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Speaker 1: Warning, this bonus episode of x ray Vision candad spoilers

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Speaker 1: with Thor, Love and Thunder. Don't listen to it unless

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Speaker 1: you have seen that movie. By Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jasically Stems and welcome Bax to our Vision the Cricket podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. In this bonus episode, we're gonna answer

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Speaker 1: some questions that you sent us about the Thor Loven

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Speaker 1: comics legend Thor writer Thor God of Thunder writer major

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Speaker 1: be interviewed by us and you can hear him talk

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Speaker 1: about just how he created one of the great comic

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Speaker 1: Next up questions. First question from Kate, what's Aersham up

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Speaker 1: to Rosie? What's the Rishima?

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Speaker 1: Of course, the celestial who was kind of pulling the strings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see in some judgment at the end, he's like,

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Speaker 2: come on, I'm just judging you for killing another birthing celestial.

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Speaker 2: You know, I like the casual nature of this question, like,

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things I wonder visa v Eirishim

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Speaker 2: Is anyone has anyone noticed it? Is it something?

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Speaker 1: Is it being worshiped? Is it being ignored?

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Speaker 4: copy that, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was I mean, like, what were those notes?

435
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Speaker 2: Like Mike Marts obviously saw your storytelling kind of instincts,

436
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: and Andrew what was his notes like this script is

437
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: a mess? Or was he like this is quite good, because,

438
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: like you said, I've read hundreds of comic book scripts,

439
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: and every single one is different, and some make a

440
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: lot of sense and some make no sense.

441
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I think he told me I

442
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: won the contest just because my idea was different and

443
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: kind of stood out that mine wasn't set in a bar,

444
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 4: it didn't have Wolverine in flighting ninas. I was. I

445
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: was trying to do like a weird take on a

446
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 4: Flannery O'Connor story where Wolverine, you know, encounters this this

447
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 4: woman on a dirt road winding through the woods and

448
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: they have a conversation about faith, you know, before things

449
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Speaker 4: take a take a turn south. But so I think

450
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Speaker 4: it was just kind of something different.

451
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Speaker 1: It was.

452
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: Mine was a little more character driven. But yeah, in

453
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Speaker 4: terms of actual scripting process, I mean, I think it's

454
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Speaker 4: all kind of a blur. You know, it was just

455
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Speaker 4: I think it's ten pages, eight ten pages something like that.

456
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Speaker 4: So we're talking pretty short story. But I remember Mike

457
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 4: sending me, you know, examples of different scripts to kind

458
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Speaker 4: of to kind of go off of, just because I

459
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Speaker 4: had no clue.

460
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Speaker 1: Really, you mentioned Vertigo, you would go there and release

461
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Speaker 1: a five issue war comic. The other side one aspired that,

462
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Speaker 1: and what was that process like pitching that idea, getting

463
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Speaker 1: that made Well.

464
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Speaker 4: My cousin was Gus Hasford. He was a Vietnam vett

465
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Speaker 4: and a novelist, and he wrote a book called The

466
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Speaker 4: Short Timers, which is what Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket

467
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: was largely based on. So Gus was a big influence

468
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 4: on me, and that he was, you know, my cousin.

469
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Speaker 4: He was from the same neck of the woods. He

470
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Speaker 4: was the first person I ever met who made a

471
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Speaker 4: live in writing. He was very strange, eccentric guy, spent

472
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Speaker 4: time in jail for stealing hundreds of library books, and

473
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Speaker 4: then you know, he'd died too young. He died like

474
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: in the nineties and in like a flophouse motel in Greece.

