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Speaker 1: I's all that's okay because no one here.

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Speaker 2: Is Hello everyone, It is once again time for teen

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Speaker 2: Beat with Daniel Fishle and lucky.

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Speaker 3: For this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am Daniel Fishle, and this is a podcast where

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Speaker 2: I sit down with interesting people, hoping to turn the tables,

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Speaker 2: forcing them to share their own awkward teenage stories with me.

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Speaker 2: Because as a child, I performed from millions of people

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Speaker 2: and a weekly salary, trading in my pre pubescence for

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Speaker 2: a national sitcom fame. And so now thirty years later,

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Speaker 2: I look at it like this. I gave you my childhood.

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Speaker 2: It's time we hear yours. And this week I'm joined

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Speaker 2: by a guest who, in adulthood, paints on trash, plays

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Speaker 2: the ukulele, and is one of the funniest people I know.

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Speaker 3: So I can only.

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Speaker 2: Imagine we're in for an incredible childhood. You've seen this

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Speaker 2: adorable dynamo on TV shows like How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs,

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Speaker 2: Raising Hope, and The Big Bang Theory, where she played

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Speaker 2: Raj's love interest Lucy, and she's a prolific voice actress.

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Speaker 3: Heard is Velma in the modern Scooby Doo.

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Speaker 2: Franchise webby Vanderquak on ducktails, and she's even somehow the

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Speaker 2: voice of Clayface in the.

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Speaker 3: Lego Batman movie. Not sure how that works.

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Speaker 2: She was one half of the legendary musical comedy duo

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Speaker 2: garfunkeln Oates and released her debut solo album of music

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Speaker 2: for kids called My Hat in twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 2: now yet another creative endeavor to excel in her first

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Speaker 2: ever children's book, The Monster and Puppet Show, was just

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Speaker 2: released and is available everywhere. What is left for this

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Speaker 2: pocket sized genius The teen Beat podcast, of course. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Show actress, artist, author, musician, comedian and friend.

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Speaker 3: Kate mccouchee.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Oh my gosh, Danielle.

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Speaker 5: That was just like the most heartwarming intro and I

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Speaker 5: thank you so much. That was so that was really beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for saying those kind things.

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Speaker 3: You're so welcome. They are all true.

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Speaker 2: You have led such an incredible, wonderful, beautiful life and

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to learn more about where it all

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Speaker 2: started in your childhood.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited to dive in. I'm just so thrilled

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Speaker 5: to be here. It's great to see you.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it's been a minute, so really nice

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Speaker 3: Nice to see you. It has been a minute.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned a few of your most notable voice over roles,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't even touch on dog Man or Angry

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Speaker 2: Birds or Adventure Time. I mean, the list truly feels

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Speaker 2: like it never ends. Were you a cartoon kid?

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was very much a TV kid, okay, And in fact,

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Speaker 5: every Sunday the TV Guide would come in the newspaper

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Speaker 5: and my mom would hand me the TV Guide and say,

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Speaker 4: Bible, and then I would circle my whole week.

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Speaker 5: And I loved old movies and so, you know, but

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Speaker 5: I also, you know, just everything you know, and so

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Speaker 5: I watched a lot, a lot of TV, and I

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Speaker 5: did watch a lot of cartoons, Scooby Doo being my

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Speaker 3: Do you remember did you have to audition for it

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Speaker 5: I had to audition, and it was one of those

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Speaker 5: shooting the Garfunkle and Notes TV show, and I was

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Speaker 5: I honestly don't know if I'll be able to get

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Speaker 4: I was so excited.

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Speaker 2: I love those moments where that is something you from

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: I have those moments all the time, I wonder. You know,

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Speaker 5: You have those moments everyone does where You're like, how

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Speaker 5: And it was just the coolest feeling. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's a cool thing.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm sure do you have a good like,

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Speaker 5: do you have a moment whre you're like, I can't

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know the I think the closest one

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Speaker 2: And so then when I heard, oh, they're going to

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Speaker 2: I've never wanted a job more. I know this job,

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Speaker 5: Definitely, I so agree. And I like even just as

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Speaker 2: Absolutely picture your dance around the tree, akin to Nicole

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Speaker 4: Those photos are incredible.

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Speaker 3: Those are the greatest photos.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know that I believe that it's actually

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Speaker 3: I just know whatever it was, she's so happy. I

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Speaker 2: Her, you know, Yes, yes, I don't think I'm speaking

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Speaker 3: When you were a teenager, did you look like a baby.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to imagine how you could possibly look younger

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Speaker 5: I it's funny because I just still I mean, I

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Speaker 5: And then the coolest thing is I you know, the

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's not intentional, it never really was.

