Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back, and here is part two
Speaker 1: of our interview with Tony count Now stuffing up to
Speaker 1: the mic. The host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie Bruce June. Yeah,
Speaker 1: m JF my favorite wrestler right now, the man at
Speaker 1: the moment, I was watching MLW and it was, you know,
Speaker 1: hard to miss. And JF Uh did he cut a
Speaker 1: promo that night? Uh? He cut? I watched him money.
Speaker 1: I watched like for weeks and weeks and months and
Speaker 1: months all through so I saw cut a lot of promos.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of good people on the show
Speaker 1: at that time. Um and uh so I was. I
Speaker 1: was watching it pretty regularly looking for people, so I
Speaker 1: would go back in that summer and and and Jeff
Speaker 1: was one of the real standout people. You know. Uh
Speaker 1: just topped top of my head. And this is the
Speaker 1: same stuff all hardcore fans might have been watching at
Speaker 1: that time. But I was really into New Japan. They
Speaker 1: had the show on Access but also a court in
Speaker 1: New Japan World and that was, like he said, A
Speaker 1: big part of my business case was, um, you know,
Speaker 1: taking Omega versus Jericho, bringing it to America, and I
Speaker 1: knew that match had been a huge fan event around
Speaker 1: the world, and I thought on American pay per view
Speaker 1: it would draw a big audience and also would draw
Speaker 1: a big house having seen what they did at the Tokyoo,
Speaker 1: and and then I was trying to build a roster
Speaker 1: kind of around and obviously, like you know, Young Bucks
Speaker 1: versus Luta Brothers is a great tag match that that
Speaker 1: could headline of pay per view. Um, so you love
Speaker 1: you love tag team wrestling, You actually love it. This
Speaker 1: is a fan thing, okay, because I I pushed every
Speaker 1: well not just me, everyone when I worked there, pushed
Speaker 1: so hard, and Vince was always like, I'm paying four
Speaker 1: people for one match, and so he just he hated
Speaker 1: he hated it. That's why it's never been that legitimate.
Speaker 1: But except maybe like eight months here, three months here
Speaker 1: and then not forget all that, but you have a
Speaker 1: genuine love for it to the point where you guys
Speaker 1: just put Moxley and and and and Brian together. Now
Speaker 1: even nobody's beating them, bro, nobody's beating them. Nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: is beating the American Dragon period. And my nobody's beating them.
Speaker 1: No way, I'll do a run in and prevent the pinfall.
Speaker 1: If it happens, those men will be killers. I love
Speaker 1: that you guys put them together. They're so great and uh,
Speaker 1: it's a great parent. I didn't want to and I
Speaker 1: don't want a short change. Uh m JF. We still
Speaker 1: haven't given. Don't worry. He won't let you no E, Definitely,
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't be able to do that. And
Speaker 1: heast that's one person I'm not gonna have a change
Speaker 1: to short change. He's Uh, such a great wrestler, is
Speaker 1: such a great professional. And you were talking about all
Speaker 1: the great stuff that CM punkin m JF did uh
Speaker 1: in building up their dog collar match, the revolution and
Speaker 1: telling the story. It's one of the best things I've
Speaker 1: ever been a part of in my life. I haven't
Speaker 1: loved a match like that. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: long period I I literally start to finish all like
Speaker 1: they say, suspension of disbelief, All that was gone, Like
Speaker 1: I literally, you guys built up to it. This kid,
Speaker 1: he's like twenty four years old, this kid or twenty
Speaker 1: six years old. Some crazy. I was such an idiot
Speaker 1: at that age, and just to see how crisp and
Speaker 1: clean and precise all this was. To see that match
Speaker 1: and you guys had a long chain and so like
Speaker 1: even like the visuals when they were tired and spread
Speaker 1: out across the ring, it was just like it looked
Speaker 1: you could pause it and take a photo like. I
Speaker 1: loved everything, And I think it is the best story
Speaker 1: and the best maybe not best match, because there's some
Speaker 1: other ones that have got to be up there with it,
Speaker 1: but the best story that I've seen you guys do,
Speaker 1: and the best story that I've seen in wrestling period
Speaker 1: since before I ever wrote a wrestling story. And I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you the one I liked more. Well,
Speaker 1: it's love, I love, I love, Thank you man. It
Speaker 1: means a lot to me to hear that. But also
Speaker 1: it's emblematic uh uh my philosophy in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways because I give all the credits to two of
Speaker 1: them and Jaff and see him punk. I am that
Speaker 1: administrator in a lot of ways. And what I think
Speaker 1: is really cool is you know what people people will
Speaker 1: ask why I don't have a lot of writers, It's
Speaker 1: because I've worked with the top talent and there's all
Speaker 1: developed stories and programs front all due to everything and
Speaker 1: say like you're gonna do this, this and this, You're
Speaker 1: gonna here's ere gonna work this week. We're gonna build
Speaker 1: you up, and then at the end of the next week,
Speaker 1: I'll explain where we're going next week. And you can
Speaker 1: do that with like some younger people, but with like
Speaker 1: and Jeff and see him punk, you know, with each
Speaker 1: of them, I spent hours and hours sitting and planning
Speaker 1: and talking, and they both team in with such great
Speaker 1: ideas and a lot of this stuff just matched up beautifully.
