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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did he jail cell raid?

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Speaker 1: Did he actually demand that others dig up dirt on victims?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us, breaking mused tonight. Did he win? What

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Speaker 1: can I do this anymore? Did Sean Puffy Combes aka

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Speaker 1: love ak A Diddy and on and on? Did he

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Speaker 1: actually order others demanding that they quote dig up dirt

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Speaker 1: on alleged victims? This while he is renewing another bill bid?

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Speaker 1: What judge and here's her right mind, will grant bond

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Speaker 1: bail on a guy that is demanding others dig up

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Speaker 1: dirt on alleged victims? Not only that, we are getting

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Speaker 1: reports that Shawncomb's aka Diddy would let's just say, ask

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Speaker 1: other inmates to use their phone cards, their phones, their

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Speaker 1: phone time to do three ways patch him into people

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Speaker 1: trying to dig up dirt on victims, possibly contacting alleged

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Speaker 1: victims himself, what with bribes or threats? Don't know that yet,

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Speaker 1: but I will find out. Listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs isn't just monitoring social media from behind bars,

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Speaker 2: according to federal prosecutors. Did he is relentlessly attempting to

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Speaker 2: blackmail potential witnesses. The Fed say Combs has been using

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Speaker 2: other MDC inmates' phone access codes to make surreptitious calls.

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Speaker 2: Combs then uses his sons to loop in a third

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Speaker 2: part or directly contacts unauthorized individuals. While the contents of

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Speaker 2: the calls have been redacted in court documents, prosecutors say

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Speaker 2: the conversations clearly outline Comb's in ten to silence witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, He's in a whole bunch of trouble now and more.

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Speaker 3: As part of the interagency contraband sweep at the MDC,

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Speaker 3: agents confiscate nineteen pages of notes from Shawn Combs's belongings

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Speaker 3: and turn them over to federal prosecutors. Among those notes

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Speaker 3: are inspirational quotes, reminders about family and financial matters that

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Speaker 3: need to be discussed, and a to do list. That

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Speaker 3: list includes a need to instruct a family member to

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Speaker 3: quote fine dirt on two potential victims and quote find

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Speaker 3: everything on another victim?

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Speaker 1: Okay now. According to the defense lawyers for Seawan Combs,

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Speaker 1: there were nineteen pages of quote heart felt notes to

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Speaker 1: his lawyers, heart felt notes like dig up on Cassie

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Speaker 1: notes like that, joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we are learning right now, straight

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Speaker 1: out to Alex West, Entertainment reporter with the mirror Alex.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the defense lawyers are screaming to high Heaven

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Speaker 1: this raid was illegal, it was wrong. But can I

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Speaker 1: get to the dig up dirt on victim's part? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So these notes range from the to do list and

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Speaker 4: then the inspirational quotes. However, they also are considered privileged.

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Speaker 4: At least that's what the defense is arguing. Prosecutors, though,

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Speaker 4: of course, are saying the contents are not privileged, especially

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Speaker 4: when we're saying things against rational quotes. But they are saying,

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Speaker 4: they're saying it was privileged. They're arguing that that is

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Speaker 4: not something that could have been taken by the prosecutors,

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Speaker 4: the investigators, and yet it was. And the judge is

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Speaker 4: now ruling that those nineteen pages have to be destroyed

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Speaker 4: and not using court.

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Speaker 1: Eric Fatus joining me, high profile lawyer, founding partner of

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Speaker 1: Varner Fattus, Elite Fattus inspirational quotes. Really, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a dark scene there in the jail.

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Speaker 5: He's got to keep his spirits up and there's nothing

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Speaker 5: wrong with him having inspirational quotes. What he's saying is

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Speaker 5: wrong is the authorities coming in ransacking his entire cell,

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Speaker 5: taking privileged confidential communications between him and his attorney. That

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Speaker 5: relationship is sacriseang Nancy, as you know. And so he's

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Speaker 5: saying that, hey, that's an invasion here and the prosecution

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Speaker 5: should be punished.

