Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
Speaker 1: Rhett with you guys. I got to say it was
Speaker 1: fun yesterday. Not only a great games, incredible games, which
Speaker 1: we're going to get into on today's episode, but it
Speaker 1: was fun to actually be together read I don't know
Speaker 1: the last time we were all together sitting there watching
Speaker 1: a football game. That was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of been been some pieces of us here,
Speaker 2: you know, throughout Thursdays and Sundays, and Bucky and I
Speaker 2: have been on the desk for NFL Game Day highlights
Speaker 2: throughout the playoffs on Sundays, which has been fun to
Speaker 2: you know, kind of take one of the games and
Speaker 2: then push it forward into what we're going to see
Speaker 2: in the next one. And I think the one thing
Speaker 2: that we all kind of you know, witnessed in that
Speaker 2: Eagles Rams game was something that kind of was the
Speaker 2: theme for the day, which were our turnovers really hindering
Speaker 2: the losing team in this one.
Speaker 3: And we'll get into that throughout.
Speaker 2: But it was a good weekend of football, some good
Speaker 2: hard football really all around.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny to playoffs change, but the way
Speaker 4: that you win doesn't.
Speaker 5: And the guys that don't make a lot of mistakes,
Speaker 5: the teams that don't beat themselves are the ones that
Speaker 5: continue to advance. And we saw a time and time
Speaker 5: again we talked about turnovers being the number one deciding
Speaker 5: factor and who wins and loses games. It's that is
Speaker 5: blowing assignments, is silly penalties, things that you would tell
Speaker 5: a little league team if you want to be really good,
Speaker 5: if you just do these things, you have a chance.
Speaker 5: And it's not so much teams winning games, is teams
Speaker 5: losing games, and if you can avoid the implosion, you
Speaker 5: have a chance to advance. And that's what we really
Speaker 5: saw this weekend with all the teams that were able
Speaker 5: to advance.
Speaker 1: Buck, you'll appreciate this because you know that I like
Speaker 1: baseball and I always bring stuff back to baseball. Red
Speaker 1: hates baseball, so he's not going to participate in this
Speaker 1: particular analogy. But I was watching those games, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was watching those games just thinking of the Yankees in
Speaker 1: the World Series. Like you think about all the effort
Speaker 1: it takes to get to this point, and then like
Speaker 1: the simple things two hands on the ball, in the
Speaker 1: pocket right when you've got a crowd around, you keep
Speaker 1: your left hand on the football. When you catch the
Speaker 1: ball in the middle of the field, you've got to
Speaker 1: cover up because you don't know where defenders are coming from.
Speaker 1: Like that's like Aaron Judge dropping a fly ball. That's
Speaker 1: like them. Not that's not like Garrett Cole not covering
Speaker 1: first base. Like these are things that you learn in
Speaker 1: the earliest part of your football career and it's amazing,
Speaker 1: and the biggest moments on the biggest stage buck that
Speaker 1: some of that stuff is what caused you to lose.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that you brought us back to baseball
Speaker 5: because one of my favorite quotes comes from Joe Madden,
Speaker 5: who won the World Series with the Chicago Cubs, and
Speaker 5: their theme that year they won it was do simple
Speaker 5: better and literally in the postseason is if you just
Speaker 5: do the simple things better than your opponent, you're going
Speaker 5: to win. And you just talk about avoiding the unforced
Speaker 5: eras the things that you really can control, because you
Speaker 5: can control all those things. When it comes to ball security,
Speaker 5: you understand winning the crowd, cover up to put two
Speaker 5: hands on it, make sure you don't line up all
Speaker 5: size all those other things, and it's just amazing, you know.
Speaker 4: And it'll take us to the kanc Chiefs.
Speaker 5: When we eventually get there, people get mad at the Chiefs,
Speaker 5: but to me, the chief said, done what the Patriots
Speaker 5: did when they had their run. They've learned how to
Speaker 5: do those little things better than their opponent, and whatever
Speaker 5: they need to do on a given day, they do.
Speaker 5: And that's why they've been very, very hard to beat.
Speaker 5: And that's why they also excelled in those one score games.
Speaker 5: They don't give games away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, RTT. I want to get to you,
Speaker 1: and we'll start here with the last game we saw,
Speaker 1: which was Baltimore Buffalo, and we can jump into that.
Speaker 1: But you kind of connected the two games with the turnovers.
Speaker 1: So there's five turnovers combined for the teams that lost
Speaker 1: and a clean sheet for the two teams that won
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I'm talking about the Sunday games. So you
Speaker 1: also had in that game, I believe, let's see Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in terms of passing yard one hundred and twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts one hundred and twenty eight. Like they are
Speaker 1: not going to light up the stat sheet, but they
Speaker 1: protected the football and that was enough. Their defense is
Speaker 1: played great. But just starting with that one, Baltimore Buffalo,
Speaker 1: let's start first of all on the Baltimore side of things. Look,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, I don't know how we got to start there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's where you got to start.
Speaker 3: Man, tough.
Speaker 2: I feel for Mark Andrews, right, this is what a
Speaker 2: roller coaster of a season. I remember it started out
Speaker 2: he was, you know, kind of an afterthought, you know,
Speaker 2: early in the year, and Isaya likely was catching and
Speaker 2: then he caught fire and was a big reason eleven touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on the stretch and then just to see it, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of come to an end right there on a
Speaker 2: play like that that you know, I think you know
Speaker 2: talking about on the broadcast he makes nine hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety nine times out of one thousand.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But look, it was a hard play.
Speaker 2: It was not an easy catch, right, I'll say that
Speaker 2: when you're off balance a little bit right and kind
Speaker 2: of falling backwards. But that's a play Mark Andrews makes.
Speaker 2: When you're an All Pro and Pro bowlder, that's the
Speaker 2: kind of play your team, you know, needs you to make.
Speaker 2: But again, you come back to it also like he's
Speaker 2: also a reason why they're in that position. He also
Speaker 2: had a fumble earlier in the game that was tough.
