1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: We're going to combine articles Ken Rosenthon, Will Samon talking 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: about the luxury tax impact on the slowness of the market, 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Evan Dralik, and Katie Wu talking about the TV money 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: disappearing that is affecting more of the mid level teams. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: And then you look up and you're like, okay, So 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: if the big market teams are affected, the mid market 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: teams are affected, and the small market teams don't spend. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: This is where you also have issues to find teams 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: that are going to pay money in free agency. So 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: on the luxury tax threshold part, there are many teams 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: that are paying about double the price for anybody that 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: they pick up. At this point, Edwin Diaz signed by 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. His number if you factor in the deferrals, 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: is twenty one million, but he's costing the Dodgers about 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: forty three million. If the Dodgers got Kyle Tucker for 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: forty million year, he would cost them about eighty four mil. 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Blue Jays don't have as much of a hit, but 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: it's pretty close. Blue Jay's forty mil for Kyle Tucker 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: would cost them seventy six mils. So if we're just 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: doing rough numbers, like, he's costing double why luxury tax penalties? 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: That's what a soft salary cap is. And so it 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: hits the Blue Jays, the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees. Right, 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that play ball for 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: these types of players, but in their brain they go, hey, 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: this isn't forty. This guy costs US eighty million dollars 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: per season if we're over the luxury tax thresholds. Right, 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: that's the rough mat. Now that's how they do it, 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: I know, but that's that is a barrier. That's an 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: obstacle for some teams. 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: And then there's other teams that are like, we don't care. 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dodgers who said, will spend one hundred and 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: sixty nine million on the luxury tax because we won 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: the World Series and we're making two. 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: Hundred plus million off show he every year and Yamamoto 35 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: and Freddy. 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: And playoff games and winning World Series merch Blue Jays 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: made one hundred plus. We'll get to that at Somes 38 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: made over one hundred million. Okay, So that's one part 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: of the puzzle. 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: It's weird how when you win you make more money. 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: That is the key stream life. 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: I never have never heard that. Yeah, if you win, 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: you make more money. 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: Some teams think, well, if I signed a Japanese player, 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I get more marketing. But you know what also just 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: helps winning. Winning creates playoff games, creates more merch sales, 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: more season ticket sales, blah blah blah, And okay, that's 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: one piece of the puzzle. The next one is an 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: article that came out that said nine MLB teams TV 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: money in jeopardy as FanDuel networks continue to struggle. This 51 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: article put together by Evandralik and Katie Wu, that network 52 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: has a chance of folding, has a chance of moving 53 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: to the zone which is looking to buy them. For 54 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: baseball fans to know, it means that baseball teams are 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: either going to get less money to stay on this 56 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: network than they were anticipating, or all of this ends 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: up going to the league taking over those teams, and 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: if that happens, they get no guaranteed money. It's more 59 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: of a rev split based on distribution of the percentage 60 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: of sales, sponsorship sales, etc. So, just to give an example, 61 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: and the teams involved on this are the Braves, the Reds, 62 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: the Tigers, the Royals, the Angels, the Marlins, the Brewers, 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Rays, the Nats are probably likely hopping over. 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: They weren't coming from this FANDL TV situation, but they 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: also are probably hopping over to MLB. 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: What does this do? 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: This creates cost uncertainty. Gms say how much can I spend? 68 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: And owners say, I don't know how much are we 69 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: getting getting in the local TV money? The national deals 70 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: are done for long time, right, they know how much 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: they're getting. One more year I take for the national deals, Well, 72 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: they all end out after next year. 73 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: It's after twenty six. 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, sorry, after twenty eight, after twenty seven, 75 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: after twenty seven. Let me give an example of a 76 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: local deal. Okay, and I'm just gonna throw a random 77 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: number out there. If you are the Cincinnati Reds and 78 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: you were getting fifty MILLLI a year, I'm making that 79 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: number up. Okay, fifty MILLI a year from the network 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty sixth season. That's either going to 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: get reduced or be gone. And instead of that number, 82 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: MLB takes it over and they give you a percentage 83 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: of what you make for the year, which it end 84 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: up being half of that. So what happens ownership goes 85 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to GM and says, hey, I don't know how much 86 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: we have now, and we might have half of that, 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: we might have less than half of that. That creates 88 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: a huge issue with a bunch of these teams that 89 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: are I would say more in like the ten to twenty, right. 