Speaker 1: And they both had like long term story ideas and
Speaker 1: things that to do. And when you have wrestlers with
Speaker 1: those kinds of great ideas, Look, I don't have to
Speaker 1: do every idea that it's thrown in here and tried to.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I try to pick the best one
Speaker 1: and talk to different people about different ideas. But I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm better off talking to the two of them.
Speaker 1: I imagine if I'd gone off in a room with
Speaker 1: neither of them, with like six other people and then
Speaker 1: to this was the death of This was the death
Speaker 1: of every good idea that people smashed. The writer's room
Speaker 1: for w W is so often and I've even being
Speaker 1: critical and I've written some dog stories too, by the way, Um,
Speaker 1: but the fact that there would be literally forty or
Speaker 1: more people that all got to have say on a storyline.
Speaker 1: The day of a show, I literally would just be like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is so far removed from what it started as.
Speaker 1: This won't how how can we make it? Was crazy?
Speaker 1: So I love that control a controlled envirus with Brian Denna,
Speaker 1: he rest in Peace. We're talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: past on actors. But h he said artist, Brian Denna,
Speaker 1: he said artist, Oh my god, Okay. He was like
Speaker 1: a mentor to me on Summer Catch. He was a
Speaker 1: great dude. I went to go watch him a Iceman
Speaker 1: comment on Broadway and he killed it and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you're amazing. And he goes Freddie actors or he said
Speaker 1: artists need an environment that's conducive to success, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, that's why this movie sucked. That
Speaker 1: movie and I started like put peace and things together.
Speaker 1: And he was just such an old school, like clean
Speaker 1: personality like that. I love that you can trust your
Speaker 1: talent like that, and the ones who you who you
Speaker 1: can't you can help kind of shape and develop and
Speaker 1: bring up and not force the entire world upon their
Speaker 1: shoulders before they're ready. The entire thing was the three
Speaker 1: of us like that, and that's how it should be,
Speaker 1: like jealous, right, and that's like that's and and it's
Speaker 1: been like that a lot. Like the same thing when
Speaker 1: Paul came in with Darby, you know, he and I,
Speaker 1: Punk and I sat down put ideas together, and then
Speaker 1: I went to Darby and nobody in the wrestling business
Speaker 1: knew what was going on with me and Punk, and
Speaker 1: I went to Darby and said, it's the promo you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. And basically it was the one I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe ten days before the first dance. I
Speaker 1: think it was um in early August. And the line
Speaker 1: I gave Darby was a w you know, no matter
Speaker 1: how great you think you are, if you want to
Speaker 1: prove it, you have to come to a w even
Speaker 1: if you think you're the best in the world. And
Speaker 1: I knew that like that one line would Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it's great. And like working with different people, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's uh Moxley and and Danielson or the Young
Speaker 1: Bucks and Adam Cole and Tenny when when he spent
Speaker 1: healthy obviously Jericho and Eddie Kingston, Oh my gosh, Eddie.
