1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Dear listeners of Hollywood Land, does it feel like you're 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: stuck in limbo? Standing under a flickering street light at 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: the corner of Hollywood and True Crime, waiting for the 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: next episode of hollywood Land to drop. I got you. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to hollywood Land, the Rap Party. What is happening 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: everybody here? We are in another bonus episode of hollywood Land. Welcome, 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rap Party. This is the show that 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: gets you from one full episode of hollywood Land to 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: the next. The place where movie history is far from boring. 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: It's full of players and fixers and behind the scenesters, 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: and of course it routinely intersects with the world of 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: true crime. My name is Zeth Lundy, writer at Double Elvis, 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: showrunner for hollywood Land, and on this bonus episode we 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: are talking about this week's full episode subject sal Mineo. 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: We are previewing next week's episode on Natalie Wood. We're 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: talking movie and music recommendations, and of course we're going 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: to check out your texts, dms and emails. So come on, everybody, 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: let's party all write all you beautiful people out there 19 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: listening on your phones, your watches, your laptops, your stereos. 20 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: Wherever you are and however you are listening, welcome. We've 21 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: made it to another week. This year is just flying by. 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: And speaking of flying by, we've got a lot to 23 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: cover in this episode. So let's just jump right in, 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: shall we. First up, I just want to get this 25 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: out of the way. If you are listening last week, 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: then you were expecting an episode yesterday on Hunter s. Thompson. 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: As you'll note, or as you've noted already, there is 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: not a Dressed toms An episode in your feed, but 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: instead it's an episode on Salminio. And why is this 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: the case? You ask, Well, the answer is very boring. Really, 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: it's just a little behind the scenes rearranging that we 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: needed to sort of do last minute. Sometimes these things happen, 33 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: but it's all good. The Hunter S. Thompson episode does exist. 34 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: It will be coming at you very soon, so hang 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: tight for that. But in the meantime, you've got the 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Salmonio story to keep you occupied. And honestly, the timing 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: on this is quite uncanny because Salminio, Salminio's death, Salmonio's 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: alleged killer, these things have all been in the news 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: in recent months, which is pretty extraordinary seeing that you 40 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: rarely hear anything in the news about Salmonio anymore. Sal 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: is a bit of a forgotten figure from the golden 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: age of Hollywood. But if you know, you know, and 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: if you dig old Hollywood movies, then the first place 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: you're going to know Salmonio from is of course, Rebel 45 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: without a Cause, the nineteen fifty five classic Coast starring 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: James Dean and Natalie Wood. Interesting sidebar here is that 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: all three of those actors died young, two of them 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances. And by the way, if you haven't 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: heard it, we do have an episode on James Dean 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: and another one on Natalie Wood coming. But out of 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: those three, sal Minio is the least iconic, sort of 52 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: in the major cultural way, which is funny because when 53 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: it comes to the LGBTQ community, he was an early icon. 54 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: He was someone who was not afraid to reveal that 55 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: he was bisexual, which he did in nineteen seventy one 56 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: casually while talking to a reporter. And remember this was 57 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: at a time when saying that sort of thing out 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: loud could kill your career. This was just a few 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: years after Montgomery Cliff died. It was also five years 60 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: before Elton John came out, which, just like sal Elton 61 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: first came out as bisexual and then years later came 62 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: out as gay. I wonder if Sal's strategy, had he lived, 63 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: was a similar one to that. It doesn't really matter 64 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: either way, but it's just interesting to note this that 65 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: once the word got out about Salmonio's sexuality in nineteen 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: seventy one, He's no longer in any movies. His career 67 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: ends there. Movie wise, it ends there. He was in 68 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: a lot of TV shows, he was in theater. But 69 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's wild because sal was Sicilian, so you 70 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: think he would have had a great candidate to be 71 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: in The Godfather, which was being made at that time. 72 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: And I did a little bit of minor research, I think, 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: both when we wrote this episode and also for this 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: rap party episode, and I don't really know there's anything 75 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: in the history of The Godfather of Salmonio being