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Speaker 3: Israel. Goodie Eras in studio with me Mikeye on the zoom.

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Speaker 1: Taylor is still in Port Saint Lucy covering the Mets

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Speaker 1: for spring training. We'll get an actual spring training report

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Speaker 1: from Tail, A real report from Taylor coming up at about

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Speaker 1: ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 4: He's a Yankees fan, is he not? Yes, he's a

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Speaker 4: big Yankees. I don't think he's giving objective Mets reporting.

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Speaker 3: Over there, probably not. But one in Rome? Is he?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: Why is he in Rome?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why he's in Port Saint Lucy,

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Speaker 1: but he is. He's not here that much, I know,

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Speaker 1: but is he? I wanted to start We have a

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Speaker 1: fun show today. Matt Hasselbacker to join us coming up

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Speaker 1: at about fifteen minut It's Germaine O'Neill will join us

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Speaker 1: in our number two and Mikey has seventy nine through

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Speaker 1: seventy of the greatest quarterbacks of all time according to

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Speaker 1: the Bleacher Report.

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Speaker 4: You got to stick around to the end, yes for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but are we going to be the names?

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Speaker 5: Are we going to be the show that has all

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Speaker 5: of the Seattle quarterbacks of all time? Yes, because we

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Speaker 5: got a hasslebag we brock Heward recently. So let's go

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Speaker 5: down the list and see if we can get a

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Speaker 5: few more.

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Speaker 3: We're a Jim Zorn and a Russell Wilson away.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are the twelve.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, but is he I first wanted you and

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Speaker 1: I because it's been a while to take a stroll

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Speaker 1: down Audio Avenue.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I know you love Audio av.

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Speaker 1: We did not do nearly enough yesterday with the sound

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Speaker 1: of Mick Cronin and what he did. And this guy,

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Speaker 1: I am telling you he's a tyrant. You might listen.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be in the tournament. And I'm telling

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Speaker 1: all the other teams in the tournament if you want

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Speaker 1: to beat his team, you're gonna have to kill Mick Cronin. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's it. You don't just beat him, you have to

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Speaker 1: kill him. If you want to beat Mick Cronin, prepare

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Speaker 1: to attend his funeral the very next day, because that's

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Speaker 1: what you have to do. But Mick Cronin ejected his

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Speaker 1: own player, which is a first. And here is the

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Speaker 1: sound after the game of Mick Cronin getting upset with

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, what was your thoughts in the student section,

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Speaker 6: channing Booker's name, I could.

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Speaker 1: Give a rat's ass about the other team student section.

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Speaker 7: I overall the way, I would like to give.

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Speaker 8: You a kudos for your worst question I've ever be asked.

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Speaker 9: All right, did you like you should take it the preparation?

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Speaker 9: Do you really think I.

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Speaker 2: Care about the other I don't make you care about

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Speaker 10: You are Come on, dude, no reason.

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Speaker 9: Yes, you were.

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Speaker 8: Everybody's standing here listening to everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is on camera.

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Speaker 9: They can hear you.

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Speaker 8: I answered the question I could give him as about

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Speaker 9: I coach UCLA.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about in Michigan State students who cares.

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Speaker 3: Again, you're gonna have to murder that guy if you

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Speaker 1: Is he you have been you know, around many a

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Speaker 1: postgame interview. Your feelings on Mick cron and just being

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Speaker 1: a total jack guess I want to.

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Speaker 5: Murder him, and I will take on the responsibility for

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Speaker 5: any team that needs to eliminate UCLA because I dislike that.

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Speaker 4: Person very much.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean him in general, I mean the

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Speaker 4: Yes, Stu, I almost called you John.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, I know, Stu is because don't do it again.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 4: People who want to look like.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be winning an argument, regardless of whether

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that is these days, everybody's like.

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Speaker 5: Hey, if you stay and the other person gets angry,

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Speaker 5: just in this situation, raising their voice. And that gentleman

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Speaker 5: didn't raise his voice. He was a little excited. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 5: we got a little back and forth. Everyone was here

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Speaker 5: to see it. I mean everyone heard it. I mean

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Speaker 5: the amount of I happen to know that Mick Cronan

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Speaker 5: is divorced, Okay, not surprised. I feel like I feel

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Speaker 5: because he is going to do this, this gas lighting

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Speaker 4: You want to call it.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I didn't really know much about Mick Cronan

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Speaker 5: outside of you telling the world who he was.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and now I know more about him and like

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the video of this because the turn

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Speaker 3: Yes, Mikeya, I.

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Speaker 11: Was just is he please stop flying off the handle?

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Speaker 11: Stud You mentioned that if you want him out of

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Speaker 11: the tournament, you're going to have to kill him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: The only problem is it doesn't look like UCLA will

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Speaker 11: thirty Michigan, please stop yelling at me.

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Speaker 3: You'll still have to kill him.

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Speaker 4: N I mean, who wants to play for that guy?

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Speaker 5: Who, I guess, in some sort of just honorable move,

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Speaker 5: because he fouled somebody a little bit too hard.

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Speaker 1: Because he was hustling, which is exactly what Mick Cronin

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Speaker 3: I don't care if we're down thirty up thirty.

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Speaker 1: You don't stop playing the game, and you don't stop

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Speaker 1: playing it hard, and so we'll walk on. Played it

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Speaker 3: Money, he tossed him. He tossed his own player. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: This part is while to me and this is not

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Speaker 5: ejecting himself from a by asking to be substituted. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: that is my overall take on Mick Cronin is I

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Speaker 5: can't imagine him being a great coach, and when with

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Speaker 4: I'm not shock he is a very good coach though, But.

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Speaker 1: That was it was uncalled for both of them, ejecting

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Speaker 3: The way that he did.

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Speaker 1: We continue here down Audio Avenue. Stan Van Gundy a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine, a friend of yours.

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Speaker 4: One of my real favorite people in sports.

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Speaker 3: He is the greatest.

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Speaker 1: He was on with our other friends Golick and Golic.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends. Here is stan Van

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Speaker 1: Gundy talking about tanking and talking about the NBA draft,

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Speaker 1: I'd get rid.

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Speaker 10: Of the draft.

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Speaker 7: No draft, You've still got the salary cap. If you

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Speaker 7: want to go, give Cooper Flag forty five million dollars

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Speaker 7: a year coming out of college, do it. He's a

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Speaker 7: free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With

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Speaker 7: no draft, there's no incentive to loose. There's none at all.

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Speaker 4: M It's a great call, it is, and it is.

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Speaker 5: It's something that if you think about with the NFL

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Speaker 5: was kind of like that, right, except obviously you still

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Speaker 5: have the draft there. In this situation, it would just be,

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Speaker 5: always risky, right, because you don't know if he's going

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Speaker 5: to be great. Right, Cooper Flag probably more probable than

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Speaker 5: most other players drafted at that spot that he would

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Speaker 5: same thing about Zion, how much money would you have

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Speaker 5: paid that guy so far? So I think it does

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Speaker 5: help force the owners into being a little bit more

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Speaker 4: Throwing their money around.

