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<v Speaker 1>Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Subs Tams podcast

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<v Speaker 1>in Renee Stubs this apartment once again with my with

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<v Speaker 1>my first ever guest to stay in this apartment, actually, Petkovic,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Yes, well you caught me, Petvich And of

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<v Speaker 1>course Katelyn Thompson, you have not slept here.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not slept here.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if even on a drunken night he managed to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Home exercise basically sleep here.

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<v Speaker 1>Your exercise bike is still there, it is, yes, do

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<v Speaker 1>you still use it something? Yes, I did once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, once in a blue moon. I know we

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<v Speaker 1>both need to use it. Well, I've got to get

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<v Speaker 1>my legs in shape because I'm going skiing in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days and I know the first run I take,

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<v Speaker 1>my legs are going to be shaking like a mofo.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you can take a lesson with Yannick Sinner. But

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<v Speaker 3>just to bring back that moment when I slept up there,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a little letter. I call it a little

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<v Speaker 1>mezzanet area.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, could you call it that a mezzanette. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a neologism to me, but I think it. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know how I like to make up words. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a it's like a yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Were sitting on boxes having pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens up there now?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Well, people sleep up there still when I have friends,

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<v Speaker 1>I have friends coming to stay. My friend Nicole brad

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<v Speaker 1>Key used to play on tour, and her husband Mark

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<v Speaker 1>and their son. The problem is three people, three people. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they're staying down the parents are staying downstairs. I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>When I go to Australia, they come here. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>how people come and visit me when I'm not here,

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<v Speaker 1>including my sister Cole. I don't know. They like to

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<v Speaker 1>have my apartment by themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see how bad the New York Giants played yesterday?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about the Giants.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so bad that you come to New York. And

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you tell our listeners? For those who follow

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<v Speaker 2>you very closely through your various substack Instagram, various adventures,

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<v Speaker 2>you are basically a part time resident of New York.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to galleries, she shows, you go to plays.

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<v Speaker 2>But also you're a massive New York Giants fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't have a choice.

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<v Speaker 3>Giants fan is maybe a stretch Giant fan. No, definitely not,

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<v Speaker 3>but my partner, Jesse. He's very clear about rooting for

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<v Speaker 3>the Giants, the Knicks, and the Mets, and nothing else

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<v Speaker 3>is allowed. So I guess by proximity, I am a

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<v Speaker 3>giant choice the Nicks and a Mets fan, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you must be. He must have been out of

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<v Speaker 1>each I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, so I told you that I was really sick.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a fever yesterday. I'm fine again, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for asking. And I fell asleep yesterday at eight pm,

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<v Speaker 3>and around nine pm, Jesse starts screaming next to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought something happened. And the thing that happened was

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<v Speaker 3>that who got got a contract with.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mets years almost was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Almost seven eight hundred million dollars?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you effin imagine that we have talked about have

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<v Speaker 1>we not talked about this maybe in our regular life

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<v Speaker 1>or on the pod about how we think? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone says about tennis players and the money they make,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've seen just recently that the highest paid top

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<v Speaker 1>ten female athletes in the world have been three or

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<v Speaker 1>I think four or five of them were tennis players.

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<v Speaker 2>Tennis keeps out of the ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like crazy, but a lot of that is

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<v Speaker 1>also prize money and I'm like, but you earn that

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<v Speaker 1>money like tennis players earn their money. They don't get

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed fifteen year. I mean because if that happened in tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Alkarazen Sina would be getting eight hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years because we know they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the game for at least a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>you know me, whereas one Soto could like have a

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<v Speaker 1>slump year or two or three and he's still getting paid.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it ten million? What is it a year?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen million? I can't work it out for me, Kaitlin

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen million, it's fifty million year. It's like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million a year. Can you fucking even imagine that?

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<v Speaker 2>I get that baseball players play a lot of days,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to say, per like energy, burning, moment back,

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<v Speaker 2>the moment effort. I would love to be a baseball player.

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<v Speaker 2>Teams like you don't have to like you're not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a tennis player is running almost every single minute of

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<v Speaker 2>the competition. A baseball player, you're up like every couple innings. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe you make I think baseball is great and

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<v Speaker 2>I love baseball. I actually think It's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best sports there is.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoken like a true socialist.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I have a socialist. My team, the Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>Expos was not there anymore I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a thing is making up word Montreal. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most famous at Montreal Expos moments is when

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<v Speaker 1>they stole it from the Cubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was great. We had a great team and

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<v Speaker 2>had the baseball strike of nineteen ninety six not happened,

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<v Speaker 2>we might have won a World Series and then we

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<v Speaker 2>would have kept our team instead of having to sell

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Wash and franchise. Whs became the Nationals, which,

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<v Speaker 2>like anyway, I think thisbell is great, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>paid me one hundreds of millions of dollars, I'd play forever,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah for and not have to do that much.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, seriously, I'm not kidding. I love this game,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you have a son having play baseball, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you put your son in football? Like CT

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<v Speaker 1>the physicality of that game. I was watching the Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night game last night was Kansas City and the LA

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<v Speaker 1>team and they around. It was a great game, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like every play someone was getting carted off the

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<v Speaker 1>field for something.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they should play football without helmets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, said I've said this a million times.

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<v Speaker 2>Will not do open field tackle helmet helmets.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what they should do is what they do

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<v Speaker 1>in rugby. If you want to wear helmet, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to you wear like a leathered you a helmet thing

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<v Speaker 1>around your head. And because I have said this forever,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back to the old days of the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all they had. They just had that like leather

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<v Speaker 1>thing around there.

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<v Speaker 2>Also they didn't have a lot of teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have a lot of teeth. But it's like

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's more it's like rugby. Then you start

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<v Speaker 1>to learn how to tackle without using your head right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you use your shoulder, you go to you can

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen a game of rugby? Those guys are

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<v Speaker 1>running at you at full pelt and you are tackling

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<v Speaker 1>them now. I And also when you think about a

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver going across, like you're not going to spear

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<v Speaker 1>him with your head. Now, they've tried to take away spearing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has still happens from time to time just

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<v Speaker 1>because you know that's but if you know that your

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<v Speaker 1>head is not protected, you're not sparing anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Noso. For me, what I like about football

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<v Speaker 2>is the athleticism of the running and catching. Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>so much the and the throwing and the accuracy human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, like I feel you know, I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I like to throw an a hypothetical. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I would watch football again if there were no helpmets.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it's a hypothetical I've been saying for years. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly think if they want to improve people's longevity, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to improve people's longevity, well, you know they.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it, and we've improved the helmets. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>just take the helmets away. You'd be dull and real

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<v Speaker 1>quick not to go in with their helmet with their

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<v Speaker 1>head because I don't have a helmet on.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway. I love that you're New York Transfer anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Tennisis so you really yelled into the mic.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, oh, look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I really tried to make a point about tennis. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I bring it too close. Yeah, I always think

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<v Speaker 3>people want stop trying to put.

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<v Speaker 1>That little mark in your mouth. All right, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to a little bit of tennis. Hi, everybody, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you joined us for a tennis talk and we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But tennis talk starts at ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a segue into tennis, which is speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>how much people get paid. There is wild speculation. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, renee u M Seed an event here in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, the Garden Cup Cup. Oh yeah, Amminavarrogula yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Shelton Alcarez.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, by all accounts, wildly successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well not all accounts was it wildly successful, But by

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<v Speaker 2>some accounts it was successful because there were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of seats energy in the space.

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<v Speaker 1>Was I would say it was wildly successful in the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Madison Square Garden was sold out. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell you when I heard that I was

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<v Speaker 1>getting I was doing the MC job. This was months

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<v Speaker 1>and months ago, and you know I live in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see any advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't market it at all, which was strange.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I can tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were still some seats available day for eight dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked online. Yeah, but like we're talking, way way way, way,

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<v Speaker 1>way out, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy that tennis was in MSU and we had

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<v Speaker 2>something to talk about, so I'm not trying how.

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<v Speaker 1>Many members of the USTA membership is there, take your guess,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So they sent out an email to all the USTA memberships, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and they bought the tickets like crazy. So that's how

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<v Speaker 1>they sold out. Interesting, they didn't have to do any

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<v Speaker 1>advertising because tennis is so popular. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation I wanted to get to today, is that tennis

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<v Speaker 1>is so wildly popular in this country that you know

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<v Speaker 1>a million people reached out to get tickets to this thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like in overall and so. And I have to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>when I got there, I was working with Steve Weissman,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the other MC. I'm like, I said to him,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, how'd they get a good crowd?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, it's sold out? Like a what. So many

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends that live in the city who love

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<v Speaker 1>tennis were like, oh, I didn't even know this was

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<v Speaker 1>happening because literally they did no advertising on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? They sold out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But is it a good thing that we had

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<v Speaker 2>a major event in the heart of New York City

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody knew about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You answered that question.