involved 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: in and he sort of talks about that at the time. However, 77 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: Escape from the Planet of the Apes in nineteen seventy 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: one was the last film he ever did, and like 79 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: I said, for the next five years until his murder, 80 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: it was just it was just TV, and he was 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: also working in theater quite notoriously. In nineteen sixty nine, 82 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: which was the year of Woodstock, the year of Manson murders, 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Sal staged a production of a play called Fortune and 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Men's Eyes, which he co starred in with a then 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: unknown own Don Johnson. Now, this play takes place in 86 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: a men's prison. This is decades before the TV show OZ, 87 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: and like I said before, the public was not ready 88 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: for what Sal was ready to show them. Even the 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: New York Times was shocked by this production, and their 90 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: review really drives home my earlier points here, the critic wrote. 91 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine, the critic wrote, quote, would you 92 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: like to see a play that opens with a man 93 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: defecating and continues with such diverting episodes as one boy 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: raping another boy, a fight between two naked boys undershower, 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: a drag scene, a boy masturbating an ecstasy while listening 96 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: to the sound of the boy he loves being whipped 97 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: to within a millimeter of his life. I suggest that 98 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: if this does sound like the kind of play you 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: would like, you need a psychiatrist a lot more than 100 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: you need a theater ticket. Unquote Okay, so fast, forward 101 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy six and sal Mineo, at age thirty seven, 102 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: is brutally stabbed to death outside his apartment complex in 103 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: West Hollywood. We detail all of this in our full 104 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: episode on him. But here's the thing. This episode was 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: first released back in twenty twenty two as part of 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: the Badland Show. We wrote it based on the information 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: we had then. Well just this year, in the last 108 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: few months, as Jeffrey Lebowski would say, new shit has 109 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: come to light, all right, and it's all because of 110 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: this new documentary called Unseen Innocence and also a new 111 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: book called fifty one Years to Life. First of all, 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: the book was written by Lionel Williams, and back in 113 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: the seventies, Lionel Williams was a man with a long 114 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: rap sheet, some gang affiliations. He was the one who 115 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: was rested and charged with Sal's murder in nineteen seventy 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: seven following a very long investigation. And this is after 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: they cops had initially picked him up, cleared him, said 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't involved, but then came back around through some 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 1: other evidence and arrested him. Now, Lionel Williams then and 120 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: forever more claimed that he had no idea who Salmonia 121 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: was and the killing, I guess was chalked up to 122 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: like a robbery gone sideways. The thing as In an 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: addition to saying that he didn't know who sal was, 124 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Lionel Williams has always maintained his innocence. Lionel Williams is 125 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: a black man, and the police department in Los Angeles 126 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: has a long history of corruption racial profiling, so his 127 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: argument has always been that he was simply targeted because 128 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: of the color of his skin, because he was a 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: known quantity to the cops, and because they needed an 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: excuse to close this case and move on. Now here's 131 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: where it gets a little interesting. What Lionel Williams is 132 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: saying is that while he was in prison, this man 133 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: began to visit him, a man who called himself Harold Bloom, 134 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: and Harold Bloom claimed that he was a quote unquote 135 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: senator of some kind. To use Lionel Williams description here, 136 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: this supposed senator told Lionel Williams he was a patsy, 137 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: he was a fall guy, and that he Harold Bloom 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: knew that Lionel Williams was innocent. He also peddled this 139 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: other theory that Sal had been targeted because he had 140 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: threatened to release a sex tape involving a well known 141 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Hollywood actress, and that he had a co conspirator in 142 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: this threat who was none other than Bob Crane of 143 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Hogan's Heroes Fame and Bob Crane, as you would know 144 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: from the Hollywood Land episode, he infamously made all these 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: home movies of his own sexual exploits, and then he 146 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: was murdered two years after Sal. You know, some of 147 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: the stuff plays into the stereotypes at the time. This 148 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: other notion in theory that Sal had this little black 149 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: book of names of people, men and women that he'd 150 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: slept