1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: We are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Joined now by Heather McDonald. She is a senior fellow 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: at the Manhattan Institute, a contributing editor at City Journal, 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: and the author of the best selling book War on Cops. Heather, 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. I gotta say your data and 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: your analysis of that data, which I have read a 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: lot distributed through the Wall Street Journal editorial page, has 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: been so fabulously well done. Thank you for the work 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: that you have that you have produced, and also for 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: the impact you have had in terms of helping to 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: fight back against the onslaught of defund the police. Why 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: do you think there is such antipathy towards police? How 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: do we end it? And we ever ended well, thank 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: you so much. We end it by being realistic about 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: crime in this country. The Americans are turning their eyes 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: away from the civilizational breakdown in the inner city that 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: is leading to these utterly barbaric, insane drive by shootings 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: that are taking every single day, literally dozens of black lives. 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: The country doesn't want to confront that, and instead we're 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: blaming the messenger. We're blaming the cops. They cannot fight 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: crime without having a disparate impact racially. Everything that's happening 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: today in the criminal justice system, Clay and Buck can 25 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: be explained by two words, disparate impact. We are unwinding 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: criminal law enforcement or unwinding incarceration because you cannot enforce 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: the law without having a disparate impact on black criminals. 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Why are we doing that? Why do we want to 29 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: enforce law to save black lives. There's no government agency 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: more dedicated to the proposition that black lives matter than 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: the police. And what we've seen in the time since 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: the George Floyd race riots, the police have backed off. 33 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: The result was utterly predictable, the largest one year increase 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: in homicide in this nation's history thirty percent. We have 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: to stop demonizing Joe Biden, have to stop putting out 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: this lie that the biggest thing that black parents have 37 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: to fear when their children walk out the door is 38 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: the police. That is utterly fantastical, and it continues to 39 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: escape go to profession. That is really in these inner 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: city neighborhoods, the only thing standing beside the thousands of 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: good law abiding residents that live there, and utter anarchy. 42 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Heather McDonald, author of The War on Cops, 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: an excellent book I recommend to all of you. I 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: have my copy at home. Heither It's back. I want 45 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: to know what you can tell us about whether we 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: are seeing a bit of a final turning of the tide. 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Enough pushback against you mentioned disparate impact and the way 48 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: this affects law enforcement, the amount of theft that is 49 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: going on, really systematic shoplifting and just looting. Actually, I mean, 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I think when you have a bag and you are 51 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: just taking all the most high priced items you can 52 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: get your hand on, throwing it in the bag in 53 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: broad daylight and walking not even necessarily running out of 54 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: a store, it's clear to people seeing that how there's 55 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: something's going on. Is there finally pushback for the district attorneys, 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: because that's not even necessarily a police level, that's a 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: legislative and district attorney issue in places like California New York. 58 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Are we seeing that backlash? Not enough? Frankly, I mean, 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: we had some of the most left wing prosecutors in 60 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the country re elected in the last election. Cycle, and 61 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: you're right, Buck, it is we have given up on 62 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: bourgeois or norms of respect for property. Why again, because 63 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: they have disparate impact. That we are living this experiment 64 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: in progressive ideology, which is that you can unwind law 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: enforcement and you're going to have peace and love. Instead, 66 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: what you get is barbarism, anarchy, unbridled theft, unbridled attacks. 67 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's tragic in San Francisco when you have 68 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Walgreens shutting dozens of stores simply because it does not 69 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 1: want to have to ac cost and arrest shoplifters again 70 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: because of disparate impact. The result is is that senior 71 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: citizens who depend on those pharmacies for their drugs are 72 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: out of luck. The law abiding people are being sacrificed 73 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: in order not to have a conversation about what's going 74 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: on in the inner city. The thing to watch for 75 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: everybody is what happens in Minneapolis. Minneapolis was the start 76 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: of this latest wave of anti cop hatred after George Floyd. 77 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: They've lost about a third of their police departments you've had. 78 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: When Al Sharpton was there celebrating the one year anniversary 79 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: of the George Floyd death at that time, you'd had 80 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: two girls, a nine year old and a six year 81 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: old in the last couple of days right before that, 82 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: having been shot in the head by these insane drive 83 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: by shootings, who died in a ten year old boy 84 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: who was shot in the head in his parents' car, 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: who is on life support for the brain dead for 86 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. Not a word from Al 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: Sharpton and Benjamin Crump. But Minneapolis has a vote coming 88 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: up on its progressive attempt to unwind the police department 89 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: and replace it with social workers. I don't think that 90 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: that initiative is going to pass. That will be a 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: good sign, but I frankly do not see enough pushback. 