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Speaker 1: Podcast playground.

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Speaker 2: Taking a Walk with buzs Night, We'll Pequin Hollis, singer,

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Speaker 2: songwriter guitarist jump started his career without a record label's help.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 3: I'm Buzz Night and we are at a familiar spot

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Speaker 3: for Taking a Walk episodes, the historic North Bridge, and

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Speaker 3: my guest today is Will Pequin, a talented young musician

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Speaker 3: who was forging his own independent path.

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Speaker 1: Will welcome to Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 4: Hello there, good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the North taking a walk.

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Speaker 4: It's there to stay out.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful day here, beautiful. So how have you foregone the

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Speaker 1: labels in your path?

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Speaker 3: I find that story which Rolling Stone picked up on,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure some others within the industry.

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Speaker 1: How have you picked that path? And why?

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Speaker 5: Well, I originally was not supposed to. I was actually

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Speaker 5: about to sign to a label. Basically, I just kind

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Speaker 5: of had a your run of the mill viral moment.

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Speaker 4: As they'd call it.

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Speaker 5: And you know, there's a lot of pressure on me

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Speaker 5: to put a song out, and which, by the way,

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Speaker 5: I've never before then, I'd never written a song before,

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Speaker 5: So I'm you call me a singer songwriter, but it's

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Speaker 5: kind of funny because I'm very much new to this

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Speaker 5: whole thing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 4: This was in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: I was just recording my music and all the while,

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Speaker 5: you know, labels were hitting me up left and right

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Speaker 5: to a nauseating amount. It was very stressful at the time.

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Speaker 1: They were pestering.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely it was. It was pretty overwhelming

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Speaker 5: because you know, I was in school. I you know,

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Speaker 5: I had an internship. I was, what was I junior

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Speaker 1: So I was.

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Speaker 4: Just just working.

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Speaker 5: I had no plans on being a musician at all,

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Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, the music industry is interested.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I was talking to a bunch of

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Speaker 4: an ars and they're.

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Speaker 5: All very nice and very good at you know, speaking

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Speaker 5: about their label in a very good way. And I

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Speaker 5: was interested in it for a while and I was

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Speaker 5: planning on signing, but very last minute, actually, the morning

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Speaker 5: of when I was supposed to sign, I said no thanks,

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Speaker 5: and I just went independent because it was more of

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Speaker 5: like a gut reaction.

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Speaker 1: And was this when your viral moment had already happened or.

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Speaker 4: So, no, this was before I had even released song.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but something told you it was the wrong thing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just it just didn't seem like the right thing

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Speaker 5: because I'd always heard people saying how they screwed people

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Speaker 5: over and whatnot, and I honestly like didn't really believe it.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's just a bunch of bologney,

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Speaker 5: and I'm sure they're actually.

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Speaker 1: Not that bad.

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Speaker 4: But I kept telling myself that at least, and it just.

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Speaker 5: There's just something in the back of my mind saying

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Speaker 5: I really shouldn't do this because I'd never released a

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Speaker 5: few months after that. So I thought I'd just released

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Speaker 5: this song independently. I just thought it was the right

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of a whirl, and I

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Speaker 4: honestly don't even remember much of it, that's right. I

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Speaker 6: Well, because once again, like you said, you were you

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Speaker 6: were studying and you were trying to get through that,

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Speaker 6: which is stressful enough and is it fair to say what.

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Speaker 3: You were doing musically was just having fun and just

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Speaker 3: it was fulfilling a passion part of your life, not

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Speaker 1: A course in your career or anything.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was studying to be a statistical advertising guy,

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Speaker 4: I was just planning on doing that.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it was more just having fun. During COVID,

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Speaker 5: I was just playing my guitar and putting stuff online

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Speaker 1: Out of nowhere and which saw it was a chandelier.

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Speaker 3: So why was the first moment that you actually looked

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Speaker 3: and went fully smokes, this thing really maybe has something?

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Speaker 5: I started out with the guitar part, and when I

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Speaker 4: Wrote the part, I was like, oh wow, that's cool.

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Speaker 5: So I made a video for it on TikTok the

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Speaker 1: Views and it was like three or three million.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, it was like it was like a million

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Speaker 5: yeah or something like that, whoa, this is me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was unreal and I couldn't really believe. I

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Speaker 5: That that like the genre of music's kind of like

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Speaker 3: And then at that point when that happened, did the

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so I hadn't I wasn't even known by

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that day like I got like three

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Speaker 5: I was on the phone like four hours a day

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Speaker 5: and yeah, it was it was pretty crazy, and it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably stressed you out too.

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Speaker 4: Definitely stressed me out.

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Speaker 3: So, but your perception still of labels during that period

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Speaker 5: I always respected independent artists my whole life, and most

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Speaker 4: Well, at least they were back then. I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just always thought it would it was better

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Speaker 5: to do it yourself. That's kind of the mantra I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go independent.

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Speaker 3: So if someone's never heard you, describe them to you

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Speaker 5: Oh, okay, I don't even really know.

