WEBVTT - Justice w/ Daniel Sunjata 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.080 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.880 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:07.760 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:08.920 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:22.480 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.960 Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up and Us 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.279 for You podcast. As always, I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.640 Oh hey, Kara, it's me Lisa, your co host. Oh 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.760 hi Lisa. We talk U S for You, crimes interviews. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.600 It's a jam packed podcast episode. And I know we 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.919 have a great podcast because the listeners keep telling us, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.279 so we got to believe them. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.760 At some point. We can't just be like, oh are 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:54.320 we cool. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.680 We are our audience, they're educated, they're rich, they're amazing. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.279 Tip well at live shows. Yeah, we love it. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:03.279 We love to see it. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.800 Well, yesterday I did a podcast called Whed and Grub 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.360 with a girl named Mary Jane, perfect name, listens to 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.440 the pod, loves SVU, and you know, she brought great snacks. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.320 We're talking to our lawyers. She's like, I have a 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.000 lot of friends that listen. I think she listens well. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.080 So they made me gluten free brownies because she listens 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.760 to the pod for this like weed and Snacks podcast. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.160 Then I went to visit our friend Sam, who is 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.640 fully gluten free, like seven months pregnant, if not more, 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:32.520 did not bring her a brownie. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.760 You should have just told her there was weed in them. Noah. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.200 It hit me a midway and I was like, oh 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.000 my god, and she's like, I don't know if I'll. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.560 Ever forgive you. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.880 She's like herself, she was like fuck you because she 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.160 was like because her husband bought Girl Scout cookies, but 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.280 she can't have gluten for real. So I was just 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.840 poisoning my body and she was just pregnant. Knowing I 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.200 had gluten free brownie is just hours earlier. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:57.400 Bad friend. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.400 I sent her these gluten free cookies one time that 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.880 she was obsessed with, and her husband texted me being like, 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.080 what the fuck did you send us? These are so good? 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.120 So like, if people are looking for a Los Angeles 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.720 option of gluten free brownies or cookies, this place is 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:12.639 called Deluscious. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:13.800 That's a bad na. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.919 People are obsessed. It's a bad name. But till somebody 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.160 tell me about it, and I get their emails all 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.480 the time, and like it has been only a hit 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:22.560 with people I've sent it to. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.360 Yeah, but these these brownies were made of beans. The 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:27.600 bass is black bears. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:28.359 Right right. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.160 I've had black bean chocolate cake. I've had like a 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.240 black bean like a chocolate cake vegan time. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.120 And I'm glad they didn't they told me after I 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.040 took bites, because if they told me before, I wouldn't 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.960 have had even a bite. I don't quote unquote like 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.800 black beans, but I surely do for all of you 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.600 listening today. I did lock myself out of the door 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.720 or my home and Kara had to bring the key, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.160 so saved the day right before recording. Yeah, but what 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.320 was wild was I kept texting and calling you and 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.600 you weren't a But then I got a notification you 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.840 responded to an email chain we were on, and I 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.280 was like, this, bitch, wait, I. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.919 Did you did? I got the notification you were emailing 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.919 about a meeting. I was looking at my phone. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.120 I was on another podcast, and I responded to like 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:14.840 a quick email. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:17.000 Yeah. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.880 But to me, I was like, how is she I've called? 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.680 I'm like, you're responding to scheduling emails. I'm like in 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.400 a sweatshirt, floppy titting outside. All of these elderly men 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.640 are looking at me, and I know what they're saying, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.399 My tits are huge. If it's not a tight tank top, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.440 they are flopping. And I just didn't anticipate so much 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:38.880 action on the outside world. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:39.680 Yeah. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.600 Oh, speaking of big tits, I did just buy the 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:49.520 sportspraw that Hannah recommended the email one that fucking that's 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.400 a nonsurgical boob job. Like I am like flat when 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.520 I wear this thing, Like yeah, not flat, but like 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.600 I can run, I can do anything. Like your boobs 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.800 are in there been running? 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.880 Have you been running? I don't run. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:03.720 I did. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.120 This segues perfectly into how I and our friend Lauren 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:08.800 last night. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:09.880 Took a tap class. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.400 I took our tad Okay, yeah, it was so funny. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.440 Like first of all, I get there and I'm waiting 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.720 outside because there's still like a ballet class. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.039 Going on inside for like adult women. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.080 And I'm like. This woman comes up and she goes, oh, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.800 are you here for the tap class? And I go, yeah, 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:26.080 are you? 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.560 And she goes yeah. I go have you been before? 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:28.960 And she goes, see, I've been a few times, and 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.400 I go I have no tap experience and she goes 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.839 really and I go no, and she goes none, and 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.279 I go you're making I was like, you're making me 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.520 feel really self goteous, Like I go, yeah. I emailed 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.640 and they said that it's like beginner like thinking I'm 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.080 going to get into this class and it's going to 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.159 be fucking Gregory Hines and Savion Glover or something, and 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.320 I'm like, I get it. And my friend Lauren shows 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:50.960 up and I go. This woman made me feel really 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.320 weird because Lauren doesn't have any experience either. She is 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.880 an Irish dancer, which, don't worry. The teacher pointed it 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.840 out because she could tell immediately that Lauren had a 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:58.440 good shuffle. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.920 Oh you are so jealous, weren't you when she got 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:01.599 that compliment? 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.560 Oh no, I loved it. I was like because she 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.320 was like, she's like, I'm good at the shuffle, but 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.480 I don't move my arms. That's the thing that's different 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.320 about tap versus Irish dances that her arms are. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:11.599 Pasted to her side. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.800 But it was really fun. We got in there. It 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.320 was us that woman and a teenage girl whose mom 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.839 was watching her the whole time. It was so fun 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.000 and I we. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.760 Could both keep up. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.800 It was like, even though we don't have experience. The 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.880 woman went slow, like it was you know, it was 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:27.400 really fun. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.120 But was that woman talking shit even that good? No, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.719 that's what I mean. I forgot who said this to me, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.200 but it's something that's lived with me for I think 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.520 just a few years. But if you're wearing the best 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.240 soccer cleats on the on the field, you better be 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.080 the best player. Yeah, Ashley Dalton said this to me. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:44.840 That's what it is. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.520 If you have the best fucking most expensive cleats, you 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.680 better be amazing at soccer. Yeah, this bitch talking shit. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.040 I doubt she was even good. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.839 It was just weird because she just said it like 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.360 two or three times, like wait, none, And I was like, yeah, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.600 I mean I have other dance experience, but I don't 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:00.599 have tap experience. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.479 Yeah. Have you been to a wedding with Kara Klank? 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:03.440 She knows how to dance. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:06.680 Thank you? 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.120 Wait? Should should I come with that other mom and 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:09.920 watch you guys? 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.520 That would be so funny. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.440 I would love to come watch it's funny. The problem 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.760 is is that, well, first of all, you can just watch. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.880 It's literally on a busy street in our neighborhood and 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.800 there's a window to the street, so like anyone can 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.599 go by and just see what we're doing, which is embarrassing, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:24.480 but I kind of forgot about. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.080 I want to go a day when it's raining and 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.279 then I'll just stand out there with an umbrella watching 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:29.120 you guys. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:31.440 In my raincoat. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.919 How cinematic. But the only problem is, like the floor 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.840 is obviously used for other dance classes like ballet and 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 other kinds, so it's not as tippity tappity as I 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:42.919 want it to be. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.920 I want it to be like a wood floor, you 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.919 know what I mean. It's not wood. No, And you 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.960 can't hear your ticky you know what? What is it? 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.440 Because I thought ballet was wood. I'm confused. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.560 Yeah, It's like it just has like a protective like 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.280 some kind of plasticy thick I can't describe bit. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.120 But you can kind of hear your tap. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.479 It's just not the same as like on wood, you know. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.600 And you could tell the teacher was disappointed about that too. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.479 Have you been practicing at the house. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.360 Well, it was only last night, so I haven't been 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:13.320 practicing my combo. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.280 Sorry. Maybe if we all get. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.520 Together, Lauren, get some wine in me and Lauren, and 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.040 then we'll do our little combination for you that we learned. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.840 My mom's text it's Elan's birthday. Yeah, I fucking know, bitch. No, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.040 that was nice of her. Happy birthday to my brother 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.440 in law, the only good man I know. And it's 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.040 Sydney Washington's birthday. Okay, I mean, now you know when 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.600 we taped it, you don't even know it. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.960 I don't think I know anyone who loves their brother 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.920 in law like you like your love your brother in law. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.640 You really love your brother in law. I do. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.120 But I also met him when he was fifteen and 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:42.840 I was five. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.320 Yeah, you were like, yeah, you've known him your whole life. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.520 So he's forty five now, so I've known him since 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.560 he was a teenager. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:50.480 So it's a little bit. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.440 You know, I'm not twenty five and meeting some man 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.880 that she met, right, you know, a bar and. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.800 Regally I've imagined little Lisa a five and you've seen 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.000 the pure being, like, I need to ask you some 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.480 questions before you date my sister. And you give him 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.640 like the run around. You're like, what time you can 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:10.080 have a home. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.240 Well, I don't know if you if I've already said 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.640 this on the pod. No, he would come over. He 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.320 would give me donuts and then put on the quote 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.360 unquote Snowy channel, which was just static on the TV. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.720 But I was like, oh my god, the Snowy Channel. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.160 And I would sit eating donuts while god knows what 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.160 was happening in our bedroom slash dining room watching. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:37.880 This watching static. I cannot. I don't think you've mentioned that, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:44.560 because that is not something I remember. Oh my god. No, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.440 he was good. But he was a good guy. He 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.240 he he had a red jeep. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.040 He took me to see Andre at the movie theater 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.040 with just me and him and his brother, like he 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.440 would legit, like hang out with me. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.760 Yeah, he's like your like your brother Like, yeah, he. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.079 Would like he he takes my dad to doctor's appointments. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.319 He just kind of is like this. He's always been 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.400 kind of a good guy. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.040 I mean, maybe there's someone trapped in the basement, but 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:10.319 I've spent a lot of time in there. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.000 I don't think so. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.840 And I love my brother in law too. It's just 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.360 you speak so highly of Elan. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:16.840 It's very nice. It's very nice. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.920 Well, because I also know how annoying my parents are, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.400 and none of us are as nice to my parents 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.920 as him. He really goes above and beyond for these annoying, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.560 annoying immigrants. But oh, I just thought of something I 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:31.520 have to tell you after this. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.120 You gotta FaceTime me. Sorry, guys, you can't. You can't 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:34.840 know all the shit. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.320 Yeah, I have something I want to ask you about too. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.120 Oh perfect, So wait, I do have some notes. I 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.040 do have some things that I wanted to talk about. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.720 Analisa has already told us to wrap it up, and 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.640 Lisa's like, okay, let me get into our agenda quick. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.120 It's honestly quick. First, I've been watching Girl in the 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.439 Window alone on the. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.960 I want to watch it. It's funny. I like it. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:55.000 I do like it. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.880 I think I realized that genre now because sometimes I 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.120 get auditions for things that are like funny, but everything 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.120 is serious and I don't understand it. Yeah, and watching 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.520 this like I finally understand the tone of acting fully 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.280 in a thing that's like not. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:11.800 I don't know. I thought it was great. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:13.959 Is it kind of the tone of that like Kristin 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.240 Wig Will Ferrell Lifetime movie that was like a parody 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:18.559 of a Lifetime movie, but it was. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.120 On I think it was on Lifetime. No, are you 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.439 thinking about the Amy Polar Romantic One or no? 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.400 No, no, no, No, this was like a christ was 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.920 like a parody, wasn't it Will Ferrell and Kristin Wig. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.760 Yeah, I don't know, but I enjoyed it. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.080 So if you guys are into like a crime moment, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.920 that's silly but serious. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.240 And Kristen Bell is just an incredible actress. Oh and 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.000 I just a deadly adoption. I've never even heard of that. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.760 Oh, it was like a funny thing. And it's Will Ferrell, right, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.680 am I crazy? Okay? Yeah, it's Will Fail Kristen Wig 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.880 and like so the vibe of it was very serious, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.280 over serious, like a lifetime movie. But then it was 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.320 supposed to be comedy. So I'm looking forward to that. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.160 I really want to see this. I didn't know it 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.640 was a show. I thought it was a movie. So 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.439 I went with Jared to watch it the other day 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.160 and we didn't realize it was a movie a show. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.080 And he needed to watch a movie because he gives 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.880 himself these movie challenges every month. We watched West Side Story. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.240 We couldn't finish it. It was too boring, the new 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.000 or old the new too boring. I was like, this 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.199 is not it's beautiful, it's gorgeous. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.959 It didn't do well, and that's what's tough about award 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.800 show season, where it's like I get that, like the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.880 normal public might not get like great performances or details 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.440 of movie making, but for something that no one watched 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.040 or cared about to then be winning awards, and it's 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.400 that's why we're not interested. Yeah, that's the disconnect, Like 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:36.800 how is this winning anything? 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.840 Yeah, it's just like I love West Side Story, I 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.640 love the music, I love like the story. I love it, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.839 but I liked the old movie and this doesn't really 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.960 add anything to it. I think that main actor is 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.760 like a snooze angel el Gort, And I just was like, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.840 whatever I did, it was beautiful. If people are gonna 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.280 come for me, I will admit it's like gorgeous Spielberg 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.280 obviously beautiful. I just halfway through, I was on my phone, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.440 and I will I usually don't do that, but I 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.000 was just like, I was like randomly looking up actors 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.920 from the movie, and then I was like, you know, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.480 getting into other stuff and it. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.400 Was not holding my attention anyway. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:10.000 What else did you have? 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.600 Anything else? Oh? 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.120 Tricksy and Katia did queens who liked to watch with 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.120 squid games? Because I didn't want to watch squid games. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.360 I don't love dystopia, but watching them talk about squid games. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:19.480 I loved it. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.520 And then I read everything about it and all the 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.320 plot points and it seems really good. Oh I watched 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.120 all the squid game It's awesome. Yeah, with the what 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:28.679 I read. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.320 Okay, so watching it through the eyes of these two 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:32.880 drag queens, it was amazing. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.480 Yeah. 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.840 So you know, we h there was a news story 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.400 about nurses selling fake vaccine cards and they made over 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:41.880 one point five million dollars. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:42.319 Yeah. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.160 So the thing that I want to focus on, just 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.120 really quickly is that one of the people, she was 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.040 a nurse practitioner. It's not like some poor nurse like 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.000 this woman is a rich person. She is also married 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.360 to an NYPD officer. So one of the criminals is 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.240 married to an officer and he is getting in trouble 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.760 because he was part of it. So he's being investigated 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.800 if he was funneling business his wife's way. He only 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360 lost five vacation days in twenty twenty after he was 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.360 accused of piloting an NYPD spyplane on a penis shaped 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.240 flight path. In twenty seventeen, when he was a member 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.960 of the department's aviation unit. He was assigned to Brooklyn's 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.120 sixtieth Precinct after he was accused of misusing the federally 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.480 funded four million dollars Cesana plane, making improper entries in 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.280 a flight log, and not conducting flight surveys. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.520 Okay, are we like, is this a Banana's podcast crossover? 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.080 Like we need to send a story to Bananas? Like 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:43.760 this is that is quite literally Banana Like that is crazy? 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:44.680 Yeah? 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.760 And then there was a post secret this week of 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.800 one of the secrets was along the lines of my 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.679 husband is in jail for murder and I will never 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.920 leave him. Oh wow, So that obviously made me think 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.439 of all of you. Also, I knew some of you 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.160 would not like the Scott Peterson take, and then some 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.720 of you just innocuously commented your points of view, and 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:05.840 I attacked you viciously. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.160 And I apologize now, I was just responding. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.320 I just don't like being condescended at or that I 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.440 didn't know that it was biased, or that I didn't 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.840 use other sources, or that I'm not open to be 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.000 proven wrong or. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.360 So like like to just to clarify, I mean, we're 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.680 a comedy podcast, like we want to give you the 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.800 information about the crimes. But if you're expecting the same, 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.800 you know, like thorough journalism of a twenty twenty, there's 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.160 twenty twenty you know, like that's not what you're hopefully, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.280 that's not what you're here for, you know, like we are. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.120 We really try to be thorough and do the best 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.120 we can, but we're also putting it into a what 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:40.960 we attempt to be a thirty minute slot. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.240 And it's like, you know, most people were into it 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.160 and they get us and they like us. But the 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.720 people that were disappointed it was this thing of like 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.960 I did do over twenty hours of research actually, and 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.160 if you have information on Lacy, please send it my way, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.920 like I would love it. I could not find it, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.760 you know, I didn't go to the line, so like 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.200 I would love this information. We always are trying our best. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.960 There's no reason to be condescending of like did you 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.080 even now that? Yeah, we are very into what we do. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.080 But also I you know, when people are like it's 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.800 not a great look, it's like, yeah, I think she 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.720 was dumb that she didn't know about the biggest crime 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.280 case in the world, in the in the nation for 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:22.760 two weeks. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.120 I think that's wild to. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:29.280 Ignore every news, every newspaper, and every magazine at the store. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.760 Like it's kind of like Jared Letto being at a 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.680 silent retreat and then coming out and be like, wait, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.600 what's COVID? You know, it's like, Okay, this is a 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.840 little silly, but yeah, no, you guys are allowed to 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.840 say whatever you want. And I try not to get involved, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.800 but you know, sometimes. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:48.560 It actually just texts me her opinions. Okay, let's get started. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.880 We have a hot episode for you today, a very 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.080 hot interview, and I'm excited to get hi. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.360 To everyone I met in Kansas. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.360 Thank you for all your presence, your weed, your nice compliments, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.240 and you're being such great audience members, sweet sweet angels. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:13.440 Okay, let's get started. Okay, we are doing Justice season three, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.840 episode nineteen. An early Guy, one. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.720 Of my favorites, and I feel like I didn't know 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.720 the name of it. I couldn't find it for forever, 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.360 and then it came to me on a binge and 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.200 I was like, oh, thank goodness, oh my god, I 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:27.200 want to do this episode. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.320 It's another one of those ones where like it doesn't 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 stick out for me, but I know I've seen it 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.400 and you love it, so I'm just happy to do it. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.640 And it's such a good one, so I'm happy we 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.800 chose it. We open on a scene honestly tailor made 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.920 for me. Two movers moving a couch and talking about 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.040 MLMs and Ponzi schemes. I love this so much. One 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.560 guy is clearly like telling the other guy like, yeah, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.920 you tell two friends. Then they tell two like it's 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.360 a full describing a Ponzi scheme, and the other guy's like, dude, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.760 this is like not real. And the other man's like, 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.760 please urba life is good to make me rich and 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.480 it's just really funny, and the other guy's like it's 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.439 a definite scam. And the guy's like, no, my cousin 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.240 did it and made money. And the guy goes, who's 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.160 your cousin Kenneth Lay, which is a reference to Enron, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:13.960 And I just really want to get a beer with 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.640 this smoover because he's very snarky, Andy's up to date 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:18.439 on current events. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.359 Did you look it up or did you know this 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.400 Enron guy? I was like, who's Kenneth Lay? 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.359 And they it sounded familiar and I looked it up 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.600 and it was I looked it up. Obviously I'm not 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.680 familiar with ins and OU's of Enron, but I did. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.760 I did track down the contact. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.800 Well, Henron is very Connecticut, so maybe you knew in deep. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.920 And deep in my mind, in my soul, it was there. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.720 So like this reference goes over the other mover's head. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.119 Of course he's like, no, my cousin's name is Johnny 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.560 or whatever, like it's very funny. And then as they're 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.879 taking the couch down the stairs, they noticed the body 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.960 of like a teen girl in a Catholic school like 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.000 plaid skirt outfit, just fully bleeding out at the bottom 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:57.640 of the stairs. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.080 So not a great fight. Now we're at the hospital. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.760 Live storms in with her super short pixie cut, I 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.439 think the one that she almost got fired or she 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.400 thought she was gonna get fired for. And all they 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.160 know is that this girl is like a teen there's 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:14.919 no info on who she is. She like has no 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.560 idea on her and apparently all she said at the 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:22.080 scene was he raped me. Then the docs are like 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.760 going crazy, the doctors and nurses like everyone's trying to 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.320 save her life, you know, like she's got a neck brace, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.399 like I mean, it's like she's been very badly injured 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.400 and they're trying to save her life and they're talking 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.200 about all the lacerations she has and it's like very go, go, go, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.399 go go. But Benson is being like very Benson and 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.639 is like, you gotta preserve the clothes. This is a 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.240 rat victim. And then she follows them into the or 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.840 they're like, we got we gotta operate. She follows them 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.600 into the oar with like a bunch of swabs and 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.520 is like, just get her vagina, just get her mouth. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.040 Can you get that stain on her thigh. It's very 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.640 I mean, it's obviously serious. You do want to preserve evidence, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.000 but it's just kind of like, I think priority number 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.600 one is that she lives and live is just like 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.639 going after them with like swabs, and then they're like, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.520 we just get one more of under her fingernails, and 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:05.120 the nurse is. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.760 Like, bitch, we've done given you enough. Get away from me. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.760 And then like back at the nurse's desk, Live is 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.840 scrambling to get all the clothes and swab sent to 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.679 the lab with a uniform cop and Stabler shows up 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.679 and is like, sorry, babe, she didn't make it. She 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.479 died on the table. And Olivia immediately is like, oh no, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.679 like I got in the way, I made her die, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.359 and Stabler's like, Nana, she had like a clot, massive 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.480 internal bleeding. There was nothing you could do. You're not 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.720 on the hook for this. So then lives like okay 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.440 and goes back into like cop mode, and Stabler found 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.960 a bottle of percocets on the girl and the bottle 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.440 says Emily Porter. So they think this girl's Emily Porter 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.600 and they're off to notify her parents. A teen answers 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.040 the door and she's like, are you here for the condolences? 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.959 My grandma died last night, And immediately you're kind of like, 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.240 oh ouch, this family's about to get a double dose 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.600 of tragedy. And then the mom comes to the door 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.480 and they're like, are you the mother of Emily Porter? 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.920 And she's like, no, I'm Emily Porter. Dunt done credits, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.600 So immediately what's happening? Love? 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.639 When they tell the wrong person? I love? They Oh 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:07.560 my god, she's a lot. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.840 I just yeah, I love. Just go back to missing 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.879 your grandma. You can just go back to the Shiva 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:13.399 or whatever. 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.040 No, no, because this bitch is obviously doing something. Yeah, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.879 the teen is up to no good? How did ever 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:19.840 get these pills? 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:21.320 The teen is up to no good. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.520 So basically wrapping up this little storyline with the Porter family, 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.399 the daughter who answered the door stole her mom's pills 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.400 and sold them to some dude in the skateboard park 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.480 who she said, will buy anything from anyone's like medicine cabinet. 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.000 So nobody in the house like actually knows who this 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.040 dead girl is. But that's how we get to the pills. 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.280 So now at the park, Finn Zero's in on the 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.959 dealer named Doc and he is played by Exciting for 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.720 only me on this podcast, a guy named Jamie Hector, 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.960 who is the second on the call sheet in Bosh, Oh, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.480 Bosh's partner. He is a very great actor. I really 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.520 love him. And in Bosh, she has a big scar 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.960 on his face and he didn't in this show, and 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.000 I was I always assume it was like a real scar, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:02.840 but maybe they like put the scar on his face 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.960 every day. Anyway, Ice tries to score from him and 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.159 they have this funny combo and then he flashes his 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.240 badge like what about this? And then the guy tries 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.600 to run away, Ice grabs him. It's all very comical. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.840 Well, and he's probably so young in this was that 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.600 wild for you that you were like, hey, I know 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.640 you because this was way before Bosh. 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.160 Yeah, yeah, for sure. He looks really young, and I'm 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.320 kind of like, yeah, I'm glad you were like working 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.080 it for so long and then Bosh worked out for 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.320 you, you know, like you've been at this since two thousand 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:27.719 and two. 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.080 He doesn't know who the girl is. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:31.960 He just said she came by at ten am to 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.680 buy happy pills, and ice starts going. Finn starts going 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.640 through his pockets and he's like a full Dwayne read 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.200 like he just has all these like pills and poppers 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.840 and all things in his in his pockets. And he 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.880 says he doesn't really remember much about her. She was cute, 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.959 and he remembers her going to the motel across the street, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.680 like this seedy place, and that she was wearing a black, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.040 shiny floppy hat. Love this detail now. 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.520 This show, it's not shocking that I like it. It's 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.320 a bingo of all of my favorite things. Yeah, look up, 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:00.879 who bought this? 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:01.719 You know? 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.399 I love that that's not my pills. I don't know, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.960 I just like I love every moment in this. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.480 This episode is so like it takes them. It takes 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.879 them ten minutes just to get to the identity of 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:12.399 the victim. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.920 This episode and another great scene. I mean just filled 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.679 with great scenes. Yeah, it's just a lot of a 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.080 lot of detective works. And I love when the detectives 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.320 like think it's their fault, when they're like, oh, it's 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.360 my fault, and then they have to be like, it's 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.040 not your fault, and it's like it could have been 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:27.520 your fault. 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:28.119 Like I love that. 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.200 Yeah, live, you were really in the way, I guess 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.480 also like it's not about you, Like, yeah, this says 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.040 a definite drinking bingo episode if I've ever seen one, Yes, indeed, 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.600 well yes for you specifically, there's a hot line in 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:44.440 this episode. 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.800 Oh I don't even know what you're you're talking about 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.080 that you'll know when we get to it. 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:51.200 The motel is. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.400 Like super disgusting. The guy at the front desk is like, yeah, 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.920 maybe I saw this girl with some dude he signed 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:58.560 the book, and like they look it up and he 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.320 signed the book as Bend Dover, which is like Simpson's 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:05.680 level funny, and then paid cash. So stay. They head 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.800 upstairs and stablers like please tell me the room hasn't 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.400 been cleaned and he's like, no, since nineteen seventy two, 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:15.320 which is so disgusting. And in the room they find 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.320 the sparkly hat and it says in the hat made 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:24.639 exclusively for destination, so a hint. Now they I am 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:29.080 obsessed for with when they go to like fancy hoity 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.600 toity places and like Live knows how to hang and 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.120 Stabler definitely doesn't at all, like it's my favorite thing. 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.320 Like he's just like has no idea how like expensive 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.040 shit works. And so they're at this expensive boutique that 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.520 seemingly sells like hats and purses and that's it. And 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.200 then they get to the display and the sales girl 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.200 is like, oh, these they're seven ninety five, and Stabler's like, oh, 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.680 the only affordable thing in here, and it's like, dude, 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.199 a baseball hat is more than seven ninety five, Like 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.520 what are you talking about? So Live has to tell 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.760 him it's seven hundred and ninety five, and Live winks 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:01.440 at the girl. 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.080 It's really funny. If you missed it, check it out. 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.080 She does a little wink to the salesgirl like sorry 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.040 for my dumb ass boy, like guy friend here and 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.639 so yeah, I just like when liv gets to be 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.359 sophisticated and stunt on Stabler because he only knows about 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:18.879 like Catholic schools and the Rockaways. So she looks up 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.719 the hat and she the sales girl and she's like, actually, 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:22.639 we haven't sold any. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:23.040 Of these yet. 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.640 So they're like, okay, maybe this is a shoplifting situation. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.560 In the back room, there's like a sassy mail manager 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.359 who thanks them for catching a shoplifter and they have 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.359 like a full polaroid book of shoplifters, which I was like, 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.760 that must be humiliating, like you get caught, and then 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.760 they're like, we're taking your picture so we can recognize 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:40.760 you next time you come in. 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.000 Well, it's very Empire Records. 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:47.880 Yeaesh is an important movie to me, but very important. 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.919 Every day should be Rex Manning day. I used to 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.800 shoplift a lot, how about you. 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:59.080 I would say I definitely shoplifted, but it wasn't my 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:00.560 number one hobby. 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.040 Well I'm not saying it wasn't for me. 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.440 I wasn't varsity shoplifted. 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.520 Well no, I had some friends in high school that 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.119 like they would go to Nordstrom and the BP section 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.119 try on tons of stuff, layer it on and walk 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:12.720 out like. 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:13.880 They were really yeah. 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.199 And then one time I was with them and she 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.119 took underwear from limited to and the sales girl like 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.600 ran out and was like give it back, which is 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.080 against all rules. You're not supposed to, Like, I think 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.359 stores aren't allowed to tell you that you're shoplifting, because 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.760 if you're wrong, it's fucked up. Like most stores are 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.679 not allowed to approach someone even if you see someone's shoplifting. 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.320 So I can't believe she ran out, but she must 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.720 have been having a bad day. But you know, I 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.800 would take a lipsmacker here and there. The guy from 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.560 Walgreens was suspicious, but I got away with it. Some 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.400 candy at Aj'smart, but nothing too. 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.119 I used to steal clothes from the gap, but like 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.480 stuff that wasn't clicked on with the clicker, but it was. 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.600 I would only steal from large corporations where I would 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.560 never steal from like a small shop where someone was 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.240 like it was their livelihood, you know, And I would 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:58.440 just bring in a shopping bag. 0:25:58.480 --> 0:25:59.560 And I worked in retails. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.320 I would like fold clothes and stuff and then I 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:02.840 would just like fold it and like drop it into 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.680 my shopping bag and no one like noticed. I was, wow, 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.240 I was pretty slick at it. But I never knock 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.200 on wood. I never got caught, and I don't recommend it. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.840 It's bad. I just was like I work all the time. 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.360 I worked, and was like, I still can't afford new clothes, 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.080 like I'm I'm taking zone. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:23.040 So yeah, there must be some sort of something science 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.920 psychology of why teen girls love to see I'm sure 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.600 boys do it too, but it's not just necessity. We 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.040 both grew up in like well off suburbs or whatever. 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.240 So yeah, I am curious. 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.040 What is it? Just the thrill? 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.280 You just want the lipsmack like I wonder what it is, 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:40.159 because it is, you know. 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.119 It was like I wanted the clothes, and like my 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.080 mom my parents like wouldn't I mean, I was like 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:45.720 I did grow up in like an affluent town, but 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.280 I was one of six kids. My mom wasn't like, 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.280 let's go on a shopping spree every day, you know, 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.080 and like all the girls in my town were so 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.240 rich and had cool clothes. And I was like, I 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.240 want a new sweater from the gap, and my mom 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:56.680 won't buy it for me. So I got to figure 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.640 out my own way, and I don't recommend it. They 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.919 find a picture of this girl in the book of shoplifters, 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.720 which where my picture should exist. But and I actually 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.040 never would steal from a store where stuff was so expensive. 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.159 I was like pretty much Gap. 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.600 But they find a picture of this girl, but she 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:13.639 has no name on her picture. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.960 Huge jad for Gap, Gap should actually throw out some coins. 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.199 Yeah, we said it like ten times. 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.919 Yeah. And I'm also like, Gap, easy to steal from, Okay, 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.120 So he's like, of course, very SVU style. This guy 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:28.600 goes mm hm, I remember this, like like I remember 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.359 exactly what happened. I've got a book of shoplifters, but 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.760 this one I remember specifically. He's like, I would have 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.639 pressed charges, but like in his file there's nothing, Like 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.760 they never sent the form that the cops are supposed 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.679 to send when they take in a shoplifter. So like 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.600 they're like, officer Slater picked her up and we never 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.600 heard anything back. So now Finn goes and pays a 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.440 visit to Officer Slater, who is just straight up snoozeen 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.520 in his cop car on what looks like the West 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.440 Side Highway but could also be Left Yard. 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.440 I mean and it's supposed to show like, oh, look 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.359 at this guy sleeping on the job, but it's like, 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.560 I'd rather police be sleeping than shoe, you know what 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.480 I mean, you take a nap. 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.680 They are like giving people tickets. 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:09.800 Yeah, so he shows him the polaroid and he goes, 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.920 this girl pulled a Winona a Destination two weeks ago, 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.200 and it's like lol, but also like, will Winona writer 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.720 ever live that down? I mean, people still like think 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.720 of her just as a shoplifter and it's really not 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.040 that huge of a crime. 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.600 You know, no, didn't. 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.640 She just kind of like she has had an off 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:26.240 day or two. 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.199 I don't know, but it happens. It happens. 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.280 But yeah, it is also two thousand and two, so 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.960 it's probably more fresh. I forget what year she got busted, 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:36.679 but it is more fresh. So but I like that 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.600 he fin's pulling out the pop culture refs and he 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.640 said he said she wouldn't give up her name, and 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.880 so they gave her a desk appearance ticket. I don't 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.160 really know what this the desk appearance thing means, but 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.600 I think you kind of get the idea from context. 