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Speaker 2: It's so it's to me, it's so inspiring because it

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Speaker 3: Here's how you build a sand castle. All they want

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to need you to teach me some

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Speaker 4: Next next time I'm there, we can do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do okay, great, next time you visit La, we'll

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Speaker 5: was a part of me that was like, I want

442
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 5: Aloft with a trampoline and a buck bed. That's the dream.

443
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 5: And I thought, well, then I'll be a toy designer.

444
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 5: But also I loved toys, so it kind of made

445
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 5: sense for me. And so I went to a two

446
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 5: year art school that had a great It was like

447
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 5: a good gateway too. Then going to school to be

448
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 5: a toy designer, yeah, here in New York.

449
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 4: And then I just wasn't ready for.

450
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 5: The big city of New York City. I was like

451
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 5: a little scared by it. I think my dad said,

452
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 5: why don't you take some time off because you know,

453
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 5: school was expensive and trying to figure out the right school.

454
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 4: I didn't want to make the wrong decision.

455
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so my uncle, my aunt, uncle and aunt in

456
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 5: Hawaii and Audrey and uncle Eddie, theyre the best.

457
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: They said stay with us. So I slept.

458
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 5: They had this like covered porch and I slept in

459
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 5: this giant chair. That was my bid and as my

460
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 5: way of repaying them for letting me stay there.

461
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: For it was only three months, but it's a good

462
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: chunk of time.

463
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 5: I did all of their They had huge farm of

464
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 5: like banana plants and pineapple plants, and I did all

465
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 5: the watering.

466
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 4: So it was great.

467
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 3: That is so cool.

468
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: I love when family, both for your parents and your

469
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: aunt and uncle for them to be so supportive to

470
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: say one, I mean a lot of parents here that

471
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: their kids just spent a bunch of money on school,

472
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: or that they spent a bunch of money on school,

473
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: and then I still don't know what I want to

474
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: do and youth, and the the response is not maybe

475
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: you need to take time off, it's well and what

476
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: have you been? You know, there's like a different energy

477
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: around it.

478
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: But your parents.

479
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: Really nurtured the idea that you needed to take your

480
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: time and that you needed to really feel good about whatever.

481
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 3: Was the next step for you.

482
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: So they encouraged you to take that time off and

483
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: then for you to have an aunt and uncle to say, hey,

484
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: come be with us for three months and figure it

485
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: out and think about it.

486
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: That's so cool.

487
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

488
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 5: You know. I think there's so much pressure put on

489
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 5: kids to just you know, they're expected to know what they.

490
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 4: Want to be.

491
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 5: And yeah, and these days, I think everything's changing so

492
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 5: quickly that who knows, like what jobs are going to

493
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 5: look like, Like it's so hard to know what you

494
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 5: want to be.

495
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: And I still every day I'm like, what am I today?

496
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I'm very fortunate that I get to

497
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 5: jump around and try a lot of things, and I

498
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 5: know that's a really lucky thing. But I feel like,

499
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 5: you know, it's always great to just be open kind

500
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: of And I think that was the idea in Hawaii too,

501
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 5: where I was just like I ri at universe, like

502
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 5: send me some signs, and it really I got some

503
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 5: signs while I was one, being that my grandpa, who

504
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 5: was also there at the time, bought me a ukulele

505
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 5: and that's when I started playing ukulele.

506
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: So and you know, almost cliche that.

507
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 5: I started playing the ukulele in Hawaii, but it led

508
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 5: to a lot of things.

509
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly that led to so many things. For you

510
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: is that when I first realized you were a musician.

511
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: No, I grew up playing classical piano.

512
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: So I think maybe the classical piano part of my

513
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: life also feeds into my being just sort of a

514
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: solitary person.

515
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: But I grew up competing.

516
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 5: My brother and I both competed with piano, and you know,

517
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 5: was practicing. My mom really was very strict about it,

518
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: and so we had to practice at least an hour

519
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 5: a day. And yeah, by the time I was a

520
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 5: senior in high school, I was probably practicing close to

521
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 5: three hours a day and I and then I just

522
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 5: stopped for a while. I started taking it again in college.

523
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 5: But I am just so grateful that I have that training,

524
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 5: because I think my classical training, I don't have it.

525
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 5: You know, there's a few pieces I still have in

526
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: my memory, but it's more that I apply it to

527
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 5: a lot of other things that I do, even just

528
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 5: how I look at a script or you know, a project,

529
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 5: or like how do I kind of see it like

530
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 5: I do music.

531
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: In a way I wish I.

532
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Could get my children to focus on anything for even

533
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: close to an hour. Yeah, I apparently am not being

534
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: strict enough, because who that would be an absolute fight.