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Speaker 4: Everyone always asked me this. I don't even know how to.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's very guitar heavy because I'm really first and

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Speaker 5: guess you'd call it like some alternative I guess indie.

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Speaker 4: And listen to a lot of rock music.

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Speaker 1: I mean isn't that something that is a good thing.

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Speaker 5: the song itself. It was more just like, I need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just happened, it came out.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny because I listen back and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Now you look at you think about it differently now.

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Speaker 4: Oh of course.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was at the time, it was really

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Speaker 5: just the best I could do. Yeah, and my capacity

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Speaker 5: was pretty because I just never it was my first time,

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Speaker 4: But well that's natural.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's a good part of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think when I listened to your music, the

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Speaker 3: Is I could see and feel like many different influences

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Speaker 1: So it feels like it's for multiple.

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Speaker 5: At the time, so over COVID, I was like learning

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Speaker 5: So I was doing a lot of fingerpicking, listen to

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Speaker 4: Those are like the three that I was listening to.

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Speaker 5: At the time, and that's a lot of where the

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Speaker 5: I was listening to a lot of towns van zandt

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Speaker 4: So a lot of my lyric.

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Speaker 5: I was pretty much just trying to write a townsman's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I listened to a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Like instrumental music, so I wasn't really focused on writing lyrics,

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Speaker 5: so I looked to Towns to inspire me on that.

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Speaker 3: What an inspiring figure. My favorite of Towns is a

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Speaker 4: Huh oh, Yeah, that's a good song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what a what a unique figure, but what

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Speaker 3: a tremendous figure as well, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's like pretty much my hero. I think

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Speaker 5: he's just the coolest dude. Yep, he's really really cool.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, listening to that, Honestly, I could probably even

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Speaker 3: But a lot of what I hear are are certainly,

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Speaker 3: you know, jazz influences within guitar players as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I listen, I do listen to a

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Speaker 5: I was like a jazz guitarist before, before COVID even

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Speaker 3: Some would use the athletic analogy that if you're just

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to ask you.

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Speaker 3: Why is music such a special part of our lives?

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Speaker 1: Like? What about it? I mean, obviously it goes back

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Speaker 4: And that's that's really why I love music and listen

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Speaker 3: It is transporting, right, you know, and it does everything,

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Speaker 4: Down and very like somber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same way. I Mean, there are times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it is very important too. It's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when you're listening to something, you kind of go,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen to me talking as if I'm a musician.

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Speaker 5: Well anyway, Well, it's just universal, like anyone anyone can

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to be a musician. That's

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Speaker 5: Take you pitvot in a different direction than I think

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Speaker 4: It's fun in its own way.

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Speaker 5: No I don't even have enough songs to play for

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Speaker 5: You know, not overthink things and just get something together

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Speaker 5: Just all right, got to get something, get something different.

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Speaker 1: Are you working with a manager.

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Speaker 4: I'm a manager.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 4: It's going well, and that's kind of new.

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Speaker 5: I went two years without one pretty much, and it's

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Speaker 5: pretty tough doing everything yourself. It's doable, but it is

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Speaker 5: it's pretty exhausting. So yeah, I've got a manager on

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Speaker 5: board now, got a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: And that's pretty much the extent of my team.

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Speaker 3: I'm amazed that I was able to get through your

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Speaker 3: publicity people to be able to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my publicist and right, my four managers.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I had an elbow way through will Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody's listening to this who was aspiring.

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Speaker 8: Wanting to grow an independent path musically or in any

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Speaker 8: way field, what advice would you give them.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a good question.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm asking myself the same thing every day.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like, I mean, this might come off

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's really true. I was told in

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Speaker 5: Actually last week, we were kind of talking about this,

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Speaker 5: and I was saying, how for the first few years

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Speaker 5: wasn't happy about, but I was doing it because I thought,

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Speaker 5: you know, people would like it, and you know, there's

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Speaker 5: benefits to that. But it's not long term because I

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Speaker 5: feel like if you're doing something that you don't want

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Speaker 5: to do musically, you will eventually burn out and.

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Speaker 4: You just can't keep that going for super long.

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Speaker 5: So I feel like my advice is just making something

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Speaker 5: that you truly are happy with and it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 5: you know, what anyone else thinks. As long as you're

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Speaker 5: happy with it, that's the most in terms of longevity.

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Speaker 4: That's just the best.

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Speaker 5: Way to stay in this and not lose your mind,

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Speaker 5: because there's nothing worse than playing songs that you're not

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Speaker 5: happy with to an audience. You know, I think it's

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Speaker 5: best that you're because the audience can tell. I feel

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Speaker 5: like the audience can tell when you're playing something that

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Speaker 5: you like versus playing something that you don't like. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: just stay true to your vision, and you know, don't

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Speaker 5: worry about it too much, don't worry about standing out

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Speaker 5: or you know, being unique. Just kind of do whatever,

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Speaker 5: do what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: We'll pequin thanks for taking a walk and enjoy the

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Speaker 3: ride and continued success and.

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Speaker 1: Enjoying the creative process.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. Thanks for walking with me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.