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Speaker 5: Now, when Victor Win Binyama came out, it would have

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Speaker 1: So it prevents teams from tanking, obviously, but it also

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Speaker 1: allows players out of college who are young to choose

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Speaker 1: Pick unless the player is from a small market. Perhaps

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Speaker 5: Ron maybe would have ended up in Cleveland anyway, So yeah,

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Speaker 5: you're right, that's it's a good call. But I think

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Speaker 5: or if this player, this great player, happens to be

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Speaker 5: But I think there's other ways to fix it, just

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Speaker 5: in terms of penalizing teams that are tanking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's stroll down audio Avenue here again, we're getting

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is this was unfortunate.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Anyway, I think we just drove by Dan Bayer,

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Speaker 5: and I think it was yelling at us.

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Speaker 4: Did you want to say something?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 9: Did you raise your voice at me?

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Speaker 13: I don't know, maybe my voice at you. I find

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Speaker 13: it hilarious that you guys think guys would go to

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Speaker 13: think there's any chance you'd want to play for the

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Speaker 13: Bucks over the heat?

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, yea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So when I say penalties for teams that are, you know,

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Speaker 5: and clearly trying to lose.

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Speaker 3: You can just take away their pick.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you can just make sure that it's under a

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Speaker 1: Yes, Dan, I would tell you this that eighteen, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty year olds, some of them might want to stay

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Speaker 1: close to home.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's a tough transition for an eighteen or nineteen

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Speaker 1: you've grown up in a small market your entire life.

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Speaker 3: Now go to New York or LA.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's fair, just tough for markets of you know

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Speaker 15: Right Obviously, last season and I had some injuries, only

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Speaker 10: Hasn't sniffed one in Temple.

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Speaker 10: Well, he was hoisting it.

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Speaker 9: Just down judgment. He made a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's never let him forget that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Jason, I apologize, didn't even sniff it.

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Speaker 3: You do know more sports than Joe and a mobile phone.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, LaMarcus.

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Speaker 9: Aldridge, LaMarcus Aldridge.

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Speaker 4: Dan was entirely unnecessary in that bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so is my rant On collin In McIntyre. But

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Reporter, baseball reporter who can't get into

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Speaker 16: Hey you got Swon. Soto just finished a round of

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's big news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah so yes, but he's producing himself.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were wondering if Kwon Soda was late

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company

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Speaker 1: Love this guy. He is a Seahawks Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 1: He is in the Ring of Honor. He is also

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Speaker 3: Matt Hasselback is with us.

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Speaker 1: We have lacrosse to talk about, college sports to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Matt was very nice when we jumped on the zoom.

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Speaker 1: Here he sits to God, such a great voice, voice

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Speaker 17: And I don't know if I said the voice of God. No,

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Speaker 17: they probably will feel like, man, we needed to do

450
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Speaker 17: something different, Like they went into this, you know, their

451
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Speaker 17: whole mantra like going into the playoffs was like mac

452
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Speaker 17: and cheese, mac and cheese, Like you don't have to

453
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Speaker 17: do anything different, just like it's good how it is,

454
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Speaker 17: you know. And I just I think going into that game,

455
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Speaker 17: the only way they were gonna win that game is

456
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Speaker 17: if they they added some like lobster or something like

457
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 17: they needed like some trick plays they needed, so they

458
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Speaker 17: need yeah, something man like wasn't going to get it done.

459
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Speaker 17: The other team was just way better than you talent

460
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Speaker 17: wise and experience wise, so like you needed to double

461
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 17: move them, like you needed to get creative. And it

462
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Speaker 17: just I think that's what they will look back on

463
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 17: and say, like, dang man, like we we didn't our

464
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 17: protection schemes didn't help us out our the blandness of

465
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Speaker 17: like just do what we've always done like that.

466
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Speaker 10: No, not against Seattle.

467
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Speaker 11: I don't think what did you see differently in both

468
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Speaker 11: of those quarterbacks when they went to the playoffs versus

469
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Speaker 11: the regular season, Because in the regular season, Sam Donald

470
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Speaker 11: was throwing picks everywhere goes through the playoffs, doesn't throw

471
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Speaker 11: one interception. Drake May was dominating in the regular season

472
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Speaker 11: and then kind of was dragged to the Super Bowl

473
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Speaker 11: by his defense.

474
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Speaker 17: Well, I mean I thought Drake May looked hurt to me.

475
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 17: You know, he sprained his ac joint. Like I've done

476
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Speaker 17: that on the left shoulder. Yeah, man, I've done it

477
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Speaker 17: on both shoulders. But like, like I played with it

478
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Speaker 17: at the left shoulder. It's brutal, like so to play

479
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Speaker 17: with it in your throwing arm, like you're just not

480
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Speaker 17: yourself like at all, you know, Like, and he he

481
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 17: didn't make it in like a thing of it. He

482
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Speaker 17: didn't make it an excuse, but like it's a big deal.

483
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Speaker 17: Like I think you know, see.

484
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Speaker 3: You noticed it is because you have experience with it.

485
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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it.

486
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Speaker 17: Just it's his brutal You can't sleep at night, never

487
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Speaker 17: mind playing a football game.

488
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Speaker 10: Like it's a brutal thing.

489
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Speaker 17: So like that that to me, Like, I think he's

490
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Speaker 17: a great player, and I think that, you know, similar

491
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Speaker 17: to Tom Brady's early years, the defense was a further

492
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Speaker 17: aheaded in the offense. I think that's what it was

493
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Speaker 17: with New England. They spend all their money in free

494
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Speaker 17: agency on defense, all their high draft picks on offense.

495
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Speaker 17: You know, they'll they'll they'll be better. Will Campbell, he'll

496
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Speaker 17: be a good player, he'll have a good career. You know,

497
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Speaker 17: the their their way ahead of schedule. The Patriots.

498
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Speaker 10: Yes, for for Seattle.

499
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Speaker 17: You know, Sam Darnold got a lot of heat this

500
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Speaker 17: year for turning the ball over. I think there's only

501
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Speaker 17: been like maybe one or two other people that have

502
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Speaker 17: won Super Bowls where they led the league in interceptions

503
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Speaker 17: or something like that. Maybe it was Eli Manning or

504
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Speaker 17: Kurt Warner or somebody like that. So like, you can

505
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Speaker 17: do it, it's just a little bit harder. But I

506
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Speaker 17: think like what I would say about Sam Darnold in

507
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Speaker 17: his turnover situation is what I'd say about a lot

508
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Speaker 17: of the guys on the Seahawks. They were the same

509
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 17: guys making some mistakes, but they were getting coach and

510
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Speaker 17: allowing themselves to be coached as the year was going on.

511
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Speaker 17: So like now you look at the playoffs, there was

512
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Speaker 17: one team that didn't have a fumble or an interception

513
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Speaker 17: the entire playoffs.

514
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Speaker 10: That was Seattle and that was Sam Donald.

