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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Subs Tams podcast

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Speaker 1: in Renee Stubs this apartment once again with my with

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Speaker 1: my first ever guest to stay in this apartment, actually, Petkovic,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Yes, well you caught me, Petvich And of

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Speaker 1: course Katelyn Thompson, you have not slept here.

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Speaker 2: I have not slept here.

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Speaker 1: Even if even on a drunken night he managed to go.

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Speaker 2: Home exercise basically sleep here.

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Speaker 1: Your exercise bike is still there, it is, yes, do

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Speaker 1: you still use it something? Yes, I did once in

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Speaker 1: a while, once in a blue moon. I know we

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Speaker 1: both need to use it. Well, I've got to get

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Speaker 1: my legs in shape because I'm going skiing in a

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Speaker 1: couple of days and I know the first run I take,

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Speaker 1: my legs are going to be shaking like a mofo.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you can take a lesson with Yannick Sinner. But

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Speaker 3: just to bring back that moment when I slept up there,

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Speaker 3: which is like stairs.

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Speaker 1: I have a little letter. I call it a little

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Speaker 1: mezzanet area.

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Speaker 2: Okay, could you call it that a mezzanette. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a neologism to me, but I think it. But you

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Speaker 2: know how I like to make up words. It is

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Speaker 2: a it's like a yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Were sitting on boxes having pizza.

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Speaker 2: What happens up there now?

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Speaker 1: Nothing? Well, people sleep up there still when I have friends,

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Speaker 1: I have friends coming to stay. My friend Nicole brad

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Speaker 1: Key used to play on tour, and her husband Mark

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Speaker 1: and their son. The problem is three people, three people. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: they're staying down the parents are staying downstairs. I'm leaving.

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Speaker 1: When I go to Australia, they come here. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: how people come and visit me when I'm not here,

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Speaker 1: including my sister Cole. I don't know. They like to

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Speaker 1: have my apartment by themselves.

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Speaker 3: Did you see how bad the New York Giants played yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the Giants.

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Speaker 2: They're so bad that you come to New York. And

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Speaker 2: why don't you tell our listeners? For those who follow

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Speaker 2: you very closely through your various substack Instagram, various adventures,

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Speaker 2: you are basically a part time resident of New York.

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Speaker 2: You go to galleries, she shows, you go to plays.

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Speaker 2: But also you're a massive New York Giants fan.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have a choice.

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Speaker 3: Giants fan is maybe a stretch Giant fan. No, definitely not,

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Speaker 3: but my partner, Jesse. He's very clear about rooting for

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Speaker 3: the Giants, the Knicks, and the Mets, and nothing else

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Speaker 3: is allowed. So I guess by proximity, I am a

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Speaker 3: giant choice the Nicks and a Mets fan, and.

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Speaker 1: Well, you must be. He must have been out of

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Speaker 1: each I.

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Speaker 3: Was, so I told you that I was really sick.

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Speaker 3: I had a fever yesterday. I'm fine again, thank you

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Speaker 3: for asking. And I fell asleep yesterday at eight pm,

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Speaker 3: and around nine pm, Jesse starts screaming next to me.

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Speaker 3: I thought something happened. And the thing that happened was

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Speaker 3: that who got got a contract with.

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Speaker 1: The Mets years almost was it?

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Speaker 3: Almost seven eight hundred million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Can you effin imagine that we have talked about have

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Speaker 1: we not talked about this maybe in our regular life

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Speaker 1: or on the pod about how we think? You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone says about tennis players and the money they make,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen just recently that the highest paid top

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Speaker 1: ten female athletes in the world have been three or

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Speaker 1: I think four or five of them were tennis players.

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Speaker 2: Tennis keeps out of the ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like crazy, but a lot of that is

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Speaker 1: also prize money and I'm like, but you earn that

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Speaker 1: money like tennis players earn their money. They don't get

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Speaker 1: guaranteed fifteen year. I mean because if that happened in tennis,

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Speaker 1: Carlos Alkarazen Sina would be getting eight hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years because we know they're going to be

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Speaker 1: at the top of the game for at least a decade,

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Speaker 1: you know me, whereas one Soto could like have a

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Speaker 1: slump year or two or three and he's still getting paid.

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Speaker 1: What is it ten million? What is it a year?

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Speaker 1: Fifteen million? I can't work it out for me, Kaitlin

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Speaker 1: to fifteen million, it's fifty million year. It's like fifty

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Speaker 1: million a year. Can you fucking even imagine that?

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Speaker 2: I get that baseball players play a lot of days,

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Speaker 2: but I have to say, per like energy, burning, moment back,

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Speaker 2: Teams like you don't have to like you're not you know,

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Speaker 2: a tennis player is running almost every single minute of

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Speaker 2: the competition. A baseball player, you're up like every couple innings. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like maybe you make I think baseball is great and

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Speaker 2: I love baseball. I actually think It's one of the

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Speaker 3: Spoken like a true socialist.

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Speaker 2: I guess I have a socialist. My team, the Montreal

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Speaker 2: Expos was not there anymore I know.

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing is making up word Montreal. One

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Speaker 1: of the most famous at Montreal Expos moments is when

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Speaker 1: they stole it from the Cubs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was great. We had a great team and

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Speaker 2: had the baseball strike of nineteen ninety six not happened,

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Speaker 2: we might have won a World Series and then we

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Speaker 2: would have kept our team instead of having to sell

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Speaker 2: it to the Wash and franchise. Whs became the Nationals, which,

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Speaker 2: like anyway, I think thisbell is great, but if you

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Speaker 2: paid me one hundreds of millions of dollars, I'd play forever,

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Speaker 2: yeah for and not have to do that much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, I'm not kidding. I love this game,

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Speaker 1: but if you have a son having play baseball, I mean,

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Speaker 1: why would you put your son in football? Like CT

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Speaker 1: the physicality of that game. I was watching the Monday

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Speaker 1: team and they around. It was a great game, but

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Speaker 1: it's like every play someone was getting carted off the

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Speaker 1: field for something.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they should play football without helmets.

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Speaker 1: Yes, said I've said this a million times.

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Speaker 2: Will not do open field tackle helmet helmets.

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Speaker 1: I think what they should do is what they do

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Speaker 1: in rugby. If you want to wear helmet, you have

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Speaker 1: to you wear like a leathered you a helmet thing

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Speaker 1: around your head. And because I have said this forever,

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Speaker 1: if you go back to the old days of the NFL,

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Speaker 2: Also they didn't have a lot of teeth.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot of teeth. But it's like

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Speaker 1: for me, it's more it's like rugby. Then you start

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Speaker 1: to learn how to tackle without using your head right,

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Speaker 1: so you use your shoulder, you go to you can

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Speaker 1: have you seen a game of rugby? Those guys are

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Speaker 1: him with your head. Now, they've tried to take away spearing, right,

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Speaker 1: because you know that's but if you know that your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Noso. For me, what I like about football

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Speaker 2: is the athleticism of the running and catching. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: so much the and the throwing and the accuracy human beings.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, like I feel you know, I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I like to throw an a hypothetical. So for me,

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Speaker 2: I would watch football again if there were no helpmets.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a hypothetical I've been saying for years. I think,

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Speaker 1: I honestly think if they want to improve people's longevity, and.

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Speaker 2: They want to improve people's longevity, well, you know they.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it, and we've improved the helmets. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: just take the helmets away. You'd be dull and real

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Speaker 1: quick not to go in with their helmet with their

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Speaker 2: Anyway. I love that you're New York Transfer anyway.

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Speaker 1: Tennisis so you really yelled into the mic.

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Speaker 3: Then, oh, look at that.

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 3: I really tried to make a point about tennis. Yes,

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Speaker 3: sometimes I bring it too close. Yeah, I always think

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Speaker 3: people want stop trying to put.

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Speaker 1: That little mark in your mouth. All right, so let's

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Speaker 1: get to a little bit of tennis. Hi, everybody, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you joined us for a tennis talk and we

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Speaker 1: talked about everything.