with, and the reason that he was murdered was 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: so that he wouldn't go public with the names in 152 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: this book. But again, it strikes me as this stereotyping 153 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: this man with this supposed deplorable behavior that would match 154 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: his so called quote unquote deplorable lifestyle, which is of 155 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: course a lifestyle that was viewed through the intolerant eyes 156 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: of other people. And the other thing here is that 157 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: this book is either self published or it's very very 158 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: small publishing company. The doc I'm not even sure where 159 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: you can see it. So it's very They're very small scale, 160 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: both of them. And back in nineteen seventy seven, friends 161 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: of Lionel Williams, family members, his own wife even said 162 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: that he had confessed to the crime. And he's now 163 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: claiming that the cops manipulated everyone into giving false statements, 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: which you know, I can believe that too. But you know, 165 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: he was sentenced for fifty one years. He actually got 166 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: out on parole in nineteen eighty eight after doing just 167 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: about ten years. He's now sixty eight years old. He's 168 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: been on parole for over thirty years, and for whatever reason, 169 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: is talking about his innocence now. From the statements I've read, 170 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: I think just as he's getting older, he's sort of 171 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: realizing the legacy that he wants to leave behind, I 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: guess for his family, and it doesn't want legacy to 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: be one of a murderer. He wants to know that. 174 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: He wants people to know that he was unfairly charged 175 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: with this crime. That seems to be his motivation here. 176 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: So this all just begs the question, if Lonall Williams 177 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: is innocent, then what happened forty nine years ago outside 178 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: that apartment complex in West Hollywood. What do you think 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: have you been following these new developments, or maybe a 180 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: better question, what murder or death of an actor or 181 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: actress from the golden age of Hollywood strikes you as 182 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the most suspicious? Let me know what you think. Text 183 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: me or call me at six one seven nine oh 184 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: six six six three eight and let me know. Speaking 185 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: of texting and calling, I want to dive into your messages, 186 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: your texts, which we're going to do right after a 187 00:10:44,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: quick break, hating tight and I'll be right back. All right, 188 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: we are back, everybody, back to the part of the show, 189 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: part of the rap party here where I talk with 190 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: all of you via texts, voice mails, DMS, emails, all 191 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: that jazz. Speaking about jazz, last week, I mentioned Bird, 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: the Clint Eastwood biopick about Charlie Parker starring Forrest Whittaker, 193 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: and I asked you what your favorite movie about a 194 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: musician was a biopick or a fictional or whatever. We 195 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: got some good feedback here. We got a text from 196 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Matt in the three one seven, Matt writes him, not 197 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: enough folks have experienced the great drama round Midnight. The 198 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: great Dexter Gordon plays a jazz saxophonist living in Paris 199 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, a down to earth take on 200 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: the tortured artist story. Dexter Gordon earned a Best Actor 201 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: nomination the year that Paul Newman won for the Color 202 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: of Money. Herbie Hancock won an Oscar for the score 203 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: over any More Cony's The Mission. The film got the 204 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: Criterion treatment. Please check it out. Take care Matt from 205 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: the three to one seven. Thank you Matt and Dude 206 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: I co sign on that round Midnight is incredible. For 207 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Dexter Gordon, the lead 208 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: actor in this movie, was not an actor by trade. 209 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: He was a jazz musician for real, a saxophone player 210 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: who came up with all the heavyweights Miles and Train 211 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: and so forth. He had this run of albums for 212 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: Bluno in the early sixties which is just legendary albums 213 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: like Go a Swing, An Affair, Are Man in Paris, 214 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: and my personal favorite, Doing Alright. I can still remember 215 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: finding a copy of Doing all Right on CD at 216 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: a some sort of blowout parking lot sale at a 217 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: record store in LA when I lived there. It wasn't 218 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: a Meba, it was a Rhino it might have been 219 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Rhino that was my introduction to Dexter Gordon. I think 220 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: so this is like the early two thousands, and I 221 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: bought doing all Right and man floored me never looked back. 222 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: That came out originally in nineteen sixty one. Another great 223 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Dexter Gordon album his live album Homecoming Live with the 224 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Village Vanguard from the mid seventies. This dude had tremendous tone, 225 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: probably my favorite tone out of any horn player. And 226 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: uh yeah, Matt, great performance in this movie Round Midnight. 