535
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: We try to just do homework or you know, practice

536
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: reading and writing for thirty minutes a day, and boy,

537
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: you'd think I was holding their hands to a fire.

538
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 5: I feel you we are in the same boat, you

539
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 5: and I. Yeah, my son does not want to do

540
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 5: I mean the reading homework. If we get through it,

541
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 5: and like as soon as we're done, it's like it's over.

542
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: But yes, but I think I wonder, like, you know,

543
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: by the time I started playing piano at four and

544
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 5: Mikey is six, and I don't know, like I don't

545
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 5: know when. I really really hope that he'll have.

546
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: An instrument he focuses on.

547
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 5: But I still it's a big question mark as to

548
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 5: how I'm going to try to have him do that.

549
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: I don't know.

550
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: My husband's a musician, so he's all around music, you know, hmm,

551
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: But I don't know.

552
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: I feel the same way. I want him to have

553
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 4: a focus.

554
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 5: Maybe it's not music, maybe it's something else, but right right,

555
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: right now, it's just flipping off the couch.

556
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: Correct all the time, all the time. The minute he

557
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: comes home, my son throws his back back down, rips

558
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: off his shirt, and goes immediately to like jumping off

559
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: the couch, throwing them at throwing the cushions on the floor,

560
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: practicing wrestling. I'm like, Okay, this is so much boy energy.

561
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: We need to get the kids together next time. The

562
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 5: yes sounds like they'll really get along.

563
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: I think they will.

564
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: And then we have my other son, Keaton, four and

565
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: a half, and he's right there with them, so I.

566
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: Think I think the three of them will have a

567
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: blast together. You mentioned being from a small town.

568
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: What was high school like for young Kate mccoochee in

569
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: small town Pennsylvania.

570
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 5: You know, again, I was pretty pretty shy, but I

571
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 5: have good memories of high school. I think middle school

572
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 5: was really rough for me. I think that was a

573
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 5: bad time, and looking back, I was, you know, I

574
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 5: just think even just like you know, it's that hormone

575
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 5: shift and everything else. I was just kind of lost

576
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 5: and sad and didn't know why. And then once I

577
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 5: got to ninth grade, I think my body started evening

578
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 5: out or something, so I started feeling like, oh okay,

579
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 5: and that's really when I was throwing myself into art

580
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: a lot more and you know, finding myself a bit there.

581
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: But I feel like I have great memories of high school.

582
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 5: It was just awkward, but it wasn't bad.

583
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 4: You know.

584
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think that I really loved my teachers.

585
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: My senior year, they found mold in the high school,

586
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 5: like throughout the high school and then so I only

587
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: had school for two hours a day and that was

588
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: a whole crazy thing. So my brother and I were

589
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: ski instructors. So during the winter we'd go to school

590
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: for two hours then go skiing. Like there's like good

591
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: memories there.

592
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: Yes, by the way, ski instructor for high school sounds awesome.

593
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know we thought.

594
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 5: I remember my parents saying like we thought, like, you know,

595
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: gets you in like the cool kid mixed somehow.

596
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: It really my brother and I were like.

597
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 5: Really the nerdy ski instructors, but you know it was,

598
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 5: you know, we were teaching little kids like I'm very

599
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 5: good at skiing backwards slowly.

600
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Okay, great, so that's the skill you took on from Yes, okay,

601
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: that's great.

602
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: So a lot of like memories of like snot and

603
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 5: cold gummy bears as rewards.

604
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and saying pizza French fries, Pizza French fries

605
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: as often as possible. When did your last name become

606
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: funny to kids?

607
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: Oh?

608
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's interesting.

609
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 5: That's such a good question, because I don't. I think

610
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: it snuck up on me. I think that first of all,

611
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: I didn't know that there was like, uh, you know,

612
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: a dirty connotation for my last name until I was

613
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: reading the play The Vagina Monologues, when I was like,

614
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 5: I don't know twenty five and that word was in

615
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: a long list of words, and I was like, oh

616
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: my god, that is what that is why, that is

617
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: why they were this moment, this moment, this moment was

618
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: like a in my mind, bro. So yeah, that became

619
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: funny to me then because I was like.

620
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: How did I miss that? But I missed sheltered sheltered kid.

621
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 5: But I I kids love to say my last name,

622
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: and kids love to say my full name, So among

623
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: I really kind of realized it when I was babysitting

624
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 5: a lot, like after college, I was babysitting to like

625
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 5: pay my bills, and kids always said Kate Macouchi, Kate

626
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: mcuchie and to this day. It's just a funny. It's

627
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: a fun funny thing. I don't know, but I love

628
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: that people. I love that kids know my whole name.

629
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: It's very cute.

630
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: It is very cute.

