WEBVTT - Kate Micucci

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<v Speaker 1>I's all that's okay because no one here.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Hello everyone, It is once again time for teen

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<v Speaker 2>Beat with Daniel Fishle and lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>For this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Daniel Fishle, and this is a podcast where

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<v Speaker 2>I sit down with interesting people, hoping to turn the tables,

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<v Speaker 2>forcing them to share their own awkward teenage stories with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as a child, I performed from millions of people

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<v Speaker 2>and a weekly salary, trading in my pre pubescence for

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<v Speaker 2>a national sitcom fame. And so now thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it like this. I gave you my childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time we hear yours. And this week I'm joined

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<v Speaker 2>by a guest who, in adulthood, paints on trash, plays

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<v Speaker 2>the ukulele, and is one of the funniest people I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can only.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine we're in for an incredible childhood. You've seen this

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<v Speaker 2>adorable dynamo on TV shows like How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs,

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<v Speaker 2>Raising Hope, and The Big Bang Theory, where she played

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<v Speaker 2>Raj's love interest Lucy, and she's a prolific voice actress.

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<v Speaker 3>Heard is Velma in the modern Scooby Doo.

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<v Speaker 2>Franchise webby Vanderquak on ducktails, and she's even somehow the

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<v Speaker 2>voice of Clayface in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Lego Batman movie. Not sure how that works.

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<v Speaker 2>She was one half of the legendary musical comedy duo

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<v Speaker 2>garfunkeln Oates and released her debut solo album of music

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<v Speaker 2>for kids called My Hat in twenty twenty three, and

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<v Speaker 2>now yet another creative endeavor to excel in her first

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<v Speaker 2>ever children's book, The Monster and Puppet Show, was just

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<v Speaker 2>released and is available everywhere. What is left for this

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<v Speaker 2>pocket sized genius The teen Beat podcast, of course. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the Show actress, artist, author, musician, comedian and friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Kate mccouchee.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Oh my gosh, Danielle.

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<v Speaker 5>That was just like the most heartwarming intro and I

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<v Speaker 5>thank you so much. That was so that was really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for saying those kind things.

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<v Speaker 3>You're so welcome. They are all true.

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<v Speaker 2>You have led such an incredible, wonderful, beautiful life and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to learn more about where it all

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<v Speaker 2>started in your childhood.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so excited to dive in. I'm just so thrilled

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<v Speaker 5>to be here. It's great to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, it's been a minute, so really nice

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<v Speaker 4>to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice to see you. It has been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned a few of your most notable voice over roles,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't even touch on dog Man or Angry

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<v Speaker 2>Birds or Adventure Time. I mean, the list truly feels

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<v Speaker 2>like it never ends. Were you a cartoon kid?

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was very much a TV kid, okay, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>every Sunday the TV Guide would come in the newspaper

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<v Speaker 5>and my mom would hand me the TV Guide and say,

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<v Speaker 5>here's your.

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<v Speaker 4>Bible, and then I would circle my whole week.

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<v Speaker 5>And I loved old movies and so, you know, but

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<v Speaker 5>I also, you know, just everything you know, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I watched a lot, a lot of TV, and I

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<v Speaker 5>did watch a lot of cartoons, Scooby Doo being my

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<v Speaker 5>favorite of all. And so when I got to actually

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<v Speaker 5>be in Scooby Doo and play Velma, that was, like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, truly a dream come true.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember did you have to audition for it

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<v Speaker 3>or did they offer it to you? I did.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to audition, and it was one of those

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<v Speaker 5>things that came through. And it was when we were

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<v Speaker 5>shooting the Garfunkle and Notes TV show, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>I you know that that time was like an impossible schedule,

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<v Speaker 5>and I got the call that they wanted me to audition,

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<v Speaker 5>and I thought, oh my gosh, what a dream I

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<v Speaker 5>would I would love to have that part. And so

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<v Speaker 5>I auditioned, and I remember being a my closet, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>recording it and sending it in, and then they had

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<v Speaker 5>some notes and so I said, I really want.

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<v Speaker 4>To get to these notes.

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<v Speaker 5>I honestly don't know if I'll be able to get

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<v Speaker 5>to them before next weekend. So the next weekend they

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<v Speaker 5>waited for me, which was so nice, and then I

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<v Speaker 5>went back into my closet, and then I remember getting

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<v Speaker 5>the call and I was at a park we were shooting,

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<v Speaker 5>and I got the call that I got Velma, and

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<v Speaker 5>I did a dance around a tree.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I love those moments where that is something you from

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<v Speaker 2>the time you were a kid. Did it ever occur

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<v Speaker 2>to you as a kid, like, hey, I could do that,

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<v Speaker 2>someone is playing these voices and I want to or

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<v Speaker 2>could do that, Or then when it ended up coming

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<v Speaker 2>true for you that you get to play Velma from

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite cartoon, does it just feel like, how is

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<v Speaker 2>this even my life?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>I have those moments all the time, I wonder. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you've been doing this since you were a kid, so

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<v Speaker 5>it was so much of your childhood that maybe it

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<v Speaker 5>maybe doesn't seem as like fantastical or crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 5>You have those moments everyone does where You're like, how

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<v Speaker 5>is this happening right now? But there are times with

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<v Speaker 5>Scooby Doo where we would all be in the studio,

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<v Speaker 5>Gray and Matt Lillard and Frank Welker, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm with these legends and I would just close my

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<v Speaker 5>eyes and I'd think, oh my gosh, I'm I'm with

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<v Speaker 5>these voices.

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<v Speaker 4>This is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>And Frank Welker, who plays Scooby and Fred, has been

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<v Speaker 5>doing it since the very beginning, so we all grew

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<v Speaker 5>up listening to his voice and Scooby Doo among a

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<v Speaker 5>thousand to other things, and I would just close my

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<v Speaker 5>eyes and then I'd be like, oh, it's my line, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>And it was just the coolest feeling. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>there's definitely I have those moments a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>It's you know, it's a cool thing.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I'm sure do you have a good like,

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<v Speaker 5>do you have a moment whre you're like, I can't

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<v Speaker 5>believe this. I'm sure with like even Dancing with the Star,

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<v Speaker 5>many times you're probably like, what is my life right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But you know the I think the closest one

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<v Speaker 2>I have for that was when I started hosting the

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<v Speaker 2>Dish for the Style Network. I was such a huge

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<v Speaker 2>fan of the soup when I was like going back

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<v Speaker 2>to Greg kinnear, I mean the very beginning of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have always loved the soup.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then when I heard, oh, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a similar show but on the Style Network, and