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Speaker 3: But tennis talk starts at ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: I have a segue into tennis, which is speaking of

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Speaker 2: how much people get paid. There is wild speculation. First

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Speaker 2: of all, renee u M Seed an event here in

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Speaker 2: New York, the Garden Cup Cup. Oh yeah, Amminavarrogula yep.

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Speaker 2: Ben Shelton Alcarez.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by all accounts, wildly successful.

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Speaker 2: Well not all accounts was it wildly successful, But by

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Speaker 2: some accounts it was successful because there were a lot

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Speaker 1: Was I would say it was wildly successful in the

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Speaker 1: fact that Madison Square Garden was sold out. And I

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Speaker 1: and months ago, and you know I live in New York.

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Speaker 1: Did you see any advertising.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't market it at all, which was strange.

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Speaker 1: Well I can tell you why.

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Speaker 2: And there were still some seats available day for eight dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy that tennis was in MSU and we had

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So they sent out an email to all the USTA memberships, okay,

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Speaker 1: and they bought the tickets like crazy. So that's how

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Speaker 1: they sold out. Interesting, they didn't have to do any

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Speaker 1: advertising because tennis is so popular. And this is the

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Speaker 1: conversation I wanted to get to today, is that tennis

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Speaker 1: is so wildly popular in this country that you know

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Speaker 1: a million people reached out to get tickets to this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like in overall and so. And I have to say, like,

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Speaker 1: when I got there, I was working with Steve Weissman,

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, how'd they get a good crowd?

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Speaker 1: He goes, it's sold out? Like a what. So many

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Speaker 1: of my friends that live in the city who love

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Speaker 1: tennis were like, oh, I didn't even know this was

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Speaker 2: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They sold out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But is it a good thing that we had

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Speaker 2: a major event in the heart of New York City

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Speaker 2: and nobody knew about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You answered that question.

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Speaker 3: What you said on some accounts, what were their accounts?

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Speaker 2: They were friends. The friends they were there were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty low energy. These matches are not very good.

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Speaker 2: There's no music or energy to it, which is a

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Speaker 2: production issue, and that's a cost. It is a cost.

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Speaker 2: But also if you sell out a thing like give

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Speaker 2: people a night of entertainment, Like I'm not a huge

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Speaker 2: but I do think like, and truly my attitude about

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Speaker 2: on an event at MSG?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that was truly spent at least

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Speaker 3: But Sablenka will show up, she will look great in

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Speaker 3: You think Pegula doesn't have a bigger paycheck on her

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Speaker 3: I'll She is very very serious. I talked to her

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Speaker 2: I cannot say enough about how thankful I feel as

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Speaker 2: She translates, she's Miami, she's flashy, she's got the Omar

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Speaker 3: She has a lot of presents, so.

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Speaker 1: Well, Actually, part of I love, I actually love when

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Speaker 2: What is just like such a fun spectacle. I really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not all of them do, No, they don't,

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Speaker 3: But for example, that's why Jess and Saberlenka when they

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Speaker 1: The fact that he and then he played Charlotte. No,

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Speaker 1: I asked him his agent. So I'm like, apparently had

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Speaker 1: surely Bill Ackman was playing in the pro am. Of

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Speaker 1: course it was before the event. I mean I could

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Speaker 1: buy the fucking w TAO ATP finals and put it

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Speaker 1: on there every year himself.

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Speaker 2: Time better spent than him trying to get University of

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Speaker 2: Presidents fired for which hunts.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, him for supporting certain people for president.

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Speaker 3: Well, at this rate, the Italians will buy Madison Square

443
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Speaker 3: and then just put an event on by the Italian

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Speaker 3: Tennis Federation.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually get to that, because let's have it. But

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Speaker 1: just to finish, like the thread on this is that

447
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Speaker 1: you know you saw Charlotte also packed, also sold out.

448
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Speaker 1: We are missing more tenors in this country, in the US.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when I played in my day, we

450
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Speaker 1: had a number of tournaments here at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, indoors in Philadelphia, at Madison Square Garden in Chicago,

452
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Speaker 1: and we don't have those events. And god, I wish

453
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Speaker 1: we had more events because people are hankering for tennis

454
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Speaker 1: in this country exactly.

455
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Speaker 2: And I think what, I'm glad you mentioned that because

456
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Speaker 2: that was totally my takeaway, which is just like with

457
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Speaker 2: very little.

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Speaker 1: Much an email.

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Speaker 2: They send out emails like imagine what the USTA could

460
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Speaker 2: be doing on a regular basis if they have.

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Speaker 1: A utilizing their membership.

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Speaker 2: And I think, like, you know, we know that the

463
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Speaker 2: USTA is oversubscribed, we know that they probably sell too

464
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Speaker 2: many tickets, so that the thing now just feels like

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Speaker 2: it's a total us open us open. Yeah sorry, And

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Speaker 2: I think because of that, like, yeah, there's latent demand here,

467
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Speaker 2: so let's like spread the wealth throughout the I mean

468
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Speaker 2: Paris has two major events, like it has a Master's

469
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Speaker 2: one thousand, and it has a Slam. Like then that's

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Speaker 2: a city with less density and it gets sold out

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Speaker 2: every time, and it sold out every time, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that's great. Like I want to see like

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Speaker 2: sort of it's it's easy to use case studies to

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Speaker 2: sort of say like, Okay, well this makes the case

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Speaker 2: now for this, and I hope that happens. La, as

476
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Speaker 2: we've discussed many times, should also have a.

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Speaker 1: Tennis Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I was actually I was talking with Christy on about

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Speaker 2: this on Friday because she I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a real shame Chicago doesn't have a tournament because

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Speaker 2: Chicago's actually like a pretty big tennis study. And then

482
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Speaker 2: she was like, wait, but the Chicago tennis tournament itself,

483
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Speaker 2: and I was like, actually, yeah, I've talked about this.

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Speaker 2: She was like, you don't understand what the tournament in

485
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Speaker 2: Chicago was like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, as an example, so sometimes had nine am. I

487
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Speaker 3: haven't played at nine am since I was twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: That was my match, my main dro match, because their

489
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Speaker 3: lights weren't working, so they had to get in four

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Speaker 3: rounds of tennis.

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Speaker 2: She said, there was She said there was a curfect.

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Speaker 2: I know, we know, you know the owners and you

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Speaker 2: wanted to know. No, no, no, But just to illustrate

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Speaker 2: the point, she said, there was a curfew because also

495
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Speaker 2: it was like pretty rough around town and nobody came to.

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Speaker 1: There was in the south side of shit.

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Speaker 2: Everybody had to get bussed out of there by a

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Speaker 2: certain time, so that just by a.

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Speaker 3: Bus there wasn't running, and so you had to order

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Speaker 3: ubers and then give them the invoices that they never

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Speaker 3: paid for. That was one and then on the semi

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Speaker 3: final day because strangely enough, I want the doubles in

503
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Speaker 3: that one. Yes, yeah, no, no, I'm not cheating on

504
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Speaker 3: it with she won with a crutch by her side.

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Speaker 3: But on semifinals day, they didn't have catering. They didn't

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Speaker 3: have food because they said, oh, they told us nobody

507
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Speaker 3: was going to be here anymore, and then we had

508
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Speaker 3: to order Uber Eats again give them the invoice that

509
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Speaker 3: they never paid for. So I'm not sure Chicago really

510
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Speaker 3: needs time to shoot.

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Speaker 2: On a tournament. It's just to say it does take

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Speaker 2: a lot of planning.

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Speaker 1: It does take a lot of which is my point

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Speaker 1: in making with them. They didn't have a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: This was thrust upon them very quickly to have that tournament,

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Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, we can do it because they

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Speaker 1: have the facilities. And one of the things about having

518
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Speaker 1: a tennis storm is you have to have facilities. You

519
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Speaker 1: have got gotta have the call, you've got to have

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Speaker 1: the lights, you've got to have the freedom to have

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Speaker 1: the members say oh yeah, we can, okay give up

522
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Speaker 1: our you know, our club for a week. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that goes into it. You've got to have sponsorship,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have all that sort of stuff. You've

525
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Speaker 1: got to be able to pay for lunches, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be able to it's you've got to play for linesmen,

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Speaker 1: You've got to play for lines women, and you have

528
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Speaker 1: to you've got to put them up in hotels.