Speaker 1: And resulted in three points going the other way. Those
Speaker 1: five points on two plays is really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to boil it down like that because obviously
Speaker 2: you need to look at it in totality, but it's
Speaker 2: hard to separate that from the fact that those two
Speaker 2: plays were massive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the thing about it, the two point play,
Speaker 5: And I wonder when you look at Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 5: the wind up, it almost reminded me of.
Speaker 4: Another baseball reference, a change up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So like you're sitting here waiting for you're you're ready
Speaker 4: for the.
Speaker 5: Fastball, and you get the change up or the knuckleball,
Speaker 5: and it's a minor thing, but it's made you when
Speaker 5: you're falling back and you anticipate maybe a little more velocity.
Speaker 5: But I understand why Lamar Jackson did it, because he
Speaker 5: didn't want to pull the stream. He didn't want to
Speaker 5: blow the layup, and so in maybe trying to help
Speaker 5: Mark Andrews, maybe Jackson hurt him by taking a little
Speaker 5: off the ball.
Speaker 4: Which is hard to say.
Speaker 5: We're gonna blame the quarterback for a drop pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to go back. I haven't had a
Speaker 1: chance to go back and see it yet, but you
Speaker 1: guys remember their loss against the Steelers. They ran their
Speaker 1: two point play with Lamar going left and then they couldn't.
Speaker 1: They he couldn't. I don't think somebody could get out.
Speaker 1: I think the tight end was trying to getut into
Speaker 1: the flat. They couldn't. They blew it up and they
Speaker 1: tackled Lamar getting out. I meant Herbig might be the
Speaker 1: one who kind of blew it up, but then they
Speaker 1: it was just kind of they got him on the move.
Speaker 1: They got him on the move left and it got
Speaker 1: blown up and it almost looked like it was going
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback sweep, almost a tight play. But
Speaker 1: I go back and look at that play. But in
Speaker 1: this one, obviously they're going to the right, and I
Speaker 1: almost felt like all eyes were on Lamar and they
Speaker 1: kind of sold out as if Lamar was going to
Speaker 1: run the ball. So you get him wide open, and
Speaker 1: I've been and I've been in that situation, Buck exactly
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, and it's like he's so open.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything too firm, so it just it
Speaker 1: just kind of pulls. It just kind of just kind
Speaker 1: of pull it off a little bit. But he he's
Speaker 1: got to catch the ball, man, he's got to catch
Speaker 1: the ball. And it was a heck of a drive
Speaker 1: by Lamar and getting them right down the field. We
Speaker 1: were watching at the time. Buck, I don't know where
Speaker 1: you thought about it, but I there was some There
Speaker 1: was some conversation in the room when they had the
Speaker 1: fourth down. Rosenthal, I see, if Rosenthal confesses this, you
Speaker 1: tweet it. Rosental said he, oh, did he tweet it?
Speaker 1: He said, oh, they should go they should go for it.
Speaker 1: And I said no, no, no, no, no. If you go for it,
Speaker 1: there's one drive you lose. You kick the field goal.
Speaker 1: You have three opportunities left to win the game. You
Speaker 1: hold them without a touchdown, you win the game. You
Speaker 1: give them a touchdown, but you stop the two point conversion,
Speaker 1: You win the game. You give up the touchdown, the
Speaker 1: two point conversion, you still go to overtime with a
Speaker 1: chance to win the game. Like that gives you three
Speaker 1: opportunities to win the football game. You have to kick
Speaker 1: that field goal.
Speaker 5: It is mitigating risks right in those moments is mitigating risks? Okay,
Speaker 5: So even at their worst, as you laid out your
Speaker 5: three scenarios, we still go to overtime. I understood it
Speaker 5: because I sat there and I had to tweet compose.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get it out because I couldn't get my
Speaker 4: thoughts together.
Speaker 6: But I was like, okay, a lot of questions on
Speaker 6: third down before to get the third down, I was saying, okay,
Speaker 6: are you approaching this with two plays to school because
Speaker 6: the ball was at the two.
Speaker 3: They got to the one yard line too, Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Got to the one yard line.
Speaker 5: Then I was like, okay, man, Josh Allen is unstoppable
Speaker 5: on quarterback.
Speaker 4: Power or whatever you go.
Speaker 5: But they lost yardage and at that point I was like, man,
Speaker 5: you gotta kick it right. You got to you got
Speaker 5: to take the eight point advantage, and you got to
Speaker 5: say a defense go Now.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that Lamar Jess was.
Speaker 1: Right down.
Speaker 2: That the other thing, you know, like there would have
Speaker 2: been about a minute and thirty o'clock left for Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: By the way, after the point version. This was not
Speaker 3: a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 1: You might have had four opportunities to win that game.
Speaker 1: Then if that's the case, because you could have won
Speaker 1: it in regulation and overtime or stop a touchdown or
Speaker 1: stop the two point. That was the right decision by McDermott.
Speaker 1: And he said it after the game. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: if we were right on the doorstep, I probably go,
Speaker 1: but not when we're you know, two and a half
Speaker 1: to three yards, Like that's that's too much. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was smart on their end. Man, Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: they you know, he had a couple runs in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, but Buffalo, I thought, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: they had to do. They had to sell out to
Speaker 1: try and take him away. And if you hold him
Speaker 1: under eighty five yards, which they did sixteen for eighty four.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: people I picked Buffalo to win, but I did think
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry had a chance to dominate that game because
Speaker 1: Buffalo is not real big. But man, they played big.
Speaker 1: They penetrated, and as we've said Buck, we've said this,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Dereck Henry for years, like it's a
Speaker 1: very simple formula. It's not easy to execute, but it's simple,
Speaker 1: and that you must take that runway and you must
Speaker 1: shrink that runway down because if he gets a runway,
Speaker 1: you got no shot. And the only way you shorten
Speaker 1: a runway is with penetration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would give Buffalo a lot of credit
Speaker 5: because they played on the move their frontline. There's I mean,
Speaker 5: it almost reminded me of watching like a college game.
