right,
Speaker 1: and understand the game. And then a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you know, then let's put our top dog that we
Speaker 1: invested in out there on the on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the bar as far as corner. Let's put him
Speaker 1: out there so he can get his reps and we
Speaker 1: have some help behind him. Right, but let's put those
Speaker 1: two long arm jokers out there to put hands on
Speaker 1: people and it everybody else can rotate through. And I
Speaker 1: think Robinson's gonna be rotating there as well. Right. I
Speaker 1: think he's our fourth, our fourth guy that's gonna come
Speaker 1: in by I mean, how often are you seeing four
Speaker 1: wives in his league? Except for probably Week one when
Speaker 1: we played against some dog on rams. Yeah, that's funny,
Speaker 1: mister Robinson. I talked to him, I talked to not
Speaker 1: to him. I talked to his position coach at Tulsa,
Speaker 1: Aaron Fletcher, and he talked about how much press covers
Speaker 1: they played at Tulsa. They called a cat coverage and
Speaker 1: they said, he just really excelled at it. And that's
Speaker 1: a really underrated draft pick that might be able to do.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with the list that we did.
Speaker 1: It was kind of based on now, but I think
Speaker 1: those guys have every opportunity to rise up as as
Speaker 1: it goes on. I did one question for Issaiah though,
Speaker 1: if you if you move Cheeto to corner, I mean
Speaker 1: the safe you Yeah, what do you do with Xavier Woods?
Speaker 1: Is he just a rocational guy? Could he be a
Speaker 1: nickel guy for you like he was early in his career?
Speaker 1: What do you think like if they you know that scenario,
Speaker 1: what could they do? Now that's a great question. That's
Speaker 1: a great question. I think that you want to have
Speaker 1: as competitive as a nickel corner as possible. You want
Speaker 1: that position to be competitive. You know your outside guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be competitive. You have to, especially in this league. Now,
Speaker 1: you need that third guy to be dang there that
Speaker 1: on that part of the field just as much as
Speaker 1: the outside corners are. So I think you throw him
Speaker 1: in a mix with with with Brown and them and
Speaker 1: let them fight it out. But I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a good problem to have. You have. You
Speaker 1: have probably three three guys that are a locked to
Speaker 1: be there, right, probably four guys that are allowed to
Speaker 1: be there. Are you gonna are you gonna carry five? Six?
Speaker 1: How many guys you gonna carry? Right? And you gotta
Speaker 1: figure out, Hey, let him go out there and compete.
Speaker 1: So this this is an awesome problem that the Cowboys have.
Speaker 1: This They haven't had this problem in a while. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing to see in this battle
Speaker 1: once camp starts. The guys at the bottom, Goodwin and
Speaker 1: Maurice Kennedy there there. But but yeah, I think heck,
Speaker 1: they're probably going to be valued for John Fossil and
Speaker 1: helping in the in the coverage game too. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you see that and the depth that we had
Speaker 1: we have Isaiah Again, that's a good problem to have,
Speaker 1: but also we have to keep it real when it
Speaker 1: comes down to you know, our DVS linebackers. These are
Speaker 1: guys that typically put on another hat and play special
Speaker 1: teams for you as well. So that's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of the deciding factor as far as you
Speaker 1: rank these guys in and again with the depths, that depth,
Speaker 1: depth that we have and guys that may potentially be
Speaker 1: moving too safety, there are a lot of guys that's
Speaker 1: going to be on the bubble and so even these
Speaker 1: guys that you're ranking, they may not even make the team.
Speaker 1: Very true, Very true. It's a big, big question mark
Speaker 1: moving into the season. Now, I kind of want to
Speaker 1: tie together a couple points, one that Hecla made earlier
Speaker 1: in the segment, one that Isaiah made as well. When
Speaker 1: you're talking about the nickel that corner or really slot
Speaker 1: corner that needs to be an impact player pretty quickly
Speaker 1: on that defense, and I think Jordan Lewis is right
Speaker 1: up there. I think Cheeto's in that conversation. I would
Speaker 1: put cheeto up at the top of the list, but
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Lewis is probably better covering in the slot.
