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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry So this is stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know and we're here to say that you

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Speaker 1: can do it. You can do it. You can accomplish

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Speaker 1: those goals. You can get that tor vet, shoot for

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Speaker 1: the stars, engage your passion to ignite your fury. Ignite

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Speaker 1: your fury. That's my new one. I'm trying to get everybody.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to your motivational seminar Ignite your

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Speaker 1: fears called Igniting Fury with Josh Clark. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I know what Aaron Cooper is doing this week. How

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing pretty good, man. I'm feeling kind

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Speaker 1: of pumped. Took some Vitamin B twelve today. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, as you notice, I cut all

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Speaker 1: that dumb hair off. Yeah looks good. I I like

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Speaker 1: it both ways. Yeah chuck two point? Oh was I

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Speaker 1: chuck two point? I got too hot? Is the real

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Speaker 1: expect Yeah, that'll do it. And literally just drove to

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Speaker 1: the place and said, all right, take it off. I

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Speaker 1: um I mine mine. As you know, as well as

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Speaker 1: has gotten kind of longish, and I've got like that

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Speaker 1: sixth grade skater cut tick where like I'm like just

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Speaker 1: suddenly to the side to get the hair out of

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Speaker 1: my face. Yeah. I think that was another reason I

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Speaker 1: much focus on it, uh, personal focus because it was

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Speaker 1: from you. I mean yeah, just like management and having

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Speaker 1: And I was just like, I just it's been so

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Speaker 1: many years since I've had to focus on my hair.

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Speaker 1: You had to go buy a whole new bottle of

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Speaker 1: mane and tail just felt dumb, I think. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm going I'm going back to

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Speaker 1: Chuck one point. Good for you, man, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to fight club. Thank you. Let me see your fingernails

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Speaker 1: all right? Does look acceptable? What do you think about

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Speaker 1: this topic? I thought that I couldn't ever, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: that the end would never come what like researching it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess we know how we both feel about this.

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Speaker 1: Then it's not even dude. I have to say I

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Speaker 1: got switched mid mid research my the tone of my

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Speaker 1: research changed because of a Nancy Besser. Oh. Um. So

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is my personal opinion. I'll give

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Speaker 1: it at the front and you can decide whether listen

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Speaker 1: to the rest of the episode or not. It's the

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Speaker 1: motivational speaking is so uh flimsy and jelly, like the

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Speaker 1: whole field. It's so unscientifically based and just so prone

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Speaker 1: to hucksterism in a lot of cases that I just

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Speaker 1: I didn't even want to research it. I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I meat this stuff so much. Um. And then part

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Speaker 1: way I was but I was doing my due diligence.

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Speaker 1: I'm a professional, as you know. But um, part way through,

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Speaker 1: I was reading the in the House Stuff Works article

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Speaker 1: about Nancy Besser, and so I went on to her

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Speaker 1: read her I think, like about me or her mission

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and I was like, actually, that's

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything. This lady just said like

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Speaker 1: that's great. Good for her, good for where she came from,

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Speaker 1: good for what she's trying to do if she wants

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Speaker 1: to make some money doing it, awesome. So saying that

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Speaker 1: it definitely changed course and pulled me back from the brink,

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Speaker 1: which I think was really needed because I was really

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Speaker 1: kind of like I was crop circle in it, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Um, she brought me back

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate that to her, and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: find out how I can mail her some money. All right,

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Speaker 1: you want to know my opinion? What's like this? We're

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Speaker 1: gonna front load the opinions and then talk about the

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Speaker 1: more all throughout. UM. My deal is this. If you have, um,

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Speaker 1: a really great story to tell about your life, because

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Speaker 1: maybe you overcome some great adversities. Uh, maybe you're a quadriplegic,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you are a POW or had a life

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Speaker 1: just really good at holding up pep rally um, and

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Speaker 1: that's great. I think that's good for you to say.

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Speaker 1: But I look at that that other scene with a

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot of religious overtones to the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, and that it would be like, well, by

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Speaker 1: this book, uh, and then by this one, and then

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Speaker 1: come to this seminar, and then by this thing, and

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Speaker 1: it takes many many forms, from an inspirational person who

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Speaker 1: next guy. I'll charge somebody three grand to listen to that. Two, Hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a financial seminar where you can get rich, right,

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Speaker 1: a it's kind of like the wild West as far

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Speaker 1: multiple feelings, because inherently there's nothing in and of itself

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Speaker 1: wrong with making an effort to motivate other people to

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Speaker 1: be that that neutral thing or maybe even positive thing

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Speaker 1: can be exploited depending on the context that's used it. Right.

