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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do it, Let's do this again.

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo role called Supremo Supremo role called Supremo Sun

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Speaker 2: Sun Supremo role called Supremo Supremo role.

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Speaker 1: We back together, Yeah, something out of a dream. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I so forgot. Yeah we once had a theme.

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Speaker 2: Supremo role calls Apreema so Supremo rod.

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Speaker 3: My name is Fante.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back with the squad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my Carolina brother.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, God, Supremo Supremo role called Suprema Son Supremo role called.

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Speaker 6: My name is Sugar, back in the booth.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my raps destroy you, God's honest truth, supprim.

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Speaker 3: Roll, Suprema Suprema roll called.

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Speaker 8: I'm paid bill. Yeah, I'm getting random with y'all. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: because it's been three years since I have done a roll.

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Speaker 2: Damn years.

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Speaker 3: Suprema roll.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, but a black effect agreement.

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Speaker 2: Suprema roll call, Suprema So Suppreva roll call.

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Speaker 3: My name is Charlah. Yeah, I'm not a scholar. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if I'm broke, Quest Love got a couple of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Supa Supremo, Supremo Supremo roll Suprema Son sup.

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Speaker 1: At the end to Yeah, you know, I learned a

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Speaker 1: lot during the pandemic, so I learned where all the

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Speaker 1: effects were.

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Speaker 3: Don't Fontine got a cheat cold with the Supreme role

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Speaker 3: called that's not.

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Speaker 10: Fair, and we ain't said ship about it for years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what kind of pressure is that? I don't admit.

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Speaker 1: When Bill said three years, like I remember the Dawn

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Speaker 1: Lewis episode was the day that we found out that

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Speaker 1: this thing was real, like in real time it was

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Speaker 1: either Sexily Strong or Dawn Lewis, in which we were

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Speaker 1: like having a normal conversation, but we were texting each

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Speaker 1: other like.

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Speaker 3: Like literally like NBC told me.

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Speaker 4: To go immediately home and don't talk to anybody and

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Speaker 4: stay locked.

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Speaker 3: Up in my rib.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's been an interesting it was going to

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Speaker 4: be three months.

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Speaker 9: It's three years in New York since everybody left, came

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Speaker 9: back to New York, came out of the house.

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Speaker 10: I went to get.

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Speaker 3: Right, and Bill became a new fante.

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Speaker 7: I think we actually needed roll Call to remember each

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Speaker 7: other's name exactly, not.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention.

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Speaker 1: I guess we well, you know, if you guys are

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Speaker 1: still listening with us, that bad nerves when like the

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Speaker 1: algorithms start falling off when I started rampling.

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Speaker 9: Charlotte presented us with the iPod. Remember we are the

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Speaker 9: pop music podcast of.

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Speaker 3: The year, so do not Yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna downplay with self defocate all right, new

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Speaker 1: way of thinking.

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Speaker 3: No, but we should.

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Speaker 1: We should also take the time to think via the

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Speaker 1: squad that held us down for three years to make

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Speaker 1: it happen like we were thinking in real time to

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Speaker 1: keep the show alive even though we weren't in the

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Speaker 1: same room. So shout out to Layah for holding it down.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to uh Britney, Benjamin Britney in the.

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Speaker 4: House, Jake.

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Speaker 1: Down.

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Speaker 3: I know these people.

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Speaker 1: I used to work as a felon. You know cousin

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Speaker 1: Jake is her cousin Now she's running our lives. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to cousin Jake Man and you know Brian Calhoun.

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Speaker 1: Also shout out tip of they have to showing g

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Speaker 1: as well and our friends at iHeart. Am I missing

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Speaker 1: anyone important? Shout out to our animators everyone at Zoom.

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Speaker 3: Yes. I wish people saw how much goals into this though,

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Speaker 3: because people think and just grab a mic and just

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Speaker 3: kick it with their friend and have a successful podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is a full production. Yeah, yeah, it's real.

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Speaker 4: Well, in case you wanted to know who that voice was,

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Speaker 4: lazy jump.

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Speaker 1: This is this is probably the best way for us

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Speaker 1: to jump back in the pool, because you know, it's

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Speaker 1: been a minute. I can't think of a better guest

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Speaker 1: just to sit around talksmack or whatever. Can I say

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Speaker 1: it's talk smack without sounding like fifty plus.

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Speaker 3: Ship unless you try not to curse. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna curse. I don't like the vibration of

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Speaker 3: the words. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel that. Yo.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize that you're in the Radio Broadcast Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is two twenty during COVID. Yeah that is major,

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Speaker 3: major ship. They snuck all the black people in and

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Speaker 3: during COVID Sway, Angie Martine, the whole breakfast Club, Envy,

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Speaker 3: Angelie Sway, Donnie Simpson. I believe. So it's just a mass,

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Speaker 3: exodent mass. It was like five five black radio personality

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Speaker 3: that all got in in one year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just like.

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Speaker 3: One every five years.

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Speaker 10: If that.

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Speaker 9: If that they just got Donnie Simpson in That's crazy

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Speaker 9: where they had in time joiners, I think.

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Speaker 3: Tom Guardian, I think I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: he is though, and he is still with us.

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Speaker 1: Course, yes, I just wanted to make sure well in

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Speaker 1: case I didn't say his name, the legendary Charlomagne, the

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Speaker 1: God is readings.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So we actually, as with every QLs episode, was you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of had the or dervs before we started rolling

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Speaker 1: the tapes that we were talking about the AI effect,

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Speaker 1: and I guess we were observing that, Yeah, in the

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Speaker 1: beginning is going to be cute, but in about five years,

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Speaker 1: five to ten minutes, do you think this will actually

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Speaker 1: force us to actually carve out private.