631
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, Jensen had a best friend growing up

632
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: whose name was BJ Service. Wow and wow, and none

633
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: of them thought it was funny or knew it was

634
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: funny until college. And I don't know how that's possible.

635
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: But then in college they were like, Jensen was mentioning

636
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: him to somebody else, like, oh, well, my best friend

637
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: BJ Service and they were like you have a friend

638
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: with the name and he was like, yeah, what what

639
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: And then obviously they were like that's so funny, and

640
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: he was like what how did none of us I

641
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: don't know how that.

642
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: I just don't know how that's possible.

643
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: That is so amazing and and and did he He

644
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: must have had a moment BJ where he realized what

645
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: it was.

646
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure for.

647
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 5: Him what that was like was I know, yeah, he

648
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 5: had my my moment with the vagina monologues, there was

649
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 5: something Yeah, sure, he goes.

650
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: That's why they've been saying my name like that.

651
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you think about I know, we just talked

652
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: about junior high and also junior high was not my

653
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: favorite time in life. I think it's just rough for everyone,

654
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: no matter who you are. But would you have would

655
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: you say you were a confident kid?

656
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: No, Well, it's funny.

657
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: I think I was both things because I was I

658
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: really in social settings. I was not whatsoever that middle

659
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 5: school feeling. I still talk about that middle school. There's

660
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 5: a lot of times in life today where I'm like, oh,

661
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in middle school right now, Like

662
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 5: there's this oh, it's so yeah. I don't think that I.

663
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 5: I wasn't confident. However, when I had a chance to perform,

664
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: then I was like in eighth grade, we had to

665
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: do this like presentations on presidents and I got FDR

666
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: and I just did this whole performance where I dressed

667
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 5: like Uncle Sam. I built this box that you had

668
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 5: to put a quarter in, and then the music started

669
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 5: and I pressed my little you know, tape player, and

670
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: then I like came out and was an animatronic Uncle

671
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 5: Sam as I presented this whole story on FDR, and

672
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: then I had a whole puppet sequence with FDR and

673
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 5: then he gets sick and he turns green and all

674
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 5: these things, and I remember my teacher having to.

675
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: Walk out of the room and I thought that's weird.

676
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, he must be laughing like

677
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: like that he had to probably leave to laugh. But

678
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: I in those moments, I was so excited and so

679
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: confident because I was sharing what I had made.

680
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's still to this day.

681
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: What is like my favorite thing is like I love

682
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: making things, but I equally love sharing them. And you know,

683
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: I'd write a song in college and then I'd run

684
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 5: across the dorm and knock on a dorm that you

685
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 5: want to hear the song I wrote, Like I was

686
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 5: always just wanting to share this thing immediately and and

687
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: so I think I had confidence to, you know, be

688
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 5: an animatronic uncle Sam.

689
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: And I also knew that the kids were loving it.

690
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: And I remember being done with my presentation and then

691
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 5: a kids said if I put another quarter in, will

692
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: you do that again? And I thought, oh, I did it.

693
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: Like so I think those moments, I definitely had confidence.

694
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 5: But when it came to like anything social, forget it.

695
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't even like to ride the bus. I

696
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: was really scared.

697
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: I didn't there were big kids on the bus like

698
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: it was scary to me, and my dad would drive

699
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 5: me in his electric van. He has an electric company,

700
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: bush Kill Electric, So we'd drive in his van and

701
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: we'd listen to Howard Stern and I thought that was

702
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: so cool and that was making me cool. But then

703
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 5: there were many times where we had to turn it off.

704
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: Yes exactly.

705
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: He was like, okay, turn it off.

706
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: I think I might have caught something I wasn't supposed

707
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: to hear.

708
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: What was the most amount of trouble you ever got

709
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: into as a kid?

710
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: H You know, I just I didn't. I was too scared.

711
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: I was so fearful, and I was such a like

712
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: a people pleaser. I wanted to please my parents.

713
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: I didn't.

714
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe the worst thing would be like not

715
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: practicing the piano long enough or something, But that really

716
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: how alame is that I never did.

717
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: I was not a rebel, not a rebel whatsoever.

718
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: I love that.

719
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: It's not even like I skipped practicing. You were like

720
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: not practicing the piano.

721
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: For the full hour. You did it for forty two.

722
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: Minutes and then yeah, and you were like, Nope, that's

723
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: the most amount of trouble I ever got into.

724
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: Okay, I like I sometimes do this thing where I

725
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: go back and I'm like, if I could go back

726
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: in time, like and do high school again or do

727
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: middle school again, Like what would I do?

728
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I just wish I had.

729
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: I wish I had socialized more like and like, I

730
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 5: think that would have been like, you know, hanging out

731
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: in a parking lot at the Walmart.

