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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Today,
Speaker 1: is she not Tuesday? Thursday? Thursday? Man, we're just lose
Speaker 1: trave no idea. What Oh, we're still talking football. We're
Speaker 1: still at training camp. It's episode nineteen, by the way, Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you for season fourteen. Season fourteen, Episode nineteen. Okay, awesome,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm sure fans want to know that. They
Speaker 1: absolutely do they All right, well, let's jump riding to
Speaker 1: our topic and we're gonna focus today on linebacker doing
Speaker 1: well if we here, I care, Nick, remember you don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks for asking. Awesome. That's very rare.
Speaker 1: But let's get to the name. Let's get to the name. Sam. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's rare, but thank you. Okay, we're all doing good. Well,
Speaker 1: we're all doing good in one of those moves. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. Are we whispering? Because they moved
Speaker 1: this down closer to the to the field players, down
Speaker 1: closer to the water. I feel like there's like someone
Speaker 1: about the chip on the eighteenth, we're here, live at practice,
Speaker 1: here in Augusta. Here comes bubb On. Okay, well, fairy.
Speaker 1: Today our main focus is welcome to training camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're live, and there's lend Drapers. Okay, topic linebackers. That's
Speaker 1: our focus today. But before we get into that, we've
Speaker 1: been talking all week about the safety position, and today
Speaker 1: our old Thomas name has been trending on Twitter. It
Speaker 1: has so basically he keeps holding out and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: give me an extension or train me to a team
Speaker 1: that wants me and wants to keep me for the
Speaker 1: rest of my career. So definitely that whole thing has
Speaker 1: not died down. And oh, I mean every time it
Speaker 1: tries to die down, something happens and you like I
Speaker 1: would blame Nick, but Earl did it himself. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how y'all start your days,
Speaker 1: But like my alarm goes off, I grabbed my phone
Speaker 1: off the bedside table and I opened Twitter and I
Speaker 1: just started reading. And that was the first thing I
Speaker 1: saw and I immediately was like, Okay, this show will
Speaker 1: be good today, show will be interesting today. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's with the same confidence that I feel like
Speaker 1: the sun is gonna come out tomorrow at here and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a sunny day. It's it's it's happening.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Wow, it's gonna happen. He's gonna end
Speaker 1: up with the Cowboys. I don't know when, I don't
Speaker 1: know how, for how much, I don't know for how long.
Speaker 1: I just think he's going to be wearing number twenty
Speaker 1: nine for the Dallas Cowboys at some pert. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that point's gonna be twenty nineteen. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's happening this year. I really don't. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: say that you were right if he signs next month, right,
Speaker 1: you're right about between now and like October, you gotta
Speaker 1: put an expiration data. Yeah real, Wait, what did you say,
Speaker 1: like if he signs here in free agency? I thought
Speaker 1: you said next month. I thought you said I was
Speaker 1: telling you back a training camp in two thy eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, that doesn't count. I lose them. Yes
Speaker 1: you do. I think you're saying between now and October fifteenth,
Speaker 1: whenever the trade deadline is, I don't know. I'm top
Speaker 1: of I am one hundred percent confident he will be
Speaker 1: playing in that game in week three Dallas again Seattle,
Speaker 1: but I don't in some form or fashion, I'm not certain.
Speaker 1: I'm not certain about that because I'm not certain he
Speaker 1: shows up if he doesn't have the contract. I think
Speaker 1: he might be one of those guys doing this so
Speaker 1: they don't do that. We've seen some players do that.
Speaker 1: Name more than one. I can't There was only one
Speaker 1: I can remember. It was even the first There was
Speaker 1: Joey did it Joey? But there was also there was
Speaker 1: a few years ago there was a I think it
Speaker 1: was a defensive lineman that held out for like first
Speaker 1: four or five weeks of the season. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was just you're gonna put your money on the line.
Speaker 1: Didn't hold out like that. The gona be honest. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's coming to the Cowboys this year. I
Speaker 1: personally don't think that because I don't think if if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are willing to give up what Seattle saying
Speaker 1: they would take in order to make the deal happen,
Speaker 1: it would have already happened. This has been a prolonged
Speaker 1: period of time, it has not happened. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's one of is necessarily prone to move their position
Speaker 1: because think about it from Seattle standpoint, why do they
Speaker 1: have to? Seattle looks at it, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: whenever he shows up, you know, we're gonna we're only
Speaker 1: gonna get him for one more year anyway, So whenever
Speaker 1: he shows up, we'll get whatever he can give us
Speaker 1: and then we move on to next year. Think what
Speaker 1: needs to happen unless we can get a deal that
Speaker 1: makes us One of what needs to happen in this
Speaker 1: situation is the Seattle needs to allow the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: talk to him and his agent. That's what needs to happen.
Speaker 1: Because if you ask people, and I have done this,
Speaker 1: I've asked several well even yesterday, and I'm what's the
Speaker 1: hold up? What's the biggest issue? And the issue is
Speaker 1: they don't want to pay what Seattle wants for one year.
Speaker 1: They're afraid they might get him for one year point Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if they're gonna make this happen, if Seattle really
Speaker 1: wants the two you know, or that's that's what Seattle wants.
Speaker 1: Then they're gonna have to let the Cowboys have those
Speaker 1: discussions with his age. Gonna have to get permission so
Speaker 1: they can talk to the agent and they say, how
Speaker 1: close are we on the parameters of getting a long
Speaker 1: term deal, because if we if he's gonna sign here, Oh,
Speaker 1: I got a ranch here, I bought this house. I
Speaker 1: want to stay in Dallas where I want to be.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'll do this. Okay, they'll give the two
Speaker 1: That's what I believe. So I think, I think that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna have to happen, is that you can't do
Speaker 1: that until you get permission because you got tampering. You
Speaker 1: know what's funny there there's a precedent for this that
Speaker 1: involves the Seahawks that's less than a year old, which
Speaker 1: is Dwayne Brown. He held out for six weeks. He
Speaker 1: missed the first six games of last season before the
Speaker 1: Texans finally, I mean he reported and like two weeks
Speaker 1: later they traded him to Seattle and he I believe
Speaker 1: he just signed an extension with the Seahawks, which so
Speaker 1: his deal didn't come until after he changed teams. But
Speaker 1: he played it. He played hardball big time and what
Speaker 1: stops Earl from doing the like there's there's no real
Speaker 1: advantage for Earl showing up until he gets what he wants,
Speaker 1: or just to keep putting pressure on them because he
Speaker 1: knows that's not his long term. He seems stubborn enough,
Speaker 1: proud enough, and has enough money to where I won't
Speaker 1: be surprised if he's just like Seattle's making money off
Speaker 1: the deal because he's getting fined. Yeah. Absolutely, But that's
Speaker 1: my point. I think in this instance, I don't think
Speaker 1: he cares. Obviously he doesn't care because he's not there,
Speaker 1: And I think Seattle's like, unless we get the deal
Speaker 1: we want, it doesn't hurt us. So I think this
Speaker 1: is just that classic case where nobody has is compelled
Speaker 1: to say I will give more than I would normally
Speaker 1: give in order to get it done right, and that
Speaker 1: includes the Cowboys. For whatever reason, the Cowboys aren't I
Speaker 1: don't think, at this point willing to give more than
Speaker 1: where they where they've been. If the Seahawks were like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're not budging on the two, how about
Speaker 1: this year's three and then a future draft pick and
Speaker 1: not like a first or second, But if would you
Speaker 1: do that, like we want we want your twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: three and your twenty twenty three, right, something like that done.