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Speaker 2: I like, you've got to advertise the tournament so that

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Speaker 2: people come, which is not nothing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this event sure had a built in email list

533
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Speaker 2: to create fandom, but like, not all of them do. Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious to see what happens with the Dallas Open,

535
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Speaker 2: which is now like kind of getting an upgrade. It's

536
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Speaker 2: a men's only event in late February, it's an indoor event.

537
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Speaker 2: Obviously they get the male stars. But the reason I

538
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Speaker 2: bring it up is because it exactly to your point,

539
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Speaker 2: was at a private, kind of provincial, nice but provincial

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Speaker 2: club in the middle of like the Dallas suburbs. And

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Speaker 2: now they're playing it at the practice stadium for the

542
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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, and it's going to feel real empty unless

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Speaker 2: they got a ton of people there, yeah, which maybe

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Speaker 2: they will and hopefully it's you know how much I

545
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Speaker 2: think it's kind similar to the Miami Open stadium where

546
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Speaker 2: they like.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, oh okay, that's going.

548
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Speaker 2: So it'll be it'll be interesting to see what happens.

549
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Speaker 2: But I like the idea like okay, cool, like we're

550
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Speaker 2: going to make a commitment, we're going to try to

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Speaker 2: have this venue for a couple of years, and they're

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Speaker 2: advertising it now so that.

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Speaker 1: They have you know, because the thing that I feel

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Speaker 1: that's a men's of anally, it's.

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Speaker 2: A mens of not only so you know, obviously plenty

556
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Speaker 2: to leave to be desired, but like the thing that

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Speaker 2: I feel like as a as a spectator is, yes,

558
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Speaker 2: I want this to be like good tennis, and I

559
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Speaker 2: want to feel like there's a thoughtful set up as

560
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Speaker 2: an experience, but also like I feel bad when the

561
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Speaker 2: players show up and there's nobody to watch that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's like that sucks like WTA finals

563
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Speaker 1: in Dallas, I mean in Fort Worth and nobody knew

564
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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't pick the venue until like ten days before.

566
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Speaker 2: I mean I'm sort of exaggerating, but like, yeah, like

567
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Speaker 2: the players deserve especially for like a finals event, like.

568
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Speaker 1: Well guess what in read they know it's still coming back.

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Speaker 3: Semi finals and finals was sold out. It's a small venue.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half I think were great, but the

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Speaker 3: semis and finals were at least sold out, So maybe

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Speaker 3: next year, you know, the it's not easy. I always

573
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Speaker 3: give slack. Is that how you say? I give slack

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Speaker 3: to first year events. That's why Madison Square Garden, the

575
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Speaker 3: Garden Cup, they called it breaking even in the first

576
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Speaker 3: year is an incredible success because usually it takes a

577
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Speaker 3: few years. I mean, just talk to Bob Moran, who

578
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Speaker 3: has done an incredible job with Charles Charleston. It just

579
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Speaker 3: takes years to embed yourself into the community and for

580
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Speaker 3: people to know this part time of year, the tennis

581
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Speaker 3: is in town. Like the Gossip Girl. Do you know

582
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: the Gossip Girl? It was like, why what do you

583
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: want to don't want to go out? Tennis players are

584
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: in town. That's like a line on Gossip Girl. And

585
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: that's the type that that's the thing that you want

586
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Speaker 3: to achieve with an event like this, that people of

587
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Speaker 3: the community are going like, tennis is in town.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do.

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Speaker 3: At least one day of it. I'm taking my family.

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Speaker 3: That's why tickets have to be affordable, at least some

591
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Speaker 3: of them. It's my credo some of them. You have

592
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Speaker 3: to be able to take your kids to tennis and

593
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Speaker 3: then for them to see the magic with their own

594
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Speaker 3: eyes and maybe pick up the record and become a

595
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Speaker 3: lifelong fan, and this is.

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Speaker 2: Why we need a Commissioner of Tennis.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and we have nominated you now, mamma, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a majority of us yes.

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Speaker 1: Yet on exactly you.

601
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Speaker 2: Can't oppose your own nomination against my will. I've decided

602
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Speaker 2: to accept.

603
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Speaker 3: Against my will, I've phenominated.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's classic anyway. I just think we need tennis

605
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Speaker 1: in this country more. But it also goes back to

606
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Speaker 1: the conversation we've been having through me thinking that after

607
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Speaker 1: the US Open, tennis needs to stop. The calendar tournaments

608
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: need to stop. As far as the WTAATP, I think

609
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Speaker 1: you need to have one twenty five to fifties for

610
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Speaker 1: players outside of so the top fifty, but everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to have some team events and

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Speaker 1: some exos and fun and make sure these players are

613
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: making our shit ton of money and but they're not

614
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Speaker 1: having the stress of like winning a tournament or playing

615
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Speaker 1: against people like from the US Open nine. I think

616
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Speaker 1: we have the United Cup. I think we have Hotman Cut,

617
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: we have Davis Cup and Billy Jean Kin Cup, and

618
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: you make everything a team event and make everything fun

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Speaker 1: for these players and you take maybe one player I

620
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: think we discussed this last week, but one player from

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Speaker 1: the top ten, one player from the top twenty, one

622
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Speaker 1: player from the top thirty, forty and fifty, right, and

623
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Speaker 1: you make a team of that. So it's kind of

624
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Speaker 1: like an NBAWNBA free agency, Like, okay, you get to

625
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Speaker 1: choose somebody in the top ten, you get to choose

626
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Speaker 1: somebody in the top five.

627
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: Is that like World Team Tennis?

628
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Kind of a little bit like World Team Tennis, and

629
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Speaker 1: you make a team out of it, and then you

630
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: can exchange them in and out singles and doubles and

631
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Speaker 1: mixed doubles, and you actually have teams a minute.

632
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Speaker 2: For the merchandise, the logos, I mean team handchicks.

633
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, China is putting a lot of tennis into

634
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: money at the end of the year, so guess what,

635
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: you have a true World Cup, right, So everyone from

636
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Speaker 1: every you know, one person from each top ten, top twenty,

637
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: top thirty has to be picked in a team.

638
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: I love it, and y could be a Parrot's team.

639
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: So everyone in the top fifty is taking care of

640
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: everyone's playing. If you're ranked one, you get x amount

641
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: of money too.

642
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: So pragmatically, what comes off the schedule.

643
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: Everything, so you kill all of that Asian tournaments and

644
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: everyone's like, well but Asian wants to put money, Yeah,

645
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: they can. You have a World Cup, you have a

646
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: true World Cup, then you have a you know, a

647
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: mixed event.

648
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: You have like, well, don't we take it out of Australia.

649
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: Of Madison Square Garden that was one of the sites

650
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Speaker 1: of a World Team Tennis, it was sold out every

651
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Speaker 1: single match.

652
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Speaker 2: I think any economist would like the I think the

653
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: World Cup idea is additive. I think anybody who's looking

654
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Speaker 2: at the tenness economics would say, you're insane to take

655
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Speaker 2: tennis out of Asia. We probably should take it out

656
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: of Australia because it's such a small market.

657
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: So I just say, I'm just saying, I'm talking about

658
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the year.

659
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about, but some thing's got

660
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: to give. And it's easy for you to be like

661
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: it's Asia, But it would also be easy for somebody

662
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: to be like January, it's not really summer for most

663
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: of the living hemispheres, but that's why it's down there.

664
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: It's summer.

665
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: But I just but I think you have to I

666
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: think you have to account for your own bias in this.

667
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: It's not a bias Australia. First of all, Australias the

668
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: amount of money. There's no bigger country in the world.

669
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: There's no country in the world that loves sports more.

670
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: That's the intangible, the amount.

671
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Of money that it makes for Victoria, for Australia, for

672
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: as an industry.

673
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: As a market, it is a tiny, tiny, tiny market.

674
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's in Asia. It's Australia. The tournament

675
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: is known as the Tournament of Australia.

676
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: White people.

