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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Says, It's another Tuesday edition of Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com as we sit

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Speaker 1: through the entirety of this Dallas Cowboys offseason and what

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Speaker 1: has been a crazy offseason for the Dallas Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to continue to do our best to

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Speaker 1: break it down for you as we near the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty hopefully training camp coming up in late July. Once again,

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Speaker 1: the Talking Cowboys crew, Rob Philip Harrison, Isaiah stand Back,

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Speaker 1: our residence, super Bowl Champion, and myself Kyle Yeoman's all

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Speaker 1: socially distant from our respective SWBC Mortgage studios and guys,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I feel like we get the

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Speaker 1: short end of the stick every now and again whenever

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Speaker 1: it comes to the timing of our show being on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 1: I love the Tuesday slot, but it always seems like

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Speaker 1: the top storylines and the fun things with the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: this offseason happened either Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday or Thursday because

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Speaker 1: last week. It was really kind of quiet leading up

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Speaker 1: into Tuesday, and then Tuesday afternoon, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Alden Smith is reinstated, and now the Cowboys have a

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Speaker 1: little bit more depth at that right defensive in spot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can clap for that. Yeah, we've got Alden Smith back.

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Speaker 1: But then you've got the Jamal Adams fun that happens

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Speaker 1: later in the week. But heck, we're kind of on

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Speaker 1: the short end here in terms of the timing of

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Speaker 1: us talking about this stuff in that jacked up man,

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I mean, we have got

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Speaker 1: to get in the news cycle that happens before Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: so we have something to talk about, but everybody else

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Speaker 1: kind of but by the time it gets to us,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're still muddy in the water. We're dragging

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Speaker 1: that same topic. But at the same time, we make

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Speaker 1: it so fun. It looks so good. Oh. I like that,

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Speaker 1: it sounds so good because we've got guys like Rob

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Speaker 1: Phillips on the line as well. Because Rob, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you were pretty quick on that Aldon Smith news last week,

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Speaker 1: and we even kind of alluded to it going into

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Speaker 1: the deal. Yeah, and you know what, it is a

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Speaker 1: situation where the Cowboys had to wait for the NFL's

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Speaker 1: timing to get it done. I don't think the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: really knew when it was going to happen, or for

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Speaker 1: sure it was going to happen, because it just comes

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Speaker 1: down to what Roger Goodell wants to do at his discretion.

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Speaker 1: But I heard some applause from somebody on the crew,

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Speaker 1: and that's well founded because this is a guy that

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Speaker 1: has forty seven and a half sacks in fifty nine

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Speaker 1: career games, and I don't think they're asking him to

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Speaker 1: was in San Francisco. Just just moneyball this thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the movie with Brad pet just help piece together what

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn did for them last season. And that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the key, is to have a guy like old

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get that same type of player like

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Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco, as Rob just alluded to.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have somebody who's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: that's been in a locker room like that. What's it

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Speaker 1: He said it. Man has had a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: He got as we like to say, he has fresh legs,

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Speaker 1: make sure that I piggyback off of what you just said, Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: the show. Now, this is gonna be a fun show.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a lot of the trouble spots of

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. We're gonna answer a lot of your

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Speaker 1: questions the defensive line, tight end position, and also the cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go through all three of those positions

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Speaker 1: along with. But sticking with this defensive line. Last week,

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Speaker 1: terms of bringing those two groups together. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: just what the sacks are. But to your point, yes,

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Speaker 1: he's a vocal guy, but needs to be. But another

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Speaker 1: guy that they need to get back for two reasons

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Speaker 1: just gonna have my center be on Done Terry Poe

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Speaker 1: talk about Gerald McCoy. And now, I mean, and like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to beat it. Y'all killed it, man,

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Speaker 1: has a partner with him, right. Obviously, we want Crawford

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Speaker 1: just got all the Smith back. You just got Smith

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Speaker 1: back off his suspension, and this dude paired up with

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much people out there, Cowboys Nation,

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Speaker 1: y'all need to recognize that this d line is about

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Speaker 1: to be what I like to call McNasty. Okay, y'all,

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Speaker 1: y'all need to recognize this is about to be serious,

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Speaker 1: because I as heck, just a point to just attest

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Speaker 1: one one of them, right, So you pick your poison,

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Speaker 1: McCoy or Poe. Either way, it's gonna be an ill

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Speaker 1: all right, And then you got you have opportunity to

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Speaker 1: learn what they're learning, what they're supposed to do, come

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Speaker 1: you've brought up a good point about Antoine Woods. You know,

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Speaker 1: more productive. But I agree with what you guys are saying,

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448
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Speaker 1: Seemingly they made an improvement there. Now we take a

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Speaker 1: look at the tight end spot, and last season was

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Speaker 1: the return of Jason Witton after a one year hiatus

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Speaker 1: in the Monday Night Football booth. He makes his way back,

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Speaker 1: catches a touchdown pass in each of the first two games,

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Speaker 1: be a part of the John Gruden's Raiders. Now it's

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Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin's turn to be tight end number one, four years,

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Speaker 1: twenty two million dollar deal, and guys, my question is

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Speaker 1: what kind of jump can we expect from Blake Jarwin

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Speaker 1: rob because last year he kind of was back into

