1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back, and here is part two 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: of our interview with Tony count Now stuffing up to 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: the mic. The host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie Bruce June. Yeah, 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: m JF my favorite wrestler right now, the man at 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: the moment, I was watching MLW and it was, you know, 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: hard to miss. And JF Uh did he cut a 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: promo that night? Uh? He cut? I watched him money. 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I watched like for weeks and weeks and months and 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: months all through so I saw cut a lot of promos. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: They had a lot of good people on the show 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: at that time. Um and uh so I was. I 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: was watching it pretty regularly looking for people, so I 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: would go back in that summer and and and Jeff 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: was one of the real standout people. You know. Uh 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: just topped top of my head. And this is the 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: same stuff all hardcore fans might have been watching at 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: that time. But I was really into New Japan. They 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: had the show on Access but also a court in 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: New Japan World and that was, like he said, A 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: big part of my business case was, um, you know, 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: taking Omega versus Jericho, bringing it to America, and I 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: knew that match had been a huge fan event around 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: the world, and I thought on American pay per view 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: it would draw a big audience and also would draw 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: a big house having seen what they did at the Tokyoo, 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: and and then I was trying to build a roster 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: kind of around and obviously, like you know, Young Bucks 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: versus Luta Brothers is a great tag match that that 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: could headline of pay per view. Um, so you love 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: you love tag team wrestling, You actually love it. This 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: is a fan thing, okay, because I I pushed every 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: well not just me, everyone when I worked there, pushed 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: so hard, and Vince was always like, I'm paying four 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: people for one match, and so he just he hated 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: he hated it. That's why it's never been that legitimate. 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: But except maybe like eight months here, three months here 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: and then not forget all that, but you have a 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: genuine love for it to the point where you guys 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: just put Moxley and and and and Brian together. Now 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: even nobody's beating them, bro, nobody's beating them. Nobody, nobody 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: is beating the American Dragon period. And my nobody's beating them. 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: No way, I'll do a run in and prevent the pinfall. 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: If it happens, those men will be killers. I love 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: that you guys put them together. They're so great and uh, 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: it's a great parent. I didn't want to and I 46 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: don't want a short change. Uh m JF. We still 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: haven't given. Don't worry. He won't let you no E, Definitely, 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I won't. I won't be able to do that. And 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: heast that's one person I'm not gonna have a change 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: to short change. He's Uh, such a great wrestler, is 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: such a great professional. And you were talking about all 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: the great stuff that CM punkin m JF did uh 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: in building up their dog collar match, the revolution and 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: telling the story. It's one of the best things I've 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: ever been a part of in my life. I haven't 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: loved a match like that. And I don't know how 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: long period I I literally start to finish all like 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: they say, suspension of disbelief, All that was gone, Like 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: I literally, you guys built up to it. This kid, 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: he's like twenty four years old, this kid or twenty 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: six years old. Some crazy. I was such an idiot 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: at that age, and just to see how crisp and 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: clean and precise all this was. To see that match 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: and you guys had a long chain and so like 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: even like the visuals when they were tired and spread 66 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: out across the ring, it was just like it looked 67 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: you could pause it and take a photo like. I 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: loved everything, And I think it is the best story 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and the best maybe not best match, because there's some 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: other ones that have got to be up there with it, 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: but the best story that I've seen you guys do, 72 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: and the best story that I've seen in wrestling period 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: since before I ever wrote a wrestling story. And I 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you the one I liked more. Well, 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: it's love, I love, I love, Thank you man. It 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: means a lot to me to hear that. But also 77 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: it's emblematic uh uh my philosophy in a lot of 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: ways because I give all the credits to two of 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: them and Jaff and see him punk. I am that 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: administrator in a lot of ways. And what I think 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: is really cool is you know what people people will 82 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: ask why I don't have a lot of writers, It's 83 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: because I've worked with the top talent and there's all 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: developed stories and programs front all due to everything and 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: say like you're gonna do this, this and this, You're 86 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: gonna here's ere gonna work this week. We're gonna build 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: you up, and then at the end of the next week, 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: I'll explain where we're going next week. And you can 89 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: do that with like some younger people, but with like 90 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: and Jeff and see him punk, you know, with each 91 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: of them, I spent hours and hours sitting and planning 92 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: and talking, and they both team in with such great 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: ideas and a lot of this stuff just matched up beautifully. 