Speaker 1: Eddie gets some of the biggest reactions in the damn company.
Speaker 1: They love him and that story they told was beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I love that he didn't shake his hand and
Speaker 1: there was so much hatefulness. But Eddie's talking on the mic.
Speaker 1: I had him on the show Man and I told
Speaker 1: him this. On the show, I said, and you guys
Speaker 1: need to give your social media people are raised by
Speaker 1: the way you guys cut together a clip with some
Speaker 1: music and Eddie was talking about some some Latino pride
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not full Puerto Rican either, and
Speaker 1: I leg it, like my eyes welled up. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna make me cry. And then like
Speaker 1: three months later he's making me want to watch him
Speaker 1: fight somebody. I was just like, they have some dudes
Speaker 1: that I am in love with. We talked off air
Speaker 1: about my love for for cargill Um, who I told
Speaker 1: you I think literally is is the goddess Athena just
Speaker 1: she never left and all the all the other Greek
Speaker 1: gods died and she just ate them or or consumed
Speaker 1: their souls or something. I think she I literally have
Speaker 1: never It's like when I was a it in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I saw the ultimate warrior at a house show in
Speaker 1: Tinglely Colisseum, which was a rodeo house in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: And he looked like he was sculpted from granite and
Speaker 1: that his muscles didn't even push in when the other
Speaker 1: men punched him. Like everything it was like body armor.
Speaker 1: And when I saw her, I was literally watching it
Speaker 1: with my twelve year old daughter, and my daughter I
Speaker 1: don't care about language. She's seen all Sarah's in my movies,
Speaker 1: so language isn't it. But when Jade Gargill talked about
Speaker 1: being a bad bitch, and I literally watched my daughter's
Speaker 1: head and you guys can't see this Tony camp, but
Speaker 1: her literally her whole posture when Jade said that, she
Speaker 1: just went up up, up, chest out shin hai and
Speaker 1: it was just like she would looked like she was
Speaker 1: ready to fight. And I was like, yo, she just
Speaker 1: had her ultimate worrior like she literally was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking pride. It was this crazy moment where I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's why I still love wrestling to this to this
Speaker 1: day is because of stuff like that. And I've gotten
Speaker 1: to kind of jump back in through my children, and
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. People talk about the craziness of wrestling.
Speaker 1: I think this is a renaissance for wrestling. It's a
Speaker 1: rebirth and you guys have shown it now for a
Speaker 1: couple of years and have a consistent number that I
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch grow. Um, you guys are coming
Speaker 1: to l A soon. I want to come to that show. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run in. I will not affect any matches,
Speaker 1: even if Moxley is in trouble and uh, but I
Speaker 1: just want to go. I haven't been to a live
Speaker 1: show in so long. I got to indie shows out here,
Speaker 1: but it's a different vibe. You guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: at the Forum, which is beautiful now since they bought
Speaker 1: it and refurbished it. The acoustics are great in there.
Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful space. And a w W A
Speaker 1: abandoned our West coasts. There's no more summer slams here,
Speaker 1: So let us show you. Let us make you feel
Speaker 1: at home. Man, we'll sell your asses out. I'm I've
Speaker 1: lived in l A for you know, years of my life,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think wait to come back. M h.
Speaker 1: I said this once in another interview, but I went
Speaker 1: completely over the head of everybody in the room, I
Speaker 1: said it too, so you'll appreciate this much more than
Speaker 1: anyone else in that media scrum. I think, uh so,
Speaker 1: like I love going back, and I was back to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl and it was the first time I've
Speaker 1: been able to really hang out in l A in
Speaker 1: a while because I was back for a few days
Speaker 1: and I went to Craigs and you know, there's like
Speaker 1: a paparazzi out in front of Craigs, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that whenever you walk into a friend and Freddy didn't
Speaker 1: want to take photos and that's why I hide out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like so when I when I never had that at
Speaker 1: Craigs before, like where they like mob me and I
Speaker 1: got right like, oh, man, like this is a very
Speaker 1: different l A than the last man TMZ likes for wrestling. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, Hollywood embraces or embraced wrestling one
Speaker 1: time one time in the eighties, and then it was
Speaker 1: always kind of like this, yeah, they're in our business,
Speaker 1: but not really in our business. Like in the nineties
Speaker 1: when I was coming up, they'd be like pretty your
Speaker 1: film act or not a TV actor. I'm like what
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Glenn Close does a
Speaker 1: show on effects and it's like opens up the floodgates
Speaker 1: for everyone right close. What a really nice lady, bro.