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Speaker 3: Lives and boundaries? Again? No, Nah, private lives and boundaries

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Speaker 3: are only for people who remember private lives and boundaries.

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Speaker 3: You got to be born in like the nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 3: If you was born in nineteen hundreds, like me nineteen

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy eight, then you understand private lives and boundaries.

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Speaker 3: This era doesn't know anything about private lives and boundaries.

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Speaker 3: I think about a week come from the era of

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Speaker 3: even with like the artists, we liked there was a

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Speaker 3: super air of mysteriousness. You didn't know anything about them,

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Speaker 3: you barely names. That's right, and even that was a performance, right,

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Speaker 3: But it's like now it's like your favorite celebrity is

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Speaker 3: waking up with you in the morning on Instagram Live,

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Speaker 3: but they sign it with their bonding on so privatizing boundaries,

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Speaker 3: Like there's no such thing for this generation when it

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Speaker 3: comes to that. That's why you'll be in the airport.

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Speaker 3: Quts loving never run up on you with their phone,

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Speaker 3: you know what i mean, Like like you don't have

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Speaker 3: any like you really like that, Like you just want

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Speaker 1: Being as though what I've seen with Twitter, because in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, Twitter was fun and all that stuff and

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Speaker 1: hey I'm having a cheese sandwich or you know that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. But now where now every damn near

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Speaker 1: every blue verified check is That's.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying. We can't even handle fake tweets, So

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Speaker 3: how are we going to handle deep fakes? And you

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Speaker 3: know the artificial intelligence voices Like imagine somebody calls you

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Speaker 3: Fonte and it's questlove loving Laia having a conversation about you,

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Speaker 3: but it's not it's not tim.

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Speaker 1: So now you're coming here mad and I was talking

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Speaker 1: about me? Does it make me morally wrong that I

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Speaker 1: number one?

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Speaker 3: I actually like?

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Speaker 1: There's as of this taping, there's a second Drake song

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Speaker 1: that just got released by the fake AI that I like.

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Speaker 1: And they caught myself downloading waiting mine into a crime

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, Well we should cut a deal

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Speaker 7: with AI where AI gets the n f t s,

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Speaker 7: they get to make n f t s and we

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Speaker 7: get to make everything else.

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Speaker 3: What happened right speaking the baby, let me.

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Speaker 9: Let me ask you just about a because I really

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Speaker 9: just got my I Gotta immersed tutoring session over the

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Speaker 3: And what's the first thing you did? When you like?

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Speaker 3: What was the first thing you do? Crazy?

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Speaker 11: Saying is out loud because I'm so, I'm yo. What

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Speaker 11: I did?

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Speaker 9: All right? I put my TV pitch in there and

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Speaker 9: to fill the gaps of what I thought that I needed.

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Speaker 9: And then I yes, and I realized that as the

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Speaker 9: artist in your description, because then I said, well, let

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Speaker 9: me just describe what my show is and let me

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Speaker 9: see what your version is.

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Speaker 11: But then let me tell you what the what my

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Speaker 11: of fifty five. What does that look like? What does

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Speaker 11: that pitch look like?

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Speaker 9: And I got so overwhelmed, But again I realized, I

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Speaker 9: But I also feel like it's this weird moment, just

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Speaker 9: Like are we overreacting in a minute?

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Speaker 11: And it just has to settle down.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a little bit different because even

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Speaker 3: This needs us too, not really like they're already having

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Speaker 3: conversations about the AI could take a life of his

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Speaker 3: sona and how much of us are we really using?

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Speaker 3: Like if we can just go to chat GPT and

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Speaker 3: whole pitch back, how much brain power am I actually using?

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Speaker 3: I still believe that one needs.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even plugging my book, but I would still

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Speaker 1: like to think that you need some sort of level

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Speaker 11: The script describe tell me what to do.

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Speaker 1: But then again, we also live in a society where

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Speaker 1: So I see, using AI creativity will perfect everything and

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Speaker 1: all that. But you know, I'm a guy that like

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Speaker 1: like fucked up drum beats, and you know, I worship

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Speaker 1: at the author of Dila, which is pretty much like

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Speaker 1: anti right.

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Speaker 11: To enter and Dila type beat did.

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Speaker 4: But even then, still there's still it's not nuanced.

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Speaker 3: And you know this is like year one, year two,

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Speaker 3: so so you're saying it has to have flaws basically, like.

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Speaker 1: I still feel like there is a level of human

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Speaker 1: touch that is needed. Or maybe I'm just the last

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Speaker 1: generation that wants a human touch like.

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Speaker 3: For it part. Yeah, like your kids might not. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they may not care.

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Speaker 7: Well is there I won't know to ultimately use it

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Speaker 7: creatively as just another tool that we have to make stuff, Okay,

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Speaker 7: So I.

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Speaker 11: Won't yeh, No, you tell too. I told you tail

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Speaker 11: Come on.

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Speaker 4: One time, I was like, all right, I'm having trouble

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Speaker 1: Come on, and damn if this motherfuckern spit back twenty ideas,

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Speaker 1: of which four of them were actually perfect at it,

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Speaker 1: and I I did it, like I closed my computer like, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't, No, I can't, I'm crossing into the void.

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Speaker 11: You can get your roots album.

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Speaker 1: He's because he's living in that's right, that's right, living

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Speaker 3: Oh damn, okay, I didn't know that. All right.

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Speaker 3: Because what will teachers do?

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Speaker 11: What will teachers do?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, research your assistant for anybody doing that's.

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Speaker 11: Not like this AI ship. I'm telling you that's how

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Speaker 11: We all heard it.