92 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: The progressives are still pushing the phony narrative that we 93 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: are living under systemic races, which is not the case. 94 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: We are living under bad behavior that has consequences. We 95 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: don't have an incarceration problem in this country. We don't 96 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: have mass incarceration. We have a crime problem. We're talking 97 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: to Heather McDonald. Heather, you had a stat that blew 98 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: my mind, and I want to ask you to share 99 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: it with our audience, because I think a lot of 100 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: people might not have heard it. We hear all the time, 101 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the police, they're so racist. Like you said, 102 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: there's the narrative that is being shared that black people 103 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: are in danger of being murdered by police at a 104 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: regular level, even though seventy five percent of people shot 105 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: by police are white, Asian or Hispanic, and even though 106 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: over fifty percent of all murders are committed by black 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: people in this country. And it's like, you can't say 108 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: that without people saying, oh my god, it's so racist 109 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: of you. How is it racist to share a fact? 110 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: You shared a data point in one of your articles 111 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: that blew my mind. It was the chances of a 112 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: police officer being shot by a black person as opposed 113 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: to a black person being shot by a police officer. 114 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I think, am I correct in that it's something like 115 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: twenty eight, which was more likely? In other words, who 116 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: was under more danger? Yeah, exactly. Let's just look. Let's 117 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: let's start with the basic numbers. I would love for 118 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: your listeners to guess how many unarmed blacks have been 119 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: killed this year by the police. My guess is they 120 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: will say hundreds, if not thousands. The number is four 121 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: four unarmed blacks out of a population of forty seven million, 122 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: and unarmed is defined very liberally. This is the Washington 123 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: Post count include people who are grabbing an officers gun 124 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: beating them with it. Now you compare that to the 125 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: number of police officers who have been fatally criminally assaulted 126 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: and killed this year, it's about fifty five. When you 127 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: compare the population ratios and calculate how many acts are 128 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: likely to have killed those cops. Because blacks historically make 129 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: up about forty percent of all cop killers blackmails, even 130 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: though there's six percent of the population, a police officer 131 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: is three hundred and seventy five times as likely to 132 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: be killed by a black as an unarmed black male 133 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: is to be killed by a police officer. So the 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: threat level is exactly the reverse of what we've been 135 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: led to expect. And yet police officers continue to go 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: into high crime neighborhoods trying to save lives, putting their 137 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: own lives at risk, and when they back out, the 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: result is last year, we've probably going to see about 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: ten thousand blacks who were killed. That's more than all 140 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: white and Hispanics combined. That those are the bodies that 141 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: the mainstream media does not want to talk about, because 142 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: if you talk about black crime victims. You have to 143 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: talk about black criminals, and nobody wants to do that. 144 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: To McDonald, author of the War on Cops, Heather the 145 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: defund the police narrative has certainly run into some political 146 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: problems now because cities like Austin, Texas, like Minneapolis, New 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: York that have either defunded or said they were in 148 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: the process of defunding police have had major increases in 149 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: homicides and shootings. I know you've been detailing and putting 150 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: out a lot of those stats. Is defund the police 151 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: now politically toxic as a slogan? Or is this just 152 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: going to go through a cycle. I mean, I like 153 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: to remind everybody BLM in June of twenty twenty was 154 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: really BLM two point zero, and it started under the 155 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Obama administration. It certainly did. We had the Ferguson effect 156 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen after the Michael Brown shooting, 157 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: another two thousand Blacks killed over two years compared to 158 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Last year, we had another two thousand in 159 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: one year. I think it's becoming toxic. But you know 160 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: what I'm looking for, Buck and Clay is changed in 161 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: the Biden administration you know, I do not see any 162 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: backing of of Merritt Garland both pretending that that conservatives 163 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: are domestic terrorists. I don't see any backing off of 164 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: them saying we're going to put as many police departments 165 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: under enormously costly, enormously burtison enormously unnecessary, consent decrees. Biden 166 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: could do a heck of a lot if he said 167 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: I was wrong. I've seen now what happens when you 168 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: demonize the cops. Minneapolis again, ground zero of the anti 169 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: police movement. Car stops dropped eighty five percent after the 170 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: race riots. Pedestrian stops dropped seventy five percent. Cops are 171 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: making a very valid, understandable calculation. There's a whole lot 172 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: of discretionary activity, like getting out of your car, initiating activity. 173 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: If you see somebody on a known drug corner at 174 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: two am hitching up his waistband as if he has 175 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: a gun, you can or you cannot get out of 176 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: your car. You don't need to. There hasn't been a 177 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: nine one one call. Cops are saying, I'm driving on 178 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: buy I'm not going to stop that gang banger and 179 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: see if he's got a gun, because if the situation 180 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: escalates and it's caught on cell phone. I may be 181 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: out of my job, I may be facing a criminal penalty. 182 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: Who knows if you can get due process of law 183 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: in this country, because juries know that if they don't 184 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: convict a police officer, America will burn to the ground. 