90 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: The Cardinals, the Reds. 91 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: The Tigers, the Royals, the Angels, even the Brewers. So 92 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: we have both of these factors combined. And when people 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: say why is there such a hold up with the 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: free agent market, this is one of those reasons. 95 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: I can't argue that everything he said is true. 96 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: But that's more recent news with the TV. Yeah, many gms. 97 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: This is a really good article by Evan and Katie. 98 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: Many gms didn't see this part coming. They thought they 99 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: were okay, but. 100 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: Because fandals said they could cover it and now started 101 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: to miss payments. And when we say they missed that 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: NHL or NBA, they have already missed payments on certain teams, 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: right the Cardinals, and they missed the card. 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: They missed on the Cardinals. So what that does is 105 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: it means the Cardinals can just get out of the 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: deal now because they didn't get their payment or are 107 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: they're going to go. They most of them just go 108 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: to MLB. But then MLB's plan. 109 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: Is the teams under their Yes, anyway, yes, this is 110 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: a Rob Manfred's dream. 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: It is Rob Manfred's dream. They're going to have like 112 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: twenty something teams and then it's just. 113 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: But then you have the Dodgers, the best separate, the 114 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: Red Sox, the Yankees, the Cubs that have their own 115 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: I guess the White Sox you can throw in there. 116 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: They have their own TV network. Phill Giants, Yeah, Phillies Giants, 117 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: but I'm talking like the Big Ones. 118 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a separate that's later on, yeah, right, 119 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: but for now, this is the immediate is these teams 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: might not have a TV home right now, and if 121 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: they do, they will get less money than they anticipated. 122 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: But yes, the Cardinals there was a mispayment. Main Street, 123 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: which runs all of these sports networks. According to this 124 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: article from Evan Drelik, lost approximately two hundred million dollars 125 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five across its portfolio, which includes baseball. 126 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: But they've also missed payments to NBA teams as well, 127 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: and they have been NHL teams involved, So it sounds 128 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: a little complicated. I'm trying to simplify this for baseball terms. 129 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: For baseball terms, there are teams that don't know how 130 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: much they can budget for their free agent spending. And 131 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: you might say, who cares. The teams can still afford 132 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: to do stuff. I agree, but that's not how things 133 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: are looked at. 134 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Right. 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: Most owners are looking at their team and saying, this 136 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: is how much I have allotted for you to spend 137 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: for free agency. Right, you can spend fifty million dollars 138 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: on twenty twenty six contracts additional to what we already 139 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: have committed, and then the GM goes okay. And then 140 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: now in the past week, the owner might have gone 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: to his GM and said, just kidding, you have half 142 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: that because I'm anticipating about half that for the local 143 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: TV deal, and in terms of our big pot and 144 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: how I budget it, we just lost some money, agreed. 145 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to explain how that impact everything 146 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: and why it's going to make free agency even messier. 147 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: And what's going to really happen is probably less money 148 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: for free agents. Will it affect the big boys as much? 149 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Probably not? But at you always love to say, is 150 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: who's going to get affected by this? Most most likely. 151 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: The majority of big league players, not the superstars. The majority. Yes, 152 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: that's it. That's where it's always going to be. Manipulation 153 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: of playing time or manipulation of service time. Salary salary 154 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: collusion doesn't affect the superstars. It's the eighty five percent 155 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: to eighty seven percent of guys in the league who 156 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: are one to six or one to six years of 157 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 2: service or the ones who are you know, that veteran 158 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: at the end of his career looking for one year deals. 159 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Just squash eighty five percent of salaries down. It's totally 160 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: fine if we call up a prospect or even just 161 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: a triple A guy who's gonna make the league minim 162 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: because that's the easiest way to save money exactly. 163 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: So that's what we're playing with right now. That's why 164 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: so many teams are in a state of limbo. You've 165 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: got about a third of the league in a state 166 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of limbo based off their TV money. You've got another 167 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: third of the league that looks at most of free 168 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: agency now and says I need to factor in double 169 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and then the other third of the league doesn't really 170 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: participate in free agency anyway. 