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Speaker 9: You know, my grandmother said it's the end of day,

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Speaker 1: Now if we remember way back in that trial over

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Speaker 10: He said the indition, this was the best song ever.

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Speaker 10: I told you that. That's what you said.

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Speaker 11: I know what I heard.

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Speaker 3: That's what I heard, because you might have to blame

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Speaker 4: Hi, moms, Jackie, Jackie.

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Speaker 1: general pressure?

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Speaker 3: No. I wouldn't call it pressure because I'm small enough

442
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: to know that I'm not an expert at anything, and

443
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: so if it is things that I feel like need

444
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: an actual area of expertise, I'm gonna go get that

445
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: person and bring that person into the room with me.

446
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get you know, Angela Rai or a

447
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: Tessling figure O or a Roland Martin, whoever it may be.

448
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get that person and say and say, hey,

449
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: I want you to sit in on this conversation. Because

450
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: I always look at the platform like it's not my platform,

451
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 3: it's not Envy's platform, it's the people's platform. So if

452
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: it's the people's platform, let's have these conversations with the people.

453
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: So you know, I'll have my POV and I'll have

454
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: the questions that I want to ask, But when you

455
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: have the actual expert in there that can you know,

456
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: actually apply that real academic pressure, it's no, it's no

457
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: pressure on me at all.

458
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: All right, So maybe I have you here just so

459
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: I can get coached on how to not be more brash.

460
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: But you kind of have a you have a fearlessness,

461
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: a very direct question thing which I'm still trying to like,

462
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to fit in the person.

463
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: That's because you're a smart question.

464
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 9: No, No, it's a general. It's a boomer. It's the

465
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 9: it's the boomer. And I think it's the fear is like,

466
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 9: it's funny watching you because I was just thinking, I said,

467
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 9: I wonder what was Charlemagne's first moment in radio back

468
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 9: in South Carolina when he realized that he may be

469
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 9: a little controversial. What did his boss say to him

470
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 9: that was like, Yo, do.

471
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: You remember the first time?

472
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: He like poked, Yeah, yeah, when's the first time?

473
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 11: You tell me? Please tell me story?

474
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 3: I do. Actually it was a it was a person

475
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: who would call the radio station. They would call D

476
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: ninety three all the time, and they would like do

477
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: like these sexy phone voices and moaning, would be talking

478
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: like really really crazy to the guys. And then I

479
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: found out that the person was actually a guy doing it.

480
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: So it was a guy who would call into the station,

481
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 3: pretend to be a woman, and he would it off

482
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: by getting the guys off.

483
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 11: And they didn't know.

484
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: Nobody knew, but nobody knew, and I didn't even know

485
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 3: if what I was, if the information I was receiving

486
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: was true, that's right. But when the person, when that

487
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: person called in, I was like, Yo, your name is

488
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 3: really such and such and you are from such and

489
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: such South Carolina and you're really a guy. And I

490
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: was right, and they just yeah. So I ended up

491
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: getting put on I got put on liners, like you know,

492
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: all before you know, you could have your own opinion,

493
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: you could you know, talk well, at least in South Carolina,

494
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 3: they weren't doing that. I was doing that at the time,

495
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: but after that they put me on liners and all

496
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: I could do was the time, temperature and whatever. The

497
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: next Nellie, you got reprimanded for that. Absolutely.

498
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 11: So That's why I'm curious about Sean Lain in that way.

499
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Because I know, I never even thought about that till

500
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: you said it.

501
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, because as a radio person.

502
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 9: You either go one of two ways, like I was

503
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 9: usually the controversial person in my radio mix or whatever,

504
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 9: but you usually go that way, or you go you

505
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 9: get quieted down because you been told so many times

506
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 9: like what the fuck are you talking about? Don't do that,

507
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 9: you're offending. Did not get on the liners that whole thing.

508
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 9: So with you, that must have been a moment where

509
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 9: you was like, nahy well.

510
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: Because I number one, I didn't even really know any better.

511
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 8: Right.

512
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: So it's like when I always say the best thing

513
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: that happened to me when I got on radios. I

514
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: didn't have any experience, like I didn't go to college,

515
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: I didn't do college radio. I got. I got, you know,

516
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: blessed to be able to get an internship in Charleston,

517
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: South Carolina in nineteen ninety eight, and you didn't need

518
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: to be in college or have any college credits or

519
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: anything like that. So I was literally coming into the

520
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: radio station drunk. Nobody taught me how to, you know,

521
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: do breaks and everything else. I literally learned on the

522
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: job training. I did voice tracking, you know, on Sunday mornings.

523
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: But I was scaring all the church folks, so they

524
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: started putting me on Saturday night. So I would voice

525
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: track from seven to ten and go live ten to twelve.

526
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: And all I would do is you would scare the

527
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: church folks.

528
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 11: Oh Sundays, it's.

529
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: The Bible Belt Chelsea, South Carolina on a Sunday morning,

530
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: like so you would go Roague even on Sunday mornings.

531
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: I was just talking. I didn't know. I didn't know

532
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: any better. Nobody said you can do this and you

533
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: can't do that like that.

534
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, then somebody did.

535
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I wasn't with it because it wasn't fun.

536
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: And I'm the type of person man if it's not fun,

537
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: if it's not making me happy, like I don't want

538
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: any parts of it. And so you know what happened

539
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: was there was a new station that popped up in

540
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: the market. It was Hot ninety eight nine in Charleston,

541
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: South Carolina. My man, George Cooke was still a great

542
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: mentor to me to this day. He's operations manager at

543
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: K one to four in Dallas. He hired me to

544
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: do nights seven to midnight. So I left the big station,

545
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: right that would be like Power ninety nine in Philly.