732
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: You know, but I wish I had done that.

733
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 5: I didn't get that experience, but again, you know that's okay,

734
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just wish I had had a little

735
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 5: bit more outgoingness toward other people, because I do now.

736
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: I love it hanging out well.

737
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 2: And even to hear you talk about how you'd make

738
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: a song and then run down the hall and knock

739
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: on the door, it's like when you felt inspired to

740
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: connect with people, you.

741
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: Would reach out and then it would always go well.

742
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: So it's kind of surprising that that amount of feedback

743
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: of like when I do go out of my comfort zone,

744
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: it's always a positive that that feedback didn't make you

745
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: inspired to do it. In other scenarios, you just yeah,

746
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: you just were very choosy about when you did it.

747
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably maybe a bit of fear of fear of

748
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: failing socially or something. Yeah, but I have a question

749
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: for you because you know you were in La as

750
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 5: it like what was the where did kids go?

751
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: Like where did teenagers go?

752
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 5: What was like the hot spot in la the mall

753
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: which which mall?

754
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: The Topanga Mall?

755
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: Oh, how fitting it was perfect.

756
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: I was at the Tapanga Mall every single weekend getting

757
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: my vanilla bean ice blended from coffee bean, going to

758
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: Victoria's Secret.

759
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: I you know, was not had no.

760
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Reason for lingerie, but we would look at the Bras,

761
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: try on Bras, me and my best friend Jamie, and

762
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: then we'd wander around the food court get food, you know,

763
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: check in at the Charlotte Rous.

764
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: See what there was Charlotte Ruth.

765
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the mall. The mall was pretty cool.

766
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: And then like in the Hollywood scene Edd Bevicks.

767
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, that was on Los Sienaga, right correct. Yeah,

768
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 5: I first moved to la that was.

769
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: Still there, but I think maybe for like just a

770
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: year and then it went away. But that was that

771
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: was a cool.

772
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: That was a cool hangout. We loved we loved that.

773
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, them all and it makes me very happy

774
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: now because like a lot of things, you know, now

775
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: we're moving into the nostalgia of the early aughts. But

776
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: we have just been really inside a big nineties nostalgia craze.

777
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: And as a part of that, I'm also noticing there

778
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: are lots of young cools at the mall. I'm still

779
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: at the mall every weekend. Yeah, because it's it's what

780
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: I knows. And so I bring my kids to the

781
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Tapanga Mall, same mall, very very sheltered.

782
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: Bring my kids to the Tapanga Mall.

783
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: We play at the arcade we you know, right on

784
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: the little train that's there. We wander, we see movies,

785
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: We go to the Tapanga Social which is now like

786
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: the elevated version of the food court, and we just

787
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: hang out there. And I'm pleasantly surprised by how many

788
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: young people are at the mall.

789
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: That is so fascinating. I mean that mall is gorgeous.

790
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 5: If you can call them all gorgeous, that's probably one

791
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 5: of the most gorgeous malls. Like I feel like, uh,

792
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: I yeah, that makes sense, and it's still like a

793
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: comfort for you, and then.

794
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: You get to share that with your kids is pretty cool.

795
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 4: I think.

796
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always wonder I daydream about like probably in

797
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: the time that I was like daydreaming about Hollywood in

798
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: the nineties, I think, what was what was it?

799
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: What was it for someone like you.

800
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 5: A kid in the nineties, and you know you know,

801
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: And also I should I should mention I also lived

802
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: vicariously through my so called life. Oh that show was

803
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 5: like I like, I like dreamt of having, you know,

804
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: a cool boyfriend like Jared Leto.

805
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Yes, so did I Yeah, I was not that cool.

806
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah I know, I know that that was. You know,

807
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I joke a lot that my mom is not even

808
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: a joke. My mom would not let me watch nine

809
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: O two one Oh Melrose Place. My mom was very

810
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: much like, oh no, those kids are doing things you

811
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: don't even need to know about, And so I always

812
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: just had to pretend that I knew what my friends

813
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: were talking about at school and they were like, did

814
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: you watch Oh my god, I can't believe Brenda, And

815
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: I was like, I know, And I just had to

816
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: pretend like I knew what was going on because I

817
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to watch any of it.

818
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I understand that I didn't watch nine O

819
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: two and O or and like any of what I

820
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: would consider like yeah, like cool kid shows cool kid shows.

821
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So.

822
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you now about the Monster

823
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: and the Puppet Show. I'm so excited your first kid's book.

824
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: As you know, we are huge fans of your art.

825
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: In our house, I am the proud owner of a

826
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: Kate mccoochee original, and now I get to introduce your

827
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: work to my boys. So tell me where where did

828
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: the idea for this story come from?

