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Speaker 1: You're listening to part two of Unexplained, Season seven, episode eighteen,

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Speaker 1: A Dance with Mister d. It is late October in

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Speaker 1: of some terrible malady. At times, she calls out in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night in distress, saying that she

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Speaker 1: has gone blind, she is dying. Mary's life had not

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Speaker 1: been an easy one. As a child, she suffered from

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Speaker 1: constant fevers, depression, and anorexia, not surprising considering the cruelty

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Speaker 1: of her father, Henry the Eighth. When her mother, Catherine

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Speaker 1: of Arrogant, was ostracized after Henry jettisoned her for Anne Boleyn,

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Speaker 1: Mary was forbidden from seeing her, and, as he did

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Speaker 1: with her mother, Henry often threatened Mary with death, and

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Speaker 1: it was no empty threat at that. He called her

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Speaker 1: When Mary's mother finally succumbed to illness in fifteen thirty five,

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Speaker 1: Mary was denied the opportunity to say her goodbyes. As

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Speaker 1: Mary lay dying in October fifteen fifty eight, some believed

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Speaker 1: she'd finally succumb to the melancholy that had dogged her

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Speaker 1: all her life, though it is more likely she was

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Speaker 1: suffering from an aspecse vily virulent strain of influenza that

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Speaker 1: swept across Europe that year. Towards the end, she would

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Speaker 1: come round from bouts of fever to tell of the

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Speaker 1: early hours of November seventeenth, a deep gasp escaped her lips,

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Speaker 1: her rib cage expanded for one last time, and then

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Speaker 1: her body was still. The queen was dead. Earlier that month,

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Mary amended her will to confirm that her sister,

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Speaker 1: the Protestant leaning Elizabeth, would be her rightful successor, and

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Speaker 1: so a week after Mary's death, Elizabeth arrived in London

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Speaker 1: to a rapturous reception from her supporters. As city dignitaries

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Speaker 1: to be kissed by each of them. One after another,

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Speaker 1: of her glove. But when Elizabeth got to Catholic Bishop

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Speaker 1: Edmund Bonner, John Dee's employer and the man who'd done

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Speaker 1: so much to root out Mary's Protestant enemies, she withdrew

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth herself had at one point been held under arrest

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Speaker 1: It was not a good sign for Bonner or his

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Speaker 1: fellow Catholic bishops and their associates. But while many would

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Speaker 1: once again escaped to the worst of it. Chief among

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth's immediate concerns was selecting a date for her coronation,

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Speaker 1: and the stakes could not have been higher. Though she

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Speaker 1: to welcome its fourth monarch in just over five years.

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Speaker 1: That Elizabeth was female only made the job of asserting

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Speaker 1: sheer idea of women in positions of power or as

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Speaker 1: influential Scottish minister John Knox put it, such a thing

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Speaker 1: was repugnant to nature. On top of that, where a

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Speaker 1: series of strange, unsettling prophecies coming from across channel in France,

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Speaker 1: made by a man named Michel de Nostre Dame or Nostrodamis.

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Speaker 1: He predicted that when Elizabeth took the throne, England would

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Speaker 1: Like most people of the time, Queen Elizabeth was deeply

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Speaker 1: with a suggestion of sorcery and arcane knowledge about them,

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Speaker 1: John d At the time d still lived in Upton,

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Speaker 1: children was said to run screaming from him in fright.

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Speaker 1: Such was his growing reputation as a magician and conjurer.

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Speaker 1: Only a few weeks after Mary's death, d received the

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Speaker 1: had he received it, d was in his library frantically

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Speaker 1: searching his shelves for any ancient texts to seek out

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Speaker 1: concluded that January the fifth, fifteenth fifteen fifty nine was

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Speaker 1: waiting later on that day, Jupiter would be in Aquarius,

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Speaker 1: meaning that Elizabeth would have the necessary passion and commitment

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Speaker 1: coronation was an all day spectacle, involving the new queen

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Speaker 1: The parade was embellished with a series of five pageants

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Speaker 1: designed to be essentially brand establishing propaganda. The pageant themes

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Speaker 1: variously stressed the new monarch's virtuousness, her Englishness, and her

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Speaker 1: descent from a family that had ended years of civil

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Speaker 1: war in England. The fifth pageant drew parallels between her

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Speaker 1: and Deborah, an Old Testament prophet who supposedly rescued the

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Speaker 1: House of Israel, then ruled successfully for forty years, and

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Speaker 1: once again John D was at the center of it all.

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Speaker 1: But not long after Elizabeth was crowned, D completely disappeared.

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Speaker 1: For several years, There was no historical record of where

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Speaker 1: explanation is that he returned to Europe in pursuit of

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Speaker 1: a new quest. When known accounts of D resume in

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Speaker 1: February fifteen sixty three, he was staying at an inn

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Speaker 1: called the Sign of the Golden Angel in Antwerp, Belgium.

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Speaker 1: This time, it seems D's quest was to understand the Kabbalah,

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Speaker 1: a mysterious text containing ancient Hebrew knowledge based on mathematics

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Speaker 1: its most important insights was the apparent role of angels,

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Speaker 1: who were said to provide the key to understanding God.

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Speaker 1: Antwerp was a bustling merchant town as well as home

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Speaker 1: which was why D was there. He was hunting a

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Speaker 1: It was written by a German abbot called Johannes Trithemius

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Speaker 1: and was essentially one of the first ever works on

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Speaker 1: cryptography the science of codes. D finally got his hands

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Speaker 1: on a copy and spent a feverish ten days copying

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Speaker 1: it out. The book outlined an elaborate system for sending

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Speaker 1: Second World War German code making machine, the Enigma, except

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Speaker 1: rather than utilizing a machine, this system required the user

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Speaker 1: the steganographia, John D was eager to return to England

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Speaker 1: but again Cecil was uninterested. Under ThReD D made his

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Speaker 1: A short time later, the tall and slender D, with

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Speaker 1: Bowing deeply, John D produced a book from the folds

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Speaker 1: that could easily have repulsed the Queen, but instead, she

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Speaker 1: D used the capital letter E topped with a crown

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Speaker 1: whenever he wrote about Elizabeth. The Queen who called D

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Speaker 1: could not. She took to referring to D as my philosopher.

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Speaker 1: When a strange wax effigy of the Queen was found

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Speaker 1: once again called to determine its severity. And when one

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Speaker 1: it was D who was asked to decipher what it meant.

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Speaker 1: Despite John D's devotion to the Queen and what some

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Speaker 1: D continued his studies of astronomy, astrology, alchemy and magic,

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Speaker 1: with the ultimate goal of understanding the truth of the universe.

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Speaker 1: In fifteen sixty six, D moved in with his mother,

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Speaker 1: who lived in a ramshackled, sprawling cottage in Mortlake, a

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Speaker 1: On moving in, D set about arranging the massive collection

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Speaker 1: Among them was Johannes de Burgo's occult text Treatise on

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