1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: It became training over the weeks, like, man, we're like 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: week six or whatever, and we still don't have anybody. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: We're all united in one common goal, and that was 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: to find out who had caused this horrific crime in Moscow. 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KAT Studios 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode eight, Behind the Badge. I'm 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong, a producer at KAT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: Alison Bankston, and Gabriel Castillo. Founded in nineteen thirty nine, 9 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: the Idaho State Police, known as ISP, has stood at 10 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: the center of some of the state's biggest and most 11 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: difficult cases. Their mission is clear, to serve, serve, and 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: protect the lives, property, and constitutional rights of every person 13 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: in Idaho. To do this, they bring an arsenal of resources. 14 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: State of the art crime labs, critical funding, and cutting 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: edge equipment. These are the tools that local police departments 16 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: often don't have at their disposal. On November thirteenth, twenty 17 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: twenty two, these resources were called upon when the Moscow 18 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Police Department faced an unimaginable crisis, the quadruple homicide at 19 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: one one two two King Road. Four young lives were 20 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: stolen Madison, Mogen Kayli Gonzalvez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Shapin. 21 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: Moscow Police quickly requested backup and ISP stepped in to 22 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: provide support, expertise, and manpower. Their mission was urgent to 23 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: help identify who could have committed such terrific, unspeakable murders 24 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: and to bring answers to a devastated community. One of 25 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: the detectives called to the front lines was Detective Hugh Powell, 26 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: a thirteen year law enforcement veteran who has seen his 27 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: sheriff tough cases, but nothing like this. Today, he joins 28 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: us to share what it was really like to work 29 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: behind the scenes on one of the most shocking and 30 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: closely watched investigations in recent memory. He's joined by kti's 31 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: studios producer Alice in Bankston. 32 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: Take me back to November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Where 33 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: were you when you got the call about what happened 34 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: at eleven twenty two King Rhade. So. 35 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: I was actually with my family at the time. We 36 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: were driving home from church when my sergeant, Darren Gilbertson 37 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: got a hold of me and said, hey, we got 38 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: a quadruple homicide. Up in Moscow and when can you 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: be there? Essentially, so everyone rallied together and we met 40 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: up at the office in Lewis And, Idaho, and then 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: traveled up to Moscow. And really we had very limited information. 42 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: And up to this point, I in my career, I'd 43 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: never had like a true like who done it homicide. 44 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Usually we have a suspect already in custody or on 45 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: most of our scenes, or we have a good lead 46 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: and we're actually like on a man hunt looking for 47 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: that person or whatever because we have good witnesses or 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: things like that. But this one was like, we didn't 49 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: have a witness, we didn't really have any leads yet. 50 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: So we got called up there. When we got to 51 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: King Road, got all our stuff set up, but they 52 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: were still waiting on the search warnge to get approved, 53 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: which took a little bit of time, about an hour 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: or two. The detective that got assigned as primary was 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Detective Jeff Talbot for processing the crime scene, and he 56 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: assigned me initially to collect some footprints in the snow 57 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: and by castings and stuff of that nature, And so 58 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I went and did that, and then when I finished that, 59 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: they were just getting done with like the photographs of 60 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: the inside the crime scene. That's so that's when I 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: went in to assist to collect evidence, and that's when 62 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: I first got a grasp of what truly had happened 63 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: inside the house, because up to that point I hadn't 64 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: been inside the house or anything like that. Definitely, I 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: would have to say one of the worst crime scenes 66 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in. 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: My life as far as the crime scene goes. Can 68 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: you kind of walk me through the layout of the 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: house and some of the stuff that you guys had 70 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: seen when you entered that house. 