Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted
Speaker 1: colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field. Hope everyone had a merry Christmas. It
Speaker 1: is now the day after Christmas West and we are
Speaker 1: one day closer to Packers lions Ford Field Sunday noon
Speaker 1: Central time start. I don't want to talk about that yet.
Speaker 1: I want to know the best present that Mike Spofford
Speaker 1: god for Christmas? The best what I want to know?
Speaker 1: The best present I got for Christmas? I got a
Speaker 1: brand spanking new Milwaukee Brewers baseball cap with the new logo. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very excited. So what is the color blue
Speaker 1: on that? Then? Is it like the darker blue? Like
Speaker 1: that's that navy? Sort of navy? Do you put together
Speaker 1: a wish list to that? Or is that just the
Speaker 1: kids and the white knowing exactly what to get you? Um,
Speaker 1: it was actually on the list, but they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had to think too hard even if I hadn't written
Speaker 1: it down. So you know what my best present was?
Speaker 1: In addition to being able to spend time with my
Speaker 1: wife and child and everything. Um, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big game of throwing sky, or at least I used
Speaker 1: to be. The relationship kind of got complicated, and I
Speaker 1: also became a very big tie clip guy in these
Speaker 1: last few seasons. So I've noticed that Caitlin got me
Speaker 1: a sword tie clip for Christmas that I'll be wearing
Speaker 1: at the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers game on Sunday.
Speaker 1: There's your transition back to football. There we go, we
Speaker 1: and we will be at Ford Field on Sunday with
Speaker 1: a lot at stake for the Green Bay Packers. A
Speaker 1: win gets a first round by and would keep the
Speaker 1: Packers in the hunt for the number one overall seed.
Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions, their season has gone a completely different
Speaker 1: direction from where they were when we first discussed this
Speaker 1: team back in Week six, when the Lions were coming
Speaker 1: in to play the Packers on Monday Night Football at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field Detroit. Now three eleven and one, they have
Speaker 1: lost eight straight and eleven of their last twelve. They
Speaker 1: were actually undefeated after three games this year at two
Speaker 1: oh and one, and with Matthew Stafford looking like quite frankly,
Speaker 1: they were going to contend for a playoff spot in
Speaker 1: the NFC. But once Stafford started having injury issues, Uh,
Speaker 1: their season went the wrong direct. Well, in Stafford's injury
Speaker 1: issues were a microcosm of the entire team. Now, certainly
Speaker 1: he is their superstar, but you could build an eight
Speaker 1: man football team off of their injured reserve list right now.
Speaker 1: With everything they went through losing Marvin Jones, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement about Mike Daniels. He was really
Speaker 1: never able to get going this year. T J. Hockenson
Speaker 1: their Frockie first round pick, big expectations for him. He
Speaker 1: battled injuries throughout the year before going on injury reserve.
Speaker 1: Even Jeff Driscoll, their backup quarterback, ends up being placed
Speaker 1: on season ending I R. So you go into this
Speaker 1: game at Ford Field, where you're gonna have David Blow
Speaker 1: at quarterback, you have Kyle Sloter as a back up. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's just a very different situation than I think the
Speaker 1: Lions felt they were in when they played the Packers
Speaker 1: earlier this season in October and that really tightly contested
Speaker 1: game at lambeau Field. Yeah, it seemed that it seemed
Speaker 1: that Blow gave them a lift initially when he came in.
Speaker 1: He took the Chicago Bears to the wire on Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: Day at Ford Field. It was his first start, undrafted
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback out of Purdue. Look like he was showing
Speaker 1: some promise, but then, you know, the shine war seemed
Speaker 1: to wear off quickly. Um, things have fizzled and and
Speaker 1: quite frankly, he's looked pretty much like an undrafted rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback you'd expect with all those other injuries. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he he's not exactly playing with a full deck in
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of the complimentary piece and the
Speaker 1: personnel that's around him, no doubt. I mean, Kenny Golladay
Speaker 1: has been exceptional this year. He's a superstar in this league.
Speaker 1: He's one of the top young receivers that the NFL
Speaker 1: has to offer right now, and he seems like a
Speaker 1: real gem for them and a piece to build upon
Speaker 1: going forward here. But the problem is, especially for an
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie like blow and I think to some extent
Speaker 1: you even looked at what happened Garter Minshew in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: It's really easy to catch teams by surprise. But once
Speaker 1: the film starts to get out there a little bit
Speaker 1: and you've got the brightest football minds and the country,
Speaker 1: you know, the world really really dissecting you and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where they can exploit particular weaknesses or
Speaker 1: those type of things. That's when the challenges really present themselves.