Speaker 1: I'm just do it. I would just would you do
Speaker 1: next year's two straight up? Just next year's two? And yes,
Speaker 1: it feels just my decision. Yes, yes, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's worth it because I think you're going to get
Speaker 1: a player that, for the next three or four years,
Speaker 1: will be, if not the best player in your defense,
Speaker 1: one of the best players on your defense. And in
Speaker 1: a secondary where I feel really good about the young cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: you give them an experienced Pro Bowl caliber safety back there.
Speaker 1: I think it takes him from being a pretty good
Speaker 1: unit to maybe being a great unit. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's worth that spin. And I don't think he's even
Speaker 1: close to being done. Like he's twenty nine years old.
Speaker 1: Safeties can play for a while. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: great cornerbacks moved to safeties in the later safety and
Speaker 1: the later part of their careers. He's fine to get
Speaker 1: to continue playing. I would. I would do it, maybe
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind. What if Xavier Woods could
Speaker 1: be your third safety coming in and out in certain packs.
Speaker 1: Pretty good about that. His ability to play some slot
Speaker 1: corner This has to happen. I'm sorry, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happened. Does not see it
Speaker 1: happening this year, because I really believe because all those
Speaker 1: things I just said about about Earl Thomas, all those
Speaker 1: same things can still happen next year when he's a
Speaker 1: free agent. Right There's no reason why the Cowboys couldn't
Speaker 1: get him next year when he's a free agent. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to happen right now, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can still get what they want in the future, you know,
Speaker 1: just wasting a year of his prime. Well okay, I mean, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're building the team for the future,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm focused on this year. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, but I'm focused on this year. I might
Speaker 1: focused on next year. So this is the year. And
Speaker 1: if you have the ability or the chance to get
Speaker 1: a great player to be on the team, have proven
Speaker 1: one that you don't need to be developing or anything,
Speaker 1: then bringing him on. I mean, but whatever, why do
Speaker 1: I know? So let's just see what happens. This is
Speaker 1: still the waiting game. Amber takes it personally like she's
Speaker 1: just like they're not doing it because they want to
Speaker 1: piss me off, like, that's basically who does she learned
Speaker 1: that from? How do you not take it personal? You're here,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us. He gets mad if you care you
Speaker 1: take it personal? Well, no, no's not true. You feel
Speaker 1: part of the family you have you're so involved here,
Speaker 1: you're this is work. You do it every day, So
Speaker 1: it's work. It's a business. Earl Thomas wrote a story
Speaker 1: about it this morning. Can't get too involved, gotta this
Speaker 1: goes back to what we said yesterday, though. You know,
Speaker 1: they they made this move with Dez Bryant for multiple reasons,
Speaker 1: but one of them was the money. A financial part,
Speaker 1: and they admitted that. They said that, They said, this
Speaker 1: is a business. They cut him for those reasons. They said, now,
Speaker 1: locker room, yeah, that's probably part of it, but but
Speaker 1: it was it was also financial. So if it's financial
Speaker 1: and they wanted to save this money, then let's let's
Speaker 1: spend it on something that could be available. What upsets
Speaker 1: me is when there is something that you can't make
Speaker 1: it happen, or someone, let's say a player that you
Speaker 1: know has the ability or potential to do something and
Speaker 1: it doesn't do it. That's when it's upsetting to me.
Speaker 1: And that's why quotation mark, I take you personal. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this is a scenario like that. You know they
Speaker 1: can make this happen, okay, but what if what if
Speaker 1: in two weeks whatever, we play a couple of games
Speaker 1: here and all of a sudden, the Cowboys trade they
Speaker 1: land Earl Thomas Seattle for a third round pick, and
Speaker 1: then it was then it was a standoff. It was
Speaker 1: a standoff of you know, who's gonna who's gonna blink first,
Speaker 1: and they ended up getting what they wanted and for
Speaker 1: not you know, not giving up at three. So you
Speaker 1: know it's not over yet. It's not over. I mean,
Speaker 1: get upset or mad about it. In when the Ravens
Speaker 1: come in and they throw a two and it's over.
Speaker 1: And then they take it and they say, wow, this
Speaker 1: is good. We gotta two. He's not in the NFC anymore.
Speaker 1: He's over there. We don't have to play him. A
Speaker 1: good point I think could very well happened. So the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to have to have one of the
Speaker 1: strongest you know bids there. Well here's but here's also
Speaker 1: what has to happen as a part of that. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier with the Cowboys if there's that
Speaker 1: other team, they're going to be in a similar situation
Speaker 1: if they can't get him to sign a long term deal.
Speaker 1: And this is where it goes back to Earl. Thomas
Speaker 1: walked in the Cowboys, So so whatever other team might
Speaker 1: be out there, they have to be okay with the
Speaker 1: idea that we really might be rending him for one year.
Speaker 1: So whatever we're giving up is just for a year,
Speaker 1: and there's a good chance that he walks away from
Speaker 1: us because maybe he wants to go play a day.
Speaker 1: I think the team that makes the most sense to
Speaker 1: throw a second round pick at him is the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for two reasons. Number One, like you said, he walked
Speaker 1: into their locker room. I don't know if he's done
Speaker 1: that somewhere else. And number two, oh, I hope he's
Speaker 1: making that a week clear character just walks into everybody's
Speaker 1: locker room saying come get Yeah, you wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1: Oh he did he did that. He did that in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis whatever. St Louis, Yeah, years ago. No, Um,
Speaker 1: they make it makes sense for that reason and also
Speaker 1: the fact that the Cowboys really have have left a
Speaker 1: void there. They've left it. They definitely have left an
Speaker 1: experienced hole there at safety. Um, there's some players there,
Speaker 1: but they're not experienced. UM, so it would make sense
Speaker 1: for them to do that. Okay, before we go on break,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take a quick call from Reuben
Speaker 1: in Arlington. Reuben Hell, Hello, Hello, Hey, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask defense will this year and I'm just wondering because Mum,
Speaker 1: I've seen the defense on the Cowboy app and they're
Speaker 1: looking pretty good though, And you guys are awesome. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks, thank you. I like to think so
Speaker 1: well goes back, It goes back to the conversation we
Speaker 1: just had in the previous ten minutes. They could look
Speaker 1: really good if they made some moves. But as is,
Speaker 1: as you're asking the defense as is, I think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be solid. They cannot suffer any injuries, which
Speaker 1: that's hard to say because injuries always happened. UM. But
Speaker 1: I think that there's some key players there like Sean
Speaker 1: Lee and and Cheeto and DeMarcus Lawrence, probably not in
Speaker 1: that order, but those three guys right there that I mean,
Speaker 1: they have to play at a high level and keep
Speaker 1: them on the field. So yesterday we watched a very
Speaker 1: interesting practice. What I was just saying, y'all, what do
Speaker 1: y'all think about the defense? We've been talking? Oh? Great,
Speaker 1: just play, just playing what I just wanted to ask
Speaker 1: them a little different. I think they have a potential
Speaker 1: to be really good. We'll see if that actually happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: there was nothing else to be said than why you said.