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Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus, you do know that Sean Combs

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Speaker 1: has been denied bail twice so far or more because

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Speaker 1: of prior threats on alleged victims. So you're telling me

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Speaker 1: that his inspirational quotes, including demands that others dig dirt

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Speaker 1: on alleged victims, with his track record, I mean fattous

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Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.

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Speaker 1: We know he has already allegedly threatened other witnesses, possibly

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Speaker 1: bribe them. And now he's making up to do lists

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Speaker 1: not just for his lawyers, but for family and friends

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Speaker 1: to quote get dirt on victims, to intimidate them. You

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Speaker 1: know how many rape victims I've had that don't want

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Speaker 1: to take the stand. They get on the stand and

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Speaker 1: down on the prosecutors. What world are you living in, man.

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Speaker 5: Well, the world that the judgeas in, because he's already

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Speaker 5: come down on the prosecution. All this look look, witness intimidation.

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Speaker 5: Witness tampering is completely impermissible. That being said, defense has

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Speaker 5: engaged in a crime of dishonesty? These are appropriate measures

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Speaker 5: That of course is impremission.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's impermissible. But let's put this three inches

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Speaker 1: list straight out to Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate warden

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Speaker 1: at this CI Correctional Institution, MDC and Brooklyn, former Senior warden,

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Speaker 1: US Department Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, founder of a

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Speaker 1: New Daylight Foundation, and author of Who Are You See It?

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Speaker 1: Say It? Seize It? Doctor Hendrix? Isn't it true that

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Speaker 1: in a CI correctional institute there are routine sweeps in

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Speaker 1: inmates sales, and you find all sorts of stuff. You

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Speaker 1: find shanks, you find Pruno, homemade wine, you find phones,

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Speaker 1: you find gus, you find drugs. Isn't that true, doctor Hendrix?

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Speaker 6: Yes, that is true. And staff are charged with doing

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Speaker 6: their legal material. They will separate their legal material from

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Speaker 6: other material that they may have in their cell. Now

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Speaker 6: I can tell you where he's being housed right now.

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Speaker 6: It's in the dormitory style unit on the on the

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Speaker 6: East building of NBC Brooklyn, so he would it's bunk

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Speaker 6: inmates will keep their belongings under their mattress. And apparently

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Speaker 6: he's not separating his legal work from these other material,

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Speaker 6: these inspirational notes and different things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: Why do you keep saying inspirational notes, inspirational notes like

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Speaker 6: Well, that's where the that's where the issue comes in.

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Speaker 6: That's not legal work. If he's saying, you know, if

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Speaker 6: he's saying dig up dirt or call this person, call

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Speaker 6: I would guarantee that they didn't go specifically to his

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Speaker 6: that came out of those these alleged three way calls

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Speaker 6: where he was using other inmates pack numbers, and basically

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Speaker 6: because this voice recognized so the inmates would happen. A

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Speaker 6: pack number is a number of signed to each inmate

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Speaker 6: with that pack number that's assigned to that person. Then

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Speaker 6: they would call a contact that's on their approved list,

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Speaker 6: whoever's trying to make the illegal three way call. And

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Speaker 6: apparently he did that.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Hendrix, let me ask you a question. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: a violation a jail policy to use other people's packs.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and he probably lost his phone privileges once they

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Speaker 6: found out that he was using these other inmates pack

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Speaker 6: needs to understand they're monitoring all those inmates calls in

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Speaker 6: assessment and put him in a general population unit. He's

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Speaker 6: more likely housed with other individuals that's probably charged with

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Speaker 1: Charges to doctor Bethany Marshall joining US renowned psychoanalyst out

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Speaker 1: of LA, author of deal Breaker. You can see her

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany mar Marshall. Second verse, same as the first.