677
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't think any Asian people are like, oh, yeah,

678
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: it's sponsored by Kia. Like half the sponsorships are Chinese.

679
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: Kias are a Korean company.

680
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, but but it's an Asian company.

681
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: My point is, I think if you were to be like,

682
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm these are the this is gonna be a your

683
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: feet now that you're the commissioner, I like, and you're like,

684
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm just going back. If you're the commissioner and you

685
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: have to kill a part of the tour and so

686
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: much money and so much new play and recreation and

687
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: equipment sales and momentum is coming out of Asia, what

688
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: do you do about that?

689
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 3: Well, then the World Cup first chances Commissioner to make

690
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: it the World Cup that Renee mentioned it had to

691
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: be it would have to be in Asia then, or

692
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: you would travel it around the world. I can't kill

693
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: that part or you have That's what I always said.

694
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: In order to protect I don't think it would be feasible,

695
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: but in order to protect protect players health, I just

696
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: don't think they would want to be away from home

697
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: so much is I think you should have all of January, February,

698
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit into March, be in Asia Pacific,

699
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: start at Australia.

700
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: Commissioner has moved, well, start start in Australia, starting in Australia,

701
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: Start in Australia, move to China, Asia, China, Japan, then

702
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: go to the Middle East and then go to the States.

703
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: So basically you're staying on the same timeline because what's

704
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: killing players on top of the long schedule is having

705
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: to fly back and forth from one from one time.

706
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: All well, the way it used to go back in

707
00:30:52,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: the new has arrived early on in my career, it

708
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: went Australia, Japan, indoors in the US right Chicago, Philadelphia,

709
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: that was the early part. So it was winter. It

710
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: was like April. Sorry, it was like February March, and

711
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: then it was Indian Wells and Miami. So you went Australia, Asia, US,

712
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: then you went to Europe for all the clay and Wimbledon,

713
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. And then you came back to the US

714
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: and then you either went back to Europe or you

715
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: stayed in the States. There were tournaments in both in

716
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Europe and in the States, and then we finished with

717
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden.

718
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: So we've done this before, but I would like to

719
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: crowdsource an ideal schedule. Somebody asked me and I was like,

720
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. Buenas like I just wasn't prepared.

721
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: You were just buased. You would you want to take

722
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: everything out of Australia and put it in South America.

723
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: The market is I don't want to punish Australia. My

724
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: beef is not with Australia. My beef is more just

725
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: like with the schedule. It's a weird time with the schedule.

726
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: And also it's not when do you propose having an

727
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Australia in winter? I don't, Yeah, that's your problem.

728
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I think actually like something that that

729
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: is part of a as long as it's part of

730
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: a tour. It just feels like such an outlier now.

731
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: And also like it's an outlier that people love, dude,

732
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: some people Australian people do. But because we have to

733
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: fucking get up at three in the morning to watch

734
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: any tennis event for the rest of the year, it's

735
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: about time y'all got up early and had to watch us.

736
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: But they don't.

737
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: And also a lot of the sponsors, yes, Kiah, sure,

738
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: but like a lot of the global sponsors don't consider

739
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Australia a big enough market to develop.

740
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: It, which a little Australia feels differently.

741
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: They making Australia has done a great job with a

742
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: with a with not a lot.

743
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: But also you talk about having destination ornaments and destination

744
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: events all the time, in Australia is truly a destination.

745
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: How many europe you know how many Europeans go down

746
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: to Australia for the Australian Open.

747
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: It's yeah, that's true. They always they connect it. Well

748
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: that's the thing that Americans. Yeah, they go like, oh,

749
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: we've never been to Australia, let's stay there for three

750
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: four weeks and Yesta and Open or United Cup, a

751
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: one part of that.

752
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, just to get back to I think

753
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: after the US Open, I think that's the time, you know,

754
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: you pet go bring up Okay, do we just have

755
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: it in Asia? I don't know. You can see, I think,

756
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: sign a five year contract and have a World Cup

757
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: and have all these different events in China where people

758
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: aren't moving around, where they actually getting a place to

759
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: stay in for a month, They're getting paid a lot

760
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: of money.

761
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: I think the reason she's Asia is whatever, because otherwise

762
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: where where do they fit.

763
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: On the schedule. Well, the reason I bring up having

764
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: it in Asia or China in particular is because obviously

765
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: they're willing to put a lot of money in and

766
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: to it's it's you're going to always guarantee a big

767
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: prize money check. Now are the fans gonna be there?

768
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean certainly they get great fans

769
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: in Beijing and Shanghai, in the big cities, and then

770
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe after four years or five years you have a

771
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: bidding war.

772
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: I actually think if we're gonna go double down on Asia,

773
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: having lived there, I think you go in like February

774
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: into it indoors when it's the lunar New York Festa.

775
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: But we're talking about having this World Cup. I get

776
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: it without the points.

777
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: You're you're so we're solving for different problems. My problem

778
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: is trying to shorten the season so the players don't

779
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: get injured so much and so they don't have to

780
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: like dread playing a single points meaningful tournament after all. Yeah,

781
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: I think it is your larger point. And for me,

782
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 2: the way to do that is to move You can't

783
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: kill Asia from the schedule, so move it to maybe

784
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: the like late winter, early spring.

785
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Well you could do what Picco saying. You go from

786
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: Australia to Asia and you move everything around at the

787
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: end of the year and then you take it at

788
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: the end of the year and you go to my

789
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: South America or But also you have to remember this,

790
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: the people that put this on after the US Open

791
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: to have a World Cup. That the thing I'm talking

792
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: about a lot of money. It has to be in

793
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: a place that can afford a lot of money. So

794
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: we're talking China, we're talking to it does have to

795
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: be Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia, Yeah, well maybe it is.

796
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where you have the World Cup and you literally,

797
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you're number one in the world and

798
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: you play in this, you're getting ten million dollars, you know,

799
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: or fifteen million dollars to come and play it.

800
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Listen. I will gladly do all the cooler merch and

801
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: marketing and storytelling for this.

802
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I had this conversation actually with Craig Tiley, you know,

803
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: because Craig's always trying to innovate at some stage with tennis,

804
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: and he's always trying to push the envelope a little bit.

805
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, after the US Open, like,

806
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: let's just nix all the points tournaments, keep the smaller

807
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: ones because for the people outside say the top fifty

808
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: or top seventy five, that they're able to play and

809
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: people are going to be like, well, they're gonna they're

810
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: gonna win, they're going to win points and they're going

811
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: to move up, and players inside the top fifty aren't

812
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: because they're not getting points. You work out a system

813
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: of maybe a bonus points schedule. If you win against

814
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: certain people, you get a certain amount. I just think

815
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity there to take away the pressure of playing.

816
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: And also, these players are playing these exhibitions when they've

817
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: been talking about how fucking tired they are. I'm like, well, no,

818
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: you're playing because you're getting paid a lot of money.

819
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: That's why for free, because it doesn't cost you anything.

820
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: If Carlos loses to Francis, who cares? He loses the band?

821
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: Who cares?

822
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: If he loses in a regular tournament, it's like, oh,

823
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: he's on a losing streak.

824
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: That's what we talked about last year, right, where tennis

825
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: is the only sport that kind of functions like a

826
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: little where every team functions like a little company. Tennis

827
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: player being the CEO has to hire his own people,

828
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: pay them, and then make sure he makes a profit

829
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: from what he's to pay for it. So when you

830
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: have an exhibition at pays two million, you can be like,

831
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: are my expenses for this year?

832
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Covert?

833
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: Now I can go buy myself a cryo cabin in

834
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: my house like Cristiano Ronaldo and sleep and minus ninety degrees.

835
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: That's no, that travels with doesn't he?

836
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: But right, that's what I think. That's what in tennis.

837
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: You don't have the security like who wants oo? Who knows?

838
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: For the next fifteen years, I'm set with seven hundred

839
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars.

840
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: I can make sure that is e Venezuelan. Oh my god,

841
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: he might so much money he buy the country he

842
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: came from. I mean, that's just crazy money.

843
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: But just you know he can, he can allocate a

844
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: certain number of that money that he's that he's going

845
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: to be paid. And Pullinovak Djokovic who always had that.

