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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many

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Speaker 2: players say, well I want to be happy. You want

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Speaker 2: to be happy for a day? Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Woo woo?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Ty welcome back to the Salaburbo boys

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Speaker 1: and girls. My name Ty Hildenbred. That guy over there,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein. This is part duh duh of our national

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Speaker 1: signing day, of our recruiting roundup of sorts. On the

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Speaker 1: last episode we did, we talked about five teams. We've

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Speaker 1: got five more coming your way today. As I said

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Speaker 1: on the last episode, Big ten and Big ten adjacent

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Speaker 1: heavy as We've got Notre Dame, We've got Pinchot, We've

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Speaker 1: got Michigan, We've got Ohio State, and we've got incoming

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Speaker 1: Big ten member USC Sir, how are you today in

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Speaker 1: good old Chicago?

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Speaker 2: Still good, still warm. Back's a little bit sore tai

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Speaker 2: from carrying this show well, but I'm very excited to

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Speaker 2: talk Big ten A Jason teams.

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Speaker 1: You know it well, we're going to trade places on

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Speaker 1: this episode. On the last one you did carry that episode.

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Speaker 1: You did a good job of it. Congratulations, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Today though, I've got Notre Dame today, I've got Ohio

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Speaker 1: State today, I've got Penn State, You've got USC and

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Speaker 1: of course your Michigan Wolverines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to start Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: I do want to start with Notre Dame. Okay, what

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Speaker 1: we're trying to do here, just to recap, is go

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Speaker 1: through each of these programs and talk through where the

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Speaker 1: recruiting emphasis was, which players made sense, which guys we

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Speaker 1: could see stepping in and making an instant impact on.

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Speaker 2: The noterem marks. Are you more excited boy Notre Dame's

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Speaker 2: current class or would you be more excited by what

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Speaker 2: could have been for Notre Dame in this year's class?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think a little bit of both, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the key on Keeley thing hurts.

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Speaker 2: Dante Moore seemed like he was a Notre Dame for

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Speaker 2: a spell there. Peyton Bowen yeah, committed forever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There were a couple names that felt like they

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Speaker 1: that one, to me is the one that stung the most.

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Speaker 1: But I thought, all things considered, given Notre Dames work

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Speaker 1: in the portal, they were able to cobble something together

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Speaker 1: that is actually quite exciting, if only because of Sam Hartman.

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Speaker 1: Sam Hartman coming in I think gives them an added pop.

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Speaker 1: I know you're high on Caleb Smith from Virginia Tech

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I still feel pretty good about it. It's

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Speaker 1: top ten class, give or take, it's top ten class.

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Speaker 1: They did good work. I think they emphasized some key

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Speaker 1: Is there a drastic change in focus that is going

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Speaker 1: It could have been better, but it obviously could have

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Speaker 2: What are the odds we finished the Notre Dame twenty

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Speaker 2: Ohio State just had their way with Notre Dame in

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Speaker 1: Hartman had a game where he had like four interceptions

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm so excited about Sam Hartman is because

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, fair enough? Who are the children high? Who

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Speaker 1: Jaden great House Okay. Jaden great House is a receiver

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Speaker 1: So can do a little bit of everything, right. He

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty pleased with this class. It feels like it's

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Speaker 1: to get Hartman was obviously the most notable. But again,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about Georgia. I'm not talking about Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Alabama, talking about Notre Dame. And if

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Speaker 1: I don't care what position you're at, there is an

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The interesting thing about Notre Dame this year especially,

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Speaker 1: Look, the math is very very simple for Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: At receiver Lorenzo Styles was the next highest in terms

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is, at some point in some

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Speaker 2: as well yeah will be uttered. Okay, yeah, yeah, why not?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Why not? This should be an offense that

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Speaker 1: Go to Ohio State's rival Michigan Dan. Yeah, you're adopted team.