Speaker 1: She and only one other actor are the only people
Speaker 1: who have ever won an Academy Award, Tony Award and
Speaker 1: an Emmy Award. It's like her and Jack Albertson from
Speaker 1: Willy Wonka to Chocolate Factor. It's so talented but also
Speaker 1: like a really really nice person. We went to the
Speaker 1: Abaijing Olympics together. What whoa whoa what? What American contingent
Speaker 1: of people like our our my family and some other families. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was like it was like a group of CEOs
Speaker 1: and her husband and my dad and a bunch of
Speaker 1: people organized this up to Beijing for the two thous Olympics.
Speaker 1: I just graduated college like maybe a year prior, and
Speaker 1: I was I was working my first job, and uh
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. But like the Beijing Olympics,
Speaker 1: it was a real experience and like these days, they
Speaker 1: organized this like tour. So we were like going game
Speaker 1: to game and there was no food, like and we
Speaker 1: get to the I haven't seen her in years, but
Speaker 1: this is like she was so nice. Um. We got
Speaker 1: into the basketball games and it was USA versus China.
Speaker 1: It was at the time the most watched supporting event
Speaker 1: of all time. There are three billion people watched the
Speaker 1: USA versus China, and USA had Lebron, Kobe, Yeah, Carmelo,
Speaker 1: so many great players and uh. And I went out
Speaker 1: and the concession stand all. Now, the one thing they
Speaker 1: did in Beijing really well is all the stuff on
Speaker 1: the menu was very affordably priced. But like it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like meat on stick, which is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's this gonna be? And could you just tell me
Speaker 1: what kind of meat? Yeah, there was just one thing.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it said, but I think it
Speaker 1: said biscuits or something, and I was like, I've tried
Speaker 1: what is At this point I got to see that
Speaker 1: it turned out to be Rich tract on Oh, like
Speaker 1: biscuits like English crackers. Yeah. Like so I get like
Speaker 1: a box of rich crackers and the Olympics I sit
Speaker 1: down unclosed looks at me and she goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: rich practice, where did you get those? Like it's so like, uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was such a great talent. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: all those old school actresses are so smooth, and so
Speaker 1: I fell in love with all of them a little bit, man,
Speaker 1: and they always have like great quotes. I remember Kathleen
Speaker 1: Turner was quoted as saying, a movie is a marriage
Speaker 1: with a guaranteed divorce. So fall in love as much
Speaker 1: as you want because it end's suit enough. And it
Speaker 1: was just like, Yo, that's some smooth ship. I would
Speaker 1: never say, I'd be like, movies are cool, like making
Speaker 1: the like it would never sound smooth like that. Man.
Speaker 1: I love that you got to hang with her. When
Speaker 1: I was coming up, I always got to, you know.
Speaker 1: My dad charmed a lot of people, so they they
Speaker 1: were good to me, you know. And I met a
Speaker 1: lot of old school cats and I could always tell
Speaker 1: if they had slept with my father or not based
Speaker 1: on the way they said. Hi, I'll tell you that
Speaker 1: you'll love this story. Okay, you're the perfect age for this.
Speaker 1: So you remember Joanna Kerns from Growing Pains, Okay, so
Speaker 1: sweetest mom in the world. In the seventies. She was
Speaker 1: a dancer and a really good one, and my dad
Speaker 1: was dating her, and that he used to go on
Speaker 1: dates with her and Pam Greer because they liked each other.
Speaker 1: So we take them both out at the same time.