475
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 4: So I never really got to talk to him much about,

476
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Speaker 4: you know, writing, once I was kind of old enough

477
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Speaker 4: to have something to say about it. So I just

478
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time researching his life and through

479
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: that met a lot of his his fellow marine combat

480
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: correspondence from from his era, and got to hang out

481
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Speaker 4: with some of those guys. And so I think all

482
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: of that led me to want to do a Vietnam

483
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Speaker 4: War book and initially pitched it to Marvel as a

484
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Speaker 4: relaunch of the Noom you know that that eighties series,

485
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: and didn't get picked up there, and just kind of

486
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: pitched it around to different people, and Will Dennis at

487
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 4: Vertigo I focused in on because he edited a lot

488
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Speaker 4: of the books that I really enjoyed reading. And then

489
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Speaker 4: he also had edited the only you know, war comics

490
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: really anybody had done in years, which were those garthiness

491
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Speaker 4: war stories. So yeah, I sent it to him and

492
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: he turned me down like a couple of times, but

493
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Speaker 4: I was I was politely persistent, which I think is

494
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 4: another important key to break it. Not you know, not

495
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: like being a bother or pain in the butt, but like,

496
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: be persistent, just be polite, be respectful of editors time.

497
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Speaker 4: So I send him the script. I had written the

498
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Speaker 4: first issue script and said, hey, would you, you know,

499
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: take a look at it at least and let me

500
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: know what you think, And he said sure, told me again,

501
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: you know, I still can't use it, but I'll take

502
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: a look at it. And then he read it and

503
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, liked it and got greenlit it at Vertigo.

504
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: So I think I've never worked harder in my life

505
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 4: on a comic script than that one, the first, because

506
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Speaker 4: that was the first full, you know, then twenty two

507
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: pages script I'd ever written, which I worked on probably

508
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: for months, so I was still probably the I was

509
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 4: selling book I've ever written. You know, it's the very

510
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: first one, but it was the most important one, I think,

511
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: because you know, it sort of paved the way for

512
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Speaker 4: everything I've done since then. M h.

513
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Speaker 2: And what was it like to go from like this

514
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of personal, heavily researched comic to then like returning

515
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: back to Marvel and going back into that pantheon of

516
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: kind of these huge, iconic, kind of godlike figures.

517
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Speaker 4: I mean, it was great. I mean, in my mind,

518
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of always what I've wanted to do. I mean,

519
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: I love superhero comics. I grew up reading Marvel and

520
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: DC superhero comics. I still read a bunch of them.

521
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: It's not like I'm doing that just because you know

522
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: it's a job or that's what you need to do.

523
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: Like I genuinely enjoyed doing that stuff, but at the

524
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: same time, I wouldn't. I never want to do just

525
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Speaker 4: work for higher stuff, just superhero stuff. I'm always attracted

526
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Speaker 4: to other genres. So kind of right from the get

527
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 4: go in terms of my career, I was doing, you know,

528
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Speaker 4: create her own stuff, balancing with the Marvel and DC stuff.

529
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Speaker 1: What at what point, so do you win this contest

530
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: you're getting stuff made. At what point were you able

531
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Speaker 1: to pursue comics writing as your full time job. Quit

532
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: the job at the video store, put all that stuff away,

533
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: Explain to people I am a comics writer now, and

534
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: then just do that.

535
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Speaker 4: Well, basically, my son just turned seventeen, clearly like two

536
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: weeks ago. He's he's the same age as my comic

537
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: career because I quit my job when he was born,

538
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: and it was right around the time I was working

539
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: on Scalped number one, the beginning of Scalped. Because my

540
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: son's name is Dashel, just like the main character of Scalped.

541
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's about seven seventeen years now, I guess

542
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: I've been I've been full time.

543
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: Wow, And what is that kind of people talk a

544
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: lot about like, do the thing that you love and

545
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: you will never get tired of it, And then when

546
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: we do the thing we love, we're also like, also,

547
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: you will burn out on the thing that you love.

548
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: What's what's that journey been like for you? Because you've

549
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: been a professional comics writer almost as long as you

550
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: were just a fan, you know, so like, what what

551
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: has that journey been like for you of doing it

552
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: full time and doing creator own books that people have

553
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Speaker 2: loved and always coming back to those superheroes too.