546
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: I left the Heritage big station in Charleston, which was

547
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: Z ninety three to go work for Hot ninety eight

548
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: nine and Charleston, which was like a fifty thousand watch

549
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: station with a with a with an OK signal for

550
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: nineteen thousand dollars a year, but they gave me free

551
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: rein seven to midnight.

552
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: Yes, so how that nuanced into like you came into

553
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: our radar of course through Wendy, But how how did

554
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: you make that move?

555
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: I worked at Hot ninety eight nine and Charleston. I

556
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: think I got fired from there after like maybe a year,

557
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: and then I was out of radio for a while,

558
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: and then I started going to do radio in Columbia,

559
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: South Carolina. And that's when the whole Windy connection thing

560
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: happened because the stations in Columbia was called Inner City Broadcasting.

561
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: NCY Broadcasting owned the Big DM in Columbia, South Carolina,

562
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: and WBLS in New York. Worked at the Big DM

563
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: when they was hip hop. Then they flipped four Match,

564
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 3: but they ended up buying the other station in the market,

565
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: Hot one O three nine. I used to do nights

566
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: on Hot one O three nine, and Wendy was syndicated

567
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: in the afternoons, and at that time, I just I

568
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: was using the Internet by then, so like a lot

569
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: of my content and interviews started ending up on the

570
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: all hip hop dot coms and the SOHH dot com

571
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: at the time, that's all we had. So people started

572
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: hearing me nashally and even the Vlad got a slew

573
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: Vlad Lad had the Beef DVDs. So Vlad would take

574
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: some of my interviews and put them on Beef DVDs.

575
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: So that's even how I got Blad started Beef. Yeah,

576
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: it was called. So that's how I even got on

577
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: the radar of like Wendy them, And then they would

578
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: come into the market, you know, her and her husband,

579
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: and we would just show them love. You know, we

580
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: take them around to the clubs, make sure they got

581
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: whatever they needed from weed, the drinks and everything else.

582
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: So then we had a rapport and so like one

583
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: day they invited me to come to New York, like

584
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: come up for a party. So I came up for

585
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: a party. She asked me to come on our show.

586
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: I went on our show for like twenty five minutes.

587
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, that night, they was offering me

588
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: the position to be her sidekick.

589
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 10: Sounds going to be on the show.

590
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: What that showed up?

591
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we Bill was one of my our first guests.

592
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: Here's our first guest, our pilot guest, and then we

593
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: stole Bill. You know, he's a big deal in the in.

594
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: The reduction.

595
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 11: Tony's and you know, and you stand near.

596
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: Dope. Now you're just one of us.

597
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: So like at that moment, did you feel like, Okay,

598
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: this is a chess move because like moving to New

599
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: York first, well, you know, moving to New York or

600
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco or any of those cities which require like

601
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: you to survive in that city and whatnot, Like what

602
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: was your was that part of your chest plan?

603
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Like eventually, yeah, because I got fired from my ninety

604
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: and nine, So that's one fire and I got fired

605
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: from Hot one O three point.

606
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: When you get fired, what is that feeling like? Do

607
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: you feel like it's doom and gloom?

608
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Like the first time I get black balled and it's

609
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: over the first time I did because I didn't know

610
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: anything else other than my hometown. So I knew Monks

611
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: Corner and Charleston, Like I didn't know you could even

612
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: go do radio other places, Like I didn't even know

613
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: that was a thing, right, Like I had no idea.

614
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: So at the first time I got fired, I really thought, Okay,

615
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: this is this is over, this is a wrap. But

616
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: then when I got hired in Columbia, I'm like, oh,

617
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: I could do radio in Colombia. And then when I

618
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: started having ratings and actually started, you know, garnering attention

619
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: in Columbia, I'm like, oh, I can go other places

620
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: and actually be good at this and the city will

621
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: embrace me. So once I realized that, like I had

622
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: I had, I had no fear whatsoever.

623
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that when you get interviewed,

624
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: you're surely asked like, okay, why did you leave.

625
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: Oh it's different at radio and radio they know, like

626
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: they know, they know pretty much why you got fired,

627
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: like they've already reached out to somebody, or you know,

628
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: like they know like they For me, it was always

629
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: strange because you would think I would get fired for

630
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: something I actually like did on air. I've never been

631
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: fired for anything I've actually did on it. I've never

632
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: even been fined. But as he's seeing nothing, you know

633
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: what I mean. It was literally just a regime change.

634
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: So a new program director came in, and you know,

635
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: I knew the guy at the time. It's kind of

636
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: like he was another radio personality in the market, and

637
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: I remember they asked me what I would I like

638
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: to work with him, and I'm like, yeah, that'd be

639
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: dope to have him on the air. But then they

640
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: hired him as the PD. I'm like, yo, y'all, ain't

641
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: say y'all hired him as the PD, you know? You know?

642
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: So then he bought in Territorial, that's right. So he

643
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: bought it as a whole new team, and it was

644
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: the same thing high on three nine. They fired me

645
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: because I had got with Wendy, right, so I was

646
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: flying back and focus. I wasn't getting paid for Windy

647
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: my first like year and a half.

648
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 8: Check.

649
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: It was all an opportunity. They was like, like I said,

650
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: and listen when I say not getting paid, I don't

651
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: mean like I was only getting paid start Aunt. I

652
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: wasn't paid.

653
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 10: No, no, no, same all right, Bill, I don't know. Look,

654
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 10: the situation has rectified, but I just want the history.

655
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: First of all, Bill, you're wearing those sneakers, which is

656
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: more than our house payment.