185 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: That's what happened after Derek Chauvin trial. And so officers 186 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: are not doing discretion or activity and the result was 187 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: again predictable. As you say, we saw this in twenty fifteen. 188 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen with deep policing, crime went up. Crime has 189 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: gone up twice as much now, and Biden has a 190 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: lot of explaining to do. Heather, I really appreciate your work. 191 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: How many people do you hear from that say I 192 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: want to share the data that you have written. I 193 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: want to share all of the things that you are saying, 194 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: but I'm afraid that if I do, I'll get called racist. Huge. 195 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: It's a huge problem. It is so amazing. These are bodies. 196 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: The bodies do not lie. Homicide data is the gold 197 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: standard in criminology for every and we know blacks die 198 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: of homicide in this country between the ages of ten 199 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: and forty three at thirteen times. The rate of whites. 200 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: That means they are killing each other at thirteen times 201 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: the rate of whites. Blacks commit eighty eight percent of 202 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: all interracial crime between blacks and whites. These are the data, 203 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: but nobody dares talk about them because to talk about 204 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: the black victims means you're a racist. I just you know, 205 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: people like me that I've been writing about this, we 206 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: keep scratching our heads and saying but, but, but, but 207 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: black lives matter. Don't They know? They don't because America, 208 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: as I say, does not want to talk about the 209 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: cultural behavioral family breakdown in the inner city. You have 210 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: elite institutions that would rather accuse themselves of phantom racism 211 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: because they are so terrified that the behavior and achievement 212 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: gaps are never going to close, that they're setting out 213 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: in advance the only allowable explanation for crime disparities, for 214 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: achievement disparities, which is white racism. That is an explanation 215 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: that holds no water whatsoever in a country where now 216 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: every single mainstream institution is bending over backwards to hire 217 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: and promote as many minorities as possible. We were once 218 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: appallingly racist. We are not so today. 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We were just talking 245 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: Clay and I with Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 246 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: who is fearless on the topic of defund the police 247 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: of black lives matter of crime in America. She really 248 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: knows her stuff. I mean, I've seen her go toe 249 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: to toe with people many times, had her on many times. 250 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: If you happen to miss that, please go listen to 251 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: it on the podcast. We put out each hour of 252 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: the podcast of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show 253 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: every day, so you can pick the specific hours very easy. 254 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: The iHeart app a great place to listen or wherever 255 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. And we just thought Heather really 256 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: really brought it, and you know, we we do think 257 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: it's very possible that there might be a real political 258 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: price paid by the Democrats on two in two areas 259 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: well three. Actually there's so many. Yeah, I wasna I 260 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: kept trying to narrow down. I'm like, I was gonna 261 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: say crime, that's gonna say, well, actually the border, and 262 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna say, well, actually the economy, and that is 263 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: say we'll actually, you know, foreign policy, COVID, you get one, 264 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: you get on the list. The actual question at this 265 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: point would be where would the Democrats if the election 266 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: were held in you know, the mid terms were held 267 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: in a few weeks, where would they not pay a 268 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: political price? And you know, I don't know. I think 269 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: the only thing they have, bucket. This is what I 270 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: think is gonna end up happening the midterm is abortion. 271 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: I really think. I think they're gonna try to terrify 272 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: everybody in the suburbs as a war on women. Yeah, 273 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: get those suburban suburban women to be their only play 274 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: suburban singer women or something that the Democrats look to 275 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: give them advantage with all the time. But here's here's 276 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: DC police chief. We just want to get to this, 277 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: Rob CONTI blasting defund the police. I remember what defund 278 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: looked like, right when we didn't have the twols that 279 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: we needed and we were the murder capital and our 280 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: police officers shot more people than anywhere else in the country, 281 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: right here in our nation's capital. We were poorly trained 282 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: as a department back then, So I don't know what 283 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: defund looks like. At that time, police officers were going 284 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: into their pocket to put breaks on cars and tires 285 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: on cars. So, you know, when people say the fund 286 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: to me, you know, I look at it as you know, 287 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: we're taking money away from from the police department. And 288 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: while we may be trying to do other things, I 289 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: think we have to be able to this is this 290 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: country I believe has enough money that we can do 291 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: both things, and we can do both things well. We 292 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: can provide services that community members need to do, guttering, 293 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: community to invest in education, social work, all those things. 294 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: But we also need to make sure that our police departments, 295 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: that our law enforcement agencies are properly funded to do 296 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: the job that communities expect them to do. Anyone who 297 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: knows about police work Clay says the same thing. It's 298 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: amazing that's considered to be anything other than conventional wisdom. 