Speaker 1: This is seventies game. So I'm on a pilot that
Speaker 1: didn't get picked up and Joanna Kurrens is playing one
Speaker 1: of the roles and I didn't even know and I
Speaker 1: go into the trailer and I see her look at
Speaker 1: me and double take and she goes hi. So right
Speaker 1: away I know the hand sex. Right right away, I
Speaker 1: know they had sex because there's always a breath first,
Speaker 1: it's always and if it's not, if it's just oh, hello,
Speaker 1: then I know they were just friends and cool. Right
Speaker 1: So right away, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is awkward.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and she goes this quiet and
Speaker 1: awkward and she goes, can I tell you a story
Speaker 1: about your dad? And I was like, I was waiting
Speaker 1: for it. So she goes, okay, your dad and I
Speaker 1: it was and we were on a date with Pam Greer,
Speaker 1: me and your dad at a restaurant and Richard Pryor
Speaker 1: called the restaurant and he said, hey, I'm having a
Speaker 1: party at my house. Come by, and Richard discovered my father.
Speaker 1: But he was very jealous of my father because he
Speaker 1: loved Pam Greer, and Pam wrote about this in her biography,
Speaker 1: so it's not like uh an autobias, it's not like
Speaker 1: telling tales out of school. But she loved my daddy.
Speaker 1: So my dad brought Pam and Joanna to Richard's house
Speaker 1: and there was no party. My my dad in the seventies,
Speaker 1: Playboy Radio would do comedy from like ten pm to
Speaker 1: two am on the radio, and a lot of comments
Speaker 1: would try out new new material there just to see
Speaker 1: how it would play it. And my dad had a
Speaker 1: set that he hated, and Richard got the set and
Speaker 1: he started playing it as soon as they walked in,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you're gonna fall in love with
Speaker 1: this on motherfucker. And my dad goes, and Joanne's telling
Speaker 1: me the story. She goes, your dad jumped over the couch,
Speaker 1: punched Richard in the face, took the real office like
Speaker 1: it was on like a wheel to wheel audio thing,
Speaker 1: grab Pam and left me. I said, what, She goes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he forgot me at Richard's house. I go, what did
Speaker 1: Richard do? He said, bitch, get yourself a cab through
Speaker 1: her holy ship. That's one of the greatest stories I
Speaker 1: ever hear. The old school actresses are always the best man,
Speaker 1: always and the seventies were the seventies, man, So they
Speaker 1: get to have the coolest stories. Our stories are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pretty sweet. There's a you know, an hour
Speaker 1: long and awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I've got nothing that can
Speaker 1: compared to that we were. We were just born in
Speaker 1: the wrong generation, that's all. But listen, dude, you you're
Speaker 1: kicking so much ass man. And I love to see
Speaker 1: the growth of the of the brand that you're building.
Speaker 1: I love to see your take on the business. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite stuff? Like not you take the modern taking
Speaker 1: whatever and not that I'm saying, be said you like
Speaker 1: a lot of what we're doing going back, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite stuff? So, like, if I had to
Speaker 1: my favorite sort of moments. I loved when JBL invaded
Speaker 1: ECW and cut the Wrestling God promo. That's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite promos of all time. Uh, Bret, you love
Speaker 1: the original One Night? Yeah? Yeah? Um. I loved Bret Hart,
Speaker 1: not Shawn Michaels. I always pulled pulled for Bret Hart.
Speaker 1: I always believed in Bret Hart. All my friends pulled
Speaker 1: for Shawn Michael's. Karen Culkin and I still argue about
Speaker 1: it to this day and in a very unfriendly way. Yes,
Speaker 1: very much, so very much, So I gotta go. Lenarly
Speaker 1: taught my dad out of freaking drive, so I gotta go. Lit.