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Speaker 1: that tight end too slot. Now he's got a chance

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Speaker 1: to really improve and really take off. Well. I would hope,

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Speaker 1: I would think they would hope he could, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe double his production or a guy that's played, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe thirty percent of the snaps. I think he might

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Speaker 1: have been under that a little bit last year to

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Speaker 1: being the guy as you said, And there's parts of

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Speaker 1: his game that he needs to work on, or you know,

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Speaker 1: the blocking part of it. He's not necessarily known for

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Speaker 1: as much that something Witten was good even late in

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Speaker 1: his career as a blocker, but I think we know

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Speaker 1: what he's good at. What he's really good at is

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Speaker 1: stretching the field, being a down the field vertical threat

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Speaker 1: from the tight end spot. And I kind of like

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Speaker 1: in this a little bit too. And I'm not comparing

541
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Speaker 1: the two players, but I kind of like in it too.

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Speaker 1: When Miles Austin took over as the starting wide receiver

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Speaker 1: here after you know, a couple of years of being

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Speaker 1: a deserve and there's a difference between playing a few

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Speaker 1: snaps a game and having a few targets a game

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Speaker 1: to being the guy that everybody's game planning for. And

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Speaker 1: to me, that's what I'm looking for the most is

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Speaker 1: how he handles defense is gunning for him this year

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Speaker 1: because he's been kind of a spot player and now

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the featured guy. And Miles was

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Speaker 1: able to make that transition because he played behind guys

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Speaker 1: like t O and Roy Williams that taught him how

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Speaker 1: to prepare and I think he learned that from Jason Witten.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine, but but it is

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Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment for him. Heck, okay, you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this when it comes down to Blake Jarwin.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the gift and the curse of curse of

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Speaker 1: having Jason Witten playing behind Jason Witten. And the gift

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Speaker 1: is is that you get the compliment pros showed you

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Speaker 1: how to prepare, like Rob just alluded to. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, you know, what is the mind state

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Speaker 1: of Blake Jarwin. I mean last year, well two years ago, uh,

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Speaker 1: Witton retired and he was basically given the keys to

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Speaker 1: the tight end room. And then okay, Jason's back, right,

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Speaker 1: and so now now you're playing the role of number

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Speaker 1: two behind look all pro one of the better receivers

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Speaker 1: to ever play the game, one of the better tight

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Speaker 1: ends to ever played the game of football. And so

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Speaker 1: checking the mind state also of Blake jarwinns important. I

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Speaker 1: think that he's had an ample opportunity, uh to be

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Speaker 1: the guy at tight end. But also with Blake Bell,

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Speaker 1: I think, and I've said this before, I think it's

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Speaker 1: the combination of them both together that's gonna be that

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Speaker 1: one tight end. And also guys then the undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agent we got from Michigan McKinnon, the guy that you

576
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Speaker 1: know from Michigan who played in Jim Harball and Harball's offense.

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Speaker 1: I like this kid. I think he's a you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty sturdy blocker but also a great receiver. So look,

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Speaker 1: we had as far as Blake Jarwin, I know the

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Speaker 1: question was about him. I think obviously that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: make that jump, but there are just some things. If

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Speaker 1: I'll playing the Devil's advocate, guys, I think that he

583
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Speaker 1: has some things in this game as far as blocking

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Speaker 1: is concerned that makes you worried. Well, last year he

585
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Speaker 1: was sixty fifth of sixty nine tight ends on Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus in his run blocking grade sixty fifth of

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. Isaiah, that's not necessarily the rating you would want.

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Speaker 1: It's not the rating you want. But like you guys

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Speaker 1: attested to, you know, he had that dude in front

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Speaker 1: of him named Jason Witten, and he didn't have them

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Speaker 1: to be the great blocker, right, So he played his

592
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Speaker 1: position last year. This year he got cashed out all right,

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Speaker 1: So he is going to be expected. There's a level

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Speaker 1: of excellence is now comes with his name. So he's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to figure that out. And yes, run blocking

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Speaker 1: will be a part of it because they can't just

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Speaker 1: sub Blake in every time they want to block. No,

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Speaker 1: that's going to Sona. He's gonna learn. He's got to

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Speaker 1: learn how to be that guy that can move the

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Speaker 1: dog and move some men off the ball. And it

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Speaker 1: might be rough for him, especially not having OTAs that sucks, right,

602
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Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to figure that out. He's had

603
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Speaker 1: to figure it out quick because they are going to

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Speaker 1: come out with him in the game. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a dude by the name Ezekiel Elliott behind him and

606
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Speaker 1: freaky Zeki is going to expect that dude to move

607
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: some men off the ball because they just paid him

608
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. So he's got he'll he'll figure

609
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Speaker 1: that out. In terms of expectation in the passing game,

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Speaker 1: I think he has to improve upon his route running.

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Speaker 1: You know, we know that he has the juice and

612
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Speaker 1: he can get down field. But listen, we got three

613
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Speaker 1: dudes on the out there a receiver now that have juice.