829
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for saying that.

830
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 5: I you know, it's it really came from from, you know,

831
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 5: well basically Mo Williams, who I'm a huge, huge fan of,

832
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: and I mean he truly is. He's as wonderful a

833
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: person as his books are so funny and so cool,

834
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: and he is that.

835
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: You know.

836
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 5: And and when he was helping me figure out this

837
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: book along with his editor Tracy, who's become a great friend,

838
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 5: he was saying, you know, you really need to have

839
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: a story that matters and like, you know, something that's

840
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 5: true to you. And this book is a lot about

841
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: protecting your energy and your creativity and like just really

842
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: kind of being true to yourself in a way.

843
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: And I think that is what I'm really proud of.

844
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 5: Is I feel like even grown ups, if they just

845
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: need a reminder of that. Even though this is a

846
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: kid's book, it really does have that message. And yeah,

847
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 5: so it really it started with it started this book

848
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: morphed a million times before we got to where we

849
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: are now. But that process alone was very fascinating and

850
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 5: very very fun. And I knew I wanted, you know,

851
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 5: this like creature to be creating.

852
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: It was like a monster creating. I wasn't sure.

853
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: And then it became a puppet, which is perfect because

854
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: I am just a big puppet person. Yes, like I said,

855
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: super cool, So I it just kind of made sense.

856
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: And my I have this puppet, Camille that I've had

857
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: for twenty five years now, and so she was really

858
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: an inspiration for this idea of you know, this, this

859
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: creature finding a puppet and then you know what comes

860
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 5: out of that. But uh and then I also am

861
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: really proud. I don't want to give anything away, but

862
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 5: there is like a fun little twist at the end,

863
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I keep saying, it's sort of

864
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: like a you know, my sixth sense, but way different.

865
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: I love that.

866
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, and Mo, I will say Mo was

867
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: just to work with him was truly a dream.

868
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: And I've always wanted to publish a book.

869
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 5: I have so many books I've written and illustrated and

870
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 5: I've never done anything with them.

871
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: Som hmm.

872
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 5: This is a dream come true. That is happening, you know,

873
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 5: at forty five now, so I'm really really excited again,

874
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 5: late Bloomer, I guess yeah.

875
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: We are also a big mo Willems house.

876
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: We were gifted the Piggy and Gerald Elephant and Piggy

877
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: series by Paul Sheer when we first had Adler. That

878
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: was their congratulations on your baby gift, and it was perfect.

879
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: I have read every single one of them at least

880
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: a thousand times. Both my children love every single one

881
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: of them, and I was very excited to see that

882
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: in your book on the last page there is a pigeon,

883
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: and my kids look through every book and want to

884
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: see where the pigeon is at the end of the

885
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Piggy and Gerald books and there are only two in

886
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: the whole series that, for whatever reason, the pigeon doesn't

887
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: make an appearance. Oh really, and my children asked to

888
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: skip those.

889
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: I I'll try to get to the bottom of that

890
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: for you, because I don't know which ones, but yeah,

891
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 5: I'll find out for you.

892
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm invited to a party does not have a pigeon

893
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: appearance at the kay and so do I. Uh, and

894
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what I'll figure out what

895
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: the other one is.

896
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know, I will because I.

897
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: Have always wondered, like, how did the pigeon not make

898
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: an appearance in these? And if I pull one out,

899
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: Keaton will go is that check the back? Is that

900
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: one that doesn't have pigeon? And I'm like, no pigeons

901
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: in this ways Like, yeah, so it's I was very

902
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: excited to see the pigeon made appearance in yours.

903
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: It is it's a it's an honor to have the pigeon. Uh.

904
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's just an honor to be uh, you know,

905
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: associated with this world and that it's an elephant and

906
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 5: piggy like reading book is like, I don't know, the whole.

907
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: Thing has been so cool. It's very exciting.

908
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: I love that you're creating boundaries and setting boundaries for kids,

909
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: and I love that you specifically said it's even a

910
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: good reminder for adults, because I truly do not think

911
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: I ever really mastered the concept of boundaries until I

912
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: was in my thirties. Yeah, I in my thirties. All

913
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I started looking around, going, why do

914
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: I have all of these situations that pop up where

915
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: eventually something makes me very uncomfortable?

916
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: And I just realized, like, wow, I don't think. I

917
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: don't think.

918
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: I was very specifically taught that I can and should

919
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: create my own boundaries around things that I'm comfortable with.

920
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned being a people pleaser. Being a

921
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: child actor, it's almost impossible that you don't become a

922
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: people pleaser and that you don't always look to others

923
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: for what you should be.

924
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: Doing to make them happy.