846
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: Heinz Or always had this like incredible vision of himself

847
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: when we were seventeen, he's my age. When we were seventeen,

848
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: he already was drinking green juices, already had a physio

849
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: with him, and he was paying that out of his

850
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: own pocket. He's from serving investing he did. Yeah, he

851
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 3: didn't have a federation that was backing him. It didn't

852
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: have big sponsorship money. He just had this vision of

853
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: himself becoming the goat, and he managed to do so.

854
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: But rarely do people ever have that. But somebody who

855
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 3: earns in the next ten years x amount can allocate

856
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: some of those funds into building themselves into the best

857
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: player that can be, and tennis players can't. And that's

858
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 3: why we see regularly on the tennis player side people

859
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: not fulfilling their potential because they have to decide make

860
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 3: decisions day to day when they lose. Like I always

861
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: give the example when I in my last year before

862
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: I retired, I wanted to make a big splash at

863
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: Indian Wells and Miami. So I traveled with three people

864
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 3: with a physio, with a fitness coach and my coach,

865
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: and I.

866
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: Spent You had an entourage.

867
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: I had an entourage, and I spent ten K because

868
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: we arrived ten days early to Indian Wells to adjust

869
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: to the time zone to adjus to the desert. I'd

870
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: never played well in Indian Wells because the ball flew,

871
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: so I like bought all these balls. I brought all

872
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: these people, and a day before Indian Wells, I tear

873
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: my doctor. Yeah that's right, I tore my doctor. I

874
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: had to pull out. And then they have this rule

875
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: that you can pull out of the tournament and you

876
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: get the first round price hockey right half of it.

877
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: So I got like four and a half thousand. So

878
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: I was already in the minors. So now I was

879
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: there having to decide do I try to get ready

880
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: for It was a small tear. Do I try to

881
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: get ready for Miami? Spend another fifteen K with all

882
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: these people? I made the decision, and I reinjured my

883
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 3: adopted three days before Miami had to pull out. Didn't

884
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: get any money there. I remember I was in a

885
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: minus of twenty five thousand.

886
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was okay.

887
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: I had a career of fifteen years behind.

888
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: I was reach already.

889
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: But but that's those are decisions. But those are decisions.

890
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: And I was in the fifteenth year of my career

891
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: and that was my last year. I could make this

892
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: splash and I had a decent career. But there are

893
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: plenty of plays. If I had been eighteen, who had

894
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: just been on a score for one year, they would fuck.

895
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: My next five years.

896
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't have paid for my coach, but the whole

897
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: entire rest of the season, And that's what tennis players

898
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: have to deal with every day. And so I think

899
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: you have to give them the opportunity to play a

900
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: few exhibitions to have saved money in the pocket, and

901
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: then they can, you know, pay for their teams, et cetera,

902
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: et cetera.

903
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Or we can socialize and have a union and create

904
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: labor negotiations with mutually agreed upon several roles and schedule.

905
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: Oh, it seems to me that I'm sitting here with

906
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: both commissioners. I'm just the uh, I'm the consigli. That's

907
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: all I wanted. All right, that's what you want to

908
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's finish this pod because we're going

909
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: to do a quick one.

910
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question? We have?

911
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: We have, we have questions, questions.

912
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Can I just ask a question A quick question? Yes,

913
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: for the lay person because you mentioned it Renee before,

914
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: and Andrea, I'm very curious because you have played so

915
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: recently and we're talking about physically optimizing. Carlos was spending

916
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: his off season doing exos and is now beginning his preseason.

917
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: We see all these photographs of players Dubai wherever, training Miami.

918
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do? You're trying to reset,

919
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: You're trying to get strong, You're trying to incorporate new things,

920
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: like what's the what's the ideal in your mind preseason

921
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: or like what's the best preseason you ever had?

922
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: And what are you doing? So for me, I'm interested

923
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: to hear what Renee's for me. It was roughly five

924
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: weeks and I would focus for the like of course,

925
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: first at least two weeks I think two weeks rest

926
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: after a season is too little. Actually, I later in

927
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: the year, I would try and take three four weeks

928
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: and it doesn't mean three weeks lying in bed not

929
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: doing anything, but three weeks without playing tennis and maybe

930
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: just focusing on regenerator recovering gender.

931
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: Getting the tennis back is not hard. It's a physicality, yes, exactly.

932
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: And the problem is you know when you go on vacation,

933
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: you have this dread in your breast because you know

934
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: every in your breast. Yeah, well every day I have

935
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: had a dread in my breast.

936
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: Well you have this probably better in German, but yeah,

937
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: but you haven't.

938
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: You have a dread inside of you because you know

939
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: German you have. There is no I just made this up,

940
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: but every I'm a riter. I was trying.

941
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: I was trying to give you in Serbian.

942
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. But every every day that you don't

943
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: work out will make you suffer more for first day

944
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 3: that you start workling out again.

945
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: So you have this you even when you're guilt, it's

946
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: just you know it's dread.

947
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it's dread in your breast post you're trying to recover.

948
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know I haven't down. Okay,

949
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: I'm yelling again. I'm sorry, Okay, So what I want

950
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: to say is, for me, the ideal thing is if

951
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: you could recover for three to four weeks ideally, which

952
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: is rarely of a possible. So let's say three weeks

953
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: and then two weeks you only work on your physicality.

954
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 3: You do four or five hours a day doing intervals,

955
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: doing getting back your endurance, getting back your strength, just

956
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: getting really strong. Then you start playing tennis. The first week,

957
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: how I would do it. I would just hit balls,

958
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: cross cords, the most boring ship you can. Yeah, you

959
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: go half an hour cross court, half an our cross court,

960
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: half an hour, then the small Then the next week

961
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: you would start to do moving on the court, a

962
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: lot of how do you call it, side side to

963
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: sides exactly, to across one line exactly, those things. And

964
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: then in the last two weeks, and that can already

965
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: be at the tournament side.

966
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: You start playing points. Yeah, you stop playing points, then

967
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: you stop playing sets, you stop playing.

968
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: It's a slow build, but it's intentional.

969
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: It's very intentional. It's it's intentional. The physol part of

970
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: it is intentional is that you know the same thing,

971
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: like the maximum I ever had off of doing nothing

972
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: was a week like because every day you're like, oh

973
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: my god, it's going to be hurting, and it hurts

974
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: so much in that first week, so you try and

975
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: sort of doing a little bit of physicality every day,

976
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: even if it's just a ten minute run or something

977
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: like that, just to keep your heart rate up. And

978
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: then the second week, you know, you would get back

979
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: into definitely working out, and then two weeks after that,

980
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, I would start hitting balls again. You don't

981
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: forget how to hit a ball, that's the thing. It's

982
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: just the thing that's hard is that you lose the

983
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: rust of playing points, you know. So the first couple

984
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: of games of every tournament, you know, on Brisbane or

985
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: wherever you start, Auckland, it's just like, well, you know,

986
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: because you people like, what do you mean you forget?

987
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: You kin'd of forget how to construct a point, you know,

988
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: because it just doesn't come as naturally. And then after

989
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: a week you're like, oh, I got it. But yeah,

990
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: so just a slow build and also you're working on

991
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: all of your weaknesses hopefully in the off season, you know.

992
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: And that's a little bit just to just as an

993
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: addendum there. If you have done big technical thing that

994
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: you have to fix, talking about maybe Cocoa Gov's forehand

995
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: or Cocoga second serf, whatever it is. Although they changed

996
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: her grip on the surf within middle of the season

997
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: and it worked perfectly well, good for her. But if

998
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: you have something like that, a bigger technical adjustment, I

999
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: think you will have to I had something that I

1000
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: did with my forehand. I started playing tennis earlier than

1001
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: I would have normally, so I didn't do only physical stuff.

1002
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: I would go out on court for an hour and

1003
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: just try to fix that technical thing, because it takes

1004
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: roughly ninety days before something is in the subconscious.

1005
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: This is why I asked a question, because I knew

1006
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: that there was some sort of formula.