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Speaker 2: of years and no Eda and no Eda is from

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Speaker 2: Texas edge guy, good size, good burst. I don't even

434
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Speaker 2: know how much he's going to see the field, just

435
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Speaker 2: because they've developed guys so well upfront and they return

436
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Speaker 2: a bunch of experience up front Mason Graham, Chris Jenkins,

437
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Speaker 2: guys like that, and so maybe it's at corner because

438
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Speaker 2: you know, they're not afraid. You know, Jesse Minter did

439
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Speaker 2: a great job playing younger guys last year, highlighted by

440
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Speaker 2: Will Johnson. But they returned so much in the defensive

441
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Speaker 2: backfield as well that I really don't see a ton

442
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Speaker 2: of early impact dudes. You know, sometimes you like to

443
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Speaker 2: point to running back because it's one of the easier

444
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Speaker 2: positions to get used to as a college freshman. But

445
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Speaker 2: there's there's depth there. Right There's Blake korm who should

446
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Speaker 2: be healthy, and Donovan Edwards. Cole Cabana, by the way,

447
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Speaker 2: is the name of the incoming running back of choice.

448
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: Great name, almost like if there were an expanded universe

449
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Speaker 2: of like a Super Nintendo Fighting game. Let's meet the

450
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Speaker 2: new characters, right, oh, cole Cabana is a wise, cracking

451
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Speaker 2: kid from the streets of the Bahamas. I think he's

452
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Speaker 2: just from Detroit. Cole Cabana coming in, so maybe he's

453
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Speaker 2: a running back of the future. But they're in a

454
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Speaker 2: really good place. They hit the portal for offensive line,

455
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Speaker 2: so I don't think there's gonna be a lot of

456
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Speaker 2: early impact there, even though they're down a couple key guys.

457
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Speaker 2: I yeah, maybe at corner, maybe rotationally, But no, I

458
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Speaker 2: don't see a ton of obvious early impact guys from Michigan. Again,

459
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Speaker 2: just because the roster's in a great spot, do.

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Speaker 1: I have license to call him Cola.

461
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Speaker 2: Cola Cabana?

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

463
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Speaker 2: For just what reason?

464
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I have this sort of reputation at

465
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Speaker 1: this point dating back to Duke of Hazzard, Allen Blazard,

466
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Speaker 1: changing the name a little bit in order to you know,

467
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Speaker 1: spark a nickname.

468
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Speaker 2: So Cole Cabana.

469
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Speaker 1: If we could start a gun, if we can do

470
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Speaker 1: some sort of Barry Manilow Cola Cola Cabana spin.

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Speaker 2: In the cola.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's Copa is I understand, I understand this song. Okay,

473
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying we can changed things a little bit,

474
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Speaker 1: maybe keep the beat, keep it the better.

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Speaker 2: A good place I did I noticed. I think it

476
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Speaker 2: was the early signing period where Jim Harbaugh pointed out

477
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Speaker 2: that he was especially fond of a recruit when he

478
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Speaker 2: found out that the recruit's grandmother, somebody in the extended

479
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Speaker 2: family of the recruit, was a train conductor. Of course,

480
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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh pointed out. He was like, oh man, Bill Harbaugh,

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Speaker 2: I think it was Bill Harbaugh, like great uncle of

482
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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. He's like, it's in my blood too. Immediately

483
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Speaker 2: responded to the kid, all right, choo choo, great, all right, m.

484
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about one more team here in the Big Ten. Okay,

485
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Speaker 1: round out the Big Ten East, and now we can

486
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Speaker 1: go out west in the new Big Ten West. I

487
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Speaker 1: guess with the USC, let's talk about Penn State. Okay,

488
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Speaker 1: Penn State to me is fascinating this year. There's a

489
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Speaker 1: lot of steam on Penn State going into twenty three,

490
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Speaker 1: not just because of quarterback, not just because of the running,

491
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Speaker 1: but because Penn State, for all intents and purposes, isn't

492
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Speaker 1: a really good spot this coming season. Obviously, got to

493
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Speaker 1: get over that hump. Got to knock off both Ohio

494
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Speaker 1: State and Michigan if you truly want to announce that

495
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Speaker 1: you've arrived, which is sort of what we're waiting for

496
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Speaker 1: with with James Franklin. But they're in a really good spot.

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Speaker 1: This recruiting class fifteenth nationally, second in the Big Ten,

498
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Speaker 1: if only because Michigan had, as you mentioned, you know,

499
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Speaker 1: a class for other reasons that that wasn't as high

500
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Speaker 1: as it normally is. But a particular focus this year

501
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Speaker 1: for Penn State on defensive line and defensive back. Not

502
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Speaker 1: as many losses along that defensive line as I think

503
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Speaker 1: might might jump out to you or as you might

504
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Speaker 1: think out in looking at this class, but certainly an

505
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Speaker 1: area where they're trying to build depth. They're always deep

506
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Speaker 1: up front, that's kind of their their calling card. Secondary

507
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: secondary obviously have some losses there as well that they

508
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Speaker 1: need to address. I think they're trying to address that

509
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: as best as they can here through through the recruiting game.