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Speaker 1: There's a really good example of that. There's a book

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Speaker 1: the title, but the whole thing is there's, um, there's

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Speaker 1: my cheese? Is very commonly a book that's purchased by

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Speaker 1: employers when they're going through a downsizing and they're saying

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Speaker 1: people's lives. There's there's that's there. It is in a nutshell,

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Speaker 1: say this, I like UH fictional motivational speakers much more.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was uh Matt Foley, which is mentioned in

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Speaker 1: for the better, Chuck. But long story short, we have

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Speaker 1: So it's sort of a narrower field, but it's niche.

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Speaker 1: on and said like Scottive or something like that. It

426
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Speaker 1: was one of the craziest things anyone's ever done on TV.

427
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: And I'm including up to present day. So so breakthrough

428
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins plot. But that was probably just like a

429
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: blip on that dude's radar. It did nothing to his

430
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: personal brand as far as dragging it down. No, um

431
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: And I don't want to like sound like I'm bashing

432
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: the guy, because you know, he helps a lot of

433
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: people that buy into it and apparently is very philanthropic,

434
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: uh in many ways. So that's good, right, sure of course. Um,

435
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: But he also, um, is a firewalker. This is something

436
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: I did not know U. In his Unleashed the Power

437
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: Within program that he does live, he gets thousands of

438
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: people to walk across hot coals. He's gotten Oprah Winfrey

439
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: to walk across hot coals, and um, you know, firewalkings,

440
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: It's it's a real thing. Um, if you look at

441
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: it scientifically, what's going on is is coals are not

442
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: a very good conductor of heat, so it takes about

443
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: a second to actually feel that heat, and if you

444
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: walk at a good clip, it's about a half a second.

445
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: So what you're doing is not really And I don't

446
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: think he's saying there's some danger you're overcoming. I think

447
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: in his case, it's you're overcoming a fear and taking

448
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: part in a group activity and that's where the benefit is.

449
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: It's like staring at those coals and doing it. I

450
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's saying, like, look, it's magic because of me.

451
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: You're not getting burned. I don't know. I think that

452
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: what he's the premise of his fire walking thing and

453
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: at these conferences is to show people that they can

454
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: overcome even physical problems like hot coals on their feet

455
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: by using their mind. I thought it was like the fear. No,

456
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I think in reality that's what's going on. But I

457
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: believe from what I understand, that it's being presented that

458
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: you can say something like yes or cool moss, and

459
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: you're using your mind to overcome the dilemma of the

460
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: hot posed by the hot coals on your feet. Okay,

461
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: fair enough, right? Uh? It all kind of went wrong

462
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: in Dallas though in there was an event there where um,

463
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: thirty to forty people were evaluated. I think five people

464
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: were taken to the hospital with burn injuries, and um,

465
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: his spokesperson, Jennifer Connelly said, you know what, only five

466
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: people out of seven thousand requested examination beyond what we

467
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: had on site to examine people, and you know, everyone

468
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: had a great time. Basically, I have to say, statistically speaking,

469
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: she makes an excellent point. And there's actually somebody in

470
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: this article, um, oh, what's her name, Irene Wiseman. Yeah,

471
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: who really kind of put it well, she seems to

472
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: be somebody who goes to these things to go to

473
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: she goes. She definitely goes to Robbin's conferences, um, but

474
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: she also seems to understand what's going on at them,

475
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: rather than like maybe buying into a lock stock and barrel.

476
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: And from what I've seen, someone like her, someone who

477
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: approaches a motivational speaking conference with her own set of

478
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: judgments and values about it and is able to take

479
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: that message and adjust it so that it works for her,

480
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: rather than trying to take everything from the person wholesale

481
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: and putting it onto you so that you're basically magically changed.