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.800 But so Benson and Stabler are at the desk appearance 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.600 ticket office, asking this lady who has very like Working 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.440 Girl vibes to me, like her hair, not Working Girl 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:01.880 like a sex worker, like the movie Working Girl, Like 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.360 she just has big hair and seems over it. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.160 You know, do you see Working. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.000 Girl curls, redhair curls. No, it's actually fucked up. I 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.440 haven't seen Working Girl or nine to five, and I 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:16.360 think I should do, like, yeah, like a Lil Moating movie. Yeah, 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.240 I want to, but you know, when there's pressure, like 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.000 you haven't seen something in a while and you want 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.440 to see nine to five, but it has to be 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.160 the right moment because it's on Delta flights right now. Yeah, 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.160 it would be easy to watch it, but that's not 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.840 the vibe I want for a movie like that. Yeah, 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.120 and so that's always hard to like find the right 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.720 moment where you're like, I'm gonna really watch nine to 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.360 five today. So yeah, it's took a movie with too much. 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.360 Pressure on it for me. Okay, well I'll watch it eventually. 0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.480 Happy to watch Working Girl with you too, because that's 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.320 actually closer to my heart than nine to five. But 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.920 they're both classics. So Benson and Stabler are like, can 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.560 you pull the ticket for Patricia Stevens with a pH 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.400 and the lady looks for like a second, well, actually, 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.360 when they first say her name, she looks kind of 0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.560 shocked at them, and then she goes over to the 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:01.120 filing cabinet is like no, I don't see it, and 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.120 then she's like really blowing them off super hard, and 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.920 they're like can you check a different spelling and she's 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.040 like no, actually I can't. I gotta go. Like it's 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:14.840 very like she's not willing to help, and liv is like, hey, honey, 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.160 this girl's dead and we'd love to notify her family, 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.200 so if you could just like open another filing cabinet 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:20.719 and get us the info, that would be sweet. 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:22.000 And the woman is. 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.640 Like, Patricia's dead, Okay, suddenly you know her? Like who 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:25.960 is she in? 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:26.520 Well? 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.360 And I love the Benson response. 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.040 She's just like that's what we spent this whole miserable 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.320 day trying to find out. 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.280 And I just like love the line reading yeah, because 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.360 the lady goes, you don't know who she is, do you? 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.760 And Benson's like, please do anything, just tell me. And 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.239 it turns out that she is the daughter of a 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:48.560 judge named Judge Thornberg Judge Walter Thornburg. So back at 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.120 the precinct, Stabler goes, why does it have to be 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.719 the stepdaughter of a hanging judge? Which I looked up 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.920 and it obviously refers to judges who used to give 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.240 hanging sentences, but it can also refer to a judge 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.480 who gives harsh sentences, so it's like a harsh judge. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.920 I would say all of her taff Judge Taft probably 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:11.400 a hanging judge. They go and tell Cragan and he's like, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.880 I know Walt, Like we have a history, like we 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.000 went to the same college. I see him at events 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.080 all the time, but I didn't even know he had 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.320 a daughter. And they're like, well it was his stepdaughter. 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:22.600 Cabot chills up like out of breath. 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.200 And she's like, so it's true. 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.080 And then she's like this is huge. The DA is 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:28.560 gonna want to know where we are on this every 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.920 step of the way. And then Craigan's like, I'm gonna 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.960 go tell the family. So now we're at this super 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.800 nice apartment brownstone situation, and Craigan shows up and sees 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.120 Judge Thornberg's wife Brooke with her two little boys and 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.040 she looks so happy to see Captain Craigan. 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.560 She's like, done, how are you? What's going on? 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.320 And this is actress Valerie Mahefi. I think is how 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.440 you say her name. And she has been in a 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:54.800 ton of shit. I don't know if you've seen her 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:56.600 and stuff, Lisa, if you recognize her from anything, but 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.520 she does have eighty seven credits on her shoe. Yeah, 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.120 and she's just in a show I watch called Big Sky. 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.920 If you watch Dead to Me, she plays Christina Applegate's 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.200 mother in law who like harasses her all the time. 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.520 And she was in a Seinfeld No. I think she's 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.800 the pretentious date of George. 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.800 Oh yeah, Patrece Patrice. 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.400 Yeah, and she's the pretentious one and she has like 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.080 chopsticks in her hair, and she was supposed to help 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.960 like Jerry with taxes, but then George is like you 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.240 fucking suck and then yeah, whatever. 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:28.160 She's great. 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.160 She's like I mean, she's a redhead, so she kind 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:31.640 of sticks out to you and like she was in 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:37.080 Desperate Housewives, Like I think she plays Kyle McLaughlin's first 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:37.800 wife or something. 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.640 What's amazing is she looks equal parts good and bad, 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.680 like she could be a dark, twisted bitch and not likable, 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.520 but she also just looks like a likable. 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.960 A sweet suburb woman. Yes, so completely cool. Yes, that's 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.440 very cool that she's very versatile like that, and in fact, 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.960 she plays a very fucked up character in Big Sky 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.440 so h a show that I randomly watch and for me, 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:03.960 just Seinfelt. 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.480 We talk about so much of the New York Show. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.480 But Seinfeld is like, everyone got their start, I mean 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:12.080 everyone incredible, Like you have to be Marish the best. Yeah. 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.680 Yeah, So she's kind of like, what's going on? Don 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:19.960 to Captain Craigan and then we cut to the next scene. 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.720 She's crying, so like, the judge is there and he's like, 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.280 why don't you go lay down? But then he starts 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.200 to give them some info and the wife is like, 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.160 Craigan starts to give them more info, and the wife 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.680 is just getting more and more upset, so she she leaves. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.880 They're like, does Brook have to be there here for this? 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.720 And he's like, no, of course not. So she goes 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.560 to I don't know, take a sedative and then the 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.160 judge is like, we can drop the we can drop 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.560 the act. Now this girl has been a problem child 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:51.160 since puberty, and it's like very weird, like how unaffected 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.600 he is. Like it's like, yeah, okay, your daughter was trouble, 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.600 but did you want her dead? Like it's just very 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.760 strange how he's just like nothing shocks me anymore. It's 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.800 like her death doesn't shock you. She's dead, okay. So 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.400 like they he's like, we tried everything. We sent her 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.320 to therapy, boarding school. She's been back from boarding school 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.320 for a year, and she goes to Saint Monica's Monica. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.719 Is such a modern day that's a Saint there's a 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.240 Saint Monica, Like this seems like such an eighties name. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.480 I don't know. Brooketts had gotten a phone call that 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.480 morning that Patricia had ditched school right after roll call, 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.480 and they're like, Truan sees how she's been torturing us 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.600 for years before that, it was a piercing before that, 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.239 it was a tattoo, okay whatever. Like these people seem 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.200 a little bit square and like they can't handle like 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:37.040 a regular teenager. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.960 It doesn't really sound like she's doing anything that crazy yet. 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.439 So now we're at the lab with the very hot 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.839 hot CSU tech Bert Trevor played by Daniel Sunjada who 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.120 is explaining that her tattoos aren't gang related and that 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.640 they found glass in her scalp that matched the broken 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.560 beer bottle, and then he explains what happened like he's 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.880 always very like, Okay, here's how it went down, Like 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.200 he's very kind of like passionate about how he talks 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:02.600 about the. 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.040 Friend the other csu Tex should actually be quite jealous 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:07.520 because he has the most. 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.240 Stand out evidence for some reason. 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.320 Maybe it's because of his sexy eyes, but I'm just 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.080 paying attention more. But he's usually like putting a dead 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.560 person's finger on a thumb, like he's always got the 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.200 wild twist of how to get the. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.399 Evidence, and he seems like he might be somebody who 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:26.280 uses more innovative tactics, like, for example, what happens next. 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.239 First he explains that like through blood splatter, it looks 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:31.719 like what happened when she was hit on the head 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:33.440 with the beer bottle at the top of the stairs, 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.880 then staggered backwards cartwheeled down the steps, like hitting her 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.520 head at the bottom where she was unconscious for fifteen minutes, 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.600 because you can tell there's like a pool of blood. 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:43.920 And Stabler's like, could you get a pringe off the 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.560 broken bottle, and Bert Trevor's like, you bet I can 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.640 if I fucking spend a million hours putting together a 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.279 puzzle piece. So he takes us to his little lab 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.520 of tricks and he shows us how he found a 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.400 matching bottle to this bottle, filled it with plaster of Paris, 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.239 and then and then he has this cast to use 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.640 where he can rebuild the bottle that smacked Patricia around 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.600 the mold, and Live is like, wow, there's like a 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.839 thousand pieces. Here are you, psycho? And he's like, call 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:12.120 you later when I figure it out. 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.600 But I don't get why you can't just dust all 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.400 the loose pieces, like you know what I mean to 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.080 get a print. It's quicker to rebuild a bottle and 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.120 dust for prints like it is. 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.480 I don't trust it. It's wild. 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.840 But maybe because like you need a full print like 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.680 a partial, maybe won't couldn't be the perfect like the 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.640 right idea. I don't know, I have no idea. But 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:39.920 now they're at the Catholic School Saint Monica's. 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.520 Skylar, Like I just was like, what, I didn't know 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.799 there were Monicas in BC, But I guess his mother 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.839 Teresa saint. I guess, ever, are saints just being born 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.120 all the time? I guess school. 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.040 You know, I don't know about saints. I mean, I 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:50.920 went to Hebrew school. 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.759 I have no idea. But at the Catholic school, they 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.000 are on a walk and talk with a nun who's like, 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.040 Patricia was really, really smart, but she was hostile towards 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.560 authority figures, not necessarily other kids, but authority figures. She 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.720 would talk back, arrive late. And then we also noticed 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.160 she was cutting and lives like, Hi, that's a cry 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.320 for help. It's not like an annoying thing she's doing. 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:14.880 So she kind of gives the nun a little bit 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.759 of a what's up, bitch, keep your eyes open? And 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.960 they say that she really only had one friend. So 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.319 they go talk to this friend she's studying. She's like, 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.799 I can't believe she's dead. She said, I never should 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.560 have left Trish, and she's like, I never skipped school, 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.799 but I went with Trish to destination and I didn't 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.479 know she was going to steal. And when I found 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.600 out that she was, I got out of there. So 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.920 she feels bad, but she was trying like not to 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.640 get in trouble. I guess, and she says, it explains 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.640 that they've been friends since Trish came to the school. 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.279 They both love the classics, Euripides, all these tragedies, et cetera. 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:52.680 They're both very drawn to them, she says, and they 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.239 go what about boyfriends? And she goes, Trisha never had 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.879 a boyfriend, not really, and they're like, what does that mean? 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:02.040 And she explained there were guys she wrote to and 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.440 she didn't think her parents would understand. So all the 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:08.239 letters came to my house and she's like, you know, 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.600 she was doing God's work, reaching out to lost souls. 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.759 And they're like, who is she writing to? And she 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:17.000 does the big reveal prisoners. She was writing two convicts 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.840 in jail, so they found a bunch of the letters 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.640 in Trisha's school locker. She's been pen paling with five 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.200 different convicts who all went away. Four of them went 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.560 away for murder, one for manslaughter. Cragan brings the list 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.880 to Cabot, and Cabot is like, look, three of your 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.279 guys are in Attica, one is at Sing Sing, and 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.919 one named Thomas Bird Gordon got out a week ago 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:38.680 and he has sex abuse priors. 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.200 And I'm like keeping her that's a fun the middle 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:42.439 name they just added in there. 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.239 It feels like a nickname or yeah, I don't know, 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.720 because like later people are calling him bird and Birdie 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:52.319 and shit. And then when Cabot's going through her very 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.799 very old looking computer, she's like, look at this and 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.279 shows Kragan Thornberg is the judge on all five of 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.640 these cases, like why is this girl seeking out men 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.240 that have her father? 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:05.719 Her stepfather has convicted. 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:07.840 So then they go. 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.520 To talk to the Thornburghs again. 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.000 They show up at their brownstone and he's been taken 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.160 to the hospital because someone took a shot at him. 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:15.960 So he's been shot, but he's alive and he's at 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:20.160 the hospital. So now Live is at the hospital talking 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.480 to Brook, the wife, and she explains like it's like 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.279 she's doing a lot of talking and it's not really 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.920 any information. She's basically like, I heard him get shot outside. 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.440 I went outside and there he was shot. And he 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.799 had been in court to clear his calendar so they 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:37.760 had could make funeral arrangements for Trish. And she says 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.560 he hasn't received any threats, like I'm sure there's plenty 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.320 of people that don't like him because he's a judge, 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:46.120 but like he hasn't we haven't received any specific like 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:50.080 you know, menacing threats. And so they asked her, did 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.960 you know about Trisha's pen palace situation? And she says 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.280 she didn't and she doesn't know the name Thomas Gordon. 0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:00.000 So now this is I mean, honestly, so many locations, 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.319 so many people. They're doing a lot of detective work. 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:06.160 They go talk to Thomas Gordon's parole officer, and this 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.400 guy's funny, he's very New York and he's like, this 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.560 guy's got a faulty transmitter, Like he doesn't understand like 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.000 girls say no yet no, and he hears yes. Like 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.480 he's basically like, okay, yeah, you're describing like most rapists, 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.640 I feel like, and he goes, but he'd never kill 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.319 one of them, because I don't think he thinks of 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.080 this guy as like a murderer. He's like, you went 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.400 away for manslaughter for a bar fight where he severed 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.120 a guy's carotid artery with a beer bottle. So things 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.759 are kind of lining up here, like this guy doesn't 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.040 seem like a premeditated murderer, but he does love to 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.960 use a beer bottle when he's mad Gordon has been 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.359 uh parole to his sister's place. And his sister and 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.759 her husband runs a garage and so that's where he's 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.359 been working and like living. So they go over there. 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.000 The sister's like, what do you want with my brother? 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.880 Like she's like leave him alone. He didn't do nothing. 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:52.880 And then the husband is like, come on, this guy's 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.719 a fucking worm. He showed up and asked for the 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.600 morning off so we could get a piece of ass. 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.560 He wasn't home last night. And the guy's just like 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.920 fully throwing his brother in law the bus. He does 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:01.879 not care, and. 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.279 So I'm sure he's pissed that he has to like 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:05.600 live with his brother in law. 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.760 Now yeah, yeah, he's like, now I have this dirt 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.279 bag around my house and like wasting time at my 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.520 autobody place. And he's like, not only did he never 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.319 come back to work, but he has my van. So 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.239 now everybody's looking for a nineteen ninety seven forty one 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.480 point fifty that this guy's very proud of himself because he. 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.600 Like put flames on it and like men are so funny. 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.160 So at the precinct they're all trying to figure out, 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.799 like where this guy could be they check all his 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.960 old They're like, go check out all of his old 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.160 haunts or whatever. And the first place they go to 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.799 is called Eager Beavers and it's a strip club, and 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.239 I just think the name is kind of funny. So 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.640 it's like a strip club on the Bowery or something, 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.160 which I don't I don't know about two thousand and two, 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.239 but there are no strip clubs on the Bowery right now. 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.520 The bar manager tells liv oh, oh, Tommy Bird. Yeah, 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.440 he gets drunk and like, comes in here. The other 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.040 night he tried to hump one of the strippers on 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.920 the stage. Her name is Sheila. Sheila comes over and goes, yeah, 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.319 he wanted to like hook up. He asked to go 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.120 meet him at a bar up the street, Falcones. Like 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.000 I didn't go, So then they go check out Falcones. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.080 The van is right outside the bar, and for the 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.560 sake of a forty to three minute television show, it 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:11.960 is unlocked and there is a gun sitting right on 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.840 the front seat because they got to get some shit moving. 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.799 And the gun that they find is the exact type 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:22.200 of gun used to shoot the judge. So inside the bar, 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.879 people are still smoking because it's two thousand and two. 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.520 Everyone's just sitting at the bar, puffing away. They find 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.480 Tommy sitting there wasted, And if you recognize this guy, 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:35.960 it's because he is a straight up SVU regular. Like, 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.000 not only was he the prison guard Dad in Raw, 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.600 the guy who paid someone to shoot his adoptive son 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.760 for the insurance money, he was also parts on season 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.160 one and season two, and then this is season three. 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.719 Then he played a recurring character in four episodes of season. 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.399 Fourteen, which I believe he. 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.520 Played an Atlanta cop that was like trying to hook 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:56.320 up with Rollins. 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:58.200 Yeah, that's how we keep seeing him. 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.520 So he's literally been on like seven or eight episodes 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:01.560 of SVU, maybe nine. 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:02.000 Legend. 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:07.280 Yeah, the actor's name is Mike Watford. Myk, very creative spelling, missus. 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.120 I see your notes. I'm smiling. I see what's next. 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:17.080 So uh yeah, So they find this guy wasted, and 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.920 as they're arresting him, we get a classic line that 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.440 Liza literally has on a sweatshirt where Ice Tea says 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:25.279 you have the right to remain silent and if you 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.120 puke in my car, I'm gonna kill your ass. 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.880 It's kind of iconic. 