510
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: They definitely need some help though out wide with wide receivers.

511
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Speaker 1: Leaving A big get was Dante Cephis, the transfer from

512
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Speaker 1: Kent State. He's going to help plug that gap. They've

513
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Speaker 1: got a lot of second year guys that I think

514
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Speaker 1: are going to step up and eventually fill out that

515
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Speaker 1: receiver room. But that remains I think something of an

516
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: open question. Not a big glaring, flashing red light or anything.

517
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Speaker 1: They'll be fine. But you've got this hotshot quarterback and

518
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Speaker 1: Drew Aller. You've got a great duo of running backs

519
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Speaker 1: in Nick Singleton and k Tron Allen. You've got to

520
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: be able to move the ball through the air, especially

521
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Speaker 1: now that you've got both Mitchell Tinsley and Parker Washington

522
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Speaker 1: go and pro right right, So who's going to step

523
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Speaker 1: up out there? Is it Cephas? Is it? You know? Any?

524
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Speaker 1: Any number of other guys will We'll find that out.

525
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Speaker 1: Carmelo Taylor's four star from Virginia, who's smaller but just

526
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: an absolute burner?

527
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Speaker 2: Okay?

528
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Speaker 1: Who is a guy you could see stepping in and

529
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Speaker 1: maybe giving them more of a vertical threat?

530
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Speaker 2: How tall?

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Speaker 1: Five to ten?

532
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Speaker 2: Okay? So maybe like jet action, maybe used as a

533
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: decoy at times, but somebody who can sort of stress

534
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: defenses in specific WAYSK.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe a smaller type guy, but a definite

536
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Speaker 1: burner man. I mean, he's got great speed, and especially

537
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Speaker 1: if Drew Aller's got the big arm that so many

538
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: folks are excited about, you could see them maybe utilizing

539
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Tailor in a way. Again, a four star note for

540
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: his speed. Not enrolling until summer though, which you could

541
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Speaker 1: see hurting a true freshman. But if he's got the speed,

542
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Speaker 1: and if he continues to rise once he gets to

543
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Speaker 1: Penn State, the way he rows throughout this recruiting class,

544
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Speaker 1: you could see maybe there's a role for him.

545
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Speaker 2: So James Franklin doesn't have a type with receivers, well,

546
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Speaker 2: he doesn't need a receiver to be six to two,

547
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Speaker 2: doesn't need a receiver to be six four. I mean

548
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Speaker 2: both what Johan Dotson and kJ Hamler were sub six

549
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: feet and dominated Big ten teams.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So he's an interesting name that

551
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: I that I could see Penn State fans potentially getting

552
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: to know in some key spots throughout the course of

553
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: the season when they need a big play. Other names

554
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: that stand out Elliott Washington, four star defensive back comes

555
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: up from Florida. Could see him getting some time with

556
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: the twos again. They much like the defensive line, Penn

557
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: State is in a position with its defensive backfield where

558
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: they have guys that they can plug and play with

559
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: that are currently on the roster. They're not in need

560
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: of a freshman to step up and plug a gap.

561
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Speaker 1: If they find that diamond in the rough who's good

562
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: enough to step up and play with the ones, then

563
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: then obviously they're going to look at that. But for

564
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Speaker 1: the time being, having some depth, especially at that cornerback spot.

565
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Speaker 1: Defensive back as a whole Elliott Washington the forest as

566
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Speaker 1: a guy I could see maybe shouldering his way in

567
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: and getting some time with the twos. Another interesting name,

568
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Speaker 1: just because Penn State is widely noted as linebacker. You

569
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Speaker 1: Tony Rojas atbacker, the four star from Virginia. He's in

570
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: a much similar position as Elliott Washington, where it's not

571
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Speaker 1: like Penn State needs Rojas to step up and fill

572
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Speaker 1: a role as a starter at linebacker. They don't need that.

573
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: They've got guys. They're plenty deep bat linebacker. But if

574
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Speaker 1: he is as good as advertised, you could see him

575
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: getting some time with the twos, maybe finding his way

576
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Speaker 1: onto the field in some packages.

577
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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough. By the way, there's a weird

578
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: thing with so do you remember it was who did

579
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: James Franklin beef with early on? Was it Randy Edseel

580
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: recruiting in Maryland.