Speaker 1: That's why I moved on. So you agree with that day? Yes, exactly. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to be more pesimistic, Nick, Do I have
Speaker 1: permission to move on? Wow? Thank you sir. Okay, we
Speaker 1: watched the fun practice yesterday and it was very interesting.
Speaker 1: So I want to go around the table and just
Speaker 1: hit on whatever stood out to you overall. So Derek,
Speaker 1: you want to start it off? Hmm, let's see. Um,
Speaker 1: the first thing I'll point well, the thing i'll point out,
Speaker 1: and this is probably gonna take one fro everybody else,
Speaker 1: because I thought it was a highlight of practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: but DeMarcus Lawrence in the one on one drills, um,
Speaker 1: and I actually didn't see it live. I was actually
Speaker 1: watching the linebackers and tight end and a couple other
Speaker 1: offensive because a couple of other players in the seven
Speaker 1: on seven. But during the one on one. De Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence lined up against every offensive lineman on the first
Speaker 1: team except um Martin, Frederick, No, no, he want against
Speaker 1: Frederick except for Martin and and basically one against everybody.
Speaker 1: Well Frederick, he kind of does a draw. The first
Speaker 1: time he beat him. The second time, Um, I think
Speaker 1: Collins played him pretty well. M Collins kind of get him.
Speaker 1: But he the first time, and then the second time
Speaker 1: he snatched him out of his shoes. As Nate said,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was pretty pretty interesting interesting
Speaker 1: what he did. But he went around Tyron. That was
Speaker 1: the most important thing. But as he did it, literally
Speaker 1: he started with tyron. And if you notice how those
Speaker 1: drills go, like you have, the tackles will go and
Speaker 1: then they'll move in and they'll be a guard and
Speaker 1: a guard and then they kind of go down the
Speaker 1: line all the way. Well he would he started with tyron. Uh,
Speaker 1: then they moved to a guard working against another offensive guard.
Speaker 1: And then what they did was he jumped in to
Speaker 1: to go against that guard, and then another person would
Speaker 1: go and then he jumped in to go against the center,
Speaker 1: and then he moved in and so he went all
Speaker 1: the way down the line. Martin was the only person
Speaker 1: he didn't go against. But I thought it was pretty
Speaker 1: remarkable Number one, because it shows his versatility and how
Speaker 1: he can move up and down the line. But the
Speaker 1: fact that he actually won a fair number of those
Speaker 1: with the reps that he was doing too. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just shows you this guy's locked in right now.
Speaker 1: He is He is playing as well as anybody out
Speaker 1: here during training camp, and I'm very, very excited to
Speaker 1: see what we can do this season. We all I
Speaker 1: always say, you know, real football is not like Madden.
Speaker 1: You can't just like you know, you don't just magically
Speaker 1: jump a few numbers in the stats during the off season,
Speaker 1: and guys aren't just magically back up to speed when
Speaker 1: they come back from injury. But it always is fascinating,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it a few times in my career
Speaker 1: here where like you can just see a guy making
Speaker 1: a jump as a player. And DeMarcus wouldn't have done
Speaker 1: that last year, and he certainly wouldn't have done in
Speaker 1: the years before that, but he just he looks like
Speaker 1: a different person. A few days ago, John Mashoda, my buddy,
Speaker 1: got a video of it during individual drills. He was
Speaker 1: working on fake spin moves like the one DeMarcus Ware
Speaker 1: did to Joe Staley back in the back class day
Speaker 1: like three years ago. But he just his and he
Speaker 1: was talking about it too. His repertoire is like he's
Speaker 1: I think he said he's got like more than fifteen
Speaker 1: different moves. I didn't know there were that many moves.
Speaker 1: Like he's just he is making that leap, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 1: have fifteen sacks this year, but he is just on
Speaker 1: another level than the guy that we thought we knew
Speaker 1: even just a year ago. Yeah, all right, let's take
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Speaker 1: before the break, Derek gave us his highlight of practice,
Speaker 1: and now Dave he's gonna give us his highlight, good
Speaker 1: or bad whatever he was. I tweeted about this last
Speaker 1: night and it might totally be a knee jerk reaction
Speaker 1: on my part, but specifically from a blocking standpoint, I'm
Speaker 1: not sold on these tight ends, and nothing I have
Speaker 1: seen at practice has convinced me otherwise. I think, can
Speaker 1: I can I interrupt real quickly? Yeah? Sure, So you
Speaker 1: only talked for the last ten minutes. The reason why
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, don't give away too much because that's
Speaker 1: our topic tomorrow. We're gonna talk about these tight ends,
Speaker 1: So don't give away too much. All right, Fine, I'll
Speaker 1: just this. I'm not I'm not hating on Jeff swam.
Speaker 1: I think the world of Jeff Swayin. In his first
Speaker 1: padded practice as a pro, Dalton Schultz got dumped on
Speaker 1: his ass by Damian Wilson in a manner that I
Speaker 1: haven't seen many times before in a pro practice. And
Speaker 1: he came from a little bit, he came from Stanford.
Speaker 1: And the line is that he's, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: blocking tight end, which I mean, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to bury the guy just yet, but I just
Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to add a veteran tight end just
Speaker 1: because it's true. I mean, he just had a baby.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hate. I just life just had
Speaker 1: a baby, more so than a lot of cool stuff
Speaker 1: happened at practice yesterday. That when I saw that, I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, it was like a posterization. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really a nice welcoming. It was cool to
Speaker 1: see Damian Wilson's first highlight with the Cowboys. Who's that name?
Speaker 1: Another highlight that he's had? Really there are now. It
Speaker 1: was not very competitive there. It's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: compete drill, and it didn't help that the whole team
Speaker 1: was watching there. Um. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: talked about it. It It was it was a really really
Speaker 1: nice catch by Terrence Williams that he made it. He
Speaker 1: had a couple of nice plays, but but his catching
Speaker 1: front of two people. I believe it was one handed too.
Speaker 1: It was like it was really a nice play. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was down the field too. It was about
Speaker 1: thirty yards down the field, so um it was it
Speaker 1: was his best practice. Uh and it you know, it
Speaker 1: probably happened because of Alan Hearn's you know not um
Speaker 1: not being out there. I guess he had like a
Speaker 1: veteran day, So yeah he did. I thought one of
Speaker 1: you was going to mention Michael Gallup. He had a
Speaker 1: great day. He did. It was on fired yesterday. The
Speaker 1: interesting thing was, I didn't as I went back and
Speaker 1: thought about it, I couldn't remember specific moments, but I
Speaker 1: just thought overall, he looked really good out there right
Speaker 1: um two minute drill when they were on the move
Speaker 1: trying to get into field goal range, and he made
Speaker 1: a nice catch on the sideline, got his feet down
Speaker 1: and almost took out Mickey. About our feature back Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott in the red zone, they gave him. He got
Speaker 1: the ball four different times. They threw him a screen pass,
Speaker 1: they threw him an angle route, they gave him a
Speaker 1: he went off right tackle and then on the four
Speaker 1: yard line, first and goal, they handed it right up
Speaker 1: the middle and he scored. They said he didn't score
Speaker 1: because he's not there's no tackling. He would have scored
Speaker 1: out of my mind. Yeah, that's one thing I don't
Speaker 1: like about the defense and offense part of these padded
Speaker 1: or these padded practices. But even when they're not hitting,
Speaker 1: a lot of times a defensive player will come up
Speaker 1: right up there and he'd be like, oh, that makes
Speaker 1: some noise. I'm like, you wouldn't have tackled Zeke like
Speaker 1: you guys met at the twenty five yard line. The
Speaker 1: ball is gonna be on the twenty one. There's no
Speaker 1: way you're gonna just bring him down right there when
Speaker 1: he's going full speed, if you're going to tackle them
Speaker 1: at all. But they don't ever account for that, which
Speaker 1: is fine. You know sometimes like these these guys will
Speaker 1: blitz and then they'll like touch the quarterbacks back that sack. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I've seen that a thousand times, like just touching the guy.