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Speaker 1: So do we really need somebody that can stretch the

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Speaker 1: field from the inside position. No, we really need somebody

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Speaker 1: who can get open underneath. So he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: work on that aspect of his game because I think

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Speaker 1: that his role and what he's what he considers you

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Speaker 1: know himself confident in and in an area that he

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Speaker 1: excels in, He's gonna have to then timple that down

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Speaker 1: and focus his attention on being a typical tight end

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Speaker 1: and works in anywhere from five to twelve yards. And

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Speaker 1: that's one thing that Jason Witton always provided Dak Prescott,

624
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Speaker 1: but even up to at the end of his career,

625
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Speaker 1: was a reliable target underneath that. F Dak Prescott got

626
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Speaker 1: in trouble and he had to get flushed out of

627
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Speaker 1: the pocket or he was under pressure, he could dump

628
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Speaker 1: it off and he knew that eighty two was within reach.

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Speaker 1: That's something that maybe doesn't fit necessarily into the bread

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Speaker 1: basket of what Blake Jarwin brings to the table as

631
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Speaker 1: a tight end. But Isaiah, you made a point a

632
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Speaker 1: little bit ago of him being behind Jason Witton not

633
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: having to be that run blocker, even though his braid

634
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: was very low. It was interesting the disbursement of snaps

635
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Speaker 1: that Blake Jarwin had last year. I went back and

636
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: looked at it. Right at the beginning of a year,

637
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Speaker 1: they were pretty even between pass blocking snaps and run blocking,

638
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Speaker 1: But as you went along and the season continued, his

639
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Speaker 1: run blocking snaps started to shrink considerably to the point

640
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Speaker 1: where he still had more run blocking snaps by the

641
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Speaker 1: end of the season, just not as much as he

642
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Speaker 1: did really at the beginning of the year. Whenever they

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Speaker 1: were pretty much even all the way throughout. Now, Rob

644
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to this contract that Blake Jarwin ended

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Speaker 1: up getting from the Dallas Cowboys and a little bit

646
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Speaker 1: of a statement made to Jason Witton about Hey, we're

647
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Speaker 1: gonna move on from you. We're gonna make Blake Jarwin

648
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Speaker 1: are tight end number one. This is money that's not

649
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Speaker 1: necessarily big time gar and team money. However, it is

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Speaker 1: something that just still puts that statement out there saying, hey,

651
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Speaker 1: we're making you the top guy here. Yeah, I think so,

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Speaker 1: And like heck, I'm alluded to it. I think he

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Speaker 1: might have been in position to be the number one

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Speaker 1: guy a year ago. And when Witten came back, the

655
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Speaker 1: way the Fun office kind of looked at it was well,

656
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Speaker 1: we can just kind of kick the can down the

657
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Speaker 1: road a little bit and I evaluate him for another

658
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Speaker 1: year and see how he does, and then if we

659
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Speaker 1: need to go look for a tight end of the draft.

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Speaker 1: If Witten moves on the next year, then we can

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Speaker 1: do that, and obviously they liked what they saw. Isaiah

662
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: made a good point, you know, I think the reliability part.

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Speaker 1: We know what he can do after the catch. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy's average almost twelve yards a catch for his career,

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Speaker 1: and he can stretch a field and he's a good

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Speaker 1: run after catch guy. But that reliability aspect is so

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Speaker 1: key from the tight end position. And I go back,

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Speaker 1: I just go back to it. The sample size. He's

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Speaker 1: been in a certain role, you know, the first couple

670
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: of years, and there's a big difference when you were

671
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Speaker 1: asking to take on another role and be more involved.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's had more than fIF I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's had fid he targets in a season for

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Speaker 1: his career. So now there's more ask of him, and

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00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott needs kind of that safety valve and can

676
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Speaker 1: he be that guy that's going to be the question. Yeah,

677
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point. Also, h Rob, that

678
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: safety net for Dak Prescott is very important and the

679
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: load that you're putting on him. Look, here's the other

680
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: part about it is this, and I think Isaiah, you

681
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: were you're you're kind of alluding to this also, and

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Speaker 1: also Uh, Kyle that look, you you have certain schemes

683
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: and if you're tempting your hand to say that you

684
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: know Jarwin can't block and he's only in on pass plays,

685
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: then man defense is just gonna pin their ears back

686
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: every time they see him come into the game. And

687
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: so he has to be able to correct that. And

688
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: this COVID nineteen world that we're in man where people

689
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: are where these guys are not able to get those

690
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: reps and get that experience right now leading into a

691
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: very important season or jarwinum. But also I think that

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00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna the explosion in the tight at the

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Speaker 1: tight end position. It's going to be oh to the

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Speaker 1: receiving corps that we have, because man, these guys are

695
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna be able to find those little soft spots in

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00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: the defense. He and just camp out and if Dak

697
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: needs to the play breaks down, Jawin or Bail will

698
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: be available. Well. Travis Kelsey proved last season that you

699
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: can be a tight end in a high powered offense.

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00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not the featured piece of that offense every

701
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: single game, because from time to time it was Patrick Mahomes,

702
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Dirie Hill, it was guys other than Travis Kelsey that

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: led that Chief's team to a Super Bowl win. Now,

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00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing Blake jin let's comp the brakes there.