171 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: Or much less. They play on the margins. They're looking 172 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: for the advantages on the margins. 173 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Right. 174 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Or or last year got involved or last year those 175 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: teams got fifteen plus million dollars from the luxury tax 176 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: from Rob Manford saying sorry about your local TV revenue, 177 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: will help you out. Now this year, sorry, we're not 178 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: giving you the extra It's like Christmas vacation. They gave it. 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: He gave a Christmas bonus last year to those teams 180 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: whose local TV markets got crushed. Or you know we're 181 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: going through limbo and now Rob this year was like 182 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: you get Jelly of the Month club. 183 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: You know why they're not doing that though, I'll back 184 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: the league on this one. They'd be doing this for 185 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: like half the league at this point. There's too many 186 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: teams that they'd have to give these this extra money to. 187 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: And then also it becomes a politics game. You're talking 188 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: to every owner on the phone. How come the race 189 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: got an extra fifteen in the rigs only got an 190 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: extra ten? 191 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: Like it? 192 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: It gets pretty hairy pretty quickly. So, yes, what Kratz 193 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: is referring to is there was like kind of an 194 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: emergency slush fund situation they were giving teams. But that's 195 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: not happening anymore. So if you want to read more 196 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: about it and sound way smarter than we just did 197 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: the athletic evandralic Katie Wu, go check it out. 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said. 199 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: That's what he said. 200 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: That's what he said. Well, the Dodgers don't get to 202 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: have all the fun with the Japanese media and the fanfare. 203 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: The White Sox will have fun, but the Blue Jays 204 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: will also have a lot of fun with Kazuma O 205 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Komodo aka big Baby aka Big Oak or Kazu works 206 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: fine too. Those are some of the nicknames that he 207 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: threw out there, and he said, his agent, Boris came. 208 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: Can nickname yourself kid, big Oak, little Oak? Like baaby 209 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: no can nickname herself? 210 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: He didn't come up with big Oak, Boris did. 211 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like him doing it though. 212 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: So the fans just have to organically. 213 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: It has to be organic bring it. Can't just be 214 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: like you know, cratses. Can't walk out there and be like, 215 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: call me special k what. 216 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: Do you think of this? Nope, say all thirty MLB 217 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: logos in front of his daughter and she pointed to 218 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: the Blue Jays and that plus sixty million dollars, is 219 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: why he decided on the Blue Jays. 220 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: Duh, No, it's more than sixty million. Yeah. If his 221 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: if his daughter would have picked the Pirates but they 222 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: didn't want I'd be like, I'm going to the Pirates. 223 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: They only offered me. 224 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: They did want them, but probably for half the press. Yeah, exactly. 225 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: So the Blue Jays now will have a Japanese player 226 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: who was a star in the NPB, and apparently it 227 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: was just flooded with Japanese media, tons of coverage of 228 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: this press conference, and he put on a show Kratz. 229 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: It gets us into the bigger conversation of a pretty 230 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: epic run for the Blue Jays right now in the offseason, 231 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and that could continue with their pursuit of someone like 232 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker. But there was an article put out there 233 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: by Rob Longley, who writes for the Toronto Sun, and 234 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: within that he said the Blue Jays postseason run was 235 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: estimated to be worth one hundred million dollars to Rogers. 236 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: They own the Blue Jays. One hundred million dollars. 237 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: It's Careada. 238 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: It's not just amazing. 239 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 2: It's not just Toronto, it's not just iron A's can 240 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: it like when you're coming over from Japan. You can 241 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: go to Vancouver. Vancouver's beautiful, like there's everybody thinks Seattle, 242 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, La, You're going to West coast San Francisco. 243 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: But there is a there's a strong contingent that I 244 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: think the Blue Jays saw in the playoffs. But I 245 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: would be I would you know, you would not even 246 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: be thinking back too far if you're like, oh wow, 247 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: they just realized this. In the playoffs. They went hard 248 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: after Otani. Did they ever have a chance. That's not 249 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: to be discussed. Roki Sasaki, they went hard after him. 250 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: They've known this for a while and now they got 251 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: to see it in the playoffs. Some people forget they 252 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: did that. They did that advertising on the UH. I 253 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: think it was a mixed martial arts or it could 254 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: have been boxing ring in Japan that was on TV, 255 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,119 Speaker 2: like they Blue Jay's logo was there. Good for them, 256 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: Good for them. This is something that they're not afraid 257 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: to take advantage