Speaker 1: Actually the Terrence one handed catch. Cony Eely had a
Speaker 1: shot at Dak, but I'm gonna give Dak the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. I've seen him right, seen him resist
Speaker 1: full speed pass rushers before. I think he could have
Speaker 1: gotten away. Can I throw out this question real quick? Nick,
Speaker 1: maybe think about this because we haven't really talked about this,
Speaker 1: I don't think. But you talk about Zeke and his ability,
Speaker 1: like you try to take him down the middle of Phil,
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna carry you a little bit. How much
Speaker 1: do you think this new rule in the NFL when
Speaker 1: it comes to luring your head affects a guy like
Speaker 1: Zeke who is a power back. He's got some speed.
Speaker 1: But he's a power back. He will hit you. How
Speaker 1: much do you think that's gonna affect them? Do you
Speaker 1: expect him to be one of the guys ends up
Speaker 1: with one of these penalties this season? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. Depends on how much they call it,
Speaker 1: and I think certain crews will probably call it more
Speaker 1: than others. But you're really asking, you know, they're trying
Speaker 1: to prevent, you know, concussions and and obviously the of
Speaker 1: safety of the team. But um, you you bring it.
Speaker 1: How many running backs have you ever seen? There are six? Three?
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't happen much. You don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of running backs that run straight up like that
Speaker 1: because they're gonna get hit, so natural instincts are to
Speaker 1: kind of crawl down like that, ball up and get down.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I don't something's gonna give here.
Speaker 1: Because you just come running straight like that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get You're gonna get hurt as well, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't. I hopefully they don't
Speaker 1: call that as much, you know, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta and they say you got a nose for
Speaker 1: the nose for the goal line. I mean where that's
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're like loading your head and get
Speaker 1: in there. It's I don't know, they wear helmets right.
Speaker 1: One could be wrong, but I'm I just I believe
Speaker 1: this rule is going to have a major impact on
Speaker 1: the game when I see it happen. Because it happened,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying because well, they did something like this
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Me and Nick have talked about it.
Speaker 1: I we you know, every year they show us a
Speaker 1: video of the new rules, and I remember, uh, you
Speaker 1: know that it was kind of like a baby version
Speaker 1: of this, where like if the running back was inside
Speaker 1: the tackle box and he lowered his head and used
Speaker 1: his head first, it was going to be a penalty.
Speaker 1: And they showed a bunch of clips from Trent Richardson
Speaker 1: because that's how he used to run. And they never
Speaker 1: called it because that doesn't happen that often in all honesty, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you take contact to your head. You don't lead with
Speaker 1: your head that often, I don't think, and if you do,
Speaker 1: I think that can be corrected. You know, you try
Speaker 1: to ward people off with your hand, with your shoulder,
Speaker 1: maybe your helmet takes contact just because it's a physical sport.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that common to see a
Speaker 1: running back genuinely lead with his head like actually try to,
Speaker 1: you know, bowl people. But the only problem with that
Speaker 1: is I think that when you when you're running and
Speaker 1: you lean down to lead with your shoulder, and we've
Speaker 1: seen this with the hits that come to from defensive
Speaker 1: backs to receivers, you lean down to give him a shoulder.
Speaker 1: But because of the way things kind of work out,
Speaker 1: now there's helmet contact. How I guess my point is,
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll call it that, don't think because
Speaker 1: when it's in a situation of a safety or a
Speaker 1: cornerback making a hit like that, it's bang bang contact,
Speaker 1: Whereas when you know you're running you kind of see
Speaker 1: the hit line up a little bit more. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about a running back, you have more time to
Speaker 1: brace for it. And I just I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think the refs will be that strict with it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I really think this is a lot
Speaker 1: of hand ringing about something that's not going to matter
Speaker 1: that much. That's just getting way too peaky. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get the reasoning behind it, but to be able
Speaker 1: to watch that and see and call it every time,
Speaker 1: and especially when you're trying to get those extra yards,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lean like that with your body to get those.
Speaker 1: So DeMarco Murray had a play against the Eagles a
Speaker 1: few years ago when he was with the Cowboys, but
Speaker 1: he really kind of leaned in and struck the linebacker
Speaker 1: and knocked him down. And that was a play. It
Speaker 1: was very noticeable and you could tell he was he
Speaker 1: kind of targeted him. And if that happens that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's one that you'll call. But I just
Speaker 1: don't see, you know, somebody catching at eight yards third
Speaker 1: and eight or third and ten and then having to
Speaker 1: die for the goal. And I just don't see them
Speaker 1: calling it like that. Agreed, Which, yeah, that would that
Speaker 1: would get called, and DeMarco did do that from time
Speaker 1: to time, but it wasn't something that happened every time
Speaker 1: you touch the ball. So, okay, let's jump into our
Speaker 1: main topic of the day, which, as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: it was linebacker. Yesterday, we all got a chance to
Speaker 1: watch all the linebacker group and we know the Cowboys
Speaker 1: spent their first round pick this year on a linebacker
Speaker 1: late in vendoresh And we've talked about how kind of
Speaker 1: difficult it is to evaluate this guy is out here
Speaker 1: just because of the whole thing where you can you're
Speaker 1: not really tackling or anything. So let's just go over
Speaker 1: each guy. I'm gonna start. If that's okay, it's just
Speaker 1: like make sure and get I mean, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: your host next time. Cool, that's cool. Actually that's a
Speaker 1: good idea. Why don't you hose tomorrow? Okay? Sounds good? Um?
Speaker 1: Can I start? Is that good? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: grabbing my wheels still still my point? Um, you don't
Speaker 1: even know what the question was, but go ahead, what's
Speaker 1: the question? Let me got a all right? Um? Actually
Speaker 1: in the Star of the Day that that I wrote
Speaker 1: about was Joe Thomas. I think I think he actually
Speaker 1: is doing a really nice job on UM in pass coverage.
Speaker 1: He's replacing Sean Lee who's not practiced yet in the
Speaker 1: padded UH practices, and they're showing some some depth there.