657
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: So eco friendly.

658
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: I'm wearing forty dollars plastic shoes.

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Speaker 8: Okay, hold on, before you turn into mister Krock, you

660
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 8: were really fucking expensive sneakers too.

661
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: And then the pandemic happened. You you ramped up expensive

662
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: nursing home shows. Those shoes, those are a good clean version.

663
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: But most people when they get those sneakers, it looks

664
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Speaker 1: fucked up already, like it's supposed to look like see.

665
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 11: Matt White boys with dirty versions. But I didn't know

666
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 11: if they were expensive.

667
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: Like twelve hundred. No those are not, no, no, no,

668
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: these are eco friendly. I got a couple of FLEs

669
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Speaker 3: ha like they're made out of like rich case, recycled

670
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Speaker 3: material or something. I'm wearing plastic sneakers.

671
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Speaker 10: I have those two.

672
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Speaker 11: What the name of them? I'm sorry?

673
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Speaker 3: I did you always wear crock squest so after the pandemic?

674
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Speaker 9: Oh?

675
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: I thought it was after the Kanye toback. No, no, no,

676
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Speaker 3: everybody hate They still comfortable.

677
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Speaker 11: They're mad comfortable.

678
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Speaker 1: I mean they were the most comfortable sneaker a month

679
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: before he got kicked out the crib. I got those

680
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: moon boots. Oh my god, I felt like I could fly,

681
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: like like I was going to the store, like just

682
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: jumping on springs spring.

683
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Speaker 11: But no, we got to look up the crocs people's politics.

684
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Speaker 1: You know, some people just self sabotaged just because they

685
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: can't help themselves.

686
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Speaker 6: But anyway, so anyway, nice sneakers, Bill.

687
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Yeah, and you're rich anyway, so they don't

688
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: look nice.

689
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Speaker 6: I just don't think they look because.

690
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 10: You're such a sneaker. Off.

691
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Speaker 3: Let's move on.

692
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Speaker 11: I what the I wear?

693
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Speaker 3: All questions?

694
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 11: You know?

695
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: Those dude look like quests love you sneakers like the

696
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: old North Carolina tail Air Force ones. They matched nothing

697
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: else like.

698
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 6: All right, never mind, let's talk about him.

699
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, go tar Hills right up? All right, So

700
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: at what point are you? Like, how am I surviving

701
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: in New York without Well that's why I used to

702
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: fly back.

703
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: I used to fly back every weekend and do parties, right,

704
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: So I would fly back to South Carolina, do a party,

705
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: have a just have some money to eat, you know,

706
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: maybe buy a plane ticket the next week. And it

707
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: got to the point where nine in Columbia was like,

708
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: you can't fly back and forth no more. You know,

709
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: basically the operations managers like you can't have your cake

710
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: and eat it too. So I was just in New York,

711
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: which was probably the best thing for me, because now

712
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: I had an opportunity to, like really just focus on

713
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: you know, city and you know me doing that. After

714
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: a year and a half, I started to make enough

715
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: waves to where they put me on payroll, you know,

716
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: at WBLS because people were requesting me to read ads

717
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: and things of that nature. So they put me on

718
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: payroll at WBLS and I worked there until November second,

719
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. You remember the date, you know why,

720
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: because President Obama became president elected next day.

721
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Speaker 11: That's when you came to us in Philly.

722
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Speaker 3: Philly came Philly was I got to Philly and two

723
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, Yeah, two thousand and nine. After I

724
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: got fired from Wendy, I was out of radio for

725
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: like seven to eight months. And it was cool because

726
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 3: my daughter was born. My first daughter was born June

727
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: of two thousand and eight, so my wife was going

728
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: to work to pay the bills and everything else. I

729
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: was home with my newborn for the first seven eight

730
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: months of her life, you know. And then then I

731
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 3: got hired at one hundred point three to beat in Philly.

732
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Speaker 9: Can you talk about that time too, because I was

733
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 9: always curious, you know, you and Wendy both did that.

734
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 9: Like when Wendy was down for a second she came

735
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 9: to Philly, she did mornings and then I'm not saying

736
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 9: you were down, I'm just saying I was down.

737
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Speaker 3: Okay. I was afraid to go get unemployment because I

738
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: had too much pride. I was like, now this was

739
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: on Wendy Show, and Wendy was on v H one.

740
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not about to going on unemployment line,

741
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: you know. So, which cost us an eviction because my

742
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: wife couldn't afford to pay you know, all the bills

743
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: in the apartment and everything at the time. So we

744
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 3: ended up being South Carolina during this time we moved

745
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: back together. The interesting thing about a hundred point through

746
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: to beat in Philly. I worked there for like eight months,

747
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: nine months. Then I got fired from there, the four firing.

748
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Speaker 1: So a second, Okay, you're recapping this nicely, but what

749
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: I need to know is when a firing happens, is

750
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: there a lesson learned? Like I'm a person that now

751
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: sees failure as not a four letter word, but as

752
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: like here's the lesson I learned, Yes, But for you,

753
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: what is the lesson learn?

754
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: When you get fired? It was just all part of

755
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: the journey. Like when I literally look back on it,

756
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: right now. I used to always say to myself, this

757
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: is just going to be another chapter in the book.

758
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: I used to literally say that, and then chapter in

759
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: it literally became a chapter in the New York Times

760
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: best selling book, which was my first book, Black Privilege.

761
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: Like literally, that's that's all I ever used to look

762
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: at it as because every time I would, you know,

763
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: get fired, it felt like I would fail up right.