482
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Those people have the greatest greatest chance of succeeding, um

483
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: at whatever they're being motivated to do. But she she

484
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: basically she puts the firewalk like that. She was saying,

485
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: like the real magic is that there were ten thousand

486
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: five people waiting their turn to walk over these colds,

487
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: and everyone was exuberant and calm and happy. Nobody was

488
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: irritated or you know, um like hurry up or anything

489
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: like that. It was a neat communal feeling waiting in

490
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: line to go do the fire the firewalk, and she

491
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: she did the firewalks. She said it was cool or whatever. Um,

492
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: but it was more about the camaraderie in the community

493
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: that developed in line waiting for the firewalk. For her,

494
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: it definitely is. And I think if you asked Tony Robbins,

495
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: maybe he'll come onto the show and talk to us

496
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: about it sometime. Okay, if you asked Tony Robbins, I

497
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: would guess that he would concede. Uh that, Yes, you

498
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: could interpret his conferences as a Pepper rallying. I don't know,

499
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I want to say something, Chuck,

500
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I hold the skeptic community to account for not giving

501
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: more ink to motivational the motivational speaking industry. Yeah, I

502
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot. And I specifically looked from skeptic sites. Yep,

503
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: me too, and it's almost not there. So that that

504
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: has two things. One that skeptics either think that it

505
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: is right, that's fine, or they think it's so ridiculous

506
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that it's not even worth writing about, which I don't

507
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: think that's the case, because skeptics write about some pretty

508
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: ridiculous stuff. Well, I looked at this one article. I

509
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw it from the guy who

510
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: walked out of a conference, a Tony Robbins conference. Did

511
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: you see that one? Um, this guy was by all

512
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: accounts from what he said, someone who should be into it.

513
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: He's like, I wasn't there to bust him. I'm not

514
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: a skeptic. He was like, I h have read some

515
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: of his books. I'm a fan, Like I'm into it. Uh.

516
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: And he walked out and he just had a very

517
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: like just a very leveled critical eye on the presentation,

518
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: not like this guy is this and this. He was

519
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, he repeated himself too much,

520
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: and he name dropped too much, and um, he kind

521
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: of had some bad segues that and non sequiturs, and

522
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: he just looked at it sort of from a critical

523
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: i of a public speaker, and it was kind of

524
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: like this he's he's kind of phoning it in these days.

525
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: So it was, Oh, it was Tony Robbins himself that

526
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: he walked out on. Yeah, and he was just like,

527
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, I left, He said, I just found that

528
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't really getting anything out of it. And he

529
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: didn't go there to to poopoo the guy. Um, like

530
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: I said, he was a fan, so he just it's

531
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: kind of like he you know, he ditched the capris

532
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: and and and start doing a better presentation, was his take?

533
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Gotcha the capris Tony Robbins his capri pants, he sure does.

534
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Does he really like the ones with the drawstrings at

535
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: the bottom in the cargo pockets? No? Does he really?

536
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: I've not seen that. All right, Well let's take a

537
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: break and let Josh ponder that, and we'll come back

538
00:32:44,000 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: and finish up this stuff right after this. All right,

539
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: So Tony Robbins isn't the only person out there that's

540
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: made a ton of money doing this. They want to

541
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: pick on him. No, we should say a ton of money.

542
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: His six day conference, Um, I think it's called Date

543
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: with Destiny this year and last year. So the the

544
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Irene Wiseman said there were ten thousand, five hundred people there.

545
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: The tickets were about four thousand dollars apiece. That's forty

546
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: two million dollars they grossed for a sixth day conference.

547
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: He should call that conference credit cards on fire. Yeah.

548
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I read an article, I think in Forbes about the

549
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: Chinese UM motivational speaking industry, and um, there's this one

550
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: person who's like, who's going to sign up for the

551
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: for my other classes and um, like, some people came

552
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: to the front and a ring of people with like

553
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: wireless credit card machines formed around them. Oh my god, yeah, wow, yeah,

554
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: one of us, one of us man's creepy. Uh So

555
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins isn't the only person out there who's done

556
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: this over the Here's many, many people, I think, I mean,

557
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: I didn't it say there was something like close to

558
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: five registered motivational speakers in the U s alone, think

559
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: like six something. That was it. But very famously, a

560
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: man named Jack Canfield wrote a book called Chicken Soup

561
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: for the Soul. Um and this is an amazing record.

562
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: He holds the Guinness Record for having seven books on

563
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: the New York Times bestseller list at the same time.

564
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Did you know they wrote one for chicken

565
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: Soup for the prisoner's soul, They wrote one for people

566
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: in prison? M I did not know that. And also

567
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: did you know Ashton Kutcher is trying to bring Chicken

568
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Soup for the Soul to Netflix the Coach as what

569
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: a documentary? Or's I have no idea, that's that's all

570
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I saw. Or he's starring his Chicken Soup he's starring

571
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: his noodle I book a lot of fun at the coach.

