1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: We are to Breakfast Club. Lona Rosa is hanging out 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: with us this morning. Yes, indeed, and we got a 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: special guest in the building. Yes we have Nicole Avon. Welcome, 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: thancome to thank you. 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: It's good to be bad. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: How are you feeling? 8 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Great? New book, new book, new. 9 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: New film, new forward, new forward. 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Everything's new. Thank god, it's a It's so yeah. 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 4: The paperback version I Think You'll Be Happy is now 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 4: out and my husband Ted Sarandos wrote the forward and 13 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 4: it is a beautiful addition to the book, and it 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 4: became a best seller again and I'm just so happy 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: because the legacy continues. 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: And but it's. 17 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: Through Ted's lens, which was great because Ted was with 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: my father with the Black oul Father when he crossed 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 4: over to the other side, and it was really ted 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: like I had left the room and said to Ted, 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: we're going to switch places now. And the crazy thing 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: is is the six Triple eight was the last moment 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: I had with my father. Tyler Perry had just sent 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: me one of the last, you know, cuts of the 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 4: film and he said, Okay, take some notes, we're ready 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: to lock and my father was in the other room, 27 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: and I thought, I was no, I don't want to 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 4: bother him, and I could just feel Holy Spirit saying, 29 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 4: what do. 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: You mean bother him? 31 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: Go sit with him? So I said, Daddy, here's the 32 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 4: movie that you told me to finish. 33 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 2: Here's the movie. 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: And he's laying there and he gets all the way 35 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 4: to the end and the song The Journey is playing, 36 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 4: and Diane Warren wrote the song. Her sings the song beautifully. 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: It just got nominated, by the way for an Oscar. 38 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: And I was able to look at my father after 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: everything's done, of course crying, and I went over to him, and. 40 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: That's when I said my goodbye. Wow. 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, Daddy, You've had the 42 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 4: best journey. You've journeyed here for ninety two and a 43 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: half years. You've done so much for your people, You've 44 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 4: done so much for America, You've done so much for 45 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: the world. 46 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: You can go be a piece now. You you what 47 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: a journey? What a journey? 48 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: With any response or anything, he just he. 49 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: Did he he he. 50 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 4: Get he opened his eyes and there was a slight smile, 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: but I saw the peace come over him. Because I 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: kept saying, Daddy, don't hang out for me. I know 53 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: you wanted Everything's done. The book is done, the film 54 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: was done. Remember, because he had said to me after 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 4: my mom died, after she was killed, I didn't want 56 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: to finish anything. 57 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: Why would you? 58 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: So I'm thinking I'm done, and my father every day, 59 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: you're going to finish that book, You're going to finish 60 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: this movie. 61 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: Life goes on. You have to. 62 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: Of course you need to grieve. Of course you're going 63 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 4: to be sad. But you can't give your power away. 64 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: You can't give your light away. 65 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: You can't. 66 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 4: This darkness came into our life. You can't be consumed 67 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: by the darkness. You better take this light and figure 68 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 4: this shit. 69 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: Out and be an avant. And this is what we do. 70 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: He's like, you know how hard my life was. You 71 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: know what I went through. 72 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: I was picking cotton at five, I was picking tobacco 73 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: at five. I was doing this. I was bounced around. 74 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: I was so it was and he said, he goes, 75 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: and you owe us that. You kind of owe us 76 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: your life. You can't let your life force go. So 77 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 4: all that to say, it took three years for me 78 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 4: to be sitting here now in a much different, more peaceful, 79 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: absolutely position of healing. You know, grief never goes away, 80 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: but it does get lighter as you go because you 81 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: learn how to manage it. Last time I was here, 82 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: you know, right, you know, right after the hardcover came out, 83 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: I was still in a state of shock and sadness. 84 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: No much, however much I was trying to hide it, 85 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: I was still shaking inside. 86 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: That's right. Why did you leave the room, Like, why 87 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: did you into twitch places? 88 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: Because I said, I could tell my father didn't want 89 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: to leave in front of you know, well, first of all, 90 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: I heard I don't know if you guys have experienced, 91 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: but it's called the death rattle where you hear it 92 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: sounds like someone's choking. 93 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: It's it's not you know, it's it's scary. It's that 94 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: rattle where the body is actually shutting down. And so he's. 95 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: Trying to breathe and I and it's just so painful. 96 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: So I knew, and I could tell though that he's 97 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: trying to hang on. And I was like, daddy, Daddy, 98 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 4: you can go. I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna be okay. 99 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: So I said, let me, let me, I'm gonna go 100 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: get a glass of water. And then I went out 101 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: and looked at Ted. I said, you know what, maybe 102 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 4: you should go in now and say your gabyes and 103 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 4: then we'll do it together. 104 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: And then the next thing. 105 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: And then I just knew once Ted went in, he 106 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: was gonna be different, and he was. Ted played music 107 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: Ted all of a sudden, I said, all of a sudden, 108 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: it all my I was the little Catholic boy again 109 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: in school. And he goes and I started saying my 110 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: prairies because I hadn't said them in years. But they 111 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: listened to Duke Ellington, Quincy Jones, Frank Sinatra, everybody. They 112 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 4: just he played. He sent Clarence out, held his hand 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: and they had their beautiful moment. 114 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: You know. They were very very close. 115 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: And my father and Ted's dad didn't understand really what 116 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: Ted did for a living. 117 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: He grasped it, but he didn't really. But my father 118 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, you're what at Netflix? 119 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: And what is Netflix gonna do? And he's my father 120 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: has watched Ted from fifteen years. When I came into 121 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: Ted's life skyrocket and become CEO, my dad was there 122 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: during the whole rise, you know, so it was he 123 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 4: got this promotion. Then he got another promotion and Clarence 124 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: would sit with him and then I'd watch him do 125 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: his numbers thing and write on the paper, you got 126 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: to ask for this, you gotta do this. 127 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: Where do you want to see yourself in five years? 