554
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's definitely a journey.

555
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: I think you can look at it in terms of

556
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: different acts to my career, which some of which may

557
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: be obvious from people who've been reading along the way.

558
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: Some of them may be more personal and not as obvious,

559
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: So they're definitely it's definitely been you know, a series

560
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: of changes, even though for the most part I've been

561
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: at Marvel. You know, I think I've been exclusive to

562
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: Marvel since I want to say, two thousand and eight

563
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: or so, so, you know, even within that. I you know,

564
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: it's spent like six years, six seven years writing Wolverine stories.

565
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: I've spent seven years writing thor stories since then I've

566
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: been doing Avengers. So it's still I've changed over the

567
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: course of that. My work's changed, the companies changed a lot,

568
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: and I and you know, things are still changing for me,

569
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: as they are for most everybody after the last couple

570
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: of years, right, so, I think this next year for

571
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: me will be another one of even bigger changes. So

572
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: but I think all that's good. I mean, from granted,

573
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: not all of those changes have been good. Certainly the

574
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: ones we've all been dealing with lately have not been.

575
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: But I think it's good and that it just I

576
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: don't ever want to get stagnant or bored or just

577
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: feel like I'm punching the clock and and doing this

578
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: just to pay my bills. I think as a creator,

579
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: you always want to feel like you're challenging yourself and

580
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: doing something that's different than stuff you've done before. So,

581
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, I'm very happy and fortunate that I feel

582
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: like I've been able to do that. I haven't spent

583
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 4: my time doing jobs that were forced upon me that

584
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: I that you know, or somebody else's ideas or things

585
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: that I didn't want to do. So it's been a

586
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: it's definitely been a journey, but been a fun one,

587
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: and I think you do have to be conscious of

588
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: not getting burned out. To me, the only thing I

589
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: think is just the grind of doing ongoing books. I

590
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: think I'm you know, maybe interested in kind of jumping

591
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: off that train at some point and doing more stuff,

592
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: kind of like what I'm doing with Punisher right now,

593
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: or it's just sort of you know, set number of issues,

594
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: set artists, just because I think that can get to

595
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 4: be a bit of a grind when you're having to

596
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: write for, you know, many different artists at the same time.

597
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Let's you mentioned thor uh, and we'd be remiss if

598
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: we did not talk about your run on thor beginning

599
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: with God of Thunder in twenty twelve. Of course, it's

600
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: being adapted for the upcoming Thor Love and Thunder movie.

601
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Speaker 1: In our opinion, we read a lot of comics, it's,

602
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, simply one of the best runs ever. Yeah,

603
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: we talk about in comics like it's it's some of

604
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: the best.

605
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: You got to have some of the best hotests too,

606
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: and some of the.

607
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: Greatest you know, from east Side Ribbage to rust Ouderman,

608
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: on and on. Did you not, like, at what point

609
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: in the run did you did you ever realize like, oh, wow,

610
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: this is this is really good. We're like, really do

611
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: We're really doing something cool.

612
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't remember thinking, hey, this is going

613
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: to be really big or I'll you know. I mean,

614
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: I feel like at this point, if I when I die,

615
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: Thor is going to be mentioned in like the first

616
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: paragraph of my obitually right, Like, I feel like I'm

617
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: pretty firmly established as Thor writer forever. But no, I'd

618
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 4: never stop and think about that along the way. It's

619
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: just sort of the next thing, and it's the thing

620
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: I'm excited to do. And it was a matter of

621
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: good timing and that Thor was not really a character

622
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: I had been long interested in, but that moment in

623
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: time it struck me to whereas, yeah, I think I

624
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: really want to do Thor, and yeah, I got to

625
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: work with an incredible lineup of artists, very very lucky

626
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 4: over the series of people I got to work with.