705
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask Isaiah, what is the

706
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: what is the ceiling for Blake Jarwin? What kind of

707
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: ceiling does this guy have? Because he was undrafted, He's

708
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: still got the frame, he's got the hands, he's got

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00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: the vertical vertical threat ability. I want to know what

710
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: a ceiling is. I mean, I think you just alluded

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00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: to it, right, I mean, he has all the intangibles

712
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: that you want. Um. I think what everybody's waiting to

713
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: see is if he has that that tenacious attitude, that

714
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: that that that get that dog in him that just

715
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: wants to bury somebody in the in the ground. Because

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to find that as we just talked about, right,

717
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he went from coming in and

718
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: relieving with too now he's working with the offensive alignment

719
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: like that's what you do, right, So when those guys

720
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: make an adjustment on the line because of a certain

721
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: front of the defense presents, he needs to know everything

722
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: that they need to know. He needs to be able

723
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Speaker 1: to block the same people that they have to block right,

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Speaker 1: and then oh, by the way, next play, I need

725
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: you to run down the field, you know, twelve yards

726
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and find and find a hole so that you can

727
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: get you know, that can get you the ball. So

728
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling, you know, the ceilings whatever whatever

729
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: he wants it to be, because I mean, because he

730
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: has all the intangibles. I think most of the time,

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00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, somebody doesn't have the physical aspect of something

732
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, maybe they can develop that, right.

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Speaker 1: I think for this it's a skill set in terms

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00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: of he needs remps, right, he needs run blocking raps

735
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: in these pass blocking reps because he is going to

736
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: be pass blocking as well. But when you're paying somebody,

737
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, five to six million year, they gonna have

738
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Yeah. No, I mean that's that's

739
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: absolutely correct thing. And I believe that that Jarwin has

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: that he has the ability, or else the Cowboys wouldn't

741
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: have have paid him. But at the same time, I

742
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: just feel as though, look as far as schemes defenses

743
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: that's coming against this offense, he's gonna have to have

744
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: all of those, uh intangibles. But I think we're putting

745
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot more on Jarwin than we need to because

746
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: they signed Blake Bell as well, and so I just

747
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not just gonna be the

748
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Jarwin show. I think that Blake Bell gives that the

749
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense that comfort zone with the big body guy

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: that's also just as capable as Jarwin if he doesn't

751
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: feel that role in run blocking. You said, right, isaih

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: with with with Ezekiel Elio? Now, but say freak Ezekiel

753
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott. You know what the Cowboys want to do.

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00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: They want to run the ball and they want to

755
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: be dominating uh at running the ball, and that has

756
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the tight end. So Jowin

757
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: is going to have a big responsibility to get that done.

758
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: But if he can't, guys, Blake Bell, that's what he does.

759
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: He's all about that. And so look, it's all about

760
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: how you disguise it. It's all about the way that

761
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: you roll it out so that the defense doesn't you know,

762
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: you don't tip your hand on what you're doing. But

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00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have the guys in that tight

764
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: end room that can get it done. But but heck,

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00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: just following up on that and Rob, you might have

766
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: a pin on this too? How much two tight ends?

767
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: How mean too tight end sets? You guys really expect

768
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: to see because you're not You're not gonna just totally

769
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: remove you know, if you want to go, I want

770
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: to go eleven Versonnel as much as I absolutely yeah

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00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: with number eight, number eighty eight, the new eighty eight.

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: You know that's a good point yep. So I mean

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00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna say no regardless of the skill set of Blake,

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00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's ye, that's what he does.

775
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: He blocks, But like when he comes in, he's coming

776
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: in and a two tight end set. You're not taking

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00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: your newly two or twenty plus million dollars man off

778
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: the field, right and putting in a guy that you

779
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: just signed to be the blocker. So when he comes in,

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be a two tight end set.

781
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be two receivers. So to your point, route,

782
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: that's why I want to get your apinky. I know,

783
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: I know you want to see eighty eight out there.

784
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: How how often you think that's really gonna happen? Right?

785
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's gonna happen probably five to six

786
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: times a game. Offenses are probably averaging about forty snaps

787
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, I mean, you're probably right. There probably

788
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: will be less twelve personnel than we've seen from in

789
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: the past, and it probably will come down to him

790
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: being more just a well rounded player, right. Heck makes

791
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, Blake Bell was signed to

792
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: be more of that probably Witten role, more of that

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00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: utility guy in the line of scrimmage. But it's gonna

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00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they use both guys. I

795
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: still think you've got to use Blake Jarwin's strengths at

796
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: the end of the day, find a way to get

797
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: him in mismatch situations on a line backer things of

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00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: that nature, where he can make plays where you down

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00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 1: the field, because I think I think he can still

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Speaker 1: do that. But to Isaiah's point, he's still got to

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Speaker 1: be able to do some of the underneath stuffy work

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00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,359
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00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: That's a lot of what the Titan has to do

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00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: because you have, especially when you have so many other

805
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: weapons outside that you can go to. You've got plenty

806
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: more weapons than you have had in the past, and

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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: it's because of all of the improvements that you've ended

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00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: up having this offseason on that offensive side of the ball.

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00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: There's been that same kind of improvement on the defensive side.

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Speaker 1: And we'll go back to the defense here in this

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Speaker 1: So first ever read for heck Ma Harrison on Talking Dallas.