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<v Speaker 3>What you said on some accounts, what were their accounts?

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<v Speaker 2>They were friends. The friends they were there were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty low energy. These matches are not very good.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no music or energy to it, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>production issue, and that's a cost. It is a cost.

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<v Speaker 2>But also if you sell out a thing like give

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<v Speaker 2>people a night of entertainment, Like I'm not a huge

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<v Speaker 2>exhibition tennis fan generally la the elephant out there, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think like, and truly my attitude about

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<v Speaker 2>this is like, hey, great, start like did I put

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<v Speaker 2>on an event at MSG?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not, So I'm not here to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>well they could have done all this stuff better. That's it. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we've established that people want to see this thing, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how can we iterate and improve it and maybe make

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of interstitual moments because sometimes you get a

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<v Speaker 2>good exit. I mean, you've played tons of exos. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what makes a good exo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard, but I think so what I think

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<v Speaker 3>what you really need to lean into from my experience,

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<v Speaker 3>is to have a bit of a different counting system,

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<v Speaker 3>get new people in and out so you keep the

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not the match that counts, right, it's about

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<v Speaker 3>the people that come out, and of course Carlos helps

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<v Speaker 3>because he's just both Ben and Carlos.

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<v Speaker 1>I was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the box office players exactly, so that that will

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<v Speaker 3>always work. But I think what the exhibitions I was

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<v Speaker 3>part of that work best were mostly when either it

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<v Speaker 3>was established like the Luxembourg Ladies do. It's a prize

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<v Speaker 3>money thing. Who wins wins more money than there is

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of stakes, and that was like part

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<v Speaker 3>of the advertising is who wins gets a fifty k paycheck, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so then you feel a little bit of a competition

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<v Speaker 3>in it. Yes, that's one thing that works. Or you

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<v Speaker 3>have I have a lot of names and you keep

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<v Speaker 3>changing them out right where you can like exchange oh,

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<v Speaker 3>three games Andre Agacy please.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with that? Yeah, money, Okay, so it cost

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money. I would say, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but I'm going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>guess and say that Carlos probably made a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>that night.

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<v Speaker 2>The rumor is it's between one and two million, guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say one, You're probably right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the taking the gate was three with

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<v Speaker 1>the crowds. Yeah, you know, and the money.

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<v Speaker 2>And I heard Jess and Emma got one hundred K,

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard Ben got anywhere from two to five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred from a couple of different reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say that was truly spent at least

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars on just the players alone, on talent.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you think about that, then you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>pay everyone working, including myself. You know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>pay these people to come in, You've got to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for the court to be later. Like, it costs a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money to put an event like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the sponsorship, they didn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sponsorship, but I I can they did not have them, No,

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<v Speaker 1>they did not, but I can. They made enough money

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<v Speaker 1>to cover everything. But what I would say is that's great. Yea, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. First, Yeah, and and yes, Ben and

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos were incredible. Carlos is just oh my god, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just he is. Yeah, and Ben did a great job

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And his game is not necessarily like flashy

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<v Speaker 1>like Carlos's, because you know, he can't rally as easily.

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<v Speaker 1>But my god, some of the shots he hit, and

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<v Speaker 1>he hit one forehand that was so hard. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my god. So they were fun. The girls not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I mean, Emma was trying because she's

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<v Speaker 1>got a little bit more of a like quirky personality.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, Jess is Jess. She's not really flashy

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<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff. But the tennis was

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<v Speaker 1>really good from the two of them. It was very

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<v Speaker 1>good tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing with them, yeah, I don't know. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>thing with them is you need one of the players

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<v Speaker 3>to be an extroverted charisma a type of thing. But

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<v Speaker 3>she's not going to drop shots or slices through the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>But Sablenka will show up, she will look great in

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<v Speaker 3>her dress, she will demand attention, and she will be

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<v Speaker 3>there and have presence. And I think you need at

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<v Speaker 3>least one of these type of players for these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but again, as I said, yeah, yeah, but what about.

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<v Speaker 3>You think Pegula doesn't have a bigger paycheck on her

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<v Speaker 3>head in America than Seblenka. Nobody in the States knows

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<v Speaker 3>who she is, even though she's number one in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Right even like, okay, we side in the Forbes things

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<v Speaker 3>that you just mentioned, Sablenka andre Bacchina combined earned less

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<v Speaker 3>in sponsorship money than Emma Raducanu. Yeah, so clearly you

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<v Speaker 3>know we know why they are not from the States.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, no, and also or England or EU countries

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<v Speaker 3>or Big Marsh. She's attractive and they so Sabka, Sablenka

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<v Speaker 3>is an incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>She's from Belarus.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I mean. That's what I mean. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>tell me that Sablenka costs more than a Jess Pagoula

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<v Speaker 3>in America. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I think they

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<v Speaker 3>are demanded.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think she would demand.

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<v Speaker 3>She wouldn't because she's number one in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. I bet she'd be like, oh, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a carbone table and you get the thing

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<v Speaker 2>like I think you could probably just shuld be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, we'll put you on the giant screen at

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<v Speaker 2>a Knicks game. She'd be like, yeah, cool. She seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a good time Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, I'll beat me at the bar after.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll She is very very serious. I talked to her

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<v Speaker 3>at the Ocean Open last year. I interviewed to a

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<v Speaker 3>few times. She's super She's very serious about her off season.

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<v Speaker 3>She takes it very serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot say enough about how thankful I feel as

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<v Speaker 2>a tennis fan, not only because I like her style

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<v Speaker 2>of play, but also just like it is so helpful

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<v Speaker 2>for the game to have a charismatic number one. It

0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.960
<v Speaker 2>is so helpful to even if she's from a small market.

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.800
<v Speaker 2>She translates, she's Miami, she's flashy, she's got the Omar

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<v Speaker 2>Piger watch thing. She's just like, she's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a lot of presents, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much presence, and it's uh to me. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't need her to win all the stuff. Part of

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<v Speaker 2>it is is she gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Actually, part of I love, I actually love when

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<v Speaker 1>she loses because she's especially in finals and she does

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<v Speaker 1>her speeches and she's like, wow, but she's my ass

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<v Speaker 1>this time, but I'm going to kick your ass.

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<v Speaker 2>What is just like such a fun spectacle. I really

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<v Speaker 2>like when my athletes are like treating it like a

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<v Speaker 2>game in the sense that they're very serious and it's

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<v Speaker 2>about the process, but also they understand that like part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is also the entertainment factor, and like she

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<v Speaker 2>really delivers on that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and not all of them do, No, they don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I mean listen, you can't help your personality.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>But for example, that's why Jess and Saberlenka when they

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<v Speaker 3>do play, that's an amazing matchup because they, yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't need Tonka, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes down to money and who's available as well

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<v Speaker 1>for these things. And it's easier to get an American

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<v Speaker 1>in November to play in America, right. And the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Carlos, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing like another exhibition.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that he and then he played Charlotte. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's already done that Charlotte event. Yeah, But like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>when is this guy having any time off? When is

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<v Speaker 1>he like he started He's starting his preseason this coming week.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him his agent. So I'm like, apparently had

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<v Speaker 1>like two weeks off, didn't hit a tennis ball after

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<v Speaker 1>after Davis Cup. I'm like, so when he played Ben

0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't hit a ball in like two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he doesn't need so.

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<v Speaker 1>That those were his two those were his weeks off,

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<v Speaker 1>and then coming to play these exos was like him

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<v Speaker 1>getting started for next year. I'm like, fuck you, no, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you if I'm Yanick Sin. I'm sitting back

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<v Speaker 1>there going, okay, well, I had pretty good preseason. I

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<v Speaker 1>had like two weeks off I didn't do anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I went straight into it. I don't know, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you guys talk a little bit about just because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is really interesting to understand the exo

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<v Speaker 2>and like what the formula of it, Like what the

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<v Speaker 2>fun ones you've been involved in. I mean, like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>gives UTS a lot of shit. I know, everybody in

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<v Speaker 2>the space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like just one that utr UTS. What is a

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<v Speaker 1>UTR in London?

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<v Speaker 2>UTS is the XO. UTR is the reading system and

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<v Speaker 2>they're very easy to confuse. But you know, Patrick gets

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of not not to be confused with the UTI.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody want that. That's what I don't want. Only cranberry

0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.680
<v Speaker 2>juice can prevent a UTS, oh my god, but it

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<v Speaker 2>cannot prevent a UTS. So I do like actually the

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<v Speaker 2>UTS format because kind of two point It's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the names are silly. I think their graphics could be

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<v Speaker 2>greatly improved. It looks like a you know, WWE, like

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen eighties sort of marketing program.