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<v Speaker 2>they want it to be hosted by a woman, and

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<v Speaker 2>they want you to meet for it, it was like, what,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never wanted a job more. I know this job,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with this job, like, I want this.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels perfect for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then when you accomplish the goal and you book,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have the meeting, and you there's always

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<v Speaker 2>for me, at least, it's always seemed like in every

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<v Speaker 2>job that I've had that I've loved, there's always a

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<v Speaker 2>moment where I think I don't have it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or I really don't have it, like in that case

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<v Speaker 2>hosting the Dish, I did the meeting, they really liked me,

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<v Speaker 2>but they had already had someone else on contract, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were basically worried that contract wasn't going to work

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<v Speaker 2>out because the person they had picked maybe going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a different show she was in first position for,

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<v Speaker 2>and so then they were like, oh, that show's not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>She is going to host this show. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have it, and like months went by of me

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like I wanted it so bad and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it, and then it all changed and she did

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<v Speaker 2>leave to go do a different show, and they called

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<v Speaker 2>me and said it's yours, and just I couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was my life. So yeah, that's that's I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>my god, when those moments happen, it's such a it

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<v Speaker 2>feels so good, I feel. I always feel like they're

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<v Speaker 2>little signs that you're on the right path.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely, I so agree. And I like even just as

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<v Speaker 5>you're telling the story, I could feel your happiness and

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<v Speaker 5>excitement about like, like me, then you always have that

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<v Speaker 5>that moment to like just like you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>feeling down and you can remember that moment and be

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<v Speaker 5>like oh right, yes, Like it's a it's a gift

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<v Speaker 5>in so many ways, and yeah, I feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>those little like happy little dances you know, in our

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<v Speaker 5>in our closet or whatever, like those, It just those

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<v Speaker 5>are the magic moments sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely picture your dance around the tree, akin to Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>Kidman dancing after she'd finally divorced Tom Goats.

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<v Speaker 4>Those photos are incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the greatest photos.

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<v Speaker 4>Just great.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know that I believe that it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>right after the doors.

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<v Speaker 3>I just know whatever it was, she's so happy. I

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<v Speaker 3>just love that for.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, you know, Yes, yes, I don't think I'm speaking

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<v Speaker 2>out of turn when I say that you have always

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<v Speaker 2>had a forever young aura about you.

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<v Speaker 3>When you were a teenager, did you look like a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to imagine how you could possibly look younger

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<v Speaker 2>than you do.

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<v Speaker 4>I that's thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I it's funny because I just still I mean, I

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<v Speaker 5>think I hear people in their eighties and nineties talk

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<v Speaker 5>about this where you still feel like you're in your

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<v Speaker 5>twenties or something, But I think I do. I was

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<v Speaker 5>trudging through the snow last night. I'm in New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>It is just a beautiful snowstorm right now. And last

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<v Speaker 5>night I was like I've got to go out. I've

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<v Speaker 5>got to go play in the snow, because it was

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<v Speaker 5>really good packing snow and I just was running through

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<v Speaker 5>the snow by myself and I really was like, I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Fourteen, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the coolest thing is I you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>great thing about the cities, you just people are friendly

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<v Speaker 5>and they talk and I ended up making a ten

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<v Speaker 5>foot snowman with like ten other people and it was

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<v Speaker 5>this incredible night. And but yeah, I do think I think,

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<v Speaker 5>well to that point, I think we're all kids, Like

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<v Speaker 5>this was a bunch of grown ups making a snowman,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't know that. I mean, I think as

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<v Speaker 5>I get older, I'm more aware that the things that

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<v Speaker 5>I make really come from that childlike place.

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<v Speaker 4>It's you know, it's not intentional, it never really was.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just sort of naturally what happens when I make

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<v Speaker 5>art or music. It just is, you know, I'm if

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<v Speaker 5>it's coming from that core place and me it's usually

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<v Speaker 5>childlike in some way.

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<v Speaker 4>Recently, some one posted I love this.

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<v Speaker 5>I should have like screen grabbed it because now, who

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<v Speaker 5>the I don't know where it is, but it said

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<v Speaker 5>that twelve year old is nearly fifty.

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<v Speaker 6>That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, wow, no, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so it's to me, it's so inspiring because it

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<v Speaker 2>is very clear that you still have like a direct

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<v Speaker 2>pipeline to your childlike self, to the child within you,

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<v Speaker 2>and for so many of us, as we get older,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes harder and harder to access that childlike part

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<v Speaker 2>of us. And I was reading Actually Captain Underpants to

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<v Speaker 2>my six and a half year old the other night,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were in the chapter part of the book

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<v Speaker 2>where he specifically mentions, you know, how adult anytime you

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<v Speaker 2>get a group of kids together and they start having fun,

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you within a couple of moments, some adult

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<v Speaker 2>will come over and tell you to quiet down, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stop doing that. And he was like, don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe me, Go try it. Go in a corner with

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<v Speaker 2>your friends and start giggling and having too much fun

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<v Speaker 2>and just wait and see. And other as I'm reading

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<v Speaker 2>is going yep, yep, that's true. And I thought, yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have as direct access to that childlike part

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<v Speaker 2>of me anymore, and I don't like, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think there's anything you do to continue to cultivate it?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is it just naturally who you are. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it probably is who I am in a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of ways. I also really love trying to bring

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<v Speaker 5>people in in moments that can be celebrated, even if

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<v Speaker 5>they're like silly. Like I'm always the first to like

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<v Speaker 5>like start like cheering or clapping at something that might

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<v Speaker 5>like I don't know, Like, they had a thing called

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<v Speaker 5>Mulchfest here in New York where they they take all

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<v Speaker 5>the Christmas trees. People bring the Christmas trees to a

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<v Speaker 5>certain spot and then they bring these multures and they

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<v Speaker 5>like hand out bags and they just you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>trees get shopped into mulch and it's called Mulchfest. I've

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<v Speaker 5>never been to Mulchfest. I'm need to New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>So I said, I have a six year old as well,

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<v Speaker 5>and I said, let's go to mulch Fest.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was like, yeah, mulch Fest. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know what it was going to be.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was for most of the time just me

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<v Speaker 5>and my son Mikey watching the multure, but then we

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<v Speaker 5>like started cheering, like as the tree. I was like yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and then like we just like started making it a thing,

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<v Speaker 5>and then more people like started watching and then like

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<v Speaker 5>we made it a little moment. And then the guys

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<v Speaker 5>who were doing the mult were like, this is really funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is great. By the way, he thinks, it's

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<v Speaker 3>helping us. It's giving us motivation to keep mulching these trees. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know. I mean, that's just an example

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<v Speaker 4>of like I just I think too. I just try

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<v Speaker 4>to appreciate things, and.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know as far as the kid like stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>I I I hope I always feel I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>So far in my forty five years, I still kind

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<v Speaker 5>of feel the same, So I guess I hopefully it

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<v Speaker 5>will continue.