128 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: Who are you hiring? What are you doing? You know? 129 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: Are you going around the world. It was so great 130 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: for Ted. 131 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: Ted he had the ultimate chicole. You could tap Clarence 132 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 5: Avon anytime you want for advice, right, yeah. 133 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 6: I don't understand, so you call it Clarence avan that's yeah. 134 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: And you know Ted would say, which you got to 135 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: get him all next time? He's like, how come I'm 136 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 4: not at. 137 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: The breakfast cut with you? 138 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: Said right now, We're going to have it next time. 139 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 4: But you know it's a funny you said that. It's 140 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 4: because Ted said when he was dating me, he went 141 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 4: to lunch with my father. He said, everybody kept coming 142 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: to the. 143 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: Table, and I'm thinking, well, who is this? What is 144 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: going on? 145 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: It goes everybody kept coming to kidster Gooz. I knew 146 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: of him, he said, but I did not understand the 147 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: impact of him, he said. And I had black people, 148 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 4: white people, men and women saying he changed the course 149 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 4: of my life. He changed the direction of my life. 150 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 4: He opened this door, he closed this door, he made 151 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: sure the contract was right. I mean, it was all 152 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 4: of a sudden, Ted's thinking, this man was one of 153 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: the architects of the entire entertainment business. Absolutely, and I 154 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: don't know his name, and my friends don't know his name, 155 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: and I'm pissed. So Ted went out and was telling 156 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: everybody he said, that's why we got to make. 157 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: The Black Odfather. 158 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, because when I watched that and I 159 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 6: heard about the story, I figured you might have push 160 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 6: forward more because it's your family's legacy. But your husband 161 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 6: happens to be at Netflix, so you have that right. 162 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 6: I mean, Notenli, you know what I mean. 163 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: You can pick up that. 164 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 6: Phone and call him, so you're like, oh, let's make 165 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 6: this work. But hearing that he in real time was 166 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 6: like people need to experience and. 167 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: Really, Reggie Hudler and I had been working on The 168 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: Black op Father for so long, or at least talking 169 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: about it, and it was great because David Geffen a 170 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: long time ago, my dad kept saying, I'm just going 171 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: to write a book. 172 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to be in a movie. I'm going 173 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: to write a book. And David Geffen's like, no, one's 174 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: going to believe that he was right. 175 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: I said, Daddy, if we put this in words, who's 176 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: we're going to talk about all these experiences and all 177 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: the things that you did. People need to hear Bill 178 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: Withers say it. People need to hear Hank Aaron tell 179 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: the story. People need to hear Bill Clinton tell this. 180 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: Otherwise everyone's gonna say, oh, yeah, that really happened. 181 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: Okay. So it was so great that everyone came together. 182 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: And then Ted every time I'd come home and I'd 183 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: have my little check, It's like, you got that person 184 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: for the dog is said yeah, this person said yes, yes, 185 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: Clive Davis is coming on. 186 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Yes. 187 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: Ted's like, oh, no, we're doing this. We have to 188 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: cement this legacy. And Ted knew that. That's the way 189 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: my parents raised me. They raised me. 190 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: They gave me black history mostly through music and film. 191 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 6: Wow. 192 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: You know, there was a lot of stuff in the house, 193 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: of course, the art and things, but my parents would 194 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: have me watch you know, a lot of whether it 195 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: was Lili's and the you know, to start with love 196 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: or lilies in the field or guess who's coming to 197 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: dinner all Sydney plate first, you know, and then go 198 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 4: to the Dutchman in all these films, and even. 199 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: Birth of a Nation, which is horrific to watch, but 200 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: you need to watch it. You need to learn so 201 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: that you could. 202 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: Say that shit was really happening, and thank god it's 203 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 4: not now, do you know what I mean? It's there 204 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: was so much It was easier for me to digest 205 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: history through entertainment, which is why we were able to 206 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: tell so many stories in The Black Godfather that I 207 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: don't think would have resonated with people if it was 208 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 4: on separately. 209 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: Right now, that a little bit of what Tedd said, Yeah, 210 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: in the Ford he said. 211 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 5: And Nicole's father, my father in law, Clarence Avont, the 212 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 5: Black Godfather, came directly from the hospital. 213 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: To live with us. 214 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 5: The next few years were like a gift from the universe, 215 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 5: cosmic payback for the pain of the few weeks in 216 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one that changed all our lives. Clarence was 217 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: a role model in business and in life. Every meal 218 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: together was a masterclass cheating. He didn't say that. 219 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: I said that. 220 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 5: I had spent time with him over the years, heard 221 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 5: the stories, witnessed the reverence the world had for Clarence, 222 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 5: and met the folks whose lives were impacted by him, 223 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 5: Bill Wizs, Hank Aaron, Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, 224 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 5: Andrew Young, and countless executives whom he created opportunities for 225 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: and shepherded, and his remarkable life and career. He was 226 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 5: a man who demanded fairness and justice in the world 227 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 5: that was often short on both. He loved music and 228 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: history and made both, spending time together in the last 229 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: years of his life. Field avoid for me that the 230 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: loss of my own father had created. 231 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: Wow. 232 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 5: I hadn't been in town when my father departed, but 233 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 5: I was in the room when Clarence did. 234 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, wow. I know I'm already getting like, well, 235 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: how are you doing. Yeah, I'm good. 236 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: I miss him a lot, but I'm really I feel 237 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: very blessed to have had a soul like that. I mean, 238 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 4: Clarence to me was one of the most powerful souls 239 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: I've ever met. I've never met anybody like that, I 240 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:36,359 Speaker 4: really haven't. And to know that, I to just feel 241 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: every single day I feel his presence, and just the 242 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: knowing of this soul raised me, and this soul gave 243 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: me a toolbox, and he that's the best gift he 244 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: gave me, which was, here's a toolbox. All this shit's 245 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: gonna happen in life. Grab this tool for this, Grab 246 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: this tool for this. The resentment comes, drop it, this comes, 247 00:10:59,280 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? 