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<v Speaker 1>The WWE in the eighties was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty cool, but like it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, like I want to watch somebody play a

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<v Speaker 2>tie break? Do I want to watch somebody, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>their hertsun and it play three sets, Like Nope, But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to like see somebody try for like a

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<v Speaker 2>ten point really hard and see what happens and like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe try to do go for some asis. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that there's something too. I don't hate exos

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a rule, but I do think there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a variation and how good they can be. And

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, MSG, I'm glad they had it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad well was so. But I would love to see

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<v Speaker 2>us build on this and maybe make it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they have one hundred percent certain I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna say for certainly it's coming back next year,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say ninety percent certainty that it will

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<v Speaker 1>come back because of the it was so wildly successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, breaking even in your first year is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they hadn't played for six or seven years,

0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.359
<v Speaker 1>they hadn't had the Garden Cup for like six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. I've been a part of it almost every

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<v Speaker 1>year that has been there, whether it be MCing or

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<v Speaker 1>commentating it. But you know what it showed me was,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, God, how I missed playing tennis tournaments

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<v Speaker 1>in Madison Square Garden. I mean we played the WTA

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<v Speaker 1>finals there for a number year. My first couple of

0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.440
<v Speaker 1>years I played the WTA finals when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Bear was at Madison Square Garden and it was

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievably successful. We always had great crowds. Double singles didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>People came and they showed up. Because you have to remember,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Madison Square Garden. It is in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of Manhattan. Do you know how many people live

0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.480
<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan that have money.

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Easy to get to on every train.

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<v Speaker 1>One fucking apartment building could fill the Madison Square Garden.

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<v Speaker 1>You think about then you've got people coming in from

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<v Speaker 1>Long Island, but it is accessible. It's so easy to

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<v Speaker 1>get into Madison Square Garden.

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<v Speaker 3>And how was the atmosphere when you were I was great?

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<v Speaker 3>It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean even the atmosphere, you know when Ben's

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<v Speaker 1>particular in Ben and Carlos were playing, the crowd goes nuts.

0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.920
<v Speaker 1>The atmosphere and there is awesome. So I'm like, please, God,

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<v Speaker 1>can we bring an event back there. It's crazy The

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.399
<v Speaker 1>ATP or WT finals one year should be there. Clearly

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to find the sponsorship. I get it. But surely,

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<v Speaker 1>surely Bill Ackman was playing in the pro am. Of

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.120
<v Speaker 1>course it was before the event. I mean I could

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<v Speaker 1>buy the fucking w TAO ATP finals and put it

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<v Speaker 1>on there every year himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Time better spent than him trying to get University of

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<v Speaker 2>Presidents fired for which hunts.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, exactly, him for supporting certain people for president.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, at this rate, the Italians will buy Madison Square

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<v Speaker 3>and then just put an event on by the Italian

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Tennis Federation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's actually get to that, because let's have it. But

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<v Speaker 1>just to finish, like the thread on this is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know you saw Charlotte also packed, also sold out.

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<v Speaker 1>We are missing more tenors in this country, in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, when I played in my day, we

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<v Speaker 1>had a number of tournaments here at the end of

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the year, indoors in Philadelphia, at Madison Square Garden in Chicago,

0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and we don't have those events. And god, I wish

0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.240
<v Speaker 1>we had more events because people are hankering for tennis

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.280
<v Speaker 1>in this country exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what, I'm glad you mentioned that because

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<v Speaker 2>that was totally my takeaway, which is just like with

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<v Speaker 2>very little.

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<v Speaker 1>Much an email.

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<v Speaker 2>They send out emails like imagine what the USTA could

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<v Speaker 2>be doing on a regular basis if they have.

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<v Speaker 1>A utilizing their membership.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like, you know, we know that the

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<v Speaker 2>USTA is oversubscribed, we know that they probably sell too

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<v Speaker 2>many tickets, so that the thing now just feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a total us open us open. Yeah sorry, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think because of that, like, yeah, there's latent demand here,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's like spread the wealth throughout the I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Paris has two major events, like it has a Master's

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand, and it has a Slam. Like then that's

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<v Speaker 2>a city with less density and it gets sold out

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<v Speaker 2>every time, and it sold out every time, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great. Like I want to see like

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<v Speaker 2>sort of it's it's easy to use case studies to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of say like, Okay, well this makes the case

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<v Speaker 2>now for this, and I hope that happens. La, as

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<v Speaker 2>we've discussed many times, should also have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Tennis Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually I was talking with Christy on about

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<v Speaker 2>this on Friday because she I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real shame Chicago doesn't have a tournament because

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago's actually like a pretty big tennis study. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, wait, but the Chicago tennis tournament itself,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, actually, yeah, I've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, you don't understand what the tournament in

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, as an example, so sometimes had nine am. I

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 3>haven't played at nine am since I was twelve years old.

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 3>That was my match, my main dro match, because their

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 3>lights weren't working, so they had to get in four

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<v Speaker 3>rounds of tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, there was She said there was a curfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we know, you know the owners and you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know. No, no, no, But just to illustrate

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<v Speaker 2>the point, she said, there was a curfew because also

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like pretty rough around town and nobody came to.

0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:59.360
<v Speaker 1>There was in the south side of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody had to get bussed out of there by a

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<v Speaker 2>certain time, so that just by a.

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Bus there wasn't running, and so you had to order

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<v Speaker 3>ubers and then give them the invoices that they never

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<v Speaker 3>paid for. That was one and then on the semi

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<v Speaker 3>final day because strangely enough, I want the doubles in

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:20.720
<v Speaker 3>that one. Yes, yeah, no, no, I'm not cheating on

0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.440
<v Speaker 3>it with she won with a crutch by her side.

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<v Speaker 3>But on semifinals day, they didn't have catering. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have food because they said, oh, they told us nobody

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.399
<v Speaker 3>was going to be here anymore, and then we had

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<v Speaker 3>to order Uber Eats again give them the invoice that

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<v Speaker 3>they never paid for. So I'm not sure Chicago really

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<v Speaker 3>needs time to shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>On a tournament. It's just to say it does take

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of planning.

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<v Speaker 1>It does take a lot of which is my point

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<v Speaker 1>in making with them. They didn't have a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>This was thrust upon them very quickly to have that tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, yeah, we can do it because they

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<v Speaker 1>have the facilities. And one of the things about having

0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a tennis storm is you have to have facilities. You

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<v Speaker 1>have got gotta have the call, you've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>the lights, you've got to have the freedom to have

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<v Speaker 1>the members say oh yeah, we can, okay give up

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.880
<v Speaker 1>our you know, our club for a week. So there's

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot that goes into it. You've got to have sponsorship,

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have all that sort of stuff. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be able to pay for lunches, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to it's you've got to play for linesmen,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to play for lines women, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to you've got to put them up in hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, you've got to advertise the tournament so that

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<v Speaker 2>people come, which is not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this event sure had a built in email list

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<v Speaker 2>to create fandom, but like, not all of them do. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious to see what happens with the Dallas Open,

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<v Speaker 2>which is now like kind of getting an upgrade. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a men's only event in late February, it's an indoor event.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously they get the male stars. But the reason I

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 2>bring it up is because it exactly to your point,

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 2>was at a private, kind of provincial, nice but provincial

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 2>club in the middle of like the Dallas suburbs. And

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>now they're playing it at the practice stadium for the

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys, and it's going to feel real empty unless

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<v Speaker 2>they got a ton of people there, yeah, which maybe

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 2>they will and hopefully it's you know how much I

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's kind similar to the Miami Open stadium where

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<v Speaker 2>they like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh right, oh okay, that's going.

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<v Speaker 2>So it'll be it'll be interesting to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like the idea like okay, cool, like we're

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>going to make a commitment, we're going to try to

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 2>have this venue for a couple of years, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>advertising it now so that.

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<v Speaker 1>They have you know, because the thing that I feel

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that's a men's of anally, it's.

0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 2>A mens of not only so you know, obviously plenty

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<v Speaker 2>to leave to be desired, but like the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like as a as a spectator is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I want this to be like good tennis, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to feel like there's a thoughtful set up as

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<v Speaker 2>an experience, but also like I feel bad when the

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>players show up and there's nobody to watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course it's like that sucks like WTA finals

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<v Speaker 1>in Dallas, I mean in Fort Worth and nobody knew

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't pick the venue until like ten days before.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm sort of exaggerating, but like, yeah, like

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the players deserve especially for like a finals event, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well guess what in read they know it's still coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>Semi finals and finals was sold out. It's a small venue.