Speaker 1: Obviously last year when Sean Lee went down, UH, that
Speaker 1: was one of the three guys they really did not
Speaker 1: have an answer for from the defensive prospective. So Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas has come in here, and I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be a player that that he'll get on the
Speaker 1: field at some point. But at least they're showing them
Speaker 1: that they've got some depth there behind Sean. If they
Speaker 1: need to do that, he's got good. He might actually
Speaker 1: play something in the diamond the nickel because he seems
Speaker 1: like he can cover the tight ends, at least these
Speaker 1: tight ends. Uh. It is hard to evaluate linebackers because
Speaker 1: it's such a physical position and these are not physical practices,
Speaker 1: you know, compared to real football. But the scouting report
Speaker 1: on Layton Vanderesh is that he's good in coverage and
Speaker 1: he has shown glimpses of that out here. He's had
Speaker 1: some really nice plays. He broke up a pass and
Speaker 1: seven on seven yesterday. The day before that the justin
Speaker 1: March Lillard pick six that we talked about where Chris
Speaker 1: Richard was so excited he broke that up. It was
Speaker 1: a tight end. I want to say it was Blake Jarwin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh got in there and punched that ball out.
Speaker 1: He has shown some ability there, which ironically he gave
Speaker 1: up the touchdown to Dalton Schultz on the last play
Speaker 1: a practice yesterday. But what did he do. When that
Speaker 1: was over, he was out there with the goat Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath working on angles and pursuit and stuff like that
Speaker 1: for probably ten fifteen solid minutes after practice. So he's
Speaker 1: showing glimpses of his athleticism is off the charts, and
Speaker 1: if he knows where to be, I think he could
Speaker 1: be really good in that record. Do you think won
Speaker 1: the battle? It was a compete battle between him and
Speaker 1: jamaz Ola. Wally called it a tie. I mean they
Speaker 1: they were definitely locked in for about like three seconds
Speaker 1: and then he he eventually you know, ripped him and
Speaker 1: got to the quarterback. But I would think ball would
Speaker 1: have been gone by now. I mean, I think Garrett
Speaker 1: actually gave it to Olda Wally. I think he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was it was a physical hit where you're like,
Speaker 1: I feel good about the linebacker being able to go
Speaker 1: in here and do that. I feel good about OLDA
Speaker 1: Walley being able to kind of stand there and watch.
Speaker 1: Forty five seconds before that, Dalton Schultz got thrown like
Speaker 1: a sack of laundry. That was probably Yeah, you were like,
Speaker 1: oh man, somebody's got a hey. Good for him, well,
Speaker 1: good for one, good for that. Watch Dalton Schultz today
Speaker 1: and see if I watched yesterday, I know he he
Speaker 1: he finished strong. He caught a touchdown at the end
Speaker 1: of practice. Yeah, but I honestly, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to get too far and tight ends. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that tomorrow, but there. I just think right now tight
Speaker 1: end position has some work to do. Of all the
Speaker 1: positions on the team, that's the position I think right
Speaker 1: now they got they need some work. Yes, we knew
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was was really good. We knew he was good.
Speaker 1: Some people called him great when he played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: When he left the Cowboys, you really saw, you know
Speaker 1: how how great he wasn't how he made other players great. Now,
Speaker 1: Dak they had that that awesome year. I kind of
Speaker 1: think Romo they would have had an awesome year as well.
Speaker 1: We're seeing Dez isn't the same without him. The offense
Speaker 1: wasn't the same. Definitely in twenty fifteen. We're gonna see
Speaker 1: that by leaps and bounds with the tight end position.
Speaker 1: We're seeing it now. There's no yeah, yes, good good
Speaker 1: play by by Schultz there to make a catch in
Speaker 1: the red zone, but he got dumped on his ascid blocking.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's good hit at this and Jarwin
Speaker 1: can block, but he's not really good out here. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what Rico can do yet, but Witton
Speaker 1: could just do it all. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. We were spoiled. I think we
Speaker 1: definitely talked about it. Like day one in pads, Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin got dumped by Charles Tapper too, like it's not
Speaker 1: just Alton Schultz like these guys particularly, And that's that's
Speaker 1: my point. I think all these guys can catch the
Speaker 1: ball and Swam can block a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's I wouldn't describe him as a blocking
Speaker 1: tight end, but the blocking is what concerns me, especially
Speaker 1: for a team that has liked to use tight ends
Speaker 1: to blocks that you got to get a new tight end,
Speaker 1: guys up tomorrow. We're just doing something else. You will
Speaker 1: pick another position to talk about tomorrow. Let's just keep
Speaker 1: going with it, the three flowing conversation. Stop trying to
Speaker 1: about Earl Thomas every every single seriously. I mean, there
Speaker 1: isn't a lot to talk about there though, and we
Speaker 1: just did it. We'll talk about the tight ends tomorrow
Speaker 1: and hopefully after today's practice, they can get over the average.
Speaker 1: Right now, you want you have something more to say
Speaker 1: about the linebackers. I mean, we've talked about the one person.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about Jay and I actually spent some time
Speaker 1: watching Jalen yesterday and I wanted to see more than
Speaker 1: anything else. Again, when you're out here practice, you can't
Speaker 1: really tell the linebacker like you but both of you
Speaker 1: guys are said, But what what I was looking for
Speaker 1: is how fluid he looks. Is he reacting quickly when
Speaker 1: he has to make a cut and go in another direction?
Speaker 1: Can he do that without looking as though he's lumbering
Speaker 1: to bring that leg along? And to me, again, I'm
Speaker 1: not a scout, I'm not a coach, but to me,
Speaker 1: he looked like he's pretty fluid. It looks much better
Speaker 1: than he looked last year in my opinion. What that
Speaker 1: means for the season, who knows. But at this point,
Speaker 1: right now, what I'm seeing, he looks a lot different
Speaker 1: than he looks three hundred and sixty five days ago.
Speaker 1: When we were out here and he was trying to
Speaker 1: move around, it wasn't quite looking as fluid as my
Speaker 1: developing theory, and it won't be this clear cut, because
Speaker 1: just like offense, you can't be so one dimensional that
Speaker 1: you're tipping off the defense, like I mean, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, it can't be so to one
Speaker 1: dimensional you're tipping off the other team. So if Jalen's
Speaker 1: only in there on running downs, the offense is going
Speaker 1: to throw. But I just think they're working it to
Speaker 1: a point where Layton vander esh can deal with the
Speaker 1: passing aspects, so to speak, and Jalen Smith looks like
Speaker 1: he could really be great as like an early down linebacker.
Speaker 1: I know you want more than that, and I think
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing more than that, but I think
Speaker 1: that's a great place to start. That's what I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you. How do you expect the Kyle
Speaker 1: voice to utilize both of them? I just it's so
Speaker 1: much fun to think about. I think about it more
Speaker 1: than anything else. I don't know about that we'll think
Speaker 1: about the linebacker position in terms of the team, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: I just I just think it's fascinating. You have so
Speaker 1: much talent there and uh and and every time we
Speaker 1: talk to him about it that you're like, well, we
Speaker 1: can find time for all of these guys to play,
Speaker 1: and so if it's If it's third and twelve, I
Speaker 1: bet you Layton vander esh will be playing linebacker. And
Speaker 1: if it's third and three, I bet it'll be Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: And you can Jalen's been doing more blitzing than he
Speaker 1: did last year, and that's I think that is a
Speaker 1: hallmark of Chris rah Shard. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: if it carries over to the season because Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: is notorious for not blitzing, and that gives you an
Speaker 1: idea of how much influenced Chris rah Shard has. If
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they start doing that to a
Speaker 1: much higher degree, so pressuring the quarterback being near the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I think Jalen can do a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I think he could play Sam in
Speaker 1: a lot of situations. Um, you know, a part of
Speaker 1: the the blitzing stuff too. And this is why I
Speaker 1: think Christopher Chard is gonna have a big factor into this.