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.080 So it is from this episode, and many of you 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:36.040 have seen Liza on Instagram stories wearing truly a piece 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:41.200 of art. So in interrogation with the Bird, they tell 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.120 him like, we found your DNA, and Patricia like, you're like, 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.040 you're going away for this. This is kind of open 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.520 and shut, and he looks shocked when they tell him 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.000 that she's dead. He's like no, no, no, He's like, look, 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:53.839 he admits, I took a shot at the old man, 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:55.800 but I didn't hurt the girl. I didn't even know 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:58.520 they were related till yesterday. She's the one that wrote 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.279 to me first. I'm just sitting in my set and 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.480 her letters show up. I have the letters to prove it. 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.920 And she wrote me promising me sex. She said she'd 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.480 do whatever, blah blah blah. And then when they meet up, 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.879 she suddenly has a headache and doesn't want to do it, 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.520 but he was quote unquote past the point of no return, 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.160 so he's, I guess got a boner, and so he 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.640 says he seduced her and she finally like had sex 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.400 with him, and then she asked him to kill her stepdad, 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:27.759 the judge. So they're giving Daddy Cragan the rundown and 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.400 he's like really not buying the bird story. 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.720 He's like too closely to the case. He's too close 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.320 to the case. He's way too close. 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:38.080 And he's like, uh, we're listening to this drunk drunk 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.520 ex con Why And it's like, well, the letters like 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.600 don't specify anything about the judge or murder, but they 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.680 do mention a favor over and over. But she says 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.480 she has to tell him in person about the favor, 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:52.920 and yeah, daddy's cramar really paper evidence. Yeah, and she 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.560 told him. She actually also told him to destroy every letter, 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.560 which he never did because I mean, he's a dirt bag, 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:00.319 but at least she thought of it to say, please 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.920 destroy this. So yeah, Daddy Craigs really doesn't want to 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.799 hear any of this shit and lives like why would 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.959 he make this up? Like he gets charged the same way, 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.000 whether the girl put him up to shooting at the 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:11.960 judge or whether he just shot at the judge on 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.160 his own accord, So like why would he make all 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.680 this shit up? And why would this girl hate her 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.920 stepdad so much? Like, let's get to the bottom of this. 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.120 But Craigan's kind of like I'm closing my door, like 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.799 I don't care, And of course Benson and Stabler are like, 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.400 we love to keep digging. So now they go to 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.839 Trisha's funeral. It's really sad. There's like nobody there. They 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:31.560 go up to this woman that they think is Brooke 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.600 with the two little boys because she's turned around, but 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:37.680 when she flips forward it is Aaron Brook's sister and 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.239 she is ready to spill that funeral tea honey. So 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.720 Stabler goes onto daddy duty immediately and starts like playing 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.920 with the boys so that liv can talk to Aaron, 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.520 and she's basically like, here's the story. Brook's first husband 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.680 abandoned them when Trish was five, so Brooke got a 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:55.719 job as a court reporter. That's where she met the 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.080 meal ticket and. 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:58.680 She wasn't gonna let Trish fuck it up. 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.920 And as soon as they shipped Tricia away, they got married, 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.879 they adopted Brian, and they had Josh immediately after that 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:09.000 instant new family and lives like well with Tricia tucked 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.800 away at boarding school, and the sister's like, well, whoa, 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.320 whoa Tricia never went to boarding school and she's like, 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.880 I don't understand, where where did she go? And Aaron 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.520 explains that he the judge, swore out a PINS petition 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.200 on Tricia, which is a person in need of supervision 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.160 when she was barely twelve years old, and had her 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:30.600 sent to Kitty prison essentially, which is so fucked. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.480 Yeah, because usually if you have family in the courts 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.040 or connection to help get you out of stuff, yeah, 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.880 they don't send you to kitty prison. 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.359 So definitely like what the fuck? 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:43.760 Yeah, And they go to they show you this place. 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.920 You go there and it's like the farthest thing from 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.320 a boarding school you could get. It's like looks very 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.319 you know, sparse and like, and Finn is like, what's up, 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:52.600 Like why would a rich girl be here? 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.040 This is for inner city throwaways. 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:55.640 And it's like, okay, that's a little harsh ie. 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:56.480 I think they can hear you. 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.080 And then the lady who's walking around with is like 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.879 it is a little unusual. And he's like, okay, well, 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.320 what was Trisha like? And she's like, in three years, 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.279 she never once opened up in therapy, but we suspected 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.840 sexual abuse. And he's like why, and she starts listing 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:16.160 this whole long list of symptoms like hypervigilance, exaggerated startle, 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.960 response insomnia, never talking about the baby, nausea, poor appetsite, 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.360 and Ice is like, hold up, hold up, hold up, baby, 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.799 what are we talking about here? Like no one has 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:29.600 mentioned a baby yet. So they go talk to Tricia's mom, Brooke, 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:31.680 as she's loading her two little boys in the car, 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.120 and they're like, hey, what's up. Why didn't you give 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.120 us a heads up about your daughter's pregnancy when she 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:41.359 was twelve years fucking old and pregnant And they're like, 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.360 we know Brian as Tricia's son, and Brooke like tries 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.480 to run away, like she doesn't want to talk to 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:48.759 them anymore, and they're like, well, can you at least 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.240 tell us who the father is? And she's like, Tricia 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.160 told me she didn't even know who the father was. 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.560 So that's how slutty my twelve year old daughter was 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.840 that she doesn't even know the baby daddy. She was 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.960 having that much sex at eleven. So now back at 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.560 the precinct, Live discovers that Trisha's baby has the same 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.160 birthday as baby Brian, and Craigan is like, well, Craigan's 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.520 still making excuses for this guy. This is truly how 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.440 men get away with things, is they have friends like Craigan, 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.160 love Craigan, but in this episode he's literally just helping 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:20.160 and enabling and offering privilege to his friend over and 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.200 over again. And this is like how bad men keep 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.880 doing bad things. And he's like, well, adopting your unwed 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.680 daughter's baby isn't a crime, and it's like, well it 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.240 is if you're the one who knocked her up. Done done, 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.160 Like I had not even really come to that conclusion yet. 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:38.200 So Cragan's like he's one of the most respected jurists 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.960 in the state, and Cabots like he is the super 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.800 he is super tough on child molesters, Like this doesn't 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.839 really make sense, and it's like, yeah, it kind of does, though, 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.600 and they're like, the only way to prove it is 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:52.280 testing DNA. We have Tricia's DNA, we have Judge Thornberg's DNA. 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.719 We just need little Brian's DNA. So Craigan leaves and 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.279 Cabots like you better be right about this, and then 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.160 the next scene amazing. It's Cabot and Judge Elizabeth Donnelly, 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.799 the goat Judith Light and I love anytime that they 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.560 have a little scene together, and she's like, you gotta 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.480 be kidding me here. You have absolutely no proof that 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.480 this dude was having sex with his stepdaughter, and you 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.279 want to risk your career and mine over this. And 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.680 Alex Cabot kind of goes off and she's like, a 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:18.960 judge has used the power of the court to further 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.520 his own agenda. If the light we shine on him 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.480 isn't brighter than the light we shine in the public, 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.440 then this bureau has no integrity. I want that on 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.960 a sweatshirt. This resonates with Judes and she's like, look, 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:34.640 God help you if you're wrong. But she's obviously going 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.120 to sign the document to get the DNA test on 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.880 the little boy. So then in the next scene, Daddy 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.759 Craigan is visiting Judge Thornberg in the hospital. He's like 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:46.080 lying in a bed, looking sad, empathetic, and they tell 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:48.680 him like, you know, we ran a paternity test on 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:52.239 Brian and he's yours, Walter, you rape that little girl. 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.160 And the judge is like, don't ask me for an explanation. 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.160 I've searched my soul and I can't find one. And 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:03.959 it's like, okay, gross. Uh. Pragan's like, so you killed 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.680 her and the judge is like, no, no, no, no, wait, 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.000 Like I copped to the other part, but I am 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.920 not I did not kill her. I was in chambers 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.200 that day she was murdered. I have an alibi, and. 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.359 Yeah, I just rape my stepdaughter. I'm not a murderer. Yeah, 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.160 dah crazy, I'm dying and relax. 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.600 And it's like this is this brings up a little 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:25.080 bit of like the Woody Allen of it all, But 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.160 like I kind of there's is there any possibility that 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.200 this guy only molested his stepdaughter one time, like a 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.360 couple times or whatever, Like he's got to have other victims, 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:35.880 Like if this is what you're into, this is what 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:38.600 you're into, like this judge obviously, I don't know. I 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.279 just feel like, if you looked into it, she's not 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:41.080 the only victim. 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:41.799 And it just. 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.840 Seems really hard to date when you're a woman with children, 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.239 because anyone could just be using you to. 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.920 Molest your kids. Oh yeah, I just listened to it. 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:55.200 This is actually happening about that where this woman thought 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.200 her new husband was like cheating on her and she 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.480 kept trying to figure stuff out and she couldn't find anything, 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.040 and she like she was like, I know there's something there, 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.320 and then found videos that he set up a hidden 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:13.160 camera to tape her daughter showering, like he actually ended 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:13.960 up going to jail. 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.279 But it is this thing of like it's already hard 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.200 enough and now yeah it's weird. 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:23.560 Obviously there's good stepdads, but I right now I'm not 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.960 trusting any of them, right right, Ugh, So so the 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.520 Rosie Perez episode, you know, it's just like these stepdads 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:34.759 are predators. Totally don't come for me. I hope you 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.799 have great stepdads. I'm just saying yes, of course. It's 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:41.600 like I never really thought about that as like a 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.840 constant opt like thing that could happen until this podcast. 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.760 I mean, it is kind of like a TV trope. 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.480 The sketchy step dad is kind of like yeah, very 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.200 n SVU but also other places. 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:55.400 But and it's just sad when these people pick a strange, 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.360 loose man they've known for a few years over their children, 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.879 Like that is about right, right. 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:03.040 I mean, like an episode we did in when we 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:03.720 did name. 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.520 A couple episodes back, like that woman was molested by 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.480 her dad's boyfriend and then he would turned out to 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:12.680 be a killer. So anyway, now we're at the lab 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.200 with Bert Trevor and the bottle puzzle, and he has 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.760 finished it and he's it's like kind of a comedic 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.640 moment because he's like and just the last piece and 0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:22.880 they're like, come on, come on, come on, come on, 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:24.319 come on. And he's like, now I just have to 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.480 wait for it to completely dry, and they're like, dust 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.440 it now, bitch. So he does it and right away 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.799 a couple of big ass prints are right there, so 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:34.959 they kind of seem like you might have been able 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:36.760 to see them if you had just dusted the pieces 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.759 like he's but you know, I think for the showmanship, 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.320 it's kind of crazy that this guy assembled a fully 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:45.560 broken bottle and it wasn't like a little beer bottle. 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:49.439 It's like a four has lived in my memories for 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.520 decades now, like this is this has been one of 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.200 the pivotal moments of this show for me. 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:57.480 Is this bottle? Yeah? 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.960 And so now the going from one on scene to another, 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.759 I really this last scene is great. Like it's like 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:06.640 one of the reasons I love SVU. This is just 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.280 such a good final scene. So like at the Judge's house, 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.400 they confront Brooke and they're like, so you know what 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.000 your husband did and immediately she's like, Tricia seduced him. 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.839 And it's like these fucking moms who think that their 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.160 eleven year old children are seducing grown men, Like I 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.600 needed to hear that she was molested young and that 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:26.880 this is just a cycle or something, because that's just 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.239 so fucked up, or like you need a meal ticket 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.280 that valut you need to live in a brownstone that badly, 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:36.200 Like it's just so gross. Anyway, Brooks like she was 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.719 very disturbed. Tricia wouldn't leave him alone, you know, like, 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.319 oh yeah, she was just like eleven years old and 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.960 so horny for your old ass judge husband. She just 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.480 needed to get him in bed, and that's what happened, 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.399 Like you're delusional. And then they're like, well, we found 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:54.240 a fingerprint on the bottle that essentially killed your daughter 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.560 and dunt, dun it was yours, and she at first 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.000 denies it, but then like they present the whole scenario. 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:02.640 They're like, so when the school called you, it was 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.960 the last straw you went looking for her, you and 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.120 she said, I thought it had to be drugs, And 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:09.759 I went into her room and I found a slip 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.879 of paper with like the hotel meeting place for where 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:13.680 she was going to meet that guy. Doesn't that seems 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.960 kind of sloppy of Patricia to be honest, Like she's 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.360 writing like burn after reading and all this other shit, 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.880 and now she's like just leaving slips of paper ceedy 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:27.120 hotels where she's meeting men. Okay, Anyway, Brooke just knew 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.960 that Patricia was going there to have sex, and I 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.279 went there to save her, but it was too late. 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:33.680 I saw her as she was leaving the hotel. I 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:37.040 confronted her, and she just walked away, and she said 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:38.760 I knew she'd been with the man who had gotten 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.640 her pregnant. And then they're like, you followed her and 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:45.360 she finally told you, and she just turned on me. 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.440 Is what Brook says. She said, you want to know 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.600 who the father is, it's your husband, and then Brook 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.640 slapped her. Patricia pushed her mother, and then she says, 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:56.960 I must have picked up the bottle. I don't real 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.640 like she's acting like she was in a fog. She's 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:01.600 like I hit her with it, and then she goes 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.239 and she just gave me this look like I was 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:07.160 the one who had betrayed her, and it's like you sick, 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:12.279 sick fucking woman and that's dick Wolf Baby. It's kind 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:15.040 of it's like a very fucked up episode, but a 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:15.439 good one. 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.520 Well because then I guess what happens to the kids now? 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:22.080 Or is it just baby Brian or was there another one, because. 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.200 Well the other one is their biological baby. 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.840 But like daddy's going to jail for being a molester 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:28.520 and mom's going to jail for murderer. 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.879 So I guess maybe they go to Aaron. Maybe they'll 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:32.720 go to Aunt Aaron. She seemed nice. 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.200 Yeah, hopefully, Well, thank you so much. 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:42.520 Yeah, I'm very interested and intrigued. Knowing nothing of the 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:46.600 crime this is derived from, so great, take me on 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:54.640 a ride, Lisa. 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.839 So this crime was really excited, you know, I really 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:02.920 wanted to do this episode so badly, and we like 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:04.440 didn't know if it was based on something, and then 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.120 we found that it is based on something, and wildly. 0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.560 I was just on my friend Steve Fury's podcast called 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.880 World on Drugs, and I was a guest on his 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:14.680 podcast when we. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:15.640 Talked about this crime. 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:17.440 So if you want to check out more of the 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.440 conspiracy theories and like the background of all of this, 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:22.240 you can check out World on Drugs. 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:24.799 It was a three part episode he had. 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.400 We think we have long ones, but he had to 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:31.560 kind of into three episodes and whatever. So it would 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.080 be weird if I didn't give a shout out that 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.000 I just kind of learned a lot about this case 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:36.080 from Stephen. 0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:38.160 Now, I don't know. 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:41.080 If he has to do credible sources, but we do 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.440 so a lot of a lot of the like wild 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.000 conspiracy of it all is The New York Times is 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.759 not writing about that, so I'll touch on it, but 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.719 we're going to stick to the case. So about this case, 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:56.960 the Assistant United States like district attorney or whatever at 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.200 the time, he was the chief prosecutor in this case, 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:03.480 and his closing arguments, Ray John said, this is a 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.720 story of fear, a story of greed, and a story 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:07.440 of murder. 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:12.560 So that's exciting. And a lot of people who were involved. 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.520 With this they kept saying like, this is a giant 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.520 attack on our justice system, but no one believes in 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:20.400 our justice system, so I don't whatever. It was just 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.480 a bunch of government dorks being like this this we 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.800 need to put us stop to this, and it's like, okay, 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.640 we don't trust you. So basically Tuesday May twenty ninth, 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:35.560 nineteen seventy nine, US district Judge John H. Wood Junior 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.640 is assassinated near his home in San Antonio, Texas. And 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:43.240 that's why they kept saying, like justice is like at 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:46.840 risk because it's not the prosecutor the judge's false that 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:48.960 you're in trouble. It's you, and like we can't just 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:50.640 go on and start killing. 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:52.200 Prosecutors and judges. 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:55.520 But this was the first time that a US federal 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.400 judge was assassinated and he was sixty three at the 0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:01.800 time of death, so obviously this case is just focused 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:06.160 on the shooting of the judge in the episode. It 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.280 was a single shot with a rifle while he was 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.200 heading out to work and he was struck in the 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:12.320 back as he stood at the door of his car. 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.240 His last words to his wife before he got shot 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.160 was it's almost eight thirty. I've got to get to court. 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:22.160 So he loved his job and then was dead. He 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.600 was pronounced dead on arrival at a nearby hospital. And 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:29.040 this is very sview episode related. The judge was known 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:34.760 as Maximum John or hanging High John. Oh yeah, and 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:40.000 he handed out tough punishment to drug traffickers. Hated drugs 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.919 He is believed to have one of the heaviest narcotics 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:47.400 related caseloads in the nation, but a lot of the 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.960 law clerks that worked for him said the nicknames were 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.720 unfair because they saw him agonize all the time about 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.240 taking away a man's freedom, and that it was not 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:57.920 like easy or enjoyable for him, and that he was 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:00.440 deep in the process of. 