581
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Speaker 1: Talking about to dominate the state bs?

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Penn State has six of the top ten players

583
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Speaker 2: from the state of Virginia. Is that where Trace makes

584
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: the release from it is? I want to say a

585
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: from Trace mcstarleis from six of their absolute best recruits

586
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: are from Virginia. It's it's Pennsylvania and Virginia. Penn State

587
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: runs the old dominion state of Virginia six the top ten.

588
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I didn't realize it was that pronounce has

589
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: gotten to be that pronounced. They've been.

590
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Speaker 1: They've been very, very solid at recruiting the mid Atlantic region. Yeah,

591
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably a stretch to say they've dominated

592
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Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania, done a real good job in

593
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Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania as any big in state power should.

594
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Speaker 1: They've lost some guys to Ohio State. That's just the

595
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: cost of doing business when the Buckeyes are next door,

596
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: right when Michigan, well, there's just so.

597
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 2: Many good players in Pennsylvania. You're in, you're out.

598
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, they they've not gotten a perfect

599
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: track record on that front. But to say the least,

600
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Speaker 1: they've done really well in the in the mid Atlantic region,

601
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Speaker 1: as evidenced hereby you know what they did in Virginia,

602
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: pulling you know, names over the course of the last

603
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Speaker 1: I don't know, five years now from really that entire

604
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Speaker 1: region to penn State.

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Speaker 2: Well, you look at how down both Virginia and Virginia

606
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: Tech have been now recently, James Franklin all too happy

607
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: to just go in and clear out.

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Speaker 1: The final final note I'll add on Penn State is

609
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: that sure I am going to have to try very

610
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: very hard to tamper mind.

611
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: You're going to steal yourself.

612
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tampa is the wrong word to temper my temper

613
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: excitement when it comes to Penn State this coming season.

614
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: I feel very hopeful. Okay about twenty three great love

615
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: it close things out for me. Let's talk about USC.

616
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: USC in an advantageous spot being so Cale Williams is

617
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: coming back their Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, formerly a transfer

618
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, played with Lincoln Riley there, played with them

619
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Speaker 1: here in just a year two he wins the Heisman Trophy.

620
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Speaker 1: Coming into this season again, SC has been very active

621
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Speaker 1: trying to surround him with playmakers. But the question that

622
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: we addressed on a previous episode was defense. With SC,

623
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Speaker 1: they're not going to win a national championship. They're not

624
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: going to contend with some of these SEC powers. They

625
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: have a hard enough time contending with Utah because of

626
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: that defense. So was that an area of focus here

627
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Speaker 1: where they at with respect to this twenty three class.

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Speaker 2: I think they're hoping that transfer from Arizona are the

629
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Speaker 2: difference on defense no, yeah, and I guess the state

630
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: of Arizona. Yeah. I mean, look, they got a good

631
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Speaker 2: lineman from Arizona, they got a good corner from Arizona.

632
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Speaker 2: This is the University of not necessarily the state of

633
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: but Anthony Lucas's comes in from Texas A and m

634
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: as a transfer on the defensive line, Mason Cobb from

635
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. I don't believe he's from the state of Arizona.

636
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: But defense is largely going to be at least in

637
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: the short term of portal opportunity for USC and a

638
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: portal priority, not necessarily a recruiting trail priority. And I

639
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: guess in the I don't know if you saw Bruce

640
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Feltman's piece for The Athletic about you know, players in

641
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs, players in the Super Bowl, players overall

642
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: that being a high rate a highly rated defensive recruits

643
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: is a lot It projects a lot better long term

644
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: for success than a highly rated offensive recruit because there's

645
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: so much that's more random with offensive success scheme or

646
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: usage or who's around you. You're just sort of, you know,

647
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: if you're a top flight receiver, you're dependent on quarterback,

648
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: you're dependent on offensive line, but on defense, you're just

649
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: winning one on ones and so we'll see. But in

650
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Speaker 2: terms of where USC is generally on a talent level

651
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: on defense, they're nowhere near a championship level. Now that said,

652
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: this year's offensive class is at the top, fully electric.

653
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. It is a horror story for other teams

654
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Speaker 2: that us he is playing because of Malachai Nelson being

655
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: a top flight quarterback coming into SC and we didn't

656
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Speaker 2: mention Malachi Nelson on the previous episode when we were

657
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: talking about this quarterback class. His ceiling is ridiculous. He

658
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: looked around a little bit, took a visit to Texas

659
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: A and M. Because why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you

660
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: take visits if you're a top flight high school football player.