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Speaker 1: The rules don't apply to do they They didn't out

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Speaker 1: here in civilian land, and they don't behind bars. He's

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Speaker 1: using other inmates packs to use their phone access. He

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Speaker 1: to be the subject of derision, to be attacked on

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Speaker 1: long Cassie Ventira kept it secret that she was beaten

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Speaker 1: doing it again behind bars. And who's getting it up

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Speaker 1: the rear end the prosecutors.

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Speaker 7: That's right, Nancy. Two things stand out to me. One

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Speaker 7: of the things is that probably his children were on

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Speaker 7: the approved caller list, and allegedly he is instructing one

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Speaker 7: of his children friend to get in touch with a

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Speaker 7: victim and get dirt on them. So think about that,

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Speaker 7: using your own children allegedly to commit a crime. The

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Speaker 7: other is that victims are extraordinarily ashamed because on some

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Speaker 7: unwilling participation becomes confused with willing and then they really

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Speaker 7: want to hide. They're going to be put off from society.

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Speaker 1: You know, let me ask you this, faddest you were

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor at one time. You ever seen a shank?

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Speaker 1: And photo? Oh in photos Chris McDonald joining me, former

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Speaker 1: homicide detective, former vice detective director Cole Case Foundation. I

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Speaker 1: found them on the interview room on YouTube. Have you

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I've seen one made out of a toothbrush where

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Speaker 1: Let's see the MDC Brooklyn amenities in door outdoor facilities

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Speaker 1: for games and sports, cable TV movie nights on weekends.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's giving me a movie nights that come with popcorn

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Speaker 1: and soda. In the last hours, we learn about a

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Speaker 1: jail cell Raid on Ditty's new digs at MDC. He's

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Speaker 1: already been transferred to a better location in a dorm

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Speaker 1: twenty pages of quote heart felt notes to his lawyer,

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Speaker 1: including demands that dirt be dug up on the alleged victims.

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Speaker 1: Again when you don't know a horse, look at his

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Speaker 1: shrick record listen.

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Speaker 2: Jamal shined bar says he wanted nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: Diddy after his conviction for the club and why shooting that.

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Speaker 2: Barrow says, Comb's committed. Barro says the singular time Combs

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Speaker 2: came to visit him, he tried to spit in Combe's face.

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Speaker 2: After serving ten years, Combs convinces Barrow to meet and

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Speaker 2: gives him fifty thousand dollars as restitution for taking the fall.

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Speaker 2: Barrow says five thousand dollars per year served felt like

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Speaker 2: a slap in the face when compared to the half

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Speaker 2: million dollar shopping sprees he treated Cassie to.

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Speaker 1: He probably gave me like fifty RECs.

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Speaker 9: And I'm like, you know, you can't be serious like

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Speaker 9: he p's ten years fifty RECs.

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Speaker 1: That's Jamal Shine at Barrows speaking to our friends at

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Speaker 1: that Comb's will pay off a witness. The last thing

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Speaker 1: and he comes had to go to jail for it.

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Speaker 1: We know, isn't it true? Straight out to Alex West

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Speaker 3: Listen, prosecutors argue there has been no wrongdoing, as the

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Speaker 4: Obviously, those conversations are happening in courts and they're making

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dwayne Hendrix, who was associate warden at MDC.

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Speaker 6: No, not in a specific thing. Whether this rate happened

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Speaker 1: Dr Hendricks, I think you're right. I think something originated

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Speaker 2: Listen, Judge Supermanian calls an emergency hearing on the matter,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Hendrix, I want to understand from you if this

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Speaker 6: It is, and I think it was just coincidental in

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Speaker 6: It's one thing to have one inmate to you have

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Speaker 10: Secutters allege that the bittersweet video of Sean Diddy Combe's

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Speaker 10: In court documents, prosecutors claim Combs explicitly told family members

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Speaker 1: Wow, imagine that using his own children as a PR stunt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I remember seeing the posts come up, and

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Speaker 4: So he's in close contact with his family. I can't

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Speaker 1: Just just hold on just a moment. You don't see

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Speaker 7: Oh right, hard to believe, right, You know, this might