Speaker 5: You remember when TCU played Michigan and there was a
Speaker 5: lot of conversation about Missigan was going to blow TCU
Speaker 5: over because they're playing like, oh, a forty five or
Speaker 5: three to three five defense.
Speaker 4: There's no way they can stop.
Speaker 5: And all the movement and the speed and the explosiveness
Speaker 5: upfront created problems at times. However, the Baltimore Ravens had
Speaker 5: it rolling and the fumble Andrews gave up that led
Speaker 5: to three points that drive.
Speaker 4: I mean, they had him moving, they had.
Speaker 5: Run the football, they were throwing it, they had balanced
Speaker 5: in those things, and the Buffalo Bills made key plays
Speaker 5: and key moments to halted drives. And that's ultimately the difference.
Speaker 5: The three turnover margin is why the Buffalo Bills go
Speaker 5: on and the Baltimore Ravens are packing it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mantt. By the way, uh, Jay Flowers not being
Speaker 1: in that ball game. I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: I had some people get upset with me because I
Speaker 1: said it on TV that like, gosh, they really missed him,
Speaker 1: and I got the everybody has injuries comment, and I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Yeah, we said that Detroit missed Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: like we've talked about people. I'm not saying that's the
Speaker 1: sole reason they didn't win the game, but yeah, would
Speaker 1: have been nice for him to have him out there.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was that was legitimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like this was when you take the
Speaker 2: turnovers out of it, this was a hard fought game
Speaker 2: on both sides. Like it was not just like a
Speaker 2: and this was not the Ravens team that that forgot
Speaker 2: about the run game.
Speaker 3: You know, in the postseason, they still ran the ball.
Speaker 3: Justice Hill ran the they like.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is it was really feast or
Speaker 2: fan for the Ravens on offense.
Speaker 3: If it wasn't a chunk.
Speaker 2: Play, it wouldn't happen both in the past game and
Speaker 2: the run game.
Speaker 3: Like all.
Speaker 1: I mean because Anders had two, Derrick Henry had two.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of self inflicted wounds man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2: And but the defense played phenomenal, like they keep the
Speaker 2: Bills under three hundred total yards.
Speaker 3: I don't think you could ask for much more than that.
Speaker 1: No, Y, go ahead, Buck.
Speaker 5: I would say this because there's always gonna be a
Speaker 5: conversation about Lamar Jackson. I think we have touch on it,
Speaker 5: like the narrative that goes on about Lamar Jackson in
Speaker 5: the postseason. Now, I think from a personal standpoint, Lamar
Speaker 5: Jackson will walk away from this game with confidence knowing
Speaker 5: that he can play well in those big moments. He
Speaker 5: hadn't played well in one of these divisional round AFC
Speaker 5: championship games. I feel like after those early turnovers, he
Speaker 5: played pretty well. Capped off at that final drive, I
Speaker 5: think he has to figure out a way how to
Speaker 5: calm himself down, because once he calmed down in the
Speaker 5: floor of the game, he was able to play really well.
Speaker 5: To me, is his emotional control at the outset that
Speaker 5: they have to work on to allow him to get
Speaker 5: past these moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would just still last thing I would
Speaker 2: say on this game, Like, to me, a lot of
Speaker 2: the way this game ended up being played out was
Speaker 2: what happened at the border line of the first and
Speaker 2: second quarter. You know the interception. Yeah, it didn't end
Speaker 2: up hurting them because Buffalo punted away after the pick,
Speaker 2: but obviously it ruined an opportunity for you to go
Speaker 2: down there and score. But then you know, they go
Speaker 2: down and then on the next they fumble, right, you
Speaker 2: get the fumble, Buffalo recover, scores a touchdown. Then on
Speaker 2: the Ravens next drive they get all the way down
Speaker 2: to the Buffalo eight and have to kick a field goal,
Speaker 2: and then Buffalo comes back and scores a touchdown, and
Speaker 2: you're sitting there in his twenty one points. And that
Speaker 2: second quarter, that first is second quarter really kind of
Speaker 2: determined to me the way that the rest of the
Speaker 2: game ended up being played.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crucial. Let's let's get to the other
Speaker 1: game that we saw yesterday, which was another great game.
Speaker 1: Came down to the very end with the Rams ball
Speaker 1: in their hands, chance to go down there win. Let
Speaker 1: me just ratt I'll tee you up on this one first.
Speaker 1: But if I told you before the game, Matthew Stafford's
Speaker 1: going to throw for three twenty four to two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: no picks. Jalen Hurts is only going to throw for
Speaker 1: a buck twenty eight with no touchdowns. Kyra Williams is
Speaker 1: going to have one hundred and six yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: Your defense is going to compile seven sacks. You sit there, think, gosh,
Speaker 1: we got a pretty good shot at going on there
Speaker 1: and beating the Philadelphia Eagles in this one. But the
Speaker 1: problem being Saquon Barkley, major problem. Putting the ball on
Speaker 1: the ground twice, major major problem, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Stafford once and then the Kyra Williams one is really tough
Speaker 2: because you just got the safety right. You just sacked
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, who looks like, you know, a wounded animal
Speaker 2: back there. He can't move around with the knee or
Speaker 2: whatever it was that ended up bothering him, and they
Speaker 2: sack him down there. You get the ball back, you're
Speaker 2: within a point, and now you turn it right back
Speaker 2: over to them. They return it all the way deep,
Speaker 2: you know, into your own territory, and the air just
Speaker 2: goes out of the balloon for a minute.
Speaker 3: Now it came back.
Speaker 2: It came back late, late, late, like a little bit
Speaker 2: too late, you know, as you go under four minutes,
Speaker 2: they made a heck of a push and really had
Speaker 2: an opportunity there if not for Jalen Carr, who was
Speaker 2: an absolute beast as he's been just dominating inside, sacking
Speaker 2: Stafford on the third and two, turning it into a
Speaker 2: fourth and eleven and then causing pressure again to force
Speaker 2: a quick throw from Stafford that.
Speaker 3: Ends up ending the game and ending the season. And
Speaker 3: that's what it came down to me, like thinking about that.