Speaker 1: And I think we've kind of seen that with Blow.
Speaker 1: Kudos to him, though, you tip your cap to him.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a couple instances throughout the league
Speaker 1: this year where undrafted rookies have had to start games,
Speaker 1: and meaningful games in some cases for these teams, and
Speaker 1: and it's not an easy situation for any first year
Speaker 1: player to be thrown into, but especially when you've kind
Speaker 1: of taken that back channel into the league. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Blow had to do it on a short week there
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving and and put up a heck of a
Speaker 1: fight against the Bears. In fact, you know, the Lions
Speaker 1: were awfully, awfully close to winning that game and held
Speaker 1: held the lead late and even had an opportunity after
Speaker 1: they gave up the lead to win that. But I
Speaker 1: also it also felt like when the Lions didn't win
Speaker 1: that game that you know, some of the some of
Speaker 1: the spirit of the team was was sapped a little bit,
Speaker 1: because then then it was like, Wow, they weren't able
Speaker 1: to beat the Bears on thanksgiving me any chance of
Speaker 1: really staying in this thing or making any kind of
Speaker 1: a late season runs seemed to seem to go away
Speaker 1: when they couldn't pull that one out in front of
Speaker 1: the national audience. And it is a tragedy for Detroit
Speaker 1: and its fan base because I mean, Matthew Stafford was
Speaker 1: having arguably his best season of his energy. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: legitimate m VP candidate at the time that this back
Speaker 1: injury whatever you know, whatever have you, kind of flared
Speaker 1: up for him because he'd been making the appropriate reads.
Speaker 1: It seemed like he'd really been able to find his momentum.
Speaker 1: He's established weapons now in that offense, and realistically, I mean,
Speaker 1: Matthew Staffords a top ten quarterback in this league, and
Speaker 1: when you give him a foundation to work with, history
Speaker 1: has shown he's going to be able to produce for you.
Speaker 1: The Lions just haven't been able to cross that threshold
Speaker 1: winning a playoff game, winning a division title, and this
Speaker 1: year it looked like early on, especially again going back
Speaker 1: to that October game, it looked like they may have
Speaker 1: an offense that could do it, and unfortunate for them
Speaker 1: a couple of bolls balls did not bounce their way,
Speaker 1: and then these injury bugs crept up on him. And
Speaker 1: then you look at their backfield right now. I mean
Speaker 1: they've gone through four or five different running backs. Trade Carson,
Speaker 1: who was on the Packers roster for a time this season.
Speaker 1: He went there, played, immediately got injured. He goes on.
Speaker 1: I r uh, they do get Carrie on Johnson back,
Speaker 1: you know both. Scarborough has been a real big plus
Speaker 1: for them, him coming over a nice little find, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, being able to get him off of the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's practice squad, I believe. But just the consistency of
Speaker 1: it and other than Galada, you're week to week weapons
Speaker 1: that just hasn't been there. Yeah. And I think the
Speaker 1: other thing, really injuries aside that hasn't come together for
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia in his two years as head coach there
Speaker 1: with the Lions is the defense they have. They have
Speaker 1: Darius Slay He's one of the best cornerbacks. Any team
Speaker 1: would love to have that guy out on the boundary
Speaker 1: defending wide receivers. He's one of the best out there.
Speaker 1: But collectively, it hasn't come together for them as a group. Defensively. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I thought with Stafford he was going to give them
Speaker 1: a chance to stay in a lot of games this year.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen when Stafford went out, and this defense,
Speaker 1: frankly Wes has has really struggled well. So this is
Speaker 1: the thing that's tough for for Detroit. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys in that Packers locker room, especially after
Speaker 1: the game against Minnesota, that were very complimentary of the
Speaker 1: defense that Detroit still has. Those Statistically they would rank
Speaker 1: in the bottom third of the league right now in
Speaker 1: most categories. But the problem I think when you go back,
Speaker 1: is that they were so good there for a short time.
Speaker 1: You think around two thousand and fourteen, you know, when
Speaker 1: Nodamican Sue was kind of in his prime and in
Speaker 1: the weapons they had built around him, and then they
Speaker 1: just had this attrition with the roster, whether it be
Speaker 1: age or whether it be injury in some cases where
Speaker 1: that depth, that strength sort of wore away. They thought
Speaker 1: like they maybe had it with zichy Anza, he ends
Speaker 1: up having his own share of injuries that he had
Speaker 1: to deal with. So then they go and get Trey Flowers.