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: So it's like three levels. There's like what I would 72 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: call like a daylight basement area that faces to the 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: north and when you walk in, that's where and you 74 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: go up the stairs to the living room. There's two 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: bedrooms down below, and then when you walk upstairs that's 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: the main living room. I'm in the kitchen, that's where 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: Zane and Ethan's bedroom were was on the main floor, 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: or so I would call the second floor. And then 79 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: when you went up the stairs kind of like Katie 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: corner from the kitchen, the stairwell led you up to 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: where Maddie's and Kaylee's room were. The one thing that 82 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: stood out to all of us is how contained most 83 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: of the stuff was. Like as far as like blood 84 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and everything else was in Maddie's room and where Maddie 85 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: and Kayley were, and then also in Zane's room or 86 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: Zane and Ethan work. It was fairly well contained in 87 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: those two rooms, which was pretty shocking, especially for the 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: you know how gruesome the crime scene was, so I 89 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: would expect it we would have found more evidence throughout 90 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: the house, but it just wasn't the case. It was 91 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: very contained in both of those two rooms. 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: What did that make you think initially about who the 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: killer could have been? You know, because it doesn't seem 94 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: like it was a break in where the killer took 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. It doesn't seem like he messed 96 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: up a lot of things. When you're seeing to kind 97 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: of really well contained rooms, what did that suggest to 98 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: you right away? 99 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: It just appeared like someone knew what they were doing. 100 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: Wasn't just this crime of passion where someone just lost 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: their mind and just started, you know, killing people. It 102 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: was something that would seem to be more methodical and 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: more thought out. After we finished processing the scene, we've 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: turned all the evidence over to Moscow Police, department, and 105 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: at that point we had a briefing. 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: What are some of the first things you guys do 107 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: once you have that initial briefing, and what are those 108 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: briefings look like. 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: Well, that briefing, we listened to the nine one one 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: call that came in, and then we watched the footage 111 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: from the officer's body cam from when he responded to 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: the scene, and then they just talked about a few 113 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: of the detectives from Moscow and Police department, their initial 114 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: interviews with people that responded initially, and so they talked 115 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: about all those interviews, and then of course we start 116 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: getting tips that were coming in. People were calling in 117 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: and stuff because everyone, I wouldn't say everyone, but a 118 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: lot of people knew, like Zana and Ethan, Kaylee and Maddie, 119 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: and so it started to get a little overwhelmed. And 120 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: we worked with some amazing partners down here with the FBI, 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 1: and so we got ahold of them and started asking 122 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: them for their assistance because we knew this thing was 123 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: going to probably grow a little bigger than we had 124 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: initially imagined. 125 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: What is it like to chase down those tips and 126 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: you know, do these initial interviews when you don't know 127 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: who it could be. 128 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Initially, what we were assigned to do is like area canvas. 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: So we're just going door to door around the neighborhood, 130 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, trying to find if anybody had you know, 131 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: security footage, ring camera footage or anything like that, and 132 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: start collecting those things and start trying to put stuff together. 133 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: It was literally just door to door, just running down 134 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: all these tips. Some of them were crazy, you know, 135 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, what were. 136 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: Some of the craziest tips that you received? Were there 137 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: any that really stood out like, oh, my goodness, there's 138 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: no way that this could be true. 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: We had weird ones about the knife was buried under 140 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: a bear in the middle of the field or whatever. 141 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: They were under a bear. 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: They said it was a pack of bears had the 143 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: knife or something and it was where it's buried under 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: a take whatever in the middle of the field. I 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: remember that coming out. We kind of got a kick 146 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: out of that. So craziest tips that you could possibly 147 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: think of that people would call in. It was kind 148 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: of nuts, but they all had to be looked into, 149 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, because once we get that person, you know, 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to have something like the defense come 151 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: out and say we're like, oh, well, this can't be 152 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: the person because you guys didn't go follow up with 153 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: so and so on this tip. You know, you guys 154 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: just blew it off. But that's really the person that 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: you should be looking at. We just didn't want that 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: to be able to come back and bite us in 157 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: the end, you know, and so we really wanted to 158 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: produce a high quality case where our eyes were dotted 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: and our teas were crossed. So it was sixteen eighteen 160 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: hour days for man. I think it was the first 161 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: three weeks. I don't think any of us had a 162 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: day off. And we initially had a lot of suspects 163 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: at first that would you know, check these certain boxes 164 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: that we were looking at for one reason or another. 