of. And now they have a player 258 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: who is he a star? No he's not Otani. No 259 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: he's not Yamamoto, He's not you know, he probably isn't 260 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: even the level of star. Start him as Imai, but 261 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: you know what, he's their guy and it's going to 262 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: bring so much when you play. I'm sure AJ knows 263 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: he played with different Japanese players, but when you play 264 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: with a Japanese player, it doesn't matter if he's not 265 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: a star or not. I played with Aki Noori Yuwamura, 266 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: who was a gold Glover over in Japan at the 267 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: end of his career in Pittsburgh, and he had a 268 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: contingent of a few reporters. The better the player, the 269 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: more contingent of reporters, that means the more coverage for 270 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: your team. Oh yeah, and he's a good player. And 271 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays were on the cusp of winning the 272 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: World Series last year, so it's a great move by them. 273 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen, Do you know who the 274 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: most popular player on the Blue Jays was? 275 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: Uh kasuk the Muna Nori Kawasaki. I had the funny interviews. 276 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: Well never crowned, yes, yep. Getting back to but by the. 277 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 2: Way, people, people that have never been to Toronto crash you. 278 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: You played there, so you understand this. I don't know 279 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: if you've ever been there, Ska, but many times it 280 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: is an international city. It's not it's it's not. 281 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Just it feels more like Europe than it does it 282 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: does in the US. It does, right, I've been there 283 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: many times in that party, it is. 284 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: More of an Internet. And then if you go to Vancouver, 285 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: which I don't know if you guys have ever been 286 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: to Vancouver, it is even more. It's even more because 287 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: it's on the West coast, so you're closer to Asia. 288 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Right, So you have a lot of Montreals very European. 289 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, but Toronto, for an East coast city like 290 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: that is very international. And before people say yes, of 291 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: course is international in Canada, I mean not non North American, right, Like, 292 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: it feels like there are people from everywhere that descend 293 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: upon Toronto. So if you can tap into the Asian 294 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: markets we talked to well but Jerry Reinsorf a couple 295 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: of days ago in the White Sox when they signed 296 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: Mark Company. Right, it taps into this Japanese cultural thing 297 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: about baseball that they have where they want to know 298 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: everything about every player. And I played with Tadahito Gucci 299 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: when he came over, and I played with some other 300 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: Japanese guy. I played with you Darvish when he was 301 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: just coming over they're they're following is incredible. They everything 302 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: they do. They don't know how many swings they had 303 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: and beap, how many bullpen pitches they threw, how many 304 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: this they did, how many PE's they took today. I 305 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: mean it's like how many hairs did they cut when 306 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: they got an haircut. It's incredible. It's it's actually a 307 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: little bit insane sometimes to me. 308 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how the NFL is Sometimes like 309 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: some stupid story becomes a big thing and they're like, 310 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: why is this the thing. It's just because it's the 311 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: most popular sport in the country. So take that and 312 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: plus it up because there's less competition for sports that 313 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: they're interested in. I mean, baseball dominates in Japan. Back 314 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: to Canada for a moment. It's not just the post 315 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: season ticket sales and the merch and season ticket sales 316 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: for the next year, the whole deal. This article also 317 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: talks about an enormous boost to Sportsnet that's an all 318 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: sports channel that battles with Bell Media owned TSN. Right, 319 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: those are the big networks up in Canada. And they said, 320 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, television in general, obviously in cable has faced 321 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: challenges and there are less subscribers. Many of them are 322 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: on spots like YouTube. With us, there's still plenty, but 323 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: it's more of a battle, right So the Blue Jays 324 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: success made making sure you have that channel a high priority, 325 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: and Edward Rogers told the Financial Post, We've done very 326 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: well at getting a lot of sports fans who may 327 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: not have a traditional cable package. So keeping that audience 328 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: growing is important, and we think sports nets prospects are 329 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: very strong. So they spoke about how it goes beyond 330 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: just what you're seeing at the ballpark and making the 331 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: playoffs and all of that, Like, it's a huge TV 332 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: business that people are signing up for to get subscriptions. 333 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: But they do spell Sports Center with. 334 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: An R at the end. Which one and there's a 335 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: lot of offense with the C isn't rumor r U 336 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: m O U R. 337 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some different spellings out there. 338 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: I respect all of it. It's just one of my 339 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: best friends. 