Speaker 2: Game for me, and obviously with the turnovers and that's
Speaker 2: a turnover run downs there, but the car crash at
Speaker 2: the ending, like it's fourth and eleven, you think you're
Speaker 2: going to have a shot to go in here and
Speaker 2: win this game and then pay him.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: Play football is hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean it is hard, and it's the
Speaker 5: emotional swings that you must handle, like being able to
Speaker 5: deal with the ups and downs and those things. And
Speaker 5: if you're the la Rams, you certainly feel like you
Speaker 5: let one slip out of your hands. You had it
Speaker 5: the game under control, and it look you have the safety.
Speaker 5: And after the safety, I was like, oh man, this
Speaker 5: is all bad for the Philadelphia Eagles. You're now giving
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford the ball back. He has an opportunity to
Speaker 5: go down the feeling the pressure that they would have
Speaker 5: had Jalen Hurst being down at home, all that aks
Speaker 5: and anxiety, But the fumble, you scoop it up and
Speaker 5: push you in a position. But I'm would say this, man,
Speaker 5: the Eagles have to learn how to cash in these
Speaker 5: chances in the red zone. Like this was a game
Speaker 5: where they had a chance to go in and just
Speaker 5: punch in penalty, packed them up and just the field
Speaker 5: goal fest.
Speaker 4: And at some.
Speaker 5: Point you can't keep trading threes for sevens. You're gonna
Speaker 5: end up on the store end of the stick. And
Speaker 5: they were able to get away with it, but they're
Speaker 5: not gonna be able to win in the championship game
Speaker 5: if they don't cash in on those type ridson opportunities.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting though about the Eagles, man, is
Speaker 1: I feel like every week and it's not just you
Speaker 1: know what our conversation is here, it's everywhere. I just
Speaker 1: hear people, man, They just everybody hates the way the
Speaker 1: Philadelphi Eagles win football games. And I'm sitting here going, well, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if we throw out, if we throw out. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: getting knocked out in the first quarter against Washington, right
Speaker 1: and By the way, if if DeVante Smith catches the ball,
Speaker 1: they still win that game. That the last time they
Speaker 1: lost a football game was in September. So this this
Speaker 1: team is not even clicking. They're not even clicking, so
Speaker 1: they lose football games.
Speaker 5: So what you're saying, are they the NFC version of
Speaker 5: the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were clean. They were cleaning this game.
Speaker 1: They haven't always been clean, no, no, but in terms
Speaker 1: of and things like that, but they don't.
Speaker 5: They know how to win games. They know how to
Speaker 5: win games. If you leave it hanging in the balance,
Speaker 5: they'll find a way to do it. And we can
Speaker 5: talk about the dysfunction in the locker room and are
Speaker 5: they all on the same page, But you're right, at
Speaker 5: the end of the weekend, they always put a dub
Speaker 5: in the win column.
Speaker 4: And that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: One of the things we've always said about the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, and we've said it about other teams, championship teams,
Speaker 1: and we can go through all of them. Von Miller
Speaker 1: notoriously with the Denver Broncos. What do we say about
Speaker 1: those championship teams on defense, they have a closer. Oh
Speaker 1: the Clods it up, Chris Jones? Is that you know what?
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter closer? He closed that game?
Speaker 3: Old Smith was part of it.
Speaker 1: Smith was j Carter that game he closed out?
Speaker 4: How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: First with Jalen Carter, like Jalen Carter being everything that
Speaker 5: we talked about, and it's one of the reasons why
Speaker 5: we need to put the pencil down once we get
Speaker 5: the calendar flips because everyone loved him the player at Georgia.
Speaker 5: You're worried about the character, but the player on tape,
Speaker 5: there weren't many questions about what it can be. He
Speaker 5: has been exactly what he was at Georgie in terms
Speaker 5: of a disruptive force at the point of attack. You've
Speaker 5: seen Vic Fangio unleash him and the bigger the moment, the.
Speaker 4: Better he plays.
Speaker 5: But how about Nolan Smith, Because there was a lot
Speaker 5: of controversy about Nolan Smith being picked, where it was
Speaker 5: picked and what the position was going to be. Give
Speaker 5: the Eagles credit for having a vision for how he's
Speaker 5: going to play, but really give Vic Fangio credit for
Speaker 5: finding a way to really unlock the potential because Nolan
Speaker 5: Smith has been terrific.
Speaker 4: He's really been great throughout this playoff runt.
Speaker 2: I would just call up the tweet that Jackie and
Speaker 2: Draid sent out and because a couple of guys right,
Speaker 2: because it was Nolan Smith. Was I think DJ your
Speaker 2: best value in the first round?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, in terms of where you had right that
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty three. I'm pulling it up right now.
Speaker 1: I'm pulling it up right now. Yeah. So Nolan Smith
Speaker 1: I had is my thirteenth player and he was the
Speaker 1: thirtieth pick.
Speaker 4: Yep, you know who My.
Speaker 1: Comp was, ironically sweat Yeah, nice stand up, juicy change
Speaker 1: of direction, he's got risk control, he can bend and
Speaker 1: close plays with burst. I've made a point in here
Speaker 1: about just like an effort thing, which you know I
Speaker 1: always think is a big deal. That had a fake
Speaker 1: punt called by Auburn and when I was watching that
Speaker 1: game and he freaking stuffed it, which was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's got all this athletic ability and explosiveness,
Speaker 1: but he's also an instinctive football player. He's needed to play,
Speaker 1: he's need to get out there. He'd missed some time
Speaker 1: with injuries, and now you're seeing a chance that he's
Speaker 1: got to play more and more and more. And he's
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy in the world, but he
Speaker 1: is a savage man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then was the other one, Yeah yeah, yeah, one
Speaker 2: of the last picks of the draft, and yet you
Speaker 2: had him in a like right around one hundred, So
Speaker 2: they got some good value there.
Speaker 4: What is what does juicy mean? I've never used that
Speaker 4: in what is juicy su? I've never used I've never
Speaker 4: used juicy. It's a new term for me. So I
Speaker 4: just need to figure.
