1 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to the second and final pard of Unexplained, 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Season nine, episode fifteen, Red Dust. A haze of smoke 3 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: filled the harshly lit air of the interrogation room. Harold 4 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Pinfold sat alone as he chained smoked one three, five 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: after another. He fidgeted with the packet. He picked at 6 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: a scab on his arm. He bit at his nails. 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: The man was clearly nervous and quite possibly in the 8 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: early stages of opium withdrawn. Nineteen year old Pamela Werner 9 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: had been dead for over a week, and Pinfold was 10 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: the first real suspect Inspectors Hans shir Cheung and Richard 11 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Dennis had had to work with. Having made little progress 12 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: up till then Inspector Hahn's sweep of Beijing's infamous den 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: of iniquity, the ominous bad Land Zone, had finally borne fruit. 14 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: During door to door inquiries. A Russian landlady, clearly rattled 15 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: by the discovery of Pamela's body, wasted little time in 16 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: informing the attending officer that she just recently found a 17 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: blood stained dagger, shoes and cloth in the room of 18 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: a tenant of hers. The man was on further investigation 19 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: revealed to be a Canadian called Harold Pinfld. Pinfold was 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: a deserter from the Canadian Army who'd acquired a criminal 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: record in the United States before fleeing to China, where 22 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: he scratched a living working various low paid jobs. He 23 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: was quickly apprehended and taken into custody for questioning. One 24 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: officer at the Beijing police station recognized him immediately as 25 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: one of the rubberneckers that he'd seen at the crime 26 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: stone see the day they found the body. For hours, 27 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Pinfold refused to answer Inspectors Hahn and Dennis's questions what 28 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: was he doing at the crime scene? They asked what 29 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: did number twenty seven on a street in the bad 30 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Lands named chan Ban mean to him? The place was 31 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: a known brothel, they'd found a business card for it 32 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: among Pinfold's possessions, and what was the newdest retreat. Harold 33 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: Pinfold feigned ignorance of it all, but they'd already spoken 34 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: to Joseph Nuf, the manager of Number twenty seven. It 35 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: was Nuf who told them that Pinfold was a regular 36 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: customer at the brothel and at the establishment next door 37 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: to number twenty eight, and it was Nouf who told 38 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: them that Pinfold had a side hustle working as a 39 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: security guard for what he described as a newdest retreat. 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Nuf claimed not to know too much about it, only 41 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: that it took place in the Western Hills, a secluded 42 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: area of wooded mountainous terrain on the western side of 43 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: the city. Eventually, under sustained questioning and probably when he'd 44 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: run out of cigarettes, Pinfold finally dropped his guard Harold 45 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Pinfld admitted to having worked security once or twice at 46 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: the so called nudest retreats, and that on occasions he'd 47 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: even been paid to recruit women to dance naked for 48 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: the attendees there. Inspectors Hahn and Dennis had good reason 49 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to suspect that these women were recruited for a little 50 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: more than just dancing. Was Pamela one of these dancers, 51 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: they asked. Pinfald said he couldn't tell them because he'd 52 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: never heard of Pamela before her body was found. He 53 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: also claimed that he'd only been at the crime scene 54 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: because he happened to be passing the area at the 55 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: time and was just curious to know what was going on, 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: And as for the blood on his possessions, it wasn't human, 57 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: he told them, so they needn't concern themselves with that either. 58 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: According to Pinfald, he sometimes went hunting in the woods 59 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: whenever he worked at the Newdest Retreat. The blood, he said, 60 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: was from his latest kill. Inspectors Hahn and Denis wanted 61 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: to know more about these newdest Retreats, as Pinfald and 62 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Nouf called them, but Pinfald refused to be drawn any 63 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: further into it, other than to say if they really 64 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: wanted to know what went on there, they should speak 65 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: to Wentworth Prentice. Pinfald had apparently met him at the 66 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: brothel next door to twenty seven number twenty eight twan Ban, 67 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: but declined to say any more. As it happened, the 68 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: pathology report on the bloody knife seemed to confirm Pinfold's story, 69 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: and the man was released. They should have known that 70 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: he would go to round immediately, but it didn't matter. 