661
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: Zachariah Branch is the we talked about Penn State and

662
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: the little guy at receiver there. I think Branch might

663
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: be the number one receiver or he's a top two

664
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Speaker 2: or three receiver in this class. A five star receiver,

665
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: an absolute terror, absolute breakaway speed, but also a polished receiver.

666
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: Not huge at about five nine five ten, but somebody

667
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Speaker 2: that you're just not going to be able to keep

668
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Speaker 2: off the field.

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Speaker 1: Got a Tyreek Hill comp Yeah, twenty four to seven,

670
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: So obviously, yeah, thought very highly of he is.

671
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: He is a find a way kind of guy. Whether

672
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: it's reverses, whether it's screens, whether it's going deep and

673
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: just burning some poor pack twelve corner. Find a way

674
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: to get him on the field, find a way to

675
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: get him. The ball is that special. So that's a

676
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: complete jewel to this class. Malchi Nelson should be very good,

677
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: has been very good at I think it's Losal the

678
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: high school in southern California for quite some time. So

679
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: USC is in great hands offensively moving forward, even you know,

680
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Dorian Singer arguably the best receiver for Arizona the back

681
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: half of the season. He comes in as a transfer,

682
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison making his way to the NFL. They lost

683
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: a couple of you know, formerly high profile receivers to

684
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: the Portal and Kyle Ford and Bruce McCoy. I guess

685
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: that was last year, Gary Bryant being the other big one. Recently,

686
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: they're in great shape offensively. It's a new look at

687
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: running back. They bring in another blue chip running back.

688
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: They have a couple of pieces that they brought in

689
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: on defense. But this is not and mentioned the last episode.

690
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: You know, their biggest recruiting competition on the West coast

691
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: is Oregon. Oregon made defense and stacking their defensive roster

692
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: with blue chip players a priority, And even if USC

693
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: made it a priority, they swung and they missed on

694
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys. And so maybe the portal

695
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: will be enough to get them to the next tier

696
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: and moving forward towards becoming a perennial playoff type team.

697
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: But as they move to the Big ten, I don't know, man,

698
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: it seems that there's very little that changes an opponent's

699
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: desire to just run straight at USC. Right now with

700
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Speaker 2: the way this roster is constructed.

701
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of I'm curious about this. I mean,

702
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: it's very stacked offensively.

703
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: They're going to be so good on offense this year.

704
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Speaker 1: And I don't blame any offensive talent for wanting to

705
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: go out West, or if you're out West, stay out

706
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Speaker 1: there and play for Lincoln Riley, because clearly he knows

707
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Speaker 1: how to develop quarterbacks. Clearly he knows how to develop

708
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: skill talent around those quarterbacks. You'd be crazy not to

709
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: want to go there. I understand that appeal. They are

710
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: always going to have a good offense. It's just what

711
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley does well defensively, though it does not seem

712
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: like it is that heavy on some of the areas

713
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: that we've called out time and again throughout the course

714
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Speaker 1: of the season with USC. So maybe it is a

715
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: scheme thing. I mean, when we talked through the half

716
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Speaker 1: team qualities of USC on a previous episode like two

717
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: weeks ago, now, one of your points was that they

718
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: just they have to get better. They have to get better,

719
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Speaker 1: not because they have to get better to be better,

720
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Speaker 1: but because they just there's an inevitability to the fact

721
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Speaker 1: that they can't be as bad as they were last

722
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: season with the talent that they have, that another year

723
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: they're going to get better at tackling. The scheme is

724
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: going to set in. Think you would expect that things

725
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: will we'll go in a good direction.

726
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Speaker 2: I just don't know how many years Alex Grinch can

727
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: feel the subpar defense and you just keep employing Alex Grinch.

728
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: I just you know, maybe it's players need to catch

729
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: up to his scheme and it's very specific. But if

730
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: that's the case, that's not a good defensive coordinator. Players

731
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: are constantly trying to catch up.

732
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
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Speaker 2: And so also, if.