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Three and a half I think were great, but the

0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 3>semis and finals were at least sold out, So maybe

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<v Speaker 3>next year, you know, the it's not easy. I always

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 3>give slack. Is that how you say? I give slack

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 3>to first year events. That's why Madison Square Garden, the

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Garden Cup, they called it breaking even in the first

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 3>year is an incredible success because usually it takes a

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.679
<v Speaker 3>few years. I mean, just talk to Bob Moran, who

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 3>has done an incredible job with Charles Charleston. It just

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 3>takes years to embed yourself into the community and for

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 3>people to know this part time of year, the tennis

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 3>is in town. Like the Gossip Girl. Do you know

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 3>the Gossip Girl? It was like, why what do you

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 3>want to don't want to go out? Tennis players are

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 3>in town. That's like a line on Gossip Girl. And

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>that's the type that that's the thing that you want

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 3>to achieve with an event like this, that people of

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 3>the community are going like, tennis is in town.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>At least one day of it. I'm taking my family.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why tickets have to be affordable, at least some

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 3>of them. It's my credo some of them. You have

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 3>to be able to take your kids to tennis and

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 3>then for them to see the magic with their own

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and maybe pick up the record and become a

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 3>lifelong fan, and this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why we need a Commissioner of Tennis.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and we have nominated you now, mamma, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's been a majority of us yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet on exactly you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't oppose your own nomination against my will. I've decided

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<v Speaker 2>to accept.

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 3>Against my will, I've phenominated.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's classic anyway. I just think we need tennis

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<v Speaker 1>in this country more. But it also goes back to

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the conversation we've been having through me thinking that after

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the US Open, tennis needs to stop. The calendar tournaments

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>need to stop. As far as the WTAATP, I think

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you need to have one twenty five to fifties for

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>players outside of so the top fifty, but everybody else.

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to have some team events and

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>some exos and fun and make sure these players are

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>making our shit ton of money and but they're not

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>having the stress of like winning a tournament or playing

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>against people like from the US Open nine. I think

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>we have the United Cup. I think we have Hotman Cut,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>we have Davis Cup and Billy Jean Kin Cup, and

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you make everything a team event and make everything fun

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>for these players and you take maybe one player I

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.719
<v Speaker 1>think we discussed this last week, but one player from

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the top ten, one player from the top twenty, one

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>player from the top thirty, forty and fifty, right, and

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you make a team of that. So it's kind of

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like an NBAWNBA free agency, Like, okay, you get to

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>choose somebody in the top ten, you get to choose

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody in the top five.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Is that like World Team Tennis?

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Kind of a little bit like World Team Tennis, and

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>you make a team out of it, and then you

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>can exchange them in and out singles and doubles and

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 1>mixed doubles, and you actually have teams a minute.

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>For the merchandise, the logos, I mean team handchicks.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, China is putting a lot of tennis into

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>money at the end of the year, so guess what,

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you have a true World Cup, right, So everyone from

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>every you know, one person from each top ten, top twenty,

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>top thirty has to be picked in a team.

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I love it, and y could be a Parrot's team.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>So everyone in the top fifty is taking care of

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone's playing. If you're ranked one, you get x amount

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:03.239
<v Speaker 1>of money too.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So pragmatically, what comes off the schedule.

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Everything, so you kill all of that Asian tournaments and

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, well but Asian wants to put money, Yeah,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>they can. You have a World Cup, you have a

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>true World Cup, then you have a you know, a

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>mixed event.

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>You have like, well, don't we take it out of Australia.

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Of Madison Square Garden that was one of the sites

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of a World Team Tennis, it was sold out every

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>single match.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I think any economist would like the I think the

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>World Cup idea is additive. I think anybody who's looking

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>at the tenness economics would say, you're insane to take

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>tennis out of Asia. We probably should take it out

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of Australia because it's such a small market.

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>So I just say, I'm just saying, I'm talking about

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I know what you're talking about, but some thing's got

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to give. And it's easy for you to be like

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>it's Asia, But it would also be easy for somebody

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>to be like January, it's not really summer for most

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>of the living hemispheres, but that's why it's down there.

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>It's summer.

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>But I just but I think you have to I

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>think you have to account for your own bias in this.

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not a bias Australia. First of all, Australias the

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>amount of money. There's no bigger country in the world.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>There's no country in the world that loves sports more.

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the intangible, the amount.

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Of money that it makes for Victoria, for Australia, for

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>as an industry.

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 2>As a market, it is a tiny, tiny, tiny market.

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's it's in Asia. It's Australia. The tournament

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is known as the Tournament of Australia.

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>White people.

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any Asian people are like, oh, yeah,

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>it's sponsored by Kia. Like half the sponsorships are Chinese.

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Kias are a Korean company.

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, but but it's an Asian company.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>My point is, I think if you were to be like,

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm these are the this is gonna be a your

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>feet now that you're the commissioner, I like, and you're like,

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going back. If you're the commissioner and you

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>have to kill a part of the tour and so

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>much money and so much new play and recreation and

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>equipment sales and momentum is coming out of Asia, what

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>do you do about that?

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.959
<v Speaker 3>Well, then the World Cup first chances Commissioner to make

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 3>it the World Cup that Renee mentioned it had to

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 3>be it would have to be in Asia then, or

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 3>you would travel it around the world. I can't kill

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 3>that part or you have That's what I always said.

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 3>In order to protect I don't think it would be feasible,

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 3>but in order to protect protect players health, I just

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 3>don't think they would want to be away from home

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 3>so much is I think you should have all of January, February,

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little bit into March, be in Asia Pacific,

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 3>start at Australia.

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Commissioner has moved, well, start start in Australia, starting in Australia,

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Start in Australia, move to China, Asia, China, Japan, then

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 4>go to the Middle East and then go to the States.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 3>So basically you're staying on the same timeline because what's

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 3>killing players on top of the long schedule is having

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 3>to fly back and forth from one from one time.

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>All well, the way it used to go back in

0:30:52.400 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the new has arrived early on in my career, it

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>went Australia, Japan, indoors in the US right Chicago, Philadelphia,

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>that was the early part. So it was winter. It

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>was like April. Sorry, it was like February March, and

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>then it was Indian Wells and Miami. So you went Australia, Asia, US,

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>then you went to Europe for all the clay and Wimbledon,

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And then you came back to the US

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and then you either went back to Europe or you

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>stayed in the States. There were tournaments in both in

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Europe and in the States, and then we finished with

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Madison Square Garden.

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 2>So we've done this before, but I would like to

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>crowdsource an ideal schedule. Somebody asked me and I was like,

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Buenas like I just wasn't prepared.

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>You were just buased. You would you want to take

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>everything out of Australia and put it in South America.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>The market is I don't want to punish Australia. My

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 2>beef is not with Australia. My beef is more just

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like with the schedule. It's a weird time with the schedule.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>And also it's not when do you propose having an

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Australia in winter? I don't, Yeah, that's your problem.

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna I think actually like something that that

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>is part of a as long as it's part of

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a tour. It just feels like such an outlier now.

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And also like it's an outlier that people love, dude,

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>some people Australian people do. But because we have to

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 1>fucking get up at three in the morning to watch

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>any tennis event for the rest of the year, it's

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>about time y'all got up early and had to watch us.

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>But they don't.

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And also a lot of the sponsors, yes, Kiah, sure,

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 2>but like a lot of the global sponsors don't consider

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Australia a big enough market to develop.

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>It, which a little Australia feels differently.

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>They making Australia has done a great job with a

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>with a with not a lot.

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>But also you talk about having destination ornaments and destination

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>events all the time, in Australia is truly a destination.

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>How many europe you know how many Europeans go down

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to Australia for the Australian Open.

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, that's true. They always they connect it. Well

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 3>that's the thing that Americans. Yeah, they go like, oh,

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>we've never been to Australia, let's stay there for three

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 3>four weeks and Yesta and Open or United Cup, a

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 3>one part of that.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So anyway, just to get back to I think

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>after the US Open, I think that's the time, you know,

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you pet go bring up Okay, do we just have

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>it in Asia? I don't know. You can see, I think,

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>sign a five year contract and have a World Cup

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and have all these different events in China where people

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>aren't moving around, where they actually getting a place to

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>stay in for a month, They're getting paid a lot

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>of money.

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the reason she's Asia is whatever, because otherwise

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>where where do they fit.

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>On the schedule. Well, the reason I bring up having

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>it in Asia or China in particular is because obviously

0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>they're willing to put a lot of money in and

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to it's it's you're going to always guarantee a big

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>prize money check. Now are the fans gonna be there?