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Speaker 7: of the benefits flow to the children.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: We think about our children, we want to love and

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Speaker 7: And these allegend crimes really do mirror a cult, a

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Speaker 7: you know, all these inspirational quotes.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say inspirational quotes? Just what did you

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Speaker 1: drink the kool aid? Inspirational quotes? My rear end those

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Speaker 1: nineteen pages is all about find dirt on Cassie, find

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Speaker 1: They're not just you know what I can't hear you

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Speaker 9: If yours King Kombe and right now taking over my

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Speaker 9: pops Instagram. We're gonna be posting videos by spreading you know,

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Speaker 9: good energy and taking all down memory laying all the

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Speaker 9: Let's go. We love you, Potch, have your birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's from Didy's official instapage. You know what, let me

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Speaker 1: go out to Shannon Henry joining us in addition to

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Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit whose mission is to stop trafficking and

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Speaker 11: I was chomping at the bit to get in here

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Speaker 11: This is the abuser's playbook on steroids, and he's doing

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Speaker 11: He's even convinced a jury to our people to say, hey,

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Speaker 11: let him be unshackled when he comes into this courtroom,

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Speaker 11: because that road runs both ways. They could also presume

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Speaker 1: Do you ever wake up our morning coveted baby or

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Speaker 1: But well, lucky you, I guess you didn't go to

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Speaker 1: Comb's using multiple other inmates pack numbers to conduct three

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Speaker 1: It's about what happened to the alleged victims. We can

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Speaker 1: talking about. Let me just bring it home. Rape victims

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Speaker 1: go the rest of their lives suffering, They have flashbacks.

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Speaker 1: It affects the way they live from that point forward.

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Speaker 1: Some of them never get over it. That's what we're

436
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Speaker 1: talking about. But in the news now is Combs's home,

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Speaker 1: his mansion.

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Speaker 12: Listen, this house is amazing, great architecture, the guest quarters,

439
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Speaker 12: I don't know, not big enough for guests with like

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Speaker 12: security staff or personal staff, but everything else really checks

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Speaker 12: every single box. This house is listed for sixty one

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Speaker 12: point five million. My target is thirty million. Investors stay

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Speaker 12: away from houses like this, the Kanye West House, the

444
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Speaker 12: p Diddy house, but this is our target. We take

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Speaker 12: the house, we renew it, we restore it, but we

446
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Speaker 12: also changed the persona in the stigma. We make sure

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Speaker 12: this house.

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Speaker 1: Is number one hm HM That is from at Bellwood

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Speaker 1: b Oh talking about the great architecture. The house is amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's listed for sixty one point five million dollars. But

451
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Speaker 1: right row, there may be a problem.

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Speaker 13: And here's the problem. Nancy Jason height property manager of

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Speaker 13: a Las Vegas rental, says Colmbs made odd requests that

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Speaker 13: now can only be described as chilling. Combs rented a

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Speaker 13: Las Vegas mansion to host a birthday party for Meek

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Speaker 13: Mills in twenty fourteen. Heighte says Colmbs insisted that all

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Speaker 13: bedroom doors be equipped with double sided locks and that

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Speaker 13: he be provided the only keys. Hede says the home

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Speaker 13: was left a disaster. The bedrooms in particular left and squallor.

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Speaker 13: He found use condoms and smears of lubricant on countertops

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Speaker 13: and floors, cocaine and half empty liquor bottles everywhere, and

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Speaker 13: the bedding in several rooms was bloodstained.