Speaker 1: Is that you have bigger cornerbacks now that are longer,
Speaker 1: that are more physical. They're gonna get in your face.
Speaker 1: You trust them more to blitz. You can blitz more
Speaker 1: people because it's like I'll trust you for one or
Speaker 1: two seconds because we're gonna be close, we're gonna be physical,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna give you anything right off the bat.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll send three or four more guys there
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have to rush you quickly. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna get beat in two seconds. You know, we might
Speaker 1: get beaten four or five, but not two. And I
Speaker 1: think that's that style that Chris Schard wants to play.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be more conducive to blitzing a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And that's honestly why I thinking we talk about it
Speaker 1: a lot on the show. It's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I think this team has not gotten as many
Speaker 1: interceptions over the last how many years, is because I
Speaker 1: don't think they play the type of defense that will
Speaker 1: lend itself to that. They don't let the cornerbacks really
Speaker 1: play physical and send the extra pressure. So quarterback has
Speaker 1: to get it out quick, sometimes get it out before
Speaker 1: he's ready, sometimes get it out off target. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: receivers and where you're supposed to be. All those things
Speaker 1: turn into picks. I don't think they do that enough
Speaker 1: and give themselves those and give themselves those kinds of opportunities.
Speaker 1: Now you can get beat on that, but I think
Speaker 1: you also give yourself some chance for some turnovers that
Speaker 1: that they haven't really been able to get. Where do
Speaker 1: you think that the power Have you seen power rankings
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys overall, like you mean like ESPN? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like, oh this is where they are not really
Speaker 1: like my guess is their middle of the league. I
Speaker 1: saw actually sixteen Yeah yeah, Yahoo Sports. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're even done with it, but they do like a
Speaker 1: team a day starting with thirty two and going up
Speaker 1: to one. And I think the Cowboys were fourteen, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirteen that sounds okay, yeah, just just making the trade.
Speaker 1: Like we talked about, you put him in on this defense.
Speaker 1: Where do you think where do you think that the
Speaker 1: rankings would be? Then I think immediately they would damp
Speaker 1: probably three spots. I did too, I think eight nine.
Speaker 1: I think they'll jump three. You look at this this
Speaker 1: defense now and you and just think of you know,
Speaker 1: you got Heath that you would have Thomas, you'd have
Speaker 1: you know, the Byron and Cheeto, the linebackers that you,
Speaker 1: like you said, got the talent, got a one of
Speaker 1: the top five pass rushers maybe in the league. Problem,
Speaker 1: the problem and that's their weak side of the ball.
Speaker 1: As we've talked about the Broder and special teams, guys
Speaker 1: that are really good. And then you got an offense
Speaker 1: that's from a from a national perspective, which I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree is usually three steps behind us.
Speaker 1: Not to pat us on the back too much, but
Speaker 1: I think the questions on the offense are big enough
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't drastically change anybody's opinion. It would still
Speaker 1: be is that going to be good? And who's catching
Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah? But the difference is the difference is
Speaker 1: because everybody respects this offensive line and respects this running game.
Speaker 1: If they feel like this defense can actually be a
Speaker 1: defense that can get stops, it does change their opinion
Speaker 1: on the team overall. It would be why it would
Speaker 1: be wild if the Dallas Cowboys, who have been middling
Speaker 1: to bad on defense as long as I can remember, like,
Speaker 1: were contenders because of their defense and their run. That'd
Speaker 1: be a whole different thing. Whole different thing. But those
Speaker 1: are the two ingredients. If you can put them together
Speaker 1: and creates a team that actually can contend in the NFL,
Speaker 1: you know, all you have to do is ways with
Speaker 1: it draft back that you took to have an escabar
Speaker 1: with you. Let's not make it that simple. You still
Speaker 1: gotta get your linebackers to play to the potentially say
Speaker 1: you still got to get the cornerback. Let us. You
Speaker 1: won't let us talk about linebackers like that was your
Speaker 1: idea and you won't let us do it. You know,
Speaker 1: we just got derailed like so hard. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, all right, we just spend the
Speaker 1: whole break. Nick and Derek have been arguing about what
Speaker 1: they would arguing as harsh for this trade to get
Speaker 1: that safety over here, and we don't need to get
Speaker 1: back into it. But Nick, honestly, I mean it shifted.
Speaker 1: Do you have a says it just shifted to oh
Speaker 1: what Basically what I was saying is it mightn't take
Speaker 1: more than our draft pick. It might take a player.
Speaker 1: Then it's like, yeah, play which player? Um and one
Speaker 1: of y'all throughout? Would you would you include Heath in
Speaker 1: the deal, and I'm like, no, I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: that because now I feel like I could be back
Speaker 1: to square one. Yes, my safety is gonna be better
Speaker 1: than with Tom. So that's the deal breaker. If I
Speaker 1: got to part with Heath. Now I'm out. I don't
Speaker 1: have that one thing. I don't have to part. If
Speaker 1: they liked him and they said, what'll get us to
Speaker 1: do this, we will do that third round that you
Speaker 1: talked about. But you gotta give us heat. And you're
Speaker 1: saying that's your deal breaker. That's what he was saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's other ways to do I don't. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: like Jeff, that's not my deal break. My safety position
Speaker 1: is here and I want to take it here. Now
Speaker 1: it's like, well, now we're gonna be back to here.
Speaker 1: It's not not. If you got Earl Thomas, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be back down here. Let me finish. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring it up, but I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: bring it up a little bit more than what it was.
Speaker 1: Golden State's not trying to give up Curry to get cousins.
Speaker 1: They want cousins with all of them. They want them
Speaker 1: all did just compare the greatest three point shooter at
Speaker 1: basketball history. Yes, okay, well the goat. Then I'm saying
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to just rob Peter to pay Paul.
Speaker 1: I want all of them to play. I will gladly, well,
Speaker 1: gladly employ Earl Thomas and let Cavan Fraser figure it
Speaker 1: out as strong safety. I would, It's fine, I would.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do that. We can keep arguing
Speaker 1: about this. Give him Bruce Carter. Bruce Carter, Yeah, second
Speaker 1: round pick, you give up Jalen Smith in his knee injury.
Speaker 1: You give up second round pick because you're you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but in this scenario, you now have two second round picks,
Speaker 1: which means I like your odds of hitting on one
Speaker 1: of them, because they got a good track record like
Speaker 1: every other year or the second round picks not bad.
Speaker 1: So if they can do it in one year, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do it, all right, Yeah, we'll see. Let's
Speaker 1: take a call from Tim in Boston. Hey, guys, thanks
Speaker 1: taking my Callie appreciate Nick. I'm one hund Just do
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do to get Earl Thomas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but give up uh yeah, yeah that's tough. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that but you know what, Seattle's gonna lose
Speaker 1: him anyways, and they know they're gonna lose him. A
Speaker 1: second round pick should get this deal done. Like you said,
Speaker 1: I agree that we should have the opportunity to negotiate
Speaker 1: with his Asian him. But UM, I'm with you one
Speaker 1: hundred ten percent on that. But the other thing was
Speaker 1: is the position that I'm really concerned about is defensive tackle. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I runs a good. I think a linebacker
Speaker 1: is a good. I think our secondary is solid. I
Speaker 1: think that if we bring the guy from Seattle here,
Speaker 1: I think we get instant credibility. Um, why hasn't Why
Speaker 1: haven't we spent more resources and assets at defensive tackle?