165 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: That's like, nope, that's not our person. And so it 166 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: became draining over the weeks. You know, It's like, man, 167 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: we're like week six or whatever, and we still don't 168 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: have anybody. Some of my partners that we talked to, 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: there was, you know, a doubt in the back of 170 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: our mind. I was like, are we really going to 171 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: find this person? You know, are we going to be 172 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: able to seek justice for these four kids? 173 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: Let's stop here. For a break. We'll be back in 174 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: a moment. Idaho State Police Detective Hugh Powell was among 175 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: those called to assist with the investigation into the brutal 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: murders of Madison Mogan, Kayleie Gonzalvez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. 177 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: The murders happened on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, and 178 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: for weeks, Detective Powell and his team painstakingly sifted through 179 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: hundreds of tips, leads, and pieces of evidence, each one 180 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: raising hopes, only to leave investigators searching for more. As 181 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: the days stretched on, a chilling question began to hang 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: in the air, would this case ever be solved? Then 183 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: a breakthrough at the Idaho State Police Crime Lab changed everything, 184 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: an unexpected discovery that finally pushed the investigation forward. To 185 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: walk us through that turning point, here again is Detective 186 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: Hugh Powell, joined by Katie's Studio's producer Bankston. 187 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: We found out that our lab down in Boise had 188 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: found like a single source mail DNA off the sheet 189 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and so that was exciting. We're like, oh sweet, And 190 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: so we were hoping we were going to find someone 191 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: fairly early, you know, but not understanding that whole process. 192 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was the first time I've ever worked 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: a case like this, you know, where you're going to 194 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: find out who your suspect is through a DNA source 195 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: that you collected at the crime scene. And then in 196 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: December when finally we are in the meeting with my 197 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: sergeant Darren and everybody else FBI all the way down 198 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: to the Moscow PD and with ISP and they're like, 199 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: this doesn't go anywhere. You don't talk to your wife, 200 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: you don't talk to anybody about this, you know, don't 201 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: search his name. And they talked to us how they 202 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: were able to get to the pointe we're at now 203 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: to where we had a suspect. When the name finally 204 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: came up, they're like, well, this Brian Coberger is like 205 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: oh lo, and behold he has this white launtra So 206 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: that was a box that it checked, you know. And 207 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: then oh, he's a student at WSU that checked a. 208 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: Box out right. 209 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 3: I can't imagine how exciting that must have been, just 210 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: to seeing all of these little investigative puzzle pieces finally 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: starting to really fit together, and. 212 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, he was a criminology student, you know, 213 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and all these things started lining up, like, well, why 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: was the crime scene so clean? Well, this guy, you know, 215 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,119 Speaker 1: this is what he obsessed about criminology and how criminals 216 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: reacted to when they committed these crimes, and how they 217 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: almost got you know, away with them, or how they 218 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: were able to do these things with you know, leaving 219 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: the least amount of evidence behind, you know. So it 220 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: was really interesting when all this stuff came out, and 221 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: then it was kind of like that Aha. I was like, oh, yeah, 222 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: we're ninety nine percent sure this is our guy. So 223 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: that was, man, you talk about a weight kind of 224 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: off everybody's shoulders, you know, even though we knew we 225 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: still had a bunch of more work to do, it 226 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: was finally we have someone to concentrate all this effort, 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: all this manpower, all this knowledge and experience into Now 228 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: we get to dig into truly who this guy is. 229 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Once we found out who he was, then I was 230 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: assigned to interviewing some of the students there or people 231 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: that he had had contact phone numbers that were in 232 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: his phone that we were able to link back to 233 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: people in the Moscow Pullman area. 234 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: Detective HW Powell conducted dozens of interviews as part of 235 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: the Brian Coberger investigation. Many of those conversations have only 236 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: recently been made public in the Idaho State Police document release. 237 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: We're going to take a closer look at exactly what 238 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: those interviews reveal and what they can tell us about 239 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: the case. 