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Speaker 1: I may need to hear that again. Alex West joining

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Speaker 1: me entertainment reporter with the mirror. Let me understand, I've

465
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Speaker 1: got this flashy real estate guy in front of Sean

466
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Speaker 1: Combs's mansion talking about let's see, what were his exact words, man,

467
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Speaker 1: this house is amazing. And then I've got a property

468
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Speaker 1: manager stating that used condoms, smears of lubricant on countertops

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Speaker 1: and floors, cocaine, half empty liquor bottles with blood stained betting,

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Speaker 1: and several of the rooms.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that, Alex, You know we've been seeing

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Speaker 4: reports about that from hotels. The prosecutors say that this

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Speaker 4: is kind of similar to what was happening in these

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Speaker 4: hotel hells where they were giving different supplies for free

475
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Speaker 4: golfs and that's including new bedding, fresh bedding, And now

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Speaker 4: you know they're saying in these houses there was blood

477
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Speaker 4: on the sheets. So it really does seem similar to

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Speaker 4: what was occurring in these alleged alleged incidents at these hotels.

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Speaker 4: We do know, while this house might be grand, that

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Speaker 4: stigma isn't going to easily go away when we know

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Speaker 4: that these events were supposedly happening. We know that these

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Speaker 4: giant parties were happening, and now they're saying allegedly that

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Speaker 4: they were in disarray in gross conditions, including blood and

484
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Speaker 4: so many other different things. Right, So it's weird. The

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Speaker 4: idea of trying to change the stigma is very strange.

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Speaker 1: To Shannon Henry joining US President founder of surviving assault,

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Speaker 1: standing strong lubricant on countertops and floors, cocaine, half empty

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Speaker 1: liquor bottles, bloodstains in multiple bedrooms, on the sheets and

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Speaker 1: the covers. Doesn't sound like a party to me. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a crime scene.

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Speaker 11: It is a crime scene, Nancy. And what's amazing to

492
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Speaker 11: me is that you have these people that have been

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Speaker 11: invited to something that seemed lavish and sexy, but what

494
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Speaker 11: you find is that it was really and truly humiliation

495
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Speaker 11: rituals going on behind the doors of these homes and

496
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Speaker 11: hotels and combs was at the top of all of it.

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Speaker 1: What about a doctor, Bethany a party? It doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: like any party I've ever been to. Never, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: This is consistent with luring victims with some kind of

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Speaker 7: a promise, just like giving a child candy or saying

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Speaker 7: I have a puppy dog around the corner, although this

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Speaker 7: is probably Crystal and Camus and Caviare and all of that,

503
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Speaker 7: so that the victims really are made to believe that

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Speaker 7: they're going to have a special experience. But these legend

505
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Speaker 7: crimes are more consistent with a rape machine, almost like

506
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Speaker 7: a killing machine. When someone goes on a spree. This

507
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Speaker 7: would be consistent with the rape scene and also Nancy

508
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Speaker 7: those Florida ceiling mirrors we talked about in another show.

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Speaker 7: This would be consistent with the perpetrator who is so

510
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Speaker 7: controlling that they want to see everything that's going on

511
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Speaker 7: from every angle, so that nobody is doing anything that

512
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Speaker 7: the perpetrator does not want them to do.

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Speaker 1: Bethany, I know you're a high profile psycho analyst joining

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Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills. You're on Peacock, You're famous,

515
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Speaker 1: You've written books. Have you ever been in a cow

516
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Speaker 1: pasture and seeing those little bugs flying around? How can

517
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Speaker 1: I say this? The cowpoop, patties of cowpoop? You ever

518
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: seen that? I certainly have. Okay, those little flies flying

519
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: around cowcrap? It stinks to high Heaven. I want to

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: see that video again.

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Speaker 12: Is amazing. Great architecture, the guest quarters, I don't know,

522
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Speaker 12: not big enough for guests with like security staff or

523
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Speaker 12: personal staff, but everything else really checks every single box.

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Speaker 12: This house is listed for sixty one point five million.

525
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Speaker 12: My target is thirty million. Investors stay away from houses

526
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Speaker 12: like this, the Kanye West House, the p Diddy house,

527
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Speaker 12: but this is our target. We take the house, we

528
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Speaker 12: renew it, we restore it, but we also changed the

529
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Speaker 12: persona in the stigma. We make sure this house is

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Speaker 12: number one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why he's calling this a mansion and

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Speaker 1: we're sixty one million dollars because it looks like a

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Speaker 1: steam and pile of cowcrap to me, and whoever's buzzing

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Speaker 1: around it that's on them that is from at Bell

535
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Speaker 1: would be oh, and you know what did he needs

536
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Speaker 1: that house to sell because trust me, he's going to

537
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Speaker 1: need that money for his defense.

