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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chandeler Roam with Tyler Stafford. Tyler, what's going on now?

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Speaker 2: Much? Man?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Got this fancy new camera for everybody watching on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: I'm also I'm a I'm in sales in like my

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Speaker 2: real life. Uh, and so I'm on zoom all day anyway,

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Speaker 2: And this was just an excuse for me to to

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Speaker 2: make an unreasonable purchase. So this is my Christmas gift.

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Speaker 2: If you like the way that I look, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a Christmas I don't know what's the opposite of

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Speaker 2: a gift? You take it away? Whatever. This is my

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Speaker 2: lump of coal, That's what people call me.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the camera? Do you think the new

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Speaker 1: camera set up will help you in your sales endeavors?

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Speaker 1: Or are you just is it gonna be a tough

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Speaker 1: sled either way?

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that it was hurting me before,

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Speaker 2: but I do feel I I don't like how much

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Speaker 2: of my face I can see now. I'm very self

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Speaker 2: conscious about it now, and.

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Speaker 1: So showing people your face is never is never a

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Speaker 1: good thing now, especially me. I apologize YouTube that I look.

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Speaker 2: Like this That's why I've always wanted to join the

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Speaker 2: jabb Awokee's, the dance troupe that has the cool face mask.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Blue Man Group I could do that too.

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Speaker 1: Blue Land Group is a life goal. Blue Group is

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Speaker 1: a life goal. I don't really know what they do,

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Speaker 1: but they get to be in Vegas a lot, and

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Speaker 1: they get to play sold out show. So I would

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Speaker 1: love that.

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Speaker 2: You know that it's more than just those poor guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be in Vegas for unknown reasons and make a

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Speaker 1: ton of money. Sign me up.

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Speaker 2: You should work for the A's.

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Speaker 1: Uh, not a Sacramento guy. That's the thing I need.

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Speaker 1: I need. I need immediate dividends, Like I don't want

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Speaker 1: to stay in Sacramento for three years. Louis Severina. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Louis Severenna, what was that you signed a

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Speaker 1: three year deal with the A's, Like I kind of

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Speaker 1: get like they paid you a ton of money, but like,

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Speaker 1: could you have at least gotten another year tacked on

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Speaker 1: so you could pitch at least one year in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: He's getting traded like this year, right, I mean that's

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Speaker 2: the only reason that you signed that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, the A's like they're like the

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Speaker 1: Astros just traded their best player, Like who knows what

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Speaker 1: the Angels are gonna do? Like the Rangers may be

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Speaker 1: Like you look at the A's like Lawrence Butler's a guy,

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Speaker 1: Brent Rooker, like Mason Miller. Like they played really well

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Speaker 1: in the second half last year to the point where

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Speaker 1: like if if that if that team in the second

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Speaker 1: half played that way the whole year, like they would have,

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Speaker 1: they would have flirted with like seventy five eighty wins.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm high on the A's. You can be

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Speaker 1: on the A's like we go. You know I I

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Speaker 1: no one wants to hear us talk about the A's. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they do want to hear us talk about a guy

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Speaker 1: whose last name begins with as.

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Speaker 2: Not one of your better ones.

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Speaker 1: Not one of the better I was trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Hayden was an escy Texas transitions created was great.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to live up to that expectation. I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Nolan Aeronaudo said no to a proposed trade

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Speaker 1: to the Astros this weekend. This week. This has been

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Speaker 1: a saga that's been ongoing for about eight to nine days,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you as much as I know that,

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Speaker 1: there's stuff I do know that I don't feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: saying out loud right now, just for various reasons. A

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Speaker 1: couple of things that I haven't corroborated with with more people,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of things that you know, people ask

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Speaker 1: me not to share. Which is which is? You know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to respect their I'm gonna respect their wishes.