925
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: Yes, and so you're very rarely in touch with what

926
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: you want or need or what makes you comfortable, but

927
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: you can pretty much immediately tell what other people need

928
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: and want for you to do. And so it was

929
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: really the first time in my life I was like, oh,

930
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: I can set boundaries. So I agree with you that

931
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: although this is a book for kids, parents and children

932
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: will have something to gain from this wonderful book. So

933
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for the world to be able to

934
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: get their hands on it.

935
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.

936
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I similar to you. I'm kind

937
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: of new to being aware of it. I think I

938
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: think having a kid really helps, for at least help

939
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 5: me to go, like, Okay, this is time with my

940
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 5: son as he's small, and it really makes you go, Okay,

941
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: what do I say yes to?

942
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: What do how?

943
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 5: You know, because you know, it's great to be able

944
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 5: to spend so much time and be there for him,

945
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: and yeah, I think but also just in life, you know,

946
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 5: regardless of like a kid's schedule or whatever else, Like,

947
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: it's really good to know what you need as a person.

948
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a yeah, it's a hard thing to do.

949
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

950
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, it takes practice. I guess I'm not quite there

951
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: yet to be honest.

952
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it still takes practice.

953
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree, I'm but but at least to

954
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: have the recognition that we need them and we can

955
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: do it, it is good. It's like it's in the

956
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: forefront of our minds. Now since becoming a mother, you

957
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: have released a kid's book and a kid's album. Did

958
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: you expect to find so much inspiration in motherhood?

959
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: You know, I hoped I would.

960
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: I like, you know, I dreamt of having like a

961
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 5: room of Legos, like I like, like I just want

962
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 5: to like play Legos.

963
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: And then it was like a reason to play. I mean,

964
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 4: I still played legos.

965
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, having a kid, but I think I yeah, I

966
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 5: The kid's album came about in kind of a like

967
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 5: I had really really bad postpartum depression and I had

968
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: Mikey in twenty twenty and in January twenty twenty, and

969
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 5: then I knew something was deeply wrong because I'm I

970
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 5: always just operating at a level that I wasn't ever

971
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: accustomed to.

972
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: It was really hard and bad.

973
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: So I went to a doctor and who had been

974
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: recommended to me for postpartum, and I said, I think

975
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: I might need, you know, some medication or something to

976
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 5: get me out of this fog and and and the

977
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: woman was like, no, you're fine, you just have the

978
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: baby blues. And then we went into lockdown for COVID

979
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: and so I had postpartum for oh gosh, probably a

980
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: year and a half, and oh man, I was writing

981
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 5: songs for him, but actually a lot of those songs

982
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: on the record were also from like twenty years ago,

983
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: Like they're like songs I've been writing my whole life.

984
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: And my husband was so sweet because he could see

985
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 5: that I was struggling, and he said, why don't we

986
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: record your album? And luckily he's a music producer, so yeah,

987
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 5: so Jake was like, let's just go, let's just start recording.

988
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 5: Let's just like see how that feels. And it was

989
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 5: just a really sweet thing for him to do for

990
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: me because that was really when I could start to

991
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: feel it shift, you know, my Like I was like, oh, right,

992
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 5: I do this, I make.

993
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 4: Things like I can do this.

994
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: And and then also it was it was at a

995
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 5: point in the pandemic where we were able to have

996
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: friends to come in and play different instruments and everything

997
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: just started feeling a little better. So my Kids album

998
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 5: kind of came out of that, and so in almost

999
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 5: a different way of you know, having a kid.

1000
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, different type of inspiration, yes, exactly.

1001
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: But I'm really like making that album was just so

1002
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: much fun. And we were all in a like we

1003
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: did it live to tape, so we were all in

1004
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 5: the same room and I'm singing, and our friend Brendan

1005
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 5: was on drums, and my husband's on bass, and my

1006
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 5: friend Sean's and guitar were just like in a circle

1007
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: playing and recording, and it felt so alive and like

1008
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 5: just really fresh and fun. And I think I'm very

1009
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: proud of the album, so you should be thanks. But

1010
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: then and then on the day that the album came out,

1011
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: I found out I had lung cancer.

1012
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: So that was a whole thing.

1013
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 5: But then that brings a whole other you know, appreciation

1014
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 5: for life. And I know you went through your version

1015
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: of that and how lucky are we? And you know, yeah,

1016
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: I know it gives a whole new perspective on things.

1017
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, how are you doing now? What was

1018
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: your treatment and how's everything looking for you?

1019
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: I'm doing really great.

1020
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna knock on my head because you know, it's

1021
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 5: like there's always that little fear in the back. But

1022
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: I did just have my six month scan last week,

1023
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 5: so I leave feeling like, okay, I'm okay right now.