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean certainly they get great fans

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in Beijing and Shanghai, in the big cities, and then

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe after four years or five years you have a

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>bidding war.

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I actually think if we're gonna go double down on Asia,

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>having lived there, I think you go in like February

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>into it indoors when it's the lunar New York Festa.

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>But we're talking about having this World Cup. I get

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>it without the points.

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 2>You're you're so we're solving for different problems. My problem

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 2>is trying to shorten the season so the players don't

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>get injured so much and so they don't have to

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 2>like dread playing a single points meaningful tournament after all. Yeah,

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it is your larger point. And for me,

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.479
<v Speaker 2>the way to do that is to move You can't

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 2>kill Asia from the schedule, so move it to maybe

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the like late winter, early spring.

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Well you could do what Picco saying. You go from

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Australia to Asia and you move everything around at the

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>end of the year and then you take it at

0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year and you go to my

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>South America or But also you have to remember this,

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the people that put this on after the US Open

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>to have a World Cup. That the thing I'm talking

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>about a lot of money. It has to be in

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a place that can afford a lot of money. So

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>we're talking China, we're talking to it does have to

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>be Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia, Yeah, well maybe it is.

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's where you have the World Cup and you literally,

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're number one in the world and

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you play in this, you're getting ten million dollars, you know,

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 1>or fifteen million dollars to come and play it.

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Listen. I will gladly do all the cooler merch and

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>marketing and storytelling for this.

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I had this conversation actually with Craig Tiley, you know,

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>because Craig's always trying to innovate at some stage with tennis,

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and he's always trying to push the envelope a little bit.

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And I said, you know, after the US Open, like,

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>let's just nix all the points tournaments, keep the smaller

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 1>ones because for the people outside say the top fifty

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>or top seventy five, that they're able to play and

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 1>people are going to be like, well, they're gonna they're

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna win, they're going to win points and they're going

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>to move up, and players inside the top fifty aren't

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 1>because they're not getting points. You work out a system

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of maybe a bonus points schedule. If you win against

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>certain people, you get a certain amount. I just think

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>there's an opportunity there to take away the pressure of playing.

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And also, these players are playing these exhibitions when they've

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>been talking about how fucking tired they are. I'm like, well, no,

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.399
<v Speaker 1>you're playing because you're getting paid a lot of money.

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>That's why for free, because it doesn't cost you anything.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>If Carlos loses to Francis, who cares? He loses the band?

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Who cares?

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>If he loses in a regular tournament, it's like, oh,

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>he's on a losing streak.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 3>That's what we talked about last year, right, where tennis

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 3>is the only sport that kind of functions like a

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 3>little where every team functions like a little company. Tennis

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 3>player being the CEO has to hire his own people,

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 3>pay them, and then make sure he makes a profit

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 3>from what he's to pay for it. So when you

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 3>have an exhibition at pays two million, you can be like,

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 3>are my expenses for this year?

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Covert?

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Now I can go buy myself a cryo cabin in

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 3>my house like Cristiano Ronaldo and sleep and minus ninety degrees.

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>That's no, that travels with doesn't he?

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 3>But right, that's what I think. That's what in tennis.

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.879
<v Speaker 3>You don't have the security like who wants oo? Who knows?

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 3>For the next fifteen years, I'm set with seven hundred

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:04.720
<v Speaker 3>and fifty million dollars.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I can make sure that is e Venezuelan. Oh my god,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>he might so much money he buy the country he

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 1>came from. I mean, that's just crazy money.

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 3>But just you know he can, he can allocate a

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 3>certain number of that money that he's that he's going

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 3>to be paid. And Pullinovak Djokovic who always had that.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Heinz Or always had this like incredible vision of himself

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 3>when we were seventeen, he's my age. When we were seventeen,

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 3>he already was drinking green juices, already had a physio

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 3>with him, and he was paying that out of his

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 3>own pocket. He's from serving investing he did. Yeah, he

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.479
<v Speaker 3>didn't have a federation that was backing him. It didn't

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 3>have big sponsorship money. He just had this vision of

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 3>himself becoming the goat, and he managed to do so.

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 3>But rarely do people ever have that. But somebody who

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>earns in the next ten years x amount can allocate

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>some of those funds into building themselves into the best

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 3>player that can be, and tennis players can't. And that's

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.959
<v Speaker 3>why we see regularly on the tennis player side people

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 3>not fulfilling their potential because they have to decide make

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.280
<v Speaker 3>decisions day to day when they lose. Like I always

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 3>give the example when I in my last year before

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 3>I retired, I wanted to make a big splash at

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Indian Wells and Miami. So I traveled with three people

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 3>with a physio, with a fitness coach and my coach,

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 3>and I.

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Spent You had an entourage.

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I had an entourage, and I spent ten K because

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 3>we arrived ten days early to Indian Wells to adjust

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 3>to the time zone to adjus to the desert. I'd

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 3>never played well in Indian Wells because the ball flew,

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 3>so I like bought all these balls. I brought all

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 3>these people, and a day before Indian Wells, I tear

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>my doctor. Yeah that's right, I tore my doctor. I

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 3>had to pull out. And then they have this rule

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 3>that you can pull out of the tournament and you

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>get the first round price hockey right half of it.

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 3>So I got like four and a half thousand. So

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I was already in the minors. So now I was

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 3>there having to decide do I try to get ready

0:38:57.800 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>for It was a small tear. Do I try to

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 3>get ready for Miami? Spend another fifteen K with all

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 3>these people? I made the decision, and I reinjured my

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 3>adopted three days before Miami had to pull out. Didn't

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 3>get any money there. I remember I was in a

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 3>minus of twenty five thousand.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was okay.

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 3>I had a career of fifteen years behind.

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I was reach already.

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 3>But but that's those are decisions. But those are decisions.

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 3>And I was in the fifteenth year of my career

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 3>and that was my last year. I could make this

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 3>splash and I had a decent career. But there are

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 3>plenty of plays. If I had been eighteen, who had

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 3>just been on a score for one year, they would fuck.

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>My next five years.

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't have paid for my coach, but the whole

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 3>entire rest of the season, And that's what tennis players

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 3>have to deal with every day. And so I think

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you have to give them the opportunity to play a

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 3>few exhibitions to have saved money in the pocket, and

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 3>then they can, you know, pay for their teams, et cetera,

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 3>et cetera.

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Or we can socialize and have a union and create

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>labor negotiations with mutually agreed upon several roles and schedule.

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it seems to me that I'm sitting here with

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>both commissioners. I'm just the uh, I'm the consigli. That's

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>all I wanted. All right, that's what you want to

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's let's finish this pod because we're going

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to do a quick one.

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Can I ask a question? We have?

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 3>We have, we have questions, questions.

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Can I just ask a question A quick question? Yes,

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>for the lay person because you mentioned it Renee before,

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 2>and Andrea, I'm very curious because you have played so

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>recently and we're talking about physically optimizing. Carlos was spending

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>his off season doing exos and is now beginning his preseason.

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 2>We see all these photographs of players Dubai wherever, training Miami.

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>What are you trying to do? You're trying to reset,

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:37.919
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to get strong, You're trying to incorporate new things,

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 2>like what's the what's the ideal in your mind preseason

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>or like what's the best preseason you ever had?

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 3>And what are you doing? So for me, I'm interested

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 3>to hear what Renee's for me. It was roughly five

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 3>weeks and I would focus for the like of course,

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.479
<v Speaker 3>first at least two weeks I think two weeks rest

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 3>after a season is too little. Actually, I later in

0:40:57.840 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 3>the year, I would try and take three four weeks

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't mean three weeks lying in bed not

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 3>doing anything, but three weeks without playing tennis and maybe

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 3>just focusing on regenerator recovering gender.

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Getting the tennis back is not hard. It's a physicality, yes, exactly.

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And the problem is you know when you go on vacation,

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you have this dread in your breast because you know

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 1>every in your breast. Yeah, well every day I have

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 1>had a dread in my breast.

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Well you have this probably better in German, but yeah,

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>but you haven't.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 3>You have a dread inside of you because you know

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 3>German you have. There is no I just made this up,

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>but every I'm a riter. I was trying.

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to give you in Serbian.

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. But every every day that you don't

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 3>work out will make you suffer more for first day

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:46.959
<v Speaker 3>that you start workling out again.

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>So you have this you even when you're guilt, it's

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>just you know it's dread.

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's dread in your breast post you're trying to recover.