227 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for the recommendation there. It reminds me I need 228 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: to rewatch that I've not seen that in a long 229 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: long time, So I appreciate that. Here we go, same subject, 230 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: but different texts. This one from the three two, who 231 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: writes in Forrest Whitaker as Charlie Parker was beautifully painful. 232 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: But my fave is Velvet gold Mine, which is a 233 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: fictional amalgamation of glam rockers Bowie and Joe Braith. Directed 234 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: by Todd Haynes. This movie makes me desperately want him 235 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: to give us a biopic of Mark Bolan starring Ezra Miller. 236 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: Wow three oh two' that's an interesting man. That's interesting. 237 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: Ezra Miller as Mark and I can totally see that, 238 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: totally see that. That's great casting. I love that idea. Actually, 239 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: Velvet gol Mind, really cool movie. Christian Bale, Ewan McGregor. 240 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: This is before they were Batman and Obi Wan. I 241 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: wish there were more movies like this, like movies about 242 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: fictional musicians and bands that echo real life icons. You know, 243 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: like Almost Famous kind of did this too, But in 244 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: that film, the bands still water. They exist within the 245 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: real world. There's the other bands that we know, Bowie 246 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: Black Sabbath exists. But Velvet gold Mine, if I'm remembering correctly, 247 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: everything in this world is fictional, but it's meant to 248 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: sort of mirror real life people, real life musicians, whether 249 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: it's Lou Reed or Iggy Pop or whatever. Todd Haynes is, 250 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: He's he's fascinating. He's such a musical filmmaker. He made this, 251 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: He made I'm Not There, the movie about Bob Dylan, 252 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: where multiple actors, including Kate Lynchett, played Bob Dylan. He 253 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: made the Velvet Underground Dot documentary. This one, Velvet gold 254 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: Mine has got a really cool soundtrack. Lots of contemporary 255 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: artists doing old glam covers like I think Placebo does 256 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: t rex On, Teenage Fan Club does New York Dolls. 257 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: There's Grantly Buffalo shut her to think kind of a 258 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: test run in a way for the concept that he 259 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Todd Haynes with later employee for I'm Not There, which 260 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: is that he had like this house band with members 261 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: from like Sonic Youth and Wilco and television and they 262 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: would back up these other contemporary artists everybody from you 263 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: Know cap Power to Steven Mountmiss and Jim James from 264 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: My Morning Jacket, all covering Bob Dylan songs and also 265 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: an incredible soundtrack if you don't know that one. Thanks 266 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: three to H two. Thanks for this text and for 267 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: bringing the Mark Bolan biopic energy. I'm loving that, okay. 268 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: I was also talking last week about the best music 269 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: to listen to during the fall. I'm a big believer 270 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: in seasonal music picks, like some music just works better 271 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: in certain seasons than others. So we got this text 272 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: from Jay Jay writes in Best Fall Music Albums Time 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: The Revelator by Gillian Welch and Fables of the Reconstruction 274 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: by Rim with Lovey by the Lemonheads as an honorable 275 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: mention Jay and the three six oh, not the nine 276 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: to four. That's that distinction is necessary because the text 277 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: came from the nine oh four. But Jay has found 278 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: themselves in the three six oh. So Jay first of all, 279 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: incredible Fall picks, Incredible Time, The Revelator my favorite Gillian 280 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Welch album. For a while there, I was putting my 281 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: First Lover on like every playlist I was making no 282 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: matter this season, and as a long time Arim obsessive, 283 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I love this pick. Is this their most fall album? 284 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Probably right? I mean you suggested it here. Maybe out 285 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: of Time is the only one that gives it a 286 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: run for its money. There's some big Fall vibes out 287 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: of Time as well. You know, one of the big 288 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: life lessons that Arim gave me as a teenage so 289 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: many but was that you don't necessarily have to explain 290 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: everything all the time. Like music or film or art 291 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: can be open to interpretation. It can be malleable, it 292 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: can be purposely oblique, it can change meaning from month 293 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: to month and year to year. And to that point, 294 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about the artwork for this 295 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: record is that it's made in a way that the 296 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: title of the record can be either fables of the 297 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: reconstruction or reconstruction of the fables, which is fun. And 298 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: then when you're a teenager discovering this kind of thing, 299 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: it sort of adds to there was so much, so 300 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: much myth around all these bands growing up, so much 301 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: myth making things that you just didn't know, things you 302 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: didn't understand, rabbit holes you could go down just by 303 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: looking at album cover artwork just ain't the same today, man, 304 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: So thanks for these recommendations. Jay Oh in Lemonhead's The 305 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: Lovey Album, Is that the one with Stove on it? 306 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: If it is, I love that song Stove that was 307 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: on this great Ford Apache compilation back in the day, 308 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Cold Water Flat muses Sebadoh Belly Lemonheads comms on there. 309 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: So thanks three six oh not the nine oh four 310 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: for taking me back back in time. See what I 311 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: did there? Different, Jillian wels Hine, but still okay. Also 312 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: on the subject over on Patreon, where some of our 313 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: All Access members hang out, Barry writes for fall, I 314 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: always turn to Josh Ritter's Animal Years October. Albums I 315 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: love also include Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Echo and 316 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: Neil Young's Harvest Barry great picks. I don't know that 317 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Josh Ritter album. Actually, Josh Ritter is a is a 318 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: major blind spot for me, so I will definitely check 319 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: this one out. I'm assuming this is a good intro 320 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: and to Josh Ritter, I think I alluded to Harvest 321 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: last week too. I mean, in some ways, it's you 322 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: just look at the cover of that record and it's 323 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: already the quintessential Fall album, Like the title, the colors 324 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: of the cover art, the browns, the oranges, and then 325 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: the music. It's all like this warm sweater music so 326 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: great and I never really thought about echoing this way, 327 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: but you're completely right. There's a layer of melancholy across 328 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: that entire record, which incidentally also features one of my 329 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: favorite Tom Petty lines of all time. I remember when 330 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: he was your boss, I remember him touching your butt. 331 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: All right. I love all these fall album recommendations, But 332 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: what about fall movies? Not just like Halloween or holiday movies. 333 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: But do you guys have any go to fall films? 334 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: The leaves start changing color, the temperature starts to drop, 335 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: the nights come sooner. There are any movies that really 336 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: speak to you during this time of year? Reach out. 337 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: I'll be there six one seven nine oh six six 338 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: six three eight. And while you're doing that, I'm going 339 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: to take another super quick break, but I'll be right 340 00:19:47,480 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: back with some recommendations. Oh right, everybody, Welcome back to 341 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: the rap party. Zeth Lundy here with you once again. 342 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Talking about what I've been watching listening to reading. Well, 343 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: I am watching The Lowdown. I'm loving it. This is 344 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: the show on Hulu. Loving the cameo from the great 345 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: John Doe, from one of the greatest bands to ever 346 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: do it x of course, loving the music choices here, 347 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: loving the Ethan Hawk running around with a busted face. 348 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: It's just it's great stuff. I also finished Task, just 349 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: watched that final episode, which kind of low key wrecked me. Okay, 350 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: there's nothing low key about it. I got pretty emotional 351 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: there at the end, Like, fuck, man, this finale had 352 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: room within an hour for not only all this action, 353 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: this violent it's going to happen next culmination, world's colliding, 354 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: families colliding, and then it had room for an emotionally 355 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: complex epilogue that just ripped my fucking heart out. And 356 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: I was saying earlier that Mark Ruffalo for me was 357 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of taking a back seat to Tom Pelfrey's performance, 358 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: but in the home stretch here Man Ruffalo is like 359 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: bringing some big, poppy, clutch performance shit to the plate. 360 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Just absolutely stunning work. Cannot recommend the show highly enough. 361 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: It's definitely one of my favorites of the year, and 362 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: just thinking about it is just making me feel emotional again. 363 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: It was just a really, really beautiful complex ending to 364 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: that show. Thanks to one of you discoes out there, 365 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: you know who you are, you hook me up with 366 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: a way to watch Two Lane Blacktop, which is this 367 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: movie from nineteen seventy one that I've been blabbing about 368 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: wanting to see for a while. This is a movie 369 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: directed by Monte Hellman, who I don't know that much about. 