248 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: He was able to. He was just such a master 249 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: of how life works. 250 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 4: And he was so big on you know, his big 251 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: saying was you come with a number and you end 252 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: with the number, and in between that is your dash. 253 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: What the f are you going to do with your dash? 254 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: It's yours and your choices and your decisions are going 255 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: to determine your life period. Because he said, you've already 256 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 4: seen it. 257 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: It's like Tyler Perry just posted I can't repost you 258 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: because I thought it was so good. We have the blueprint. 259 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: We have the blueprint. 260 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: We have seen everybody, especially in the Black race, who 261 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: has shown us what they did, how they had to 262 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: go through it, how they overcame things, how they thought 263 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 4: about things, how they strategized. 264 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: You have a blueprint, but we have to use the 265 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: blueprint not just be you know, be fueled by it. 266 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 4: And I just the times that I you know, my 267 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: dad always reminded me you know, again, everybody is going 268 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: to leave this earth, Nicole, every that's the one thing 269 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: we all have in common. 270 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: Nobody gets to pass. 271 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: So do as much as you can with your life 272 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 4: and experience as many things and as many people as possible, 273 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: and try to do good and make a different wherever 274 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 4: you are and whatever you do in life, because everybody 275 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: is important. 276 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 6: So when you talk about your father passing, there's a 277 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 6: there's a sense of peace, and you know, you guys 278 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 6: got to spend the time. Your mom's situation was a 279 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 6: lot different, and in this book you talk a lot 280 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 6: about that night when everything happened with your mom. When 281 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 6: did you get to a point even where you weren't 282 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 6: angry about what happened with your moms? 283 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: I would say. 284 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: There was probably it's probably about six months in fairness there. 285 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 4: I remember the fourth I remember it was April. It 286 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: was right before Easter, and I had one huge outburst 287 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 4: again with one of my father's best friends out him 288 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: and I called him. 289 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 2: And I was furious. 290 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 4: I was still screaming, crying, trying to fire things out, 291 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: and everybody was great, law enforcement was great. Everybody was 292 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 4: we're gonna help you, We've got this. But every day, 293 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: I kept forgiving, forgiving, forgiving for myself, not for the person. 294 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: Didn't condone the behavior, don't condone violence. I don't condone 295 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: any of that. But I knew I hate what happened 296 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 4: so much that I knew if I got stuck in 297 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 4: that hate or stayed in that hate, then I was 298 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: not going to be able to finish Think you'll be happy. 299 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: I was not going to be able to make the 300 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 4: six triple A. I wasn't even gonna be able to 301 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 4: be a good human being because I was going to 302 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: be a bitter human being. That's what I thought. The 303 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 4: demon of the bitterness was gonna kill me. It felt 304 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: like it was strangling me, and I was. 305 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no. 306 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: So I just went through the grief, and the grief 307 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 4: you kind of have to carry it with you. He 308 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: doesn't go anywhere, so you carry it with you and 309 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: then you learn how to manage it, and it does 310 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 4: get lighter and lighter. But it gets lighter because I 311 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: chose to let go. Every day I had to ask 312 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: God for grace, ask God for wisdom and guidance, and 313 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 4: then say I cast these burdens. 314 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to cast the burden of anger. I cast 315 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: the burden. 316 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 4: Of resentment and bitterness just so I can move forward, 317 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 4: not to condone the behavior, but just so. 318 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: I want to move forward in my life. I want 319 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: to live my life. 320 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: I was going to ask about the movie. 321 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: I know we talked about it and breezed over it 322 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: a little bit, but let's get into the movie a 323 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: little bit as well, because that's all on streaming on Netflix, 324 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: the sixth Triple Eight. So break down the movie, and 325 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean people are seeing it on Netflix. 326 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it well. 327 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: I think it's been number two on Netflix globally, which 328 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: is huge for this type of filming, in all black 329 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: casts female World War two movie. It was great, Thank you. 330 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: I learned a lot, and that's why I wanted to 331 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: tell the story. So the story came to me. It 332 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: was my fellow producer, Carrie Seelig. She's she sent me 333 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: a sizzle reel and she said, listen, I know that 334 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: you've probably heard of the six Triple Eight, but you 335 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: know I don't know if you know the whole story, 336 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: which I didn't. I you, I heard of Major Charity Adams. 337 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: I did not know about the battalion. I just didn't. 338 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: And I went to my mom. 339 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: I said, how can you eve time you told me 340 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: about Charity Adams And she said, I told you about them, 341 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: you're not remembering. But you must tell this story, Nicole. 342 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: This is such an important part of American history. And 343 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: so the story basically, there's all these black women. They're 344 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: you know, a part of the US Army, and there's 345 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 4: seventeen pieces seventeen million pieces of mail that have not 346 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: been delivered to the troops and no one can do it. 347 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: Men had tried to do it. Everyone kept trying to 348 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: do it. They couldn't get the seventeen pieces of mail. 349 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: So they decided, you know, winking, I will give to 350 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: these black girls. Let's see if they could do it. 351 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: We'll give them six months. Of course, they did it 352 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 4: in three. But everyone's thinking, you know, Tyler, all of 353 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: us were thinking, Carrie, how are we going to tell 354 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: this story about the male But it's not about mail. 355 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: This story is about humanity. The story is about winning 356 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: the war. This story is about connection, and this story 357 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: is about resilience and being excellent. That's what I love 358 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: about these women. This battalion decided to be excellent, and 359 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 4: they were excellent even when things were unfair, unkind, not 360 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: just not right. They didn't wait for things to be perfect, 361 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: to be excellent and to show up strong. 