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, you know I haven't down. Okay,

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm yelling again. I'm sorry, Okay, So what I want

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 3>to say is, for me, the ideal thing is if

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 3>you could recover for three to four weeks ideally, which

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 3>is rarely of a possible. So let's say three weeks

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 3>and then two weeks you only work on your physicality.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.919
<v Speaker 3>You do four or five hours a day doing intervals,

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 3>doing getting back your endurance, getting back your strength, just

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 3>getting really strong. Then you start playing tennis. The first week,

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>how I would do it. I would just hit balls,

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 3>cross cords, the most boring ship you can. Yeah, you

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 3>go half an hour cross court, half an our cross court,

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 3>half an hour, then the small Then the next week

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 3>you would start to do moving on the court, a

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of how do you call it, side side to

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 3>sides exactly, to across one line exactly, those things. And

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 3>then in the last two weeks, and that can already

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 3>be at the tournament side.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>You start playing points. Yeah, you stop playing points, then

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you stop playing sets, you stop playing.

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a slow build, but it's intentional.

0:42:54.880 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>It's very intentional. It's it's intentional. The physol part of

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>it is intentional is that you know the same thing,

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>like the maximum I ever had off of doing nothing

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 1>was a week like because every day you're like, oh

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>my god, it's going to be hurting, and it hurts

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.800
<v Speaker 1>so much in that first week, so you try and

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of doing a little bit of physicality every day,

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>even if it's just a ten minute run or something

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like that, just to keep your heart rate up. And

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>then the second week, you know, you would get back

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 1>into definitely working out, and then two weeks after that,

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would start hitting balls again. You don't

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>forget how to hit a ball, that's the thing. It's

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>just the thing that's hard is that you lose the

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 1>rust of playing points, you know. So the first couple

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of games of every tournament, you know, on Brisbane or

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>wherever you start, Auckland, it's just like, well, you know,

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:41.399
<v Speaker 1>because you people like, what do you mean you forget?

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>You kin'd of forget how to construct a point, you know,

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>because it just doesn't come as naturally. And then after

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a week you're like, oh, I got it. But yeah,

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>so just a slow build and also you're working on

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>all of your weaknesses hopefully in the off season, you know.

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 3>And that's a little bit just to just as an

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 3>addendum there. If you have done big technical thing that

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 3>you have to fix, talking about maybe Cocoa Gov's forehand

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 3>or Cocoga second serf, whatever it is. Although they changed

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 3>her grip on the surf within middle of the season

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 3>and it worked perfectly well, good for her. But if

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 3>you have something like that, a bigger technical adjustment, I

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 3>think you will have to I had something that I

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 3>did with my forehand. I started playing tennis earlier than

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 3>I would have normally, so I didn't do only physical stuff.

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 3>I would go out on court for an hour and

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 3>just try to fix that technical thing, because it takes

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 3>roughly ninety days before something is in the subconscious.

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>This is why I asked a question, because I knew

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 2>that there was some sort of formula.

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I remember one of the best examples of

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>that for me was Lee Nah when she won these

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Strain Open prior to that in I will never forget,

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I was courtside for her match in New Haven and

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>she probably hit twelve to fifteen double faults, and she

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 1>had this little bit of a hitch on her second serve.

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>She didn't get a good kicker. She was hitting on

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the right side of the ball, kind of similar to Coco.

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>To be honest, and people that don't have that margin

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>under the ball hitting the kickserver are always going to

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 1>be under pressure, are going to hit a lot of

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>double faults, or they're going to have a shitty second serve.

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>And I remember thinking, oh my god, if she could

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>have got the serve and she would have won this match.

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know if it was a semi

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>or final in new Haven. And anyway, cut to this

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>strain and open. I'm doing her first match and we're

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>at our position for I was working for the seven Network.

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Then we are literally right behind the court on the court,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the best views in tennis. And I

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>remember her first serving. I was like, oh my god,

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>she's hitting a kickserf. Her ball toss was further behind

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.760
<v Speaker 1>her she was. It was all better, it was all correct,

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, there's margin.

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 3>This is good.

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>She's under pressure, she's going to make She's going to

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to make her second serves. So anyway, she

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of little, little scary moments in this match.

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that easy. Anyway, she wins in two sets.

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>She comes off the court. I see her in the

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>hallway and you know Lee and I you know had.

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.879
<v Speaker 1>We always had a pretty fun, good relationship. And I say, hey,

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, your serve, you're hitting kicksof now and

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 1>she's like, yeah, but I almost went back to my

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>old serf because she hadn't played a match, ye under pressure,

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 1>And this is on Rod Laver Arena. Everybody loves her there,

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows her. And as you said, it takes ninety days.

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>She had had not had ninety days. Yeah she probably had. Yeah,

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>she probably had thirty days. Yeah, she maybe had well,

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 1>probably at that stage about thirty days. And she said, yeah,

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I almost went back to my old serf. And I

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>literally looked at her and I go, no, I go,

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>do not go back to your old serf. Stay with this.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.399
<v Speaker 1>It is so much better, so much better. Sure enough,

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>she won this strown up in that year and a

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of coincidence, coincidence, I think not.

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 3>No, I've had credit with her German friend and the quarterfinals,

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 3>so she beat four and one without giving her any chance.

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes it was me, Yeah, you.

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Give her the confidence. She double faulted in the quarterfin.

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Played amazing. I went off the match and I said

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 3>and pressed, She's going to win the Ocean Open. Everyone laughed,

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 3>at me because she hadn't won a slam. She had

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 3>at the French she said, was sorry, I'm I misspoke.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 3>That was when she was up a set and a

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 3>break on Kim in the final. Yes, some Chinese person

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 3>yelled something at her. Do you remember this?

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't remember the exactly she.

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Would have won the Australia.

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And everyone was laughing at me because she was

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 3>never even close to winning a major tournament.

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Not the first time she won the French.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 1>We just established that.

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 3>And but that was I lost to her when she

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 3>lost in the final to Kim. So that was her

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 3>first final that.

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I need to leave, all right, you have to take

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>questions without me, Okay, I will edit out my leaving.

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Please you leave that in so people know why you left.

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, have to go judge a very important cookie competition, right,

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and I talk about the Australia. Maybe could they said,

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>calm hungry, I haven't eaten anything, so I don't have

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to cookies. Goodbye, I love you, thank you.

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Can you please turn your mic off so you don't interjecting.

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I trust you to answer reader questions about me.

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>We will, we will.

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>She's the commissioner. So now she had to I turned

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the mic off.

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so bye, Caitlin. You don't have to go out slowly.

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 1>We all know you're leaving goodbye anyway. Yeah, so that's

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget that. So it's possible to do it.

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It is. But it's funny. Is that moment that you

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 3>mentioned is interesting because if she had maybe lost that match,

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 3>chances are she will go back to the old thing

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 3>and maybe mess up her next the arrest of her year.

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 3>But she went through it, and.

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>At that point, it's not like she was like twenty

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. That's like she put in

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>not ten thousand hours, like fifty thousand hours at that

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:41.360
<v Speaker 1>point of hitting a tennis ball the way she was Anyway,

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:43.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's get We only have a couple of questions.

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I did put it out on Blue Sky, Jude Bye.

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 1>We did not put it on Twitter, where I have

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>more followers, but I'm trying to get people. Oh god,

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 1>she could have gone out a little bit more gently.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Usually I put it on Twitter because I have a

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>lot more followers, But we're trying to move away from

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>X because it's so toxic. One of the things was

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you can answer this question as well, how if at

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>all has the off season preseason changed through your time

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>in the tennis world. So for me, I started and

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that was from Munata.

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Hi, Munata.

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>So I came on tour.

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 3>When was his name, Larry.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Larry STEFANKI, No, Larry Curb, you're insa Larry Larry, Larry.

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Larry, No the wt A c e O, It'll

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 3>come to me. Larry Scott, Larry Scott, thank you. So

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 3>he had just come through with the WTA roadmap, do

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 3>you remember this? So he had taken off the calendar

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of tournaments. So when I started, the off

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 3>season was actually great. I think it was almost eight weeks.

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 3>We would have the WTA Final at the end of

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 3>October or maybe the latest in the first week of November.

0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 3>And obviously when I started on tour, I wasn't qualified

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 3>ay the WTA finals, so my season would end mid

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 3>of October. It was amazing enough time to get enough

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 3>rest and then start the pre season in enough time.

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 3>And then when I retired in the end of my

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>career in mid November. Yeah, it was later and later,

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 3>especially with Billy Jing king Cup moving then and I

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>always played Billy Jing king Cup moving to the second

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 3>week of November. I was done. Mid November, I was

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 3>over thirty. My body was not recovering as quickly anymore,

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 3>and my off season shrunk more and more. And in

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 3>the end, I think in my last year, I had

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe three weeks of actual good practice or nowhere I

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.960
<v Speaker 3>could practice without just you know, because when you're older,

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 3>every single little injury that you take with you, it

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 3>takes double the time to recover. So I could only

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 3>start a bit later with my off scene. So I

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 3>think that's the biggest difference that in the beginning, when

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I started, when I didn't need it because I was

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.399
<v Speaker 3>nineteen and I recovered in a day. I had enough

0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 3>time for everything. And in the end, especially with the

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Billy jan Kin Cup moving to so late, it was

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 3>tougher and tougher to get everything under which is why

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I might comment about having that be after that.