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Speaker 1: How about that knocking it out of the park. And

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Speaker 1: we've always had a fun analyst read going into the

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Speaker 1: third segment of this show. It's kind of a tradition

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Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys, so we're glad to bring that back.

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Speaker 1: Final segment through here on this Tuesday morning, heck Ma Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, our resident super Bowl Champion and the

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Speaker 1: great Rob Phillips. Hey, guys, how about a little bit

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Speaker 1: of breaking news for you? How's that sound? Just a

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Speaker 1: little bit of talking cowboys breaking news? According to sources,

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Speaker 1: and this is from Charles Robinson from Yahoo's Sports says,

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Speaker 1: NFL head coaches may return to facilities next week, with

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Speaker 1: many camps to potentially follow in June. And if you

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Speaker 1: go further down into that article that is on Yahoo

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Speaker 1: dot com, says scheduled as early as June fifteenth or

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Speaker 1: as late as June twenty seventh mini camps depending on

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen data whether the handful of franchises get a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote go ahead signal from state governments to resume

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Speaker 1: full operations. So another hurdle, another big time step moving

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Speaker 1: forward toward the twenty twenty season, and something that is

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Speaker 1: encouraging to potentially having football back, which is huge. Now

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Speaker 1: this is from Yahoo Sports. Sources say it's all just

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Speaker 1: a report. We have heard nothing from the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on our end of things in terms of when those

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Speaker 1: dates would be or what that looks like for what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the Star in Frisco. But just wanted

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Speaker 1: to give you guys a little bit of encouraging news

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Speaker 1: heading in I love that man. That is good as

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Speaker 1: long as your source wasn't Chris Simms were good man,

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Speaker 1: of course. Chris Simms this past week thrown out of

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Speaker 1: some numbers about Prescott contract negotiation, and numbers that weren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily what we thought were true, so they ended up

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Speaker 1: not naing true, but still interesting when it comes to

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Speaker 1: that contract negotiation as well. But luckily this was not

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Speaker 1: from Chris Simms. It was from Yahoo's Sports. Now, going

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Speaker 1: into this final segment, I want to pull our attention

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Speaker 1: to another website. Last segment, we talked about Blake Jarwin.

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Speaker 1: There's a full interview up on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman sat down with Blake jar When he can

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Speaker 1: go check that out in its entirety. He talks about

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Speaker 1: Jason Witten, his new role, He talks about all things

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys with Nick Eatman, and that's a great interview.

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Speaker 1: I highly encouraging also on Dallas Cowboys dot com because

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Speaker 1: we're just cranking out all sorts of content over the offseason.

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Speaker 1: A rank them an early ranking of the Cowboys eleven corners,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we're going to go into right now,

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Speaker 1: the eleven corners for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: go through all eleven. We're gonna start at number eight

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna work our way through and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: agree or disagree. Now, rob out of the four of

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Speaker 1: us was the only one that actually contributed to this article.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna really get after Rob if we disagree

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Speaker 1: at the point, Okay, head man Isaiah, we're going to

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Speaker 1: agree to disagree with Rob Phillips. Now, starting at number eight,

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Speaker 1: C J. Goodwin is number eight, number seven, Maurice Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: number six, the newly drafted Reggie Robinson, the second fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick out of Tulsa, number five, Darryl Worley, an

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Speaker 1: acquired free agent, and then at number four, Treyvon Diggs,

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Speaker 1: the second round draft pick out of Alabama, number three,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, number two, Cheeto Ewoosier, and number one. This

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Speaker 1: one surprised me, Rob, And I'm about to give you

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Speaker 1: a chance to give you some give you some of

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Speaker 1: this positivity around this number one pick. But Jordan Lewis,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit unusual. But Jordan Lewis is the

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Speaker 1: number one selection. And this is by the Cowboys staff.

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Speaker 1: So the guys who have been around and know the

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Speaker 1: team the most. Rob, tell me why Jordan Lewis was

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Speaker 1: number one. Wait, you didn't like it? Why because he's

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Speaker 1: not six five? Right? Done have super long arms and

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Speaker 1: all that. It might be something Full disclosure on this list. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is all subject to change. We have no idea

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Speaker 1: how this thing is gonna shake out. Hopefully gets started

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Speaker 1: in the season. This is as wide open a position

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Speaker 1: I can remember, and we actually got the idea for

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Speaker 1: doing this because I was talking to Nick about we

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Speaker 1: had a debate on this show a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago about trying to figure out who's starting at corner,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, you could go a bunch of different directions,

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Speaker 1: because they've got a nice mix of young guys and

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Speaker 1: established veterans. And that's that's why we went Kyle with

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at number one, just because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that despite his size and I know this is kind

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Speaker 1: of the same trend as under the Christopher Shark regime.