627
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: I think for me the biggest thing was I'd been

628
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: at Marvel long enough at that point, you know, I'd

629
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: been writing Wolverine Next stuff for so long. I felt

630
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: kind of comfortable with my position in the company, with

631
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: my relationships with everybody, that I kind of had the

632
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: confidence to sort of say, Okay, I'm taking over Thor

633
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: and I'm going to stay here as long as it

634
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: takes me to kind of see all this through, because

635
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: I knew I was kind of laying tracks like this

636
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: is going to take a while, you know, like this

637
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: is going to take years for me to pay all

638
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: this off. And I kind of just said, like, I'm

639
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: going to stay on here until you know, you guys

640
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: fire me or take me off or I'm done, you know,

641
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: one or the other, and kind of felt again, felt

642
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: confident enough to say, like, I feel like I can

643
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: just do that right, Yeah, And thankfully, you know, I

644
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: didn't get fired along the way, and I got to

645
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: finish the story the way I wanted to.

646
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my favorite things about that run from

647
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Thorda Mighty thorn On is how you know, each different

648
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: arc in the run elevated it and changed what was happening,

649
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: added new emotional layers, added new canonical layers. Even never

650
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: played it safe, was always fantastically creative how much of

651
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: that was you mentioned the track? How much of that

652
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: was laid out at the beginning. Obviously there's a bunch

653
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: of different you know, crossover events that intersected with these stories,

654
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: and a bunch of different things, you know, different directions

655
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: that the company was going on editorially over this run.

656
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: So how much of that were you able to kind

657
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: of lay out at the beginning?

658
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of it. Like I had a

659
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: big plan for sort of a lot of different stories,

660
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: pretty much all of which I ended up doing. It's

661
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: just as the kind of once I got to the

662
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: the idea of the Jane Foster story, I very much

663
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: changed the order of things. So some of the stories

664
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: that originally were going to be thor Odin Sun stories

665
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 4: became Jane Foster stories, and things got moved around. So

666
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: I think the Jane part of it definitely shifted things

667
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 4: around in part because I was so like, I enjoyed

668
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: that story so much, Like I kind of, you know,

669
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: I think I did realize you're talking about in terms

670
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: of realizing like the what we were doing. I realized

671
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: in the midst of that Jane Foster story, I'm really

672
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: really happy and really really proud of this, there's a

673
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: lot of meat on these bones, you know, just emotionally,

674
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: Like I knew this is something not just it's fun

675
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: to watch her go around and punch Odin in the

676
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: face and do all this big stuff like that's cool.

677
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 4: But I realize this is a very potential if we

678
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 4: do it right, to be a very powerful emotional story.

679
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: And I feel like we did that. I feel like

680
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: it was first and foremost because it was for all

681
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: of us involved in making it, you know. I mean

682
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: I cried writing issues, and Russell cried drawing them, and

683
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 4: our editors cried when the pages came in. We'd all cry.

684
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: And I'll still do signings, you know, where people bring

685
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: up door comics and start crying and everybody's crying. And

686
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: so I've never I've done stories that have affected people,

687
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: and done other stories I'm really proud of, and then

688
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: I think all the parts came together in the right way.

689
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: But that Jane Fosters story in particular, I think is

690
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 4: a bit of a cut of a cut above especially

691
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: the other Marvel stuff I've done, in terms of the

692
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: impact it's had on people.

693
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to spoil anything for the listeners who maybe

694
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: haven't gotten that far, but the the exact page where

695
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is emotionally surprising and hitting

696
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: me in ways that I was not ready for. Jane's

697
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: in the hospital and Volstag is there asleep in a

698
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: chair like in like a like a bag of chips

699
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: on his on his lap, and you know, it's a

700
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: really simple scene obviously contrasted with with the kind of

701
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: more godlike adventures that Jane is having, and it's so

702
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: grounded and it's so grounded in the friendship, really surprising

703
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: friendship between Volsag and Jane, and it was it was

704
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: just amazing. It was just an amazing scene. I love

705
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: quiet scenes like that as a longtime comics reader, and

706
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: it was that was a moment where I was like, wow,

707
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: this is really good, this is special.