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:01.400 Making these decisions. 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.560 So whatever, I don't know, but these are also, you know, 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:04.720 want to be judge dorks? 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:05.560 Can we trust them? 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:10.680 He was nominated by President Richard Nixon in October nineteen seventy. 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.640 Before that, he went to Saint Mary's University and the 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.280 University of Texas. 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:18.200 Law School and wildly dun dundun. 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:21.480 The person who is the hit man who took the 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:27.440 job to kill him is Woody Harrelson's biological father. So 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:33.240 white man can't jump. What are harder games? I mean, 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:39.160 Woody Harrelson, Larry Flynt, Yeah, so yeah, Woody Harrelson. He 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:40.960 didn't really grow up with his dad, and we'll find 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:42.560 out about their relationship earlier. 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:44.280 But he is the hit man who took this job. 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.640 So Harrelson was hired by Jameel is a Jamel whatever, 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:53.040 but they call him Jimmy Chagra. And if you know 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.160 about drugs, he was at the time like the biggest 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.920 coke and marijuana dealer ever. Like, he was just like 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:02.960 a very well known international drug dealer. And he paid 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:06.360 Harrelson two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to assassinate Wood, 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.600 who was going to preside over the drug lord's trial. 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.200 So he was trying to get rid of the judge 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:13.280 so he didn't have to go to trial. 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:15.560 I mean, he still would have had to go to trial, 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:17.560 but maybe he's like it's like, you don't you don't 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.240 get out when your judge gets killed, Like, but maybe 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.480 he didn't want somebody with such a high sentencing. 1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:24.560 That's what it is. That has to be it. Like 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:27.480 he's just known for doing that now. 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:29.840 So Harrelson got two hundred and fifty grand for this 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:35.280 and he's done more for less. Okay, he was sentenced 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:38.080 to fifteen years for killing a man for only two 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:42.520 thousand dollars, So yeah, he served five of those fifteen 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:45.720 for good behavior. And then he was also acquitted of 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:48.560 another murder of an executive at a carpet company, and 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:50.720 that I think was only for like fifteen hundred dollars. 1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.480 Like he just he was just kind of a chill ass. 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:56.200 He was doing it for the love of the game man. 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:57.520 He just loved to murder. 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:01.600 So Sam de Gellia Junior was the victim that he 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:02.400 got charged for. 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:04.840 He was like a father of four. So it is 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:05.480 very sad. 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:09.760 And the first trial ended in it with a deadlocked jury. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.760 But in that same case and trial they found his 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:18.120 partner accomplice, guy Peter Scamma Rod whatever this guy named 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:23.200 Pete got. He was sentenced to seven years probation for 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:25.640 the murder. So it is weird that one person found 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.920 guilty in the other was like a deadlock jury and 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:29.000 it led to a mistrial. 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:29.640 But whatever. 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:32.760 And then Alan Berg was the victim of the crime 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.640 he got acquitted from. He was tried on May twenty eighth, 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:38.959 nineteen sixty eight for the murder and September twenty second, 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:42.480 nineteen seventy was acquitted by a jury in Texas, And 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:43.600 I don't really know how. 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.560 Another fun moment with him is he had. 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:50.680 A six hour cocaine induced standoff with authorities near Van Horn, 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:53.680 Texas in nineteen eighty that led to his arrest on 1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:56.760 drug and weapons charges. The police were called to the 1:01:56.800 --> 1:02:00.120 scene for this standoff after there was a gaunt he 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:04.160 was like firing guns at imaginary FBI agents while high 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:08.880 as hell. So that's how they like apprehended him eventually 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.800 for some of the some of his fun doings. And 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:16.520 now you understand more about Woody Harrelson. So but you know, 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:17.880 you were talking about the love of the game. Not 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:20.439 only was he murdering his day job, he loved being 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:24.000 a crooked cart car dealer and gambler. So he was 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:27.720 really good at like cheating and you know, flipping around cards. 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:30.240 This sounds like a full This sounds like a full 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:32.680 movie this man's life. Yeah, it doesn't he sound like 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:36.080 a movie character like that Woody Harrelson would play, Like, yes. 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:37.440 Absolutely. 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:41.880 It's widely believed though that Harrelson was involved in the 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.920 world of organized crime, and even claimed to have been 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:48.880 connected to the nineteen sixty two assassination of President John F. 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:49.400 Kennedy. 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:53.560 What now, Some reports say that he was one of 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:56.920 the tramps photographed on the Grassy Knoll, like three people 1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:57.920 were kind of arrested. 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:01.280 There's photos of them, and there were hats and. 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:04.240 They were never fully processed and they were set off, 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:08.080 and so the like conspiracy and everything was that he 1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.640 worked for the government and that's how he was able 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:13.120 to get off, get out of these crimes and not 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:14.000 be charged. 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:15.640 For stuff and interested. 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:17.280 But I don't know why the government would work with 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.320 someone so sloppy. 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:22.360 Yeah, and who goes into like cocaine binges and sees them. 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:23.040 Yeah. 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:26.200 And so I also don't know if the JFK rumors 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.160 are real or he started them, because a lot of 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:31.120 accounts say that he would just like tell people. 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:31.360 That he did it. 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:36.880 Sure, but Woody Harrelson had an interview with Barbara Walters 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.640 and it was quoted saying he believed his father was 1:03:39.640 --> 1:03:43.400 a CIA uperative. Okay, but again, I mean maybe the 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.000 CIA gets people of all different types and then if 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:47.560 that's the case, I'm available. 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.919 But I don't know why they would work with him. 1:03:51.360 --> 1:03:53.960 And you know, Jimmy, like I mentioned, who hired him, 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:56.560 was a kingpin of marijuana smuggling in the seventies and 1:03:56.800 --> 1:03:59.920 was notorious for his lavish lifestyle and gambling habits. 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.120 Hello gambling, So yeah, no, I love it. 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:10.320 So Jimmy and mister Harrelson they met in Vegas gambling, 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:13.360 and that's how all of this kind of started. And 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:17.040 for years federal prosecutors in the Southwest had been at 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.440 war with Chagra and the and his l Paso family 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:24.680 of Lebanese immigrants, so he was everyone was staring at 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:28.080 him like everyone wanted him. On February twenty ninth, nineteen 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.520 seventy nine, he was indicted on five counts of trafficking 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:35.840 in marijuana and cocaine. So according to future testimony from 1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:39.120 Joseph Chagra, and he's obviously the brother of Jimmy, and 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:43.520 he was an attorney and he uh was Jimmy's attorney, 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.800 and he said that. You know, they went to a 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:49.760 pre trial hearing on April second, nineteen seventy nine, and 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:53.120 Judge Wood kept denying like a bunch of defense motions, 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:56.240 and Jimmy was getting nervous and looked over and was like, fuck, 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:57.400 I'm not going to have a fair trial. 1:04:57.560 --> 1:04:59.000 Do you think I should kill Judge Wood? 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:03.720 And so that's where the planning started, and Joseph said, yes, 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:08.120 I think you should, and okay, and the trial was 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:10.920 set for May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy nine. Sound like 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:13.200 a familiar day, Yeah, that is the day of the shooting. 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:15.880 Oh wow, So he was on his way to that 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:16.520 court case. 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:17.400 Joseph. 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:19.880 This lawyer ended up receiving a ten year sentence in 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:23.560 exchange for testimony against Harrelson, who legit said that he 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:25.880 told him that he killed the judge with one clean 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:26.640 shot in the back. 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:31.200 So Harrelson like confessed to Joseph. Wow. 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:35.120 And this whole case, like after Wood got shot. It 1:05:35.360 --> 1:05:39.160 was like the FBI spent tens of thousands of man 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:42.160 hours more than eleven million dollars in search for Woods killer, 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:46.400 and the investigation lasted nearly three years. At first, the 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:49.640 investigation was going slowly with the US Attorney in San Antonio, 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.480 so then it was shifted to the Justice Department in Washington, 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:56.800 and it was considered the biggest FBI probe since President 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.200 Kennedy's murder. Like all fifty four branches were working on this. 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:02.640 It was like a huge thing. And that again, is 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:04.680 it because of the judge? Is it because of the 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:07.160 you know, drug dealing of it all? Or is it 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:12.480 because mister Harrelson is an operative and they had to 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:14.920 like do something about it, Like we don't really know, 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:16.720 but huge investigation. 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:18.320 James O. 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:22.320 Ingraham, Deputy Assistant Director in the FBI's Criminal Division was 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:25.440 put in charge of investigating the killing of wood and 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:28.640 US marshalls were assigned to protect all federal judges in 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:29.120 the area. 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:31.000 The case was kept. 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:33.920 Away from reporters and they maintained tight wraps on information 1:06:34.000 --> 1:06:38.040 of the case and keeping it tight tight, And from 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:41.000 the beginning, the federal officials never wavered from the belief 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:43.120 that Chagra was at the heart of the murder, and 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:46.200 they all thought it was him. And that's another reason 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:48.280 it kind of took so long. That the stakes were 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:50.640 so high. They didn't want to blow the case. They 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:52.440 needed all the evidence they can get, and they knew 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:54.800 they wouldn't have another chance. And he's so high connected 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:58.320 and rich and wild, so they really they really had 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:01.200 to get all their shit together. So five people were 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:05.200 indicted besides Chagra and Harrelson. You know, it was Joseph 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:09.720 the lawyer, Jimmy, Chagar's wife Elizabeth, and Harrelson's wife jo Anne, 1:07:09.800 --> 1:07:12.800 who is not Woodie's mother. If you can imagine, this 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:15.040 man was married a lot of times. There's a lot 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:19.200 of women, and they like a bunch of them were 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:21.800 charged with conspiracy to murder would and with the obstruction 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:24.480 of justice, and we'll go into like more of their 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:28.600 like individual actions in this case. And it was a 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:31.919 big risk going after everybody. But they secretly taped conversations 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:35.040 between the two Chagar brothers and between Joe Shagar and Harrelson, 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:38.040 and Joe Schagar claims the tapes are not admissible in 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:41.080 court because he was acting as an attorney for both 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:44.960 men and so that like fucks up with client attorney privilege. 1:07:45.000 --> 1:07:46.600 But they taped everything. 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:50.480 Aw they also taped conversations with Jimmy and another prison 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.440 inmate who agreed to cooperate. So the government recorded more 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:56.280 than one thousand conversations, most of them by telephone, but 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:59.760 there was just like lots of stuff. And because Jimmy 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:02.480 was in jail for drug charges beforehand, so they had 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:05.160 like conversations from the time that he was in jail 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:09.360 as well. There's another Chakra brother, Lee, who was a 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:12.640 defense attorney that made a small fortune whatever that means, 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:14.720 I don't know, besting the government in a bunch of 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:18.000 drug cases. And Lee was murdered on December twenty third, 1:08:18.080 --> 1:08:21.759 nineteen seventy in his office. A few months later, Jimmy 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:23.919 was arrested on drug smuggling charges. 1:08:24.560 --> 1:08:27.920 Huh, so his brother was murdered and then, okay, I. 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:30.000 Don't even know if that's connected, but if there's a 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:31.680 murder in the family, I'm gonna mention it. 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:32.640 I don't know what to tell you. 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.880 This whole time that the case was starting, the youngest brother, Joe, 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:37.400 who was a lawyer, was trying to get Wood off 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:40.760 the case. He said that would was biased and prejudiced. 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:45.320 But like old Judge Taft from SVU, he got to 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:48.160 overrule their motion and did not grant a change of 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:51.240 like of judge, but did grant a change of venue. 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.240 So they moved the trial from Midland to Austin. So 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.240 that's you know, we didn't know if that was just 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:59.400 SVU style, but in real life you could try to 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:01.479 get a judge moved and it's up to the judge 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.200 to say if that's okay or not. 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:05.800 So he overruled that. 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:09.679 So what's wild is the murder took place fourteen blocks 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:12.479 from the scene of a November twenty second ambush where 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:15.000 two gunmen fired fifteen rounds of bullets into the car 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:18.280 of an assistant US attorney James Kerr as he left 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:20.560 home for work when he was only but he was 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:24.000 only injured slightly, which is good. And he also specialized 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:28.600 in narcotics prosecutions and presided over very important cases before would. 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:32.639 Jesus being a judge is like scary at this time period, but. 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:33.559 We didn't really think about it. 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:37.280 And it reminds me of the Zapata case with you know, 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:40.760 Alex Cabot and having to escape and that they're they're 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:43.760 down to kill witnesses, judges, lawyers, They do not care, 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:46.479 and so a lot of stuff was happening. So after 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:50.960 the shooting happened to Kurr, all the judges in the 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:55.000 area got guarded by federal marshals and they had protection. 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:59.600 But the judge asked for it to stop shortly before Christmas, 1:10:00.240 --> 1:10:02.360 which might have been a bad mistake because within six 1:10:02.400 --> 1:10:03.120 months he was killed. 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:04.040 But I don't know how much. 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:06.840 How long they could have protective detail over every judge 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:11.040 in San Antonio. I mean, yeah, they're spending so much money, 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:14.720 it's wild. You could just also make drugs legal and 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:17.000 then everything would be fine and there wouldn't be all 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:17.719 this bullshit. 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:20.280 Yeah, it's almost like the war on drugs doesn't work. 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:23.719 Kerr was kept undercover for a while until he returned 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:26.640 in a very dramatic fashion to federal court in January 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:30.400 to prosecute a narcotic smuggling suspect who was defended by 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:33.600 Joe Chagra with Judge Would presiding. 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.160 I mean, this is like a soap opera television show 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:39.839 that this guy is representing all these drug kingpins, including 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:42.000 his brother who's one of the biggest drug kingpins. 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:46.800 And that's what actually solidified the government's theory that Harrelson 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:48.840 was connected by them and hired because they're like, why 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:52.559 else would Joe Chagra be defending him? 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:54.720 You know, he's just a hillbilly lunatic. 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:57.840 So in turn of like keeping in the family, actually 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:01.560 they told on themselves. Yes, and you know with all this, 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:05.080 I don't oh god, yeah so much. But it also 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:07.200 like brings to lighte That's something I don't think about 1:11:07.200 --> 1:11:09.519 where it's like all the judges and lawyers see each 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:11.360 other all the time. They're all friends. They're all not 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:14.080 like they're chatting like it is this little community. They're 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:16.080 not strangers, and they all know who each other are 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:18.360 and work with each other. And you know, you love 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:20.880 some judges, you hate some judges, and like what if 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:22.720 a judge doesn't really like a lawyer, Like, I don't 1:11:22.760 --> 1:11:25.280 trust human beings no matter what their position, to be 1:11:25.360 --> 1:11:27.200 impartial and be professional. 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:30.040 I don't like if you hate some lawyer, can you 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:30.800 be impartial? 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:31.559 Like? I don't know. 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:33.519 We give too much power to people. 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:37.679 So February nineteen eighty one, federal agents armed with search 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:39.960 warrants went to Joe Shauger's home and the homes of 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:44.759 all the other family members to gather evidence. They found 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:47.920 tapes of conversations and a rough map that showed Harrelson 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:50.439 where he had left the murder weapon, and of course 1:11:50.479 --> 1:11:52.080 collected drugs too, so there was. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:53.000 Like a drawn map. 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:56.640 The map, though, didn't help lead to the weapon and 1:11:56.680 --> 1:11:59.920 evidence was questionable, so they had to continue their person 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:03.240 of additional evidence and spent months trying to pit the 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:05.479 people in the case against each other, hoping that someone 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:08.920 would testify. Then there was a break where a rifle 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:12.559 stock was discovered near where the map located the murder weapon, 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:16.759 and it was traced back to Joe Anne Harrelson. Joanne 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:21.880 Harrelson was this guy's second wife. She was tried and 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:23.600 convicted of purchasing. 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:24.639 The weapon under a false name. 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:26.799 And this is a little bit tied to the episode, 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:29.040 and I wonder if they did that on purpose, But. 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:34.400 She used a fake name. It was Fay King, which 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:34.960 is faking. 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:37.000 Oh yeah, like bend Over. 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:39.800 Okay, yeah, so I don't know, you know, Neil Behar 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:41.320 might have to let us know if that was on 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:45.599 purpose or not. But if they were taking from this case, 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:48.439 that kind of makes sense, but faking. So it was 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:52.439 purchased with this fake name twelve days before the slaying. 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:53.679 Wow. 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:56.240 And I would never say slaying because Tomys slay is 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:59.680 just drag race, but they kept saying it in this 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:00.760 and I kind of like. 1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:03.320 It, like to switch it up before he death dropped. 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:07.760 Yeah, the FBI did get someone to flip, and that 1:13:07.920 --> 1:13:12.639 was Teresa's Star, Jasper Harrelson's stepdaughter, who in the past 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.439 had been jailed last like the year prior on contempt 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:18.760 charges for refusing to testify to the grand jury. But 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:22.479 she surely ended up testifying and not being indicted in 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:25.559 the case, so trust no. 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:25.960 One. 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:29.400 Shagar's wife delivered the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:33.120 to Harrelson's stepdaughter, Teresa's Star, at a Las Vegas hotel 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:36.439 and took delivery of the blood money to carry out 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.800 the hit on Judge Wood. So you can't do that, Yeah, 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:42.880 I guess that's o crime. You can't be moving around 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:46.320 blood money now. In March nineteen eighty one, a Dallas 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:49.400 newspaper reported that the judge had actually been trailed for 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:51.280 several months before the shooting. 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:52.559 The Dallas Morning. 1:13:52.560 --> 1:13:54.960 News of the surveillance began after a secret meeting in 1:13:55.000 --> 1:13:58.439 San Antonio in December nineteen seventy eight. Like they found 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:00.800 proof that Charles had rented a case for a week 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:03.160 near the bea near the beach home of the judge 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:06.400 in Rockport, Texas, while the judge was also vacationing. 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:08.160 Ooh, that's so sketchy. 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:12.160 And this was all scooped by an unidentified man who 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:14.280 says he was at the meeting and was offered big 1:14:14.320 --> 1:14:16.839 bucks to do it and a cocaine connect and everything, 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:21.280 but to provide and dispose of them after the murder, 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:26.080 and he had no interest in doing that. Jimmy Schagar, though, 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.160 who hires the hit man, was acquitted of murder and 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.720 conspiracy of murder in Jacksonville, Florida, but was convicted on 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:34.960 drug charges. He was also found guilty of obstructing the 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:38.080 investigation into the slaying and was sentenced to ten years 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:41.759 in prison. Chagra was freed on parole in two thousand 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:45.240 and three and entered witness protection and then he died 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:46.519 in two thousand and eight. 