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Speaker 1: He's not six feet tall, he's not a long rangy corner.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of guys that have been around and

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Speaker 1: have been productive, he took advantage of his opportunities last year,

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Speaker 1: and I think his experience at least at this point

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Speaker 1: point with no in person workouts and everything, puts him

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Speaker 1: in the top spot. But there's opportunity for other guys

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Speaker 1: clearly to step up. They drafted two corners, so guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna have opportunity to win jobs. But we just

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Speaker 1: felt like Lewis what he did last year and being

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Speaker 1: familiar with with this this franchise and being productive here

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Speaker 1: I think carried the day. Rob Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this man, Why didn't Jordan Lewis get the opportunity as

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Speaker 1: many opportunities last season? I mean, everybody always speaks so

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Speaker 1: highly about him and what he does, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: is it just that he's an All Valley ranch guy,

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Speaker 1: well Frisco guy, that he's practice as well, he's always

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Speaker 1: aggressive and match us. What is it about Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: where everyone has such a great opinion about him, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't correlate to on field performance. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it was the size thing really with christ Rah Shard. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think, um, you know he didn't fit that that

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Speaker 1: that moldy um. But I do you think he earned

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Speaker 1: Chris Richard's respect as the year went on, especially last

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Speaker 1: year when Anthony Brown got hurt, and he just kept

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Speaker 1: making place to the point where they just decided, we

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Speaker 1: can't keep this guy off the field now. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: and you know, for the most part, he really did capitalize.

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Speaker 1: He always just kind of seems to be around the football.

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Speaker 1: So what It'll be interesting though, because Isaiah, I know

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Speaker 1: you've been talking about the coaching staff and what they

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Speaker 1: can bring, and Al Harris seems to like those taller corners.

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Speaker 1: So from a prototype, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he fits ideally what they want to do. Nope, I agree,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to jump the gun here because

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Speaker 1: I have my list in terms of who I think

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Speaker 1: is the top top dog or the top five. Well,

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Speaker 1: dag nap and let's go all right, So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: should was tarrying for a bottom up for sure, was

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Speaker 1: stry for the top down, top down? Why not? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go top down. So I'm gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 1: tell you guys my number one, and I'm going with

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Speaker 1: Daryl Worthy. Why that's right? Yeah, the new guy. And

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Speaker 1: the reason being is because number one coming into this defense,

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Speaker 1: they are surrounding this defense with veterans. Right this this

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Speaker 1: defense is made up of vets. They brought in two

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Speaker 1: vets on the interior. They're gonna have two vents on

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Speaker 1: it on the outside. At end, you have three vets.

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Speaker 1: At linebacker, you're gonna what's your name, Cheeta I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and take y'all. I don't know y'all talk

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Speaker 1: about cho Cheeto is going to safety, all right, They're

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Speaker 1: gonna pay take Cheeto and Haha, put those guys at safety.

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00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Those guys gonna be roaming free like crazy, all right.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna start off with two dogs at quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: so one is gonna be dirt worthy, the other one

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Speaker 1: is gonna be digs. Okay. They want those long guys

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Speaker 1: that are gonna put hands on people and not allow

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Speaker 1: them to get a release and let the front seven

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Speaker 1: do what they do. And if they do happen to

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Speaker 1: get past those two dogs at corner, they will have

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Speaker 1: to deal with haha and freaking Cheeto by the girl

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00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: out here to take hands off, okay. And then in

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Speaker 1: terms of the slot guy I like, I like Jordan

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Speaker 1: Lewis or Brown. I'm not sure which one might might

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Speaker 1: might jump to the inside, but I think those guys

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Speaker 1: will be the first, the first nickelback inserted into the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a curveball. That's why

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Speaker 1: that's why this is great, man, because you literally go

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Speaker 1: in like ten different directions with this thing. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah. I've always and me and Robert

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Speaker 1: had spirited debates about rookies and their impact on defenses.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just feel as though, as far as

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Speaker 1: you know Diggs is concerned, he's your top guy. And

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Speaker 1: the reason I say that is he has the skill

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Speaker 1: set immediately to come in and make an impact. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the season and who the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dvs are gonna go against, my god, do they have

1015
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: their work cut out for him? I mean from Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: the Odell Beckham, I mean, guys, the list just goes

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Speaker 1: on and on. So they're going to see some top

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Speaker 1: rated guys. Wory I'm very impressed with as well. But again,

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Speaker 1: I just take Diggs, put him up on the pedalstool

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Speaker 1: and make the list for everybody else. Uh. Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: is my is my other guy. I love Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 1: I've all has had a great opinion about him coming

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Speaker 1: out of Michigan. She's a very aggressive guy, and I

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Speaker 1: think he's a guy that Al Harris loves as well,

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Speaker 1: just because if you turn on the table you say

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Speaker 1: that the eye and the sky don't lie. You see

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00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: the effort there, and he is a guy that you

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00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: know it's gonna give it one. I mean the size

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Speaker 1: of the fighting, the dog and all those things that

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Speaker 1: people say. I just feel like Jordan Lewis is one

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Speaker 1: tough customer, worldly three brown four Cheeto, and then the

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Speaker 1: rest of the list that you have. All Right, hold on, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to cut you off. Hey, hold on coming

1034
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: out telling me with the guys. You know, we tend

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00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: to agree on a lot of things. Hey, but I'm

1036
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Speaker 1: about to discreet you on this one. Right here. You're

1037
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Speaker 1: telling me. You're telling me that you want to put

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Speaker 1: the new Shoes digs on Odell Beckham, on Julio Jones.