Speaker 1: I mean, they made him the one of the top
Speaker 1: pass rushers taken off this market. And while he does
Speaker 1: have seven sacks on the year, I don't think has
Speaker 1: been the dominating force that everybody thought he was going
Speaker 1: to be after, you know, the career that he put
Speaker 1: together in New England. So and there's been injuries, there's
Speaker 1: been issues of that case. I know, I think it's
Speaker 1: a Shawan Robinson. It's actually wasn't practicing or was estimated
Speaker 1: as not practicing on Christmas. So, uh, A lot of
Speaker 1: things have contributed to it. But as you originally said,
Speaker 1: I mean, the overall production has not been there and
Speaker 1: unfortunately for them, without Stafford, they don't have the firepower offensively,
Speaker 1: they haven't had it to be able to win some
Speaker 1: of those you know, bigger high scoring games. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: downtrodden team eight consecutive losses playing out the string. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Packers have so much to play for. What do
Speaker 1: the Packers have to do to? And I hate using cliches,
Speaker 1: but to avoid that proverbial letdown because of not only
Speaker 1: the opponent you're playing, but the victory the Packers are
Speaker 1: coming off of. You are on a short week, the
Speaker 1: holiday has gotten mixed in here, so it's a lot
Speaker 1: of different circumstances here leading up to a week seventeen game.
Speaker 1: How do the Packers keep the focus where it needs
Speaker 1: to be with the caveat as you already said of
Speaker 1: you cannot look past any opponent. There is no bye weeks,
Speaker 1: and Matt four has been very consistent in his messaging
Speaker 1: to his football team this year that every single week
Speaker 1: it's the same focus, it's the same objective in the
Speaker 1: same goal. All that being said, the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: pound for pound, are a significantly more talented team at
Speaker 1: this point of the season than the Lions are. Offensively,
Speaker 1: I think there's always going to be a certain amount
Speaker 1: of randomness to it because it can be you know,
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers stepping up with a big game or Darius Slay.
Speaker 1: Those type of playmakers could potentially you know, weave the
Speaker 1: game in and out and make it closer than it
Speaker 1: probably should be in terms of the the odds going
Speaker 1: into this. Where I think the Packers really have the
Speaker 1: strong left handed punch on this is that with blows
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback with the failure to this point to
Speaker 1: establish a consistent running game. To me, on paper, the
Speaker 1: screams Smith's day. It screams Kenny Clark. It screams being
Speaker 1: able to pressure the quarterback, get some mistakes, get some takeaways,
Speaker 1: and and don't make this a real, you know, contested fight.
Speaker 1: Last week went Form for the better part of sixty minutes,
Speaker 1: went about his picture perfect as you could hope for it.
Speaker 1: For the defense, it's not easy to just consistently dominate
Speaker 1: at this level. But I think the Packers need to
Speaker 1: pull with specifically on the defensive side, need to step up,
Speaker 1: press that gas pedal again and finish this thing strong, because,
Speaker 1: as the T shirt said, North is not enough. They
Speaker 1: know what's on the line here, and you put away
Speaker 1: Alliance team that has three wins at this point, you
Speaker 1: have a first round by and depending on what else
Speaker 1: happens with some of these scenarios could be as high
Speaker 1: the number one seed. To me, it's the defense that
Speaker 1: has to set the tone. Yeah, I would agree with you.
Speaker 1: The Packers, as I had mentioned, I think on our
Speaker 1: last show on Christmas Eve, the Packers control the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage on both sides of the ball against the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, the two best position groups on the field
Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football, where the Packers defensive line and
Speaker 1: the Packers offensive line. And I think if the Packers
Speaker 1: should be able to continue that in my opinion against
Speaker 1: Detroit on Sunday, and if they do, they should be
Speaker 1: in great shape as long as as long as you're
Speaker 1: not turning the ball over. I mean, you don't want
Speaker 1: to go into Ford Field and turn it over three
Speaker 1: times in the first half again, because then you just
Speaker 1: never know. Of course, but that being said, the Packers
Speaker 1: looking to take care of business here, you hop on
Speaker 1: the flight back home after the early game, and then