Speaker 1: I felt like we're the way people went back and
Speaker 1: forth on it. It reminds me of Dave and j
Speaker 1: because it was like to like people and in the
Speaker 1: same era in the nineties, these two and especially with
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes stuff going on to it was
Speaker 1: very similar. He used to be friends and they were
Speaker 1: really a big part of like and you know, Brett
Speaker 1: had like done a lot to help advance Shahn's career
Speaker 1: when even be a singles wrestler, just like David a
Speaker 1: lot to advanced to day his career um as a
Speaker 1: comedian when and uh and then the way it shook
Speaker 1: out and one guy being maybe flash here and the
Speaker 1: other guy being more In Dave's case, I would say
Speaker 1: like a little bit more probably the comics comics, I
Speaker 1: would I would say he's the more intellectual of the
Speaker 1: comics and Jay was the more mainstream, right like Jay
Speaker 1: had Jay. I I know Jay Leno's seventies set because
Speaker 1: my dad gave him his first job and he literally
Speaker 1: had jokes about milk and cookies you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: whereas like Dave let him is never going to touch
Speaker 1: that subject unless it's in the most cynical way possible,
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with milk or cookies.
Speaker 1: That's just like you know, the color for it. So
Speaker 1: they were very different, very different comics as far as
Speaker 1: like an accessible, safe and and one who doesn't care
Speaker 1: if you don't get his joke. He just doesn't care,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Dave, Dave doesn't care
Speaker 1: if you don't get to Dave used to be rough
Speaker 1: on a guest if the guest wasn't that good, he
Speaker 1: would kind of dump on the guest, whereas Jay's like,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's sparkle. Let's sparkle. But I think actors
Speaker 1: and comics and musicians always wanted to earn Dave's respect
Speaker 1: more than Jay's when they were doing the shows back
Speaker 1: in the day. There's so many wrestlers in the business
Speaker 1: and they talk about in the same way about trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, getting respect. From Brett Hard it's like the
Speaker 1: highest because he's so sparing with it. He doesn't throw
Speaker 1: it out there. He really it's an old school philosophy
Speaker 1: hand out dignity demand people earn respect. Everyone deserves dignity,
Speaker 1: but respect should be earned on a case by case basis,
Speaker 1: and Bret Hart embodies that way more than anything I
Speaker 1: just said, you know what I mean, Like he's so
Speaker 1: hardcore about it, and that's still so Yeah. I've always
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Brett, But like I
Speaker 1: watched just like gotta watched America go back and forth
Speaker 1: on Dave and Jay. I watched uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: w WF even go back on the fans hand Vince
Speaker 1: Yeah Worth on them at different points, and it's really
Speaker 1: kind of a fascinating thing to watch. Like the experience
Speaker 1: Bob Right and NBC was probably having was very similar
Speaker 1: to the experiences Vince was having very much, so very much.
Speaker 1: So all we gotta do is find the uh, we
Speaker 1: gotta find whatever the the equivalent for the Jamie Kellner
Speaker 1: character is and then everybody will kind of universally team
Speaker 1: up and beat him down. You know, he was he
Speaker 1: was the exact on on Sarah's show back on the
Speaker 1: day on Buffy, and so when he I used to
Speaker 1: give him ship all the time, I'd be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick your ass when he'd be like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's not me. I'd be like, I know exactly, it
Speaker 1: was you. I used to give him ship all the time,
Speaker 1: but it worked out great for me. You're the last
Speaker 1: one to complain about You're You're as big as fit.
Speaker 1: You would be here right now. I would be working
Speaker 1: in football and I would still be very happy, but
Speaker 1: I would I would never have unlocked this part of
Speaker 1: my life. You get to do something creative, which is
Speaker 1: real special and in the most respectful way. A part
Speaker 1: of me is even like a little jealous man, because
Speaker 1: it's just like I see they can't see you smiling,
Speaker 1: but I see you smile when you talk about your job,
Speaker 1: and to see people get to do what they love,
Speaker 1: that you that you never work a day if you
Speaker 1: do what you love. Whatever. The saying is like, you
Speaker 1: look really happy and you look really motivated. Man, So
Speaker 1: thanks so much that I appreciate you, dude, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me the time to talk on the show.
Speaker 1: And it's I mean honestly doing the doing the show.
Speaker 1: And I hope that the people listening to this and
Speaker 1: enjoyed it nearly as much as we've enjoyed recording it.
Speaker 1: We'll have you on for a repeat, We'll do a repeat.