1039
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Speaker 1: You're gonna put him. That's how you're gonna introduce him

1040
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Speaker 1: to the end to the league's put Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's Daryl Green, and I'm not

1042
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Speaker 1: saying that he's Dion Samming's right, But I will say

1043
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: this that that kid right now has been taken pro

1044
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: reps for a long time, with his brother being a

1045
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Speaker 1: rated receiver in the league. So I trust him and

1046
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: his mental right now to play in close proximity. Nobody

1047
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: plays man to man with Julio Jones. I dare you.

1048
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: Nobody does, so he's gonna have help. I mean, let's

1049
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: just keep it all the way real. But Treyvon Diggs

1050
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: has the skill set right now. Now, I don't know

1051
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Speaker 1: much about I don't know Worly. I mean, I've done

1052
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Speaker 1: my homework on him, but as far as against the

1053
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Speaker 1: top rated guys, I can look at Diggs right now

1054
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Speaker 1: and say, I know you're ready, you can give me

1055
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Speaker 1: what I need. And also with Jordan Lewis on the

1056
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Speaker 1: other side, and so yeah, let's get it on. Man.

1057
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Speaker 1: There are no red shirt gears in this thing, right,

1058
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: so we just got to take the top off and

1059
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Speaker 1: see what we got. Now. I do want to ask

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Speaker 1: really quickly, these this list that you've brought up with

1061
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Speaker 1: Daryl Worley and Trayvon Diggs up at the top, and

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Speaker 1: you're you're saying, hey, these two were the top two guys.

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Speaker 1: Have you talked to Al Harris? I know you guys

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00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: are pretty close and you hash conversations with him about

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Speaker 1: what he wants. Because I'm starting to think you know

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Speaker 1: something that we don't know. You know what. It's the

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00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: power of the dress. You know what I'm saying right,

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Speaker 1: It's the power power of the dress, Kyle, You know

1069
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: when you got the dress, there's this dog. It's like

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00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's like Avatar. You just connected, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Uh no, no, man, I just mean

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Speaker 1: you just think about when you're in a position to

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Speaker 1: be when you're a quarterback coach, right, when you're a

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00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: secondary coach, you're going most of the time you're gonna

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: try to resemble what worked for you, especially when you

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00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: happen to be playing, when you're now coaching for somebody

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00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: who would coached you. Right, So now you have you

1078
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: guys have an understanding of what worked for you in

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00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: the past, back when you guys were winning, and now

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00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: you're in a position to make decisions, you're gonna pick

1081
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: something that resembles most like what's what you did before. Right.

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00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: It's just just like just like Richard, he didn't like

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00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: he didn't like some of these guys, right because he

1084
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: wasn't a Sherman, he wasn't a browner, right, he wasn't

1085
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: those those type of bodies. So I see myself going

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Speaker 1: towards Hey, number one, what do we need? We need

1087
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: a veteran out there that's gonna be controlled, calm, not panic, right,

1088
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: and understand the game. And then a matter of fact,

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00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, then let's put our top dog that we

1090
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: invested in out there on the on the defensive side

1091
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: of the bar as far as corner. Let's put him

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00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: out there so he can get his reps and we

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: have some help behind him. Right, but let's put those

1094
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: two long arm jokers out there to put hands on

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00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: people and it everybody else can rotate through. And I

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: think Robinson's gonna be rotating there as well. Right. I

1097
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: think he's our fourth, our fourth guy that's gonna come

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00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: in by I mean, how often are you seeing four

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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: wives in his league? Except for probably Week one when

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00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: we played against some dog on rams. Yeah, that's funny,

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Speaker 1: mister Robinson. I talked to him, I talked to not

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Speaker 1: to him. I talked to his position coach at Tulsa,

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00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Fletcher, and he talked about how much press covers

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00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: they played at Tulsa. They called a cat coverage and

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: they said, he just really excelled at it. And that's

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: a really underrated draft pick that might be able to do.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing with the list that we did.

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00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: It was kind of based on now, but I think

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Speaker 1: those guys have every opportunity to rise up as as

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Speaker 1: it goes on. I did one question for Issaiah though,

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Speaker 1: if you if you move Cheeto to corner, I mean

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Speaker 1: the safe you Yeah, what do you do with Xavier Woods?

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Speaker 1: Is he just a rocational guy? Could he be a

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Speaker 1: nickel guy for you like he was early in his career?

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Speaker 1: What do you think like if they you know that scenario,

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00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: what could they do? Now that's a great question. That's

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00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: a great question. I think that you want to have

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Speaker 1: as competitive as a nickel corner as possible. You want

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Speaker 1: that position to be competitive. You know your outside guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna be competitive. You have to, especially in this league. Now,

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00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: you need that third guy to be dang there that

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00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: on that part of the field just as much as

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Speaker 1: the outside corners are. So I think you throw him

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Speaker 1: in a mix with with with Brown and them and

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Speaker 1: let them fight it out. But I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a good problem to have. You have. You

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00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: have probably three three guys that are a locked to

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Speaker 1: be there, right, probably four guys that are allowed to

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Speaker 1: be there. Are you gonna are you gonna carry five? Six?

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Speaker 1: How many guys you gonna carry? Right? And you gotta

1131
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: figure out, Hey, let him go out there and compete.

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00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: So this this is an awesome problem that the Cowboys have.