362 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: And they were patriots and you know, in a. 363 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: Country that really wasn't giving them their flowers or giving 364 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: them anything, and they still chose to show up and 365 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: rise up on eyeside. Wait a minute, this story is 366 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 4: a great part of American history. 367 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: It's a great part. 368 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: Of World War II history that none of us really knew, 369 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: and it's great for black women. And I wanted to 370 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: celebrate these black women. And we had missus King, who 371 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: passed away right. 372 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: Before we put out the film. 373 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: But Tyler, being Tyler, made sure he got the film 374 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: to her and he watched it with her, and she 375 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 4: was able to say thank you, wow, and she was 376 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: able to leave this earth knowing that the world was 377 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: going to know their story. 378 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: One of the eight members, did Ebony get any time 379 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: with her? 380 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, did Ebony get any time with Miss King? 381 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 5: Yes? 382 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: And well, all of us for sure did a zoom 383 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: with her in the very beginning so she could thank 384 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 4: us and we could ask her questions and so and 385 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: I'm I'm not sure if Ebanie went to go visit 386 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: her physically but I know they spoke and connected and yeah, 387 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 4: there's I think there's two more, maybe two more surviving members. 388 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just incredible. 389 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: I loved the story and full circle moment is my mom, 390 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: like I just said, she said, go take do this film. 391 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 4: That was three weeks before she died. And then my 392 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: father it's the last thing I showed him. So for me, 393 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 4: this film is extra special because it's a full circle 394 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 4: moment with my parents, you know, and just started with 395 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 4: my mom saying, please go do this movie. And it 396 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 4: ended with my dad and you could tell that he 397 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 4: was just so happy she did it and put this 398 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 4: story out and this is what this is what I 399 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: always wanted you to do. 400 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: I think the city And who's an actress. 401 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: In the movie, so people, yes, you played Lena King. Yeah, 402 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: her name is Lina, Lina King. 403 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Yes, Derek Cott, Yeah, yeah, Lena Derekcott. Yeah, I was. 404 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 5: I think this movie is so important because man, when 405 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 5: you look at what this administration is doing, and you 406 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 5: look at what you know, people are doing all across 407 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 5: the country in regards to just trying to erase our history. 408 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: This might be the only way these stories get told. 409 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 5: You know. 410 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 4: It's interesting you say that because I think art and 411 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 4: film and TV, all of it. 412 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: I think it's the best. 413 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: Way to keep our history alive, or all history alive, 414 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: any history alive. Is that's why there's so many movies. 415 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 4: I would say about World War two and every other 416 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 4: war is it's very important to tell the stories in 417 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: the very creative way. And that's the one medium that 418 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: usually brings more people together than not. And that's why 419 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 4: these stories have to we have to continue to talk 420 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 4: about all them. 421 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm happy that you know. 422 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 4: I always knew the Tuskegee Airmen, and that's why I 423 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: was so pissed that I didn't know the six Triple eight. 424 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 4: And not taking anything away from the Tuskegee Airmen, but 425 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, well wait a minute, these black women will 426 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 4: win the war too, in a different way. But if 427 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 4: you have, it's like exactly what Missus King said. If 428 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: you have, I mean Charity Adams, if you have, if 429 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 4: you have low, if you have no mail, there's low morale. 430 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: And if you have no morale, you're not a winner. 431 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: You can't win, you. 432 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Can't fight, you're. 433 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 4: Fighting for nothing. You need to know that you have, 434 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: your wife is home waiting for you. Your husband, your father, 435 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: your mother, your children. You need human connection. There is 436 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: no email, no WiFi, no Facebook, no nothing. They have 437 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: the US Postal Service. And that's what I think is 438 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: so phenomenal of what these women were able to accomplish. 439 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: And by the way, overseas again, not even going to 440 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 4: different states in America, let alone at different different countries. 441 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 6: Y'all did a good job of showing that parallel too, 442 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 6: because the one girl in the movie who her actual 443 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 6: like significant other, he went away to the war and 444 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 6: she hadn't heard from him, so she was like frustrated. 445 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 6: It really showed like why because I was watching it 446 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 6: with people who were like, but they're only doing male 447 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 6: to your point, But then when you saw her storyline, 448 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 6: it's like, that's why the male was important. I think 449 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 6: that helped, like that overarching storyline helped you understand the 450 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 6: importance of their job too. I thought that that was 451 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 6: a great peace. I don't know if you guys did 452 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 6: that on. 453 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 4: We did, but thank you because it's because Tyler was like, 454 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: we have to really show why. Yeah, and it actually 455 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: did happen, but it's to your again. Everyone said, oh, 456 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: it's just the male, but it's really not just anything. 457 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: It's communication, right, it's humanity, And but we didn't get 458 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: that until that scene that you're talking about. Yeah, and 459 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: it does make a huge difference. That people need to 460 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 4: see the power of human connection and the power of 461 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: your Why why is somebody doing something? 462 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: Why is somebody being so committed to. 463 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: They were also trying to prove themselves. They were also 464 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 4: trying to plant seeds. Again, for all of us to 465 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 4: be sitting here doing what we're doing, you don't have 466 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 4: to be in the armed forces. I think people we 467 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: all have to remember everybody in our history and everybody 468 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: before us, they knew they weren't going to see their 469 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 4: fruits of their labor. 470 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: There wasn't you know what I mean. 471 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: There were so many people who still fought for civil rights, 472 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 4: knowing that they may not get their rights, but we 473 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: were worth it. 474 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: Then when we came along, we would have our rights. 