572
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: But he seems like a pretty sincere guy. Uh sure, No,

573
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't know. I I've I've

574
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: learned to just try to shy away from no from

575
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: from like saying stuff about people on air. People I

576
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know him. He's a celebrity. That's

577
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: all I know about him, you know, like, and even

578
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: if I did know more about him, and that's not

579
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: the whole picture. So I have no idea what he's like.

580
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: Is a person just based on knowing people he that's

581
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: probably likeliest that he is a good person. Wayne Dyer,

582
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: another famous author, no longer with us. I wrote a

583
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: book called Your Erroneous Zones, and a lot of these people,

584
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: it seems like, started out as book writers. That's the

585
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: best way. That used to be the best way to

586
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: get started. Now I think the best way to get

587
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: started is to just start speaking and then write your

588
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: books based on your successes there. You want to do

589
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: that almost simultaneously too, because one of the things you

590
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: do if you're an motivational speaker is mentioned by the way,

591
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: I've got even more insights that are going to help

592
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: you out, and my books that are available for sale

593
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: right outside. Yeah, that's when it reeks of scientology to me.

594
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: It's like you can unlock more discoveries by buying more things.

595
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: But all, yeah, all of them do that. Like you're

596
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: a fool if you're a motivational speaker who doesn't have

597
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: a book for sale at your conference, Like you're doing

598
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: it wrong. Right, as far as the industry would be concerned,

599
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: I think that in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean

600
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: that you are a huckster. But there are plenty of

601
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: them in the industry that are hucksters because all they're

602
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: they're doing is selling their book or their class or

603
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: there's something they're They're motivational speech is actually just a

604
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: sales pitch. That's the hucksters, and there's plenty of them

605
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: in the industry. Yes, should we talk about get motivated? Yeah?

606
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: We should. This is a seminar series that was started

607
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: in two thousand two by guy named Peter Lowe and

608
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: in the article I read, he has described as the

609
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: son of a missionary who along with his ex wife Tamarra,

610
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: who was a self help book author who writes Christian

611
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: rap started, uh something that a series called Get Motivated

612
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: that UM is filling up stadiums that at one point

613
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: and no longer, but at one point was in business

614
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: with TD Ameritrade. Yeah. I think they started with a

615
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: legitimate motivational speaker conference, Okay, and then over time said hey,

616
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: you know what, we could get somebody in here to

617
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: to underwrite a lot of this and UM they can

618
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: just give they can basically put ads in amongst the

619
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: motivational speakers. Yeah. So they partnered up with t d

620
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: AMR Trade with this UM product they hauled had called

621
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: invest Tools UM and they're no longer in business together,

622
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: but Get Motivated still out there. I'm not sure if

623
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: they're partnering with anyone or not. No, they have a

624
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: new owner called wealth Rock that has their own investing

625
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: classes that they now sell exclusively. I think are the

626
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: only things that are sold at the Get Motivated conferences. Okay,

627
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: So here's a long and short of it. What they

628
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: do is they charge very little money. It's not like

629
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: you have to pay thousands of dollars like Tony Robbins

630
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: UM live event, but you pay like five bucks or

631
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: something and say hey, I can go here. Colin Powell

632
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: speak or Terry Bradshaw or who else they they have U,

633
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Laura Bush or Juliani. And who wouldn't go here speeches

634
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: by them for five bucks besides me? Uh? And then

635
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: you go and you h you would, um for five bucks.

636
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Speaker 1: I'd go see Colin all for five bucks if he

637
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Speaker 1: spoke in my living room. How's that? Uh, let's make

638
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Speaker 1: it happen, America. That's a riff on an old joke

639
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: my dad used to say, which was when he wanted

640
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Speaker 1: to denigrate a performer, you would say, I wouldn't go

641
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: see them if they were playing in my backyard. I've

642
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: heard that before too. That's such a seventies dad thing

643
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: to totally. Um. So anyway, you would go and you

644
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: would listen to these motivational speeches. Um. And then what's

645
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: going on is is their financial they're selling a financial

646
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: product basically right, And again it's it's like you've got

647
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Speaker 1: actual like Colin Powell's not like. And by the way,

648
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Speaker 1: if I mentioned how great t D and Merri Trades

649
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: investment tools are, They've helped me out a lot. He

650
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: just paid a boatload of money to go speak exactly,

651
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: and he's giving like a real motivational speech. Right. And

652
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: then after Colin Powell, you have some guy come up

653
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: and say, hey, who wants a Corvette and they flashed

654
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: a picture of a Corvette and everybody raises their hand.