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Speaker 1: But here's the gist of it. The gist of it is,

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Speaker 1: there were people in the Astros organization that thought, as

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Speaker 1: of as early as last Saturday or Sunday, that the

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Speaker 1: Nolan Aeronaudo deal was done, that Nolan Aernauda was coming

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Speaker 1: to Houston, there would have been a trade that it

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Speaker 1: within it, the Astra would have the Cardinals would have

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Speaker 1: eaten about five million dollars per year of Nolan Aernado's

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Speaker 1: seventy four million dollar salary Ashers would have gotten him.

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Speaker 1: He would have been their third baseman, shift esac paratus

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Speaker 1: infield there. That did not happen. Nolan Aeronado has a

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Speaker 1: full no trade clause. He invoked his no trade clause

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Speaker 1: this week blocking that deal to the Astros. However, it

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Speaker 1: is not final. This is not final. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of fans when they first saw the reporting this

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Speaker 1: their first thought was it was something like Nolan Aeronado said, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play for the Houston Astros. For

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, he thought that this was a team that

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to play for. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that that is not true, that that is not what

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Speaker 1: he is thinking. That This is not something to where

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Speaker 1: he's thinking about, you know, I don't want to play

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Speaker 1: four this team. Nolan Aeronado wants to see how the

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Speaker 1: market manifests. He wants to see what else is out there.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to make a decision this early in

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Speaker 1: the off season, and he's been afforded that right. He's

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Speaker 1: got a no trade clause. He has full autonomated direct

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Speaker 1: How this goes? Now? Why the two front offices negotiated

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Speaker 1: a deal and had it, as one source told The

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Speaker 1: Athletic this week, had this deal on the one yard line.

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Speaker 1: Why they negotiated that without involving Nolan Aeronado, who again

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Speaker 1: and I wonder why it went down like that, but

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Speaker 1: maybe that's a different issue for a different time. Tyler,

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Speaker 1: As you were kind of following this from Afar and

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Speaker 1: how this transpired this week kind of what was your

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Speaker 1: takeaway from all from everything that you read and everything

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Speaker 1: little bit about some stuff that went down, what did

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Speaker 1: you make of all this?

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Speaker 2: You know, it has never made sense to me. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot of money to pay for a guy coming

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Speaker 2: off a rough year and you know, really hasn't looked

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Speaker 2: great in a while. And I think my first thought,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like most Astros fans first thought, is

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Speaker 2: why would you give Nolan a aeron Otto money when

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Speaker 2: you could just give Alex Bregman money. And I see

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Speaker 2: from the Astros perspective, it's like, well, it's only three years,

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Speaker 2: so you know, you can be flexible, you can make

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Speaker 2: from the fan base side. Of things. Part of that

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Speaker 2: John Singleton. It's a really fun story. You just traded

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Speaker 2: for parades. And also, you know Bregman is still there.

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Speaker 2: So I think until Bregman is signed somewhere, every fan

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Speaker 2: you know, it just it doesn't make a ton of sense,

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Speaker 2: at least to me. I don't know what what are

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Speaker 2: you hearing from astrosk people about why they were pursuing

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a couple of things. And one some

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Speaker 1: of this is stuff that I've talked to people about,

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Speaker 1: and some of this is just kind of informed speculation

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Speaker 1: that I'm that I'm kind of hypothesizing. Presuming Romber Valdez

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Speaker 1: stays on this team, the Astros next year are going

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Speaker 1: to run out a one to two in their rotation

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Speaker 1: of Romber Valdez in Hunter Brown. They are two of

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Speaker 1: is imperative that the Astros have an elite defensive endfield

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Speaker 1: behind them and Nolan Aronado. While you are completely right,

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Speaker 1: he has declined the last couple of years. The offense

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Speaker 1: has not been there, the defense still plays. He is

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Speaker 1: one of this generation's greatest third basemen. He won ten

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Speaker 1: consecutive goal gloves, though he did not win one in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, which snapped a ten straight year streak

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Speaker 1: of gold gloves. He's won I believe, five platinum gloves.