708
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 4: Thanks.

709
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I worked in a comic shop actually in London

710
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: when that was coming out, and it was it was

711
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: one of those books where you could just feel it

712
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: like everyone was so excited when it came in and

713
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: when that first issue of My Etho with Jane on

714
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: the cover and everything, it was just like it was

715
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: the book and it definitely had that kind of emotional

716
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: depth that the best stories that make us fall in

717
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: love comics do. Like me and Jason talk a lot

718
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: about the eighties X Men stuff, like the Clamont stuff,

719
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: that was a lot of what kind of made us

720
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: fall in love with comics.

721
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: And I feel like.

722
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: Those quiet moments and that emotion and the kind of

723
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: impact of that story, which is obviously now still being

724
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: felt like years later, it really comes through in that way.

725
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: And so like, this is the tough situation in the

726
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: work for higher business, is it? What's it like for

727
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: you when you then see Natalie Portman get on stage

728
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: with Taikawai Tit and hold up the hammer and you

729
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: know that she's going to be Jane And then what

730
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: does it feel like a year and a half later

731
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: when you're seeing her on screen in this story that

732
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: this film that is obviously so inspired by the story

733
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: that you guys created.

734
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I can say my experience has been

735
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 4: good and exciting that entire time, from like you said,

736
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: from when I first hear first found out, oh, they're

737
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: going to do Chain's story to oh, you know, Gore

738
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: the god Butcher's going to be in it, and and

739
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: I got to be, you know, more involved in this

740
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: project than kind of anything else before with Marvel Studios.

741
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: So that was nice too to kind of be in

742
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: the loop and and have my opinions sought out. I

743
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: appreciated that. So yeah, it's I can say it's been

744
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: a it's been a fun experience the whole way. It

745
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 4: still is, you know. I'm I'm still going to Target

746
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 4: and buying Jane Foster toys as they pop up on

747
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: the shows.

748
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: The Dream.

749
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 4: Yes, my guest bedroom is full of of you know,

750
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: Jane Foster stuff. So I'm still having fun and I'm

751
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: you know, anxious excited for people to see the finished

752
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: product and to see what what Taika and everybody involved

753
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: has has done with it.

754
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: How does some what's the workflow like with obviously would

755
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: change from team to team, artists to artists, but generally speaking,

756
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing a book with with Russell or

757
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: Shad or whoever, how do you work out the mix

758
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: of script and art?

759
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: I mean to me, it's usually the same regardless of

760
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: who I'm working with. I mean, I remember very early

761
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 4: in my career, I think I was doing a Wolverine

762
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: story with Howard Jakin, you know, and I'd been reading

763
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: Howard Jake and comics since I was a kid, and

764
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: I was very intimidated at the idea of working with them.

765
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: So I thought, well, I'm going to pull out all

766
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: my old American Flag comics and reread them and try

767
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 4: to write a script just for Howard Jakin. And then

768
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: I realized, I don't know how to do that. I

769
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 4: can't do that like I can't. I just have to

770
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: write the script the way I write it, which is

771
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 4: generally I'm you know, I'm not writing those like five

772
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: page panel descriptions like in the Alan Moore Watchman script.

773
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 4: I'm not. In my mind. My job is just to

774
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: kind of give the artist enough of a springboard and

775
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 4: then get out of the way and let them do

776
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: what they do. So that's generally what I do, regardless

777
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: of who I'm working with. I think the few exceptions

778
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 4: are there times I've worked with somebody like Chris Pachallo

779
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: where it would develop into more like a some version

780
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: of a Marvel style approach like which was generally just

781
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: because I would I wrote a full script for him

782
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: and he would change it so radically. It didn't make

783
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: sense for me to do that. Yeah, it's like get

784
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: out of the way of let cause you know, I

785
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: would never have the guts to write a sixteen panel

786
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: page for anybody, even Chris Pachalo, but he would, he

787
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: would break him down that way himself. So I thought,

788
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 4: it's like, well, why don't we just let him do that?