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<v Speaker 4>The other day, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Walking down the street and there was this woman and

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<v Speaker 5>she was she had a cane and she was moving

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<v Speaker 5>kind of slow, and I said, oh, hi, how you doing,

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<v Speaker 5>and she goes, I'm great. And then like a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of minutes, a couple beats later, she turned to me

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<v Speaker 5>and goes, isn't it funny. I said, I'm great. I've

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<v Speaker 5>got a cane and I'm moving so slow. I said, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>look great.

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought to myself.

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<v Speaker 5>She had this youthful way about her, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I hope I'm like her.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea, when I'm her age. You know, it's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>I love too that she realized like she probably hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>thought like how am I or you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you pointed it out and her natural response was I'm great.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she thought, I wonder what I looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>To that woman who asked, And what I looked like

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<v Speaker 2>is an older woman walking slowly with a cane.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet the truth is I'm great. I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really sweet.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I don't know, I feel like and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure you know, having kids, I was always very excited

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<v Speaker 5>to be a mom because I always wondered what I

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<v Speaker 5>would make with my kid, and I also wondered, like

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<v Speaker 5>what I would be like with my kid? Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 5>it does. It is a good way to tap in,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. But yeah, yeah, Captain Underpants is.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are well For as young of an aura as you have,

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<v Speaker 2>you also have very old fashioned taste. You play the ukulele,

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<v Speaker 2>You had an educational focus on puppetry.

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<v Speaker 3>And you are an expert in sand castle building. Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mentioned all of this to ask were you

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<v Speaker 2>a popular kid?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Shocking, No, I was not, although I was kind of

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<v Speaker 5>I just kept to myself.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I was very shy.

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<v Speaker 5>I I spent every lunch I could in the in

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<v Speaker 5>the art room, and which is like one of those

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<v Speaker 5>cliches you hear, but it was very true. And I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of knew everyone, and I was I think friendly,

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<v Speaker 5>but I never got like asked for the party or

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<v Speaker 5>you know, any of that kind of thing. And I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want to. I think that was my protective way

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<v Speaker 5>about being I was like, oh, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Want that anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was a way of protecting myself that I

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't invited to things because I was like, well, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you were rejecting them rather than rejecting you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, take that.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, But where did that like influence come from for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Were your parents into those things?

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<v Speaker 2>Like most a lot of kids, at least my kids,

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<v Speaker 2>all their reference for things that they're into come from

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<v Speaker 2>pop cul things that are cool in pop culture, what

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<v Speaker 2>their friends are into, or things that Jensen Ry are into. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, where did those interests come from for you?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>My mom was really great about taking my brother and

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<v Speaker 5>I to the library, and I think that has a

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<v Speaker 5>huge influence on me the more I think about it

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<v Speaker 5>as I get older, because we'd always be getting books

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<v Speaker 5>and reading a lot. And then my favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 5>the library was the tapes. And I'd always go to

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<v Speaker 5>the Broadway section and a big Broadway nerd, just like

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<v Speaker 5>a up all of the all of the music I

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<v Speaker 5>could get, and I just remember feeling like I could

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<v Speaker 5>get lost in those, you know, those soundtracks, and also

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<v Speaker 5>a big film score nerd. And so I think and

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<v Speaker 5>Hollywood like that was always like for me. I would

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<v Speaker 5>read People magazine and Entertainment Weekly. Those are my two

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<v Speaker 5>gateways into you know. And my school librarian in high

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<v Speaker 5>school used to save me those two magazines so that

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<v Speaker 5>i'd get the old week old copies. You'd give them

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<v Speaker 5>to me every week and I'd save them. And I think,

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<v Speaker 5>just like living in this pretend world. I grew up

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<v Speaker 5>in a small town in Pennsylvania, yet I like dreamt

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, I dreamt of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>I never thought.

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<v Speaker 5>I just loved I loved the idea of it, and

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<v Speaker 5>I loved, you know, I love movies, and I saw

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<v Speaker 5>everything I could, and I guess I lived very much

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<v Speaker 5>in a pretend world.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess in a way.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also was just genuinely happy making things. I

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<v Speaker 5>was always painting and drawing, and I had a really

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<v Speaker 5>cool train set, but like to paint a picture my

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen the summer I was sixteen, the majority of my

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<v Speaker 5>summer was in that basement making a train set. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's really that kind of says it all, I guess

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<v Speaker 5>right there. But like even in the train set, I

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<v Speaker 5>had like my Hollywood imagination and like oh and like

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<v Speaker 5>Jim Carrey like lived behind this, like you know, it

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<v Speaker 5>was just like I had like the famous people of

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<v Speaker 5>the time living in my train set, in my imaginary world.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so yeah, I think I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't start dating really until I was twenty four,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like I was a when they say late bloomer,

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<v Speaker 5>that's really really late in the scheme of most most

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<v Speaker 5>people in life. But I've kind of always been a

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<v Speaker 5>little slow to things, and I think that's okay, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, well, I mean compared to you, when I

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<v Speaker 2>say I was, I was a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>late bloomer in the sense that I didn't really want

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<v Speaker 2>to experience. I mean, I had lots of crushes on boys,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't actually ready to act on any of

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<v Speaker 2>those feelings until later than most. But I all I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do was focus on boys like I just

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to think about them all the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to chalk to them all the time. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to write notes to them all the time. But I had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then maybe hold hands. But compared to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I think actually I was flying id a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>What you just described. I was like, oh man, I

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<v Speaker 4>wish I was that brave.

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<v Speaker 2>So brave I do want to I mean I buried

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<v Speaker 2>the lead a little bit here.

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<v Speaker 3>Sand castle building, oh right, I'm dying to know where

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<v Speaker 3>do you even pick this skill up?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>I worked at Shutters in Santa Monica, Okay, the hotel

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<v Speaker 5>on the beach.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a beautiful hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>My brother was a doorman there, and so I was

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<v Speaker 5>about I don't know, right around the time I started dating.

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<v Speaker 5>I was twenty four and my brother was working there

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<v Speaker 5>and he said, I have heard they want to start

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<v Speaker 5>doing sand castle classes. And I told them, you're really

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<v Speaker 5>good at making things in the sand. And this just

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<v Speaker 5>came from being at the beach growing up with my

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<v Speaker 5>brother he just I'd always make things in the sand,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, yeah, I could do that, but

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I was doing every.