Speaker 1: Out how you say if yeah, if you say like
Speaker 1: a receiver's got juice, Like there's an explosiveness, but like
Speaker 1: everything that no one Smith does, like as someone in
Speaker 1: the front seven, everything's just got a lot of juice
Speaker 1: to it. Like there's just speeding, twitch and explosiveness. No
Speaker 1: matter where he's going, he's just got juicy. Dude, Like,
Speaker 1: you know what you've been doing.
Speaker 5: You've been hangling those baseball scouts for too long. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna restrict you from texting.
Speaker 1: With I need more words. I just sit here. I
Speaker 1: feel like understand.
Speaker 5: I feel like our guys from way back would be
Speaker 5: like DJ, you know we've never used that in the report.
Speaker 1: No, I'll tell you what I'm always I'm always looking
Speaker 1: for new ways to say this. I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: Like just to nerd out for a second, Like, there's
Speaker 1: there's lots of scouting phrases that I've heard and picked
Speaker 1: up since I left as a scout, like two of
Speaker 1: my favorites over the last ten years. This is totally
Speaker 1: off topic, but uh, stopping power as a tackler. I
Speaker 1: ever used that when I was writing, but I heard
Speaker 1: it for the first time. I was like, I, when
Speaker 1: I hear a term and I know exactly what it
Speaker 1: looks like, that's a great that's a great scouting term,
Speaker 1: stopping power. And then the other one was and this
Speaker 1: I think might have been from less Snead was he
Speaker 1: he said that with the Rams, they focus on guys
Speaker 1: who are grounded through the catch and that's Puka, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all. They're guys that they've brought in, which buck
Speaker 1: is someone who's played the position. When you hear that,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, because the guys are confidence in
Speaker 1: their hands, they run through the ball, they don't leave their.
Speaker 4: Yeah, try try and create.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And guess.
Speaker 3: What grounded through the catch point a little bit.
Speaker 1: There go there you go, Yeah, I guess what you're Also,
Speaker 1: you're also way more likely to break tackles when you
Speaker 1: have your feet in the ground. So but anyways, those
Speaker 1: are those are nerdy scout topics. There anything else on
Speaker 1: that game, Buck, you want to hit on before we
Speaker 1: take a break?
Speaker 4: Here, No, we're good on that one.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break, we come back. We'll
Speaker 1: hit on these Saturday games right after this. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's work from that Saturday night game, probably
Speaker 1: the most surprising outcome of the weekend. Uh rhtt I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, man, I got This is what happens
Speaker 1: with Bucky. He goes out and he makes strong takes.
Speaker 1: He doesn't, he doesn't. She's not shy. He puts a
Speaker 1: strong opinion out there. And I think he ranked I
Speaker 1: don't even know what he ranked quarterbacks somehow, and he
Speaker 1: had Jade Daniels up high in staid ranking. So so
Speaker 1: I get hit. I get to go get your boy.
Speaker 1: Your boy doesn't. He's crazy, He's lost it. What is
Speaker 1: Bucky saying? And I'm like, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're even talking about what is going on, and then
Speaker 1: I finally started doing some homework, investigative work. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: Bucky Jayde Daniels is legit, and Bucky put it out there,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Jade Daniels goes and
Speaker 1: does his thing, and Rhett, you'll be surprised to know
Speaker 1: none of those same people had the were telling me
Speaker 1: to get my guy anymore.
Speaker 4: So so rhtt to take you back.
Speaker 5: So DJ was out, it was Lance and I hosting
Speaker 5: the pod, and we did a thing called Playoff Tiers
Speaker 5: with the quarterbacks and so Tier one are your elite guys,
Speaker 5: and so it was Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 5: and then if.
Speaker 4: Through Jaydon Daniels and there now you know, yeah, spice
Speaker 4: it up a little bit, so like yeah, listens like.
Speaker 5: Whoa this is before the playoffs start and people are like,
Speaker 5: how can you put him in Tier one before he
Speaker 5: even plays a playoff game? Well that's the fun and
Speaker 5: projecting like if I want to wait after seeing him,
Speaker 5: like anybody can do that like that, that's what we're projecting, like,
Speaker 5: And so the thing is, and I'll say this like
Speaker 5: he is even beyond and It's also funny, like when
Speaker 5: you go back in your notes and you recall certain
Speaker 5: conversations that you had with people before and they gave
Speaker 5: you a different answer on Jaydon Daniels, and then you
Speaker 5: talk to him now at Arizonunderstated, They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: we always doing I'm like, oh, they celebrated when he left,
Speaker 5: they celebrated, and now he's He's the one doing the celebration.
Speaker 5: I will say his boys, his confidence, his composure, on
Speaker 5: top of the skills that he brings, he epitomizes what
Speaker 5: you look for in a franchise player. And I can
Speaker 5: only relate it to my time in Green Bay when
Speaker 5: Brett Farr was in the middle of his three MVP
Speaker 5: run and how on defense we felt when we had
Speaker 5: number four on the team.
Speaker 4: We're like, if we can just get the ball back,
Speaker 4: he'll figure it out.
Speaker 5: And the conversations that you hear from the Commander's players
Speaker 5: are very similar to that. He gives us hope, we
Speaker 5: believe we can win because that dude is special. When
Speaker 5: you have veteran players like Bobby Wagner and older players
Speaker 5: saying that about the young guy, that's when you buy
Speaker 5: in because the players will tell you real quickly. If
Speaker 5: a guy has it, he definitely has the if factor
Speaker 5: that you need.
Speaker 2: I hard argue with that, and I just I think
Speaker 2: truly when you look at that team and you look
Speaker 2: at the way that he has elevated everyone around him
Speaker 2: as such, I mean, this is that is a.
Speaker 3: Team that they have. They're good defense. Dan Quin's a
Speaker 3: heck of a coach.
Speaker 2: I think Cliff Kingsbury has been a really nice job
Speaker 2: of kind of managing the ebbs and flows of offensive production.
Speaker 2: Whereas when he was with the Cardinals, it felt like,
Speaker 2: man second half, like you started falling off the cliff
Speaker 2: and they didn't find that plateau again.