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Speaker 3: Well Tony Buzzby filed five new lawsuits against Sean Combs.

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Speaker 3: An anonymous celeb filed a suit against him that John

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Speaker 3: Doe accuses Buzzby of extra after receiving a demand letter

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Speaker 3: from his firm offering the chance to settle outside of

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Speaker 3: court before making the allegations public. While the celebrity claims

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Speaker 3: Busby demanded an exorbitant amount of money at the threat

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Speaker 3: of publishing fabricated instances of sexual assault, Buzby says, the

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Speaker 3: standard demand letters do not contain any sums whatsoever, but

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Speaker 3: the allegations are very real.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the lawyer Tony Busby, representing a member he

548
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Speaker 1: was the one that came up with the eight hundred

549
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Speaker 1: number for all of the alleged victims of Sean did

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Speaker 1: he Combs to call and join in a lawsuit against Combs?

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Speaker 1: A civil lawsuit? Now he is getting sued Alex West

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Speaker 1: in a nutshell? What's that all about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is an extortion case. They're accusing him

554
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Speaker 4: of extortion. They're saying that that he was sent us

555
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Speaker 4: a demand letter, and this high profile individual, as he's

556
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Speaker 4: describing himself, says that he is not going to back

557
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Speaker 4: down from this and that he wants the court to

558
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Speaker 4: stop it in its tracks and that he feels is wrong.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he's remaining anonymous right so we don't know

560
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Speaker 4: much more about beyond that. We also do know that

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Speaker 4: there is a second lawsuit file it against Busby too,

562
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Speaker 4: which alleges him of unethical practices and it alleges abuse

563
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Speaker 4: from Busby.

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Speaker 1: One of that could have been on Diddy's to do

565
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Speaker 1: list that they just found in his jail cell. Destroyed

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Speaker 1: Tony Busby. We'll see crime stories with Nancy Grace to

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus joining us, high profile lawyer, former prosecutor, a

568
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Speaker 1: partner at Varner Fattus Elite legal demand letters happen every day.

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Speaker 1: They happen in typically civil lawsuits. You're going to sue somebody,

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Speaker 1: you send them a demand letter and you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: stop doing AYZ and pay me ABC or else. I'm

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Speaker 1: filing a lawsuit. That happens every day. See that's commonplace.

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Speaker 5: I think this extortion case against Tony Busby doesn't have

574
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Speaker 5: a lot of merit. Extriction is where a person says, hey,

575
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Speaker 5: give me money, or I'm going to do something unlawful

576
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: to you, like break your knee gaps. That's not what

577
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Speaker 5: Tony Busby is doing. He is engaging in normal civil

578
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Speaker 5: practice sending these demand letters. There's nothing unlawful for what

579
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Speaker 5: I can see. I think this is just a prominent

580
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Speaker 5: person trying to get in front of this sort of

581
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Speaker 5: bad pr tsunami that could be coming their way.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand Alex Swift. The person that's now

583
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Speaker 1: suing civil attorney Tony Busby, I guess, is a celeb

584
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Speaker 1: that has been accused of what being at a freak

585
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Speaker 1: off or a white party taking part in attacks on victims.

586
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out why would Tony Busby

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Speaker 1: send that person The anonymous person suing Tony Busby. Why

588
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: would Busby send him a demand letter and sue him

589
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: to start with?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the thing about the case is this high

591
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 4: profile individual has been pretty vague. They don't specify what

592
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 4: they are being accused of really other than being involved

593
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Speaker 4: in some sort of allegations involving Diddy. And the thing

594
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Speaker 4: about the Diddy case, right is there is a lot

595
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Speaker 4: of things in a lot of context that he's been

596
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Speaker 4: accused in. He does not, this high performan does not

597
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Speaker 4: specify which part. He's trying to stay as vague as possible.