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<v Speaker 4>Odd job possible like, so I was like sure, and

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<v Speaker 4>and then we ended up like it was a weekly class.

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<v Speaker 4>It ended up being really awesome. It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was just the funny thing about it is usually

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<v Speaker 5>it was the parents that got excited about making things

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<v Speaker 5>and the kids really didn't care at all. But so

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<v Speaker 5>I ended up making sand castles with a lot of parents.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought my kids would be very I was excited

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<v Speaker 2>to teach my kids, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's how you build a sand castle. All they want

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<v Speaker 3>to do is dig holes. Yeah, they just want it.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Dig and like watch it fill up with water and

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<v Speaker 2>then fill it back up. Or they want to be

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<v Speaker 2>covered with the sand, which is like my nightmare. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the one who wants to build a sand castle.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to need you to teach me some

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<v Speaker 2>skills next time.

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<v Speaker 4>Next next time I'm there, we can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do okay, great, next time you visit La, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>meet at the beach, so you could teach me how

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<v Speaker 2>to build a sand castle. I'm super down you would

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<v Speaker 2>assume that that might be the strangest thing you had

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<v Speaker 2>ever done to make ends meet.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I.

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<v Speaker 2>Stumble on watering banana and pineapple plants in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 5>That was Yeah, that was more of a family gig.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you could say my aunt and uncle lived

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<v Speaker 4>in Hawaii and Big I still do. They're on the

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<v Speaker 4>Big Island.

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<v Speaker 5>And I grew up in the small town, like I

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<v Speaker 5>had mentioned, never had been to Hawaii, and I had gone.

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<v Speaker 4>To a two year art school. My plan was to

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<v Speaker 4>be a toy designer.

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<v Speaker 5>And I love the movie Big and I think there

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<v Speaker 5>was a part of me that was like, I want

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<v Speaker 5>Aloft with a trampoline and a buck bed. That's the dream.

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<v Speaker 5>And I thought, well, then I'll be a toy designer.

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<v Speaker 5>But also I loved toys, so it kind of made

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<v Speaker 5>sense for me. And so I went to a two

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<v Speaker 5>year art school that had a great It was like

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<v Speaker 5>a good gateway too. Then going to school to be

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<v Speaker 5>a toy designer, yeah, here in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I just wasn't ready for.

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<v Speaker 5>The big city of New York City. I was like

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<v Speaker 5>a little scared by it. I think my dad said,

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<v Speaker 5>why don't you take some time off because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>school was expensive and trying to figure out the right school.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to make the wrong decision.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so my uncle, my aunt, uncle and aunt in

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<v Speaker 5>Hawaii and Audrey and uncle Eddie, theyre the best.

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<v Speaker 4>They said stay with us. So I slept.

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<v Speaker 5>They had this like covered porch and I slept in

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<v Speaker 5>this giant chair. That was my bid and as my

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<v Speaker 5>way of repaying them for letting me stay there.

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<v Speaker 4>For it was only three months, but it's a good

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<v Speaker 4>chunk of time.

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<v Speaker 5>I did all of their They had huge farm of

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<v Speaker 5>like banana plants and pineapple plants, and I did all

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<v Speaker 5>the watering.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was great.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I love when family, both for your parents and your

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<v Speaker 2>aunt and uncle for them to be so supportive to

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<v Speaker 2>say one, I mean a lot of parents here that

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<v Speaker 2>their kids just spent a bunch of money on school,

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<v Speaker 2>or that they spent a bunch of money on school,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I still don't know what I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do and youth, and the the response is not maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you need to take time off, it's well and what

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<v Speaker 2>have you been? You know, there's like a different energy

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<v Speaker 2>around it.

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<v Speaker 3>But your parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Really nurtured the idea that you needed to take your

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<v Speaker 2>time and that you needed to really feel good about whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the next step for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So they encouraged you to take that time off and

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<v Speaker 2>then for you to have an aunt and uncle to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>come be with us for three months and figure it

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<v Speaker 2>out and think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. I think there's so much pressure put on

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<v Speaker 5>kids to just you know, they're expected to know what they.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to be.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, and these days, I think everything's changing so

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<v Speaker 5>quickly that who knows, like what jobs are going to

0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 5>look like, Like it's so hard to know what you

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<v Speaker 5>want to be.

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<v Speaker 4>And I still every day I'm like, what am I today?

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<v Speaker 5>Like, you know, I'm very fortunate that I get to

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<v Speaker 5>jump around and try a lot of things, and I

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<v Speaker 5>know that's a really lucky thing. But I feel like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's always great to just be open kind

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<v Speaker 5>of And I think that was the idea in Hawaii too,

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<v Speaker 5>where I was just like I ri at universe, like

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<v Speaker 5>send me some signs, and it really I got some

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<v Speaker 5>signs while I was one, being that my grandpa, who

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<v Speaker 5>was also there at the time, bought me a ukulele

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<v Speaker 5>and that's when I started playing ukulele.

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<v Speaker 4>So and you know, almost cliche that.

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<v Speaker 5>I started playing the ukulele in Hawaii, but it led

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<v Speaker 5>to a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly that led to so many things. For you

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<v Speaker 2>is that when I first realized you were a musician.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I grew up playing classical piano.

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.199
<v Speaker 5>So I think maybe the classical piano part of my

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 5>life also feeds into my being just sort of a

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<v Speaker 5>solitary person.

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<v Speaker 4>But I grew up competing.

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<v Speaker 5>My brother and I both competed with piano, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>was practicing. My mom really was very strict about it,

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 5>and so we had to practice at least an hour

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<v Speaker 5>a day. And yeah, by the time I was a

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<v Speaker 5>senior in high school, I was probably practicing close to

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<v Speaker 5>three hours a day and I and then I just

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<v Speaker 5>stopped for a while. I started taking it again in college.

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<v Speaker 5>But I am just so grateful that I have that training,

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<v Speaker 5>because I think my classical training, I don't have it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there's a few pieces I still have in

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<v Speaker 5>my memory, but it's more that I apply it to

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of other things that I do, even just

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<v Speaker 5>how I look at a script or you know, a project,

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<v Speaker 5>or like how do I kind of see it like

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<v Speaker 5>I do music.

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<v Speaker 4>In a way I wish I.

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<v Speaker 2>Could get my children to focus on anything for even

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<v Speaker 2>close to an hour. Yeah, I apparently am not being

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>strict enough, because who that would be an absolute fight.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 2>We try to just do homework or you know, practice

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 2>reading and writing for thirty minutes a day, and boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think I was holding their hands to a fire.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel you we are in the same boat, you

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<v Speaker 5>and I. Yeah, my son does not want to do

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean the reading homework. If we get through it,

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<v Speaker 5>and like as soon as we're done, it's like it's over.