655
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: He's like, you can have them with corvette too, with

656
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: invest tools or whatever. Right. So the criticism of this

657
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: is that these people are super pumped and ready to

658
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: just do anything because they're feeling really good thanks to

659
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Colin Pal's speech. And then now they're getting this the

660
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: sales pitch that's being wedged in between these motivational speakers,

661
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Speaker 1: So of course they're signing up for this and and

662
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: maybe without really fully understanding what's going on. Um. The

663
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Speaker 1: on the other side, the t D A Mere trade

664
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Speaker 1: people say, how are you gonna do a hard sell with,

665
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Speaker 1: you know, to twenty people in a stadium. You can't like, like,

666
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: that's just that's that's ridiculous to say that these people

667
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: had a hard sales pitch leveled against them. The point

668
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: is that people who went went thinking they were going

669
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Speaker 1: to a motivational speaking event a conference, and it turns

670
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Speaker 1: out the whole thing was just a t D A

671
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Speaker 1: mere trade add to get them to give them their

672
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Speaker 1: money for these investment tools that may or may not

673
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Speaker 1: help them actually make money from that point, well, yeah,

674
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: and uh. In two thousand nine, investivals UM agreed to

675
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Speaker 1: pay three million dollars UH to settle UM allegations from

676
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: the SEC that it let instructors mislead students and the

677
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: things that can make extraordinary profits. Uh and to claim

678
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: they were expert option traders when their income was really

679
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: coming from selling the courses. Yeah. Apparently one of the

680
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: instructors said, like, the returns were guaranteed, you can't you

681
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: cannot do that. And apparently you're also not supposed to

682
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: say what percentage return you can offer, and they they

683
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: apparently said seventeen percent, which is just ridiculous. And these

684
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: are options that we're talking about. These are not like

685
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: stock trades, where you know, you can do a little

686
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: research and figure out stock trades and you're not necessarily

687
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: swimming with sharks. These were options. Options are extremely complex

688
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: and difficult, and they cost more to trade than a

689
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: stock trade does, and you're much more apt to lose

690
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: money because you don't understand what you're doing. There's a

691
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: lot more factors involved in whether you make money off

692
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: of investing in options. Or not. So this is like

693
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: they're going to people who are paying to see you know,

694
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: Colin Powell and Laura Bush speak because they admire them,

695
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: and then they're they're getting sold these supposedly classes on

696
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: investing in very sophisticated financial tools. It's just you shouldn't

697
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: do that. You know. Their lineup is now who I

698
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: went to get motivated website and like, did you say

699
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: that they had they had their own product? Now yeah,

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Speaker 1: Wealth Rock is the owner I believe spelled r A

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Speaker 1: W k uh. Their current lineup right now for this

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00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: next tour is Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank,

703
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the Duck Dynasty dudes. All right, do you

704
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: know his name? Larry King? Really? Yeah? Okay? Um. A

705
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: woman named Mangeet Minhas who I believe I looked into

706
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: her briefly. She's started breweries and wineries in Canada, made

707
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: a lot of money and then finally rounding it out

708
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: Edwards Snowden. That's a good one, man, that's quite I'm

709
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: sure Edward Snowden. I want to be in the green

710
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: room with Edward Snowden and the Duck Dynasty guy. Well,

711
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: you're you're joking about Edward Snowden. Oh that's four real. No, yes,

712
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: no it's not. Yes, it is what and under his

713
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: thing it says, uh what did it say? I mean,

714
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Speaker 1: you know, says entrepreneur below one and said duck Dynasty

715
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Speaker 1: star and blow him, it says whistle blower. No, Edward

716
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: Snowden is doing this conference. Yes, well I'm going I

717
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: gotta hear this. Yeah. Wow, strange times. It is strange times.

718
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I like what Wealth Rock is doing

719
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: these days? Uh. In two thousand five, that was an

720
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: investigative journalist named Steve Salerna who um wrote a book

721
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Speaker 1: called SHAM, which stands for self help in Actualization movement,

722
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: called SHAM colin how the self help movement made America

723
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: helpless And he kind of peeled back. He he didn't

724
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: hold any punches and kind of peeled back the the

725
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: thin layer on this industry and um basically said, there's

726
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: no science behind this, uh, these techniques, there's no evidence

727
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: that this stuff is effective at all. Um, it could

728
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: be just coincidence or people may not be uh maybe

729
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: are not helped by this industry at all. Right, And

730
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: he was saying, like just the law of Averages says