1024
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 5: But I was diagnosed with lung cancer. I've thought that's

1025
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 5: insane because I've never smoked a cigarette in my life.

1026
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: That couldn't be And you know, to this point, I've

1027
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 5: talked about this a little on like my Instagram and stuff.

1028
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 5: But I they told me I needed to go to

1029
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 5: the lung doctor because they had found a spot when

1030
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 5: I got a routine heart scan and they said, you

1031
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 5: looks like you have something dangerous in your lung. And

1032
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: I just thought, there's no way, Like, I've never smoked

1033
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: a cigarette in my life. So I didn't go to

1034
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 5: the doctor, and I let a lot of time go by,

1035
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: and and then to my GP, my great doctor just

1036
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: who's on top of it. He called me, like, you know,

1037
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 5: months later and said, what are you doing. You haven't

1038
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 5: gone to the doctor. You need to go to the

1039
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 5: lung doctor. And I said, oh, really okay, and it

1040
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: thank God because I you know, and it but they

1041
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: ended up taking twenty percent of my right lung out and.

1042
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 4: That was all I had to do.

1043
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I say, yeah, oh, the recovery was.

1044
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: I kept being like, I'm fine, I'm totally fine.

1045
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: But I i'd say it took a good six months

1046
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 5: to feel like I was kind of put together again.

1047
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 5: So I was very tired. But that is a very lucky,

1048
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: lucky scenario that it was found. Really it was able

1049
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 5: to just you know, be taken out and I didn't

1050
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: need to do anything else.

1051
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've been cancer.

1052
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 5: Free basically since I had the surgery, and it's been

1053
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 5: two years now, so I feel very lucky.

1054
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: How how are you and how is your health similar?

1055
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 3: Similar?

1056
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: I only had to have two lumpectomies in twenty days

1057
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: of radiation.

1058
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: So oh that's one.

1059
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't need chemo, and I have had multiple

1060
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: mammograms since my surgeries and no evidence of disease.

1061
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: So yes, pleased to say. Also, same boat.

1062
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: There's always that tiny little bit of fear in between,

1063
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, they think they call it scanxiety. You know,

1064
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: around the time of getting another scan, you're always like, eh, because,

1065
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: like you, I had zero thought in my mind that

1066
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: there could be anything wrong. I had just had a

1067
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: mammogram the year before and it was clear, like and

1068
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I was you know, I was like, I'm in my

1069
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: early forties. As far as I was aware, breast cancer

1070
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: doesn't run in my family. I had one aunt who

1071
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: had also the exact same thing I ended up being

1072
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: diagnosed with. But it was like she even the way

1073
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: she talked about it was like, it's barely even cancer.

1074
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: It's pre cancer, it's it's so it wasn't in my

1075
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: mind that I would have any reason to have a concern.

1076
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: And so when you're like, wow, you you can have

1077
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: zero concern and still have cancer. Yeah, So yeah, there's

1078
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: still some anxiety around there, but ultimately I'm in the

1079
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: same boat. Healthy, doing well and cancer free.

1080
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: So yes, I'm so happy. I'm happy.

1081
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, talking about it is always a reminder, you know,

1082
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 5: we're we're so fortunate and and I think you know,

1083
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 5: for me, I like, I'm sure you probably felt the

1084
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 5: same way, where it's like, Okay, I still get to

1085
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: do this, I get to do this. Is I I

1086
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: remember someone asking if I was really upset, and I

1087
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 5: was like, no, I feel like I won the lottery

1088
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: or something like, like how lucky that this was almost

1089
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 5: a fluke in the way mine was found? And so yeah,

1090
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 5: it just really is a great reminder that to appreciate everything,

1091
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 5: you know, and yeah, I'm so glad.

1092
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're doing well. And likewise, yeah, and

1093
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: for anyone listening who's putting off any doctors, just go

1094
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 4: go check it out, you know, do the blood work,

1095
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: do the things.

1096
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, schedule the appointment, may make the time,

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Speaker 2: prioritize yourself.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: I would always rather know than not know. And there's

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Speaker 2: cancers that the earlier, you know, the amount of treatments

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's night and day.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and I always say to friends like, just

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Speaker 5: get like you said, get the information, just like, get

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Speaker 5: all the information and then you have it and you know,

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Speaker 5: and then you can and hopefully everything's fine.

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Speaker 4: And if you have a little weird thing, then you'll

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Speaker 4: go down that path and figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just try to, Yeah, to stay on top

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Speaker 4: of it is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: There was no way I was going to hang out

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Speaker 2: with Kate and only do one episode. So this Friday

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Speaker 2: she's back for a bonus episode as we look to you,

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Speaker 2: our listeners for an embarrassing childhood story sent via email.

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