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: And they both had like long term story ideas and 95 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: things that to do. And when you have wrestlers with 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: those kinds of great ideas, Look, I don't have to 97 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: do every idea that it's thrown in here and tried to. 98 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I try to pick the best one 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: and talk to different people about different ideas. But I 100 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: feel like I'm better off talking to the two of them. 101 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: I imagine if I'd gone off in a room with 102 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: neither of them, with like six other people and then 103 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: to this was the death of This was the death 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: of every good idea that people smashed. The writer's room 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: for w W is so often and I've even being 106 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: critical and I've written some dog stories too, by the way, Um, 107 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: but the fact that there would be literally forty or 108 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: more people that all got to have say on a storyline. 109 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: The day of a show, I literally would just be like, guys, 110 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: this is so far removed from what it started as. 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: This won't how how can we make it? Was crazy? 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: So I love that control a controlled envirus with Brian Denna, 113 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: he rest in Peace. We're talking about a lot of 114 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: past on actors. But h he said artist, Brian Denna, 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: he said artist, Oh my god, Okay. He was like 116 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: a mentor to me on Summer Catch. He was a 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: great dude. I went to go watch him a Iceman 118 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: comment on Broadway and he killed it and I was like, man, 119 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: you're amazing. And he goes Freddie actors or he said 120 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: artists need an environment that's conducive to success, and I 121 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, that's why this movie sucked. That 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: movie and I started like put peace and things together. 123 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: And he was just such an old school, like clean 124 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: personality like that. I love that you can trust your 125 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: talent like that, and the ones who you who you 126 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: can't you can help kind of shape and develop and 127 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: bring up and not force the entire world upon their 128 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: shoulders before they're ready. The entire thing was the three 129 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: of us like that, and that's how it should be, 130 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: like jealous, right, and that's like that's and and it's 131 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: been like that a lot. Like the same thing when 132 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: Paul came in with Darby, you know, he and I, 133 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Punk and I sat down put ideas together, and then 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I went to Darby and nobody in the wrestling business 135 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: knew what was going on with me and Punk, and 136 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: I went to Darby and said, it's the promo you're 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: gonna do. And basically it was the one I think, uh, 138 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe ten days before the first dance. I 139 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: think it was um in early August. And the line 140 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: I gave Darby was a w you know, no matter 141 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: how great you think you are, if you want to 142 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: prove it, you have to come to a w even 143 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: if you think you're the best in the world. And 144 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: I knew that like that one line would Yeah, that's 145 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: it's great. And like working with different people, you know, 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: whether it's uh Moxley and and Danielson or the Young 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: Bucks and Adam Cole and Tenny when when he spent 148 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: healthy obviously Jericho and Eddie Kingston, Oh my gosh, Eddie. 149 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Eddie gets some of the biggest reactions in the damn company. 150 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: They love him and that story they told was beautiful, 151 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: and I love that he didn't shake his hand and 152 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: there was so much hatefulness. But Eddie's talking on the mic. 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I had him on the show Man and I told 154 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: him this. On the show, I said, and you guys 155 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: need to give your social media people are raised by 156 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the way you guys cut together a clip with some 157 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: music and Eddie was talking about some some Latino pride 158 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not full Puerto Rican either, and 159 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I leg it, like my eyes welled up. I was like, Yo, 160 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: this guy is gonna make me cry. And then like 161 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: three months later he's making me want to watch him 162 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: fight somebody. I was just like, they have some dudes 163 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: that I am in love with. We talked off air 164 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: about my love for for cargill Um, who I told 165 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: you I think literally is is the goddess Athena just 166 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: she never left and all the all the other Greek 167 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: gods died and she just ate them or or consumed 168 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: their souls or something. I think she I literally have 169 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: never It's like when I was a it in the eighties, 170 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: I saw the ultimate warrior at a house show in 171 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Tinglely Colisseum, which was a rodeo house in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 172 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: And he looked like he was sculpted from granite and 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: that his muscles didn't even push in when the other 174 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: men punched him. Like everything it was like body armor. 