370 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Definitely made on the cheap, definitely feels super indie. However, 371 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, film can feel super indie. So 372 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: I finally got around to watching this, and one of 373 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: the reasons I wanted to watch it is because it 374 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: stars James Taylor and Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys. 375 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: They are the driver and the mechanic respectively. That's all 376 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: they're called. Also stars Warren Oates as this guy gto 377 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: that's what they call him, because that's what he drives, 378 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: this flashy yellow gto Lori Bird is in this as 379 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: a hitchhiker. Lori Bird was like eighteen in this movie, 380 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: but apparently she became art Garfunkle's girlfriend and a few 381 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: years later she oweded on vallium in his apartment. She 382 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: was only twenty five. I don't know about the story, 383 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: but it's giving me Hollywood land and vibes, so I'm 384 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: going to kind of put that in my back pocket. 385 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: I believe this was made to seize on the momentum 386 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: of Easy Rider, which had just come out a few 387 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: years earlier. You know, road movie a movie about the 388 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: counterculture movement, and it's sort of coming head on collision 389 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: here with culture at large. And you know, speaking of counterculture, 390 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: it's wild to think that this came out just two 391 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: years not just two years after Easy Rider, but two 392 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: years after the Manson murders. And of course, Dennis Wilson, 393 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: one of the co stars of this movie, was intimately 394 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: involved with Crazy Charlie and that whole thing. And here 395 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: he is not with much acting chops, but he's definitely 396 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: delivering a huge vibe. He's got this dirty denim and 397 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: the big ass mutton chops and he's haul and asked 398 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: there alongside JT with his sweater and his long hair, 399 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: both of them just looking effortlelessly cool and listen, lots 400 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: of people have lots of opinions on James Taylor, and 401 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: I get it in twenty twenty five, not the coolest 402 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: dude in the room. Some of my earliest musical memories 403 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: are James Taylor records being played in my house. Actually, 404 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: my middle name is Taylor, and that is because my 405 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: parents loved James Taylor's music. And regardless of what you 406 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: think of at this time in the early seventies, this 407 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: dude was cool as fuck. Okay, he was the first 408 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: artist the Beatles put on Apple Records that wasn't the Beatles. 409 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: He had the number one hit song in the country 410 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: at this time, nineteen seventy one, a cover of Carol 411 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: King's You've Got a Friend. But despite the cool factor, 412 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: despite this huge hit, nobody wanted to see this movie. 413 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: This movie just legendarily bombed at the box office. And 414 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: it's easy to see why. There's there's really no plot. 415 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: It's more vibe than narrative, and the vibe sometimes the vibe. 416 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: The vibes are off. Man, the vibes are a little uneasy. 417 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: The whole thing is a little uneasy. There's this great scene, 418 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie, James 419 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Taylor and Dennis Wilson and Warren Oates. They find themselves 420 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: at a diner somewhere in the South. These very clean 421 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: cut college kids are basically growing them about, like, are 422 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: you guys hippies? And you know, if the answer is yes, 423 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: they're going to get the shit kick out of them, 424 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: is the the subtext there. But despite all this, you know, 425 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: no one want to go see this. There's very little 426 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: dialogue in this whole thing. Dennis Wilson is just like 427 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: looking at the ground the whole time, like that's his 428 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: go to acting move. But now decades later, it's really 429 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: it's this fascinating time capsule. The close, the car's sense 430 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: of freedom, but also the question of what do you 431 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: do with it? You know, where do you go, what's 432 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: going to be there when you get there? Why are 433 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: you going? For all of that? I'd recommend it. I 434 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: don't think it's a great film, but it's a really 435 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: fascinating one. And like I said, a really really interesting 436 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: time capsule with a very unorthodox interesting cast. So yeah, 437 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: that's two lame blacktop. Thanks again, big ups for the 438 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: disco to help me out with that. What was really 439 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: great that I watched over the weekend was Apple TV's 440 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: new documentary series, Mister Scorsese. This is a five part series, 441 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: obviously about Martin Scorsese, directed by Rebecca Miller. Rebecca Miller 442 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: is a writer and a filmmaker. She's the daughter of 443 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: the playwright Arthur Miller. Her husband is Daniel day Lewis, 444 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: who has been in a few Scorsese films. If you 445 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: like Martin Scorsese or you just like movies, I cannot 446 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: recommend that. I mean, if you like art, if you 447 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: like the getting inside an artist's head and seeing how 448 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: they do what they do, I cannot recommend this series enough. 