789
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: So I would, and I think I've done that with

790
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: Adam Kubert. Just a couple of guys who want to

791
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: do that. Not all artists, you know, want that responsibility

792
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: of sort of breaking everything down themselves, but some do.

793
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: But beyond that, you know, I just feel like it's

794
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: not my job to tell Russell or as Old or

795
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: any body like how to draw. They know how to

796
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: do that, I don't. I just need to give them

797
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: some cool ideas, give them the emotion that's necessary in

798
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: this in this panel and this beat, and then just

799
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: get out of the way and let them let them

800
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: draw beautiful pictures.

801
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: So you've written like so many incredible characters at this point,

802
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: like your Black Panther, Sea Waconda and Die. That's like

803
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: one of my favorite comics ever. Yeah, it's such a

804
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: rad take on kind of scrolls and the secret invasion stuff.

805
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: Is there is there any characters that you still just

806
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: really really want to write that you have that kind

807
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: of dream. That's the pedestal character that you keep in

808
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: your pocket.

809
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I've I've never walked through my

810
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: career with like a long list of you know, how

811
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: I really want to write this guy, I want to

812
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: write that guy. I realized pretty quickly that the more

813
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: important part was kind of the the real life people

814
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 4: involved in my relationships with the editors and who's going

815
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 4: to draw it, and really kind of what felt right

816
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: for me at that moment in time, as opposed to,

817
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: you know, a character that I grew up reading and

818
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: loving as a kid. So that's kind of always the

819
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: way I've approached it. That said, there definitely, you know,

820
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: there's a short list of characters that I am such

821
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 4: a huge fan of that I've never really gotten to

822
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 4: tell a story with in a big way. I mean,

823
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: you know, Conan the Barbarian was on that list, and

824
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 4: I got to check that one off the last couple

825
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: of years. So yeah, there are definitely other characters a Marvel,

826
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 4: you know, a few. I mean, I feel like at

827
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: this point I've kind of gotten to my stories with

828
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: most everybody and some, but there's some I have not

829
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: really written in any significant way, and certainly haven't outside

830
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: of Marvel, haven't really written anybody else, but I you know,

831
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: I would say an oddball when, which will probably never

832
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: happen in my life, is I'm a huge Uncle Scrooge

833
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: I love.

834
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the good stuff.

835
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 4: I love. Especially the Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge stories I

836
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: think are really incredible, just great comics, like, regardless of

837
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: the fact that they're about talking ducks, like, they're just

838
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: really really good, beautifully drawn, unbelievable. Absolutely. I recommend there's

839
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: hardcovers out now of all of them from I think

840
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: from fantagraphics, really really well done books. I recommend them all,

841
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 4: but I think I would the Uncle Scrooge I would

842
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: put on the list probably if I had made a

843
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: list five years ago, been Conan number one, Uncle Scrooge

844
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: number two. So I've marked off one of those. We'll

845
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 4: see if someday I can get the other one.

846
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: I love that.

847
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where the beginning of Indiana Jones comes from.

848
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, So.

849
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: You know that's some influential stuff.

850
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: Uh, while you're in this sore run, you were releasing

851
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: creator own stuff on image Southern Southern Bastards. Yeah, is

852
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: this wonderful hard boiled southern detective action story that mixes

853
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: like college football at extreme violence. What was it like?

854
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Where'd that story come from? Because it really feels like

855
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: if anybody knows anything about you, you know, the kind

856
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: of spare bio biographical details that are out there. This

857
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: feels like something that you have been ruminating on for

858
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: a while. It comes from your experience in ways maybe

859
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: that some of your marvel work maybe doesn't.

860
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, I grew up in a small

861
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 4: town in Alabama, so I grew up with with football.