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:50.639 Of cancer in Arizona. So Jimmy Chagra is dead. 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:54.960 Elizabeth Chagra, who is the wife of Jimmy and was 1:14:55.000 --> 1:14:58.160 found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to 1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:01.080 obstruct justice. She was was accused of lying in her 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:04.439 testimony about the purchase of the hunting rifle that was used, 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.200 and she lied in saying she knew nothing about a 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:09.160 trip made by her daughter and the trip to pick 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:13.400 up the cash. She was sentenced to thirty years, which 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:14.799 I think is fucked up. 1:15:16.280 --> 1:15:17.840 The wife got thirty years. 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:24.040 Yes, conspiracy to commit murder and construct justice. Yeah, I 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:26.160 guess if you help out, because well someone told me, 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:31.160 like if you're the getaway car, you're still charged for murder, right, Like, 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:33.799 if you're a part of a murder or something taking place, 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:35.599 you are charged with everybody else. 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:39.760 He barely served thirty years he served it looks like 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:41.120 he served twenty five years. 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:44.320 Yeah, and you know, we learned from the Aileen Warno's case. 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:48.599 They don't really give women deals because the jails aren't 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:52.639 over done. Yeah, I'm kind of sad for her. So 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:55.439 she got thirty years and she died in prison in 1:15:55.520 --> 1:15:59.120 nineteen ninety seven of ovarian cancer, and her family fought 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:01.280 really hard and try to get her out, like for 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:05.679 a compassionate release, but that did not happen. Joe Anne 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:09.200 was found guilty of conspiracy to debstruct justice and previously 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:11.400 convicted of using a false name to buy a rifle 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:12.880 and sentenced to three years. 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.719 So I don't understand these sentences at all. 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:20.880 Joe Chagra, who was the attorney, He pled guilty to 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.720 conspiracy charges and served more than six years of a 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.519 ten year sentence, and he died in a car accident 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:27.760 in nineteen ninety six. 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:34.800 Yeah, family is like kind of haunted or yeah. 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:37.759 Or you're a drug dealing kingpin. Yeah, it could be karma. 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:38.599 Well yeah, curse. 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:41.920 Well, I don't know if curse. Yeah, ovary and cancer, 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:44.320 car accidents, these all seemed like things that perhaps were 1:16:44.320 --> 1:16:45.799 brought on by karma. 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:46.360 Yeah, who knows. 1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:48.160 Yeah cool, because you said I'm lucky, and I go 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.320 they had something to do with their luck. 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:51.559 I'm not. 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:56.719 Harrelson was defended by court appointed attorney Thomas G. Sharp, 1:16:57.040 --> 1:16:59.479 who defended him on the two previous murder for higher 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.000 charges and one ended an acquittal and. 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:05.400 One you know with that sentence. So whatever. Anyways, this 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:07.000 trial was eleven weeks. 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.559 Charles Harrelson was convicted in nineteen eighty two to two 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:14.360 consecutive life terms plus five years, which is really funny. 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:17.160 So he was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:20.479 murder of a federal judge, and conspiracy to obstruct justice, 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:23.800 which was that extra five years. And that came after 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:28.000 eighteen hours of deliberation. And then I read that during 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:30.720 when they like the jury was saying that not, you know, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:33.839 we found we find this defendant guilty. 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:35.719 People were losing their minds. 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:38.360 Like I understand the Lacy Peterson case, people are going 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:41.719 to get upset about some stuff. But here the accounts 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:43.799 say that a bunch of the jury were in tears. 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:49.200 One woman shook visibly and broke into sobs. Another juror 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:52.160 collapsed in her chair after the verdict was read and 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:53.840 needed to be helped from the courtroom. 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:58.360 I'm so confused. This is like a career criminal. Why, yeah, 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.160 I don't get it. I really don't get it. 1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:03.640 If any had him, he was supposed to murder my 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:04.920 ex husband next week. 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:06.200 They're so sad. 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:10.840 Accounts from the courtroom also say that Harrelson was at 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:13.360 ease and leaning back in his chair and even giving 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:14.760 the jury little smiles. 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:17.640 It's like, I can see Woody Harrelson doing that, Like, 1:18:17.680 --> 1:18:19.960 you know, will Woody Harrelson has that sly smile. 1:18:20.080 --> 1:18:21.840 Oh my gosh. Yeah. 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:25.240 He was wearing a three piece denim suit, which I love. 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:25.840 Okay. 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:30.439 In his testimony, though he said that he was set 1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:33.280 up by another guy, he said that the gun was 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:35.280 given to this other guy, not by his wife. He 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:37.760 also said that someone borrowed his car and he was 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:39.960 not using his car that day, and it's like, bro, 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:43.640 it's you. But then he also like I think he 1:18:43.680 --> 1:18:46.320 loves attention. He gives me a lot of tiger king vibes. 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:50.200 And he ended up giving his whole life story, criminal life, 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:53.000 spilled all these secrets on the stand, like he was 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:55.639 also arrested at age twenty one on a robbery charge 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:58.640 in Orange County and then okay, but this is what 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:03.240 I don't like. So Federal District Judge William S. Sessions 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:08.080 was a pallbearer at the slain judge's funeral, appointed himself 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:08.759 this case. 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:10.360 This is Daddy Craigan. 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:12.600 Energy. Yes, Daddy Craigan was. 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:16.320 Kind of doing like you carried this dead man's body 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:18.559 at his funeral and now you're. 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:20.120 Presiding over the case. 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:23.879 Yeah, but he was the chief judge in the district, 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:27.800 so he was allowed to do that to himself. So 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:31.800 Harrelson goes to prison. He gets two life sentences, the 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:35.080 extra five years. Now, I cannot get enough of this guy. 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:38.840 On July fourth, nineteen ninety five, he attempted to escape 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:41.479 a federal prison in Atlanta with two other inmates using 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:45.759 a makeshift rope so on, you know, on America's birthday 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:48.799 or fake birthday, you know, And we as a culture 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:50.560 think differently of July fourth, But it is one of 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:52.960 my favorite holidays, and I do like fireworks and hot dogs, 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:56.360 and now I'm going to celebrate the attempted escape of 1:19:56.400 --> 1:19:59.639 this man as well. But a warning shot was fired 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.120 at them from the prison's tower very very quickly, and 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:05.640 the trio surrendered, and then he was transferred to Supermax 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:10.120 in Florence, Colorado, which is the highest federal prison anywhere. 1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:14.840 Other inmates included the unibomber, the Olympic Park bomber, and 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:18.360 the Oklahoma City bomber, and then this fucking hillbilly. 1:20:18.800 --> 1:20:19.800 A real Who's who? 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.320 Who's who? Are they all put to death? 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:22.599 Now? 1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:23.519 Yeah? 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:27.920 I actually don't know. The unibomber is dead, right, he's alive. 1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:30.719 I wonder if he's still writing. 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:35.320 Okay, do you still write? 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.040 I liked the talk about it. We'll write him a 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.639 pen pal letter. Yeah, girl in this episode and be like. 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:41.280 Do you still right? 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:42.000 Do you journal? 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:44.960 So? 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:49.360 In nineteen ninety seven, Woody Harrelson bankrolled his father's unsuccessful 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:53.120 appeal and attended the federal proceedings in Texas and Colorado. 1:20:53.800 --> 1:20:57.160 But to appeal after an escape attent is very LOL 1:20:57.240 --> 1:21:01.439 to me. You appeal to be like, no, I'm a 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:04.120 good guy, but like trying to escape prison, then appealing 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:06.000 is like the wrong order of stuff. 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.639 I wonder if, like he thought, oh, if my now 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:10.720 my son is kind of famous, maybe I'll get off 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:12.800 because of like you know, you never know what goes 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:13.880 through people's heads, Like. 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:16.880 You know, my son's bankrolling. He'll be showing up in court. 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:18.800 Maybe this will draw more attention and they'll let me 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:20.080 out or something who. 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:22.519 Knows, Yeah, he so. 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:26.840 Woody Harrelson in an interview, says that he tried for 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.680 years to get him, to get him free and get 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:31.599 him a new trial, and they're like, do you think 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:34.960 he deserved a new trial, and Harrelson says, I don't 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:37.920 know if he deserved a new trial, but just being 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:41.479 a son trying to help his dad, and then he 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:44.720 spent a couple million dollars, I don't know whatever. So 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:46.760 he didn't think that his dad was innocent, but in 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:48.439 his head he's like, I'm just gonna help my dad 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:52.519 in whatever way I can. And in nineteen eighty eight interview, 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.880 Woody Harelson with People Magazine said that his father left 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:58.600 his mother in nineteen sixty eight when wood he was 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:00.720 eight and didn't feel like Charles was much of a 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:04.520 parent at all. He took no valid part in my upbringing. 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:06.960 So it is a little confusing that he's still paid 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:09.320 for all the appeals and tried to get his father 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.919 out even though he didn't have a connection. But familial 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:15.800 bonds are unique in their own way, and he said 1:22:15.840 --> 1:22:18.600 that him and his father had grown closer since the imprisonment, 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:21.439 and he told People magazine that he's still trying to 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:24.280 figure out if his father is like a friend or. 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.960 A parent, like he can't really he doesn't. 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:29.519 Get it, but says that when he was eleven or twelve, 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.320 I heard his name mentioned on a car radio. I 1:22:32.360 --> 1:22:34.040 was in a car waiting for a lady who was 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:36.839 picking me up from school, helping my mom, and anyway, 1:22:36.880 --> 1:22:38.799 I was listening to the radio and it was talking 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:43.880 about Charles Harrelson. Thinking there can't be another Charles V. Harrelson. 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:46.560 I mean, that's my dad. And it was a wild realization. 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:48.439 So he was just like in a carpool with some 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:53.400 other woman and hearing about his dad being a killer 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:54.040 on the radio. 1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:55.240 Pretty wild. 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:58.559 Anybody said, the lady was really really nice to him 1:22:58.560 --> 1:22:59.799 and realized what had happened. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.600 Was like a nice lady, So that's cute. 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:07.240 Charles died in prison March fifteenth, two thousand and seven, 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:12.639 at age sixty eight, and the federal building on Caesar 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:17.960 Chavez Boulevard is named after judge would So there's a 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:21.879 building named after the judge, and that is his legacy. 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:23.879 Sucks that he was killed. 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.920 Everyone's dead in prison, or yeah, it seems like everyone 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:31.240 here is dead. So if you want to know more 1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:34.320 and deep dive into the John F. Kennedy of it 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:38.320 all and all this government conspiracy stuff. You can check 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:43.040 out Steve Fery's podcast or you know, some wild sources 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.920 on the internet that are not up to our standards. 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:50.599 But yeah, this was interesting. I like the Woody Harrelson 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.640 connection of it all. And maybe he will make a 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:55.320 movie one day about it. Who knows, because what I 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:57.240 learned from Steve, but I couldn't find anything in my 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:02.280 research was in Colorado during that appeals process. They all 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:05.439 had to stay in like one place, like everyone was 1:24:05.439 --> 1:24:08.400 staying near the courthouse, like everyone had to go to Colorado, 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:12.880 and Woody Harrelson played pick up basketball with like the 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:16.519 judge or the lawyer or something, and they got along 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:20.080 playing basketball, and so then that judge had to recuse 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:22.000 himself from the case because he had so much fun 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:23.519 playing basketball with Woody Harrelson. 1:24:25.080 --> 1:24:25.960 And so then. 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:30.040 The dad got a new judge and that judge squashed 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:32.920 the appeal and maybe the other one wouldn't have. But yeah, 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:36.360 so that was just like a little moment that I 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:39.880 liked hearing about, but I couldn't find information about it. 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:41.519 But at the end of the day. 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:43.760 These are just like trash criminals who were willing to 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:48.200 murder for one thousand dollars, damn and set up their 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:51.280 wives Like why not? I mean, obviously people are people, 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:54.000 and this is not my own personal opinion, but if 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:56.280 I was a drug kingpin, I would not be setting 1:24:56.360 --> 1:24:58.760 up my wife. I wouldn't have my wife do the 1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:02.200 blood money. I would hire, Like, I don't understand. 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:03.160 Why they Yeah, this is. 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:06.360 Not hard or I was gonna say, like, you know, 1:25:06.439 --> 1:25:09.600 I'm sure there was some sex workers running around, Like 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:10.960 I just don't know why you wouldn't. 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:12.599 I guess feel like you can't. 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.000 You can only trust family to bring you back two 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:17.559 hundred and fifty thousand dollars cash and not run away 1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:20.240 to Mexico or something. That's the only thing I'm playing 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:21.960 devil's advocate for a drug king Finry. 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:22.120 No. 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:24.200 I would like to know the reasoning because to me, 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:26.400 it's like, well, now your wife had to spend thirty 1:25:26.479 --> 1:25:28.200 years in prison and die slowly. 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:29.160 I mean, and this is like. 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:31.640 She sounds like Orange is the new Black character, Like 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:33.360 this is the kind of shit Red was in jail 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:35.720 for in that show. She was just like, you know, 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:36.960 shit that her criminal. 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:37.840 Husband got her involved in. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:40.800 Well, thank you for all that in depth research. Lease, 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.520 I knew nothing about this and it was very interesting. 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:46.000 Yeah, I wonder if we would know. Well, I guess it. 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:48.600 Was like the first federal judge that was ever assassinated. 1:25:48.640 --> 1:25:50.200 But I wonder if we would care or know about 1:25:50.200 --> 1:25:52.839 this case at all if it wasn't for Whatdy Harrelson's connection. 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:54.080 Yeah. 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:57.080 Interesting true, and that the guy tried to take credit 1:25:57.120 --> 1:25:58.400 for JFK. 1:25:57.840 --> 1:25:59.320 I think I love that all. 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:00.559 On that love that. 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.200 What if you could take credit for one crime? What 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:07.800 would you take credit for? I'd be the Zodiac. 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:08.320 Wait. 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.360 I was listening to Christina Ricci on Whitney Cummings podcast, 1:26:11.800 --> 1:26:13.679 and I guess she played Lizzie Borden in a movie 1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:16.400 or TV show or something, and her research showed that 1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:19.559 Lizzie Borden is not guilty and that she was set 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:22.000 up And there's all this evidence that Lizzie Borden was 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:23.240 did not do it. 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:25.440 And so we do want to do that episode? 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:26.400 What episode is? 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:31.559 Is it the Sarah Paulson motherfucker Sarah do our show? 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:32.880 Yeah? 1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:36.760 I would love to see. I would love to be 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:37.679 able to learn. 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:40.800 Check it out. Yeah, all right, well, we have a hot, 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:51.920 hot guest coming up, so don't go anywhere, guys, this 1:26:52.000 --> 1:26:55.439 week's guest. I'm sorry I was a blushing heavily over 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:58.559 Zoom because we've had some very hot guests, but this 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:00.000 is one of our hottest guests of all time. 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:02.439 And I'm sorry to interrupt, but I was so mad. 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:04.439 My hair looks crazy and I kept trying to fix 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:06.600 it throughout the interview. Not like I was about to 1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:09.240 go marry this guy or anything, but I was just like, cauld, 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:11.200 I just please look good in front of him, and 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:13.240 I couldn't. I remember my curls. It'll live. 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:17.599 It's like I was fidgeting. I could. I was not chill. 1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:18.280 I was not chill. 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:21.160 Well, especially for Liza, because this man is from a 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:24.080 very iconic episode of Sex in the City. He is 1:27:24.200 --> 1:27:27.519 in a one of my top ten favorite movies of 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:31.080 all time, The Double Wars Prada. You can catch him 1:27:31.320 --> 1:27:36.000 recently in The Stars crime drama PowerBook to Colan Ghost, 1:27:36.560 --> 1:27:40.599 but you know him well as CSU technician Bert Trevor. 1:27:40.920 --> 1:27:45.679 Guys are chat with the one and only Daniel Sunjada. 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:47.919 We can't believe we're talking to Bert Trevor. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:52.880 I know now you know what's crazy. I didn't think 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:56.160 my character had a name when I first got the job. 1:27:56.600 --> 1:28:00.599 But the first episode you were bomb Squad guy random 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.559 And then how did the jump go to play bird? 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:07.280 Did you have to audition again? Did they just say 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:08.400 we need this guy back? 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:10.719 So this is how that happened. 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.840 I got confused last night when I was watching the episode. 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:16.840 The way that happened was I was sitting in my 1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:20.920 apartment in Flatbush, Brooklyn. I'm eating like chicken wings and 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.680 rice white rice once a day, trying not to take 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:26.560 a second job so I could be available for auditions. 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:29.960 I get a call from my agents that I believe 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:32.080 it's Julie Tucker. I believe it was Julie Tucker at 1:28:32.080 --> 1:28:34.960 the time he was doing casting, and they're like, got 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:37.719 to come in today. So I ran over to Peer 1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:39.800 twenty three I think that is on the West Side 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:43.719 Highway over there, and they were literally they had fired 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:46.720 somebody or for some reason the person had to be 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:50.519 replaced that day. Wow, So it was like, come in 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:52.080 an audition. If you get the job, you're going to 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:54.439 work tonight. I was like, oh my god, I'm like 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:57.080 freaking out. I'm on the subway, trying to memorize the 1:28:57.080 --> 1:29:00.519 lines and everything. So I get there and kind of 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:03.480 the rest is history. Like I auditioned, I booked it, 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:05.479 and I guess it was the bomb squad guy that 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:09.080 was the first. I vaguely remember that now vaguely, I 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:10.360 think he might have beet a goatee. 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:12.280 I remember what he did. 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:15.680 But the episode that I watched last night, Jete, was 1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:17.840 it season three, episode nineteen or whatever? 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:18.280 That was? 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:22.000 Yeah, Yeah, that was a totally different that's Bert. 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:23.679 Yeah, that's Bert go Bert. 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:26.240 Yeah, well, that scene is iconic. 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:31.080 That bottle has stayed in my mind for decades and 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:34.439 it's just like one of the best scenes ever. Did 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:36.559 you break the like, do you remember that bottle scene? 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:38.880 And are the facts that you say all true? Because 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:41.280 you say a lot of you come in, you like 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:43.439 blow up the case and then you kind of leave 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:45.840 and yeah, it is all the science real and tell 1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:47.000 us about the bottle moment. 1:29:47.720 --> 1:29:50.639 I don't know if the science is real, it's certainly 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:54.800 it certainly seems to be based in reality. So I mean, 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:58.200 I know that there are laboratory, you know, forensic laboratory 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:00.920 technicians who do that kind of job. They kind of 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:04.639 helped deconstruct the crime scene for the detectives and help them, 1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:07.120 you know, on their journey to solving the crime. 1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:09.000 Splatter pattern. 1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:10.800 When he was talking about the splatter pattern and the 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:13.360 way the blood droplets went down the stairs and it 1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:15.519 seemed like she tumbled over and all that, I think 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:17.200 that they can really tell that kind of stuff from 1:30:17.240 --> 1:30:19.200 evidence left at a crime scene, physical evidence. 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:24.280 The mother sure was sloppy though, like, yeah, she's like 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:28.519 you know, I mean I believed her too. I believed 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:29.639 her up until the end. 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:33.479 But yeah, shooting that scene was actually really nerve wracking. 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:36.120 That's why last night I was like, I think this 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:38.280 is the day that I know this was my first episode. 