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>How was it for you a WTA finals after the

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Season's same same for me. I mean, I you know,

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to brag, but I made thirteen WTA finals,

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>so I was playing right until you know, I was

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 1>on tour for twenty two years, so for me, the

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 1>same thing. It was like WTA finals are getting later

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and later and later. Cup Billy Jean Kingcup hadn't. I

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't play that late. I think I'd retired by the

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.239
<v Speaker 1>time it started to move to that point because we

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 1>were playing home and away ties then, so you know,

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.919
<v Speaker 1>you were playing at home and away blah blah blah,

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and usually the last final or whatever it was after

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 1>the US Open. So yeah, absolutely, it's just gotten harder

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and harder and more and more shit on the calendar,

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and it needs to stop as far as I'm concerned. Anyway,

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that was one question. Another one was somebody asked me

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>any coaching talks for you, no name, no need to

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 1>name names. But I'm actually I will be helping out

0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Alan Perez in the little doubles stuff. I'm going to

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>help her out at the start of the year.

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.840
<v Speaker 3>So tell me, please, what is the motion picture that

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 3>has a similar Is it also Elan Perez?

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 1>No, that's Amelia Amelia Perez. Oh okay, that's the movie

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that Caitlin made.

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Me watch because I keep saying to everyone, I really

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 3>want to watch this movie. I want to know what

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.760
<v Speaker 3>people in tennis are like. There's a movie about Alan Perez.

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>You should watch it and let me know, okay, because

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Caitlin thinks it's the best movie of the year. Okay,

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. Okay. I wasn't really into the singing.

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>It's very unique. It's yes, it's a musical slash. It's interesting. Okay,

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's interesting, but not my super cup of tea.

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>But I what I would do is because but I

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do this in the movie theater. I would fast

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>forward through the like singing parts because I was like,

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not okay, but you're going into it knowing it's

0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 1>a music call music that I know. So I was

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>mentally prepared for that, whereas with this one, I was like,

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to see you know.

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the story is really interesting, you know the

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 1>story behind it, right the person there's a man who

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>is literally like a Mexican drug lord, and he transitions

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to a woman. Oh and he escapes out of this

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and then becomes actually a really good person. I'm paraphrasing

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>like crazy, So it's like the whole time. And then

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 1>there's this lawyer. She's a I can't remember her name.

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 1>If Kitlyn was here, she would know because she's quite attractive.

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 1>She's really Caitlyn's type. But Zoe Zoe Seldana, Yes, so

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.879
<v Speaker 1>I think it's always anyway. She plays a lawyer who

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 1>represents this this man who transitions into and it's yeah,

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. It's interesting. Like at the end, I was like, Okay,

0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't bad. I didn't think I was going to

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>get through it, but I managed, mainly because I needed

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Kitlyn. But I love that she's not

0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 1>here hearing me how much she's talking. It is interesting.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you would probably I don't know. I'm going

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 1>to tell you anything. You watch it and just let

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>me know, okay. Anyway, So yeah, so that is the question.

0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:09.480
<v Speaker 1>So I will be doing a little bit of work

0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:10.279
<v Speaker 1>with somebody.

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 3>With Ellen, with Ellen anything on the horizon.

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.360
<v Speaker 1>No, I told you. It's two years since working with Serena,

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:21.759
<v Speaker 1>and I've had two people now, one I will not name,

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>but was in the top ten, but they went with

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.160
<v Speaker 1>somebody else, and mainly because they didn't want me to

0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 1>be you know, I'm still working for ESPN, so it

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>is tough for people because they want you twenty four

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to seven. But also I do say, well, Darren Khle's

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 1>doing pretty well and he works for ESPN. And you know,

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Brad Gilbert did pretty well a couple of years ago

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.000
<v Speaker 1>with Coco when he was working for ESPN. So it

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is possible, But that is it I've had and then Ellen,

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, and now there's certain men that

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>just literally get a job every two weeks and they

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>get fired two weeks later. They hired again Sasha Bajans

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.440
<v Speaker 1>back in the picture with Donna VICKI like, you know,

0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like these people just boom, They're just like they're like

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:04.240
<v Speaker 1>they like hemorrhoids. They just come back anyway.

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 3>They who love this analogy.

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I love that analogy. Okay, so what about you? Would

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>you have a coach?

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. I mean, honestly, I'm not gonna

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 3>say no in maybe a few years, but you know,

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I kind of also retired to not have to travel

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 3>around the tennis schedule, and that's.

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>What you were working at more than I've ever seen

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:23.879
<v Speaker 1>you work.

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.800
<v Speaker 3>And also the thing is I think that what you

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 3>and I talked to Boris Becker about it for a

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 3>long time. When he started coaching Novak, he said five

0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 3>years before he couldn't have done it because you need

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 3>to let go of a certain type of ego that

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 3>helped you when you were a tennis player, not only

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.239
<v Speaker 3>helped you, but made you who you are as a

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 3>tennis player. We all know Boris had a huge ego

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 3>as a tennis player. And he said just five years earlier,

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.320
<v Speaker 3>had Novak asked him, he would have done it, but

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.319
<v Speaker 3>he would never have been good because because he can

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 3>getto had the ego of a tennis player. And then

0:55:56.640 --> 0:56:01.280
<v Speaker 3>when when he did start with Novak, he was much wiser,

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 3>much more mature. He didn't need the accolades of a

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.959
<v Speaker 3>tennis player anymore. He was ready to give himself into

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:08.439
<v Speaker 3>this in a different way.

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 1>So on that light, which we didn't talk about last week,

0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>what do you think about Andy Murray?

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what That's why we were talking about it. Actually,

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 3>that was it because I asked him. So that's the

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 3>only thing that I have. I think Andy could or

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 3>will be an incredible coach one day because if you

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 3>ever hear about well, that's what let me finish for

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 3>a second, because whenever you hear him talk about tennis

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 3>and tactics and strategy, he has an incredible tennis he guys,

0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 3>I talked to him. We had the same coach, a

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.080
<v Speaker 3>German guy. For a while. I talked to him about

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:43.080
<v Speaker 3>it and he had very potent to Andy, and I

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 3>asked him what did you like? What didn't you like?

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 3>And the way he talked about it, he had very

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 3>particular needs and desires and the work on the court,

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 3>which made me realize, oh, he also knows what he

0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 3>needs as a tennis player on the court, because some

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.200
<v Speaker 3>players are really good tactically but don't actually know what

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 3>to work on court. What should I do today, yes,

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 3>to achieve that tactical intelligence. But he had both, so

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.919
<v Speaker 3>I think the only thing that I and it comes

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.080
<v Speaker 3>back to Boris and that's what's the question I asked him,

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 3>was has Andy let go enough of the tennis player

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 3>persona to be there fully for Novak without having this

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 3>own thing in the way, Because I know how and

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I've just finally let go of I'm a tennis player.

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:29.439
<v Speaker 3>Now I say, I used to be a tennis player

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 3>work in TV. Now I'm a writer. But I used

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 3>to a year ago. I was already a year retired.

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 3>I would still sometimes blurret out I'm a tennis player

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 3>and then had to realize I'm not. You know, that's

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.439
<v Speaker 3>the only thing that is a question mark.

0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that Andy will be fine. Yeah. I don't

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 1>think the ego part of what will get in his

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>way at all. I think that he is so emotional,

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 1>like he's very high emotional intelligence. And I think that

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>he also understands Novak's crazy, because let's face it, Andy

0:57:57.960 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 1>was crazy as well. And I do think like me,

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>like for example, like I can understand somebody who's crazy,

0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and I can relate to them and I can empathize

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:06.800
<v Speaker 1>with them, but I can also help them because I'm like, look,

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't help you, know what I mean? And Andy

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.640
<v Speaker 1>knows that Andy knows. Look, no, Andy knows just like him,

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 1>he needs to release the tension. He needs to release

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the frustration. Like I remember, you know, very specifically during

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the during the Olympic final, him turning around, and I

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 1>always text you, I'm like, what did he say? What

0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>did he say? Because you speak his language clearly, And

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, and somebody wrote me on X and told

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>me what he said, because I said, please, somebody out

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>there who speaks Serbia and let me know what he said.