862
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 4: I grew up with you know, with religion and football,

863
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: and I think you can see the theme of faith

864
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: and religion spread throughout so much of the stuff I've done,

865
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 4: going back to that you know, first ten page Wolverine story,

866
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: through all of my thort stuff. So I'd never written

867
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: about football in any significant way until I got to

868
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: Southern Bastards, and it really the first idea was I

869
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: hadn't when I was doing Scalped I had an idea

870
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 4: for a crime boss who was a high school football

871
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: coach that I winded up never using, and that was

872
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 4: kind of a great springboard I thought for doing a

873
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, a deep South crime story So it's very

874
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: much about you know, where I grew up, which is

875
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: kind of a as I've talked about, it's a love

876
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 4: letter slash, you know, letter of rage and anger. It's

877
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: sort of the things you love and that you don't

878
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: like so much about about where you're from. I love

879
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 4: being from a small town. I love being from the South.

880
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: I still I think I will always think of myself

881
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: as a Southern writer, even though I've lived outside the

882
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: South now for twenty years, twenty two years. So yeah,

883
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 4: I think it's very much that it's the as Southerners,

884
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 4: we don't like it when people from outside the South

885
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: talk crap about us. We kind of we only take

886
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: that from fellow Southerners. So it's me, you know, just

887
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 4: trying to pour all that into into one comic.

888
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as like, you know, you're such a prolific writer,

889
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: and like you said, you've been writing ongoings, you've been

890
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: writing creative owned, you've been writing samperos. Do you still

891
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: you said you never stopped treating comics. So what's like

892
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: a comic or a story or piece of art that

893
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: you kind of always go back to, no matter how

894
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: far into this journey.

895
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: That's a good question. You know, I think certainly lately,

896
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: you know, after we found out George Prez was sick,

897
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: and then most recently when he passed away, like I

898
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: pulled out a lot of George Prez comics because they

899
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 4: were he As I've talked about, he was the first

900
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 4: comic artist whose work I could recognize as a kid,

901
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: be like, oh, that's the Teen Titans guy. What's this

902
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 4: new book he's doing, Crisis on Infinite Earth. So so

903
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 4: George Prez to find so much of my initial understanding

904
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: and love of comics. And I think even now and

905
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: probably until the day I die, if I if you,

906
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 4: if I close my eyes and you say, you know,

907
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: picture a comic book page, it's drawn by George Perez,

908
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: always in forever. So I've been pulling a lot of

909
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: that stuff out. You know, I have a lot of

910
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: comics like my I just moved like a year and

911
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: a half ago, so I just recently had to move

912
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: them all. So it made me appreciate even more how many,

913
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 4: just how many long boxes I have accumulated. So I

914
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: love digging into I'm pulling out lots of old books,

915
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, Like I said, there was a lot of

916
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 4: stuff from that mid eighties DC period that I loved

917
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 4: Atari Forrest's kind of forgotten Jose Luis Garcia Lopez sci

918
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: fi book Blue Devil that same period by DC. It

919
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: was a huge book for me. And I think, I think,

920
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: I look at Blue Devil and Blue Beetle and and

921
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: ex Caliber, the original ex Caliber. Yeah, I love that,

922
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: the Giffn demitaeas Justice League, like all those things that

923
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: were funny and irreverent, but also you know, had real

924
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 4: emotion and waight and well rounded characters to them. I

925
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: think those books together defined so much of what I

926
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 4: love about comics.

927
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: As a as a fan and a writer. And now

928
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: well into your career, you've seen, you know, the industry

929
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: change from spinner racks to shops to digital and then

930
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the resurgence of of the shops.

931
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Where do you what's what's your take on the way

932
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: the industry has changed and where do you think it's going.

933
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's such a huge question. I don't know

934
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: that I'm qualified to even answer that. I mean, I

935
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, I'm still I'm still the same

936
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: kid who would pluck those books off the spinner rack.

937
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: I still love going to the comic store and buying

938
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 4: books off the shelf.