Speaker 3: But it felt like this this.
Speaker 2: Year, this team has found that plateau and like you
Speaker 2: look at you know, personnel.
Speaker 3: I mean we talked about the offensive line a bunch.
Speaker 2: I mean, Terry McLaurin, I love, but I mean like
Speaker 2: they are Dami Brown has come alive, like they are
Speaker 2: finding ways, and I think Jayden.
Speaker 3: Is the catalyst there.
Speaker 2: He is that good to where he is truly, you know,
Speaker 2: the rising tide that is lifting all ships here in
Speaker 2: this Washington Commander's franchise, and I think he deserves a
Speaker 2: ton of credit for that beyond you know what his.
Speaker 3: Special play is. I think it's I think it's inspired
Speaker 3: for those guys. That's a tangible thing to me.
Speaker 1: I went back and was just trying to go back
Speaker 1: to the college stuff when he because it was just
Speaker 1: I didn't have words for what he was doing, like
Speaker 1: the way he was playing and the way he's played truthfully,
Speaker 1: of just the poise, uh to go along with that,
Speaker 1: like the ball placement, the accuracy he is processing. Like
Speaker 1: to me, I think I tweet out i'd' understeen body
Speaker 1: process that fast, that young, like he's got like some
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow type processing stuff, which I don't say that lightly,
Speaker 1: which is incredible. And so I was going back through
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's just so weird. He's played so
Speaker 1: much football in college. And we talked about that with
Speaker 1: him and Bo Nicks both having great years because they
Speaker 1: both played so much. But it wasn't like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like this just steady Eddie climb. It was okay, okay,
Speaker 1: then that his his first year at LSU a little
Speaker 1: bit better, and then all of a sudden just explodes
Speaker 1: in his in his last year. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: back and I don't know you know, because we're all
Speaker 1: somewhat of similar age. Like when we used to have
Speaker 1: to mow the lawn. We had an old lawnmower, and
Speaker 1: you know you had to you had to pull it right,
Speaker 1: so you got to pull that string and then so
Speaker 1: you might have to pull it three or four times
Speaker 1: it doesn't start, and then finally, like that fifth time
Speaker 1: you pull it it starts. Works great. But I think
Speaker 1: I was thinking of that as an analogy with these players
Speaker 1: because they don't get much chance to fail in the NFL.
Speaker 1: We move on. They're done. They're not good enough. So
Speaker 1: it's like, man, in college, playing all those snaps, all
Speaker 1: those years in college, you got time to get the
Speaker 1: lawnmower started, and once it starts, it's good. And it's like,
Speaker 1: that's the value in guys staying and playing extra time
Speaker 1: in college is that, man, Man, they figured out because
Speaker 1: once you figured out, you're good. But it's hard to
Speaker 1: figure it out at the NFL level. Man, that if
Speaker 1: you haven't had time to do that. That's my point book.
Speaker 5: No, I'm with you and the experience of being able
Speaker 5: to go through those ups and downs, and we'll talk
Speaker 5: about Jane Dames, but I think you always have to
Speaker 5: include bo Nicks in that conversation because he's another one
Speaker 5: who had all of that time at college. You find
Speaker 5: his game, go through the ups and downs, and then
Speaker 5: find his way to the other side. And we saw
Speaker 5: the success that he was able to have as a rookie.
Speaker 5: We've said this and read I think you've been on.
Speaker 5: We said it like we kind of like our quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to come into the league with some scuffs on them,
Speaker 5: Like we don't want to bring new shoes that are
Speaker 5: just completely polished and they don't have any I need
Speaker 5: them scuffed up a little bit because it's going to
Speaker 5: give me a chance to maybe get through the adversity
Speaker 5: in the first year a little quicker. And for Jade Daniels,
Speaker 5: he was able to get through that lo that go
Speaker 5: outside with his rears being hurt. But he got through
Speaker 5: that period and he is being great when they needed
Speaker 5: him to be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I think that again like his.
Speaker 2: What we're talking about in being a player that elevates,
Speaker 2: you know, you look at other rookies that have gone
Speaker 2: to where he's taking this team to the championship. Brown,
Speaker 2: I mean like they had dominant defenses and Washington's good
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 1: They're those quarterbacks. Those quarterbacks on that list that we
Speaker 1: have on our chat right now were not the driving
Speaker 1: force of their team. They were not the lead actor.
Speaker 1: They were supporting characters. And this is a totally different deal.
Speaker 2: This is done like anything we've seen, truly, because none
Speaker 2: of us would sit here and say, if you look
Speaker 2: pound for pound, player for player on that Washington roster,
Speaker 2: while they have played well together, that did not look
Speaker 2: like an NFC Championship game roster.
Speaker 1: No, just just to be fair, No, No, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And look you took down the number one seed on
Speaker 1: the road and did it convincingly. Just and and again.
Speaker 1: Part of the story of the week, Buck is turnovers.
Speaker 1: You know, that's it's been the it's been the theme,
Speaker 1: uh through a bunch of these games. You get the
Speaker 1: turnover margin, I don't know, five to nothing. That seems
Speaker 1: like that's gonna be problematic if you're like, when you
Speaker 1: turn that, but do you do you? We talked about
Speaker 1: this because it looks like they're both gonna get head
Speaker 1: coaching jobs. Ben Johnson OC is gonna get one and
Speaker 1: Glenn's gonna get one, and they're both fantastic coaches. Fantastic candidates.
Speaker 1: But we had said on here that look, you might
Speaker 1: think there's I'm not distracted at all. There's no issues here.
Speaker 1: You the way that these these organizations and buildings work
Speaker 1: like it is an obsession. They work long hours to
Speaker 1: get ready each and every week. You can't tell me
Speaker 1: that doesn't have an impact. Man, When you're having to
Speaker 1: do interviews for you know, your your dream jobs, the
Speaker 1: job you've coveted it since you were a kid. How
Speaker 1: could you not be a little bit distracted on that stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you can't. You can't fully focus.