449 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't think there has ever been a portrait, as 450 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: Rebecca Miller calls it, of a filmmaker that is this 451 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: personal and this much of a deep dive. And I'm 452 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: not just talking into his career, into his work, but 453 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: into his life. Okay. The first two episodes were my 454 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: favorites because they shed so much light on Martin scorsesees 455 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: upbringing his childhood and a big part of these first 456 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: two episodes are conversations and interviews with his childhood friends now, 457 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: and they really bring this whole backstory to life. I 458 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: knew about his backstory, but I didn't know about it. 459 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: With this much shading, this much color, this much character, 460 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: they bring the true criminess of it all to the surface, 461 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: the organized crime that's been hanging out in the shadows, 462 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: these shadowy figures that his father has to deal with, 463 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: and then how all these things made their way into 464 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: scorseses movies, not only into his movies, but into how 465 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: he dealt with studios and executives and people who were 466 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: difficult to deal with, and all these lessons that he 467 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: took from his father, and how his father would deal 468 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: with all these authority figures in the neighborhood back in 469 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: the day. And he even talks about this actual experience 470 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: he had when he was a kid when he saw 471 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: some fucked up thing happening on the sidewalk while a 472 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: happy pop song played in the car. And these are 473 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: the sorts of formative experiences that sculpted him in his 474 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: brain and his eye. I'm reminded of this interview I 475 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: saw once with the cinematographer Robert Richardson, who's worked on 476 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: many Scorsese movies as well as movies by Tarantino and 477 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone. He talked about how with Tarantino, the vibe 478 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: there was kind of like, hey, man, just do your 479 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: own thing, right, But the vibe with Marty is like 480 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: it's no, it's all done for you in advance. Marty 481 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: has all storyboarded out. He already has every shot. He's 482 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: thought about it, not only as he just thought about 483 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: the shot, he's thought about what music's going to accompany it, 484 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: what song by Cream is going to be playing as 485 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: this as this happens. And you see this in the series, 486 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: even with the stuff from he drew when he was 487 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: a child, storyboarding these movies that he had in his brain. 488 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: It's just again, it's incredible. It's like you're actually able 489 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: to go inside the artist's brain and see what makes 490 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: him tick and why he does what he does. I 491 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: cannot recommend this series enough. And then I want to 492 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: talk really quickly about what I've been listening to because 493 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of unexpected. I've been on a huge Human 494 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Touch kick. The song Human Touch by Bruce Springsteen. Okay, 495 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: if you don't know this song or the record, here's 496 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: the deal. Back in nineteen ninety two, Bruce Springsteen released 497 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: two albums at the same time on the same day. 498 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: These two albums, Human Touch and Lucky Town, two albums 499 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: by Bruce on the same day. I mean, incredible, right, 500 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 1: who did that? Nobody did that. Guns and Roses actually 501 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: did that the year prior with their User Illusion one 502 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: and two albums. But I feel like this was like 503 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: an I don't know how many other times this happened 504 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: in the wake of these two artists doing it, but 505 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: this was just sort of an unprecedented thing, especially for 506 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: an artist as big as Bruce Springsteen. And you know, 507 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: it had been five years since his last record, Tunnel 508 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: of Love, so there was all this. You know, everyone 509 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: was kind of waiting for a new Bruce record and 510 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: then you get two of them. Was incredible. But here's 511 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: what happened. The response was bad. Critics panned these records. 