515
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Speaker 17: And you could say, like, oh, you know, certain games

516
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Speaker 17: he played not to lose, you know, through for less

517
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Speaker 17: than two hundred yards and beats the Niners or whatever,

518
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Speaker 17: but because that's the game that had to be played.

519
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Speaker 17: But then you go up against like who I think

520
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 17: was probably the second best team in football, the La

521
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 17: Rams Stafford and cutting it loose. Now you got to

522
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Speaker 17: cut it loose, and now you got to throw for

523
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Speaker 17: four fifty and a bunch of touchdowns and all that.

524
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Speaker 17: And Sam Donald did that as well. So I actually

525
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Speaker 17: thought he had a great year. I think he took

526
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Speaker 17: a lot of heat because he had the primetime game

527
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 17: at LA where he had four interceptions that were not necessary.

528
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Speaker 17: I think he had a bunch and maybe an interception

529
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Speaker 17: to end it against Tampa. But I thought he had

530
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Speaker 17: a really great year in terms of how to win,

531
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Speaker 17: how to play winning football and you know, how to

532
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Speaker 17: hoist a Lombardi, Understand who your defense is, Understand who

533
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Speaker 17: your who, your punter is, your field goal kicker is.

534
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Speaker 17: You know, like there's a saying in quarterback rooms, let

535
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Speaker 17: our kicker and our punter punt. Let our kicker kick

536
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 17: and let our punter punt, and like that's one of

537
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 17: the best things that you can do sometimes. And that

538
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Speaker 17: won him the Lombardy this year. And yes, and uh,

539
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Speaker 17: and I think he earned it.

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Speaker 3: Have you got to know Sam at all a little bit?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a little bit. You know, he's he's he's a

542
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Speaker 10: quieter guy, so.

543
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Speaker 1: But a popular guy like he is well liked in

544
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Speaker 1: that locker room and across the NFL.

545
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Speaker 17: Loved and he was loved in the Minnesota Vikings locker

546
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Speaker 17: room as well and at USC. And so I think

547
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Speaker 17: ultimately there's they're not like one leadership style. There's some

548
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Speaker 17: guys who are more talkative than others, and then there's

549
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Speaker 17: other guys that are just uh, I don't know. They

550
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Speaker 17: have seemingly more deep and rich relationships, but they're just

551
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Speaker 17: maybe not as loud.

552
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Speaker 1: Yes, listen, there are two Jet fans on this zoom,

553
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Speaker 1: myself and Mikey Yoh, and so we yeah, I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: we're as happy as we could be for Sam.

555
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Speaker 3: But he is one of the rare guys to survive the.

556
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Speaker 9: New York Jets.

557
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Speaker 3: He overcame the Jets and came out clean on the

558
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Speaker 3: other side.

559
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Speaker 17: And so yeah, but like he was twenty, I think

560
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Speaker 17: he was twenty when he left USC. Like he couldn't

561
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Speaker 17: buy a beer, you know, he couldn't rent a car,

562
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Speaker 17: and yet the Jets were like here, here are the

563
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Speaker 17: keys to the car, you know, like there's there's a

564
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Speaker 17: They kind of screwed that up in my mind so

565
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Speaker 17: big time because they had Josh McCown there as like

566
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Speaker 17: the veteran quarterback, and then they rushed Sam out onto

567
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Speaker 17: the field right like totally unnecessarily, Like Josh McCown could

568
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Speaker 17: have easily played the role that Doug Peterson played for

569
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Speaker 17: Donovan McNabb. Andy Reid's the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

570
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Speaker 17: He's got a good defense. First year he gets McNab,

571
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Speaker 17: What does he do?

572
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Speaker 10: Does he play McNabb? No, he plays Donovan.

573
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Speaker 17: He plays Doug Peterson, lets him be the punching bag

574
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Speaker 17: and lets trains McNab, develops McNab and McNabb learns from

575
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Speaker 17: watching Doug Peterson talk at the podium, lead in the

576
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Speaker 17: locker room, like all the stuff. And then and when

577
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Speaker 17: the team was ready and McNabb was more ready, then

578
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Speaker 17: they put don in there and he had a great career.

579
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Speaker 17: You know, the Jets could have done the exact same thing,

580
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Speaker 17: but they were so dialed into what was on Twitter

581
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Speaker 17: and talk radio and like.

582
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Speaker 10: Blah blah blah blah blah, and they just threw him

583
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Speaker 10: to the Wolves, and of course it was a disaster.

584
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Speaker 9: Yep, that's our team.

585
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Speaker 4: Yep. Go ahead, Telly, Matt.

586
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Speaker 6: You're looking at Seattle's free agents this offseason. They're gonna

587
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Speaker 6: have a lot of decisions to make Kenneth Walker, a

588
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Speaker 6: lot of guys in the secondary. If you were Seattle,

589
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Speaker 6: what would you be prioritizing to put yourself in the

590
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Speaker 6: best position to repeat as champions?

591
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

592
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Speaker 17: I think they already know what guys they don't want back.

593
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Speaker 17: I think they already know what guys they do want back,

594
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Speaker 17: and then they're just about putting a price on it.

595
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Speaker 9: You know.

596
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Speaker 17: I think a lot's been written about Ken Walker being MVP.

597
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Speaker 17: Will they franchise him? No, No, They're not going to

598
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Speaker 17: franchise him at like fourteen million or whatever it is.

599
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Speaker 17: There's a transition tag that they could use that's like

600
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Speaker 17: eleven million. But I think listen, I was at the parade, Okay.

601
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Speaker 17: Two of the first people to talk at the parade

602
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 17: was John Schneider. He's got a red Solo cup in

603
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Speaker 17: his hand, he's feeling pretty good, and the guy next

604
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Speaker 17: to him is Kenneth Walker, and he's got like these

605
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 17: like Bud light goggles on, so Champagne doesn't get in

606
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Speaker 17: his eyes, Like if you're gonna start negotiating on like

607
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Speaker 17: a three or four year deal, like that's the way

608
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Speaker 17: to start it. I just bought a house recently. I

609
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 17: should have done that with the guy that I was

610
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Speaker 17: negotiating with. I should have been like, all right, bro

611
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Speaker 17: red solo cup, bud light goggles.

612
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 10: Now we start talking.

613
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Speaker 3: You want to.

614
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Speaker 17: Right, yeah, but listen, those things can go Those things

615
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 17: can go south sometimes, you know. And and so I

616
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Speaker 17: don't know, like this didn't feel like it was going

617
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Speaker 17: to be.

618
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Speaker 10: Like that kind of a negotiation.

619
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Speaker 17: You know, uh Zach Charbonnat's got the bad knee injury

620
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Speaker 17: and he's coming off.

621
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Speaker 10: He's not gonna be ready right away.