340 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: It's one of the weirdest things, though, when you go 341 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: up there for the first time, like when you're a 342 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: young player and you go to Toronto for the first summer. 343 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: Even when I was in Triple A, we did Calgary 344 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: and Edmonton and Vancouver, and some of the other places. 345 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: And you go up there and you turn on TSN 346 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: and it's a sports center and it's spelled different, and 347 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: you look at your roommate. You're like, wait, do I 348 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: see things because you used you were at the time. 349 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: You're used to ESPN right and sports center sports center 350 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: and they go welcome to sports Center on TSN, and 351 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: you're like, wait, something's not right. Spell just spelled wrong. 352 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: I love it. No, it's a great I love going 353 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: to I love Toronto, I do. I love going there. 354 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: It was fun, really really good baseball to have the 355 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Blue Jays be so relevant right now, they got to 356 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: follow it up. But the front office and ownership is 357 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: doing everything they can to say, damn, we made a 358 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: ton of money one hundred mili plus, let's spend. 359 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: And the helps of the Canadian dollar, helps of the 360 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: Canadian dollars a little bit stronger too than it has 361 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: been in the last few years, just saying it's a 362 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: team that there's there's a lot of there's a lot 363 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: of extra cash on the margins there when the team 364 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: you get half your checking Canadian half of it from 365 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: you get it all in US dollars, but part of 366 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: it comes from Canadian dollars translated, and then part of 367 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: it is the US dollar. Right. 368 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of math behind the scene that 369 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: can make it either either easier or more difficult that 370 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: MGM futures regular season win totals. Hey, you can make 371 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: some money if you've got an inclination of what you 372 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: think is going to go down in an off season. Right, 373 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: if you're one of those people that think, say, the 374 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: Yankees are going to do two three more things this offseason, 375 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: then you might look at this win total and say, okay, 376 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: under the number for the Yankees is ninety three and 377 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: a half. One tend to win a hundo? Is it 378 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: the biggest reason for this the division as a whole, 379 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: even bigger than what you think the Yankees are going 380 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: to do? Right, Yes, you need the Yankees to win 381 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: ninety four games to cash this if you're going with 382 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: the over. But I mean, the Red Sox look like 383 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: they're going to be good, the Blue Jays look like 384 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: they're going to be very much of her to be 385 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: much better, and the Rays of the race and the 386 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Rays I mean maybe a drop under five hundred projected 387 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: for this year. Where's your easy wins on that division. 388 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: So crats, are you taking the over under? 389 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: I'm under under under. I can't I can't not take 390 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: the under. You know how many teams outside of the 391 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: American League East had more than that more than that 392 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: many wins, more than ninety three wins two? 393 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: Why is it so high? 394 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: Because are the Yankees? They got to put a big 395 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: number out in order to get people to better hus 396 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: it's the East and they both know now the Blue Jays. 397 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: The Blue Jays and the Yankees both had ninety four 398 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: last year. It's just such a tough I don't care 399 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: who's made what moves. I don't care if you think 400 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: the Yankees are still better than the Blue Jays. Like 401 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: they're just gonna beat each other up. They're gonna beat 402 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: each other up more than any other division. And they're 403 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: it's the best division in the American League. Nobody's gonna 404 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: really deny that. But to say ninety four wins, To 405 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: say the Yankees are gonna have a better year than 406 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: they did last year, Why because Garrett Cole came back, 407 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: Why because Cody Bellinger's going to sign back, Like I 408 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 2: just Trent Grisham's gonna have a better year than he did. 409 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: Last year, Jazz Chisholm's gonna have a better year, Like, 410 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: I just think it's gonna be tougher. It'sn'na be tougher. 411 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: And I think this is a this is smashed for me. 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm smashing it today. Locking it in, thanks, boys. 413 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Lock that in doesn't mean that they'll 414 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: have a bad year, but no, a very successful season 415 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: might be ninety one wins. That's a huge difference from 416 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: ninety four when you're looking for an edge, when you're 417 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: looking for some value on something like this. 418 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was they're a ninety one team. 419 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: I agree. 420 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: I think this would have ninety four wins is a 421 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: good year. 422 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this would have been more challenging if 423 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: they put, like to me, the correction. 