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 5>But yes, but I think I wonder, like, you know,

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 5>by the time I started playing piano at four and

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 5>Mikey is six, and I don't know, like I don't

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 5>know when. I really really hope that he'll have.

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 4>An instrument he focuses on.

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<v Speaker 5>But I still it's a big question mark as to

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 5>how I'm going to try to have him do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 5>My husband's a musician, so he's all around music, you know, hmm,

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 5>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel the same way. I want him to have

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 4>a focus.

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's not music, maybe it's something else, but right right,

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 5>right now, it's just flipping off the couch.

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Correct all the time, all the time. The minute he

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 2>comes home, my son throws his back back down, rips

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 2>off his shirt, and goes immediately to like jumping off

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 2>the couch, throwing them at throwing the cushions on the floor,

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 2>practicing wrestling. I'm like, Okay, this is so much boy energy.

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 5>We need to get the kids together next time. The

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 5>yes sounds like they'll really get along.

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 3>I think they will.

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And then we have my other son, Keaton, four and

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 2>a half, and he's right there with them, so I.

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Think I think the three of them will have a

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 3>blast together. You mentioned being from a small town.

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>What was high school like for young Kate mccoochee in

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<v Speaker 2>small town Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, again, I was pretty pretty shy, but I

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<v Speaker 5>have good memories of high school. I think middle school

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 5>was really rough for me. I think that was a

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 5>bad time, and looking back, I was, you know, I

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 5>just think even just like you know, it's that hormone

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 5>shift and everything else. I was just kind of lost

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 5>and sad and didn't know why. And then once I

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 5>got to ninth grade, I think my body started evening

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 5>out or something, so I started feeling like, oh okay,

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 5>and that's really when I was throwing myself into art

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 5>a lot more and you know, finding myself a bit there.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 5>But I feel like I have great memories of high school.

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 5>It was just awkward, but it wasn't bad.

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:39.719
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I think that I really loved my teachers.

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 5>My senior year, they found mold in the high school,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 5>like throughout the high school and then so I only

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 5>had school for two hours a day and that was

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 5>a whole crazy thing. So my brother and I were

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 5>ski instructors. So during the winter we'd go to school

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 5>for two hours then go skiing. Like there's like good

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 5>memories there.

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, by the way, ski instructor for high school sounds awesome.

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know we thought.

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 5>I remember my parents saying like we thought, like, you know,

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 5>gets you in like the cool kid mixed somehow.

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 4>It really my brother and I were like.

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 5>Really the nerdy ski instructors, but you know it was,

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:21.959
<v Speaker 5>you know, we were teaching little kids like I'm very

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 5>good at skiing backwards slowly.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, so that's the skill you took on from Yes, okay,

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>that's great.

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 5>So a lot of like memories of like snot and

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 5>cold gummy bears as rewards.

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and saying pizza French fries, Pizza French fries

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>as often as possible. When did your last name become

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>funny to kids?

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's interesting.

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 5>That's such a good question, because I don't. I think

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 5>it snuck up on me. I think that first of all,

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 5>I didn't know that there was like, uh, you know,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 5>a dirty connotation for my last name until I was

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 5>reading the play The Vagina Monologues, when I was like,

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't know twenty five and that word was in

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 5>a long list of words, and I was like, oh

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 5>my god, that is what that is why, that is

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 5>why they were this moment, this moment, this moment was

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 5>like a in my mind, bro. So yeah, that became

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 5>funny to me then because I was like.

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 4>How did I miss that? But I missed sheltered sheltered kid.

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.120
<v Speaker 5>But I I kids love to say my last name,

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 5>and kids love to say my full name, So among

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 5>I really kind of realized it when I was babysitting

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 5>a lot, like after college, I was babysitting to like

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 5>pay my bills, and kids always said Kate Macouchi, Kate

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 5>mcuchie and to this day. It's just a funny. It's

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 5>a fun funny thing. I don't know, but I love

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 5>that people. I love that kids know my whole name.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 5>It's very cute.

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 3>It is very cute.

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh, Jensen had a best friend growing up

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>whose name was BJ Service. Wow and wow, and none

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>of them thought it was funny or knew it was

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.959
<v Speaker 2>funny until college. And I don't know how that's possible.

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 2>But then in college they were like, Jensen was mentioning

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>him to somebody else, like, oh, well, my best friend

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>BJ Service and they were like you have a friend

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>with the name and he was like, yeah, what what

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 2>And then obviously they were like that's so funny, and

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 2>he was like what how did none of us I

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that.

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I just don't know how that's possible.

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 5>That is so amazing and and and did he He

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 5>must have had a moment BJ where he realized what

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 5>it was.

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure for.

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 5>Him what that was like was I know, yeah, he

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 5>had my my moment with the vagina monologues, there was

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 5>something Yeah, sure, he goes.

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 3>That's why they've been saying my name like that.

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you think about I know, we just talked

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>about junior high and also junior high was not my

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>favorite time in life. I think it's just rough for everyone,

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>no matter who you are. But would you have would

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 2>you say you were a confident kid?

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 4>No, Well, it's funny.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 5>I think I was both things because I was I

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 5>really in social settings. I was not whatsoever that middle

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 5>school feeling. I still talk about that middle school. There's

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 5>a lot of times in life today where I'm like, oh,

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 5>I feel like I'm in middle school right now, Like

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 5>there's this oh, it's so yeah. I don't think that I.

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:25.479
<v Speaker 5>I wasn't confident. However, when I had a chance to perform,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 5>then I was like in eighth grade, we had to

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 5>do this like presentations on presidents and I got FDR

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 5>and I just did this whole performance where I dressed

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 5>like Uncle Sam. I built this box that you had

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 5>to put a quarter in, and then the music started

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 5>and I pressed my little you know, tape player, and

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 5>then I like came out and was an animatronic Uncle

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 5>Sam as I presented this whole story on FDR, and

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 5>then I had a whole puppet sequence with FDR and

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 5>then he gets sick and he turns green and all

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 5>these things, and I remember my teacher having to.

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 4>Walk out of the room and I thought that's weird.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, oh, he must be laughing like

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 5>like that he had to probably leave to laugh. But

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 5>I in those moments, I was so excited and so

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 5>confident because I was sharing what I had made.

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's still to this day.