Speaker 1: you settle in and watch the Seattle San Francisco battle
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football for the NFC West Championship, where
Speaker 1: if if the Packers do get their victory, then if
Speaker 1: Seattle beat San Francisco, the Packers are elevated all the
Speaker 1: way to the number one seed in the NFC, and uh,
Speaker 1: that's certainly a position they would like to be in
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting, a lot of interesting scenarios here
Speaker 1: because the because the New Orleans Saints still in the
Speaker 1: running for a first round by the Seattle San Francisco
Speaker 1: game as well as the Packers game, will impact where
Speaker 1: the Saints end up in the seating and as we
Speaker 1: know with with regard to that NFC West, the loser
Speaker 1: of that is dropping all the way to the five seed,
Speaker 1: whereas the winner could be well, if the forty Niners
Speaker 1: win it, they are the one, so for them, it's
Speaker 1: the difference between the one and the five. For the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: they'll know obviously exactly what the stakes are by the
Speaker 1: time it kicks off in the evening, but the Seahawks
Speaker 1: could end up with The Seahawks could end up with
Speaker 1: the two, or the three or the five if they
Speaker 1: were to lose. So there's still a lot to be
Speaker 1: sorted out here in the NFC with exactly where everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna and the stakes are incredibly high for that San
Speaker 1: Francisco Seattle game because much like the Packers experience going
Speaker 1: back to two thousand twelve, whoever loses that there's a
Speaker 1: chance that they can be playing on Saturday night with
Speaker 1: with the quick turnaround that is asked of of teams
Speaker 1: at this league. So that's something else you have to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. I would I would think this
Speaker 1: is just this is just me, but I would think,
Speaker 1: knowing that the loser of Seattle San Francisco is going
Speaker 1: to be the five seed, and that that team will
Speaker 1: be playing at the winner of the NFC East, which
Speaker 1: would be their Dallas or Philly. If Philly wins it's game,
Speaker 1: the Eagles are the NFC East champs, that the Philly
Speaker 1: or Dallas home game in the playoffs would be the
Speaker 1: last one on Sunday afternoon because the loser of Seattle
Speaker 1: San Francisco is going to be is going there. If
Speaker 1: the league makes that losing team play on Saturday on
Speaker 1: the road on wild card weekend, I think that would
Speaker 1: I just think that would be patently unfair. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: The one thing about that Packer game is they were
Speaker 1: able to host on that Saturday. But that was a
Speaker 1: tight turnaround, Yeah, it was. It was the Packers were
Speaker 1: at home. They were at home and also end up
Speaker 1: being a big thing for Christian Ponder because then he
Speaker 1: wasn't able to play in that game into your web
Speaker 1: had to make the start. All those scenarios, though, are
Speaker 1: things the Packers don't have to worry about right now.
Speaker 1: What the Packers have to worry about is what's in
Speaker 1: front of them with the Lions and the other thing
Speaker 1: I want to point out to. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: seeing all these these articles so far and you can
Speaker 1: only need to look at certain you know, ticket broker
Speaker 1: websites to see this. I mean, there's not a high
Speaker 1: demand for these tickets right now with with the Lions
Speaker 1: kind of being in the predicament that they're in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever gases left in the tank with that fan base,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go and you can take them
Speaker 1: out of that in the first quarter, because we've seen
Speaker 1: week seventeen games in Detroit, it can be as loud
Speaker 1: as any you know, stadium in the league. When they're energizing,
Speaker 1: there's a reason to really, you know, back their team.
Speaker 1: But at three eleven and one, if you go out
Speaker 1: there with a big defensive stand or a successful first
Speaker 1: drive offensively, that could be all you need to make
Speaker 1: it a lambeau Field East kind of matchup. How many
Speaker 1: how many Packer fans you think will show up. And
Speaker 1: as you said, the ticket, the ticket price, they're not expensive.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a Midwestern city. I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: a lot of Packer fans within driving distance to Detroit
Speaker 1: who could get there. I'm I'm curious to see how
Speaker 1: much Green and Gold will be in the stands on Sunday.