Speaker 5: I don't care what you are because you're playing different
Speaker 5: scenarios in your head. Who am I bringing with me?
Speaker 5: What do I want? What am I looking for? You
Speaker 5: have to have some knowledge of the other roster. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you have multiple interviews three or four other rosters
Speaker 5: and how you would build those teams, that's a lot
Speaker 5: of brain space that's being occupied when you really need
Speaker 5: to be focusing on the game plan. It's unfortunate that
Speaker 5: they didn't play at their best, but it has to
Speaker 5: play a small part and why maybe those teams on
Speaker 5: both sides of the.
Speaker 4: Ball didn't look the way they've looked the entire season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, I think rap sheet just was
Speaker 2: talking about Aaron glenn Is interviewing for the second time
Speaker 2: in person with the Jets, and then he's got the
Speaker 2: Saints right after that.
Speaker 1: Feels like, yeah, he's getting one of those he's getting
Speaker 1: one of those gigs and good friend, he's a good
Speaker 1: football coach. But does this feel I don't want to
Speaker 1: say window closing. I think that's a little early on
Speaker 1: that one. But you also have your time when this
Speaker 1: is your best shot, when you have home field advantage
Speaker 1: all the way throughout, when you have continuity on your
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I know the defense had been besieged with injury,
Speaker 1: but man, that was still you know, this is a
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 4: That you got to be.
Speaker 1: You needed to beat a rookie quarterback, and then you
Speaker 1: wouldn't You would have been at home against a hobbled
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts for a chance to go to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean that it's hard to see them having a
Speaker 1: better opportunity than the one that they had this year,
Speaker 1: which you know sucks for the Alliance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can almost make the argument that you feel now,
Speaker 2: look offensively, they've got a great young core and and
Speaker 2: that's the kese in. You know, a young, young ish
Speaker 2: quarterback in the prime of his career.
Speaker 3: You feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 2: But like you can almost make the argument that the
Speaker 2: you know, you look at where the Rams are and
Speaker 2: like they're feeling pretty good about that young group, especially
Speaker 2: on defense that they've got, that they're going to continue
Speaker 2: to get better in terms of window, you know, being open.
Speaker 3: The problem is, you know, how much longer are they
Speaker 3: going to go with Stafford. I think it is obviously
Speaker 3: the biggest difference there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say also Detroit has a bunch of
Speaker 1: good players on for on rookie deal too. They haven't
Speaker 1: had to pay yet, so they're still talented. You know,
Speaker 1: they got to make sure they filled the right spots. Here.
Speaker 1: What the coaches are getting ready to lose Buck Houston,
Speaker 1: Kansas City. We've touched on it a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's a clean brand of football. Man.
Speaker 1: It's not always the most aesthetically pleasing, but the defense.
Speaker 1: This is a defensive team. And that's why I've said,
Speaker 1: I this used to be an explosive offense with an
Speaker 1: opportunistic defense. Now it's an explosive defense with an opportunistic offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we can talk about the defense a sas
Speaker 5: George gott Loftis and company really being able to get
Speaker 5: after c. J. Stroud disrupt the rhythm dominated the game.
Speaker 5: On that standpoint, Old coaches always talked about this. I'm
Speaker 5: sure you got the we all played coming up where
Speaker 5: the coach would say, hey, they're three phases in the
Speaker 5: game for us to win, you got to win two
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 4: And the Kansas City Chiefs won two phases. They won defense,
Speaker 4: and they won special teams.
Speaker 5: As much as I want to talk about their defense
Speaker 5: playing lights out, they won the game because of their
Speaker 5: special teams and what they were able to do three
Speaker 5: yard kickoff return right out the gate. They then benefited
Speaker 5: from a miss field goal, a miss pat they blocked
Speaker 5: the field goal. I mean, all the things that Dave
Speaker 5: Toe and his units do. They they win in the margins,
Speaker 5: and we've seen this time and time again.
Speaker 4: They understand what's required.
Speaker 5: To win and they're willing to make those plays in
Speaker 5: those areas to win the game. Hass off to the
Speaker 5: Chiefs continue to do what they do win.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's still, though, feels like this is a team
Speaker 2: that's vulnerable like this is a I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a team. While as sound as they are, you know,
Speaker 2: in some of those areas that we're talking about, the
Speaker 2: simple areas like if the team on the other sideline
Speaker 2: can also do those things, it feels like more often
Speaker 2: than not, they're gonna have a chance.
Speaker 3: To beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: The Houston Texans had every opportunity to beat the Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs. I mean, like, obviously, don't let up a
Speaker 2: seventy five yard kick return on the opening kick and
Speaker 2: special teams was a big reason why they were unable
Speaker 2: to get it done. You know, miss field goals, I
Speaker 2: get you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 2: bash Kamy Fairbarn too much for missing a fifty five yarder,
Speaker 2: but extra point you know one that's a little lock
Speaker 2: start block you got.
Speaker 3: You gotta find I get it. The other stuff.
Speaker 2: It's tough conditions, but it's tough on the other side too.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, like this was not a game where the
Speaker 2: Texans were all classed even very short handed. Je I
Speaker 2: just I didn't I didn't see it that way with
Speaker 2: the way this thing ended up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I it's just a The thing about
Speaker 1: the playoffs is it always and I saw what the
Speaker 1: Chargers doing their game against the Texans, is that your
Speaker 1: warts have a way of appearing at the worst time.
Speaker 1: And when I studied that Texans team getting ready for
Speaker 1: that first playoff game, man, I'm like, gosh, if they
Speaker 1: get behind, they they are awful at communicating games, twists
Speaker 1: and blitzes up front like they they get more. And
Speaker 1: it was like, well, here we are, and Buck, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to. I hate it when we
Speaker 1: do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway. So yes,
Speaker 1: you blanket statement, blanket statement. Here we go, blanket statement.
Speaker 1: How many times have we seen the Shanahan offense when
Speaker 1: they get down and there's no illusion of run and
Speaker 1: it's dropped back past, they're done it.
Speaker 5: It's a big problem, and it's one of the things.