71 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: By then they had everything they needed. Wentworth Apprentice was 72 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: a debonair, mustachioed American dentist whose patients were mostly wealthy 73 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: expats and diplomats. Although on first impressions he seemed to 74 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: be entirely respectable. A little digging revealed something darker lurking 75 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: underneath the facade. He first came to China with his 76 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: wife in nineteen seventeen after graduating from Harvard's dental School. 77 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: The pair had children while living in Beijing, and by 78 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: all accounts, planned to make a permanent base there. That 79 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: was until June nineteen twenty six, when Prentice's wife left 80 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: the country abruptly, taking the children with her. They would 81 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: never go back. A strange note on his file at 82 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: the US Consulate suggested that at some point there had 83 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: been concerned for the safety of one Apprentice's children, without 84 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: specifying why. Since he was a foreign national of some 85 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: local repute, it failed to inspect a Denis to interview him, 86 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: which he did alongside legation Court of Police Commissioner Edward 87 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: Howard at the commissioner's own home. The dentist presented himself 88 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: as an upstanding member of the expat community, unlike Pinfalt, 89 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: claimed never to have heard of Pamela before, but more 90 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: to the point, he'd been at the cinema on the 91 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: evening she disappeared, so couldn't have had anything to do 92 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: with her. Murder. Inspector Dennis had little choice but to 93 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: take him at his word for the time being. But 94 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: it hadn't gone unnoticed that Wentworth Prentice just so happened 95 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: to live right next door to the French Club's new 96 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: ice rink, where Pamela had last been seen. The day 97 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: after Wentworth Prentice was interviewed by the police, an article 98 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: appeared in Beijing's English language newspaper written by an Irish 99 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: reporter named George Gorman. In it, Gorman criticized the authorities 100 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: for considering Prentice a possible suspect and unfairly tarnishing his reputation. 101 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: The real killers were Chinese, not Westerners, Gorman insisted. Many 102 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: had already begun to speculate that the reason Pamela's organs 103 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: had been removed was so they could be sold for 104 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: medical purposes on the Chinese black market, which were tracked 105 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: with Gorman's assessment. Intriguingly, George Gorman did know Pamela Werner, 106 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: as Inspector Dennis found out when he went to speak 107 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: with him shortly after the article was published. It was 108 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Gorman's wife that told Dennis that Pamela had even been 109 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: to their house visiting their daughter only the night before 110 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: her murder. The potential connections demanded to be followed up, 111 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: but time was running out for the two detectives. Inspector 112 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: Dennis had only been given enough leave to stay until 113 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: February seventh, just before Chinese New Year. It wasn't nearly 114 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: long enough. Not only had they failed to find any 115 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: verifiable suspects, they hadn't even established where Pamela was murdered 116 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: in the first place. The inquest into Pamela's death was 117 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: held on January twenty ninth. After hearing testimony from Pamela's 118 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: friends and some of the investigating officers, the coroner, Nicholas Fitzmorris, 119 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: a British consul, concluded rather redundantly that Pamela's death was 120 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: an unlawful killing, but that it would be up to 121 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: a later hearing to decide who might have committed the crime. 122 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: The following day, much to the dismay of Inspectors Hans 123 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: and Dennis, details of the autopsy were published in the papers, 124 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: having been secretly leaked to the press. It was an 125 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: unmitigated disaster that also led to Fitzmorris's demotion. Now with 126 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: so much key information in the public domain the culprit 127 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: or culprits could use it to stay a step ahead 128 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: of the investigators, but by then it would have made 129 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: little difference in any case, because Inspectors Hahn and Dennis 130 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: had reached the end of the road. As the raucous 131 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: celebrations of Chinese New Year began, many in Beijing were 132 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: convinced it would be the last such holiday for them 133 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: and their city for some time. Inspector Dennis was forced 134 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: to return to Tianjin, while Inspector Hahn was moved on 135 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: to other cases. After all, there were far more pressing 136 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: concerns now than an unsolved murder, not least of all 137 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: the impending invasion of the city. By March nineteen thirty seven, 138 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: the Japanese government was becoming increasingly bold with their military provocations. 139 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: They began driving tanks through parts of the city and 140 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: flying their fighter planes overhead at low altitudes, feeling out 141 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: the Chinese government's appetite for pushing back. Meanwhile, the Japanese 142 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: army's presence outside the city grew ever bigger and more threatening. 