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 5>What is like my favorite thing is like I love

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 5>making things, but I equally love sharing them. And you know,

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 5>I'd write a song in college and then I'd run

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 5>across the dorm and knock on a dorm that you

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 5>want to hear the song I wrote, Like I was

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:31.719
<v Speaker 5>always just wanting to share this thing immediately and and

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 5>so I think I had confidence to, you know, be

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 5>an animatronic uncle Sam.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 4>And I also knew that the kids were loving it.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 5>And I remember being done with my presentation and then

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 5>a kids said if I put another quarter in, will

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 5>you do that again? And I thought, oh, I did it.

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 5>Like so I think those moments, I definitely had confidence.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 5>But when it came to like anything social, forget it.

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I didn't even like to ride the bus. I

0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 4>was really scared.

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 5>I didn't there were big kids on the bus like

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 5>it was scary to me, and my dad would drive

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 5>me in his electric van. He has an electric company,

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 5>bush Kill Electric, So we'd drive in his van and

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 5>we'd listen to Howard Stern and I thought that was

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 5>so cool and that was making me cool. But then

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<v Speaker 5>there were many times where we had to turn it off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly.

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 4>He was like, okay, turn it off.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 3>I think I might have caught something I wasn't supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the most amount of trouble you ever got

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<v Speaker 2>into as a kid?

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<v Speaker 4>H You know, I just I didn't. I was too scared.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 5>I was so fearful, and I was such a like

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 5>a people pleaser. I wanted to please my parents.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, maybe the worst thing would be like not

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 5>practicing the piano long enough or something, But that really

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 5>how alame is that I never did.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 4>I was not a rebel, not a rebel whatsoever.

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not even like I skipped practicing. You were like

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<v Speaker 2>not practicing the piano.

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 3>For the full hour. You did it for forty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Minutes and then yeah, and you were like, Nope, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the most amount of trouble I ever got into.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I like I sometimes do this thing where I

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 5>go back and I'm like, if I could go back

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 5>in time, like and do high school again or do

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 5>middle school again, Like what would I do?

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, I just wish I had.

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 5>I wish I had socialized more like and like, I

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 5>think that would have been like, you know, hanging out

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<v Speaker 5>in a parking lot at the Walmart.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, but I wish I had done that.

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 5>I didn't get that experience, but again, you know that's okay,

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I just wish I had had a little

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 5>bit more outgoingness toward other people, because I do now.

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I love it hanging out well.

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 2>And even to hear you talk about how you'd make

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a song and then run down the hall and knock

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>on the door, it's like when you felt inspired to

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 2>connect with people, you.

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Would reach out and then it would always go well.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of surprising that that amount of feedback

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<v Speaker 2>of like when I do go out of my comfort zone,

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>it's always a positive that that feedback didn't make you

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>inspired to do it. In other scenarios, you just yeah,

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you just were very choosy about when you did it.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, probably maybe a bit of fear of fear of

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 5>failing socially or something. Yeah, but I have a question

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 5>for you because you know you were in La as

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 5>it like what was the where did kids go?

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 4>Like where did teenagers go?

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 5>What was like the hot spot in la the mall

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 5>which which mall?

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 3>The Topanga Mall?

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh, how fitting it was perfect.

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I was at the Tapanga Mall every single weekend getting

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>my vanilla bean ice blended from coffee bean, going to

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Victoria's Secret.

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I you know, was not had no.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Reason for lingerie, but we would look at the Bras,

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>try on Bras, me and my best friend Jamie, and

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 2>then we'd wander around the food court get food, you know,

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 2>check in at the Charlotte Rous.

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 4>See what there was Charlotte Ruth.

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was the mall. The mall was pretty cool.

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 3>And then like in the Hollywood scene Edd Bevicks.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yes, that was on Los Sienaga, right correct. Yeah,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 5>I first moved to la that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Still there, but I think maybe for like just a

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 4>year and then it went away. But that was that

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 4>was a cool.

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 3>That was a cool hangout. We loved we loved that.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, them all and it makes me very happy

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>now because like a lot of things, you know, now

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>we're moving into the nostalgia of the early aughts. But

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>we have just been really inside a big nineties nostalgia craze.

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And as a part of that, I'm also noticing there

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>are lots of young cools at the mall. I'm still

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>at the mall every weekend. Yeah, because it's it's what

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I knows. And so I bring my kids to the

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Tapanga Mall, same mall, very very sheltered.

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Bring my kids to the Tapanga Mall.

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>We play at the arcade we you know, right on

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>the little train that's there. We wander, we see movies,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>We go to the Tapanga Social which is now like

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the elevated version of the food court, and we just

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>hang out there. And I'm pleasantly surprised by how many

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 2>young people are at the mall.

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 4>That is so fascinating. I mean that mall is gorgeous.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 5>If you can call them all gorgeous, that's probably one

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 5>of the most gorgeous malls. Like I feel like, uh,

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 5>I yeah, that makes sense, and it's still like a

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 5>comfort for you, and then.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 4>You get to share that with your kids is pretty cool.

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:22.439
<v Speaker 4>I think.

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I always wonder I daydream about like probably in

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 5>the time that I was like daydreaming about Hollywood in

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 5>the nineties, I think, what was what was it?

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 4>What was it for someone like you.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 5>A kid in the nineties, and you know you know,

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 5>And also I should I should mention I also lived

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 5>vicariously through my so called life. Oh that show was

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 5>like I like, I like dreamt of having, you know,

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 5>a cool boyfriend like Jared Leto.

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so did I Yeah, I was not that cool.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I know, I know that that was. You know,

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I joke a lot that my mom is not even

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>a joke. My mom would not let me watch nine

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>O two one Oh Melrose Place. My mom was very

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 2>much like, oh no, those kids are doing things you

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>don't even need to know about, And so I always

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>just had to pretend that I knew what my friends

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>were talking about at school and they were like, did

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you watch Oh my god, I can't believe Brenda, And

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know, And I just had to

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>pretend like I knew what was going on because I

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't allowed to watch any of it.

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, I understand that I didn't watch nine O

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 5>two and O or and like any of what I

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 5>would consider like yeah, like cool kid shows cool kid shows.

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, So.

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk to you now about the Monster

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:48.240
<v Speaker 2>and the Puppet Show. I'm so excited your first kid's book.

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>As you know, we are huge fans of your art.

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>In our house, I am the proud owner of a

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Kate mccoochee original, and now I get to introduce your

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 2>work to my boys. So tell me where where did

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the idea for this story come from?

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you for saying that.