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.960 I couldn't even remember season seaton that I started in 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:45.800 season one, So yeah, that day, for some reason, I 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:49.240 was super nervous. And you know, Chris and Marishka when 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:53.320 they they have such long days and to all of 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:56.760 the co stars, they're very generous, they're super kind, you know, 1:30:56.840 --> 1:30:59.040 but you kind of get the impression that we want 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:01.120 you to be good, but can you get to me, 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:03.600 just can you just get let's get it done. You know, 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:06.080 stand in the right spot, say the right words, and 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:08.439 let's let's keep it pushing. So I was having a 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.600 problem hitting my mark that day. That day, there was 1:31:11.640 --> 1:31:14.400 a ton of technical jargon that I had to I 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:16.880 had to walk them through my analysis of the crime scene. 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:18.400 I had to act. 1:31:18.479 --> 1:31:21.280 The direction from the director was that he's like, he's 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:23.160 like a mad scientist in his lab and he's like 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:23.679 super exit. 1:31:23.720 --> 1:31:24.800 This kind of stuff turns him on. 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:27.080 He's really excited to, you know, to share with him 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:29.120 what is what his conclusions are. 1:31:29.120 --> 1:31:31.920 So I'm trying to play that, you know. And then 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:35.360 it was it's a very small room. 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:37.639 So when you're shooting in a small space and there's 1:31:37.680 --> 1:31:40.240 like two or three people in that space, hitting your 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:43.120 mark is very important. Otherwise the camera. Otherwise it's a 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:45.640 problem for camera. And I just could not hit my 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:48.560 mark that day. I just kept I was so consumed 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:50.280 with remembering what I had to say. 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:52.840 And the thing with the bottle. 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:55.000 I had to hold the bottle in an awkward angle 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:57.519 so that it looks natural on cameras. Sometimes you have 1:31:57.560 --> 1:31:59.120 to instead of looking at your phone like this, they 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:01.240 need you to like do this, you know, so that 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:03.120 for some reason, so that it looks you know. 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:05.439 So it was a similar situation with the bottle. 1:32:05.520 --> 1:32:07.080 I had to hold it and break it in such 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:11.360 a way that took forever. And anyway, I remember between takes, 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:13.719 I was basically having a panic attack because I felt 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:14.920 like I'm going to get fired. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:16.800 This isn't happening fast enough. 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:20.479 And Chris Maloney from across the room, he was just 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:22.519 like Dan and I looked. 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:24.719 Over at him. He was just like this, calm down. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.960 And I was like, I just needed somebody to just 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:31.040 give me the space to just, you know, take my time. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:33.880 And it was a very it was a very generous moment. 1:32:34.120 --> 1:32:36.360 To this day, when I bump into Chris, I remind 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:37.880 him of that. He was like, I remember, man, you 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:38.519 were freaking out. 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:43.080 You're freaking out. So anyway, that's the story of that scene. 1:32:43.439 --> 1:32:43.960 Wow. 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:47.519 Yeah, it must be harder to memorize the lines when 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:51.560 it's all the science chats, yeah than regular. 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:54.920 It definitely is, because you have to say it. You 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:57.880 have to speak this technical jargon as if it's second 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:01.759 nature to you, actually, as if you're such an expert 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:04.240 in your field that you have to dumb it down 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:06.640 a little bit for the people that you are explaining 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:09.800 it to. Meanwhile, you're just an actor. Pretending, you know, 1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:12.400 there's a reason why I did not go to medical school. 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:14.400 There's a reason why I did not study you know, 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:17.200 criminal whatever psychology. 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:19.920 So yeah, that could be a little tricky. 1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:23.400 Well, I was just gonna say, even though you haven't 1:33:23.640 --> 1:33:25.519 had all this training, it seems like you get a 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:31.719 lot of roles as authority, fireman, cop, FBI, And I guess, 1:33:32.000 --> 1:33:35.800 what do you think it is about you that I 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:36.240 don't know? 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:39.479 I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't feel very 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:43.559 authoritative in my own life. And yeah, I guess that's 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:46.040 true because there was rescue Me, and I don't know. 1:33:46.160 --> 1:33:48.200 I guess it's like a lot of your The way 1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:50.120 you get cast has to do with how you are 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:53.719 perceived by the casting directors. When they get a script, 1:33:54.080 --> 1:33:57.040 they break it down. Now they're looking to what actors 1:33:57.040 --> 1:33:58.880 are they going to call in for these roles? And 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:02.280 I just pictured them looking up and blo, blue little 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:04.240 thought bubbles of like fifteen different people. 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:06.439 Pop up and then they go you you, And I. 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.320 Guess, yeah, I'm one of the faces that pops up 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:11.240 when they need a cop or something like that. 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:15.520 Yeah, and we noticed there was SVU Rescue Me overlap 1:34:16.520 --> 1:34:19.320 do you remember, like working with your Rescue Me costars 1:34:19.360 --> 1:34:21.200 on SVU and we're bumping into each other. 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:24.880 It was James mccaffree. 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:28.840 Oh right, James, my guy. No, I don't remember that. 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:32.400 I don't remember that, but I do remember both productions 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:35.000 being very generous in trying to work it out so 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:38.640 that I could do both things at the same time. Sometimes, 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:41.559 you know, if you're contractually obligated to one job and 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:44.000 you have an opportunity to do a second job, the 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:46.519 first job will just say no, just because they can 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:49.240 and they want you to be totally available to them. 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:53.040 But when we're talking about young actors who are trying 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:56.120 to just get a career started, and it's really the 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:59.160 it's the aggregate of work that you you know, it's 1:34:59.160 --> 1:35:01.519 the fact that people see you on Rescue Me, and 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:03.639 now they see you on Law and Order, and now 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:05.760 they see you in a Broadway play and now Sex 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:08.559 and the City, and that's what That's what starts a career. 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:10.479 It's like building a fire and you have to use 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:12.960 little pieces at first, tindling, you know what I'm saying, 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.960 so you can get it going. So I was very 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:19.760 grateful that both production houses understood that and they did 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:20.600 what they could. 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:22.599 To help a young actor get their career going. 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:24.320 Yeah, and it sounds like a lot of the New 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:26.479 York shows are also very cool when it comes to 1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:28.880 people doing stage stuff. They'll try to like help people 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:31.240 get out on time to like get to do you 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:33.040 know Broadway or off Broadway stuff. 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:33.160 Doo. 1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:36.559 It's true, which is probably different than LA. 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:40.320 Definitely different than LA. Not that there's no theater out here, 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:41.839 but that's one hundred percent true. 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:44.360 When did you move out here? It seems like you 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:45.920 were in New York for a really long time. 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:49.680 I just got here, my girlfriend and I just got here, 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:54.479 I'd say two weeks ago, and yeah, I'm finishing another 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.280 job and then after that we intend to stay here 1:35:57.280 --> 1:35:59.360 for a while. But I have lived here before. We 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:02.479 were in Larchmont Hancock Park last time. 1:36:03.000 --> 1:36:06.559 The best Noah's Bagels, No's bagel. You might not be 1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:07.479 eating bagels, but. 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:10.280 I'm all about it. 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:12.680 Well, this is a little off topic, but. 1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:15.479 You know, we were researching you and usually when you 1:36:15.520 --> 1:36:18.240 type in an actor's name or an actress, like, the 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:21.479 first option is always like wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband. 1:36:21.800 --> 1:36:25.240 How have you been able to escape that there is nothing? 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:27.360 Yeah, there's no. 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:27.960 Dirt on you. 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:30.599 We're trying to get some uh, there's. 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.960 Some there's some random blah blah and some you know, 1:36:33.680 --> 1:36:34.800 blogs in the deep web. 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:35.160 Whatever. 1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:38.080 You know, it's people will say. People will say whatever 1:36:38.080 --> 1:36:40.600 they want to say about you. I just at the 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:43.800 beginning of my career, anytime I had an interview, I 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:46.760 made sure that it was understood that I'm happy to 1:36:46.800 --> 1:36:49.479 talk about the work. I'm happy to talk about my education, 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:52.240 I'm happy to talk about all kinds of things, but I'd. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:53.760 Really rather leave my personal life out of it. 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:57.000 And even then sometimes they'll try to like, so, who's 1:36:57.000 --> 1:36:58.760 the lucky lady, and you know what I mean, But. 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:01.120 I just find it, you know. 1:37:01.320 --> 1:37:04.120 I think the less people know, once you open that door, 1:37:04.320 --> 1:37:07.639 then it's wide open forever. And people just feel entitled too, 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:11.280 you know. And I don't know what the experience is 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:13.600 like for women in Hollywood, but for men in Hollywood, 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:16.200 if you happen to play those cards, the cards of 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:19.280 your personal life close to your chest, people will then 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:22.720 just speculate like he's gay, or you know, he never 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:25.400 brings anybody, he's this, he's that, and you know, sure 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:29.880 I might be gay, absolutely, maybe it could be whatever 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:31.840 you just let your imaginations run wild. 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:35.200 Really, I don't really care. It actually tickles me. 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:38.240 Yeah yeah, And I stay out of trouble in case 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:39.559 you right, I noticed I stay out of trouble. 1:37:39.720 --> 1:37:40.840 Yes, yeah, you do. 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:42.679 Well. That's good though. 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:46.599 So, having been on like sixteen episodes of this show, 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:49.120 you obviously worked with all the different detectives. We're getting 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:52.559 the Maloney scoop from you, et cetera. Was there anybody 1:37:52.560 --> 1:37:54.760 that you were like super excited when you got when 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:56.040 you were like, oh, I got a scene with this 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.160 person today. I'm so excited to work with Ice or 1:37:58.160 --> 1:37:59.720 I'm so excited to work with so and so, Like 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:00.360 I know, you just. 1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:04.439 Said it, Yeah right, you just said it. I mean 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:08.479 Iced Tea. I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:14.360 And we were in some scenes together, but my fondest 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:16.200 memories of him are just the stories that he would 1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:17.760 tell when we were in the hair and makeup room 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:21.320 at the same time, and stuff about street life and 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:24.679 you know, pimping and you know, the pimp game. 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:25.960 And the rap game and stuff. And I would just 1:38:26.000 --> 1:38:27.800 sit there and just listen to him, and I was like, Wow, 1:38:28.160 --> 1:38:31.040 Iced Tea, this is crazy. I can't believe it is 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:32.599 he Is he still on the show? 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:34.519 Yes, Oh my god. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:36.760 I don't think he's got any plans to go anywhere either. 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:38.200 He loves it. 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:41.519 Let me tell you, when you were on a show 1:38:41.760 --> 1:38:46.599 like that and it's now it's three four seasons, you've 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:47.679 basically heard from Dick. 1:38:48.240 --> 1:38:49.880 As long as you want to be here, you're here. 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:54.280 The checks that these people are bringing home, I wouldn't 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:56.040 I probably wouldn't leave that job either. 1:38:56.479 --> 1:38:58.080 I mean, on top of the fact that not only 1:38:58.160 --> 1:39:00.720 is it running, so you're getting like a guarantee episode 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:04.439 you know, episode order every season, but then the syndication, Yeah, 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:06.080 on ten channels at the same time. 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.639 And I'm sure you're getting some checks. I hope you're 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:09.719 still getting some fun. 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:13.840 Not really, not really not I think that not really 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:14.120 at all. 1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:17.920 Actually I did for a while, but the merger between 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:21.320 SAG and AFTRA, they didn't really negotiate the best deal. 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:21.839 For the actors. 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:25.599 And there was a day when you would make almost, 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:30.439 if not more money in your residual income than you 1:39:30.479 --> 1:39:32.680 made on your contract, even if you were just a 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:33.280 day player. 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:36.400 Now it's a new day. Now you have to be 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:38.439 a series regular in order to do that. 1:39:39.160 --> 1:39:42.200 What I wanted to say, though, is that it's never 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:45.040 really been to be on what I would consider to 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:48.840 be a procedural show as a series regular. I could 1:39:48.840 --> 1:39:50.880 see myself doing it for a short period of time, 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:53.320 but I don't think no matter how much money I 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:57.559 was making, I wouldn't feel artistically and creatively gratified doing 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:02.000 it for almost two decades Like this is my opinion, 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:05.200 my perception, but often the most interesting characters on the 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:07.680 show are the guest stars or the person that might 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:10.640 have done it. They have the most interesting roles. Sometimes 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:13.439 oftentimes they even have the better dialogue. It seems like 1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:16.840 the detectives a lot of times it's a different version 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:18.720 of the same thing. They walk in. They asked a 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:21.880 couple of questions, you know. Sometimes the question is just 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:25.320 well why and how do you and when did that happen? 1:40:25.320 --> 1:40:27.600 And it's okay, you can tell the truth, you know 1:40:27.640 --> 1:40:30.559 what I mean? They usually at some point have like 1:40:30.600 --> 1:40:33.040 a nice chunk of something you know, to say, but 1:40:33.960 --> 1:40:35.920 I don't know it just I think it would become 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:37.440 I would say monotonous. 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:38.200 That's not the right one. 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:40.840 Well, we've heard different people say this, say similar things 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:42.840 to us too, that people that were regulars on the 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:44.679 show for a long time were like, you know, after 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:46.840 X amount of seasons, it started to feel like my 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:50.360 character wasn't really growing anymore. But right, you know, Ice 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:53.519 is still find in the fun I guess, and he's 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:55.840 got you know, he's also on a show where they 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:58.920 let him bring Coco with him wherever he goes. She's 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:01.679 with him all the time. Yeah, they're throwing lavish parties 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:02.439 for baby Chanel. 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:04.120 I mean, I think they're having it. I think they're 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:05.040 living a good life. 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.960 Well, so you mentioned that the guests have like cool 1:41:09.000 --> 1:41:10.600 lines and all that, and it reminded me you're in 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:13.520 one of You're in a lot of iconic, iconic episodes. 1:41:14.160 --> 1:41:16.240 But do you remember you're in an episode where the 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:19.360 guy goes, I had sex with my sister and then 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:20.160 he pukes. 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:24.240 I do remember that. I don't remember what. Yes, yes, 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:25.000 I do remember that. 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:28.400 Families and people are obsessed with it. Everybody wants us 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:30.200 to cover it. But it's not based on a real crime, 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:30.920 I don't think. 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:34.440 But okay, you're in one of Neil Bear's favorite episodes. 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:36.720 I don't know if you guys ever connected on the 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:42.320 set and what was the it was course Coerce. Of 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:45.080 course I was with the Kashistis. It was like a 1:41:45.080 --> 1:41:47.960 guy with schizophrenia trying to kidnap us a boy. 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:50.320 Okay, No, I don't recall that. 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:54.320 I mean we're like, remember so many of the Yeah, 1:41:54.840 --> 1:41:56.840 some of these you probably only were in for like 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:58.759 a scene or two, and we're like, do you remember? 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:00.200 That? 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:02.880 Was kind of like I was so grateful that that 1:42:02.960 --> 1:42:05.720 I was on for like was it seventeen nineteen episodes? 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:09.439 But it was the kind of thing where they made 1:42:09.479 --> 1:42:11.439 it easy, like they it would be like once every 1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:13.720 three episodes or four episodes, I'd come in and do 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:19.559 like two drive by scenes like what Trevor. It wasn't 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:21.280 like it every week or and every day kind of thing. 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:23.479 So it was easy to fit that into into the 1:42:23.560 --> 1:42:24.320 other stuff I was doing. 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:25.240 We have bad habits. 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:27.240 Sometimes we'll ask a question and someone's like, that was 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:29.400 in two thousand and two, and I don't I don't 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:30.200 know what you want from me. 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:34.360 So I definitely no that it. 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:37.320 Was No, but you you know a lot of details 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:40.360 from that episode Justice, and that was you know, eighteen 1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:41.599 years ago at least. 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:44.479 So that's that's because I watched it last night. But 1:42:44.640 --> 1:42:47.479 I haven't seen it. I see, Yeah, I watched it 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:49.200 because I knew that's what we're going to talk about today. 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:51.320 But I haven't seen any of my work on Law 1:42:51.320 --> 1:42:52.639 and Order in a very long time. 1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:55.759 So really general, do you watch yourself? 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:56.040 What? 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:57.840 How do you pick and choose what you watch? I mean, 1:42:57.840 --> 1:42:59.120 you are un Rescue Me for so long? 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:02.360 Do you watch every week er specific ones or when 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:04.519 you just started where you like, how to watch. 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:07.200 With my family and let's get food? How does that work? 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:10.280 It was when with the Rescue Me. 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.680 It was me, Michael Lombardi and Steve Pasqual that were 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:15.479 the young guys that had got cast on the show. 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:18.280 And when I tell you, we were excited, like we 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:21.200 literally we met in Times Square when they put the 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:23.440 billboard up, and we were like, WHOA. 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:26.720 My god, We're on a billboard in Times Square. You know. 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:28.600 We didn't then stand there and wait for people to 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:32.360 recognize us and ask us for autographs. But yeah, we 1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:34.920 used to have viewing parties and we would get together 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:37.040 at each other's cribs, and we did that for about 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:40.479 the first one or two seasons, and then you kind of, you. 1:43:40.400 --> 1:43:41.840 Know, I would say, it's your job. 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:44.800 You're still passionate about what you're doing, but the excitement 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.519 kind of wore off for us and we became just 1:43:47.560 --> 1:43:52.040 more focused on the work in general. Unless it's something 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:54.719 like that, it's a situation that I'm just super super 1:43:54.720 --> 1:43:58.680 excited about, or I'm wondering if how it felt to 1:43:58.760 --> 1:44:01.080 me when I gave the performance, if it came across 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:04.760 that way. In situations like that, I'll watch myself. But 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.040 a lot of times my friends get mad at me 1:44:07.080 --> 1:44:09.559 because I forgot to tell them that something that I 1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:12.479 did was airing, because even I didn't know that it 1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:13.160 was airing. 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:13.720 You know what I mean. 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:17.439 Yeah, when you were on SVU, did you ever did 1:44:17.479 --> 1:44:19.960 you ever befriend any of the other CSU texts like 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:26.200 Melinda Warren, Melinda Warner, Mark Doyle Like, No, we. 1:44:26.240 --> 1:44:27.200 Never got close. 1:44:27.360 --> 1:44:30.160 I mean our paths would cross occasionally, but no, I 1:44:30.200 --> 1:44:31.160 didn't make any like I. 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:32.680 Would say, long term friendships. 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:36.200 And the last person that I've seen was was Chris 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:39.000 was Maloney because he cast me in this show that 1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:40.320 he did called Happy. 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:42.280 Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:44.720 So you know, he and he just called me out 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:45.479 of the blue. Again. 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:47.160 I really needed a job at the time, and it 1:44:47.200 --> 1:44:50.200 was a straight offer, and I was so grateful. I 1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:53.280 did not watch that particular. I did not I did not. 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:55.920 Watch Happy, But that's because of my vanity. I was. 1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:58.919 I was a little rotund in that role for myself, 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:02.880 so I was. It's an image conscious industry, you know, 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:05.000 we're all so neurotic about that. 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:08.800 But yeah, I guess if he wasn't happy with the 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:10.639 way I looked, he probably would have been like. 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.840 Oh, because he was this fitness yeah, oh my god, 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:14.599 Oh my god. 1:45:15.320 --> 1:45:18.040 The guy is to this day he is jacked. 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:19.520 Yeah. 1:45:19.760 --> 1:45:22.040 No, his butt, his butt had a real summer. I 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:24.519 feel like he was having a real hot butt. 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:28.600 Summer, but summer, lots of squats. 1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:30.720 I want to talk about Sex and the City and 1:45:30.760 --> 1:45:36.719 Devils Proudie a huge, huge, like, I mean, there's Miranda 1:45:37.080 --> 1:45:37.479 up there. 1:45:40.560 --> 1:45:42.040 How was it? I mean, there was the height of 1:45:42.040 --> 1:45:42.599 that show. 1:45:42.680 --> 1:45:44.719 You were a young actor, like you were getting SVU 1:45:44.760 --> 1:45:47.000 and stuff, Blake, how was it booking it wearing a 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:50.679 cute little navy outfit and did people lose their minds? 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:55.160 I got recognized more for that single episode of TV, 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:57.400 and I'm talking this was for years. 1:45:57.520 --> 1:46:00.519 I was it was more than rescuing me more than this, 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:01.120 more than that. 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:03.479 When people did stop me on the street, they would 1:46:03.520 --> 1:46:05.320 be like, you were on Sex and the City and. 