475 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: That is what I respect so much about people who 476 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 4: were never going to receive any benefits and still said 477 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do. 478 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: That's right. Y'all were nominated for Best Original Songs. 479 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: That mean, yes, oh my gosh, well, it's amazing because 480 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: twofold again because Clarence comes in here again. 481 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: Because my dad and Diane Warren have been friends forever. 482 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 4: Wow, and the fact that it's Diane who wrote the 483 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 4: song and then her singing the song, it's so great. 484 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: But that's what I was able to say to my 485 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: father when he was passing over. I said, Dad, you know, 486 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: here's your journey. Go on your journey. You had such 487 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 4: a great journey, I said, And of course, guests who 488 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: wrote the song, Diane Warren, I said, your girl who 489 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: likes to curse just as much as you. That's how 490 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 4: they became friends, because he said, I've never met somebody 491 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: who drops an fbom more than me, faster than me. 492 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: But she's brilliant, right, She's a brilliant songwriter. 493 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 4: And I was just so happy that this is this 494 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 4: is the category that we got an OSCAR nomination, and 495 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'll take this because this song 496 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 4: is everything and the song really makes the move. 497 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt, but I thought the 498 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: song was just perfect. 499 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 6: It was a lot of good stuff that was entertwined 500 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 6: into a song. I think the costuming was great. I 501 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 6: thought that was important to especially when he got off 502 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 6: the I'm telling too much. 503 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: About that march. 504 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 6: No, but in the march, Yeah, that was such a 505 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 6: powerful moment. And I think as a like as a 506 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 6: black woman, for me, when they were doing that march, 507 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 6: I was like, I feel that because there's a lot 508 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 6: of times where you just got to like, you know, 509 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 6: like you're powerful, but you gotta like let other people 510 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 6: assert it for you. And that march was that. 511 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: It was. 512 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 6: It's a really good movie. 513 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: I love that. 514 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: You know, every single test screw that we did the march. 515 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 4: It could be white men, black men, Asian women, this 516 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 4: that children, that march. 517 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: There's nothing is said. 518 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: Everyone gets moved, people cry, people are moving around their 519 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: seats because it stirs up. 520 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: The underdog and everybody. 521 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: It's the March, and it's that power of I know 522 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: I'm being underestimated, no one believes in me, but I'm 523 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: about to show you. 524 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 525 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 5: Laura said something that I want you to expose on 526 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: the call because you are a powerful woman, you know. 527 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: She said, when you're a powerful woman, you have to 528 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 5: often have to let other people assert it for you. 529 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 530 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: Do you feel you feel that way? 531 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: I understand that. Mm hm. I do understand that it's 532 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: a you know, it's so funny. 533 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: I remember being in a meeting once and I looked 534 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 4: at this man and he said, well, why you you 535 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 4: know we believe in this. I said, you know, I 536 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 4: do have a brain and it does function. 537 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: I'm just in case you guys didn't know that I 538 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: do have a functioning brain. But it's true, you go 539 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: into it. 540 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: It's so conditioned by everyone that sometimes people have to 541 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 4: go before you and just assert it for you, and 542 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 4: in a different way. Even when I became ambassador, it 543 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 4: was my friend Charlie who said, I said, no, no, no, 544 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: I don't want to do I'm doing this. I'm going 545 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: back to the record business. I know what I like 546 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: to do. I'm done with this. And he looked at 547 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 4: me like, really, you've outdone so many other people who 548 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 4: are demanding to have all these roles, and you earned it. 549 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: And so Charlie said, I'm gonna put your name in 550 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: just ree, I'm about to do this. And it's interesting 551 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 4: how I just didn't. 552 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: Even realize that I wasn't really. 553 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: Stepping into You're full you, my full me, my whole 554 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: life force, my whole thing. I just didn't realize, you know, 555 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: And it's it's I think we have to just remind 556 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: ourselves all the time. 557 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: Of of course I'm gonna try it. 558 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: It's I don't want to give my half, meaning I 559 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 4: want to give all of me and people take it 560 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 4: or leave it. But we should all feel comfortable enough 561 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 4: with our life force to show up as best. 562 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: We can and as much as we can. 563 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 4: Not dim our light because it makes other people feel uncomfortable. 564 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 4: I mean I used to do that a lot growing up, Like, oh, 565 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 4: I don't want to say this, Oh I don't want 566 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 4: to say this. No, there's just you're just dimming your 567 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 4: light for what And you're taking your energy down to 568 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: make other people comfortable, and then the only one that's 569 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: hurt in the end, you Yeah, they don't care. 570 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: If they feel more comfortable or not. 571 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: And then I feel like shit when I get home 572 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: because I dimmed myself and I shrunk myself. 573 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 5: Becoming your full you is interesting though, because sometimes other 574 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: people see things in you that you don't see yourself, 575 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 5: and I. 576 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: Think we need Yeah, but I think that. 577 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 4: Sometimes I think there's a flip side and a good 578 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 4: side to that too. I think that there's a you know, 579 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: like my father, for example, I think he saw he 580 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: was very good at seeing talent and seeing people that 581 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 4: could really change things, and they just for example, Hank Aaron. 582 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: I don't think Aaron was, you know, insecure. 583 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: I think he was never just thought of, oh, I 584 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: should be getting endorsement deals. 585 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: I just don't think he ever thought of it. 586 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 4: And Clarence comes along and was like, I don't even 587 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: know who you are, but if you're about to break 588 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: break Baboos record, you definitely need an endorsement deal. But again, 589 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: my father saw things in people that they sometimes didn't 590 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 4: see for themselves, and then he made magic for them. 591 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: You know. 592 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 4: He would always say people tell black people to just 593 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: run your erase, run your erase, and he goes a 594 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: mother thing to everybody is well, we can't. 595 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: Even get on our marks. 