175 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: And when I saw her, I was literally watching it 176 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: with my twelve year old daughter, and my daughter I 177 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: don't care about language. She's seen all Sarah's in my movies, 178 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: so language isn't it. But when Jade Gargill talked about 179 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: being a bad bitch, and I literally watched my daughter's 180 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: head and you guys can't see this Tony camp, but 181 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: her literally her whole posture when Jade said that, she 182 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: just went up up, up, chest out shin hai and 183 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: it was just like she would looked like she was 184 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: ready to fight. And I was like, yo, she just 185 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: had her ultimate worrior like she literally was like, yeah, 186 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm taking pride. It was this crazy moment where I'm like, 187 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: that's why I still love wrestling to this to this 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: day is because of stuff like that. And I've gotten 189 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: to kind of jump back in through my children, and 190 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. People talk about the craziness of wrestling. 191 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I think this is a renaissance for wrestling. It's a 192 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: rebirth and you guys have shown it now for a 193 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: couple of years and have a consistent number that I 194 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: can't wait to watch grow. Um, you guys are coming 195 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: to l A soon. I want to come to that show. Uh. 196 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run in. I will not affect any matches, 197 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: even if Moxley is in trouble and uh, but I 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: just want to go. I haven't been to a live 199 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: show in so long. I got to indie shows out here, 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: but it's a different vibe. You guys are gonna be 201 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: at the Forum, which is beautiful now since they bought 202 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: it and refurbished it. The acoustics are great in there. 203 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful space. And a w W A 204 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: abandoned our West coasts. There's no more summer slams here, 205 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: So let us show you. Let us make you feel 206 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: at home. Man, we'll sell your asses out. I'm I've 207 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: lived in l A for you know, years of my life, 208 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and uh, I think wait to come back. M h. 209 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: I said this once in another interview, but I went 210 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: completely over the head of everybody in the room, I 211 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: said it too, so you'll appreciate this much more than 212 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: anyone else in that media scrum. I think, uh so, 213 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: like I love going back, and I was back to 214 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: the super Bowl and it was the first time I've 215 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: been able to really hang out in l A in 216 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: a while because I was back for a few days 217 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: and I went to Craigs and you know, there's like 218 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: a paparazzi out in front of Craigs, and I'm sure 219 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: that whenever you walk into a friend and Freddy didn't 220 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: want to take photos and that's why I hide out. Yeah, 221 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: Like so when I when I never had that at 222 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Craigs before, like where they like mob me and I 223 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: got right like, oh, man, like this is a very 224 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: different l A than the last man TMZ likes for wrestling. Bro. 225 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: It's it's you know, Hollywood embraces or embraced wrestling one 226 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: time one time in the eighties, and then it was 227 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: always kind of like this, yeah, they're in our business, 228 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: but not really in our business. Like in the nineties 229 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: when I was coming up, they'd be like pretty your 230 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: film act or not a TV actor. I'm like what 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Glenn Close does a 232 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: show on effects and it's like opens up the floodgates 233 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: for everyone right close. What a really nice lady, bro. 234 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: She and only one other actor are the only people 235 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: who have ever won an Academy Award, Tony Award and 236 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: an Emmy Award. It's like her and Jack Albertson from 237 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Willy Wonka to Chocolate Factor. It's so talented but also 238 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: like a really really nice person. We went to the 239 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: Abaijing Olympics together. What whoa whoa what? What American contingent 240 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: of people like our our my family and some other families. Uh, 241 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: there was like it was like a group of CEOs 242 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: and her husband and my dad and a bunch of 243 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: people organized this up to Beijing for the two thous Olympics. 244 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: I just graduated college like maybe a year prior, and 245 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: I was I was working my first job, and uh 246 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. But like the Beijing Olympics, 247 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: it was a real experience and like these days, they 248 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: organized this like tour. So we were like going game 249 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: to game and there was no food, like and we 250 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: get to the I haven't seen her in years, but 251 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: this is like she was so nice. Um. We got 252 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: into the basketball games and it was USA versus China. 