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:09.000 I was like, yeah, that was meaning. It was great. 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:14.040 You know, the producers, in particular Sarah Jessica Parker, who 1:46:14.080 --> 1:46:16.519 as the star and an executive producer on the show, 1:46:16.680 --> 1:46:19.200 doesn't have to be nice to anybody, but she was 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:24.360 so generous, so kind, just made the acting so easy, 1:46:24.439 --> 1:46:27.200 especially that the scene where we danced together. You know, 1:46:28.200 --> 1:46:32.120 I can't remember what the song was, but I think 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:35.519 why that show did so much from that single episode 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:37.479 of TV, why it did so much for my career 1:46:37.560 --> 1:46:40.320 is because it was the first episode of Sex and 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.240 the City to air after nine to eleven. 1:46:42.960 --> 1:46:44.960 I believe, Wow, I didn't even know that. 1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:48.599 I'm almost positive it's the Fleet Week whatever. 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:50.639 I think the Fleet Week episode. 1:46:50.280 --> 1:46:52.760 Which was such a lie because I moved to New 1:46:52.840 --> 1:46:56.280 York excited for Fleet Week because of that episode. 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:59.120 And then they're just they're like teenagers and bell bottoms. 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:01.679 You know. It was like, it's such a disappointment because 1:47:01.680 --> 1:47:05.080 it's like you're expecting someone like you and then it's 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:05.760 it's it's not. 1:47:05.880 --> 1:47:06.320 It was not. 1:47:06.520 --> 1:47:09.200 It was a disappointment. Real Fleet week was a disappointment. 1:47:09.640 --> 1:47:12.200 Well, you see, now it was a mix because the 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:14.840 guys that were on the street with me when I 1:47:14.880 --> 1:47:18.400 stopped the taxi cab for Jessica, they were kind of 1:47:18.800 --> 1:47:21.840 the belt. They're more the guys that you say kind 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:23.000 of I'll say, let you down. 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:24.240 They were very good looking young men. 1:47:24.320 --> 1:47:26.160 They were very much but they were but then they 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:28.320 cast you know, there was another guy who was like 1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:31.000 like a naval officer, you know what I'm saying, and like, yeah, 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:32.880 they don't go those guys don't go out in New 1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:33.439 York for fear. 1:47:33.840 --> 1:47:35.120 Yeah, the guys that are at that. 1:47:35.120 --> 1:47:37.360 Level, Oh my gosh. I was going to say, like, 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:39.200 I wonder what you get recognized the most for. And 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:42.479 I bet it's like between Devilware's Prada and Sex and 1:47:42.479 --> 1:47:46.040 the City just because you know, you really stick out 1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:47.240 to women and they say. 1:47:47.040 --> 1:47:50.880 Something like Devilware's Proud. I've seen at least twenty times. 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:52.640 They watch it on flights all the time. It's just 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:54.800 kind of always and same with Sex and the City. 1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:58.519 There shows that you NSVU, you're kind of like, we're 1:47:58.520 --> 1:47:59.320 going to see you a lot. 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.200 Yeah, yeah, sure. At Doubleware's crowd, it was a really 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:03.520 good movie. 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:05.880 I thought it was just going to be kind of 1:48:05.920 --> 1:48:09.519 like you know what the people normally they basically chick 1:48:09.560 --> 1:48:11.920 flick that only women would want to watch it. But 1:48:12.280 --> 1:48:14.400 so many of my male friends were like, I watched 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:16.760 it because of my girlfriend. But actually it was really good. 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:19.800 I was like, it's it's a well done film. It's 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:21.760 worth the price, the price of admission just to see 1:48:21.760 --> 1:48:22.919 Meryl Streep's performance. 1:48:23.040 --> 1:48:24.400 Is like, no, it's so good. 1:48:24.720 --> 1:48:27.200 Yeah, how is it working with Meryl Street? 1:48:28.240 --> 1:48:31.360 So, to be completely honest, and I do like to 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:33.920 say that I worked with her, but really I worked 1:48:33.960 --> 1:48:36.920 in front of her. I didn't really have a lot 1:48:36.960 --> 1:48:39.760 of dialogue. I can't even remember if we have. 1:48:40.560 --> 1:48:43.400 In that movie of her like referencing you, like that's 1:48:43.560 --> 1:48:46.519 James Holt, like and then that you the camera pans 1:48:46.560 --> 1:48:50.280 and it's like you and it's like, oh, James Holt, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:52.360 I mean, I guess the biggest scene that I had 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:57.080 with Meryl was my character is presenting her with his 1:48:57.200 --> 1:49:00.920 new line, his new fashion line inspired by blah blah whatever. 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:05.880 And still I did have words to say to her. 1:49:05.960 --> 1:49:08.639 But then in the movie, it's all over its voiceover, 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:11.600 you can't hear what I'm actually saying. Right, you just 1:49:11.640 --> 1:49:14.559 see her purse her lips in dissatisfaction and turn her 1:49:14.560 --> 1:49:16.120 head to the left. 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:18.080 Soul crushing. 1:49:18.240 --> 1:49:21.080 Do you think James Hole deserved the pursed lips? 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:22.200 Was that dress? 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:22.559 Suddenly? 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:26.200 I actually thought that that dress. You know, I don't 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:29.200 know if I have great taste in fashion, but I 1:49:29.200 --> 1:49:32.360 thought it was pretty nice. But it just speaks to 1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:35.080 how high her character's standards were. 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:38.200 I think I don't know what your audition process was 1:49:38.240 --> 1:49:41.040 for Devilware's product, but were you like, like, you've played 1:49:41.080 --> 1:49:44.599 like a fireman, a navy guy, a CSU tech FBI agent, 1:49:44.640 --> 1:49:45.960 all these things, and then they're like, we want you 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:49.040 to play a fashion designer, an up and coming fashion designer. 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:51.320 Were you like, Okay, yeah. 1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:51.519 That's great. 1:49:51.560 --> 1:49:55.200 I mean, anytime you have the opportunity to establish range 1:49:55.439 --> 1:49:59.400 outside of the way you have been being cast. Not 1:49:59.520 --> 1:50:02.920 the firef not the cop. This is like something totally different. 1:50:03.280 --> 1:50:05.320 And I don't even think James Holt's character is in 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:05.759 the book. 1:50:06.240 --> 1:50:06.760 I think it was. 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:09.320 I think he was created for in the context of 1:50:09.360 --> 1:50:11.280 the film. I could be wrong about that, but I 1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:14.800 don't think he's in the actual book. No, I was 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:16.519 all over that, I was like, this is great. 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:20.840 Is there anything that you are working on now that 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:23.040 you're really excited about or and you would would like 1:50:23.080 --> 1:50:24.559 to share, well. 1:50:24.560 --> 1:50:28.160 Right now something that's airing that again in the spirit 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:31.160 of a character that nobody would expect me to be playing. 1:50:31.960 --> 1:50:35.040 On the Stars Network, there's a show called Power Book 1:50:35.080 --> 1:50:39.679 two Ghost. So the flagship show is just called Power 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:41.719 and I was a huge fan of that show. 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:43.280 Oh yeah Power, right yeah. 1:50:43.320 --> 1:50:48.240 Courtney Kemp is the executive producer alongside Curtis Jackson. 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:49.920 Fifty cent right, I was. 1:50:49.840 --> 1:50:51.559 Going to say, it's fifty cent show, right. 1:50:51.680 --> 1:50:52.400 Yeah, yeah. 1:50:52.439 --> 1:50:55.559 And so Power was on for six seasons. I watched 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:57.800 every episode of every season because I just. 1:50:57.760 --> 1:50:58.920 I really really liked it. 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:02.200 And then I got a call from Courtney Kemp and 1:51:02.280 --> 1:51:03.960 she just basically offered me this role. 1:51:04.280 --> 1:51:06.880 The character's name is Mecha Mecca. 1:51:07.680 --> 1:51:11.080 He's like a just like Where's like gorilla pimp, fur 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:14.960 coats and bald shaved head. And they dyed my beard 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.720 black and I was like working out like crazy trying 1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:20.320 to get like my idea of the character was he 1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:23.000 was like a big, physically imposing kind of like dude, 1:51:23.680 --> 1:51:26.720 and he's the heavy for the entire second season. He's 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:30.719 the bad guy wow and Mary J. Blige's love interest. 1:51:30.800 --> 1:51:34.320 So I got to act with Mary J. Blige, who yeah, 1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:37.040 for the whole season. So that's airing now. They're only 1:51:37.120 --> 1:51:41.320 like three or four episodes have aired, and so I'm 1:51:41.360 --> 1:51:42.120 excited about that. 1:51:42.200 --> 1:51:44.360 I have been watching that. I have been. 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:47.240 Watching that, yeah, because I was excited to play that 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:50.880 well Mary J. But the character, the character that I 1:51:50.960 --> 1:51:53.719 got to play was so unlike anything I've ever gotten 1:51:53.800 --> 1:51:56.360 to do before. And Courtney was like, how do you 1:51:56.360 --> 1:51:58.880 feel about rocking a bald head? I was like, yes, 1:51:59.360 --> 1:52:02.400 that's what I wanted it to be. The kind of 1:52:02.439 --> 1:52:05.320 thing where when my character is introduced, people tilt their 1:52:05.360 --> 1:52:07.559 heads and go and then it takes them a minute 1:52:07.600 --> 1:52:10.040 and they go, oh my god, that's Danielson John, Like 1:52:10.400 --> 1:52:12.559 you know what I mean, not unrecognizable, but that it 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:14.160 takes you a minute to figure out that it's me. 1:52:14.280 --> 1:52:16.000 Yeah, because like I think your hair is a little 1:52:16.000 --> 1:52:17.920 bit of part of your signature. Look like I think 1:52:17.960 --> 1:52:19.559 of you with your hair usually. 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:22.400 Sure, and I know it's short right now, but I 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:23.320 still have my hairline. 1:52:23.320 --> 1:52:25.760 Okay, And now I want you guys thinking, all right, Okay, 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:28.439 this is this is a choice. This is a choice. 1:52:29.960 --> 1:52:30.959 That was a great experience. 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:35.400 And right now I'm shooting a show called Echoes for Netflix. 1:52:35.479 --> 1:52:38.599 It's a Netflix limited series. The star of the show 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:43.120 is Michelle Monahan. After that it's Matt Boehmer, and then 1:52:43.160 --> 1:52:45.360 after Matt, it's me, is it like. 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:46.760 A murdery thing? What is it? 1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:47.280 What's yes? 1:52:47.479 --> 1:52:49.240 It's yeah, it's like it's like a it's like a 1:52:49.439 --> 1:52:51.240 there's a murder mystery aspect to it. 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:54.760 Michelle Monaghan plays twin sisters. 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:59.160 And uh and they're both married, and they both were 1:52:59.160 --> 1:53:02.080 in Virginia, but one sister and her husband moved to 1:53:02.200 --> 1:53:04.320 La Okay. And that's those are the scenes we're here 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:08.600 to shoot. We're almost done. The other couple stays in Virginia. 1:53:08.760 --> 1:53:13.760 The sisters almost annually switch places and they think that 1:53:13.800 --> 1:53:16.200 the husbands don't know there's a reason for that, but 1:53:16.240 --> 1:53:18.840 that would also again be a spoiler. And they will, 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:21.040 like when they're in transit, they will meet at a 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:24.400 certain location, examine each other. If there's been a new 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:26.679 scar or a new mark or whatever, they will match 1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:27.560 it exactly. 1:53:28.120 --> 1:53:28.360 You know. 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:31.719 One of them speaks with a you know, Virginia accent. 1:53:31.960 --> 1:53:34.880 The other is very la So the styles of the. 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:36.240 Two sisters are totally different. 1:53:36.720 --> 1:53:39.840 So one of the exciting turning points in the show, 1:53:39.880 --> 1:53:41.360 and I don't think this is really that much of 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:44.360 a spoiler, is that my character does know that they're switching. 1:53:44.720 --> 1:53:48.240 He and he has and he's a he's a psychiatrist. 1:53:48.840 --> 1:53:50.000 Are you one of the husbands? 1:53:50.400 --> 1:53:51.479 Yes, I'm one of the husbands. 1:53:51.560 --> 1:53:55.120 Yes, I'm the l a husband and so so he 1:53:55.240 --> 1:53:57.200 has known and he's always known that. 1:53:57.320 --> 1:53:59.280 And that's a little weird right there. 1:53:59.640 --> 1:54:02.360 Wait, this isn't true. I'm gonna I'm watching. But that's 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:04.519 what's so TV. It's like we have to wait like 1:54:04.520 --> 1:54:06.880 what a year and a half. It's like I want 1:54:06.920 --> 1:54:07.559 it so bad. 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:09.280 Yeah, you know. 1:54:09.280 --> 1:54:12.680 When it comes out, we're gonna get dive right in. 1:54:12.800 --> 1:54:14.200 That sounds right up my alley. 1:54:14.560 --> 1:54:17.200 I think that should That should probably be Echoes Netflix 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:19.240 limited series, only seven episodes and it. 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:22.040 Should come out later this year. I think that's it. 1:54:22.080 --> 1:54:22.760 That's all I got. 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:26.000 I wanted to add I'm from Skochie. I read that 1:54:26.040 --> 1:54:28.680 you're from Evanston, and so I got excited. 1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:32.600 So I guess you could say I was born in Evanston, 1:54:32.680 --> 1:54:34.560 but I was raised on the South Side of Chicago, 1:54:34.640 --> 1:54:36.640 but technically born in Evanston. 1:54:36.840 --> 1:54:41.120 I'm a White Sox fan, Okay, I'm a fan of 1:54:41.160 --> 1:54:42.000 all things Chicago. 1:54:42.320 --> 1:54:45.880 Yeah, I don't take science Cubs, White Sox, Bears, Hawks, whatever. 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:49.520 It's all good, Daniel, Is there anything else you want 1:54:49.520 --> 1:54:52.920 to like, like any last minute tidbits, your memories, bond 1:54:52.960 --> 1:54:54.680 memories from the show, or anything. 1:54:55.480 --> 1:54:59.920 Law and Order SVU did a tremendous amount to advance 1:55:00.400 --> 1:55:03.560 my standing and position as an up and coming actor, 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:07.959 the level of visibility that it afforded me, the income 1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:11.200 to continue to pursue my dream, pay my rent as 1:55:11.240 --> 1:55:15.839 an actor. It really was probably one of the biggest moments, 1:55:15.920 --> 1:55:17.840 if you want to call it, well, it's over the 1:55:17.880 --> 1:55:19.280 course of about two and a half years, one of 1:55:19.280 --> 1:55:22.360 the biggest moments in my development. So it did so 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:24.280 much for me and I always look back on those 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:27.440 memories fondly. And to all the Law and Order SVU 1:55:27.520 --> 1:55:29.600 fans out there, you should also keep in mind this 1:55:29.720 --> 1:55:32.160 show has done the exact same thing it did for me. 1:55:32.200 --> 1:55:34.680 It has done this for countless actors in New York. 1:55:35.160 --> 1:55:38.440 It is a to say it's an iconic shows and 1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:42.360 understatements you can't. I can't overesteem how important the franchise 1:55:42.400 --> 1:55:45.360 has been from a creative standpoint, because nobody's ever done 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:48.320 what Dick Wolf has done, but also just from the 1:55:48.360 --> 1:55:51.880 standpoint that I that I just enumerated, it's a great 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:52.320 place to. 1:55:52.280 --> 1:55:58.320 Be Daniel Sinjada, it's great. 1:55:58.320 --> 1:56:00.640 I can't wait to watch the show Echoes. I can't wait. 1:56:00.800 --> 1:56:04.520 It's like Twins Secrets, give us more Net. I like 1:56:04.640 --> 1:56:06.960 Got Actress too. I like Michelle Monthaum. 1:56:06.680 --> 1:56:08.440 Because a part of me wants to cancel Netflix with 1:56:08.480 --> 1:56:09.560 another price raise. 1:56:09.720 --> 1:56:10.920 But for Daniel. 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:14.520 Sunjata, I'm sticking with it, and for our careers, I 1:56:14.560 --> 1:56:16.680 guess we just have to be I fucking flecks all 1:56:16.720 --> 1:56:17.640 the time, all day. 1:56:17.520 --> 1:56:18.000 Every day. 1:56:18.280 --> 1:56:20.360 But I'm really glad you made us through that episode, Lisa, 1:56:20.400 --> 1:56:22.840 because I mean, you didn't make us, but you suggested it, 1:56:22.880 --> 1:56:24.680 and I just like you were like the bottle moment. 1:56:24.720 --> 1:56:26.320 The bottle moment, I was like, do I remember this? 1:56:26.400 --> 1:56:28.280 And then when I saw the episode, I was like, oh, yeah, 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:33.560 this episode is perfect twist and turns like so oh 1:56:33.600 --> 1:56:34.240 like crazy. 1:56:34.680 --> 1:56:36.320 Yeah, there's so many elements we love, you know. 1:56:36.360 --> 1:56:41.240 We love an expensive store moment, we love like a 1:56:41.280 --> 1:56:43.560 government worker being kind of shitty, like we. 1:56:43.520 --> 1:56:44.760 Just like all of these things. 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:47.280 I was speaking a government worker, a girl from my 1:56:47.360 --> 1:56:50.400 old college, from my Christian college. She was like, yeah, 1:56:50.440 --> 1:56:52.160 you never really went to class, and when you were there, 1:56:52.160 --> 1:56:53.320 you were pretty rude to everyone. 1:56:53.360 --> 1:56:54.560 And I was like, I don't remember this. 1:56:54.800 --> 1:57:00.000 But then memories came to life. 1:57:00.760 --> 1:57:03.200 What do we learn from this episode that we haven't 1:57:03.240 --> 1:57:04.440 learned a thousand times before? 1:57:04.960 --> 1:57:09.680 But on she works in foster care. Oh, my friend 1:57:09.680 --> 1:57:10.320 from college. 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:12.680 It's part of what we do here, and like, you know, 1:57:12.800 --> 1:57:15.560 looking for Patricia's records and everything. But she works at 1:57:15.600 --> 1:57:17.560 foster care and she checks foster care. 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:19.280 Parents if they're like doing a good job or not. 1:57:19.680 --> 1:57:20.680 And I was like, well, what are the. 1:57:20.640 --> 1:57:22.760 Signs that you look for when someone's not you know, 1:57:22.800 --> 1:57:25.200 you could just tell. She goes mostly lying, like if 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:26.760 you say you don't have guns, and then I open 1:57:26.800 --> 1:57:27.800 a door and there's guns. 1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:28.760 That's a problem, and. 1:57:28.800 --> 1:57:33.480 I go, oh, okay, and I think I could tell 1:57:33.480 --> 1:57:36.480 that was a problem. But we talked about the WHOOPI 1:57:36.520 --> 1:57:40.440 Goldberg episode and institution will fail and just like foster care, 1:57:40.480 --> 1:57:41.680 and it was really. 1:57:41.640 --> 1:57:44.400 Interesting to meet someone that does that. 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:46.640 Sorry, I don't mean to completely talk over Liza. 1:57:46.800 --> 1:57:49.440 But it's you know, I like meeting people that are 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:53.400 within the the things that we talk about because it 1:57:53.480 --> 1:57:55.280 means we're doing a good enough job for these people 1:57:55.280 --> 1:57:57.120 that are inside of it and talking about things that 1:57:57.200 --> 1:58:01.040 matter to them. So it makes me happy. But yes, please, 1:58:01.160 --> 1:58:04.400 what did we learn don't marry a man if you 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:09.760 have children, they'll rape your children. No, that's not the lesson. 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:13.040 Well, I mean you gotta look out for red flags. 1:58:13.040 --> 1:58:14.880 It's like when you were talking about that other podcast, 1:58:15.000 --> 1:58:17.720 like she just knew something was up, Like trust your intuition, 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:20.720 trust your gut, Like if you feel like your husband's 1:58:20.760 --> 1:58:23.720 doing something fucking weird, yeah, I guess, check all options. 1:58:24.080 --> 1:58:25.840 But this bitch didn't care. That's the thing. 1:58:26.640 --> 1:58:30.880 What the girl was like, my dad is the thing, 1:58:30.920 --> 1:58:33.120 and the mom killed her. You're saying, like, if you 1:58:33.160 --> 1:58:35.320 get a gut instinct that this man might be harassing. 1:58:35.400 --> 1:58:37.960 You're talking about the other podcast you were talking about 1:58:38.040 --> 1:58:39.760 when the woman thought that her husband was cheating and 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:42.360 it turned out he was taking the foot Yeah no, 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:44.720 I yeah, and so what. 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:48.040 Yeah, don't be brooked. We learned that don't be brooked. 1:58:47.760 --> 1:58:50.800 Don't like sacrifice your fucking teen daughter, so you can 1:58:50.840 --> 1:58:53.200 be rich and have two kids like with him. 1:58:53.680 --> 1:58:55.400 Yes, real life, real life, I forget. 1:58:55.480 --> 1:58:59.040 Yeah, yeah, I was talking about the real one. But 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:02.360 also I did not like Craigan in this episode trying 1:59:02.360 --> 1:59:04.720 a stone wall and make it act like just because 1:59:04.760 --> 1:59:07.120 you're in a robe and just because like, have we 1:59:07.200 --> 1:59:11.080 not learned Have we learned nothing from years of SVU 1:59:11.160 --> 1:59:14.240 and years of real cases in the media where robes 1:59:14.280 --> 1:59:18.360 and uniforms hide what people's bad acts are. 1:59:18.560 --> 1:59:18.800 Right? 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:22.720 Absolutely, I just didn't like that Daddy Craigs was giving 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:23.920 people preferential treatment. 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:26.240 But I think in the end he be objective bit 1:59:26.400 --> 1:59:27.280 stuck it to Walter. 1:59:28.080 --> 1:59:30.760 All right, let's wrap up this post mortem. Just a 1:59:30.800 --> 1:59:33.280 good episode, And I mean, I don't know what we 1:59:33.360 --> 1:59:36.160 learned from We learned that, like, if you grow up 1:59:36.240 --> 1:59:38.920 and your son is Woody Harrelson, you can literally just 1:59:39.000 --> 1:59:39.600 get away with. 1:59:39.640 --> 1:59:40.720 Murder five time. 1:59:40.840 --> 1:59:42.440 I mean I kind of got away with murder a 1:59:42.480 --> 1:59:43.120 lot of time. 1:59:43.240 --> 1:59:45.960 Also, you think being in the FBI or an informant 1:59:46.120 --> 1:59:48.960 or like a worker in the CIA or something is hard. 1:59:49.040 --> 1:59:51.760 But if this hillbilly could do it, what is stopping 1:59:51.760 --> 1:59:54.920 all of us from going undercover? The fact that the 1:59:55.040 --> 1:59:58.040 FBI has not reached out to me. Is such an insult? 1:59:58.800 --> 2:00:01.640 Let me help. Yeah, I'm willing would be. 2:00:01.760 --> 2:00:04.720 The most unexpected undercover operative, right. 2:00:04.800 --> 2:00:07.720 I mean, obviously I'm pissed you guys killed Martin, Luther King, 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:12.120 Huey pu In, Like, I'm mad you guys killed all 2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:14.880 the Black Panthers and stuff. But if I need to, 2:00:15.480 --> 2:00:20.680 I'll help bring down a terrorist as long as they're why, Like, 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:23.480 I'm not gonna help you, you know, cover it. 2:00:23.480 --> 2:00:28.600 If you guys have any any contacts within the CIA, FBI, NSA, 2:00:29.120 --> 2:00:32.360 just drop us a DM or you know, hit us 2:00:32.400 --> 2:00:37.000 up on the National Security Association. That's like, also very. 2:00:38.320 --> 2:00:45.280 Okay, But I won't do anything with Homeland, got it? 2:00:45.400 --> 2:00:46.320 She has demands. 2:00:46.560 --> 2:00:49.080 I yet watching salt Lake, and I do love the 2:00:49.160 --> 2:00:51.760 FBI thing. I just I'm in episode twelve right now. 2:00:51.640 --> 2:00:53.920 So you be part of that Homeland, You're like, if 2:00:53.920 --> 2:00:56.600 it involves a housewife, I will be involved. 2:00:57.480 --> 2:01:00.200 Yeah, but put me in a PA outfit. I'll the 2:01:00.240 --> 2:01:01.920 boom mic, I'll get the secrets. 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:04.760 Although the way that they treated her family was fucked up. 2:01:04.840 --> 2:01:06.960 They the way that they had guns on her teen sons. 2:01:07.080 --> 2:01:09.320 Yeah, but the videos didn't look like the guns were up, 2:01:09.320 --> 2:01:10.960 but the boys did have their hands up. 2:01:11.280 --> 2:01:14.280 Yeah, that seemed just like a way, like you're traumatizing 2:01:14.280 --> 2:01:17.080 these teen boys because their mom did like a fucking 2:01:17.400 --> 2:01:18.680 scam over the phone price. 2:01:18.760 --> 2:01:22.080 It's weird watching people delusional saying they're innocent when that's like, 2:01:22.280 --> 2:01:24.480 we know that you're guilty, but you're right. Have Like 2:01:24.560 --> 2:01:28.080 watching her cry about her children was very guttural and rare. 2:01:28.280 --> 2:01:32.200 Yeah, but it is wild that she's like acting like 2:01:32.320 --> 2:01:35.320 the FBI didn't do a year's long investigation on this. 2:01:35.560 --> 2:01:38.160 The FBI doesn't fuck around like that, and. 2:01:38.160 --> 2:01:40.200 The Southern District of New York has like a ninety 2:01:40.280 --> 2:01:41.520 nine percent conviction rate. 2:01:41.600 --> 2:01:44.520 Girl, you think that you're just like an accident. 2:01:44.280 --> 2:01:47.880 Like and everyone else in your company played guilty like 2:01:48.160 --> 2:01:49.680 girl girl. 2:01:50.000 --> 2:01:54.280 Girl, Girl Girl. Anyway, let's get into our what would 2:01:54.280 --> 2:01:56.680 Sister Peg do segment this week. This is our weekly 2:01:56.720 --> 2:01:59.360 segment where we give you guys an organization, a book, 2:01:59.360 --> 2:02:03.400 an article, some kind of resource to give you more 2:02:03.440 --> 2:02:05.960 info on what we talked about in today's episode. And 2:02:06.240 --> 2:02:10.440 we just were thinking about poor Patricia and everything she 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:12.520 went through. So we decided this week that we would 2:02:12.560 --> 2:02:16.360 direct you towards the American Academy of Child and Adolescents Psychiatries, 2:02:16.720 --> 2:02:19.800 Trauma and Child Abuse Resource Center. I know that's a mouthful, 2:02:19.840 --> 2:02:23.520 but it is the AACAP. So that is ww dot 2:02:23.560 --> 2:02:27.960 AACAP dot org. They are the leading national professional medical 2:02:28.000 --> 2:02:31.240 association dedicated to treating and improving the quality of life 2:02:31.240 --> 2:02:34.760 for children, adolescents, and families affected by mental, behavioral or 2:02:34.800 --> 2:02:38.839 developmental disorders. And they have an easy to navigate website 2:02:38.880 --> 2:02:40.880 that has a lot of resources to help educate family 2:02:40.920 --> 2:02:43.480 on the mental and emotional effects of child abuse and 2:02:43.520 --> 2:02:47.200 assist them in finding child and adolescent psychiatrists in their area, 2:02:47.240 --> 2:02:49.800 which sounds like an amazing resource. So if you want 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:53.720 more info, that's www dot AACAP dot org and as 2:02:53.760 --> 2:02:58.600 always will be in the WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page. 2:02:59.120 --> 2:03:01.440 And I also just wanted on a little bit of 2:03:01.440 --> 2:03:03.720 a personal note to mention that I had a friend, 2:03:04.160 --> 2:03:06.680 a long time friend of twenty plus years, who passed 2:03:06.720 --> 2:03:11.560 away this weekend after a battle with cancer. And she 2:03:11.760 --> 2:03:16.960 has an amazing Instagram that she was running, She was 2:03:16.960 --> 2:03:19.040 doing speaking engagement, she was doing all kinds of things 2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:22.760 before she passed called No Time to Waste project. She interviewed. 2:03:22.800 --> 2:03:26.560 She had a podcast. She interviewed Katie Couric, Matthew McConaughey, 2:03:26.640 --> 2:03:29.080 Chelsea Handler. She got great people on her podcast and 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:33.440 also lesser known people who have amazing stories about their 2:03:33.560 --> 2:03:35.480 either survival or their or their. 2:03:35.680 --> 2:03:36.520 Living with cancer. 2:03:36.640 --> 2:03:39.880 So that is a thing I wanted to just direct 2:03:39.880 --> 2:03:41.200 you guys to the No Time to Waste project. 2:03:41.240 --> 2:03:42.840 I'm going to post that in our stories as well. 2:03:43.200 --> 2:03:48.000 And she also was asking people to donate to First Dissents, 2:03:48.120 --> 2:03:53.960 which is First Underscored d s ce NTS, which is 2:03:54.000 --> 2:03:56.800 a nonprofit dedicated to helping those with life threatening illness 2:03:56.840 --> 2:04:00.160 continue to thrive through the power of outdoor adventure. You 2:04:00.200 --> 2:04:03.680 are feeling generous, I'm going to donate to that in 2:04:03.720 --> 2:04:06.720 the name of my friend, and I hope you do too. 2:04:08.080 --> 2:04:11.320 Thank you, Kara. We're really well sorry to hear that. 2:04:11.560 --> 2:04:14.920 And I hope you guys are able to give this 2:04:14.960 --> 2:04:17.400 week because a lot of you wrote and said that 2:04:17.440 --> 2:04:18.920 you do listen all the way to the end of 2:04:18.960 --> 2:04:20.840 the podcast because you're obsessed with us. 2:04:20.960 --> 2:04:22.760 So thank you so much. 2:04:23.560 --> 2:04:25.760 And I'm going to switch it over to what we're 2:04:25.840 --> 2:04:28.480 going to be doing next week in an awkward transition, 2:04:29.080 --> 2:04:32.960 but we will be watching street Wise. Feel but we've 2:04:32.960 --> 2:04:35.040 been waiting for this one for a really long time. 2:04:35.120 --> 2:04:37.680 I think street Wise has been on your requests in 2:04:37.720 --> 2:04:41.120 our hearts for a really long time. Season nine, episode eleven, 2:04:41.320 --> 2:04:43.120 Watch where you watch your SVUS. 2:04:43.280 --> 2:04:45.400 I refuse to tell you where. 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:47.280 But you know we doret somebody write in and say 2:04:47.280 --> 2:04:48.760 that they're sad that you won't do it because they 2:04:49.000 --> 2:04:50.760 like they like the way you say peacock. 2:04:51.840 --> 2:04:53.760 Okay, I mean if someone wants to get turned on, 2:04:53.960 --> 2:04:59.320 I will not say no. Okay if you well, now 2:04:59.400 --> 2:05:04.440 I'm shy. Plus listen Hulu. I can't next week. It's 2:05:04.440 --> 2:05:10.120 a teaser next week when I'm not nervous. 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