596 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: Let us get on our mark and then let us 597 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: But if you're going to take our mark away, don't 598 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 4: you dare tell anybody just run your race. 599 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: You know, you can't say pull up your bootstraps. You 600 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: don't have boots on. Ah, you know, get it together, 601 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: and we have to remind people. 602 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: But knowing your history, even if you're the only person 603 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 4: at the table, I always tell people, know as much 604 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 4: as your history, just know as much as you can, 605 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 4: so that when you are at a table or when 606 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: you're with people that don't know any of it, you 607 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 4: could be the one instead of worry about I'm the 608 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: only black person at this table, be so proud I'm 609 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: the only black person at this table. And then when 610 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: they're talking about certain inventions and talking about this and that, 611 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 4: you could say, oh, well, you know, this black scientist 612 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: did this, and this black inventor did this, and this 613 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: person did this, and they happen to be black, and 614 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 4: people don't know that. And it is a superpower that 615 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 4: my mom gave me that I have used all my 616 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: life and. 617 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: It it does feel great. 618 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 4: Just because everybody else doesn't know it doesn't mean that 619 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 4: I'm not going to express it. Kind of to your point, 620 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 4: everybody else is talking about it and their light is 621 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: up and their vibration's up, and oh, I'm not going 622 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 4: to mention this scientists because they may not know George 623 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 4: Washington Carvery may they may not know Elijah McCoy, or 624 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: they may not know somebody. Well, I'm just gonna tell them, well, 625 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: this is why we say we want the real McCoy. 626 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 4: I like why, I'm like, well, good, you know, and 627 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: then you tell the story and then everyone has that 628 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know. And so that's where the power 629 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: does come from knowledge and information and it is powerful 630 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 4: and to use it in the best way is kind 631 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: of how we move forward, especially women, just really knowing 632 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: everything who we are and being rooted and grounded in 633 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: real power versus I always say, there's real power, and 634 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 4: then there's power adjacent. 635 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in the power adjacent. I'm not. You know, 636 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: there's and that's the pride and we all fall into 637 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: that too. You know. 638 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 4: My father says everything that I had lost it all 639 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: in one fell swoop. You know why, because I had 640 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: pride and my ego was too big. And then he 641 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: was able to share that with music, and then I 642 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 4: was able to pick myself up and I was able 643 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 4: to start to have you records and I was able 644 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 4: to bring Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. 645 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: He goes all. 646 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 4: Before that, I got too erring itt and I started 647 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: doing too many things, radio station, this TV show that 648 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: out of focus, lost everything. He goes, and you know, 649 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 4: it's like my grandmother used to say, you know, pride cometh. 650 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: Before the fall. It's just it does. And to all 651 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: of us. 652 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 4: So we all have to remember to try to say 653 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: rooted and grounded, but in real power, in God's power 654 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 4: and light versus human power. 655 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: When you know, talking to your dad, people always say 656 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: when you lose everything, it makes you a strong individual, right, 657 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: and that you can't be the person that you need 658 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: to be unless you lose everything. 659 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: Did he ever talk about that? 660 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: Yes, he did, Yeah, and he felt that he lost 661 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 4: a really good question. He felt that he lost everything 662 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 4: from a very young age. Is all the time he 663 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: was being bounced around, moved around, stepfather kicked him out 664 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: of his house. He was always starting new and losing everything, 665 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 4: losing a home, you know, and just starting new. 666 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 2: But it does build character. 667 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 4: And he'd always say to me every time, every time 668 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: you have a shortcoming in life, every challenge, the real 669 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 4: power comes from what's the lesson behind it. You don't 670 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: all learn it in the beginning. You just like, oh 671 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: my god, they shut the door because of this. Oh 672 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: this didn't have so But you got to go behind 673 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: it and figure out what you're And if you learn 674 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: the lesson, you get to graduate. 675 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: It's like school. 676 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: You get to get you know, you read a certain level, 677 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: you get to go to the eighth grade. 678 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: You do this, you get to go to high school. 679 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: It goes. 680 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: But if you don't learn as you fall, then you'll. 681 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: Just stay where you are. And he'd love the pivot. 682 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: He'd always say, sometimes you have dreams and shit, and 683 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 4: sometimes the universe is thinking way. 684 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: Bigger than you. I have to have this. 685 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 4: I have to be on this radio station, goes, and 686 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: God's trying to tell you you're going to go all 687 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: the way over here and run the station. But you're 688 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: so stuck in your one dream. You have to be 689 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 4: able to open your dream up and then be able 690 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 4: to pivot. And then at some point, if you keep 691 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 4: getting closed doors, just say maybe I'm supposed to go 692 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: somewhere else. And if I am, he goes, just ask maybe. 693 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 4: But the pivot, he said. People who aren't successful usually 694 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 4: never get the pivot. 695 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: That's right, he said, they will not pivot. Be Goues. 696 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: I see it all the time, the most successful people, 697 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 4: and they end up right flatline because they just won't change. 698 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 4: They won't change with the times, they won't change their 699 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 4: stubborn ideas. 700 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: Have to be this. And he said, I just tried everything. 701 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: Some of it. 702 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: I was great at some of it I failed. Then 703 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 4: I figured out what I was good at and just 704 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: kind of say, once he figured out managing was his thing, 705 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 4: and that's what he was really good at, and he 706 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 4: can change people's lives. 707 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: That's when he started over. 708 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: And then it was Jimmy and Terry, and then it 709 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 4: was La and Face, and it was Benny Medina and 710 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: it was because all of a sudden, he's like this, 711 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 4: this is what I can do. 712 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: I say that to people all the time, Like I 713 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 5: think folks they like to say, reinvent yourself. 