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: One of the reports that you had written that I 241 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: found especially interesting is apparently you had interviewed someone who 242 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: said that he talked with Brian Coberger about capitalism or socialism, 243 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: you know, vegetarianism. 244 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: It was his neighbor where he lived at his apartment, 245 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: because his number was in Brian's phone, and so this 246 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: is how we were able to track this person down. 247 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: And there was like text messages between the two and 248 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: so I guess him and Brian would chat either in 249 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: the parking lot or near their like interests, to their 250 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: apartment complex or whatever, and they ended up I wouldn't say, 251 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: like befriending each other. I think they were just more 252 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: like acquaintances and they would talk about you know, school 253 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: and maybe similar interests and things of that nature. But 254 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: it was interesting, you know, we got to learn some 255 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: of the things about Brian Coburger and like you know 256 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: that yes, he was indeed a vegetarian, which is whatever, 257 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: that's no big deal. But then he only ate one 258 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: meal a day. And as we started to learn more 259 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: about Brian early on, in his early teens or whatever, 260 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: he you know, had struggled with his weight and everything else. 261 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: So that was kind of interesting to learn. And then 262 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: I think they talked about like where they like to 263 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: go hike or run or whatever, and got to learn 264 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: some things about Brian and their communications and his kind 265 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: of more daily activities. 266 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: Did he say anything about his impressions of Brian's personality, 267 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: like saying, oh, he was kind of awkward, he felt off, 268 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: he was weird. Did he say anything like that. 269 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: He did kind of say that he was kind of 270 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: I think if it was like introverted. Yeah, they talked 271 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: about like to talk about politics, about capitalism, socialism, because 272 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: I believe the person his neighbor, he was from Iran, 273 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: so that was kind of interesting and that how Brian 274 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: Coberger thought partying was a complete waste of time. And 275 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: since you know, Brian was from America, this guy was 276 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: from Iran. I think they talked about some of the 277 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: more political issues between the two or the differences. 278 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: There's another report that she did too that I thought 279 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: was interesting, where there was the famous pool party that 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: he attended right before the year started. It apparently you 281 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: would talk to a girl who got trapped in a 282 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: conversation with Brian Coberger, which sounds like an awful place 283 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: to be, and he just kept like going on and 284 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: on about personality tests and what they mean, and she 285 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: just didn't know how to get away. Can you tell 286 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: me a little bit about that interview? 287 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: And that was interesting with her because when we first 288 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: initially contacted her, she had no idea what it was about. 289 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: And then when we asked, let go, do you remember 290 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: this person's name? And she's like, well, no, And we 291 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: had already interviewed some other people from the pool party, 292 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: and so I was just like, well, maybe he had 293 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: contacted her at the pool party. So I was like, 294 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: do you remember like attending a pool party this last 295 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: summer or late early fall or whatever. And she's like, 296 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and it's like a light bulb went 297 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: on in her head and she completely was like, I 298 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: remember this guy. He had came up to me and 299 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: he wanted to talk about this survey. He wanted me 300 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: to answer for him, you know, And she's like, I'm 301 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: at a party, I'm with my friends. I don't want 302 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: to be talking about this survey of people's personalities or whatever. 303 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: She's like, that's kind of weird, and she's just I'm 304 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: here to have a good time, and she kind of yeah, 305 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: she felt very awkward around him, and even though she 306 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: gave him his phone number so he could send her 307 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: the survey or whatever. And then I think he contacted 308 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: her later after the party and asked her if she 309 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: had had a chance to do that survey, and she 310 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't. I didn't have a chance, 311 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: and I don't intend to, you know, something of that nature. Yeah, 312 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting, and that was kind of like, 313 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, people at the pool party kind of had 314 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: like the same general ideas like why is this guy 315 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: wanting to talk to us about these things at a party? 