Speaker 1: With so much at stake for Green and you did
Speaker 1: the insider inbox on Christmas for the for today, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's already a lot of people saying, you know, we're
Speaker 1: planning to go out there. I've I've seen I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking if we're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: pep rallies or things like that. Yeah, and we'll be
Speaker 1: doing it in the concourse over at the airport. Now
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, but uh no, I mean like there
Speaker 1: is a big opportunity there too. I mean, dude, Mike,
Speaker 1: you even look at that game in Minnesota. I was
Speaker 1: really surprised by the amount of Packer fans that packed
Speaker 1: in there. And then in the second half when things
Speaker 1: weren't really going so well for the skull crew, I
Speaker 1: mean it was there was a lot of fervor, a
Speaker 1: lot of Go Pack, Go Chance. Yeah there was a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement. Yeah there was a lot and and
Speaker 1: it actually was an attendance record for US Bank Stadium,
Speaker 1: which I think is saying something when the Vikings have
Speaker 1: hosted a playoff game there, which they did against New Orleans,
Speaker 1: and that stadium has hosted a Super Bowl, and yet
Speaker 1: the largest attendance in that stadium to date was the
Speaker 1: Monday night. Would you surprise at all it was only
Speaker 1: sixty seven thousand, Like if you, if you I just
Speaker 1: walk into the stadium, I would think that was at
Speaker 1: least north of seventy thousand seats. And oh, I guess
Speaker 1: I just remember from the first time we were there
Speaker 1: in I knew I didn't know the exact number, but
Speaker 1: I knew that the capacity was somewhere in the high
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's like Dallas with a hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: I mean it is pretty like it. The sixty seven
Speaker 1: it feels a lot more than that. Maybe that's just
Speaker 1: a credit to their fans. But in terms of Green
Speaker 1: Day with this game, I look at it and look
Speaker 1: at this matchup, and it's also an opportunity to kind
Speaker 1: of exercise some demons. The last two years against Detroit
Speaker 1: have not ended so hot. Yeah, those, Yeah, these these
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks seventeens against the Lions, it's been
Speaker 1: an ugly finish for green two thousand seventeen, they had
Speaker 1: to take it on the chin. Last year, it was
Speaker 1: obviously the shut out at lambeau Field, and that was
Speaker 1: sort of the beginning of this whole renovation, you could say,
Speaker 1: over the last eleven ten, you know, twelve months. I
Speaker 1: just I think there's so many things for Green Bay
Speaker 1: to really propel itself now into the postseason with a
Speaker 1: strong performance against Alliance team that by most people's estimations,
Speaker 1: they should beat. Yeah. Well, as we go through the
Speaker 1: tail end of the week here, we will be keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on the Packers injury report. Um the latest update. Now,
Speaker 1: the Packers did not practice on Christmas Day, so the
Speaker 1: injury report has estimations as to who would have practiced
Speaker 1: or not. There are a few guys on there who
Speaker 1: would have been given the veteran rest. That's sort of
Speaker 1: been an ongoing pattern with some of the veteran players
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Graham and Tremont Williams and and some of
Speaker 1: those guys. But the injury report did estimate that Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams with his shoulder injury would not have practiced. We
Speaker 1: will see with regards to Thursday and Friday as as
Speaker 1: the week goes along. I think that's maybe the most
Speaker 1: important injury. Brian Balagas on the injury report too, he
Speaker 1: had a groin injury was estimated as a d NP. Now,
Speaker 1: if a guy's dealing with something, you have to say
Speaker 1: it, it it could very well been a veteran rest day too.
Speaker 1: It's only speculation at this point. ESPNS robbed Demowsky did
Speaker 1: talk to Jamal Williams in the locker room on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: though Jamal seemed to express that, you know, he feels
Speaker 1: confident he'll play in this game. We'll see, I mean,
Speaker 1: you'll have to see. The packers also have to weigh
Speaker 1: out too that if you know there's a you know,
Speaker 1: potential that they want to keep him healthy or let them,
Speaker 1: you know, have that extra rest, you can go that
Speaker 1: direction as well. Things we'll all have to figure out
Speaker 1: as the Packers go back, and what I would imagine
Speaker 1: would be pads on Thursday, right, I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of how they this week. Yeah, no, I'm guessing I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that coming off of the Monday night, which of
Speaker 1: them already they might be out of him. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Uh yeah, the Packers will have be able
Speaker 1: to have one padded practice per week in the postseason,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're putting on the pads next year.
Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do. I'm actually gonna have
Speaker 1: a little checklist at my desk to keep tracking, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I always lose track lists December comes in. But
Speaker 1: all these things being said, we'll learn a lot more
Speaker 1: with their walkthroughs and their practices here these next couple
Speaker 1: of days. The Packer, you know, no matter what the
Speaker 1: scenarios look like, no matter what you know, how healthy
Speaker 1: they've been, you can still not discount the overall benefits
Speaker 1: of having that first round by I was talking with
Speaker 1: Lexie Kinner, one of our digital assistants today, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, mentioning. It kind of hit me at that
Speaker 1: point that it's been five years since the Packers have
Speaker 1: had a buy you know, in that first round, going
Speaker 1: back to the two thousand, Packers have not played the
Speaker 1: Divisional round playoff game at lambeau Field since the Cowboys
Speaker 1: does Bryant Game five years ago. So I mean you
Speaker 1: have the you know, the run the tables and all
Speaker 1: those tremendous dramatic runs. The Packers have got it now
Speaker 1: before this little bit of a playoff lull. It's still
Speaker 1: there's nothing better though than being able to sit back,
Speaker 1: watch all all the chips fall and then you know,
Speaker 1: do your best in the divisional round to press on
Speaker 1: your own. Basically, the Packers can win their first playoff
Speaker 1: game by winning on Sunday because you don't have to
Speaker 1: play it. Um, that's another way to look at it.
Speaker 1: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition
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