714 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 3: No, you just got to know when to pivot. 715 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: Pivot. It's not not a reinvention. 716 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: It's just a pivot. 717 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: It's a pivot, you know. 718 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 4: And it's in the beauty as humans is that we're 719 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 4: the only animals that could actually do. 720 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: That, you know. So we can change. As soon as 721 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: you change your mind. Think about it. 722 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 4: As soon as we change our minds, and as soon 723 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 4: as we start thinking different thoughts, speaking a new way, 724 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 4: behavior changes right doors open all of a sudden, You're 725 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: in the right place, at the right time, with the 726 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 4: right people. 727 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: As soon as you change your mind. 728 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 4: My dad always used to say, keep your mind right, 729 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 4: keep your mind right. 730 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: And I knew what he means. 731 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 4: You have to renew it every day your thoughts, O, 732 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 4: it's never gonna work. It's never gonna work, because so 733 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: why would you expect it to work. It's doesn't this 734 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 4: science doesn't even the universe doesn't even work like that. 735 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 4: You tell it it's not gonna work, and the universe 736 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 4: is gonna be okay. 737 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: I mean why why would it be any way else? 738 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 4: It doesn't work like that. Life doesn't work like that. 739 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 4: So he just he just, he said, Nicole, I just rolled. 740 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: I didn't care anybody color. I didn't care this. 741 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: I just my mentors were white. I just rolled, he said. 742 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 4: And none of my mentors thought, oh, he's going to 743 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 4: be end up being the black out Father and he's 744 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: going to use all. 745 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: This power that we're giving him people. So that was 746 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: not their intention, he goes. 747 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: I just got lucky and they picked me, and then 748 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: they let me in and taught me things that gave 749 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 4: me connections, and then I chose to go back and 750 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 4: try to make a difference for black people, he said. 751 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 4: But that was my decision on what to do with 752 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 4: what was given to me, not their intention. 753 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 5: You know, the name of his book is Think you'll 754 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 5: be happy, and it's because of something your. 755 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: Mother used to say. Yes, yes, So what is the 756 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: book about mister Avon be titled? 757 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: I know, you know, okay, it's the true story. And 758 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: I think I can curse on this show. Sorry, of course. 759 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: So when I wrote think You'll be happening, I told 760 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 4: my dad, your daddy, I'm saying, think you'll be happy, 761 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 4: because this is mommy's last message to me. 762 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: Six hours later I was heard she was shot. And so. 763 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 4: He said, maybe it's a later you know, maybe I 764 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 4: should write a book. 765 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: I should write a book. I should write a. 766 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: Clarence save On book. I said, well, what would your 767 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 4: title be? And he was thinking about it, and then 768 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: he had watched you know, some I don't know what station, MSNBCC, 769 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 4: and so somebody had said on TV was the black 770 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 4: person who said, you know, there's been no progress sixty years, 771 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 4: nothing and on and on and I'm telling you my 772 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 4: everything in my father his back when I goes no progress, what, Yeah, 773 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 4: he was like, I'm picking cotton, I'm picking tobacco. 774 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 2: I'm doing this. There were no rights. You couldn't vote, 775 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 2: you could do that. 776 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 4: He went on on. I go, okay, but what's the 777 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 4: title of your book, I ain't lean's in. He goes, 778 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 4: You're fucking welcome. That's my that's the title of my book. 779 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 4: You're fucking welcome by Clarence. Oh my god. He gave 780 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 4: me all these like I have all the Clarence isms 781 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 4: written down, and I was like, you know what, I'm 782 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 4: gonna I'll do that for you. I'm gonna write your book. 783 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: Just now I'm writing it. 784 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: It's so good of just his little nuggets. It's not 785 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: gonna be wrong. It's just clarence Ism right on it. 786 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 2: Next page of just real nuggets of how to get 787 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 2: through life. You know, his whole thing. Remember you know this, 788 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: it is what it is? 789 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 3: Right now? 790 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do about it? 791 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 4: And he'd always say, everybody's always like, it is what 792 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 4: it is. He goes, No, then you. 793 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: Finished the sentence. What you want? What are you going 794 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: to do about it? 795 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 4: Make a decision of what you're going to do about 796 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 4: whatever it is. 797 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 3: And if you're not gonna do nothing, boy, to shut 798 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: the fuck up. 799 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: Shut, he would always say. 800 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 4: If I and I remember one day I called and 801 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 4: I needed advice and I was in the Bahamas, and 802 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 4: I was so feeling sorry for myself. 803 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: I said, but daddy, daddy, I'm crying. He goes, it 804 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 2: is what it is. 805 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 4: And I said, can't you just be sensitive for one 806 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: minute and just listen to me. I'm trying to explain something. 807 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 4: And he said. I said, I know it is what 808 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 4: it is, but it hurts me. And he said, okay, 809 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 4: what you gonna do about it? I said, but dad? 810 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 4: He goes, no, no, no, I'm trying to teach you something. 811 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 4: You cannot make a constructive decision in chaos. 812 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 2: So when I say, what are. 813 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 4: You going to do about it? You got to accept 814 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 4: what is, don't fight what is. Don't because you don't 815 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 4: like it. It's not fair. That's going to keep you spinning. 816 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 2: So it is what. 817 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: It is, accept it like own it it's happening, and 818 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 4: then sit with yourself. Calm yourself down, tell yourself I'm 819 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 4: in control of my soul. 820 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 3: Is well? 821 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 4: I met control? And then make a decision. Now what 822 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: am I going to do about it? What's your new 823 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 4: attitude going to be from this? And I'm telling you 824 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 4: it worked. I calmed down, I said a prayer, I cried, 825 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 4: I got over the self pity and I focused and 826 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, who. 827 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: Do I want to be? Who do I want to be? 828 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 4: How do I want to s up in this situation? 