Speaker 1: And you look at even some of the added talent
Speaker 1: in the NFC East over this offseason. Jalen Reagor for
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, that's gonna be a tough cover from anybody.
Speaker 1: The TCU wide receiver that was drafted by Philadelphia. You've
Speaker 1: got Golden Tate now in New York. You've got Terry
Speaker 1: McLaurin and what he did last year in Washington. There's
Speaker 1: plenty of those slot receivers that are gonna put a
Speaker 1: big time question mark on who is covering those guys
Speaker 1: throughout the course of divisional play in the NFC East.
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Lewis, Cheeto Lusier could both fill that role.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of it at least puts a thumbs
Speaker 1: up for the list that was given by Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys overall, but I still think it's something
Speaker 1: that you have to look at whenever you move forward
Speaker 1: with this defense. Rob, Yeah, I agree, And I think
Speaker 1: when it comes to the slot position, I would if
Speaker 1: they moved Cheeto to safety. As Isaiah said that, that's
Speaker 1: interesting because if then who's who's starting opposite him, If
Speaker 1: it's Xavier Woods, it can do that. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: moved in and covered nickel on the nickel before um
Speaker 1: any anthy Brown has done it. I kind of like
Speaker 1: George Lewis in that role just because I like him
Speaker 1: being around the football. He finds a way to be
Speaker 1: around the football. But the conclusion I just draw to
Speaker 1: this thing is if this thing is so wide, wide open,
Speaker 1: wide open, and you've got a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: can play a lot of different spots too, and that's
Speaker 1: exactly what they want. They wanted in front seven and
Speaker 1: they wanted in their secondary guys you can move around
Speaker 1: and play in different packages. Versatility is key. No, Rod, Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally agreement. That's and that's the awesome part about having
Speaker 1: all these athletes, because I think, I know we're trying
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, this guy's gonna play in this position,
Speaker 1: this GY's gonna play this position. I think sometimes you're
Speaker 1: gonna have Cheeto playing in a slot. Sometimes you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Woods in the back, you know, back there at safety,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a revolving door. And you're navy,
Speaker 1: especially with our defensive coordinator, right, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: know what the heck you're gonna get with him, So
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is, like I said, like
Speaker 1: we had attested to, this is a great problem to have,
Speaker 1: and it's always awesome when you can put guys wherever,
Speaker 1: right when you could just come out learn the entire defense,
Speaker 1: and your defensive coordinator is able to put you in
Speaker 1: positions and situations that make you the most successful and
Speaker 1: overall make the whole team successful. And we'll see what
Speaker 1: they do with Cheeto. But but I remember when he
Speaker 1: was his first camp with the Cowboys. They hadn't playing everywhere,
Speaker 1: they didn't playing the nickel, they hadn't playing safety. That
Speaker 1: they just moved him around. Yeah, they end up playing
Speaker 1: him a corner. But you can play pretty much anywhere
Speaker 1: you need him too, and you did that at Colorado too,
Speaker 1: And to tie a bow on this whole thing in
Speaker 1: terms of the corners and really our episode here of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, I do want to make just notice that
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty and we had an avatar reference from Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on it. I'm waiting on throws it back here.
Speaker 1: We had an avatar sayment. Apparently all Harris actually chopped
Speaker 1: off the dreads, so maybe the things kind of over.
Speaker 1: Let you know that one, but that is that is
Speaker 1: going to do it here for Talking Cowboys. So glad
Speaker 1: you've been with us. Hope everybody had a safe and
Speaker 1: socially distant Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully the weather gets better
Speaker 1: if you're in the Dallas Fort Worth theory, because there's
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Speaker 1: But that is gonna do it for Heck Harrison, for
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, for the Super Bowl champion, Isaiah stand back.
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