Speaker 1: I would love to do a repeat, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, talk more wrestling. I felt like every time
Speaker 1: I got going, like I was trying to, I want
Speaker 1: to really put it's you, it's your full You like clue,
Speaker 1: and it's like once once people like clue. It's like
Speaker 1: when there's two people that like wrestling in a poker game,
Speaker 1: Like the one person they kind of like wrestler, but
Speaker 1: if there's another one there, all of a sudden, nobody
Speaker 1: could touch him and they become powerful. And that's what
Speaker 1: we did today. That's right, that's it, and that is it.
Speaker 1: I mean, give me two wrestling people. I heard Karen
Speaker 1: Coulton's a big fan. Karen is like crazy hard. You
Speaker 1: gotta meet this dude. Man, he's a New Yorker. Um,
Speaker 1: he's working like crazy on succession. But this dude is
Speaker 1: like an encyclopedia. I've seen. He's been kicked out of
Speaker 1: a wrestling he threw a beer a big show. He
Speaker 1: got so mad one time and got thrown out of
Speaker 1: a wrestling show. They made up. Um. I watched him
Speaker 1: wrestle the Miss at WrestleMania and Arizona. When Brett harton
Speaker 1: O Whole Heart Family came in on Vince Um. They
Speaker 1: wrestled for forty minutes in our hotel room and it
Speaker 1: was like a shoot match almost, and and then Karen
Speaker 1: lays down finally and miss pins him for the one
Speaker 1: too three, a forty minute match. Bro, Like he was
Speaker 1: so I'm sure he still loves it, but back then,
Speaker 1: like he was so hardcore. Bro. He had a closet
Speaker 1: full of like the action figures and like chose them over.
Speaker 1: His girlfriend at the time was like, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: rid of those yuk bouts and she did, and he
Speaker 1: was glad. He's a gangster. Bro. I love this guy.
Speaker 1: I gotta you know what's crazy. It's my favorite show
Speaker 1: Succession and I can say and not only is it
Speaker 1: that the absolute truth, but I can also say that
Speaker 1: and put it over because the media partners with HBO
Speaker 1: and TNT, so it's like its synergy. But it's also
Speaker 1: really my favorite show. It's even my dad's favorite. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, there's gotta be a like an odd
Speaker 1: connection for you there, because there is that huge patriarch
Speaker 1: father figure and then the son that wants today I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do my thing but I want to make you
Speaker 1: proud at the same time, you gotta connect to that
Speaker 1: big time. Kendell never had wrestling Like Kendel never had
Speaker 1: that thing in his life that he could go do
Speaker 1: because what was he supposed to do? Like I never
Speaker 1: this got me apart from my dad where people say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's Tony, Like that's what because working in football even
Speaker 1: until like working on statistics, even Fulham were I'm the
Speaker 1: general manager and negotiating all the contracts and and taking
Speaker 1: all the heat. Uh, you know, they're maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit more in England, but for the most part, like
Speaker 1: I'm known for being until a w my father's son,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, Kendall and none of the
Speaker 1: Roys really never had that. They never had that thing,
Speaker 1: that project they wanted to do, that they needed. They
Speaker 1: just want the whole thing. They wanted his whole empire,
Speaker 1: the whole business. None of them ever sent their teeth
Speaker 1: in the one thing. And I mean, you know, Kendell
Speaker 1: never had that. Roman never had that, and uh and
Speaker 1: she had never had that, and obviously Connor never had Roman.