829 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 4: It was the best advice he gave me. And I've 830 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: used it throughout my life, you know. And but he 831 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 4: gave me those little nuggets. And and you're fucking welcome. 832 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 4: Also was about like, you owe me a life. 833 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: I gave you a life. Live it. You're welcome. All 834 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 2: of us got here. 835 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 4: You had parents, every bid, generations of generations of generations 836 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 4: of people did. 837 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: Not quit, so you got you all definitely. 838 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 4: Do not have the audacity to just sit and do 839 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 4: nothing with everything that we went through for you, because 840 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: we had a big dream for you, all of you, 841 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 4: and and and we do. And you guys, by the way, 842 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 4: have done a phenomenal job. I mean, I'm looking every 843 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 4: time I watch I'm thinking, look at all these politicians 844 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 4: coming on this show, Look at how they're changing the culture. 845 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: Look what you're doing. 846 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: And the truth is this would not this show would 847 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: not have happened twenty years ago, thirty years I'm sorry 848 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 4: it was wasn't even probably drummed up, do you know 849 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 4: what I mean? 850 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 5: I followuprint I never seeing a black man who you know, 851 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 5: had that type of influence in so many different industries 852 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 5: and so much respect and so many different And to me, 853 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 5: that's how you move culture forward for real. 854 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 4: Yes, and and but that's what you guys have done. 855 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I hope you guys really understand. I'm not 856 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 4: just saying this. I mean it's real, and it's a 857 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 4: big deal, and it's a big deal for people of 858 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 4: all colors, all races to tune in and see what 859 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 4: you create. See who gets to sit in this chair, 860 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 4: listen to different ideas. 861 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: By the way, I love that you have diverse ideas. 862 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 4: I love that you have Republicans and Independents and Democrats 863 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 4: and everybody talking so that people can make an independent. 864 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: Decision on who they are. 865 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 4: I think that's very very important, especially for black men, 866 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 4: because I think that black men have always been piggeled 867 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 4: everybody else. You notice, everybody else gets to be whatever 868 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 4: they want, everybody, everybody gets to think conservatively. 869 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: I know, everybody else. 870 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, they're black conservative men. 871 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 4: There are black independent men. There are black liberal men, 872 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 4: just like every other. 873 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 2: Type of man. Do you know? And every time I 874 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 2: turned around, I was at a dinner table. 875 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 4: That black man's conservative, But why are you hating on 876 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 4: him because he's conservative? Because the white guy's conservative, the 877 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 4: Asian guy's conservative, the Hispanic person's conservative. 878 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 2: But none of you are throwing this person. 879 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 4: In any shade whatsoever. And I don't know why this 880 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 4: group only, not even women. I'm talking men, only have 881 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 4: to think one way. We're not that kind of Everybody 882 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 4: else thinks different ways. 883 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean Booker, T. Washington, there are many. 884 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: Remember we all come many of us were a Republican 885 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 4: in the beginning. 886 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: So I just I don't know what I love that 887 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: you do. 888 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 4: Again, is I love that I've watched everybody sit in 889 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 4: this chair and there's different ideas, and I've always taken 890 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 4: a little piece from everybody. Even if I disagreed with 891 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 4: ninety percent, there's always that two percent five percent that 892 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 4: I think I never thought about it that way. Sure 893 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 4: I agree with that. 894 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: That's what you do, and I think it's really powerful 895 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: what you guys do. 896 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much. I do have one 897 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 5: last question. Six trip late right, that's out on Netflix now. 898 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 5: You can you can basically probably tell any story you 899 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 5: want to and get it on Netflix if you want 900 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 5: it to right, how do you pick which stories you 901 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 5: want to do? 902 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 4: I for me, if it's for me personally, I love 903 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 4: anything that's inspiring, empowering, motivating, and if it's true. 904 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: I love true stories, you know what I mean. And 905 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 2: I love documentaries. 906 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 4: Documentaries for me are everything because I think that you 907 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 4: can teach people again, like I say, through film and art. 908 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 4: It's so important for me to tell something that people 909 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 4: will be moved by and people will leave that room 910 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 4: saying I didn't know that, or. 911 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 2: I feel so good about this, or I don't care 912 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: about that. That's what I care about. 913 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 4: Empowering people, motivating people, aspiring people. Any kind of script 914 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 4: that I get that's like that, that's those are the 915 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 4: stories that I want to tell that move culture forward 916 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 4: and have people thinking even in a different way than 917 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 4: they ever have before. 918 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 2: But that's what I love making people. 919 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 4: I want people to feel good, and I want people 920 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 4: to feel positive, and I want people to feel hopeful 921 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 4: and also be educated in ways. You know, if I 922 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: don't like I said, we both said, like, oh my god, 923 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 4: I didn't know this story. And I love the response 924 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,479 Speaker 4: around the world about the six triple eight of every 925 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 4: response is I had no idea number one. And then 926 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 4: the second response is and now I could feel that 927 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 4: I could do anything. Or I've sat with my children 928 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 4: and I've watched us with my children, and this has 929 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 4: been great. I mean, I was on Brett Baer Show 930 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 4: on Fox and they were so supportive of the six 931 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 4: Triple A and it was so great that this. 932 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 2: Story is just resonating. 933 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 4: That's what I mean is every everybody wants to talk 934 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 4: about this film because it's important and it's it's a 935 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 4: great piece of history that everyone should know. 936 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us this morning. That's right, Trip. 937 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: You can check it on Netflix right now. It's streaming now. 938 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: And the book I Think You'll Be Happy is out 939 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: right now, right now. 940 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 3: Well afford by Ted. Saranda tell Ted we do want 941 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 3: him up there? 942 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 2: Yes, well Ted will Ted will love it. 943 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 3: He's great, Okay, but. 944 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: We'll see you again when, yes, when the other book 945 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: comes out. Please all right, Nicole Avon, good morning, thank 946 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 2: You, thank you,