731
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: that if enough people try it, some of them are

732
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: going to be helped, and they may even be helped

733
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Speaker 1: just by other things or by things other than whatever

734
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: the motivational speaker was telling him to do, but it

735
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: will be attributed to the motivational speaker. And if you

736
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Speaker 1: get some people who are willing to give testam O'Neills,

737
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: then that just helps feed the beast, basically right. And

738
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: if you're not helped, then the common line as well,

739
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: you just you're not buying in like you can. Yeah,

740
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: this is where it gets insidious to me. It's where

741
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the it's is built in self defense. I guess deflection

742
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: mechanism for for motivation the motivational speaking industry, which is, yeah,

743
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: you're not enough of a believer, you don't have enough passion,

744
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: you're um not trying hard enough, Like you're the problem,

745
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: you're failing, you're the loser, you're committed to losing. That's

746
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: another one too, and that's despicable to me. If you're

747
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: if you are deflecting blame from yourself and your own

748
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: shoddy product, that's not actually helping people onto somebody who

749
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: is really looking for help because they don't think that

750
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: they have the real strength and of in themselves too

751
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: to overcome the adversity they face. Okay, um, holding it back, man,

752
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: Well you said that great article, Three reasons why most

753
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: motivational speakers are dead wrong, And that was one of

754
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: the things that um that this author, Well did you

755
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: have his name? Uh? He is Hoffman. His name is

756
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Bobby Hoffman. Yeah, that was one of the things he

757
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: brought up, that is that it's undebunkable basically because they

758
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: can always just put it back on the person do that. Yeah,

759
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: it's not good at all. No, So I mean, I

760
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: guess in a nutshell the and apparently in a nutshell

761
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: was Dale Carnegie thing. But in a nutshell the motivational

762
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: speaking industry, it can be good and can be bad depending. Yeah,

763
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: and I know we spent a lot of time in

764
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: retrospect now slamming it all. But um, like I said,

765
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: good for you. If you do have a legitimate sincere

766
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: hardship overcoming a hardship life story to tell and that

767
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: helps people out and you can make a buck doing it,

768
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: then I think that's awesome. Yeah. And again, if you're

769
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: somebody who's looking to be motivated by a motivational speaker.

770
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: If what somebody is saying makes a lot of sense

771
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: to you, it feels right, you feel good listening to them,

772
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: reading their books, hearing what they have to say. UM,

773
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: more power to you. I I don't knock that at all. No,

774
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: just tread lightly and go into it with a with

775
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: a intelligent I. There you go. I don't want to

776
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: see anyone get duped, you know. Okay, those our our

777
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: public service for the week. Goodness. Uh. If you want

778
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: to learn more about motivational speaking, type those words in

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Speaker 1: the search bar how stuff works dot com. And since

780
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: I said that, it's time for a listener mail, I'm

781
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna call this ghost fishing follow up UM from Anthony

782
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: and Charlotte, North Carolina. Hey, guys, just finished ghost fishing

783
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: and glad you covered this really important topic of an

784
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: environmental scientist who studies fishing water in North Carolina. Have

785
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: worked in this field all over the country. While the

786
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: commercial fishing industry is extremely detrimental to marine life, recreational

787
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: fishing causes a lot of fish to die and freshwater

788
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: because of littering from it. And this is something I

789
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: really thought about as UM. Seldom fishermen many fishermen and

790
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: women throw little excess bits of line while tying knots

791
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: on the ground or in the water while the fishing.

792
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: This monofilament goes in the waterways, and if you look

793
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: into the gut of many fish, turtles, birds, and other

794
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: life associated with water, you almost always find this fishing

795
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: line and hooks stuck in the various biota or the

796
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: biota being stuck in the gear. I would highly recommend

797
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: fishermen and women, let's just say fisher people, uh, fisher

798
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: kings of fisher kings, to make sure they put this

799
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: extra line in their pocket to dispose of later, or

800
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: use an environmentally friendly nylon line that if they can

801
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: find it. This monofilament line just does not break down

802
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: over time like the nylon does. Just wanted to share

803
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: this with you all. Many people are unaware of the

804
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: harm they can do without meaning to these little bits

805
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: of line, and I hope it can help people be

806
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: more aware while they're fishing. Good Yeah, thanks Anthony from Charlotte.

807
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: I'd never really thought about that my own self, and

808
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: that's wrong. Yeah, good going, Anthony, much appreciated. If you

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00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us like Anthony did,

810
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: and give us a heads up on something We love

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