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Speaker 1: He is probably going to the Hall of Fame, not

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Speaker 1: solely based on his defense, but his defense is going

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Speaker 1: And then you have Jeremy Paanna, a shortstop who, aside

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Speaker 1: If you throw Nolan Arenado and Jeremy Panna on the

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Speaker 1: for what this team is going to be with Fromberveldes

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Speaker 1: and Hunter Brown atop the rotation that's imperative. I do

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Speaker 1: know that the Astros were also intrigued by you know,

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Speaker 1: Nolan Aernado plays with an edge. He's a nice guy

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, has been missing a little bit from these

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Speaker 1: Now they've had some mar Team Maldonado. I think calling

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Speaker 1: Hector Narris had some of those same qualities. Let it

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get back into that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: But that appealed to the Astros as well, And you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are wondering, and I had the

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Speaker 1: same thing. I wrote this a bunch this offseason, like

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Speaker 1: about Nolan are or not? And I kept writing consistently.

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Speaker 1: I was like, if you're going to pay someone top

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Speaker 1: of the market value to be an infielder, like, why

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Speaker 1: would you not pay that to the face of your

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Speaker 1: franchise or one of the faces of your franchise? And

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Speaker 1: Alex Bregman And I think Tyler. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that the Astros had advanced this far in talks with

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Speaker 1: Nolan Aeronauto. I think it it signifies to me that

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Speaker 1: they have moved on from Alex Brinton. That that that

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Speaker 1: around in the market. They'll they'll always be there if

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Speaker 1: he wants to, you know, come back if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: get the deal he wants. But to me, this really

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Speaker 1: signifies that they are preparing for life without Alex Britton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's certainly what it looks like to me,

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Speaker 2: you don't, like I said, if you're going to pay

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Speaker 2: that Aeronauto would cost. You know, You're you're signaling like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're big, we're big race guys.

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Speaker 1: And the guys can like that. Oh yeah, And then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Leaves and the Reds are playing at Bristol

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Speaker 2: To work to get Sean Barry and his pink bat.

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Speaker 2: Let's get him back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say Brian Ogasavik, but I see

432
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Speaker 1: Brian Mogusavic.

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Speaker 2: Like Morgan Ensburg, see Brian.

434
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Speaker 1: Ogusvic like every other day during the season because he

435
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Speaker 1: does stuff for Space City. That's right, Yeah, it's it's

436
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Speaker 1: it's it's something we can we can keep naming. We

437
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Speaker 1: can keep naming all of us. How about whosse a

438
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Speaker 1: brave former Ashal?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, put him in third.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do wonder, honestly, how much of And I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you this because you you you get

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Speaker 1: the fan perspective a little more than I do. Just

443
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Speaker 1: from out from seeing this from a ten thousand foot view.

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Speaker 2: I have friends too. I think that's a big part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my friends aren't Astros fans, the few I have.

446
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Speaker 1: How much much of the outcry, outcry, rage, whatever you

447
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Speaker 1: want to call it, of the Astros, even being in

448
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Speaker 1: on Nolan Arnado, how much of that do you think?

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Speaker 1: How much of the Jose of Bray you saga do

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Speaker 1: you think impacts that? Because I've heard it from people

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Speaker 1: in my inbox, I've heard it from I hosted a

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Speaker 1: four hour radio show today with Matt Thomas on seven

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Speaker 1: ninety and there was talk about, you know, they're going

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Speaker 1: to get another a Bray who like he's declining, just

455
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Speaker 1: like a break you was. I think these are two

456
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Speaker 1: totally different situations.