253 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: It was at the time the most watched supporting event 254 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of all time. There are three billion people watched the 255 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: USA versus China, and USA had Lebron, Kobe, Yeah, Carmelo, 256 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: so many great players and uh. And I went out 257 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: and the concession stand all. Now, the one thing they 258 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: did in Beijing really well is all the stuff on 259 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the menu was very affordably priced. But like it was like, 260 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was like meat on stick, which is like, Okay, 261 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: what's this gonna be? And could you just tell me 262 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: what kind of meat? Yeah, there was just one thing. 263 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it said, but I think it 264 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: said biscuits or something, and I was like, I've tried 265 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: what is At this point I got to see that 266 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: it turned out to be Rich tract on Oh, like 267 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: biscuits like English crackers. Yeah. Like so I get like 268 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: a box of rich crackers and the Olympics I sit 269 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: down unclosed looks at me and she goes, oh my god, 270 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: rich practice, where did you get those? Like it's so like, uh, 271 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was such a great talent. Also, you know, 272 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: all those old school actresses are so smooth, and so 273 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: I fell in love with all of them a little bit, man, 274 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: and they always have like great quotes. I remember Kathleen 275 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: Turner was quoted as saying, a movie is a marriage 276 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: with a guaranteed divorce. So fall in love as much 277 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: as you want because it end's suit enough. And it 278 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: was just like, Yo, that's some smooth ship. I would 279 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: never say, I'd be like, movies are cool, like making 280 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: the like it would never sound smooth like that. Man. 281 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: I love that you got to hang with her. When 282 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: I was coming up, I always got to, you know. 283 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: My dad charmed a lot of people, so they they 284 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: were good to me, you know. And I met a 285 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: lot of old school cats and I could always tell 286 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: if they had slept with my father or not based 287 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: on the way they said. Hi, I'll tell you that 288 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: you'll love this story. Okay, you're the perfect age for this. 289 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: So you remember Joanna Kerns from Growing Pains, Okay, so 290 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: sweetest mom in the world. In the seventies. She was 291 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: a dancer and a really good one, and my dad 292 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: was dating her, and that he used to go on 293 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: dates with her and Pam Greer because they liked each other. 294 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: So we take them both out at the same time. 295 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: This is seventies game. So I'm on a pilot that 296 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: didn't get picked up and Joanna Kurrens is playing one 297 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: of the roles and I didn't even know and I 298 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: go into the trailer and I see her look at 299 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: me and double take and she goes hi. So right 300 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: away I know the hand sex. Right right away, I 301 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: know they had sex because there's always a breath first, 302 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: it's always and if it's not, if it's just oh, hello, 303 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: then I know they were just friends and cool. Right 304 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: So right away, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is awkward. 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and she goes this quiet and 306 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: awkward and she goes, can I tell you a story 307 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: about your dad? And I was like, I was waiting 308 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: for it. So she goes, okay, your dad and I 309 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: it was and we were on a date with Pam Greer, 310 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: me and your dad at a restaurant and Richard Pryor 311 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: called the restaurant and he said, hey, I'm having a 312 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: party at my house. Come by, and Richard discovered my father. 313 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: But he was very jealous of my father because he 314 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: loved Pam Greer, and Pam wrote about this in her biography, 315 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: so it's not like uh an autobias, it's not like 316 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: telling tales out of school. But she loved my daddy. 317 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: So my dad brought Pam and Joanna to Richard's house 318 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: and there was no party. My my dad in the seventies, 319 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: Playboy Radio would do comedy from like ten pm to 320 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: two am on the radio, and a lot of comments 321 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: would try out new new material there just to see 322 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: how it would play it. And my dad had a 323 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: set that he hated, and Richard got the set and 324 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: he started playing it as soon as they walked in, 325 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you're gonna fall in love with 326 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: this on motherfucker. And my dad goes, and Joanne's telling 327 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: me the story. She goes, your dad jumped over the couch, 328 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: punched Richard in the face, took the real office like 329 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: it was on like a wheel to wheel audio thing, 330 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: grab Pam and left me. I said, what, She goes, Yeah, 331 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: he forgot me at Richard's house. I go, what did 332 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: Richard do? He said, bitch, get yourself a cab through 333 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: her holy ship. That's one of the greatest stories I 334 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: ever hear. The old school actresses are always the best man, 335 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: always and the seventies were the seventies, man, So they 336 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: get to have the coolest stories. Our stories are like, yeah, 337 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: that was pretty sweet. There's a you know, an hour 338 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: long and awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I've got nothing that can 339 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: compared to that we were. We were just born in 340 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: the wrong generation, that's all. But listen, dude, you you're 341 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: kicking so much ass man. And I love to see 342 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: the growth of the of the brand that you're building. 