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman Brian brought us. Um, they can play the
Speaker 1: draft show. They always talked about defensive tackles and Dave's
Speaker 1: more of Dave's most common you know quotes is until
Speaker 1: this team spends the resource. Um, you know they then
Speaker 1: he would do even talk about a guy. Why don't
Speaker 1: they do that? Don't you think it's time hurt us now?
Speaker 1: And you think that that that philosophy is starting to
Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, I'll listen to you guys, off hit.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So explain to me. Explain to me, though,
Speaker 1: how how's it? How's it hurt them? At this point,
Speaker 1: I say, I disagree with the point because I kind
Speaker 1: of get the point. I just want to explain why.
Speaker 1: How is how is what they've done so far a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle hurt them? I just well, it's in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. I guess you could argue it
Speaker 1: hasn't hurt them because their defenses have been all right, slash,
Speaker 1: not that bad, but they're the talent at defensive tackle
Speaker 1: has been lacking basically the whole time I've been covering
Speaker 1: this team, Like, look everywhere else, they've never addressed it.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence with a high DeMarcus Lawrences pick thirty four,
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton has picked twenty eight. Tyrone Crawford is pick
Speaker 1: eighty one. Uh. Gregory Randy Gregory's pick sixty. Coney Ely
Speaker 1: was picked sixty in his draft. And then you got
Speaker 1: Malie Collins, who, to their credit, he was picked sixty seven. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then like in terms of like guys that they
Speaker 1: have brought in themselves, Daytone Jones was a first round
Speaker 1: pick for the Packers six years ago, but they have
Speaker 1: not spent those resources. They just haven't done it. And
Speaker 1: I think the reason why is Marinelli doesn't That's not
Speaker 1: the type of player he's trying to he's trying to
Speaker 1: bring in for the in the first round. I think
Speaker 1: he looks at it like, we can get other guys
Speaker 1: in there. We can get you know, underdog type players
Speaker 1: that can go up there and which lay well. Not
Speaker 1: only that, I mean, if we want to get deep
Speaker 1: into the draft weeds, we can. Stephen Jones said it
Speaker 1: the combine and he caused a huge tizzie when he
Speaker 1: did it. That like there there is not a pure
Speaker 1: one technique that they would put a first round grade on.
Speaker 1: They just won't do it. And that's you know, Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: if y'all remember him, the Washington the monstrous d tackle.
Speaker 1: You know, they said, well, we think he can do both,
Speaker 1: so we give him a first round grade. But a
Speaker 1: guy that's purely just a run stuffer. They don't value
Speaker 1: that position. They set it themselves. And he's in Tampa.
Speaker 1: I think he was like a top ten pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: Cowboys twelve overall talk on draft night that he would
Speaker 1: they wanted him, they would, they could maybe move up
Speaker 1: to get him if he had if he falls, if
Speaker 1: he had fallen, they certainly might have done something. But again,
Speaker 1: that's because they saw him as a penetrating type of
Speaker 1: defensive tackle as well. Whereas it kind of goes back
Speaker 1: to my point again, Sorry, if we're getting into the draft, weeds,
Speaker 1: but everybody was like, you know, they don't want Taco
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have those right side end characteristics. You
Speaker 1: gotta gotta come off the right side like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: and Ba Bah. That's why they traded up for DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence because he was the last right end in that
Speaker 1: class that they really thought could make a difference. Well,
Speaker 1: what if you just draft a good left end? You're like, again,
Speaker 1: I know people dog him because he could have been
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, but like greg Ellis was a good, solid
Speaker 1: defensive end. Maybe he didn't live up to the hype
Speaker 1: of a first round pick, but like, you need those
Speaker 1: type of players too, You need those guys, and that's
Speaker 1: you need a good one technique. Just because he doesn't
Speaker 1: get sacked doesn't mean sacks doesn't mean he's not good.
Speaker 1: That's always driven me crazy, But I do think this,
Speaker 1: I think there's a distinction has to be made between
Speaker 1: one technique and three technique, because I think you can
Speaker 1: get a good, solid one technique without spending the highest
Speaker 1: draft pick that you have in order to do it.
Speaker 1: Three technique, on the other hand, I think it's a
Speaker 1: whole different story. So if you just talk about tackles,
Speaker 1: like you look at the defenses in the league. To
Speaker 1: have a a really a stud three technique, you look
Speaker 1: at a guy like Aaron Down to look a guy
Speaker 1: like Fletcher Cox, it makes a difference for the whole defense.
Speaker 1: You give me the best one technique in the league,
Speaker 1: doesn't really change their defense dramatically. I would argue that
Speaker 1: if Snax Harrison was on this team, it would make
Speaker 1: a dramatic difference. Yes, which to your point, it helps.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it. I'm gonna make a point
Speaker 1: for you. He wasn't undrafted free age. There you go.
Speaker 1: But like, obviously that's it's like a winning a lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: Like they haven't had their best one technique in this
Speaker 1: era has probably been Nick hayden Is. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: What is Sean Lee's biggest issue? Okay, well, keep these
Speaker 1: big guys off of him. With a big guy up front,
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't we ever try that route? Now
Speaker 1: I know he's not in the middle anymore, but still
Speaker 1: you're worried about the health of that. Then you're talking
Speaker 1: about the conceptually how they play defense. That's not how
Speaker 1: they're asking their play. But if you get a big,
Speaker 1: big guys up front that not not these quick All
Speaker 1: they're trying to do is just get trying to Okay,
Speaker 1: but people run in this league. When they run and
Speaker 1: they push those guys off the ball, uman you, well,
Speaker 1: he'd be a good three. What's this movement one? Okay,
Speaker 1: Millie Collins can't play also, so get rid of the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator because this is the the court, this is
Speaker 1: the defense. I mean, that's my point. Like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: what you're saying, what you're saying is change the philosophy.
Speaker 1: And that's a different conversation then than change the personal.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna play three four next year, That's what
Speaker 1: I think I do. Tell them me on that. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I'm buying yet, that's kind of that's kind
Speaker 1: of mind. Close to three four. You're getting closer than
Speaker 1: you you have been in a while. If you wanted
Speaker 1: to go there, let's save that for another day, but
Speaker 1: tomorrow it's kind of caller. The caller kind of made
Speaker 1: my point for me, which is it's a lot like,
Speaker 1: you know, why are we whinding about Scotland and being
Speaker 1: here in August? That bed is made. And it's the
Speaker 1: same thing with defense, Like I don't even like talking
Speaker 1: about it because as long as Rod Marinelli's calling the shots,
Speaker 1: that's how they're going to play it. It's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. And that's I said it all during
Speaker 1: the spring is like we can talk about Vita Veatil
Speaker 1: we're blue in the face. I refuse to believe he's
Speaker 1: going to be on this team until it happens, and
Speaker 1: that goes for anything else, which I got my problems
Speaker 1: with it. I'm with Nick. I think Malie Collins should
Speaker 1: be playing three technique. I agree with that. I hate
Speaker 1: to insinuate that I know more about pass rushing than
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli because I absolutely don't. But he had a
Speaker 1: great rookie year and not so great second year because
Speaker 1: of that positions which I didn't like it. Factor in
Speaker 1: the fact that you can't count on David Irving, and
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of reasons to feel great
Speaker 1: about that position. I completely agree with him. Even if
Speaker 1: Jihad Ward and Diatone Jones or Diamonds in the rough,
Speaker 1: which they very well could be, it's not enough. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. Shout out Brian Price, though he's
Speaker 1: he's flashed still. Like Brian Price, I've been saying since
Speaker 1: last year, I think maybe maybe they don't like he
Speaker 1: might be the best thing they have in a one
Speaker 1: technique right in terms of and so maybe if he
Speaker 1: can keep it up, maybe he can be your trash
Speaker 1: can of dirt let Malik, and when David Irving comes back,
Speaker 1: he can do the same health I mean, don't hit
Speaker 1: that play we saw Frederick just yeah, yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna win every play. Not asking you to win
Speaker 1: every play, I'm asking not to get smashed to the ground.