1007
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I remember one of the best examples of

1008
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: that for me was Lee Nah when she won these

1009
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: Strain Open prior to that in I will never forget,

1010
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I was courtside for her match in New Haven and

1011
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: she probably hit twelve to fifteen double faults, and she

1012
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: had this little bit of a hitch on her second serve.

1013
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: She didn't get a good kicker. She was hitting on

1014
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: the right side of the ball, kind of similar to Coco.

1015
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: To be honest, and people that don't have that margin

1016
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: under the ball hitting the kickserver are always going to

1017
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: be under pressure, are going to hit a lot of

1018
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: double faults, or they're going to have a shitty second serve.

1019
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh my god, if she could

1020
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: have got the serve and she would have won this match.

1021
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if it was a semi

1022
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: or final in new Haven. And anyway, cut to this

1023
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: strain and open. I'm doing her first match and we're

1024
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: at our position for I was working for the seven Network.

1025
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Then we are literally right behind the court on the court,

1026
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: it's one of the best views in tennis. And I

1027
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: remember her first serving. I was like, oh my god,

1028
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: she's hitting a kickserf. Her ball toss was further behind

1029
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: her she was. It was all better, it was all correct,

1030
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, there's margin.

1031
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: This is good.

1032
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: She's under pressure, she's going to make She's going to

1033
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: be able to make her second serves. So anyway, she

1034
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: had a couple of little, little scary moments in this match.

1035
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't that easy. Anyway, she wins in two sets.

1036
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: She comes off the court. I see her in the

1037
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: hallway and you know Lee and I you know had.

1038
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: We always had a pretty fun, good relationship. And I say, hey,

1039
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: I was like, your serve, you're hitting kicksof now and

1040
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, but I almost went back to my

1041
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: old serf because she hadn't played a match, ye under pressure,

1042
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: And this is on Rod Laver Arena. Everybody loves her there,

1043
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: everyone knows her. And as you said, it takes ninety days.

1044
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: She had had not had ninety days. Yeah she probably had. Yeah,

1045
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: she probably had thirty days. Yeah, she maybe had well,

1046
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: probably at that stage about thirty days. And she said, yeah,

1047
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: I almost went back to my old serf. And I

1048
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: literally looked at her and I go, no, I go,

1049
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: do not go back to your old serf. Stay with this.

1050
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: It is so much better, so much better. Sure enough,

1051
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: she won this strown up in that year and a

1052
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: lot of coincidence, coincidence, I think not.

1053
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: No, I've had credit with her German friend and the quarterfinals,

1054
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: so she beat four and one without giving her any chance.

1055
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: Yes it was me, Yeah, you.

1056
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: Give her the confidence. She double faulted in the quarterfin.

1057
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: Played amazing. I went off the match and I said

1058
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: and pressed, She's going to win the Ocean Open. Everyone laughed,

1059
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: at me because she hadn't won a slam. She had

1060
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: at the French she said, was sorry, I'm I misspoke.

1061
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: That was when she was up a set and a

1062
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: break on Kim in the final. Yes, some Chinese person

1063
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: yelled something at her. Do you remember this?

1064
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember the exactly she.

1065
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: Would have won the Australia.

1066
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And everyone was laughing at me because she was

1067
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: never even close to winning a major tournament.

1068
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Not the first time she won the French.

1069
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: We just established that.

1070
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: And but that was I lost to her when she

1071
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: lost in the final to Kim. So that was her

1072
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: first final that.

1073
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: I need to leave, all right, you have to take

1074
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: questions without me, Okay, I will edit out my leaving.

1075
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: Please you leave that in so people know why you left.

1076
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: Well, have to go judge a very important cookie competition, right,

1077
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: and I talk about the Australia. Maybe could they said,

1078
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: calm hungry, I haven't eaten anything, so I don't have

1079
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: to cookies. Goodbye, I love you, thank you.

1080
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Can you please turn your mic off so you don't interjecting.

1081
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: I trust you to answer reader questions about me.

1082
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: We will, we will.

1083
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: She's the commissioner. So now she had to I turned

1084
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: the mic off.

1085
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so bye, Caitlin. You don't have to go out slowly.

1086
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: We all know you're leaving goodbye anyway. Yeah, so that's

1087
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. So it's possible to do it.

1088
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: It is. But it's funny. Is that moment that you

1089
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: mentioned is interesting because if she had maybe lost that match,

1090
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: chances are she will go back to the old thing

1091
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: and maybe mess up her next the arrest of her year.

1092
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: But she went through it, and.

1093
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: At that point, it's not like she was like twenty

1094
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's like she put in

1095
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: not ten thousand hours, like fifty thousand hours at that

1096
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: point of hitting a tennis ball the way she was Anyway,

1097
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: all right, let's get We only have a couple of questions.

1098
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I did put it out on Blue Sky, Jude Bye.

1099
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: We did not put it on Twitter, where I have

1100
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: more followers, but I'm trying to get people. Oh god,

1101
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: she could have gone out a little bit more gently.

1102
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: Usually I put it on Twitter because I have a

1103
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: lot more followers, But we're trying to move away from

1104
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: X because it's so toxic. One of the things was

1105
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: you can answer this question as well, how if at

1106
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: all has the off season preseason changed through your time

1107
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: in the tennis world. So for me, I started and

1108
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: that was from Munata.

1109
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: Hi, Munata.

1110
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: So I came on tour.

1111
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: When was his name, Larry.

1112
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Larry STEFANKI, No, Larry Curb, you're insa Larry Larry, Larry.

1113
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: Jerry Larry, No the wt A c e O, It'll

1114
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: come to me. Larry Scott, Larry Scott, thank you. So

1115
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: he had just come through with the WTA roadmap, do

1116
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: you remember this? So he had taken off the calendar

1117
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: a lot of tournaments. So when I started, the off

1118
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: season was actually great. I think it was almost eight weeks.

1119
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: We would have the WTA Final at the end of

1120
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: October or maybe the latest in the first week of November.

1121
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: And obviously when I started on tour, I wasn't qualified

1122
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: ay the WTA finals, so my season would end mid

1123
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: of October. It was amazing enough time to get enough

1124
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: rest and then start the pre season in enough time.

1125
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: And then when I retired in the end of my

1126
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: career in mid November. Yeah, it was later and later,

1127
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: especially with Billy Jing king Cup moving then and I

1128
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: always played Billy Jing king Cup moving to the second

1129
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: week of November. I was done. Mid November, I was

1130
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: over thirty. My body was not recovering as quickly anymore,

1131
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: and my off season shrunk more and more. And in

1132
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: the end, I think in my last year, I had

1133
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: maybe three weeks of actual good practice or nowhere I

1134
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: could practice without just you know, because when you're older,

1135
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: every single little injury that you take with you, it

1136
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: takes double the time to recover. So I could only

1137
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: start a bit later with my off scene. So I

1138
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: think that's the biggest difference that in the beginning, when

1139
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: I started, when I didn't need it because I was

1140
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: nineteen and I recovered in a day. I had enough

1141
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: time for everything. And in the end, especially with the

1142
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: Billy jan Kin Cup moving to so late, it was

1143
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: tougher and tougher to get everything under which is why

1144
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: I might comment about having that be after that.

1145
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: How was it for you a WTA finals after the

1146
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: Season's same same for me. I mean, I you know,

1147
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to brag, but I made thirteen WTA finals,

1148
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: so I was playing right until you know, I was

1149
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: on tour for twenty two years, so for me, the

1150
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: same thing. It was like WTA finals are getting later

1151
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: and later and later. Cup Billy Jean Kingcup hadn't. I

1152
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: didn't play that late. I think I'd retired by the

1153
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: time it started to move to that point because we

1154
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: were playing home and away ties then, so you know,

1155
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: you were playing at home and away blah blah blah,

1156
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: and usually the last final or whatever it was after

1157
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: the US Open. So yeah, absolutely, it's just gotten harder

1158
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: and harder and more and more shit on the calendar,

1159
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: and it needs to stop as far as I'm concerned. Anyway,

1160
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: that was one question. Another one was somebody asked me

1161
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: any coaching talks for you, no name, no need to

1162
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: name names. But I'm actually I will be helping out

1163
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Alan Perez in the little doubles stuff. I'm going to

1164
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: help her out at the start of the year.