Speaker 1: Roman is going to be the one that starts the
Speaker 1: indie company well. Season eight succession what's crazy to mean
Speaker 1: about success? But my favorite show, Karen Holkin is like
Speaker 1: so this crazy wrestling band. I've heard Nick bron is
Speaker 1: also a big wrestling fan. Plays cousin Greg and you
Speaker 1: know who is I have yet Now I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to meet him. He's been he's common. He was a
Speaker 1: guest in our board room, but I had not gotten
Speaker 1: to go see him in person. Jeffy Armstrong is a huge,
Speaker 1: full of fan really this season Take Older Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I cannot believe that's I'm such a huge fan
Speaker 1: of his his work, so it really excited to meet
Speaker 1: him too, because it's such a great show. But the
Speaker 1: connections and it's such a small world they it really is,
Speaker 1: and it keeps getting smaller this circle. Um. I think
Speaker 1: Karen's best actor on the network period. Like the work
Speaker 1: he's put up the last two years. You can put
Speaker 1: up against anybody and you ain't gonna say someone did better. Incredible,
Speaker 1: He's one of the He's amazing. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best actors on television right now. I totally agree the
Speaker 1: Roman character. I could I could watch the session all day,
Speaker 1: all night. Well there you go. We went from wrestling
Speaker 1: to clue to Madeline, con to Glenn, close to Growing Pains,
Speaker 1: to Succession and the Circle before what Yeah, what, especially
Speaker 1: because I think somebody who is close to it was
Speaker 1: close to your your father was Gary Schandler, and that
Speaker 1: was the best show. My wife and I used to
Speaker 1: sit in bed and watch it together all the time. Man,
Speaker 1: all the damn times that show. And I still do.
Speaker 1: I think there's like, that's the show when I have
Speaker 1: like reflective moments, like at the beginning of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I watched so much stuff to try and get a handle,
Speaker 1: like what are we gonna do? What I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: The shows? And I watched Letterman with no audience during
Speaker 1: the hurricane, and I was like, this is what only
Speaker 1: Dave could do this. It was David Denzel and an
Speaker 1: empty studio, and I was like, this is what I
Speaker 1: don't want to do because I don't think any would
Speaker 1: pull this off. It was I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to it because sometimes the crowds
Speaker 1: make me mad. And about three minutes and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was wrong. This needs a crowd and it needs
Speaker 1: one right now. And I hope they screamed super loud,
Speaker 1: Well you might have heard me told us throwing in
Speaker 1: another show, but like, because that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: I was, So I was digging deep watching stuff. I
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of Larry Sanders, so I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get introspective. That's what I watched. And uh. And then
Speaker 1: he's such a self hater though careful people on the internet, like,
Speaker 1: nobody hates me more than I hate myself and uh,
Speaker 1: and it's like I'll never see me on TV more
Speaker 1: than a minute or two making an announcement like in
Speaker 1: the hundred twenty seven episodes, the only times I've ever
Speaker 1: gone out there were announced the Ring of Honor, just
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Brody Lee and seven episodes I've shown
Speaker 1: my face for me five minutes total, and you know,
Speaker 1: out of thousands and thousands. So um, I there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that like uh in me and also already
Speaker 1: like trying to keep everything together. Uh. And then Hank,
Speaker 1: which is like anybody in your life that like every well,
Speaker 1: we're rough on Hank, but we love Hank. But there's
Speaker 1: one hand comes through It makes it all. And so
Speaker 1: I love Larry Sanders, but um, and I would watch that.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I really watched. It helped me
Speaker 1: in the Pandemic was Um one of my friends is
Speaker 1: a writer for Fallon, and they had the staff and
Speaker 1: crew in the audience for the for the Pandemic episodes
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and it set them apart from the
Speaker 1: other talk shows because even though he made only had
Speaker 1: a dozen what you couldn't see at least there was
Speaker 1: some laughter. Though that's it. It was of the utility
Speaker 1: of a fall audience, and that's what I realized. It
Speaker 1: was like, if I put a small audience of the
Speaker 1: crew and wrestlers around the rain, that's gonna have Mostly
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be quite as good, but it'll be
Speaker 1: the best thing. It's better than just nothing. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be in a funeral home watch in wrestling, man,
Speaker 1: like you want to. You want some energy. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: we're about to side quest again and go on for
Speaker 1: another three hours. We have to do another episode, but
Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our listeners. I want
Speaker 1: to thank you, and this has been the most pleasantly
Speaker 1: jealous I've been in a very long time. So thanks
Speaker 1: now in the in the best possible way. I love
Speaker 1: what you're doing and it makes me wanna It makes
Speaker 1: me wanna reach out more. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It makes me wanna stretch, stretch more, wings like that.
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