424 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: They put it in ninety one. 425 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that range, that's where it's like, I'm not 426 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: touching that. But ninety three and a half looks like. 427 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're talking about historic year. If they go 428 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: if they go ninety six wins, if they go ninety 429 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: six wins in this season, to me, it would be 430 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: a historic year for them. It would be a like 431 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: they are hitting on all cylinders and people will say, well, 432 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 2: that's just two two wins different. That's a lot of 433 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: freaking That's a lot of freaking wins in a tough division. 434 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: Not a tough American league, just a tough division. 435 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: And I'll add this, sometimes it's worth seeing how the 436 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: season starts and then finding value in the win total. 437 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: I would not do that with the Yankees because a 438 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 1: lot of their rotation is going to come back as 439 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: the year goes on. The Yankees also are now second 440 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: fiddle to the Dodgers in baseball in many ways, right, 441 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and it's a copycat league. I think they're going to 442 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: try and take a page out of LA's book and 443 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: be like, how can we be as stacked as possible 444 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: for the playoffs? Obviously you got to get there, but 445 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: counting win. 446 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: It's a tough division. When you throw in the fact 447 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: that the Orioles and Blue Jays are good because forever 448 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: it was kind of Yankees, Red Sox, then the Orioles, 449 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: like it's like one team would always have a run. 450 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: The Blue Jays at times are good, The Orioles at 451 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: times are good. Right, but now you have four teams 452 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: that are legitimately think they can win in the race. 453 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: The Rays always think they can win. But if you 454 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: look right now on paper, the four teams Red Sox, 455 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: Yankees Orioles Blue Jays are all stacked ready to go 456 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: at least, so getting four teams from one division is 457 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: next to them possible into the postseason. 458 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: There's going to be a really pissed off fan base. Yes, 459 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: a really big pissed off at least fan base. 460 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: Wait, do you see the Brewers number anyway? I won't. 461 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: I won't ruin it for anybody. So exciting it's fun 462 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: for me. Yeah. 463 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: Well, we've moved on to win totals and we're excited 464 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: for them. Okay, for now, you don't have baseball to 465 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: bet on besides futures, So if you want to hit 466 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: up the NBA, there's a NBA No Sweat token that 467 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: you can go grab within the bet MGM app, get 468 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: your stake back in bonus bets up to one thousand 469 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: bucks in bonus bets. Log in, grab that token, place 470 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: the bet, attach the token to your bet slip. If 471 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: the bet doesn't win, you get your steak back in 472 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: bonus bets. Go check out the website or the app 473 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: for more details. Gambling problem more concern called when hundred gambler. 474 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: You know Cyrus and Will Salmon wrote an article about 475 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Fam graphs, not fan Fam with an m fam Graphs. 476 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: Tommy Fam makes his case for MLB's next big metric. 477 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: Tommy Fam is one of the. 478 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: Most We got to get him on to discuss this. 479 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: He is so entertaining. But anyway, he's completely laying out 480 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: all kinds of sun, wind, all kinds of discrepancies in 481 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: statistics out above average, but what about the sun and wind? 482 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: And then also he yeah, like let's start here. He 483 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: remembers a play that frustrated him. He's like a game 484 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. He's playing left field. Balls hit about three 485 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty feet ninety miles per hour off the bat, 486 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: short hops the outfield wall, wind carries it. He was 487 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: playing in he couldn't get to the ball, and he 488 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: said that really hurt his defensive numbers because stat cast 489 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't factor the win part. A quote from Fam. When 490 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I learned that, I'm like, Okay, if the win's blowing out, 491 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: I need to play a little bit deeper. It's a 492 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: really flawed system, but it's getting factored into our value. 493 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: He gives a lot of credit to certain players within 494 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: this article too, he gives a ton of love to 495 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: pee Ker Armstrong. He's like Peaker Armstrom's even better than 496 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: the numbers, which love him because he has to navigate 497 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: the Wrigley wins every day. 498 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: But it's not just that. 499 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: He also gets into how hitting statistics are drastically affected 500 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: by the team that you're on, and it goes beyond 501 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: your lineup support. He said that being on the Pirates 502 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: this past season means that you're playing in a ton 503 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: of close games. The team that was pretty good on 504 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: the pitching side, pretty awful on the hitting side, and 505 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: they were often playing in these close games against good 506 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: teams that would use their high leverage guys. He said 507 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: that versus if you're like on a very successful team 508 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: that has a good offense and you're winning some ten 509 