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 5>I you know, it's it really came from from, you know,

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 5>well basically Mo Williams, who I'm a huge, huge fan of,

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 5>and I mean he truly is. He's as wonderful a

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 5>person as his books are so funny and so cool,

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 5>and he is that.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 5>And and when he was helping me figure out this

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 5>book along with his editor Tracy, who's become a great friend,

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 5>he was saying, you know, you really need to have

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 5>a story that matters and like, you know, something that's

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.919
<v Speaker 5>true to you. And this book is a lot about

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 5>protecting your energy and your creativity and like just really

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 5>kind of being true to yourself in a way.

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 4>And I think that is what I'm really proud of.

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 5>Is I feel like even grown ups, if they just

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 5>need a reminder of that. Even though this is a

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 5>kid's book, it really does have that message. And yeah,

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 5>so it really it started with it started this book

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 5>morphed a million times before we got to where we

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 5>are now. But that process alone was very fascinating and

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 5>very very fun. And I knew I wanted, you know,

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 5>this like creature to be creating.

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 4>It was like a monster creating. I wasn't sure.

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 5>And then it became a puppet, which is perfect because

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 5>I am just a big puppet person. Yes, like I said,

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 5>super cool, So I it just kind of made sense.

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 5>And my I have this puppet, Camille that I've had

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 5>for twenty five years now, and so she was really

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 5>an inspiration for this idea of you know, this, this

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 5>creature finding a puppet and then you know what comes

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 5>out of that. But uh and then I also am

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 5>really proud. I don't want to give anything away, but

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 5>there is like a fun little twist at the end,

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 5>and I, you know, I keep saying, it's sort of

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 5>like a you know, my sixth sense, but way different.

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 5>But uh, yeah, and Mo, I will say Mo was

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 5>just to work with him was truly a dream.

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 4>And I've always wanted to publish a book.

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 5>I have so many books I've written and illustrated and

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 5>I've never done anything with them.

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Som hmm.

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 5>This is a dream come true. That is happening, you know,

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 5>at forty five now, so I'm really really excited again,

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 5>late Bloomer, I guess yeah.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 3>We are also a big mo Willems house.

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>We were gifted the Piggy and Gerald Elephant and Piggy

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>series by Paul Sheer when we first had Adler. That

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 2>was their congratulations on your baby gift, and it was perfect.

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I have read every single one of them at least

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 2>a thousand times. Both my children love every single one

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>of them, and I was very excited to see that

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>in your book on the last page there is a pigeon,

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and my kids look through every book and want to

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 2>see where the pigeon is at the end of the

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Piggy and Gerald books and there are only two in

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the whole series that, for whatever reason, the pigeon doesn't

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 2>make an appearance. Oh really, and my children asked to

0:40:58.719 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 2>skip those.

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 5>I I'll try to get to the bottom of that

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 5>for you, because I don't know which ones, but yeah,

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 5>I'll find out for you.

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm invited to a party does not have a pigeon

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>appearance at the kay and so do I. Uh, and

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of what I'll figure out what

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the other one is.

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me know, I will because I.

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Have always wondered, like, how did the pigeon not make

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 2>an appearance in these? And if I pull one out,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Keaton will go is that check the back? Is that

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>one that doesn't have pigeon? And I'm like, no pigeons

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>in this ways Like, yeah, so it's I was very

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.240
<v Speaker 2>excited to see the pigeon made appearance in yours.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 4>It is it's a it's an honor to have the pigeon. Uh.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's just an honor to be uh, you know,

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 5>associated with this world and that it's an elephant and

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.320
<v Speaker 5>piggy like reading book is like, I don't know, the whole.

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Thing has been so cool. It's very exciting.

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I love that you're creating boundaries and setting boundaries for kids,

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and I love that you specifically said it's even a

0:41:55.160 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>good reminder for adults, because I truly do not think

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I ever really mastered the concept of boundaries until I

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.439
<v Speaker 2>was in my thirties. Yeah, I in my thirties. All

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I started looking around, going, why do

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I have all of these situations that pop up where

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>eventually something makes me very uncomfortable?

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 3>And I just realized, like, wow, I don't think. I

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 3>don't think.

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I was very specifically taught that I can and should

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 2>create my own boundaries around things that I'm comfortable with.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I think you mentioned being a people pleaser. Being a

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>child actor, it's almost impossible that you don't become a

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>people pleaser and that you don't always look to others

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>for what you should be.

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Doing to make them happy.

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so you're very rarely in touch with what

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you want or need or what makes you comfortable, but

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.879
<v Speaker 2>you can pretty much immediately tell what other people need

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and want for you to do. And so it was

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>really the first time in my life I was like, oh,

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I can set boundaries. So I agree with you that

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>although this is a book for kids, parents and children

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>will have something to gain from this wonderful book. So

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited for the world to be able to

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 2>get their hands on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you.

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I feel like I similar to you. I'm kind

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 5>of new to being aware of it. I think I

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 5>think having a kid really helps, for at least help

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 5>me to go, like, Okay, this is time with my

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 5>son as he's small, and it really makes you go, Okay,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 5>what do I say yes to?

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 4>What do how?

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.919
<v Speaker 5>You know, because you know, it's great to be able

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 5>to spend so much time and be there for him,

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 5>and yeah, I think but also just in life, you know,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 5>regardless of like a kid's schedule or whatever else, Like,

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 5>it's really good to know what you need as a person.

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's a yeah, it's a hard thing to do.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is.

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it takes practice. I guess I'm not quite there

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 5>yet to be honest.

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it still takes practice.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I agree, I'm but but at least to

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 2>have the recognition that we need them and we can

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 2>do it, it is good. It's like it's in the

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>forefront of our minds. Now since becoming a mother, you

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.839
<v Speaker 2>have released a kid's book and a kid's album. Did

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>you expect to find so much inspiration in motherhood?

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 4>You know, I hoped I would.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 5>I like, you know, I dreamt of having like a

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 5>room of Legos, like I like, like I just want

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 5>to like play Legos.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 4>And then it was like a reason to play. I mean,

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:33.760
<v Speaker 4>I still played legos.

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, having a kid, but I think I yeah, I

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.840
<v Speaker 5>The kid's album came about in kind of a like

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 5>I had really really bad postpartum depression and I had

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 5>Mikey in twenty twenty and in January twenty twenty, and

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 5>then I knew something was deeply wrong because I'm I

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 5>always just operating at a level that I wasn't ever

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 5>accustomed to.

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 4>It was really hard and bad.

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 5>So I went to a doctor and who had been

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 5>recommended to me for postpartum, and I said, I think

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 5>I might need, you know, some medication or something to

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 5>get me out of this fog and and and the

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 5>woman was like, no, you're fine, you just have the

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 5>baby blues. And then we went into lockdown for COVID

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 5>and so I had postpartum for oh gosh, probably a

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 5>year and a half, and oh man, I was writing

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.240
<v Speaker 5>songs for him, but actually a lot of those songs

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 5>on the record were also from like twenty years ago,

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 5>Like they're like songs I've been writing my whole life.