Speaker 5: They always play from ahead. The offense is built to
Speaker 5: play from ahead where they can dictate the terms, where
Speaker 5: they can get you seduced by the run action and
Speaker 5: then throw it down the field. We have seen that
Speaker 5: time and time again, and when they are behind, they
Speaker 5: don't have a true drop back component to the passing game.
Speaker 4: And so not that it's a narrow path to victory
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 5: But the game plan in the game mode, the game
Speaker 5: script can't go a rid because it's really hard for
Speaker 5: them to climb their way back into it, just because
Speaker 5: the playbook isn't built for them to be from behind.
Speaker 4: So it's something that they have to talk about, something
Speaker 4: they have to work on.
Speaker 5: It's certainly something that's popped up not only in Houston
Speaker 5: but with other teams to run iterations of this offense.
Speaker 2: Guys, four of their eight sacks came in the final
Speaker 2: four minutes of the game. You want to talk about closers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: talk about the blitz being on CJ Stroud like that.
Speaker 3: To your point, DJ not being able to stuff is
Speaker 3: coming front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Obviously, credit credit to Bags for understanding and taking
Speaker 2: advantage of some of those weaknesses that you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But CJ didn't have a chance on a couple of those,
Speaker 2: like Justin Reids in the space mask like this, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean it was that's there's no there's no winner
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's why it's also very important. And
Speaker 1: we'll we'll get into tomorrow's episode, we'll start previewing the
Speaker 1: the games going forward, but just one thing on that
Speaker 1: is to beat the Kansas City Chiefs, I think you
Speaker 1: have to get on them early and hang on. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's the way to beat them. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want to be in a trail position with
Speaker 1: Spags and Chris Jones and all these different blitz packages
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw at you. And Carl Loftus has really
Speaker 1: started to merge and be a really good player. So
Speaker 1: Kansas City they might just ugly their way to a
Speaker 1: you know, fourth super Bowl here. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Man, there's something to be said for it.
Speaker 1: I always just come back to Bucky's favorite line, you know,
Speaker 1: winners win. I mean that's they just find a way
Speaker 1: to get to the winner circle. Yeah, that's again it's
Speaker 1: crazy to do it. All right, Well, this is fun
Speaker 1: looking back on these ball games. We have another episode
Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow where we will look ahead at the
Speaker 1: conference championship games. I want to also real quick before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, as we went along on this,
Speaker 1: uh just a quick give me thirty seconds on how
Speaker 1: in the world Notre Dame shocks the world tonight.
Speaker 2: Rtt go ahead, Well, they don't they don't allow Ohio
Speaker 2: State's defensive line to wreck shop like they've been doing throughout.
Speaker 3: The entire college Football Playoff.
Speaker 2: Like I know, we look at you know, Jeremiah Smith
Speaker 2: and Will Howard and Traveon Henderson. But to me, it's
Speaker 2: j T Twee Molollow, it's Jack Sawyer, it's Ty Leek,
Speaker 2: it's Ty Williams, that whole crew. If they are the
Speaker 2: dominant position group in this game, Ohio State wins going
Speaker 2: out because that means Jeremiah loves not run the ball
Speaker 2: all over the place and Riley Leonard's getting pressured and
Speaker 2: sacked and hit and that's going to be a recipe
Speaker 2: for disaster. So to me, it's about a lot of
Speaker 2: State's defensive line up front, which has been absolutely dominant
Speaker 2: throughout the course of these last three games.
Speaker 5: To them. Yeah, for me, I may be the long
Speaker 5: whoopingness because I actually like Notre Dame chances of pulling
Speaker 5: this off. And I think the experience that they've had
Speaker 5: in playing Notre Dame playing Ohio State before. I remember
Speaker 5: they played Marvin Harrison junior and they were one of
Speaker 5: the few teams at the time they played man demand
Speaker 5: against Ohio State. I don't believe they're going to fear
Speaker 5: Ohio State like some teams do. I think they're gonna
Speaker 5: match up, They're gonna line up, and they're gonna try
Speaker 5: and make this a Will Howard game. They're going to
Speaker 5: dare the quarterback to make enough big plays to win,
Speaker 5: and if Notre Dame is able to just cobble together
Speaker 5: a similns of offense where they can control the game
Speaker 5: and just get it to the fourth quarter, I feel
Speaker 5: pretty confident that they're gonna be able to lock up
Speaker 5: and play on the outside.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident.
Speaker 1: How many carries if Notre Dame wins the ballgame? How
Speaker 1: many carries for Riley Leonard in this ball game book?
Speaker 4: Oh, I think we used them like a like this
Speaker 4: is a.
Speaker 1: This is a tip. I was gonna say twelve to fifteen.
Speaker 5: Oh, this is this is uh and we've seen this
Speaker 5: because it was funny. He is going to take the
Speaker 5: direct snap, and he's going to power in iso and
Speaker 5: all those things. I think you need no stone unturned. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think fifteen plus is what we're shooting for.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think they got to turn Will
Speaker 1: Howard over to win the ball game. Though, I think
Speaker 1: they've got to turn him over a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what they do. Maybe they just go
Speaker 1: nose to nose, lock him up and uh and they
Speaker 1: make play.
Speaker 4: Either they're gonna blow us out, but we're gonna win it.
Speaker 4: But like playing zone and letting will Howard have whatever
Speaker 4: he wants, that's not the recipe, No risky, no biscuits.
Speaker 1: That was the line. I think it was I remember
Speaker 1: who did the report, but it was maybe it was
Speaker 1: Jay Glazer in the pregame, but he was talking about
Speaker 1: talking to Dan Quinn and he's like, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about today? And he's like, we're going to take
Speaker 1: our swings. I'll tell you that much. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and they did. They were going for it on four
Speaker 1: downs and just like there is no fear in this ojo.
Speaker 1: We might lose, but we aren't going in there to
Speaker 1: be towed and scared. It's all right, looking forward to
Speaker 1: that ballgame. We'll recap that later on a week as well.
Speaker 1: That's going to do it for I appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: hanging on with us, See you next time. Right here,
Speaker 1: onto the sticks,