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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Noria with you. mL. Bearman Aldoorsman Desert enthusiast. He's the

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Speaker 1: author and host of the Mojave Mysteries That's a book

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Speaker 1: in video series, as well as the writer behind the

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Speaker 1: acclaimed Western horror series of novels featuring Moss, monster Hunter,

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Speaker 1: and cowboy character Jay Everett Earl often were referred to

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Speaker 1: as the rod Serline of the Desert. His books and

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Speaker 1: video series detailed the strange, bazaar and paranormal aspects of

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Speaker 1: the vast Mohave Desert. They've thrilled and captivated audiences all

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Speaker 1: over the planet. mL, welcome back to the program. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I'm glad to be here. How did you

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Speaker 1: get so interested in the Mojave Desert and uncovered these

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Speaker 1: incredible stories? Well, I had always I grew up in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, so you know, I was coming from a

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Speaker 1: totally different geographic area when I moved to the West

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Speaker 1: Coast and I went to the desert just on vacation

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Speaker 1: or to visit, and I fell in love with it.

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Speaker 1: I decided to move there. And once I moved here,

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Speaker 1: I started meeting local people, and always being a history

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Speaker 1: I started hearing things from people that we're very intriguing.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, once you spend enough time by

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Speaker 1: yourself out in the desert, you start to encounter things

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Speaker 1: of your own, which add to the equation. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just came from living in the area, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden I realized what a rich history this

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Speaker 1: place had beyond the classic history of miners, Native Americans,

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Speaker 1: and military tech. I was talking about the general geographic area.

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Speaker 1: Is it a wide area, however, Yeah, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: lot bigger than people think. And what people don't realize

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Speaker 1: most people's experience of the desert is driving through it

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Speaker 1: right as quickly as you can, right right, and it

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Speaker 1: tends to be on the peripheral edge of the desert,

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Speaker 1: you know, So you drive through and you look off

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Speaker 1: into the vast countryside, you know, and see what the

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Speaker 1: hell goes on out there. Well, that's what I love,

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Speaker 1: is going out there into the center part of the

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Speaker 1: Mojave and exploring because it's a totally different world. There's

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Speaker 1: almost like there's two different families of phenomena on you encounter.

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Speaker 1: There's things that people encounter on the road. I caught

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Speaker 1: that what I saw on the road, you know, syndrome,

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Speaker 1: what people see when they're driving or when they stop

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Speaker 1: a lot different and a lot more strange. Does law

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Speaker 1: going to talk about tonight. Yes. I had one sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Now that's obviously like bit dramatic, but if you study

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Speaker 1: the history of it, you will see that. Going back

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Speaker 1: even into frontier times, there were just stories all the

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Speaker 1: time in the papers about people disappearing in the desert,

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Speaker 1: or bodies found or parts of bodies found, and the

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Speaker 1: area is so big that the police or the sheriffs

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Speaker 1: at one point the San Bernardino Corner's office was backed

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Speaker 1: up almost a year and a half. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: nmls are still the indigenous Mojave people in that region.

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Speaker 1: There are you know, a lot of that was swept

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some various aspects of the unusual. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with UFOs. How long is the history of that

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Speaker 1: goes back all the way to the very first white

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Speaker 1: what they would call mysterious aerial visitors or airships, and

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Speaker 1: In the early days, they were considered airships and the

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Speaker 1: What was you know, Venusians taking people up and flying

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Speaker 1: Now I found an actual redacted Air Force report on

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Speaker 1: And today, you know, the debunkers want to say, well,

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Speaker 1: Two things, One the remoteness and the harshness of the terring.

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Speaker 1: that way, the Death Valley. Werewolf. What have we uncovered here? Well,

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Speaker 1: And then someone else a little farther south had reported

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Speaker 1: The people that see it say it it shares characteristics

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Speaker 1: He was hunting in the Mohave Preserve, which is three

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