343 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: I love to see your take on the business. What's 344 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: your favorite stuff? Like not you take the modern taking 345 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: whatever and not that I'm saying, be said you like 346 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of what we're doing going back, Like, you know, 347 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: what's your favorite stuff? So, like, if I had to 348 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: my favorite sort of moments. I loved when JBL invaded 349 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: ECW and cut the Wrestling God promo. That's one of 350 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: my favorite promos of all time. Uh, Bret, you love 351 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: the original One Night? Yeah? Yeah? Um. I loved Bret Hart, 352 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: not Shawn Michaels. I always pulled pulled for Bret Hart. 353 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I always believed in Bret Hart. All my friends pulled 354 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: for Shawn Michael's. Karen Culkin and I still argue about 355 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: it to this day and in a very unfriendly way. Yes, 356 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: very much, so very much, So I gotta go. Lenarly 357 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: taught my dad out of freaking drive, so I gotta go. Lit. 358 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: I felt like we're the way people went back and 359 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: forth on it. It reminds me of Dave and j 360 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: because it was like to like people and in the 361 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: same era in the nineties, these two and especially with 362 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes stuff going on to it was 363 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: very similar. He used to be friends and they were 364 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: really a big part of like and you know, Brett 365 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: had like done a lot to help advance Shahn's career 366 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: when even be a singles wrestler, just like David a 367 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: lot to advanced to day his career um as a 368 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: comedian when and uh and then the way it shook 369 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: out and one guy being maybe flash here and the 370 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: other guy being more In Dave's case, I would say 371 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: like a little bit more probably the comics comics, I 372 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: would I would say he's the more intellectual of the 373 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: comics and Jay was the more mainstream, right like Jay 374 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: had Jay. I I know Jay Leno's seventies set because 375 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: my dad gave him his first job and he literally 376 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: had jokes about milk and cookies you know what I mean, 377 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: whereas like Dave let him is never going to touch 378 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: that subject unless it's in the most cynical way possible, 379 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with milk or cookies. 380 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: That's just like you know, the color for it. So 381 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: they were very different, very different comics as far as 382 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: like an accessible, safe and and one who doesn't care 383 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: if you don't get his joke. He just doesn't care, 384 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Dave, Dave doesn't care 385 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: if you don't get to Dave used to be rough 386 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: on a guest if the guest wasn't that good, he 387 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: would kind of dump on the guest, whereas Jay's like, 388 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: let's let's let's sparkle. Let's sparkle. But I think actors 389 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: and comics and musicians always wanted to earn Dave's respect 390 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: more than Jay's when they were doing the shows back 391 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: in the day. There's so many wrestlers in the business 392 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: and they talk about in the same way about trying to, 393 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, getting respect. From Brett Hard it's like the 394 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: highest because he's so sparing with it. He doesn't throw 395 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: it out there. He really it's an old school philosophy 396 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: hand out dignity demand people earn respect. Everyone deserves dignity, 397 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: but respect should be earned on a case by case basis, 398 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: and Bret Hart embodies that way more than anything I 399 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: just said, you know what I mean, Like he's so 400 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: hardcore about it, and that's still so Yeah. I've always 401 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Brett, But like I 402 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: watched just like gotta watched America go back and forth 403 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: on Dave and Jay. I watched uh, you know, the 404 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: w WF even go back on the fans hand Vince 405 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah Worth on them at different points, and it's really 406 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: kind of a fascinating thing to watch. Like the experience 407 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Bob Right and NBC was probably having was very similar 408 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: to the experiences Vince was having very much, so very much. 409 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: So all we gotta do is find the uh, we 410 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: gotta find whatever the the equivalent for the Jamie Kellner 411 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: character is and then everybody will kind of universally team 412 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: up and beat him down. You know, he was he 413 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: was the exact on on Sarah's show back on the 414 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: day on Buffy, and so when he I used to 415 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: give him ship all the time, I'd be like, dude, 416 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick your ass when he'd be like, dude, 417 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: it's not me. I'd be like, I know exactly, it 418 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: was you. I used to give him ship all the time, 419 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: but it worked out great for me. You're the last 420 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: one to complain about You're You're as big as fit. 421 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: You would be here right now. I would be working 422 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: in