1165
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: So tell me, please, what is the motion picture that

1166
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: has a similar Is it also Elan Perez?

1167
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: No, that's Amelia Amelia Perez. Oh okay, that's the movie

1168
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: that Caitlin made.

1169
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: Me watch because I keep saying to everyone, I really

1170
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: want to watch this movie. I want to know what

1171
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: people in tennis are like. There's a movie about Alan Perez.

1172
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: You should watch it and let me know, okay, because

1173
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Caitlin thinks it's the best movie of the year. Okay,

1174
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: I think it was. Okay. I wasn't really into the singing.

1175
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: It's very unique. It's yes, it's a musical slash. It's interesting. Okay,

1176
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, but not my super cup of tea.

1177
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: But I what I would do is because but I

1178
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: couldn't do this in the movie theater. I would fast

1179
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: forward through the like singing parts because I was like,

1180
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, but you're going into it knowing it's

1181
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: a music call music that I know. So I was

1182
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: mentally prepared for that, whereas with this one, I was like,

1183
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to see you know.

1184
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, the story is really interesting, you know the

1185
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: story behind it, right the person there's a man who

1186
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: is literally like a Mexican drug lord, and he transitions

1187
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: to a woman. Oh and he escapes out of this

1188
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: and then becomes actually a really good person. I'm paraphrasing

1189
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: like crazy, So it's like the whole time. And then

1190
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: there's this lawyer. She's a I can't remember her name.

1191
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: If Kitlyn was here, she would know because she's quite attractive.

1192
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: She's really Caitlyn's type. But Zoe Zoe Seldana, Yes, so

1193
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: I think it's always anyway. She plays a lawyer who

1194
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: represents this this man who transitions into and it's yeah,

1195
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's interesting. Like at the end, I was like, Okay,

1196
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't bad. I didn't think I was going to

1197
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: get through it, but I managed, mainly because I needed

1198
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: to talk to Kitlyn. But I love that she's not

1199
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: here hearing me how much she's talking. It is interesting.

1200
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: I think you would probably I don't know. I'm going

1201
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: to tell you anything. You watch it and just let

1202
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: me know, okay. Anyway, So yeah, so that is the question.

1203
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: So I will be doing a little bit of work

1204
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: with somebody.

1205
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: With Ellen, with Ellen anything on the horizon.

1206
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: No, I told you. It's two years since working with Serena,

1207
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: and I've had two people now, one I will not name,

1208
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: but was in the top ten, but they went with

1209
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: somebody else, and mainly because they didn't want me to

1210
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: be you know, I'm still working for ESPN, so it

1211
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: is tough for people because they want you twenty four

1212
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: to seven. But also I do say, well, Darren Khle's

1213
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: doing pretty well and he works for ESPN. And you know,

1214
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Brad Gilbert did pretty well a couple of years ago

1215
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: with Coco when he was working for ESPN. So it

1216
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: is possible, But that is it I've had and then Ellen,

1217
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: it's just you know, and now there's certain men that

1218
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: just literally get a job every two weeks and they

1219
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: get fired two weeks later. They hired again Sasha Bajans

1220
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: back in the picture with Donna VICKI like, you know,

1221
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: like these people just boom, They're just like they're like

1222
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: they like hemorrhoids. They just come back anyway.

1223
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: They who love this analogy.

1224
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: I love that analogy. Okay, so what about you? Would

1225
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: you have a coach?

1226
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, honestly, I'm not gonna

1227
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: say no in maybe a few years, but you know,

1228
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: I kind of also retired to not have to travel

1229
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: around the tennis schedule, and that's.

1230
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: What you were working at more than I've ever seen

1231
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: you work.

1232
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 3: And also the thing is I think that what you

1233
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: and I talked to Boris Becker about it for a

1234
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: long time. When he started coaching Novak, he said five

1235
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: years before he couldn't have done it because you need

1236
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: to let go of a certain type of ego that

1237
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: helped you when you were a tennis player, not only

1238
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: helped you, but made you who you are as a

1239
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: tennis player. We all know Boris had a huge ego

1240
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: as a tennis player. And he said just five years earlier,

1241
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: had Novak asked him, he would have done it, but

1242
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: he would never have been good because because he can

1243
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: getto had the ego of a tennis player. And then

1244
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: when when he did start with Novak, he was much wiser,

1245
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: much more mature. He didn't need the accolades of a

1246
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 3: tennis player anymore. He was ready to give himself into

1247
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 3: this in a different way.

1248
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: So on that light, which we didn't talk about last week,

1249
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: what do you think about Andy Murray?

1250
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: Well, that's what That's why we were talking about it. Actually,

1251
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: that was it because I asked him. So that's the

1252
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: only thing that I have. I think Andy could or

1253
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: will be an incredible coach one day because if you

1254
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: ever hear about well, that's what let me finish for

1255
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: a second, because whenever you hear him talk about tennis

1256
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 3: and tactics and strategy, he has an incredible tennis he guys,

1257
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: I talked to him. We had the same coach, a

1258
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: German guy. For a while. I talked to him about

1259
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: it and he had very potent to Andy, and I

1260
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: asked him what did you like? What didn't you like?

1261
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: And the way he talked about it, he had very

1262
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: particular needs and desires and the work on the court,

1263
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: which made me realize, oh, he also knows what he

1264
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: needs as a tennis player on the court, because some

1265
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: players are really good tactically but don't actually know what

1266
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: to work on court. What should I do today, yes,

1267
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: to achieve that tactical intelligence. But he had both, so

1268
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that I and it comes

1269
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: back to Boris and that's what's the question I asked him,

1270
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: was has Andy let go enough of the tennis player

1271
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: persona to be there fully for Novak without having this

1272
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: own thing in the way, Because I know how and

1273
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: I've just finally let go of I'm a tennis player.

1274
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 3: Now I say, I used to be a tennis player

1275
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: work in TV. Now I'm a writer. But I used

1276
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: to a year ago. I was already a year retired.

1277
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: I would still sometimes blurret out I'm a tennis player

1278
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: and then had to realize I'm not. You know, that's

1279
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 3: the only thing that is a question mark.

1280
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that Andy will be fine. Yeah. I don't

1281
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: think the ego part of what will get in his

1282
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: way at all. I think that he is so emotional,

1283
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: like he's very high emotional intelligence. And I think that

1284
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: he also understands Novak's crazy, because let's face it, Andy

1285
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: was crazy as well. And I do think like me,

1286
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: like for example, like I can understand somebody who's crazy,

1287
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: and I can relate to them and I can empathize

1288
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: with them, but I can also help them because I'm like, look,

1289
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't help you, know what I mean? And Andy

1290
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: knows that Andy knows. Look, no, Andy knows just like him,

1291
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: he needs to release the tension. He needs to release

1292
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: the frustration. Like I remember, you know, very specifically during

1293
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: the during the Olympic final, him turning around, and I

1294
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: always text you, I'm like, what did he say? What

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: did he say? Because you speak his language clearly, And

1296
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: I said, and somebody wrote me on X and told

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00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: me what he said, because I said, please, somebody out

1298
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: there who speaks Serbia and let me know what he said.

1299
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: And he was Yet he yelled at his box. I've

1300
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: been yelling at you for two hours, and you haven't

1301
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: told me anything essentially, right, And I'm like, if he

1302
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: says that to Andy, and he's going to be like, yeah,

1303
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I feel you, bro like because that's something I would

1304
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: yell at. Yeah, but he also understands it's not personal.

1305
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah right. And I always say, as a as a coach,

1306
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: and I know what I was like as a player

1307
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: as well, I don't take anything personally from you as

1308
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: a player to me as a coach until you make

1309
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: it personal to me, right if you said something personally

1310
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: against me, Like, what do you mean, Well, that's that.

1311
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: Kind of personal. I've been yelling at you and you

1312
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: haven't been telling me anything. Well. Well, but in some

1313
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: ways they probably have been. He just hasn't had the

1314
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: capacity to listen in that moment.