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: This They haven't had this problem in a while. So

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing to see in this battle

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Speaker 1: once camp starts. The guys at the bottom, Goodwin and

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00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Maurice Kennedy there there. But but yeah, I think heck,

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00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: they're probably going to be valued for John Fossil and

1138
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: helping in the in the coverage game too. Yeah. Absolutely,

1139
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: and you see that and the depth that we had

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: we have Isaiah Again, that's a good problem to have,

1141
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: but also we have to keep it real when it

1142
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: comes down to you know, our DVS linebackers. These are

1143
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: guys that typically put on another hat and play special

1144
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: teams for you as well. So that's going to be

1145
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the deciding factor as far as you

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00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: rank these guys in and again with the depths, that depth,

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00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: depth that we have and guys that may potentially be

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00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: moving too safety, there are a lot of guys that's

1149
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: going to be on the bubble and so even these

1150
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: guys that you're ranking, they may not even make the team.

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00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: Very true, Very true. It's a big, big question mark

1152
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: moving into the season. Now, I kind of want to

1153
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: tie together a couple points, one that Hecla made earlier

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Speaker 1: in the segment, one that Isaiah made as well. When

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the nickel that corner or really slot

1156
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: corner that needs to be an impact player pretty quickly

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: on that defense, and I think Jordan Lewis is right

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: up there. I think Cheeto's in that conversation. I would

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Speaker 1: put cheeto up at the top of the list, but

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00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Lewis is probably better covering in the slot.

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00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: And you look at even some of the added talent

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: in the NFC East over this offseason. Jalen Reagor for

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, that's gonna be a tough cover from anybody.

1164
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: The TCU wide receiver that was drafted by Philadelphia. You've

1165
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: got Golden Tate now in New York. You've got Terry

1166
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: McLaurin and what he did last year in Washington. There's

1167
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: plenty of those slot receivers that are gonna put a

1168
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: big time question mark on who is covering those guys

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: throughout the course of divisional play in the NFC East.

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan Lewis, Cheeto Lusier could both fill that role.

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: And that's kind of it at least puts a thumbs

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Speaker 1: up for the list that was given by Rob Phillips

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Speaker 1: in the Cowboys overall, but I still think it's something

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00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: that you have to look at whenever you move forward

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00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: with this defense. Rob, Yeah, I agree, And I think

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the slot position, I would if

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Speaker 1: they moved Cheeto to safety. As Isaiah said that, that's

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Speaker 1: interesting because if then who's who's starting opposite him, If

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00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: it's Xavier Woods, it can do that. I mean, he's

1180
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: moved in and covered nickel on the nickel before um

1181
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: any anthy Brown has done it. I kind of like

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00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: George Lewis in that role just because I like him

1183
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: being around the football. He finds a way to be

1184
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: around the football. But the conclusion I just draw to

1185
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: this thing is if this thing is so wide, wide open,

1186
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: wide open, and you've got a lot of guys that

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: can play a lot of different spots too, and that's

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: exactly what they want. They wanted in front seven and

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00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: they wanted in their secondary guys you can move around

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00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: and play in different packages. Versatility is key. No, Rod, Yeah,

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00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: totally agreement. That's and that's the awesome part about having

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00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: all these athletes, because I think, I know we're trying

1193
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, this guy's gonna play in this position,

1194
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: this GY's gonna play this position. I think sometimes you're

1195
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna have Cheeto playing in a slot. Sometimes you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Woods in the back, you know, back there at safety,

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00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a revolving door. And you're navy,

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Speaker 1: especially with our defensive coordinator, right, I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: know what the heck you're gonna get with him, So

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Speaker 1: you know, I think this is, like I said, like

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Speaker 1: we had attested to, this is a great problem to have,

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00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: and it's always awesome when you can put guys wherever,

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00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: right when you could just come out learn the entire defense,

1204
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: and your defensive coordinator is able to put you in

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: positions and situations that make you the most successful and

1206
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: overall make the whole team successful. And we'll see what

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Speaker 1: they do with Cheeto. But but I remember when he

1208
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: was his first camp with the Cowboys. They hadn't playing everywhere,

1209
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: they didn't playing the nickel, they hadn't playing safety. That

1210
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: they just moved him around. Yeah, they end up playing

1211
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: him a corner. But you can play pretty much anywhere

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: you need him too, and you did that at Colorado too,

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Speaker 1: And to tie a bow on this whole thing in

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Speaker 1: terms of the corners and really our episode here of

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, I do want to make just notice that

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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty and we had an avatar reference from Isaiah.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting on it. I'm waiting on throws it back here.

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Speaker 1: We had an avatar sayment. Apparently all Harris actually chopped

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Speaker 1: off the dreads, so maybe the things kind of over.

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Speaker 1: Let you know that one, but that is that is

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Speaker 1: going to do it here for Talking Cowboys. So glad

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Speaker 1: you've been with us. Hope everybody had a safe and

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Speaker 1: socially distant Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully the weather gets better

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Speaker 1: if you're in the Dallas Fort Worth theory, because there's

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Speaker 1: been nothing but rain here for the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: But that is gonna do it for Heck Harrison, for

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, for the Super Bowl champion, Isaiah stand back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's saying so long until next week here

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