football and I would still be very happy, but 423 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: I would I would never have unlocked this part of 424 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: my life. You get to do something creative, which is 425 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: real special and in the most respectful way. A part 426 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: of me is even like a little jealous man, because 427 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: it's just like I see they can't see you smiling, 428 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: but I see you smile when you talk about your job, 429 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: and to see people get to do what they love, 430 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: that you that you never work a day if you 431 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: do what you love. Whatever. The saying is like, you 432 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: look really happy and you look really motivated. Man, So 433 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: thanks so much that I appreciate you, dude, thank you. 434 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me the time to talk on the show. 435 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: And it's I mean honestly doing the doing the show. 436 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: And I hope that the people listening to this and 437 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed it nearly as much as we've enjoyed recording it. 438 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: We'll have you on for a repeat, We'll do a repeat. 439 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: I would love to do a repeat, and and uh, 440 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, talk more wrestling. I felt like every time 441 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: I got going, like I was trying to, I want 442 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: to really put it's you, it's your full You like clue, 443 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and it's like once once people like clue. It's like 444 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: when there's two people that like wrestling in a poker game, 445 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Like the one person they kind of like wrestler, but 446 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: if there's another one there, all of a sudden, nobody 447 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: could touch him and they become powerful. And that's what 448 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: we did today. That's right, that's it, and that is it. 449 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, give me two wrestling people. I heard Karen 450 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Coulton's a big fan. Karen is like crazy hard. You 451 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: gotta meet this dude. Man, he's a New Yorker. Um, 452 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: he's working like crazy on succession. But this dude is 453 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: like an encyclopedia. I've seen. He's been kicked out of 454 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: a wrestling he threw a beer a big show. He 455 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: got so mad one time and got thrown out of 456 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: a wrestling show. They made up. Um. I watched him 457 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: wrestle the Miss at WrestleMania and Arizona. When Brett harton 458 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: O Whole Heart Family came in on Vince Um. They 459 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: wrestled for forty minutes in our hotel room and it 460 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: was like a shoot match almost, and and then Karen 461 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: lays down finally and miss pins him for the one 462 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: too three, a forty minute match. Bro, Like he was 463 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: so I'm sure he still loves it, but back then, 464 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: like he was so hardcore. Bro. He had a closet 465 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: full of like the action figures and like chose them over. 466 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: His girlfriend at the time was like, I'm not getting 467 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: rid of those yuk bouts and she did, and he 468 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: was glad. He's a gangster. Bro. I love this guy. 469 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: I gotta you know what's crazy. It's my favorite show 470 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Succession and I can say and not only is it 471 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: that the absolute truth, but I can also say that 472 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: and put it over because the media partners with HBO 473 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: and TNT, so it's like its synergy. But it's also 474 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: really my favorite show. It's even my dad's favorite. I 475 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: was gonna say, there's gotta be a like an odd 476 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: connection for you there, because there is that huge patriarch 477 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: father figure and then the son that wants today I'm 478 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna do my thing but I want to make you 479 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: proud at the same time, you gotta connect to that 480 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: big time. Kendell never had wrestling Like Kendel never had 481 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: that thing in his life that he could go do 482 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: because what was he supposed to do? Like I never 483 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: this got me apart from my dad where people say, Okay, 484 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: that's Tony, Like that's what because working in football even 485 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: until like working on statistics, even Fulham were I'm the 486 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: general manager and negotiating all the contracts and and taking 487 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: all the heat. Uh, you know, they're maybe a little 488 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: bit more in England, but for the most part, like 489 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm known for being until a w my father's son, 490 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: and it was you know, Kendall and none of the 491 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: Roys really never had that. They never had that thing, 492 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: that project they wanted to do, that they needed. They 493 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: just want the whole thing. They wanted his whole empire, 494 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: the whole business. None of them ever sent their teeth 495 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: in the one thing. And I mean, you know, Kendell 496 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: never had that. Roman never had that, and uh and 497 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: she had never had that, and obviously Connor never had Roman. 