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00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: Either he wasn't listening or he couldn't take it in

1316
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: or what they told him didn't work. So he's like

1317
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: in his eyes, he's probably like, you haven't told me

1318
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: anything that's helping, yeah, right. I Like, for example, if

1319
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you a really quick example, like Serena, I've

1320
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: told you this story. How you know she had a

1321
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: really tough warm up before the second round of the

1322
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: US Open. She came late because the traffic was really bad,

1323
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: and you you know, as it happens, you know, you

1324
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: get an accident on the freeway coming out and it

1325
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: can take thirty minutes from the city or an hour,

1326
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, And it took longer than expected, and she

1327
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: rushed under the practice court, so she hadn't done her

1328
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: proper stretching, and just she was it's very stressed, right,

1329
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: and you know, and of course she's very stressed. This

1330
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: is a big tournament for her, big match for her,

1331
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: playing against contivate, who at the time was number two

1332
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: player in the world, which is crazy. And so she

1333
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: was very stressed. And her hitting partner was having a

1334
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: bad day as well. He normally hits the ball perfectly

1335
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: for it, and he was having a better rough day

1336
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: as well because he was probably nervous to it. Yeah,

1337
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: and he could probably feel the tension. And she hit

1338
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: one ball in the literally in the bottom of the

1339
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: net on purpose, and I'm like standing there going, oh

1340
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: my god, like this is okay. If I'm really coaching

1341
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: and if I'm really going to make a difference here,

1342
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: I need to step in here. Because my old coach

1343
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: used to say to me, because I used to get

1344
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: the shits in practice as well as we all do,

1345
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: especially when you're stressed. And he used to say to

1346
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: me grubs. He used to call me grubs Ray Ruffles.

1347
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: He'd say, you can't win the match, but you're certainly

1348
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: helping yourself lose it. You know, you can't win the

1349
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: match in practice, but you're helping yourself lose it. And

1350
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: I never forgot that because it's so true, because I'm like, yeah,

1351
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really okay, yeah I'm stressed and all that

1352
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, But do I really need to self sabotage?

1353
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: And the really good of really good example of that

1354
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: was on Zibur before she played the second to last

1355
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: or the second Wimbledon final, when she lost to Vondrosova.

1356
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: She had the worst warm up I've ever seen because

1357
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: we could see it in the no at Wimbledon. You

1358
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: know how you have the TV's on you, you have

1359
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: the in feed, right, So we had the camera on

1360
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: center court while in our production meeting at ESPN, so

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01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: we could see her warming up. She came onto the

1362
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: court in all black and started hitting, and after ten

1363
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: minutes somebody from the club came out and said, you

1364
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: can't practice in black. Yeah, you have to at Wimbledon.

1365
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: Everybody knows you have to play in all white, even practice,

1366
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: even the finalists, even on senate court. And so they

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01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: came out and told us. So she had to run

1368
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: off the court get change, came back and her warm

1369
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: up was terrible. She was missing balls. She was not

1370
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: throwing her racket, because you can't do that Wimbledon because

1371
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: you get in trouble. But she was just she had

1372
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: the shits. She was It was such a bad warm

1373
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: up and I was looking at it, and we were

1374
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: all looking at it, and we're like, this is bad,

1375
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: this is not good. And if I was coaching her

1376
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: at that point, I would have literally walked into the

1377
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: nat and said we're not hitting anymore, Like we're done.

1378
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to feed you a couple of balls.

1379
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 3: Was very windy.

1380
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: Also that it was very windy, but not inside sena

1381
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 1: cord and you're very protected inside Vandrosa. I saw coming

1382
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: from a rangie where it was fifty mile an hour winds. Yeah,

1383
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: and she went over to hit out there. So she

1384
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: was like, ah, fuck it, and I'm gonna go hit it.

1385
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm not changing because they said you

1386
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: can hit on Sena court to her final, and she

1387
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: chose to go to a range, which was classic because

1388
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: it was the worst warm up, but she took it

1389
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: in his stride. She was just like, whatever, I'm in

1390
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 1: the final. I'm happy if I win, great if I don't.

1391
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1392
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: And whereas Arms had a lot of pressure on her

1393
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: shoulders to win that tournament and she had the worst

1394
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: warm up and that's where you as a coach. So

1395
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: that moment with Serena, I'll never forget it. I was like,

1396
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: all right, I got I gotta be a coach here,

1397
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: and I have it on film and I sent it

1398
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: to her because we laugh about it now. And I

1399
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: literally walked up to her and I stopped her hitting

1400
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: the next ball out of her hand, and I got

1401
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: in between her and the racket and the ball and

1402
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: I just said to her, you one, you cannot win

1403
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: this match. I just told her what Ray told me.

1404
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: But you're helping yourself lose it. And she goes, yeah,

1405
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get a good warm up and

1406
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: he's not moving and he's not hitting it in the

1407
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: Bible and she's just so stressed, right, And I was like, okay,

1408
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: but like you know, let's not destroy ourselves right now, right,

1409
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: And I can tell you, and this is the difference

1410
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: between great and good. She's she heard me, and she

1411
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: was so much better in that warm up. And then

1412
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: the next time I talked to her about something on

1413
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: her return, she looked me dead in the eyes and

1414
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: it was like she had given me the respect also say,

1415
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of shitty with you. Back then,

1416
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: I snapped at you, and I shouldn't have, but I

1417
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: knew right away that she heard me. Now, if she

1418
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: said to me, listen, you're lesbian, back off, you know,

1419
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying about you personal. Right If

1420
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: she said listen, you're what do you You don't know anything?

1421
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: She's attacking If you're attacking me, yeah, that's when, as

1422
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: a coach or as a person, you go, yeah, I'm

1423
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm walking off this court now, as opposed to getting

1424
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: stressed because she's stressed. That's what I mean about I

1425
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: don't take it personally until you make it personal. That's

1426
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: the difference. And I think Andy Novak might say something

1427
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: or snap, and Andy will be like water off a

1428
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: duck's back. You'd be like, I get it, man, you're stressed. Out.

1429
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: It's good. Now if you turned around and said, oh,

1430
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: you didn't beat me here at this strain open, what

1431
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: the fuck do you know? That's making it personal, right,

1432
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean by yeah. So I think

1433
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: that Andy will do a great job. So there you go.

1434
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 1: That we've answered that question. All right, So last question

1435
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: and then we got to wrap this up. Someone said,

1436
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: who's your favorite doubles player and who plays the most

1437
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: like a classic style, good volley or etc. You said,

1438
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: I said that last week, RANI. That was from Logan H. Spence.

1439
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for the question. I think Sarah Ruani. I mean

1440
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: it's not super classics, not like Servantvali, Lisa Raymond, Kara

1441
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: Black me style. But she certainly tries to play doubles.

1442
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Doubles I think, you know, Aaron Ratliffe and Gabby Dobrowski try.

1443
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: They who come into the net, they try and do

1444
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. I think send the Yakovos definitely

1445
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: at the net as much as possible. But she pays

1446
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: from the back, so you know Taylor Taylor Townsend sort of,

1447
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: but she plays from the back. The only real I

1448
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: mean Katie McNally, and hey, kudos to Katie she just

1449
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: want to challenge her. She's coming back from a really

1450
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: terrible elbow injury I think it was or I can't

1451
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: remember the injury, but good to see her back. She

1452
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: plays a very classic servants folly style. She was the

1453
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: player that I saw player and I thought, oh, as

1454
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: a like if I was still playing on tour, that

1455
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: would be a player that I would like to play with.

1456
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 1: So Katie, nice to see you back, hopefully back inside

1457
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: the top one hundred and singles. All soon, All right, well,

1458
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: I think we've wrapped it up for today. I think

1459
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: we have, so thanks for joining us, everybody straight hope.

1460
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 3: It's getting closer and close, and I thought we would

1461
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: have nothing to talk about because it's the end of

1462
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 3: the season, but we somehow managed to blab her on.

1463
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: We blab her on, so thanks and Caitlin left us early,

1464
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: thank god. Anyway, all right, everyone, we'll see you next week.

1465
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today.

1466
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 5: JeOS about back

1467
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: Dict