622
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Speaker 17: But I certainly think like a four year deal, you know,

623
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Speaker 17: around like eight million like something like that, they could

624
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Speaker 17: get something done if they really want to. Because you

625
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 17: lost Clint Koopiak, there's gonna be some change. So like

626
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Speaker 17: the more continuity you can keep, the better, but there's

627
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 17: always gonna be a price to those things. You got

628
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 17: Rashid Shaheed at the same time, Flint Kopiak loved him

629
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 17: in New Orleans, helped get him to Seattle. He's gonna

630
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 17: want him in Las Vegas because they got Ashtagenti, They'll

631
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Speaker 17: probably a Mendoza, they'll have brock Bauers. They'd love a

632
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 17: JSN type wide receiver. And she could be that guy

633
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 17: for that offense.

634
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Speaker 1: Anyway, Are you ready for a crappy mount Rushmore from

635
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Speaker 1: the state of Washington?

636
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Speaker 10: What do you got? What do you got?

637
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 4: All right?

638
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: Taylor?

639
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Speaker 9: Present him.

640
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: So I gave this to Kenny Maine.

641
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Speaker 1: He's a big Seahawks fan, as you know, and everyone

642
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: laughed me out of the room.

643
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm looking at it through you know, a.

644
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: Child's eyes, a guy who watched the Seahawks in the

645
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: seventh late seventies and eighties.

646
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Speaker 3: But go ahead, Taylor, give him my Mott Rushmore.

647
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Speaker 9: And he gave you a blank stare. You said it.

648
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 9: He was just like, really.

649
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 10: That he means good at a blank stare.

650
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: Really, that's better at it.

651
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 10: That's such his humor.

652
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: Tries to make you uncomfortable. Go ahead, Taylor.

653
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Speaker 6: So it was Largent Cortes, Kennedy, Kenny easily, Jim Zorn.

654
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Speaker 17: I mean listen, I hesitate to even take the bait

655
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Speaker 17: on these like lists in these mount Rushmoores and that

656
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 17: kind of thing, because I feel like they're just meant

657
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 17: to like stir it.

658
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 10: Up, like what how could you blah blah blah.

659
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Speaker 17: You know, so I love all those guys. You know,

660
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Speaker 17: it's hard to do whatever. I just this would be

661
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Speaker 17: my one thing. Any list that doesn't have Walter Jones

662
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Speaker 17: on it is the list that's just.

663
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Speaker 10: You know, and I know it's not a sexy pick.

664
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Speaker 17: I know there's a lot of really great fun people

665
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Speaker 17: to watch, but like, you know, Walter Jones, I don't

666
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Speaker 17: know the numbers, I don't know who he does this

667
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Speaker 17: or whatever. But like, let me put it this way.

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Speaker 17: I'll put it a different way. I played in Seattle

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Speaker 17: for ten years. I never once ever cared or even

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Speaker 17: thought about who the defensive end on that side was.

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Speaker 17: Like in a scouting report, it didn't matter. We were

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Speaker 17: never gonna do anything other than Walt. You got that guy, Like,

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Speaker 17: there's no help, there's no sliding, there's no like, there's

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Speaker 17: no nothing.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 10: It just was like, yeah, you're just you're Walter Jones.

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Speaker 10: We're good. So I don't know that that's gotta come. Well,

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Speaker 10: there was one time.

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Speaker 17: There was one time where he gave up a sack,

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Speaker 17: but he didn't really give up a sack.

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Speaker 10: It was a three step drop.

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Speaker 17: And Bruce Smith, I don't know if you guys know

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Speaker 17: Bruce Smith is probably do yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: And and he.

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Speaker 10: Sacked me, and like you know, basically Bruce Smith.

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Speaker 17: After he sacked me, he said something to me like

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Speaker 17: that was your fault, you know, like sacked me, helped

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Speaker 17: me up, and he was like, hey, that sack was

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Speaker 17: your fault. I was like, yeah, I know, I know

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Speaker 17: it's my fault.

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Speaker 10: And that's Bruce Smith. I mean, he's he's as good

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Speaker 10: as they come to.

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Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, that is so good.

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Speaker 10: I can't tell if.

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Speaker 11: That's great trash talk or terrible trash talk.

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Speaker 10: But this is the funny. This is the funny thing.

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Speaker 17: Like when I talked to people like the off season,

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Speaker 17: the Pro Bowl or like whatever, you talk to these

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Speaker 17: great pass rushers, they would first thing they want to

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Speaker 17: talk about, if it's not crowd noise, they want to

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Speaker 17: talk about Walter Jones.

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Speaker 10: And they'd be like, this is I remember this.

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Speaker 17: Like one of these guys said this to I think

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Speaker 17: it was oc U Minyora or someone like that. He

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Speaker 17: was like the most demoralizing thing about going up against

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Speaker 17: Walter Jones is you'll hit him with your best pass

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Speaker 17: rush move and it won't work, and he'll stun you,

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Speaker 17: and and Walt will say back like, oh, that that

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Speaker 17: was a really good move, like that almost worked, and

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Speaker 17: you sincere like wow, that was yeah, and like the

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Speaker 17: defender the pass rusher is like, no, this is literally

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Speaker 17: the best. I've been working on this for like a year,

713
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Speaker 17: like that's the best I got, and You're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 17: that was it was almost good enough, great job.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, But but I mean it was.

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Speaker 17: Just person after person after person. I mean we went

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Speaker 17: down and played.

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Speaker 10: A rivalry game, a rivalry game.

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Speaker 17: And their best player on defense came into our locker

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Speaker 17: room before the game with a Walter Jones jersey and

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Speaker 17: asked Walt to autograph it for him.

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Speaker 10: Before the game.

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Speaker 17: It was just like the respect this dude got was

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Speaker 17: just and here's one for you.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if this is true, but I think

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Speaker 10: it's true.

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Speaker 17: Okay, in the history of the Hall of Fame, you

728
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Speaker 17: have to wait as a player, you have to wait

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Speaker 17: five years to be inducted into.

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Speaker 10: The Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I think there's one player that was inducted in

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Speaker 17: four years after he after he was on the team

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Speaker 17: or something like that, something like that.

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Speaker 1: There you go for your How about Belichick not getting in?

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Speaker 10: I mean I don't even understand, Like what what are

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Speaker 10: we doing? Here's what it reminds me of.

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Speaker 17: It reminds me of at the Combine, we like measure

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Speaker 17: quarterbacks hands and the smallest hands ever recorded. It's like

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Speaker 17: Joe Burrow like, well, maybe that's a stupid thing to

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Speaker 17: be measuring. Okay, So like if Belichick doesn't get into

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Speaker 17: the Hall of Fame, like maybe we're voting wrong, maybe

742
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Speaker 17: we're what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Yes, poduc question of the way out. Did Walter Jones

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Speaker 1: ever jump off sides?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 17: In fact, he was always the guy encouraging me to

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Speaker 17: go on a hard count because he would say this.

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Speaker 17: He would say, I don't and he would say it

749
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Speaker 17: this way. I don't even want you to get them

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Speaker 17: to jump off sides. I just want you to get

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Speaker 17: them to lean. And then I got them. So like

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Speaker 17: here you go. It's on double cadence, okay, Brown eighteen.