143 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: It was only a matter of time before they mounted 144 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: a full scale occupation. On the night of July seventh, 145 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, near the Marco Polo Bridge just outside 146 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: of Beijing, Japanese and Chinese Nationalist Army troops clashed during 147 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: what had begun as a routine military exercise. When a 148 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: Japanese soldier was reported missing, demand's weight to search the 149 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: nearby town of Wuanping, which were refused by the Chinese Army, 150 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: shots were fired. What followed became the opening act of 151 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: a wider war, as reinforcements poured into North China and 152 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: the fragile balance that had been in place since the 153 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Boxer rebellion finally gave way. Beijing fell with little sustained resistance. 154 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: By the end of July, it was completely occupied by 155 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: the Japanese military. The old order gave way to something 156 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: far harsher and more uncertain. Any lingering hope that the 157 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: truth behind Pamela Werner's death might be uncovered quietly slipped away. 158 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: There was only one man left to keep investigating Pamela's murder. 159 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,239 Speaker 1: Her dogged and heartbroken father, Edward Werner, had been extremely 160 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: disappointed with the lack of progress on his daughter's case. 161 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: British authorities in Beijing had offered a reward of one 162 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: thousand Chinese silver dollars roughly ten times what the average 163 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: Chinese family would spend in a year for information that 164 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: would help resolve the case. But the reward fliers had 165 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: only been printed in English. Werner's plea for them to 166 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: be printed in Mandarin too, fell on deaf ears, since 167 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: many Chinese citizens distrusted their own authorities those of foreign countries. 168 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Werner also argued unsuccessfully to allow useful informant to claim 169 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: the money anonymously, and when he finally got the Beijing 170 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: police to return Pamela's clothes and to other personal effects, 171 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: it appeared the items had not been properly stored or 172 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: even checked for fingerprints. Convinced that the authorities weren't doing enough, 173 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: Werner decided to hold a press conference on the steps 174 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: of the British legation headquarters. He criticized the decision to 175 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: let Canadian suspect Harold Pinfold go, despite the fact he 176 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: clearly had some crucial information that they failed to follow 177 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: up on. He also drew on his considerable knowledge of 178 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: Chinese culture to dispute any suggestion that his daughter's organs 179 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: had been harvested for traditional practices. Werner firmly believed that 180 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: his daughter's killer or killers were Westerners, and offered an 181 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: extra five thousand Chinese gold dollars, three times what an 182 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: average Chinese family could earn in their lifetimes and a 183 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: sum that constituted most of his life savings for any 184 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: vital information, But still no informant came forward. Months after 185 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: the official inquest Edward Werner was still living in his 186 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: courtyard house, but due to the Japanese occupation, was no 187 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: longer free to roam around the city as he had 188 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: once been. Nonetheless, he stubbornly kept up the search to 189 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: find his daughter's killer, repeatedly pleading with the Foreign Office 190 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: to reopen the case. He also used his considerable financial 191 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: resources to encourage former Beijing police officers to share whatever 192 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: they knew with him. Like the two inspectors before him, 193 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Werner's investigations led him to the brothels at twenty seven 194 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and twenty eight chuan Ban, although by then their owners 195 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: appeared to have closed the establishishments and fled the city. 196 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: Werner became fixated with number twenty eight, especially where it 197 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: seemed dentist Wentworth Prentice was a regular, and where he 198 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: was introduced to Harold Pinforlt, and potentially many of the 199 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: other men whom Werner discovered also attended his secret nudest 200 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: retreats in the Western Hills. But there was far more 201 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: to come. When Edward Werner went through his daughter's diary, 202 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: he claimed to find evidence which detectives Hahn and Dennis 203 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: had overlooked, namely entries his daughter had apparently written about 204 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: how she'd gone on a weekend visit to the Western 205 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Hills with the Irish reporter George Gorman and his family 206 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: six months before her murder, and that while on that trip, 207 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Gorman had made sexual overtures to her, which she'd rebuffed, this, 208 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: of course, being the same George Gorman who had so 209 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: stoutly defended the reputation of his friend Wentworth Apprentice in 210 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the newspaper the day after he was taken in for questioning. 