512 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: I think it was the first sign of hm, you know, 513 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: maybe this guy don't got it anymore. Right, I wasn't 514 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: big into Bruce at the time that these came out, 515 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: So these records at the time didn't have an impact 516 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: either way with me, but as I became a Bruce 517 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: fan over the years, became a huge Bruce Springsteen fan. 518 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: Actually I ignored these records partly because they had a 519 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: bad reputation and also because you know, the production of 520 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: them just sounds so dated in a way. It's like 521 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: this early nineties big rock sound on Human Touch. Actually, 522 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: the Eas Street Band is not on this. He's got 523 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: Randy Jackson from American Idol on bass, Jeff Perco who 524 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: famously in Toto, and a session musician on drums, So 525 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: it has this like big early nineties session musician sound 526 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: feel to it, almost like robotic and kind of stilted. Right, 527 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: But now here we are twenty twenty five, everyone's talking 528 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: about this new movie Delivered Me from Nowhere with Jeremy 529 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: Allen White, and this new Nebraska eighty two box set 530 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: that's coming out is finally going to deliver the electric Nebraska, 531 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: the law and rumored electric version of the acoustic album Nebraska, which, 532 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm pretty pumped for that too. And 533 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard the electrified original demo of Born 534 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: in the USA, that's on this you can stream it anywhere, 535 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: right now it is just like the acoustic version of 536 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: this that came out the Tracks box set years ago. 537 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: It's like a revelation. It's just a down and dirty 538 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: like blues rock tunes. Great anyways, I digress. I cannot 539 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: get enough of this song Human Touch right now. It 540 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: feels like a song from Bruce's album The River, but 541 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: filtered through that Tunnel of Love era. It's got some 542 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: super cheesy keyboard or synth sounds going on, but it's 543 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: just so fucking robust, and it's like these three chords 544 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: that ring out with such conviction, and Bruce is singing 545 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: this classic Bruce narrative about a guy who's down on 546 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: his luck, a guy out on the margins who's making 547 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: a very modest plea to someone else that a guy 548 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: like him still has something to offer. I mean, forget 549 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: about it. It reminds me a bit of tougher than 550 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: the rest of a Bruce song from Tunnel of Love. 551 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: And there's just something about the cheesiness of the sound 552 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: that really resonates with me. Now. I think our brains 553 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: were wired to reject that sort of thing back on 554 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the day, this mark of commercialism or selling out or whatever. 555 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: But I just find this all so confidently beautiful now. 556 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: So if you don't know this on Human Touch by 557 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, check it out and see if it hits 558 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: you in your feels the way it does mine. Okay, 559 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna have the table what I'm reading 560 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: for now, because damn I've gone too long here. I 561 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: need to think about wrapping this wrap party up. So 562 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: hang in there with me. I'm gonna grab a little 563 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: bit of water. I'm gonna take a break, but I'll 564 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: be back right after this with some final parting thoughts. Yo, yo, yo, yo, 565 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: my people, my good people of Hollywood Land. We have 566 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: made it once more to the end of another episode 567 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: of the Rap Party. Thanks so much for keeping in touch, 568 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: for sending in your takes, your rex, just your thoughts 569 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: about whatever. I want to keep hearing all of them, 570 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: so please keep me posted, keep in touch six one 571 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight. You can 572 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: also hit me up with an email to Disgrace lambpod 573 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, or if you're an all access 574 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: member in Patreon, you can just jump into the fray 575 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: there as the conversation continues to evolve. 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Our 585 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: new episode on Judas Priest just dropped today, all about 586 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: how they fought off censorship, the courts, even Satan himself 587 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: to defend the good name of heavy metal. And number 588 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: four now in honor of this week's episode, me reading 589 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: you the list of the top grossing films from nineteen 590 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: seventy six, the year that Salmonio was murdered at the 591 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: age of thirty seven. Number one Rocky, directed by John 592 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: g Aldinson. Number two A Star Is Born, directed by 593 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: Frank Pearson. Number three directed King Kong as Man I'm 594 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: directed by John J. Mandela, directed by Number four Silver Streak, 595 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: Number three directed by Arthur Hillard, number directed number five 596 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: All the President's Men. I've directed by Alan J. Patula directed. 597 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Number six direct The Omen James directed by Richard Donald Willens. 598 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: Number seventh is directed five Newspachers director new Ship Has 599 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: Come to Light. Cut it