316 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's not normal, you know what I mean. So, 317 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: and then as we learned more about Brian Koberger, well 318 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: he just he wasn't normal. His very awkward communicator and 319 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: definitely was lacking some social cues. 320 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, this one is super interesting to me too. 321 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: The hotel's day back in June and July twenty twenty two, 322 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: when he had first kind of came out west with 323 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: his dad to move into college, to move into first 324 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: PhD program. They checked into a hotel together. 325 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he did stay at a hotel, and I 326 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: believe his father was the one that initially had made 327 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: the reservation, and I think it was close to upon 328 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: checkout he noticed that they had overcharged him, and so 329 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: he came down and talked to the lady at the 330 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: front desk, and then they were able to work through 331 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: fixing his bill and getting it straightened out. And then 332 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: he got angry yet because they just didn't seem to 333 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: be able to do anything correctly, at least up to 334 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: his standard. I guess the lady's story of the event 335 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: was kind of all over the place. She wanted to 336 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: talk about that Brian wanted to show his nice collection 337 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: to her, you know, and I was talking about, you know, 338 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: the sheath, and he had this really nice leather sheath 339 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: he wanted to shore. And then he said he was 340 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: meeting some girl named Maddie. So it was just kind 341 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: of like all these things that she was talking about. 342 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: It was apparent that she had read the PC affidavit 343 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: for his arrest and then wanted to come and interject herself. 344 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: Into the investigation, and not to say that she didn't 345 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: have anything relevant to add to the investigation, but you 346 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: had to kind of sift through what was maybe fabricated 347 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: and what was true. 348 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: Detective Powell was also expected to be called to the 349 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: stand if Brian Coberger's case ever went to trial. In 350 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: the spring of twenty twenty five, Coburger's defense team pushed 351 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: to have four alternate suspects introduced as part of their strategy. 352 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: It was a bold move, one designed to cast doubt 353 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: on the States case. Among those four individuals, one stood 354 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: out in particular that lead with Someone's Detective Powell himself 355 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: had investigated closely. 356 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: So Kaylee's father had called in a tip to us 357 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: actually about you know, some stalkers. Potentially she had called 358 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: her dad and said, Hey, there's this guy at Winko 359 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: that was kind of stalking me. And so me and 360 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: my partner we were tasked with going to the Winco 361 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: Foods and looking at surveillance footage to see if we could, 362 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, find Kaylee coing into that Winko, and we did. 363 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: We found Kaylee one evening entering the Winco Foods and 364 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: there was two males that were grocery shopping together and 365 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the males saw Kaylee out of the corner 366 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: of his eye and he started like kind of like 367 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: following her through the store, and that we were able 368 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: to identify the person, and he kind of followed her 369 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: almost out to her car in the parking lot, but 370 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: then it looked like he got nervous and walked away 371 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: and walked back into the store. So we were able 372 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: to pull like his debit and credit card, so he 373 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: got his name, and then we were able to run 374 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: that through the university and are like, oh, this is 375 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: the student. So we were able to track him down 376 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: and do an interview with him, and he was wanting 377 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: to ask Kaylee out on a date and he got nervous, 378 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: but he had actually done it to a couple girls 379 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: that evening because we kept watching him through the surveillance 380 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: footage in the store. Anyways, we got a bugle swab 381 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: from him and everything else, collected his DNA and nothing 382 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: came of it. But for some reason or another, the 383 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: defense wanted to say, well, this is your suspect, this 384 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: is the one who did it. So then they came 385 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: and told me, you're like, this is probably what you're 386 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: going to be testifying to at the trial, you know, 387 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: so you need to prepare yourself about your interviews you 388 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: did with this individual. 389 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. I remember when that was all going on, 390 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: when the defense had, you know, submitted four alternative suspects, 391 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: and then the judge, I think he said they couldn't 392 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: even be brought up at trial because the evidence just 393 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: was really wasn't there are you know, no DNA. 394 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So that's what I was kind of preparing for. 395 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: But then when it came out, it's like, yeah, that's 396 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: we don't have anything. The judge wasn't going to allow 397 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: them to be named as suspects. So I think that 398 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: was like the defense is kind of like last straw. 