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Speaker 17: Brown eighteen said hood uh White, Why he said that,

754
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Speaker 17: like he knows that, like who he's coming with his

755
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Speaker 17: outside move or he's coming with his inside move like

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Speaker 17: he's done. So if this guy's going this way, someone

757
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Speaker 17: over here is coming this way. Like it just it

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Speaker 17: was that kind of stuff where me as a quarterback,

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Speaker 17: I'm learning from my offensive lineman and I feel like

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Speaker 17: you make the whole team better. Again, Like not to

761
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Speaker 17: give too much love to Philip Rivers, but like this

762
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Speaker 17: is the kind of stuff that he does so.

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Speaker 10: Well that makes the guys around him better.

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Speaker 17: And you know other young quarterbacks, I see them having

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Speaker 17: such a great hard count.

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Speaker 10: They're causing their own guys to jump off sides. Yes, like,

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Speaker 10: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 10: It was second and one? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Matt, thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hope to do it again soon. Man, Thank you for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company

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Speaker 2: Live weekdays at three pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific.

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Speaker 9: Welcome in Todd McShay.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mikey.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping someone would communicate to me because no

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Speaker 1: one was.

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Speaker 3: You're always there for me the McShay show. He is

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Speaker 3: with the Ringer.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine and he'll take your phone calls,

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Speaker 1: whether he likes it or not.

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Speaker 3: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. That is eight

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Speaker 3: seven seven ninety nine on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Is He will get to his Mendoza questions in just

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Speaker 1: a second, but let's start the most obvious place with

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Speaker 1: our friend Todd mcshae. Here McShay in a weird world,

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Speaker 1: in a strange world where you're doing a mock draft

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Speaker 1: about the worst things that you could do to your

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Speaker 1: family cheating on your wife with her sister, or cheating

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Speaker 1: on your wife.

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Speaker 3: With your brother's wife. Which one would be the number one?

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Speaker 3: Picking a strange draft?

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Speaker 9: You're an idiot, man.

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Speaker 3: I love you too, we really are.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You get answer though, I mean that was the answer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the answer to.

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Speaker 9: I'll go with this.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Well, couple of disclaimers. I'm engaged. I'm getting married

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Speaker 8: this summer.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and congratulations Marissa.

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Speaker 9: Thank you Marissa my fiance.

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Speaker 8: She doesn't have a sister, so but she has cousins

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Speaker 8: who are very close, so they're like sisters. No, no,

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Speaker 8: I would I'll always answer your stupid question, thank you.

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Speaker 8: I would say, I would say cheating with a cousin

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Speaker 8: rather than my brother's wife.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Really, I mean there's a whole other layer that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but a brother's wife. I mean that ends families, man,

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Speaker 1: it does you know? It separates families?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they all do. All those scenarios do Marissa every day?

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Speaker 9: And if I wind up her cousin, Oh.

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Speaker 4: My god, I'm so sorry, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Not only did he start here, but then he just

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Speaker 5: left that there hanging for you to to somehow answer.

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Speaker 5: We need to get to some draft talk, can't we

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Speaker 5: Did you have to answer this or no? Fortunately I'm gay,

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Speaker 5: so it's all great. But I'm I'm sure he could

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Speaker 5: tailor it for you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sure he can't.

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Speaker 3: If you have questions about the giraffe.

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Speaker 1: Top mcshay's with Us eight seven Saturday night to Night

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Speaker 1: on Fox Now. It was a great start. It's the

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Speaker 1: way the show should start. And I love that you entertained.

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Speaker 1: You entertained me by answering the question and then really

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Speaker 1: breaking it down with cousins.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean the whole another section.

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Speaker 5: Fernando Mendoza, who I treat as my own cousin around

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Speaker 5: here because he's.

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Speaker 4: A Miami guy.

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Speaker 5: I love the guy ever since the middle of this season,

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Speaker 5: fell in love with him as a number one pick.

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Speaker 5: The Raiders aren't going to overthink this, right because I

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Speaker 5: saw something that said, hey, maybe.

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Speaker 4: They might not go that way. But it feels like

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Speaker 4: he is in the realm of can't miss? Is he not?

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Speaker 9: I mean, who's a can't miss? Right, I'll say this.

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Speaker 8: I think the question becomes, all, right, recent drafts, where

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Speaker 8: would you have him ranked? And I could have my rankings,

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Speaker 8: And then I talked to a lot of people in

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Speaker 8: the league, and I think there's kind of, I don't

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Speaker 8: want to say consensus, but a strong majority that he's

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Speaker 8: not of the skill level or maybe even the development.

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Speaker 8: But I'd say more so the skill level of the

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Speaker 8: top three guys from twenty twenty four with Caleb Williams

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Speaker 8: and Jaden Daniels and Drake May And he's not at.

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Speaker 9: The skill level of cam Ward.

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Speaker 8: Although I'd argue if you threw Mendoza into the same

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Speaker 8: situation that cam was thrown into this past year in Tennessee,

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Speaker 8: that Mendoza would give them a better shot to win

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Speaker 8: some more.

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Speaker 9: Games, for whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 8: Right away, here's the problem with Mendoza, and I feel

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Speaker 8: like I was first to market with him and fell

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Speaker 8: in love with him at cal off the tape, but recognized,

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Speaker 8: all right, he's got to cut down on some of

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Speaker 8: the turnover worthy plays. He's a little bit of a

860
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Speaker 8: loose cannon, but he also doesn't have the weapons that

861
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Speaker 8: a lot of other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: Has, so he's trying to create and force some things.

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Speaker 8: Then he gets to Indiana and they kind of put

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Speaker 8: this like bubble wrap around him. And I say that

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Speaker 8: because like he wasn't allowed to go down to Manning

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Speaker 8: Passing Academy even though he wanted to go, Like Signetti

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Speaker 8: and the staff really wanted him there under like drilling

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Speaker 8: it in, cutting down on those type of mistakes. We're

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Speaker 8: gonna run the football RPO early in the season and work.

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Speaker 9: Everything off of that. So when you look at him,

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Speaker 9: you see a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Like if I if I gave anyone who worked

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Speaker 8: for me an assignment and said, hey, these are all

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00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 8: great things you're doing, but we got to cut out this,

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Speaker 8: and then you come back to me and you've executed

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Speaker 8: that assignment terrific, Right, But you do wonder in the.

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Speaker 9: NFL there's there's an issue. I see.

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Speaker 8: This is the biggest issue I see because he is

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Speaker 8: six foot five, he is two and twenty pounds. He

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Speaker 8: does run pretty well for his size. He's got a

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Speaker 8: lot of energy in his arm. The biggest issue I

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Speaker 8: see is in that offense there was kind of one

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Speaker 8: read the two by.

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Speaker 9: Two two receivers, two receivers.

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Speaker 8: Very frequently the read or the answer to the tests

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Speaker 8: would be off of that first read.

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Speaker 9: Does a cornerback do this or that?