211 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: Was Gorman also a regular at number twenty eight. It 212 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: was around this time that Werner apparently heard of rumor 213 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: that Canadian suspect Harold Pinflt, on his release from questioning, 214 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: had gone straight to the city of Tianjin, where he 215 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: was heard asking someone if Prentice had been arrested yet, 216 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: and that wasn't all that Werner had on Wentworth Prentice 217 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: when he was interviewed back at the start of the year. 218 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: Prentice claimed never to have met Pamela before, but this 219 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: wasn't true, as Werner tried to impress upon anyone that 220 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: would listen to him, Pamela had actually once been a 221 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: patient apprentices and he had the receipt to prove it, 222 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: which he said was dated from only five weeks before 223 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: the murder and in case it had gone unnoticed. Though 224 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't Prentice that Pamela had seen the morning before 225 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: she disappeared, she had been to the dentist that day. 226 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Could that have been linked to anything at all? At 227 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: some point Edward Werner learned that a rickshaw puller had 228 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: been brought in for questioning after he was seen washing 229 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: a bloody seat cushion near to where Pamela's body was 230 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: found not long after she was killed. At the time, 231 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: he told Inspector Hahn that the blood was the result 232 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: of a fight between a Russian expat and an American marine. 233 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: Werner hired agents to track down the ritual puller so 234 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: he could speak to him himself. The man allegedly told 235 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: Werner a very different story to the one he gave 236 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to Inspector Hahn. According to Werner, the rickshaw puller claimed 237 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: that on the night Pamela went missing, he was called 238 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: to the Barcum brothel at number twenty eight Juan Ban. 239 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: There he picked up two men and what appeared to 240 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: be a young European woman wrapped in a white sheet 241 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: who wasn't moving. It was her blood that had got 242 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: on the rickshaw cushion, he said. Werner again took his 243 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: findings to British diplomats, pleading with them to reopen the case, 244 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: but the rickshaw puller, who Werner likely paid some considerable 245 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: money for his apparent confession, was not regarded as a 246 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: credible witness. Throughout nineteen thirty eight and into nineteen thirty nine, 247 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Werner continued investigating, but all his efforts to get British 248 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: officials to reopen the case failed. In fact, they became 249 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: so annoyed with him he was eventually banned from entering 250 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: the Legation quarter. So keen were they to draw a 251 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: line under it all, but Werner would not be deterred. Eventually, 252 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: he also discovered that Joseph Nuf, who had turned out 253 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: round the brothels at twenty seven and twenty eight. Juan Ban, 254 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: despite what he told police back in nineteen thirty seven, 255 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: had in fact not only known more about the Western 256 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: Hill's nudest weekends, he was a regular participant. It was 257 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: all becoming glaringly obvious to Werner that Wentworth, Apprentice and 258 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: all his fellow frequenters of Number twenty eight knew far 259 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: more about his daughter and possibly what had happened to her, 260 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: than they were letting on. Werner's own theory was this, 261 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: over a period of months, Pamela had been essentially groomed 262 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: by Prentice and his associates. Then, possibly under the pretext 263 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: of a Christmas party, they had finally made their move 264 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: and invited her to meet them at Number twenty eight. 265 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Perhaps she'd even met one of them first for a 266 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: secret dinner, which would explain the food that was later 267 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: found in her stomach. Werner surmised that the men planned 268 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: to have sex with his daughter that night, but having 269 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: realized the truth about why she'd been invited out, Pamela 270 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: refused their advances and a struggle ensued. During that struggle, 271 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Pameler was likely struck with a chair. Werner had in 272 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: fact spotted a wooden chair with a broken leg when 273 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: he visited the brothel as part of his own investigations. 274 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: Having been killed in sight, Werner surmised that the assailants 275 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: had then taken Pamela's body to the Fox Tower because 276 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: it was unlit and unpatrolled. There, the men, some of whom, 277 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: if Werner's theory was to be believed, were hunters and 278 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: medical professionals, mutilated the corpse with a combination of crude 279 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: stabs and cuts, as well as clinical incisions to remove 280 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: her organs, but nobody else bought it, or at least 281 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to know about it. Despite it all, Werner 282 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: continued pursuing the case, and was still doing so in 283 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: late nineteen forty one when the Japanese Air Force attacked 284 00:19:50,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. With Japan now formerly at war with many 285 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: of the nations represented in the Legation Quarter, things only 286 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: became even more intense for expats in Beijing and across China. 