399 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: They're like, oh man, we don't have any suspects. 400 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: You know, let's stop here for a break. We'll be 401 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: back in a moment. On June twenty sixth, twenty twenty five, 402 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: Judge Stephen Hibler denied Brian Coberger's motion to introduce alternate 403 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: suspects at trial. For many, this was the final blow, 404 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: the moment his defense strategy unraveled. With their last major 405 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: move stripped away, Coburger's legal team had no choice but 406 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: to give in. 407 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: I was actually down in Boise at the time. I 408 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: didn't even know that they were having a plea hearing. 409 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: And then literally minutes before it was supposed to take place, 410 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: my sergeant who was down there for he called me 411 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, you might hear something in the news. 412 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you a heads up out 413 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: of respect for like the work and everything that you've 414 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: done and helped with this. And then literally half hour 415 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: later it starts hitting the news and stuff. As I 416 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: started thinking about it, It's one to get found guilty 417 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: by your peers by a jury, but it's another thing. 418 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I think it's closure to someone that you know who 419 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: did it. They have to get up there and they 420 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: have to be like, yes, I'm guilty of these crimes, 421 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: you know. And I know it wasn't for like all 422 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: the family members didn't quite necessarily agree with that, But 423 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: I'll say this, I was like, any state that has 424 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: the death penalty, they're horrible about going through with it 425 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: putting somebody to death. You know, those persons are going 426 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: to be on death row for twenty thirty years during 427 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: all these appeals, and you know it's going to cost 428 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: the state tens of millions of dollars to its taxpayers, 429 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: and then also all every single time an appeal comes up, 430 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: that family's going to be brought to relive this whole 431 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: nightmare all over again, and it's going to keep happening 432 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: for twenty or thirty years. Well, now there's there isn't 433 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: any of that. He's guilty. He's spending his rest of 434 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: his life in prison with no chance of parole, and 435 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: he can't appeal it ever. And so I mean, I 436 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: think there's some closure when it comes to that. 437 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: You know, only speculate, But do you have any theories 438 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: on what his motive could have been or do you 439 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: think it's one of those things where we just might 440 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: never know. 441 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us in office have our theory. 442 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: We kind of all agree that he was wanting to 443 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: test out his own theory and thesis that he had 444 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: been studying and written about. He wanted to know what 445 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: it felt like because he's doing these surveys, you know, 446 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: like how does somebody feel after they commit a crime? 447 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: How did they feel before or how did they feel after? 448 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: And I think he was, you know, a very sick, 449 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: twisted person who wanted to act those things out and 450 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: find out for himself, and he found the softist, most 451 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: vulnerable people that were in college. They were there to 452 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: get an education and make new friends and make life memories. 453 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: And then he walks into that and totally ruins it 454 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: and destroys for families' lives. 455 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: As you look back on it now and you've solved 456 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: it and it's the cases closed, what lessons have you learned? 457 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: And how does it feel to have worked on something 458 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: like this with so many other amazing agencies to bring 459 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: closure to these families. 460 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just the satisfaction of being able 461 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: to solve the who done it? A true who done it? Case, 462 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: and be able to work with so many amazing people 463 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: and to be able to see what true teamwork can accomplish. 464 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you all put your egos and opinions 465 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: aside and you all have a common goal that you 466 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: able to work towards and accomplish. At the FBI, Moscow 467 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: Police Department and just everybody, even the law enforcement out 468 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: where we were able to arrest Brian Koeberg who helped 469 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: transport him out there, I mean, just phenomenal, phenomenal interagency 470 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: cooperation and is really unfortunate that what happened happened, but 471 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm super pleased with the outcome and I hope the 472 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: families realized the hard work that was put in to 473 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: be able to seek justice for them. 474 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: More on that next time. For more information on the 475 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at Kat 476 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: Underscore Studios. 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