734
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Speaker 1: You're going to base your defense around a high volume

735
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: of go coming via the portal, that makes it really

736
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: difficult for them to pick something up that quickly. Sure, now,

737
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: in some cases these guys are talented enough that you

738
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: would expect the learning curve would be pretty quick, but

739
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: also portal is hit or missman. Maybe maybe you're better

740
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: at it if you were a pre eminent program and

741
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: you essentially get your pick of the litter of guys

742
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: who want to come there. You're not having to go

743
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: out there and scout as much as guys are scouting you.

744
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: But it does not feel like a super sustainable model

745
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: to rely on the portal year and you're out. It

746
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: may work fine this year, but this is it depends

747
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: what your goals are. Depends on what your goals are.

748
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: I would I would like to have seen a heavier

749
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: emphasis on defense in this class.

750
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I Again, they hit the offensive line section

751
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: of things both in the portal with Ethan White coming

752
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: in from Florida and on the recruiting trail. They had

753
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: two pretty big wins. I mean, they're not super highly ranked,

754
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: but they were coveted by a number of big programs

755
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: on the inside of their offensive line. It's just like,

756
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: who's setting the edge for the next three years, who

757
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: is plugging holes at inside linebacker? Right? Who is coming

758
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: up at a sort of box safety position for the

759
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: next two or three years. There aren't a lot of

760
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: answers for USC. And given Lincoln Riley recruited really good

761
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: defensive players to Oklahoma, it didn't work out in terms

762
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: of results. But he's not even doing that right now.

763
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: Out of at least the high school ranks. We'll see

764
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: if they can keep growing through the portal on defense,

765
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: but those guys don't tend to enter as often. Those

766
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: types of game changers just get recruited to huge places,

767
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: play three years and go to the NFL. And so

768
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: it is a like you are alluding to, it's just risky.

769
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: It's just risky given USC's intentions and aspirations to say, well,

770
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find a game changing three technique every year, Okay, yeah,

771
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: hopefully worst.

772
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do that in year out of mean,

773
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: look at Michigan State, right. Michigan State's a good example.

774
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe not exactly apples to apples here, but caught lightning

775
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: in a bottle with Kenneth Walker the following year couldn't

776
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: capture that same magic and you know, fell short of

777
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: some expectations. Before we move on, before we put a

778
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: pill on this episode, Okay, while we're on the topic

779
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: of USA, I wanted to ask about Malachi Nelson because

780
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Malachi Nelson, I feel like because of a lot of

781
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the Arch Manning hype, because we've talked about Nico at

782
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee and some of the other quarterbacks in his class,

783
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: it almost feels like some have overlooked Malachi Nelson, which

784
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: is crazy because I remember way back when when we

785
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: first started hearing his name, he got a comp to

786
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and I checked before we hit record here

787
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: today and the latest comp, which was you know, two

788
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: years ago now, was Jordan Love. So those are some

789
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: pretty good names. He's got a first round grade on

790
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: him in both cases. Here, what do we know about

791
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: Malachi Nelson. He's what a year out now from Cable

792
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Williams going pro and him presumably being the guy unless

793
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: something changes. But what have you heard about Malkai Nelson

794
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: as a you know, just as a player.

795
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, arm, a little bit skinny. He's listed at six

796
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: three point eighty. I don't know how recent that measurement was.

797
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: Can maybe be a little bit careless with the ball,

798
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: but this is you know, it's it's hard to project

799
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: forward when he's going to have better receivers and a

800
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: better offensive line in front of me. That he's a

801
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: natural thrower, That he's very very good. He was committed

802
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma when Lincoln Riley was there and decommitted when

803
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: Riley came to USC and it just made sense given

804
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: that he was in Southern California. But he's he's also

805
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 2: one of those guys who's played i think, relatively top

806
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: tier talent in Southern California. So that was gonna be

807
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: my next question.

808
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: He's a Southern California quarterback, what we know about that

809
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: level of competition?

810
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's played against good schools. Los Alamdos is

811
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: one of the bigger programs in Southern California. Obviously, you

812
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: know there's a whole other tier with places like Bosco

813
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: in modern day, but Los Alamitos is very well respected

814
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: and he's played in big games. I think he's going

815
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: to thrive at SC especially because he's it's another situation

816
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: where he's not going to be counted on this year

817
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: to be immediately the guy where you can sit behind

818
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and Miller Moss the time of recording Miller

819
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: Moss is at USC and develop into that system. Guys

820
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: seem to immediately thrive with Lincoln Riley as they enter

821
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: that system, and I don't expect him to be any different.

822
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