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: two games and then you're and you know it's like six' 510 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: two that turns into ten. Two you're facing the mop 511 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: up guys like we didn't get those abs and there 512 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: actually was stats done by guys like you know in 513 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: the article that said he's got a, point, No but 514 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: the answer from GM's in front offices was we we 515 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: have our internal system factors that into so we even. 516 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: There's no such thing as clutch. HERE i don't forget 517 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: it right, there there's not a. Clutch gene and RBIs don't. 518 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: Matter and, YEAH i, LISTEN i think this is pretty 519 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: cool that a current player is calling out a lot of. 520 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: THINGS i always say. THIS i remember we'd go To 521 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: detroit and they would always find a negative number on 522 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: you to throw up on the giant scoreboard they have 523 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: in left, field and it would be like when the 524 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: do point is seventy two degrees on A tuesday afternoon 525 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: and the wind's blowing in at seven point six miles per, 526 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: hour he HITS o sixty two and you're, like, huh 527 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: what what are they? Talking? Like this is kind of 528 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: WHAT fam was talking. About and, listen win plays, factors 529 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: sun plays, factors, hangovers play, factors. Tiredness, well that's BUT i, 530 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: mean it's all that's not to blank like. That but good, 531 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: teams bad. Teams he has a point on good teams 532 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: and bad. Teams but you said it has nothing to 533 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: do with lineup. Construction usually better teams have better, Lineups so, 534 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 2: yes it has something to do with lineup. CONSTRUCTION i believe. 535 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: It who's sitting, where who's? Hitting like When Won soto 536 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: hit in front Of Aaron, judge he got on. Base you, 537 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: know he got a lot more fastballs to. 538 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: Hit, yeah but he's still had a great. 539 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: Season, no he, did but he also got a lot 540 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: more fastballs did because they didn't want to Face, judge, right, 541 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: RIGHT i MEAN i know WHEN i hit Behind Barry, 542 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: Bonds Barry bonds walked two hundred and seventy five, times 543 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: that hear because they were, like we'll rather face. Him 544 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: and then they put a guard Of fonzo behind me behind, 545 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: him and he still walked two hundred and seventy five, times, 546 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: Right so it does. 547 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: Matter so here for the public to, know The pirates 548 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: had the highest average leverage in the sport as a, 549 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: lineup meaning on, average their games were tighter than anyone 550 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: else's and every at bat potentially means more in terms 551 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: of win, probability and it means that they're facing most 552 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: likely the higher leverage. Relievers so this was like confirmed 553 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: by the stat. Nerds they, say you're, right and a 554 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: public stat like what weighted runs created plus doesn't factor that. 555 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: In APPARENTLY ops plus factors other than a little, bit 556 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: which is WHY i continue to love that. Statistic But. 557 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: Kratz the answer from front offices is, yeah we get, 558 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: it and the public might not see at, all but 559 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: we do factor that stuff in AND i believe. Them 560 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: so it's a good call out By, fam and if, 561 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: anything it just means that we should either take some 562 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: of the public stats with a grain of salt or 563 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: continue to improve the public stats so it factors in 564 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: the things that he's talking. 565 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: About, yeah one hundred, percent OR i, mean did we 566 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: even factor and you saw you talked about lineup. Construction 567 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: Tommy fam hitting on The pirates is going to be 568 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 2: hitting in a different spot in the lineup Than Tommy 569 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: fam hitting on The dodgers Or Tommy fam hitting on The. 570 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 2: Phillies part of that, is you, know your part of your. 571 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: Decision we talk about all the time when you sign, 572 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: someplace do you want to go somewhere that? Stinks do 573 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: you want to go somewhere that's. Good you're going to 574 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 2: be used as a higher leverage, piece which the other 575 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: teams are going to, say we can't Let Tommy fam 576 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: beat us because The pirates just called some guy up 577 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: that we don't, know and we'll let him beat, us you. 578 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: Know so they're gonna pitch they're gonna pitch those guys differently, 579 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: Too SO i think it's the, points, though are very. 580 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 2: Negligible it's not Like Tommy fam' is gonna have an 581 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: eight HUNDRED ops if he had played on another team 582 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: and not a six seventy FIVE. Ops like it's it's 583 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: going to it's. Negligible it's fifteen, points but that looks 584 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: way better if you've had a seven HUNDRED ops than 585 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: a six to seventy FIVE, Ops. 586 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: Right and that's his. Point, Yeah guys grinding out at 587 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: bats and then it gets to you in the lineup 588 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: and then the pitcher's worn. Down there's all kinds of. 589 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Factors the stats aren't. Perfect use your eye test in 590 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: addition to what you're seeing. Statistically