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 5>And my husband was so sweet because he could see

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 5>that I was struggling, and he said, why don't we

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 5>record your album? And luckily he's a music producer, so yeah,

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 5>so Jake was like, let's just go, let's just start recording.

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 5>Let's just like see how that feels. And it was

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 5>just a really sweet thing for him to do for

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 5>me because that was really when I could start to

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 5>feel it shift, you know, my Like I was like, oh, right,

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 5>I do this, I make.

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 4>Things like I can do this.

0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 5>And and then also it was it was at a

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 5>point in the pandemic where we were able to have

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 5>friends to come in and play different instruments and everything

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 5>just started feeling a little better. So my Kids album

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 5>kind of came out of that, and so in almost

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 5>a different way of you know, having a kid.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, different type of inspiration, yes, exactly.

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 5>But I'm really like making that album was just so

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 5>much fun. And we were all in a like we

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 5>did it live to tape, so we were all in

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 5>the same room and I'm singing, and our friend Brendan

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 5>was on drums, and my husband's on bass, and my

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 5>friend Sean's and guitar were just like in a circle

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 5>playing and recording, and it felt so alive and like

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 5>just really fresh and fun. And I think I'm very

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 5>proud of the album, so you should be thanks. But

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.440
<v Speaker 5>then and then on the day that the album came out,

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 5>I found out I had lung cancer.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 3>So that was a whole thing.

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 5>But then that brings a whole other you know, appreciation

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 5>for life. And I know you went through your version

0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 5>of that and how lucky are we? And you know, yeah,

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 5>I know it gives a whole new perspective on things.

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, absolutely, how are you doing now? What was

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>your treatment and how's everything looking for you?

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing really great.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna knock on my head because you know, it's

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 5>like there's always that little fear in the back. But

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 5>I did just have my six month scan last week,

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.799
<v Speaker 5>so I leave feeling like, okay, I'm okay right now.

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 5>But I was diagnosed with lung cancer. I've thought that's

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 5>insane because I've never smoked a cigarette in my life.

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 5>That couldn't be And you know, to this point, I've

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 5>talked about this a little on like my Instagram and stuff.

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 5>But I they told me I needed to go to

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 5>the lung doctor because they had found a spot when

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 5>I got a routine heart scan and they said, you

0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 5>looks like you have something dangerous in your lung. And

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 5>I just thought, there's no way, Like, I've never smoked

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 5>a cigarette in my life. So I didn't go to

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 5>the doctor, and I let a lot of time go by,

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 5>and and then to my GP, my great doctor just

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 5>who's on top of it. He called me, like, you know,

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 5>months later and said, what are you doing. You haven't

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:07.800
<v Speaker 5>gone to the doctor. You need to go to the

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.839
<v Speaker 5>lung doctor. And I said, oh, really okay, and it

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 5>thank God because I you know, and it but they

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 5>ended up taking twenty percent of my right lung out and.

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 4>That was all I had to do.

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I say, yeah, oh, the recovery was.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 4>I kept being like, I'm fine, I'm totally fine.

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 5>But I i'd say it took a good six months

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 5>to feel like I was kind of put together again.

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 5>So I was very tired. But that is a very lucky,

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 5>lucky scenario that it was found. Really it was able

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 5>to just you know, be taken out and I didn't

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 5>need to do anything else.

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:47.959
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I've been cancer.

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 5>Free basically since I had the surgery, and it's been

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:54.760
<v Speaker 5>two years now, so I feel very lucky.

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 4>How how are you and how is your health similar?

0:48:57.880 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Similar?

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I only had to have two lumpectomies in twenty days

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 2>of radiation.

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 4>So oh that's one.

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't need chemo, and I have had multiple

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:14.240
<v Speaker 2>mammograms since my surgeries and no evidence of disease.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:18.399
<v Speaker 3>So yes, pleased to say. Also, same boat.

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 2>There's always that tiny little bit of fear in between,

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they think they call it scanxiety. You know,

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 2>around the time of getting another scan, you're always like, eh, because,

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 2>like you, I had zero thought in my mind that

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 2>there could be anything wrong. I had just had a

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 2>mammogram the year before and it was clear, like and

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I was you know, I was like, I'm in my

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>early forties. As far as I was aware, breast cancer

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 2>doesn't run in my family. I had one aunt who

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 2>had also the exact same thing I ended up being

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.359
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with. But it was like she even the way

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 2>she talked about it was like, it's barely even cancer.

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 2>It's pre cancer, it's it's so it wasn't in my

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 2>mind that I would have any reason to have a concern.

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And so when you're like, wow, you you can have

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:06.359
<v Speaker 2>zero concern and still have cancer. Yeah, So yeah, there's

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 2>still some anxiety around there, but ultimately I'm in the

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>same boat. Healthy, doing well and cancer free.

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 4>So yes, I'm so happy. I'm happy.

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, talking about it is always a reminder, you know,

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 5>we're we're so fortunate and and I think you know,

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 5>for me, I like, I'm sure you probably felt the

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:27.840
<v Speaker 5>same way, where it's like, Okay, I still get to

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 5>do this, I get to do this. Is I I

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 5>remember someone asking if I was really upset, and I

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 5>was like, no, I feel like I won the lottery

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 5>or something like, like how lucky that this was almost

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.359
<v Speaker 5>a fluke in the way mine was found? And so yeah,

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:47.280
<v Speaker 5>it just really is a great reminder that to appreciate everything,

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, and yeah, I'm so glad.

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad you're doing well. And likewise, yeah, and

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 4>for anyone listening who's putting off any doctors, just go

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:58.439
<v Speaker 4>go check it out, you know, do the blood work,

0:50:58.520 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 4>do the things.

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:03.439
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, schedule the appointment, may make the time,

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.320
<v Speaker 2>prioritize yourself.

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 4>It is.

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:11.399
<v Speaker 2>I would always rather know than not know. And there's

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 2>so many things now, with so many different types of

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 2>cancers that the earlier, you know, the amount of treatments

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>out there compared to even just ten years ago.

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's night and day.

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, and I always say to friends like, just

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 5>get like you said, get the information, just like, get

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 5>all the information and then you have it and you know,

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 5>and then you can and hopefully everything's fine.

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:31.799
<v Speaker 4>And if you have a little weird thing, then you'll

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 4>go down that path and figure it out.

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just try to, Yeah, to stay on top

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 4>of it is a good thing.

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:39.520
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