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Speaker 8: And if he does this, I gotta go he does that,

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Speaker 8: then I gotta go here? And then But if that

890
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 8: didn't provide the answer and pressure was coming, it's, you know,

891
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 8: the old cliche of eyes dropping, Like.

892
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 9: There was this a quarter count of panic in this game.

893
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 8: And I have a whole litany of examples of that,

894
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 8: and I wonder how is the progression gonna be in

895
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 8: the NFL. And and he doesn't elude as well as

896
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 8: he runs on a straight line when he gets going,

897
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 8: kind of like a Daniel Jones type deal. He can

898
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 8: run when he takes off, but he's not like the

899
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 8: same thing with Tyler Shutt coming out last year. So

900
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 8: so it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see

901
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 8: if you're the Raiders, do you get this monster offer

902
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 8: maybe from the Jets or from another organization with with

903
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 8: multiple picks this year and more importantly Capitol next year.

904
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 9: With all those quarterbacks. I've got this list right, arch.

905
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 8: Manning, Wow, Dante Moore, Brandon Soresby, Leonora Sellers, Chambliss is

906
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 8: now back from all Miss r Mensa going to Miami,

907
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 8: Julian saying CJ.

908
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 9: Carr, Sam Levitt, iam Aliava Mayava. I mean there, those

909
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 9: are two different names.

910
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: He clarifying, I appreciate that.

911
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 9: Yes, I was trying to race through it. There's a

912
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 9: lot of great quarterbacks next year.

913
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 8: Wow, and you don't have the supporting cast around him,

914
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 8: and Brady's you know, planting the flag of quarterbacks aren't

915
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 8: coming out developed. So I'm told they're gonna take Mendoza.

916
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 8: I think they're going to take Mendoza. And I'm not

917
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 8: saying it's the wrong decision to take Mendoza, but it

918
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 8: does beg the question, are you ready organizationally to bring

919
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 8: him in and give him the opportunity to have success

920
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 8: with everything.

921
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 9: Around him, or are you better off getting a bunch of.

922
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 8: Picks, fixing that roster for another full year and then

923
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 8: taking one of those guys I just mentioned next year.

924
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 5: It's interesting that you say that too, because if Mendoza

925
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 5: is going to be the person that people think he

926
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 5: was going to be, processing would have to be his

927
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: best characteristic. It would have to, you know, be at

928
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: Tom Brady level, right when he's at his peak. So

929
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 5: you're saying you haven't actually seen that yet from him

930
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: because maybe it was a little first read and a

931
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: little uh not too simple.

932
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 8: But yeah, I know that that was me simplifying, right, Like,

933
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Speaker 8: I'm not saying he can't, and I do think like

934
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 8: I think one of the things is like a tie

935
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 8: that's gonna bind between he and Brady. And make no

936
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 8: mistake of Brady's role in all this, right is he

937
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 8: kind of reminds him of a young Tom, you know,

938
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 8: like not not very mobile in the pocket, accurate throwing

939
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 8: the ball.

940
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 9: Tom was more accurate.

941
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 8: Uh, Fernando is more is a better runner, but win

942
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 8: by being a nerd, win with your mind. And so

943
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 8: while while this offense it wasn't it's not that he can't.

944
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 8: It's and it's not even like the processing. I don't

945
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 8: go through anything and say he can't make a full

946
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 8: field read or any of that. I just I wonder

947
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 8: how how effective they were cutting down on some of

948
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 8: those mistakes and making it kind of you know, black

949
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 8: and white for him that now, all of a sudden

950
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 8: he comes in the league and it's not you don't

951
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 8: have two guys who are gonna get drafted in the

952
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 8: first two days of the draft at wide receiver and

953
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 8: three if you count Charlie.

954
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 9: Becker will be a year after that. So it's just

955
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a learning curve. But find me a

956
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 9: guy who does.

957
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 8: I mean, look at what happened with Caleb in year

958
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 8: one to year two. Jaden was great in year one

959
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: and struggled in year two. Drake has been great for

960
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: the majority of the time he's played, but he had

961
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 8: some injuries in the first year and didn't start the

962
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 8: season and was great, almost won the MVP, and then

963
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 8: struggled with an injury and all that in the playoffs.

964
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: So there's gonna be early bumps in his career no

965
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 8: matter what I'm talking more honestly, organizationally for the Raiders.

966
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 9: What makes the most sense.

967
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 8: That can I just want to keep perspective on how

968
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 8: great Mendoza is, but he's not quite as talented as

969
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 8: some of those other guys that I just mentioned.

970
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: Todd who is the best player in this draft.

971
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 8: It's interesting, Stu Gotts, like, this is a weird There's

972
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 8: a lot of talent in this draft. Second round, third round,

973
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 8: Like there's really good depth. Like the wide receiver class

974
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 8: is awesome, the edge class is awesome. But when you

975
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 8: think of the draft, right, the majority of the top

976
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 8: picks usually are quarterbacks, tackles, and pass rushers, right, And

977
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 8: there's some of that, but you know, on its face,

978
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 8: you've got arguably three of the best prospects, three of

979
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 8: the top five prospects, certainly, and I would argue maybe

980
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 8: three of the best four prospects are Jeremiah Love, the

981
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 8: running back from Notre Dame. Rvel Reese, who everyone's going

982
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 8: to talk about, is an edge and hopefully for his

983
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 8: sake and the team that drafts some sake, has a

984
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 8: Micaeh Parsons type career arc where he starts off the

985
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 8: ball linebacker and quickly becomes one of the best pass

986
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 8: rushers in the NFL. And we saw him do a

987
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 8: lot of it, but he's not there yet. And then

988
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 8: the other one is Caleb Downs from.

989
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 9: The safety from Ohio State. So a safety, a.

990
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 8: Linebacker, and a running back are arguably three of the

991
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 8: top four best players in this draft class, so that

992
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 8: part's interesting.

993
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,719
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Speaker 12: Go ahead, Hey, long time listen. I'm Cardinals fan, And

1015
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 12: I'm just curious from your take, Todd, what didn't a

1016
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 12: word is wrong with that franchise.

1017
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 8: That's a loaded Yeah, yes, some franchises. Franchises can't ever

1018
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 8: just get it right. The Kyler stuff is fascinating, and

1019
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 8: obviously that's the big topic of conversation this offseason. I

1020
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 8: think they're they're moving on, but there isn't a quarterback

1021
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 8: in this draft that you're gonna wind up being able

1022
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 8: to to kind of replace that spot with. So to me,

1023
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 8: it's it's about building this team back up in the trenches.

1024
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 8: I think offensive line is probably where they're going to

1025
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 8: go at. You know, Francis Mauiinoa is a powerful, big

1026
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 8: right tackle who I think can come in and make

1027
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 8: a big impact right away. If it's not Mauiinoa, then

1028
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 8: you go with Spencer Fano, the offensive tackle from Utah.

1029
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 8: But I think it's going to be in the trenches

1030
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 8: early on for Arizona with an eye towards that draft.