939
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: The reason I ask is because you know, I think

940
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot of anxiety when digital came up.

941
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Digital media, and you understand it, but then it seems like,

942
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: at least anecdotally to me, in the last couple of years,

943
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: there's been Now people have the choice, and there's a

944
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: lot of people coming into comics now and people are

945
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: seeking out that community of going into the shop and

946
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: talking to the person and getting a poll list and saying, hey,

947
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: what's good, what are you liking, what are you reading?

948
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: And that's something people are willingly doing now and it's

949
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: given me a lot of and I feel great about

950
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: kind of where the community is because of that, which

951
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: is why I ask.

952
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely I agree. I mean, I think there was that

953
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 4: fear of will digital is gonna, you know, ruin the

954
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: brick and mortar stores, and we've seen that's not the case.

955
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I have always felt that whatever stuff, whoever

956
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: you are, whatever stuff you're into, whatever you like to read,

957
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: there's a comic out there for you somewhere right like you.

958
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 4: You just have to be able to find it. You

959
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 4: need to walk into a good shop where they can

960
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: help direct you to it, or you find it, you know, digitally,

961
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 4: however you find it, however you get access to it.

962
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: Whatever that book is, I think, you know, we just

963
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 4: want to welcome people into comics, like please, please come

964
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: find that book. And every time I go to one

965
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: of the great comics stores we have across the country,

966
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 4: where it's you know, Third Y Comics in Maryland, or

967
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 4: the Isotope in San Francisco, or Our Heroes are hard

968
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: to find, and Charlotte a comic shop in Orlando, like

969
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: these are the shops I go to that Every time

970
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: I walk in, I see how passionate the people who

971
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: work there are, how beautiful a shop is, how it's

972
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 4: how easy it is to walk in out of the blue,

973
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: never been in a comic shop before, don't know the

974
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 4: secret handshake or the lingo, don't know anything, just looking

975
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: for something. And it makes me feel good to know

976
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: those people come in this shop, they're in good hands, right,

977
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: They're going to be directed to find a book they

978
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: will enjoy, and they will hopefully make them a comic

979
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: book reader, just like you know New teen Titans did

980
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: for me all those years ago. So I still love that.

981
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: I love that idea of the good shops, and like

982
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: I said, every time I go to them, i'd leave

983
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: excited to go do new work, you know, excited knowing

984
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: like those are the people on the front lines, those

985
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: are the people putting books in the hands of readers.

986
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 4: So it just makes me happy to see people who

987
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: are loving that and win such a great job of it.

988
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Finally, Jason, how are you feeling about the SEC? How

989
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: do you feeling on SEC football this time?

990
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: Well? That's we could do a host separate podcast on that.

991
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he got you know, you got Texas and

992
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: Oklahoma about to join, you got, you know, my my

993
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 4: guy Nick Saban infuriating Jimbo Fisher to the point this firing.

994
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 4: I will just say, you know the like I get it,

995
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: I get it. I get why everybody else in the

996
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 4: country hates Alabama despises Nick Saban. I probably would too

997
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: if I wasn't from Alabama, if I wasn't a Crimson typhan.

998
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: But he is my guy, and you don't want that

999
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: guy pissed off. You don't want him. I mean every

1000
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: time he sort of looks around at the landscape of

1001
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: college football and says, hey, is this how we want

1002
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 4: it to be? And everybody says yes it is. He

1003
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 4: says okay, and then he goes and you is that

1004
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: to win football games? And I feel like this season,

1005
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 4: this team he's got could be the best team he's

1006
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 4: ever had, potential to be the best team he's ever had,

1007
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: which I think should frighten and terrify the rest of

1008
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 4: college football. That's just what that man continues to be

1009
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: capable of.

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Speaker 1: Jason Aaron, thank you so much.

1011
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming.

1012
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: Thank you all. This was fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Jason Aaron for speaking with us, and

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Speaker 1: thank you to all of our listeners for the amazing questions.

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