Speaker 1: Brian Price absolutely returned the favor yesterday. He threw Travis
Speaker 1: Rerecord to the ground. Yeah he did, just saying yeah,
Speaker 1: I usually don't see Travis on the ground, and when
Speaker 1: I saw him, my damn Price. Probably I think Price
Speaker 1: is a legit one technique. He's probably the best one
Speaker 1: technique you got on this team right now. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yes, even and I don't
Speaker 1: think Malik is a particularly effective one. So even if
Speaker 1: Malik was practicing, I think Brian Price might better. I agree.
Speaker 1: What about miss Price, I hadn't heard her yet. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard her either. He thinks he's a one technique. Jeez,
Speaker 1: all right, Well here's a question from Twitter. And since
Speaker 1: we've been talking about everything on the team, let's just
Speaker 1: might as well hit defensive end. Randy Gregory. He still
Speaker 1: hasn't practice with the team, but he's active now and
Speaker 1: we've seen him kind of doing his little workouts. One nick,
Speaker 1: he talks to thee my God, like, can I finish
Speaker 1: saying anything. Let's go, let's get let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. He talks a little bit about his um
Speaker 1: um weight. He says, my weight is like Lebron James's hair.
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't. I don't talk about its fleeting.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it. I just say he can't
Speaker 1: keep it. He goes, I'm too, I'm two twenty two eighty.
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere between two twenty to two eighty. That's where
Speaker 1: he is. Jason Garrett put a hard number on it.
Speaker 1: He did so, and it was like a hard number.
Speaker 1: Two forty two. Yeah, he said, he's like more than that.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, more than that two fifty. He just
Speaker 1: then he started like all right, you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: me on that. But he definitely looks like he's Is
Speaker 1: it a state secret? Who cares? Why? Why is that
Speaker 1: a big deal? I don't know, but uh, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: eligible to go through walkthroughs now. I got. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't really hit the hard news today. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not hard news, and I'll tell you why I don't.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be in practice before this team
Speaker 1: plays its first preseason game. That's my bet. Do you
Speaker 1: think he'll do? You think he'll be ready to play
Speaker 1: in the preseason this year, and if so, maybe the
Speaker 1: last preseason games that would I think Jason Garrett has
Speaker 1: stated that's the goal, and I don't see why not.
Speaker 1: Like the preseason doesn't end until August thirtieth, you really
Speaker 1: can't get him into one of those at least. So
Speaker 1: I think he will practice in pads before we leave Oxnard,
Speaker 1: and I think he will play in maybe not the
Speaker 1: Bengals game Cardinals August twenty six. That's what I'm circling.
Speaker 1: The rehearsal, the dress rehearsal as we like to call it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he needs to play before that. I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: maybe he will, just because I mean, he's gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. But I think you got to figure out
Speaker 1: is does he play in the games? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be in the fifty three or is he gonna be
Speaker 1: in the forty six? And to determine that is going
Speaker 1: to affect well, what about Tapper? What about these other guys?
Speaker 1: Who else is gonna play? So it's a good point.
Speaker 1: I think he does need to play a little bit,
Speaker 1: sooner hopefully he can. We shall see go ahead, I
Speaker 1: mean you're hosting. Um moving on to the what do
Speaker 1: you think like other than Randy, Other than Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: who is clearly and totally a three four outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: why do you think this team has three four personnel? Um?
Speaker 1: I think from a linebacker. First of all, you've got
Speaker 1: these defensive ends that can kind of play tackle in
Speaker 1: whatever I think Taco, I think Tyrone Crawford would be
Speaker 1: really good ends in this technique. And yes, and I
Speaker 1: could see DeMarcus Lawrence on the outside. I definitely, I mean,
Speaker 1: Gregory would be great if you can count on that,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. But I'm not sure Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: couldn't be an outside three four defensive end. I like
Speaker 1: Layton in the middle. I like, um, the Sean Lee
Speaker 1: in the middle. Um, and then you know you gotta
Speaker 1: get me another um. No. I mean you'd be good
Speaker 1: there you had those two guys in the middle of
Speaker 1: the nose, right, you gotta get a nose. But I
Speaker 1: mean I think you need one. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly where Molik would play. I don't, But then again,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw Jay Ratlin. Yeah, I say Jay
Speaker 1: Rale can play the nose. Yeah, the unfortunate when you
Speaker 1: make it, when you make a personnel switch like that,
Speaker 1: like somebody's gonna be sol that's just the way I go.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I mean you can't count on David Irving.
Speaker 1: But David Irving would be an outstanding three four end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just defensive end. I'm not I hesitate to bet against him,
Speaker 1: but I have a hard time to seeing Tank as
Speaker 1: a three four linebacker. Like he's very athletic, he's obviously
Speaker 1: great at what he does, but like Randy's just got that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I will say this though, David. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you might you might know some names you can throw
Speaker 1: out here. I have a hard time thinking about a
Speaker 1: really good hand in the ground four three defensive end
Speaker 1: that got switched to a three four outside stand up
Speaker 1: linebacker that wasn't better, right, I mean most of them,
Speaker 1: they they they're sacks, go through the roof. If they're
Speaker 1: good up with their hand in the ground, you stand
Speaker 1: them up, they get better. It seems like h and
Speaker 1: again I may be missing some guys that didn't obviously
Speaker 1: make that job, but I think it seems like that
Speaker 1: to me. I think you make that movie. I think
Speaker 1: you could make that move and and have to maybe
Speaker 1: do a you can do it in one offseason now
Speaker 1: and do maybe one or two, you know, one or
Speaker 1: two changes. I think I think you could play it
Speaker 1: if you needed to, well, if you if you wanted.
Speaker 1: I mean, for the sake of argument, we all love
Speaker 1: Christopher Shard. I mean he's for three all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so as Nick says he's gonna be them here for well,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's kind of what I was getting at.
Speaker 1: That's what I was intimating. Okay, clear, yesterday, well, the
Speaker 1: boys have started their little yoga sesh. So you say
Speaker 1: it's so dismissively little yoga, which is very helpful. No,
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, and it's exciting to see them doing
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff now. So anyways, that is all
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. We'll see what Nick
Speaker 1: does tomorrow and yes you are, yes, he will be hosting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see how this goes. I want to see
Speaker 1: how this experiment works for Nikki Men, Derrick Ingleton, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: remember GARCS. See you guys next time tomorrow on the break.
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