1031
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 8: If you've heard segment, that quarterback class next year has

1032
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 8: a chance to be historic, and I think that that's

1033
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 8: kind of the route that Arizona should take at least.

1034
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 9: And my guess is that they will wind up taking.

1035
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: Are you expecting Kyler Murray to be a New York Jet?

1036
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 9: I could see it.

1037
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay, I unfortunately right.

1038
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's I mean if they won't, if they won't

1039
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 18: the route they did at quarterback this past year, then

1040
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 18: why wouldn't they bring in Kyler?

1041
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 9: So I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.

1042
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 9: But a lot more to fix for the Jets, as

1043
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 9: you well know, than just the quarterback spot, and.

1044
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 8: That won't I'll be shocked if they even make an

1045
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 8: attempt this year. I think I think the moves were

1046
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 8: made with an eye on twenty twenty seven.

1047
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to Brian, who was in Rochester today, Rochester, Illinois. Brian,

1048
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on with Todd mcshett.

1049
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 12: Thank you, Stu, and my question for Todd. Good, good afternoon. Todd.

1050
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 12: You've talked about Hank Bady on your podcast The Pride

1051
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 12: of Rochester.

1052
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 13: Illinois the Rockets.

1053
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 12: Do you know what he is? He's a Swiss army knife.

1054
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: I love a Riffs army knife.

1055
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 12: Yes, but Todd, does he does anybody take a take

1056
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 12: a flyer.

1057
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 9: On Hank Baby Listen?

1058
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 8: I liked him, I liked early in the season he

1059
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 8: was on a tear. I can see in the late

1060
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 8: rounds there's a there's a strong possibility.

1061
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, it'll be It'll.

1062
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 8: Be interesting to see, like the pro day, how he

1063
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 8: works out and all those sorts of things. But he's

1064
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 8: a guy that just finds a way to make plays.

1065
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 8: And if he's not a draft pick, then then there's

1066
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 8: the chance as an undrafted free agent that he that

1067
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 8: he comes into a team and and finds a way

1068
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 8: with all the different things he can do in a

1069
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 8: league that's always looking for multiple and versatility, I think

1070
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 8: he's got a shot.

1071
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 11: Todd, I'm looking at this draft class of wide receivers

1072
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 11: because I know my New York Jets need to take one.

1073
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 11: And I'm looking at Tate, I'm looking at Lemon, I'm

1074
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 11: looking at Tyson. But you know what, Denzel Boston really

1075
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 11: has me intrigued. Do you think he's the kind of

1076
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 11: guy that could possibly be the best of this class.

1077
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 8: I like Denzel Boston a lot, man, I really do.

1078
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 8: If you're looking for the negative in his game, he

1079
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 8: kind of like he has to gear down before he

1080
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 8: gets in and out of his breaks. And I wonder

1081
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 8: the NFL is that gonna cause a little problem. Now

1082
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 8: at almost six foot five and with his frame and

1083
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 8: his ability with contested catches and red zone effectiveness, I

1084
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 8: think he's still gonna be a highly effective player and

1085
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 8: a huge impact player.

1086
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 9: This wide receiver class is loaded.

1087
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 8: I've got ten guys right now in my top fifty

1088
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 8: really so yeah. So if you don't address it in

1089
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 8: round one with the Carnel Tate or a mackay Lemon

1090
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 8: or a Jordan Tyson, which is how I have him

1091
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 8: ranked right now, and David and Denzel Boston right after

1092
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 8: that at number four, then in the second round you've

1093
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 8: got another six foot four wide receiver two hundred pounds

1094
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 8: who can absolutely fly in Chris Brazil the second from Tennessee.

1095
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 8: Or you've got zachar Ryah Branch who's a slot who's explosive.

1096
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 8: You've got Jeremy Bernard who who just like does every

1097
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 8: little thing right, and I think he fits really well

1098
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 8: in like a Shanahan type of system coming out of Alabama.

1099
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 8: Casey concept she owned with the returnability and the run

1100
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 8: after catch. So there's this like in Malachi Field's another

1101
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 8: big receiver. So you've got guys like Boston and Fields

1102
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 8: and Brazil the second like.

1103
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Speaker 9: The big receivers, and then you got a.

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Speaker 8: Bunch of guys who were really good after the catch

1105
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 8: guy mentioned concept she owned branch Jeremy Bernard, so you

1106
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 8: can kind of pick between the two.

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Speaker 3: Todd.

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Speaker 5: I was wondering, Uh, Ty Simpson, did you think early

1109
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Speaker 5: in the season he would be coming out in the draft?

1110
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Speaker 5: And then give me, like your assessment of him. Where

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00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 5: do we see him in this you know, light quarterback draft?

1112
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Speaker 9: Through nine games?

1113
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 8: Is he he was the best quarterback in the country.

1114
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1115
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 8: No one who can tell me different. Yeah, there's nobody.

1116
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 8: I was just watching more tape of him last night.

1117
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 8: I was actually watching Jeremy Bernard and some of the throws.

1118
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 8: The problem is he got injured and was battling injury.

1119
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 8: He had an offensive line that they figured out how

1120
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 8: to beat his protections Brent Venables did. In the first

1121
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 8: meeting against Oklahoma. He had a run game that was

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Speaker 8: non existent. I think it was like one hundred and

1123
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Speaker 8: twenty six in the FBS, which is like this mind

1124
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 8: blowing for an Alabama program, right, and so you canbine

1125
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Speaker 8: all the oh and by the way, his number one

1126
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 8: wide receiver Ryan Williams, who everyone was saying it's one

1127
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 8: A and one B with Jeremiah Smith Ohio State and

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Speaker 8: Ryan Williams coming out, and Williams had that monster game

1129
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Speaker 8: against Georgia as a true freshman in a really good

1130
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 8: freshman season, he disappeared kind of like got the yips

1131
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 8: and like lost focus and just was not an all

1132
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 8: an impact player for the second half of the season.

1133
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Speaker 9: Really, So you combine all.

1134
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 8: Those things and it's no wonder why the play started

1135
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 8: to dip. But I'm telling you, through nine games, like

1136
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 8: the processing, the pre snap stuff, the decision making, anticipation,

1137
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 8: he's a little bit more mobile than people.

1138
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 9: Want to give him credit.

1139
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 8: He's a little bit he's got a little more juice

1140
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 8: in his arm that people want to give him credit.

1141
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 9: But he's only.

1142
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 8: Played fifteen games, and it's that's frightening to me because

1143
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 8: that will become an outlier, right because you think about

1144
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 8: the Trubisky Anthony Richardson, the list goes, there's everyone who's

1145
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 8: been a first round pick with fewer than twenty pitt,

1146
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 8: you know, Mark.

1147
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 9: Going back to Mark Sanchez, they've all wound up failing.

1148
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 9: And so.

1149
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 8: Because he's a coach's son, and he was at Alabama

1150
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 8: for four years.

1151
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 9: Can he overcome all of that? Truly?