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Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you're getting our first baseman, you have

458
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Speaker 2: to have the bat. I mean, like you said, even

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Speaker 2: if Nolan aronauto hits two forty, if he's playing gold

460
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Speaker 2: glove defense, he's still a very valuable player. And so

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Speaker 2: even if the bat is falling off, which it's not

462
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Speaker 2: like it cratered, he he's still he had a one

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Speaker 2: oh one ops plus he was a league average hitter

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Speaker 2: with elite defense. That's still a really good player. It's

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Speaker 2: not somebody that you necessarily want to give twenty five

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, which is why the Cardinals are

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Speaker 2: wanting to trade him.

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Speaker 1: To be fair the ash. To be fair, the Astros

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Speaker 1: would not be paying him twenty five million dollars a year, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how all of that math works. So

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Speaker 2: walk me through. If it had gone down, to the

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Speaker 2: best of your knowledge, what were the Astros paying.

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Speaker 1: To the best of my knowledge, I would have been

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Speaker 1: paying him around twenty million dollars a year. They would

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Speaker 1: have been responsible for twenty million dollars a year. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And as a reminder, you paid jose A Braid and

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Speaker 1: are still paying Josea Brave nineteen and a half million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the the hesitation is less a

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Speaker 2: bray you and it's more you don't want to give

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Speaker 2: up on Bragman until he's gone as a as an

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Speaker 2: Astros fan, right Like. It's just like you said, it's

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Speaker 2: tough to watch your homegrown stars leave, especially coming from

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Speaker 2: an Astro's franchise that kept Vigio and Bagwell their whole

485
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Speaker 2: careers where you grew up kind of expecting that. Speaking

486
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Speaker 2: of Bigio, there's there's your Rockies rivalry where or he

487
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Speaker 2: almost went, uh went to Colorado, but you know.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even three thousand hit against the Rockies too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah at home, but uh, you know, I I think

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Speaker 2: it's more that it's just, you know, you look at

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Speaker 2: the team and they're still good, but it's essentially Altuve

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Speaker 2: that is the core that has been here, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a while. And obviously that happens with other teams,

494
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Speaker 2: but I do think the Astros band base specifically, you know,

495
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe got a little spoiled watching two Hall of

496
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Speaker 2: Famers play their entire careers with the Astros, and so

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Speaker 2: it's not fun to watch guys that you really care

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Speaker 2: about and that you like leave because some rich person

499
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to give more of their money. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Crank could sign up for a billion. I don't care

501
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Speaker 2: that they're paying Jose Bray you like I who cares?

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Speaker 2: That's not my money And I'll never have that much

503
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Speaker 2: money in my life cumulatively, So you know, I think

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00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: that's the frustration is like, man, you have all these guys,

505
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: they've been so good, why would you not try to

506
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: keep them together. There's no salary cap, like what are

507
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: we doing? It's not like you know in the NFL

508
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: or in the NBA where you have to do calculus

509
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: to figure out how you're going to structure a team.

510
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Speaker 2: It's just do you want to pay this guy more

511
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Speaker 2: money than everyone else? Great? And so if I'm an

512
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Speaker 2: Astros fan, I'm like, I love Bradman. He's in here

513
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: the whole time. Give him whatever money that he wants,

514
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: you know. So I think that's probably more of where

515
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: the frustration comes in. And I'm sure Bray is there

516
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Speaker 2: a little bit. But I mean that happens like that.

517
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: You know, Guriel fell off a cliff too, and it

518
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Speaker 2: you know, those guys are forty like that's that's gonna happen.

519
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: But but like you said, Aaron Otto, I mean, even

520
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: if he forgot how to hit, he's still a really, really,

521
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: really good third baseman who's gonna make some awesome plays

522
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be excited, you know, to have him.

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00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you know, I think that is the thing

524
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Speaker 1: that people need to grasp is that the defensive value

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00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: he brings outweighs almost anything jose A Bray even brought

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Speaker 1: even before he fell off, Like, I don't think people

527
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Speaker 1: appreciate how good of a third baseman Nolan arnaut Of

528
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Speaker 1: is and I really.