287 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: Edward Werner was forced to flee his home and move 288 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: into the relative safety of the Quarter, whose right to 289 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: diplomatic and legal immunity was getting more and more fragile 290 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: by the day. All the while he continued to write 291 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: long requests to the Foreign Office to have the killers 292 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: he'd singled out brought to justice, all of which was 293 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: in vain. In March nineteen forty three, the Japanese government 294 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: finally took over the Legation Quarter and removed all its 295 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: remaining European residents, including Edward Werner and Wentworth Apprentice. All 296 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: were marched to the train station and sent to an 297 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: interment camp in Shandong, two hundred fifty miles away to 298 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: the south. Ironically, Edward Werner would spend the rest of 299 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: the war as a prisoner of the Shandong interment camp, 300 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: alongside many of the men he believed had been involved 301 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: with Pamela's death. Wentworth Prentice even became the camp's de 302 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: facto dentist, earning a measure of respect from fellow inmates, 303 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: something that could only have deepened Werner's sense of grievance 304 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: toward him. Survivors of the camp later said that the 305 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: by then seventy five year old Werner periodically confronted Prentice, 306 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: yelling you killed her. I know you killed Pamela. You 307 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: did it. When the war ended, Edward Werner remained in China. 308 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: It had, after all, been his home for most of 309 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: his life, but more than that, it was where he 310 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: felt closest to his daughter. To leave would have felt 311 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: like abandoning her and giving up on her. Case. Old 312 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: age and ill health finally convinced him to return to 313 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: England in nineteen fifty one. On his death three years later, 314 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the British Times newspaper published a lengthy obituary containing only 315 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: a brief mention of Pamela's murder. It would be several 316 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: decades before the mysterious unsolved case would surface in print again. 317 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: One rainy day in London in the early two thousands, 318 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: a writer named Paul French sat at a desk in 319 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: the National Archives. French had studied Chinese at the University 320 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: of London and had become interested in the career of 321 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: a journalist who had been working in Beijing just prior 322 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: to the Second World War, a woman by the name 323 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: of Helen Foster Snow. The dismal wet weather that day 324 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: led to French staying a little longer at his desk 325 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: than normal, and as he read on a footnote in 326 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: Snow's biography, suddenly caught his attention. In the note, Snow 327 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: alluded to her fears in the wake of Pamela Werner's 328 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: murder that it was her and not the young woman 329 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: who'd been the intended target. French was intrigued. When he 330 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: woke the next morning, he had to find out more 331 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: about the story. His curiosity led him back to the archives, 332 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: where he searched a box of nineteen forties records from 333 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: the British embassy in China for any mention of the killing. 334 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: He was not disappointed. There were numerous documents on the case, 335 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: including a one hundred and fifty page letter from Edward 336 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Werner setting out his own private efforts to solve the case, 337 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: concluding with the accusation that Wentworth, Prentice and his fellow 338 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: nudists had been the killers. French wrote a book about 339 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: the case called Midnight in p King, in which he 340 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: concurred with Werner's theory. The book became a best seller 341 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: and won many awards, but like the original investigations, French's 342 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: conclusions were dogged by counterclaims and controversy. Several critics, including 343 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: two descendants of individuals who featured in the case, cast 344 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: doubt on French's presentation of Werner's conclusions. They posted photographs 345 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: of many original documents referred to in the book, which 346 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: true Werner's reliability into question Edward Werner was not a 347 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: credible source, the critics said, claiming that French had downplayed 348 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: the man's violent temper. They drew attention to an incident 349 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen while Werner was the British consul in Fujo, 350 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: when he struck a customs official with a whip, an 351 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: incident which led to Werner being forcibly retired from the 352 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: diplomatic service. The critics also said that Werner's assertions were 353 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: hard to substantiate and not mentioned in any other accounts 354 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: of the investigation in Foreign office correspondence or newspaper articles. 