764
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: So I got fired from Hot ninety eight nine, I

765
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: ended up in Columbia, South Carolina doing radio. I get

766
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: fired from Hot Wine OD three point nine. I end

767
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: up working with Wendy. I get fired from Wendy. I

768
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: end up doing my own morning show in Philadelphia.

769
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Speaker 1: But for you, it's not a game of Russian Roulette

770
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, that's that bull, Now, let me

771
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: make sure that I keep this job. Well, I mean again, like,

772
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: for you, is it about safety? Nothing is it about

773
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: your dream and goal.

774
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: I never got fired for anything I did on the air,

775
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: so it's like it's not nobody was ever reprimanding me

776
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: for things that I did on the air. I was

777
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: getting fired for political reasons, you know, like like even

778
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: with Wendy. November two, two thousand and eight, the economy

779
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: was in shambles. They fired twenty five people. They fired

780
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: the legendary Vaughn Harper. God blessed the dead, you know,

781
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: great radio personalities like Champagne the same day that I

782
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: got fired. It just so happened. I worked with Wendy

783
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: at the time, so my fire was highly publicized, which

784
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: also let me realize, like, damn, I really, I guess

785
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: been doing my thing in New York that if I

786
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: get fired, it makes news, it makes new movies, you know.

787
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 9: And it's kind of crazy because you know when you

788
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 9: came to Philadelphia, the moves that they made to make room.

789
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 11: It's so funny.

790
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 9: They kept you for eight months, but they moved everything around,

791
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 9: Like me and Pooch had a morning show. Charlemagne's coming,

792
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 9: y'all ain't got it no more. So we're gonna put like,

793
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 9: yeah Middays and Pooching afternoon. Right. So it's just funny

794
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 9: how radio radio so fucking fickle. Kenderd g come Ken

795
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 9: was with us, She was with us, she was a

796
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 9: night show. Yeah, of course not Kendrick's doing her thing too,

797
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 9: But it's just interesting the way lives are shuffled, and

798
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 9: then all of that for eight months.

799
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: What is the ideal slot for radio? It used to

800
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: be mornings and getting up at three in the morning.

801
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: I loved it, love it. You gotta be wired a

802
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: certain way, but I love you gotta do the bit

803
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: at nine o'clock.

804
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 11: I love it.

805
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: It's not for you, man, great, you take naps.

806
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 9: If you really got to go out and do something,

807
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 9: you do what you gotta do. But then you be

808
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 9: up in the morning when nobody else is away. You

809
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 9: just feel like you you ahead.

810
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: So how do you manage, like, you know, your social life,

811
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: because I mean you have to go and do events

812
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.

813
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: So they are married with four kids. I don't have

814
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: a social.

815
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 4: Right now.

816
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: How many between you and Andrew? Like between like, how

817
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: many jobs do you have right now?

818
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 11: Your network on?

819
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: I mean as far as hosting. I do Breakfast Club

820
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: in the morning and then we do Brilliant Idiots once

821
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: a week me and Andrew shows. But everything else I do.

822
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: I thank God that I have a team to run it,

823
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: like you know, we just had to. We literally just

824
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: had the Black Effect Podcast Festival this past weekend in Atlanta,

825
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: sold out event, you know, first of it's kind where

826
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: we literally had a festival full of podcasts, like you know,

827
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: I know the roots, y'all do the podcast stage we did. Yeah,

828
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: I'm steaming right now because I was like at the

829
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: festival and I can't do that on my own. Like,

830
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: that's a team that doesn't That's a team that makes

831
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: me look good. That's Dollary Bishop, who's the president of

832
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: my networks too. That's simpl that's right.

833
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: So now in your current life, you make time, do

834
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: you have boundaries like Okay, I'm carving out time to

835
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: do this that like these eight hours I'm working and

836
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: then yeah, I.

837
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: Feel like every honestly for me, I feel like everything

838
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 3: is carved around my wife and my kids at this point,

839
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like to me, that's the

840
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: that comes first before everything else. And like I said,

841
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: you got to have a great team, like we gotta.

842
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: I got a company at Audible SBAH Productions, Me and

843
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart, we got a team. Like you know, it's

844
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: all you do is tell us what calls to be

845
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: on and we know we and we tell them projects

846
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: that we want to do. Like yo, I just you know,

847
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: I just find this person. This person just reached out

848
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: to me. Y'all should reach out to them, but like.

849
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 11: They handle all of that throw please.

850
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Speaker 3: Fourteen, seven, four and eighteen months Jesus.

851
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

852
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 11: Do you think the radio will ever make it come

853
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 11: back to what as what we know it as?

854
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: Yes, because the funny thing is the audience hasn't gone anywhere.

855
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: So it's like the same amount of people who listen

856
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: to radio in twenty twenty three is the same amount

857
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: that used to listen to radio in the nineties, Like

858
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: there were ninety six ninety seven percent of the country

859
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: still listens, you know, the radio. And for the first

860
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: time ever, radio has more cume and viewer and listenership

861
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: than cable television, like in the in the coveted eighteen

862
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: to forty nine demograph.

863
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 11: But these are these Breakfast Club numbers.

864
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: No, these this radio status period, Like for the first

865
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: time ever, radio has more cume than cable television.

866
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so how do they measure that? Because I watch

867
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys via YouTube. So what numbers are the intendent

868
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: the God's watching to determine what your value is?

869
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: I think for radio at least for us, like Breakfast

870
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: Club has eight million monthly listeners and that's just on

871
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: terrestrial radio, right, and then you factor in the iHeartRadio app.