498 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: Roman is going to be the one that starts the 499 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: indie company well. Season eight succession what's crazy to mean 500 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: about success? But my favorite show, Karen Holkin is like 501 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: so this crazy wrestling band. I've heard Nick bron is 502 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: also a big wrestling fan. Plays cousin Greg and you 503 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: know who is I have yet Now I'm really excited 504 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: to meet him. He's been he's common. He was a 505 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: guest in our board room, but I had not gotten 506 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: to go see him in person. Jeffy Armstrong is a huge, 507 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: full of fan really this season Take Older Yeah, yeah, 508 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: And I cannot believe that's I'm such a huge fan 509 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: of his his work, so it really excited to meet 510 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: him too, because it's such a great show. But the 511 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: connections and it's such a small world they it really is, 512 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: and it keeps getting smaller this circle. Um. I think 513 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: Karen's best actor on the network period. Like the work 514 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: he's put up the last two years. You can put 515 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: up against anybody and you ain't gonna say someone did better. Incredible, 516 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: He's one of the He's amazing. He's one of the 517 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: best actors on television right now. I totally agree the 518 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Roman character. I could I could watch the session all day, 519 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: all night. Well there you go. We went from wrestling 520 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: to clue to Madeline, con to Glenn, close to Growing Pains, 521 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: to Succession and the Circle before what Yeah, what, especially 522 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: because I think somebody who is close to it was 523 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: close to your your father was Gary Schandler, and that 524 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: was the best show. My wife and I used to 525 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: sit in bed and watch it together all the time. Man, 526 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: all the damn times that show. And I still do. 527 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: I think there's like, that's the show when I have 528 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: like reflective moments, like at the beginning of the pandemic, 529 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I watched so much stuff to try and get a handle, 530 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: like what are we gonna do? What I'm gonna do? 531 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: The shows? And I watched Letterman with no audience during 532 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: the hurricane, and I was like, this is what only 533 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: Dave could do this. It was David Denzel and an 534 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: empty studio, and I was like, this is what I 535 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: don't want to do because I don't think any would 536 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: pull this off. It was I'll be honest with you. 537 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: I was looking forward to it because sometimes the crowds 538 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: make me mad. And about three minutes and I was like, yeah, 539 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: I was wrong. This needs a crowd and it needs 540 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: one right now. And I hope they screamed super loud, 541 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Well you might have heard me told us throwing in 542 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: another show, but like, because that's the thing that I 543 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: I was, So I was digging deep watching stuff. I 544 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: watched a bunch of Larry Sanders, so I'm trying to 545 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: get introspective. That's what I watched. And uh. And then 546 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: he's such a self hater though careful people on the internet, like, 547 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: nobody hates me more than I hate myself and uh, 548 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: and it's like I'll never see me on TV more 549 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: than a minute or two making an announcement like in 550 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: the hundred twenty seven episodes, the only times I've ever 551 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: gone out there were announced the Ring of Honor, just 552 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: say goodbye to Brody Lee and seven episodes I've shown 553 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: my face for me five minutes total, and you know, 554 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: out of thousands and thousands. So um, I there's a 555 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: lot of that like uh in me and also already 556 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: like trying to keep everything together. Uh. And then Hank, 557 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: which is like anybody in your life that like every well, 558 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: we're rough on Hank, but we love Hank. But there's 559 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: one hand comes through It makes it all. And so 560 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: I love Larry Sanders, but um, and I would watch that. 561 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: But the other thing I really watched. It helped me 562 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: in the Pandemic was Um one of my friends is 563 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: a writer for Fallon, and they had the staff and 564 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: crew in the audience for the for the Pandemic episodes 565 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: at the beginning, and it set them apart from the 566 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: other talk shows because even though he made only had 567 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: a dozen what you couldn't see at least there was 568 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: some laughter. Though that's it. It was of the utility 569 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: of a fall audience, and that's what I realized. It 570 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: was like, if I put a small audience of the 571 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: crew and wrestlers around the rain, that's gonna have Mostly 572 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be quite as good, but it'll be 573 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: the best thing. It's better than just nothing. You don't 574 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: want to be in a funeral home watch in wrestling, man, 575 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: like you want to. You want some energy. Man, I'm 576 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: we're about to side quest again and go on for 577 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: another three hours. We have to do another episode, but 578 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our listeners. I want 579 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: to thank you, and this has been the most pleasantly 580 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: jealous I've been in a very long time. So thanks 581 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: now in the in the best possible way. I love 582 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: what you're doing and it makes me wanna It makes 583 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: me wanna reach out more. You know what I mean? 584 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: It makes me wanna stretch, stretch more, wings like that. 585 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: This has been a production of I Hearts Michael podcast Network. 586 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for My Heart Radio, visit the I 587 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 588 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. H