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Speaker 4: As this conversation continues.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true, Alex West that cases have been and

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Speaker 1: could be dropped because accusers will not allow their name

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Speaker 1: to be made public.

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Speaker 4: I mean absolutely, It's a thing that's happened in the past,

603
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Speaker 4: especially when they feel it's important to the story and

604
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Speaker 4: to the allegations joining us.

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna, director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide former Vice

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, I'm wondering how much of this information we're

607
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Speaker 1: just getting is coming out of what found and Seawan

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Speaker 1: comes as jail cell.

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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, here's some inspiration for his notebook. This

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Speaker 8: is an ongoing investigation.

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Speaker 4: I e.

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Speaker 8: There are multiple tracks now with two trains on a

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Speaker 8: one civil and one criminal. They are monitoring everything inbound

614
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Speaker 8: outbound from that jail cell where p Diddy is sitting,

615
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Speaker 8: and you can bet that the FEDG because this has

616
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Speaker 8: a lot of legs on it, going across to California,

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Speaker 8: et cetera. They are sitting somewhere with a T three,

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Speaker 8: meaning they're sitting there monitoring everything going in every direction.

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Speaker 8: So he's going to have to sell the house with

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Speaker 8: the orgy room and all the other stuff that comes

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Speaker 8: along with it.

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Speaker 1: From what we understand, a list of alleged victims and

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Speaker 1: sex workers are lining up to testify against Combs.

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Speaker 10: Federal prosecutors are continuing their investigation into Sean Diddy Comb's

625
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Speaker 10: freak coughs, and several male escorts are reportedly lining up

626
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Speaker 10: for the opportunity to share their horrific experiences. Several former

627
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Speaker 10: sex workers allege they were given strict expectations before being

628
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Speaker 10: hired for a freak off and required to take viagra

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Speaker 10: or see alis before the event. If performers failed to

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Speaker 10: meet the standards, they would be removed from the party

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Speaker 10: without compensation and blacklisted.

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Speaker 1: And Eric Fattus, Yes, they're sex workers, and the defense

633
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Speaker 1: will try to attack them on credibility. But think about it, Fatus.

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Speaker 1: They may be sex workers, but according to documents, proof

635
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Speaker 1: and eyewitnesses, Sean Combs is the one hiring them and

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Speaker 1: flying them to his parties.

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Speaker 5: Exactly right, Nancy, And I think our culture has evolved

638
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Speaker 5: a little bit in terms of how we see sex workers.

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Speaker 5: The emergency of OnlyFans that they sort of there's just

640
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Speaker 5: more allowances given for that line of work, and so

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that stigma should be applied to these folks.

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Speaker 5: And I bet in New York, once the case comes

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Speaker 5: to there'll be less of a stigma on that type

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Speaker 5: of profession as compared to something else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm saying, Fattess is if Shawn Holmes

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Speaker 1: lawyers try to cross examine sex workers on their testimony

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Speaker 1: regarding what happened at free COFs and white parties, it's

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Speaker 1: going to turn right back around on him. He's the

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Speaker 1: one that allegedly hired them, He's the one that allegedly

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Speaker 1: brought them into his parties. So who is Shawn Colmbs

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Speaker 1: hanging around with nuns and priests and versions HGLN sex

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Speaker 1: workers brought in for a freak off that can only

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Speaker 1: boomerang and hit him in the neck.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear you. I mean, according to the evidence,

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Speaker 5: that looks like Combs is the ringleader here, He's the

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Speaker 5: orchestrator of all of this. And so can he really

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Speaker 5: go and talk out two sides of his mouth and say, oh,

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Speaker 5: don't believe these sex workers, but yet I trusted them

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Speaker 5: enough to hire them and have them work at these parties.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not sure that argument's going to fly. Wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds and the investigation goes on, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,