872
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what that number is, but then we

873
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: come out of the daily podcast every day and the

874
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: podcast does between like fifteen and twenty million downloads a month. Right,

875
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: So then you got the YouTube which is five minue

876
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: subscribers on YouTube, and you know the billions of views

877
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: and engagement that they get on that, and then you

878
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: got social media. I don't think they've found a way

879
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: to add it all up yet, but they know that

880
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: individually in all of these different spaces, you're a greenlight.

881
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: You won't be getting fired anytime soon.

882
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 10: You never know.

883
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 9: But yeah, still make the point that those are like

884
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 9: those are breakfast club numbers, which breakfast Club is its

885
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 9: own anomaly because like you said, y'all are syndicated all

886
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 9: across the country. Them to add YouTube and all the

887
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 9: other things. But local radio do you think cause I mean,

888
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 9: I know syndication ain't going nowhere, but do you think

889
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 9: that for local radio if.

890
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: They invest back into the greatest asset, which is which

891
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: radio has always had, which is the personality, Because if

892
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: you think about it, all radio did was give up ground,

893
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, to everybody, because when that stupid ass PPM

894
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: meter came out fifteen to twenty years ago, which was terrible.

895
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: PPM was a rating system that literally Wendy Wims was

896
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: number one one day and then the next day she

897
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: was like number twenty five in the market. Like come

898
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: to fuck up, Like you know this is a you know,

899
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: this is a flawed system, right, But everybody got so

900
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: scared of PPM that they turned radio into a jukebox.

901
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: Like literally it was just music. They didn't even have

902
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: imaging and sweepers, it was just music. So what happens

903
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: over the last fifteen years podcasts. So now radio's greatest

904
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: asset personality isn't on radio anymore. It's all on podcasts.

905
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: So people gravitate towards that music. Why would I sit

906
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: around and listen to you play the same Drake songs

907
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: twenty times in a row when I can go to

908
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: Apple title Spotify and pull up what I want to

909
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: listen to. You know, news radio's not breaking news no more.

910
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 11: They won't even let us.

911
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: You got Twitter for that. Yeah, and live events every

912
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: single festival from Lollapalooza the Coachella. So now the big

913
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: radio shows don't even matter anymore.

914
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 11: So but community, That's the one thing I said it

915
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 11: was missing Charlotte.

916
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: But that's why you got to invest back into the personalities.

917
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: That's why it starts there. You got to have these

918
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: personalities in Philadelphia. You gotta have these personalities. People in Sacramento.

919
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 9: Outcasts, people can't touch people, they can't go outside and

920
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 9: whatnot like that.

921
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so you're saying that, Yes, at one time, when

922
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: I grew up with radio, it was like a community

923
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: thing where you see a local da da da da,

924
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: and it was feeling cool.

925
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: And then something happened in nineteen ninety six.

926
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: I guess from what I learned, especially like being an

927
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: artist on a label, trying to figure out how real

928
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: palol it was and all that stuff. But we realized

929
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I think going to Hot ninety seven once that I learned.

930
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: I came there on a Sunday, like I think DJ

931
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: Premier show is like on a Sunday whatever, And in

932
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: the next room, these people are like, yeah, we're learning,

933
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: we're loading in the songs for the week, and I'm like,

934
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: what are you talking about.

935
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, all this pre determined.

936
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: We don't play music anymore like all this, all the

937
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: playlists are predetermined the week in advance, Like you know

938
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: I can add I'm gonnad you got me U nine

939
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: times for it and literally.

940
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 11: Saw them play it two in the morning.

941
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: Right.

942
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: But my whole point is like, will.

943
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: That system ever let up and they need to the

944
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: DJ it needs to and they'll let the DJ be

945
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: the tastemaker.

946
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 9: Well, we'll have to improve it, right, Like, it's not

947
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 9: gonna when it does come back, it ain't gonna be

948
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 9: what it was, but hopefully it'll have some of those

949
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 9: same elements.

950
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 11: Correct.

951
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: I mean radio will never lead in anything ever again, No,

952
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: it just won't, but it can be. It can be

953
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: the perfect compliment because there's not a greater amplifier than radio.

954
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: I just feel like sometimes these programmers make their job

955
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: more difficult than it needs to be because of what

956
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: Quest's saying. Nowadays, just pay attention to what's happening on Spotify,

957
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: Pay attention to what's happening on Title, like it's right

958
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: there for you so you can still you know, uh

959
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: program your golden oldies or your A sides or whatever

960
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: you whatever they call them. But throwing some of the

961
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: new records just because you know what I mean, I

962
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: would have a drop that says, you know, from from

963
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: your playlist to our radio like just because, by the way,

964
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: I would have that as a drop, just because, you know,

965
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: because now if you're in your car and you of

966
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: a certain age, or even if you are just now

967
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: that's it. You're just somebody who always screams, you're like

968
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: that is on my playlist?

969
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: Actually in your mind? Is the Breakfast Club just a

970
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: wolf in sheep's clothing? In terms of do you consider

971
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: it a radio show or is it just a platform

972
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: that also happens.

973
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 3: To be live on the radio, that's a great question.

974
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: I mean, we're definitely a radio show. But you know,

975
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: remember they used to say, if you build it, they

976
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: will come. Those days are over. You got to build

977
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: it and you got to meet people where they are.

978
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: So it's built, and now we meet people where they are.

979
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: So we put it out as a daily podcast. We

980
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: put it out on YouTube. You know, you see the

981
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: clips on social media, and we're on BT and BAH

982
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: one every morning now, so we're literally meeting people where

983
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: they are. And that's what you have to do if

984
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 3: you're in radio. Like if I was having a conversation

985
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: with a radio personality in twenty twenty three and they

986
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: didn't have a plan on how to take their content

987
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: and put it on all of these platforms. I wouldn't

988
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: hurt him.