529
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Speaker 2: Wish wild right he's so good.

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Speaker 1: Well, part of it is he played so long in

531
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Speaker 1: Colorado and that's that was not a team that was

532
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Speaker 1: Maybe Astros fans were watching and hoping that they lose

533
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Speaker 1: because they're big rivals, but that's not a team that

534
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: the nation at large was was watching with bated breath.

535
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Speaker 1: And I also think Astros fans have been spoiled too

536
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: by having Alex Pregnant at third base for the past

537
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: nine years, a really really good defender. Guys, I'm not

538
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: sitting here trying to pile on Shaye WICKHAMB. Please don't

539
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: take this as a Shaye Wickham pile on. You saw

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Speaker 1: when Alex Bregman left that last game against the Mariners,

541
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Speaker 1: when they gave him the standing ovation and they did

542
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the cater you know, bring him off, and Shay WICKHAMB

543
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: came into that game. You saw what happens when you

544
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Speaker 1: have bad defense at their base. You saw what happens

545
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Speaker 1: when you have an average to below average defender at

546
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Speaker 1: third base. It is something that can cripple a team.

547
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Speaker 1: Especially one, as we've said, that is going to run

548
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Speaker 1: out two ground ball pitchers for what they hope are

549
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: four hundred combined endings next year. Yeah, it's something that

550
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Speaker 1: you know. Look, Nolan Aeronauto, the slug absolutely disappeared last year.

551
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: He hit for no power. He slugged three ninety four

552
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Speaker 1: last year. At least in twenty three, when he was

553
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: declining a little bit, he slugged four to fifty nine.

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00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: He barely slugged anything last year, no extra base power. However,

555
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: still had about a league average walk rate and still

556
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: strikes out, you know, seven points below the league average.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's the kind of guy too. He's professional

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00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: at bat. He will put the ball in play, not

559
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: going to swing it, not going to swing at balls,

560
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Speaker 1: will swing it. Strikes like the offensive profile fits. And

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Speaker 1: I know people are tired of this, but he's a

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Speaker 1: right handed hitter coming into minute making parts like he'll

563
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: have a short porch like the Crawford boxes. The Crawford

564
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: boxes can't hurt, they will only try to maybe help.

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Speaker 1: But I can't get on board with this being the

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Speaker 1: same as OSAA brain.

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Speaker 2: No, and I haven't even really heard that, at least

568
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Speaker 2: from people that I talked to. I'm sure on the

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Speaker 2: internet people are saying that, but I mean that that

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Speaker 2: didn't really cross my mind. Like I said, it feels

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Speaker 2: more Bregmant related than a bray You.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think as we've covered here that you

573
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Speaker 1: know the drop off between you're gonna get elite, elite,

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Speaker 1: elite defense from both of them at third base, and

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: when you look at the last two years, the difference

576
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: in the offense is negligible. It is not. It is

577
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Speaker 1: not this dramatic drop off. Yeah, so you know, I

578
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Speaker 1: don't know where this eventually goes. I think, honestly, I

579
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Speaker 1: think Nolan aaron Otto is probably going to wait until

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Speaker 1: Alex Bregman makes his decision, because once that happens, the

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Speaker 1: third base market, whatever is left of it, will really crystallize,

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Speaker 1: and then Nolan Arnotto can have them a little bit

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Speaker 1: clearer head probably make a decision, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Astros will still be involved. They are continuing to stay

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00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: in touch. You know, this was not a hard no forever.

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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: This was a no for now, and so we will

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00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: be with you later to see if for now becomes

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00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: a bigger thing or what have you. But someone will

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00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: play third base for the Houston Astras in twenty twenty five.

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: We will both watch this person play third base for

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Speaker 1: the Astros in twenty twenty five, and we will be

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Speaker 1: on Crush City Territory to talk to you about how

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Speaker 1: this person is playing third base for the Houston Astras

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. This has been a fun one.

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