1152
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 8: Like, the only two guys that with sub thirty starts

1153
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 8: who are really really good starting quarterbacks in the league

1154
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 8: are superhuman. It's it's Josh Allen and it's Patrick Mahomes.

1155
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 8: Everyone else is like thirty three starts or more, and

1156
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 8: a lot of guys now are in the forties, fifties,

1157
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 8: and sixties, So it's a it's a big risk to take.

1158
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 8: I would love to see him in the Rams Rams situation,

1159
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 8: Okay Stafford behind Stafford for a year, learned the offense

1160
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 8: hard enough to pick things up unlike most rookie quarterbacks.

1161
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 9: Because of his history and growing up.

1162
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 8: You know, his dad's a head coach for eighteen straight

1163
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 8: years at Middle Tennessee State. I think Sean McVay would

1164
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 8: be the perfect match for him. And they've got two

1165
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 8: first round picks. So if it's not at thirteen, could

1166
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 8: it be at twenty nine. We'll see how that plays out.

1167
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 8: But I'm a big fan of Ty Simpson, but I

1168
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 8: also recognize what the concerns are.

1169
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 6: God, you can kind of see the impact right away

1170
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: that nick a man Wary had this season for Seattle

1171
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 6: going pick thirty five last year in the draft. Going

1172
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 6: into this year's draft, who do you think is the

1173
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: most underrated player that is not getting the attention now

1174
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 6: but could make a similar type of impact.

1175
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 9: I'll stick in safety.

1176
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 8: There are two guys that I don't think like you

1177
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 8: haven't heard their names a lot in this process, and

1178
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 8: it's early, and we'll go to the combine and they'll

1179
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 8: both work out well. It's Emmanuel McNeil warren from Toledo

1180
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 8: and Dylan Theeneman from Oregon.

1181
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 9: Both safeties, both versatile guys.

1182
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 8: Mc neil Warren is a guy like just watching him recently.

1183
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 8: His it's like watching the like Our Planet on Netflix,

1184
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 8: right like when when the stocking their prey and right

1185
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 8: before contact, you don't know if they're gonna go high

1186
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 8: and like work the face off or they're gonna cut

1187
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 8: their legs out, And that's what he does. And it's

1188
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 8: like force fumbles, interceptions, impact tackles.

1189
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 9: He's all over the field. And Theeneman is a guy who,

1190
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 9: like you know.

1191
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 8: Uh toshl POI said, the best slot cover corner I've

1192
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 8: ever had.

1193
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 9: And he runs in the fourth three.

1194
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna run in the four threes at like,

1195
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 8: you know, six foot plus and two hundred plus, So

1196
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 8: no one's gonna have an.

1197
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 9: Emon warriy type of workout.

1198
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 8: That was like, that was outrageous, right, and no one

1199
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 8: in this class has that kind of frame to begin with.

1200
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 8: But those are two guys in the league where you're

1201
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 8: now looking at all these top defenses, whether it's Emon

1202
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 8: Worri or a Jalen Petrie, all these top defenses have

1203
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 8: that kind of guy, a versatile chin piece safety who

1204
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 8: can allow you to stay in base personnel but really

1205
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 8: act like you're in nickel. I think teams are looking

1206
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 8: for that, and I think we could have three safeties

1207
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 8: with starting with Caleb.

1208
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 9: Downs from Ohio State come off the board in round one,

1209
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 9: which is not which is not a normalcy.

1210
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Let's quickly here go to Brent, who's in Ohio today. Brent,

1211
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on with Tom big Shay.

1212
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: Yes, Todd, Hi. I was just wondering.

1213
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 16: I'm a Hawaii fan and sometimes we get some decent

1214
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 16: draft picks, but I was wondering any draft picks from

1215
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 16: Hawaii or.

1216
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 8: Anybody that's on the West coast that.

1217
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: Stole Hawaii, Hawaii college.

1218
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 7: Players from Hawaii like cal Or E C l A

1219
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 7: or Oregon.

1220
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: Taking that all. Thank you, Tod.

1221
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 5: We've gotten the c and this man loves to call

1222
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 5: and ask about Hawaii.

1223
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it exists.

1224
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Best player in the NFL ever to graduate from Hawaii,

1225
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: damon bess?

1226
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 4: Was it? Was it best?

1227
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 9: Maybe?

1228
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 12: Yes?

1229
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 8: Maybe the answer is no, there's no one from Hawaii.

1230
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 8: There's obviously a lot a lot.

1231
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 9: Of Hawaiian you know players. Yes, we need to tell

1232
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 9: now we know.

1233
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: We know, we know.

1234
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: So you're getting married. I haven't received an invitation yet.

1235
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: Should I be expecting one?

1236
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1237
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 8: It's family owned, family only and quite honestly, like I

1238
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 8: heard how you you acted at Lebatard's wedding.

1239
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: So I showed up late to Levotard's wedding.

1240
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 4: What do you mean right?

1241
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's just family only, small gathering, second time

1242
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 8: around for both of us. So, uh so we're not

1243
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 8: making a big, big ordeal out of it.

1244
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: That's too bad. I had a best man speech for you.

1245
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: I mean.

1246
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 9: I just yeah, I was just gonna say who wrote it?

1247
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 9: Who's ransick?

1248
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: Are you going to the draft or no?

1249
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, well no not to the actual draft. Okay, maybe

1250
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 9: we're gonna be in the l A.

1251
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 8: Studios with with the Ringer. So we did it last year.

1252
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 8: It's awesome doing it there. It's just easier and less clutter.

1253
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 8: But I think we might go to DC next year.

1254
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 8: Here that's going to be epic, you know, White House Lawn,

1255
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 8: that quarterback class, that draft class.

1256
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 9: But we'll be there.

1257
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 8: But I'm heading out to the Combine on Sunday and

1258
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 8: we'll be in Indianapolis for a week, you know, bouncing

1259
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 8: around from steakhouses and sitting in the hotel room gathering data.

1260
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 9: It's a weird week out there.

1261
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you get a lot of information, so yeah,

1262
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 8: it's worth it.

1263
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: We made a mistake.

1264
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: Chason Helaw went to Hawaii, so.

1265
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: You're starting with it.

1266
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 5: His fiance's cousins and now we're talking about Hawaii players.

1267
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to listen. I wanted to stay with Tony

1268
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: Clark for thirty minutes. I did, really did.

1269
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, no more commercials for topic shit.

1270
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: The McShay show, wherever you get back off an extra

1271
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes? Right, well, yes, come on, come on, buddy,

1272
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: come on, budd Yes, when I tell you fifteen, it's

1273
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: really thirty, you know me.

1274
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 9: Fifteen minutes.

1275
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that's why I'm the best man at

1276
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: his wedding.

1277
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Todd Bigshay, thank you so much for the time, the

1278
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: McShay show, wherever you get your podcasts. He's part of

1279
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: the Ringer Network with Bill Simmons and those guys. We

1280
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it as always, Buddy, thank you very much.

1281
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 9: All right, take care of my man. I'll talk to

1282
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 9: you guys soon.