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 1>And he was Yet he yelled at his box. I've

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>been yelling at you for two hours, and you haven't

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 1>told me anything essentially, right, And I'm like, if he

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>says that to Andy, and he's going to be like, yeah,

0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel you, bro like because that's something I would

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>yell at. Yeah, but he also understands it's not personal.

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right. And I always say, as a as a coach,

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and I know what I was like as a player

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 1>as well, I don't take anything personally from you as

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 1>a player to me as a coach until you make

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it personal to me, right if you said something personally

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 1>against me, Like, what do you mean, Well, that's that.

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Kind of personal. I've been yelling at you and you

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 3>haven't been telling me anything. Well. Well, but in some

0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 3>ways they probably have been. He just hasn't had the

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 3>capacity to listen in that moment.

0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Either he wasn't listening or he couldn't take it in

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>or what they told him didn't work. So he's like

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>in his eyes, he's probably like, you haven't told me

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.440
<v Speaker 1>anything that's helping, yeah, right. I Like, for example, if

0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a really quick example, like Serena, I've

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>told you this story. How you know she had a

0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>really tough warm up before the second round of the

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>US Open. She came late because the traffic was really bad,

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and you you know, as it happens, you know, you

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 1>get an accident on the freeway coming out and it

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.200
<v Speaker 1>can take thirty minutes from the city or an hour,

0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, And it took longer than expected, and she

0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 1>rushed under the practice court, so she hadn't done her

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 1>proper stretching, and just she was it's very stressed, right,

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and of course she's very stressed. This

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:05.560
<v Speaker 1>is a big tournament for her, big match for her,

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 1>playing against contivate, who at the time was number two

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:11.280
<v Speaker 1>player in the world, which is crazy. And so she

1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:14.240
<v Speaker 1>was very stressed. And her hitting partner was having a

1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>bad day as well. He normally hits the ball perfectly

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:17.880
<v Speaker 1>for it, and he was having a better rough day

1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>as well because he was probably nervous to it. Yeah,

1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and he could probably feel the tension. And she hit

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.520
<v Speaker 1>one ball in the literally in the bottom of the

1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:28.280
<v Speaker 1>net on purpose, and I'm like standing there going, oh

1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:31.600
<v Speaker 1>my god, like this is okay. If I'm really coaching

1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and if I'm really going to make a difference here,

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I need to step in here. Because my old coach

1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:37.120
<v Speaker 1>used to say to me, because I used to get

1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the shits in practice as well as we all do,

1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.880
<v Speaker 1>especially when you're stressed. And he used to say to

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.640
<v Speaker 1>me grubs. He used to call me grubs Ray Ruffles.

1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:46.920
<v Speaker 1>He'd say, you can't win the match, but you're certainly

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.680
<v Speaker 1>helping yourself lose it. You know, you can't win the

1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 1>match in practice, but you're helping yourself lose it. And

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I never forgot that because it's so true, because I'm like, yeah,

1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really okay, yeah I'm stressed and all that

1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:58.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff, But do I really need to self sabotage?

1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.480
<v Speaker 1>And the really good of really good example of that

1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:07.640
<v Speaker 1>was on Zibur before she played the second to last

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>or the second Wimbledon final, when she lost to Vondrosova.

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.600
<v Speaker 1>She had the worst warm up I've ever seen because

1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we could see it in the no at Wimbledon. You

1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:19.520
<v Speaker 1>know how you have the TV's on you, you have

1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the in feed, right, So we had the camera on

1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.520
<v Speaker 1>center court while in our production meeting at ESPN, so

1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we could see her warming up. She came onto the

1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:30.360
<v Speaker 1>court in all black and started hitting, and after ten

1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.560
<v Speaker 1>minutes somebody from the club came out and said, you

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.320
<v Speaker 1>can't practice in black. Yeah, you have to at Wimbledon.

1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows you have to play in all white, even practice,

1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:42.840
<v Speaker 1>even the finalists, even on senate court. And so they

1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:44.120
<v Speaker 1>came out and told us. So she had to run

1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:47.480
<v Speaker 1>off the court get change, came back and her warm

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>up was terrible. She was missing balls. She was not

1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.640
<v Speaker 1>throwing her racket, because you can't do that Wimbledon because

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<v Speaker 1>you get in trouble. But she was just she had

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<v Speaker 1>the shits. She was It was such a bad warm

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<v Speaker 1>up and I was looking at it, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>all looking at it, and we're like, this is bad,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not good. And if I was coaching her

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, I would have literally walked into the

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<v Speaker 1>nat and said we're not hitting anymore, Like we're done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to feed you a couple of balls.

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<v Speaker 3>Was very windy.

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<v Speaker 1>Also that it was very windy, but not inside sena

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<v Speaker 1>cord and you're very protected inside Vandrosa. I saw coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a rangie where it was fifty mile an hour winds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and she went over to hit out there. So she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, ah, fuck it, and I'm gonna go hit it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I'm not changing because they said you

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<v Speaker 1>can hit on Sena court to her final, and she

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<v Speaker 1>chose to go to a range, which was classic because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the worst warm up, but she took it

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<v Speaker 1>in his stride. She was just like, whatever, I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>the final. I'm happy if I win, great if I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And whereas Arms had a lot of pressure on her

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders to win that tournament and she had the worst

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<v Speaker 1>warm up and that's where you as a coach. So

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<v Speaker 1>that moment with Serena, I'll never forget it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I got I gotta be a coach here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have it on film and I sent it

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<v Speaker 1>to her because we laugh about it now. And I

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<v Speaker 1>literally walked up to her and I stopped her hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the next ball out of her hand, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>in between her and the racket and the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>I just said to her, you one, you cannot win

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<v Speaker 1>this match. I just told her what Ray told me.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're helping yourself lose it. And she goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to get a good warm up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not moving and he's not hitting it in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible and she's just so stressed, right, And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but like you know, let's not destroy ourselves right now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you, and this is the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between great and good. She's she heard me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was so much better in that warm up. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the next time I talked to her about something on

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<v Speaker 1>her return, she looked me dead in the eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like she had given me the respect also say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's kind of shitty with you. Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>I snapped at you, and I shouldn't have, but I

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<v Speaker 1>knew right away that she heard me. Now, if she

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, listen, you're lesbian, back off, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm saying about you personal. Right If

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<v Speaker 1>she said listen, you're what do you You don't know anything?

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<v Speaker 1>She's attacking If you're attacking me, yeah, that's when, as

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<v Speaker 1>a coach or as a person, you go, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking off this court now, as opposed to getting

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<v Speaker 1>stressed because she's stressed. That's what I mean about I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take it personally until you make it personal. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the difference. And I think Andy Novak might say something

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<v Speaker 1>or snap, and Andy will be like water off a

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<v Speaker 1>duck's back. You'd be like, I get it, man, you're stressed. Out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good. Now if you turned around and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't beat me here at this strain open, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck do you know? That's making it personal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I mean by yeah. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that Andy will do a great job. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That we've answered that question. All right, So last question

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<v Speaker 1>and then we got to wrap this up. Someone said,

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<v Speaker 1>who's your favorite doubles player and who plays the most

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<v Speaker 1>like a classic style, good volley or etc. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>I said that last week, RANI. That was from Logan H. Spence.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the question. I think Sarah Ruani. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's not super classics, not like Servantvali, Lisa Raymond, Kara

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<v Speaker 1>Black me style. But she certainly tries to play doubles.

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<v Speaker 1>Doubles I think, you know, Aaron Ratliffe and Gabby Dobrowski try.

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<v Speaker 1>They who come into the net, they try and do

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<v Speaker 1>those sorts of things. I think send the Yakovos definitely

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<v Speaker 1>at the net as much as possible. But she pays

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<v Speaker 1>from the back, so you know Taylor Taylor Townsend sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>but she plays from the back. The only real I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Katie McNally, and hey, kudos to Katie she just

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<v Speaker 1>want to challenge her. She's coming back from a really

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<v Speaker 1>terrible elbow injury I think it was or I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the injury, but good to see her back. She

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<v Speaker 1>plays a very classic servants folly style. She was the

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<v Speaker 1>player that I saw player and I thought, oh, as

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<v Speaker 1>a like if I was still playing on tour, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a player that I would like to play with.

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<v Speaker 1>So Katie, nice to see you back, hopefully back inside

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<v Speaker 1>the top one hundred and singles. All soon, All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've wrapped it up for today. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have, so thanks for joining us, everybody straight hope.

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<v Speaker 3>It's getting closer and close, and I thought we would

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<v Speaker 3>have nothing to talk about because it's the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the season, but we somehow managed to blab her on.

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<v Speaker 1>We blab her on, so thanks and Caitlin left us early,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god. Anyway, all right, everyone, we'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 5>JeOS about back

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<v Speaker 1>Dict