989
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: Wait now, I feel like Britt and Jake are like,

990
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: this is what we've been trying to tell a mere

991
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: to do with questions.

992
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 10: Yes, it's true though they were just literally talking about that.

993
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: It's the truth.

994
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: This is why we made I didn't even know that

995
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: we were YouTube until like, wait, don't show me a

996
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: clip in my pajamas, Like, wait a minute, you do not.

997
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're soft on a soft launch, but still, but

998
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 9: it's hard when you don't have a team. As you

999
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 9: say that, I'm like, you're right, but man for the

1000
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 9: one person band of it. And if radio isn't your

1001
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 9: main money maker and you still you're trying to get

1002
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 9: a job with chargamun, you still go do all that.

1003
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 11: It's a lot sometimes, Listen.

1004
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: I never had a team when I was doing mornings

1005
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: in Philly. I was getting paid seventy five thousand dollars

1006
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: a year. They didn't have no money for any for

1007
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: a producer. So it was the local boardop that was

1008
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: there who was my board up. Then eventually they hired

1009
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: my homegirl, Sasha Kti. Me and Sasha used to get

1010
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: up every morning and drive from Jersey to Philly, not

1011
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: even South Jersey. I was living in like brother. She

1012
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: was in like Rawway. So we would be getting up

1013
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: at it like three o'clock morning Jersey. Wait, are you

1014
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: allowed to be later? Traffic is the traffic that time

1015
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: of the morning. What happened was so excuse we leave

1016
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: at three. I'd be at I'd be there about like

1017
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: five fifteen because on one point three B wasn't in

1018
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: Philly morning. I ever couldn't period because I'd be up

1019
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: at three, Like so I don't think.

1020
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: I was over what happens if you're over sleeping, Like

1021
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: I gotta be on the air in ten minutes.

1022
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: Like well yeah, and that I couldn't do that in

1023
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: Philly because I was the only I was literally the

1024
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: only person you got to be there before the mic

1025
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: with Breakfast Club, you know, you got it. It was

1026
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: envy and it was you for all those years. So

1027
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: it's like that was you could be late. You know,

1028
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: even now you can still be like because at least

1029
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: it's one person there. Okay, now Eddie Eddi's over there, yeap,

1030
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: Edi Eddie's with us at Breakfast Club. And then Sash

1031
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: me and Sasha literally is to drive every morning to

1032
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: Philadelphia and it would just be me, the one man.

1033
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 11: Different times. Now you're asking for YouTube, Instagram, all the things.

1034
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: Well, all I needed was a camera person, So give

1035
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: me the camera person and didn't give me the footage,

1036
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: and we would upload it the YouTube. We put it

1037
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: up on one hundred point three the Beach website. I

1038
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: would send it to the blogs personally myself. Even when

1039
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: we got with Brother, You're your own.

1040
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you would throw the party, be the DJ, be

1041
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: the hosts, and then you're the guy outside the club

1042
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: handing out.

1043
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Because I'm used to that. I was doing that when

1044
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: I was doing radio in South Carolina. I was sending

1045
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: my stuff though I would go on all oh LC,

1046
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: I could send this to l C. I was doing

1047
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: that like I was getting the emails and sending them myself.

1048
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: When we got with Breakfast Club, same thing. We didn't

1049
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: have no promotion in marketing budget. It was literally me

1050
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: and by Angela Our our producer q Our bought up

1051
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: and Easy. After about a year they let me hire

1052
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: another producer. I went and got Sasha, brought Sasha back

1053
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: from Philly, and but prior to that, I was like,

1054
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: we need a cameraman. We need a cameraman here interviewing,

1055
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: I mean recording every single interview, and that's literally all

1056
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: we did. And then we would take those interviews and

1057
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: shoot him out to all our connections that we had

1058
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: in the internet world.

1059
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 11: All the radio started following them and doing it.

1060
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you telling me that the mothership, the the

1061
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: top brand doesn't know that you are Lebron or Jordan

1062
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: and that you need a team to work that where

1063
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: you go there will be numbers, there will be ratings,

1064
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: the algorithms will be up and all that stuff.

1065
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: I think in twenty ten they didn't know because in

1066
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: twenty ten they were still using the dot com. They

1067
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: weren't even putting content on YouTube yet. Like literally in

1068
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: twenty ten it was still power one oh five to

1069
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: one FM dot com and then like those numbers started

1070
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: to get so crazy, But we didn't get YouTube until

1071
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. I had been telling them, like yo, what yes,

1072
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: I had been telling our heart we need to be

1073
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: on YouTube. They only wanted to put clips on YouTube

1074
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 3: and bring people back to the dot com. It wasn't

1075
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: until the week of we had Hillary Clinton and Birdman

1076
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: in one week, so that Birdman incident was Hillary Clinton?

1077
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: Was that Monday that was the hot sauce in the bag,

1078
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: and then that Monday was Birdman And somebody took the

1079
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 3: clip and put it online and like in twenty four

1080
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: hours it had like seventy two million views. And then

1081
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 3: they was like, you know what, we should stop putting

1082
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: our videos on YouTube. I'm like, you think, what up?

1083
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 9: Y'all? Okay, So that was part one of our conversation

1084
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 9: with Charlemagne and God, You've got to come back for

1085
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 9: part two when we get more into that Birdman interview

1086
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 9: and we speak with Charlottemagne by his relationship with family

1087
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 9: and hometown.

1088
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 11: He's done some amazing things at his hometown that nobody

1089
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 11: else has also.

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Speaker 9: Don't forget Charlemagne and Questlove Supreme will be live at

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Speaker 9: this year's Roots Picnic.

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Speaker 11: Come see us.

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Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite Chills