355 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: They also showed that the receipt for the dental work 356 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: that Prentice had carried out on Pamela was in fact 357 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: dated six years before her death, not five weeks as 358 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: her father had claimed, and that the time of the 359 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: cinema performance that Princess said he'd been at the night 360 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: Pamela was murdered was backed up by newspaper records from 361 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: the time. French's reconstructions relied too heavily on warness letters, 362 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: they said, while it was likely that more accurate police 363 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: records had not survived the war. In twenty eighteen, a 364 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: death in p King Who Killed Pamela Werner was published. 365 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: Its author, Graham Shephard, openly admitted that he was not 366 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: a fan of true crime books or writing, but he'd 367 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: become intrigued by the case after reading Poor French's book, 368 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: partly because his wife's grandfather was Nicholas Fitzmorris, who'd presided 369 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: over the inquiry into Pamela's death, but also because he 370 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: was a retired British police officer with over thirty years 371 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: on them. For the former detective, Pamela Werner's killing presented 372 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: an intriguing cold case. Using his policing skills, Shepherd methodically 373 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: drew up a full list of possible suspects, which included 374 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: not just Wentworth, Prentice and his fellow nudists, but Chinese 375 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: and Japanese agents and some previously unexamined suspects and leads. 376 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Shepherd found the gory nature of the murder especially curious. 377 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: Why had her chest been opened and her heart taken out? 378 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: For one? At first, Shepherd didn't discount the possibility that 379 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: Edward Werner himself might have murdered his daughter Indeed, he 380 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: considered the father, with his history of violence and controlling, 381 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: insecure nature, to be a stronger candidate than many of 382 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: the other suspects. Shepherd noted how Werner seemed aware of 383 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: every detail of Pamela's movements on the day that she died. 384 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: He was known to have disapproved of her boyfriends and 385 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: to have had an explosive temper. Not only that he 386 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: turned up at the crime scene the following morning, as 387 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: offenders are often known to do, but in his final analysis, 388 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Shepherd came to believe that Werner didn't kill his only child. 389 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: He felt, from his policing perspective that there was someone 390 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: else much more likely to have been the murderer. Han 391 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Shao Ching, Pamela's classmate who had been so brutally beaten 392 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: off by her father when he attempted to call on 393 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: Pamela's home a week before she died. Shepherd's conclusion was 394 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: that the loss of face, so important in Chinese culture, 395 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: prompted the young man to exact an extreme form of revenge, 396 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: of which the removal of Pamela's heart was its symbolic climax. 397 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: The former detective noted that the crime scene was just 398 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: around the corner from Pamela's home on her route there 399 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: from the ice rink, which to him was highly suggest 400 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: festive of a lone offender, full of obsessive resentment, lust 401 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: and rejection, determined to exact revenge on Pamela's father. According 402 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: to Edward Werner, Hans Shu Ching was murdered by Japanese 403 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: military police sometime in the nineteen forties. As for Inspector 404 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: Richard Dennis, he was relieved of his position as police 405 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: chief in Tianjin when the Japanese military took over and 406 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: immediately put in prison, where he was subjected to months 407 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: of solitary confinement and torture. He was only released after 408 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: he signed a forced confession to crimes he didn't commit. 409 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Returning to China after the war, he assisted with the 410 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: war crimes trials of some of the very people who'd 411 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: imprisoned him, before returning to England, where he lived until 412 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: his death in nineteen seventy seven. The fate of Inspector 413 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Hahn shir Chong, who was also forced out by the 414 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: Japanese occupying forces, is unknown. As for Pamela Werner, she 415 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: was laid to rest in what at the time was 416 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: Beijing's English Cemetery. Today it lies under the pavement of 417 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: Beijing's second largest ring road. There is a walking tour 418 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: there which retraces Pamela's steps the night she went missing. 419 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: The Werner's home, which she left mid afternoon on that 420 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: fateful day, is now a print shop. The Fox Tower, 421 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: or dong Biyan Men, as it's known locally, where Pamela's 422 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: mutilated body was found, is today home to a contemporary 423 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Chinese art space. As Beijing's traffic thunders over her remains 424 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: in a case as cold as the city's winters. 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