299 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Defund the police buck is the stupidest idea to gain 300 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: any sort of credence with a major political party in 301 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: the twenty first century in mind. I'm not even sure 302 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: what else is closed. Maybe walls don't work, but it's 303 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: up there. Times not many years ago, just not or 304 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: ten years ago. Two enterprise in college students put their 305 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: technical know how to work. They set out to help 306 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: families digitally transfer their old family movies and pictures. 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Appreciate you hanging out with us on 325 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: this fantastic Wednesday. Buck. One of the challenges surrounding these 326 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine mandates is, obviously most employees don't have the 327 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: ability to say no, because most of us out there 328 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: have to have a job, have to have an opportunity 329 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: in order to take care of our families in order 330 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to pay our mortgages, and especially to pay our bills 331 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: with all of the inflation going on right now, and 332 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: so all of this trumpeting of oh, look, COVID vaccine 333 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: mandates work. Yes, if you threaten people with losing their jobs, 334 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: most people out there don't have the financial wherewithal or 335 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: the flexibility to be able to say I'm not going 336 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: to comply with your mandate. There's an interesting story going 337 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: on right now in the NBA with a player named 338 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. Now we've talked before about how NBA players 339 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: have been very questioning in many ways of the efficacy 340 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and necessity of COVID vaccines, but essentially because of city 341 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: mandates in New York City, in LA and in San Francisco. 342 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: By and large, if you are an athlete in those 343 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: locations playing indoors and you are refusing to be vaccinated, 344 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: you are not able to do your job. So Kyrie 345 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Irving right now, at least for the moment, is sticking 346 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: to his guns and refusing to be held be a 347 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: part of the COVID vaccine mandate, and he therefore is 348 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: not going to be able to play in your hometown 349 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: of New York City for the Brooklyn Nets. He's one 350 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: of the best players in the NBA, one of the 351 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: highest paid. What's interesting to me is not only Kyrie 352 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: Irving having the resources to fight against the COVID vaccine 353 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: man date, and also to put a different spin on 354 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: who is refusing the COVID vaccine right We're not talking 355 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: about Southwest Airline pilots. We're not talking about Trump supporting 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: Red state voters. What's interesting here, Buck is not only 357 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving so far saying no to the COVID vaccine. 358 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: It's what this says about larger society's ability to understand 359 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: and acquiesce to risk. And I want to see if 360 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: you buy into this analogy here in the nineteen nineties, 361 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson tested positive for HIV. At that point in time, 362 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: HIV was a death sentence. The idea was if you 363 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: got it, you were going to die, and announced that 364 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: he was no longer going to be able to play. 365 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: After getting treatment, the NBA permitted Magic Johnson to come 366 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: back and play. They changed protocols to say if you 367 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: had to cut, you had to come off the court. 368 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: There were players that were apprehensive and nervous about the 369 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: idea of obviously, with bodies being into each other, the 370 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: idea of potentially blood transmission leading to an HIV infection. 371 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: But Magic Johnson was allowed to play. I want to 372 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: contrast that, and by the way, that's the right decision, 373 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: I think, based on the data and the science. But 374 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: the risk of an HIV infection occurring, however remote and 375 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: limited it might have been, during the course of competition, 376 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: was at that point in time considered to be a 377 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: death sentence. In other words, unlike COVID, which spreads and 378 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: if you get it, you're sick. If you're a young, 379 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: healthy athlete, you might not even know you had it. 380 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: We haven't had any athletes who are in competition that 381 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: we know of at the professional level where COVID is 382 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: even spread from one team to another or one player 383 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: to another, even in something like football where you're tackling. 384 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: Certainly in basketball hasn't happened. And obviously Michael Jordan is 385 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: one of the most famous athletes of all time partly 386 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: because he played basketball with the flu. Refused to allow 387 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: the flu, at least according to historical record, to keep 388 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: him from having an incredible game. Obviously, the flu is 389 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: very communicable during the course of a game as well. 390 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: That made him a legend. Do you find this interesting? 391 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: In the space of whatever it is twenty five years roughly, Buck, 392 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: we have gone from let's find a way to allow 393 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson to play with HIV, which at that time 394 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: was effectively a death sentence, to now we can't even 395 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: allow Kyrie Irving in New York City or LA or 396 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco to play if he's unvaccinated, even though Buck, 397 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: they can test him and confirm that he isn't COVID positive, 398 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: and that anybody out there who is nervous about this 399 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: could go get their own COVID vaccine and theoretically have 400 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: even more protection. What does that tell us about risk 401 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: analysis and risk factors. Do you find this as intriguing 402 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: as I do in a larger societal picture, Yes, because 403 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: the people who are pushing for the mandates won't really 404 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: say this out loud, but they need in their own 405 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: minds for the mandates to be universal and without exception, right, 406 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: so they needed to apply to everybody. They need there 407 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: to be almost no opt outs or loopholes whatsoever, because 408 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: in their minds they're going to turn COVID. And this 409 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: is I think where the epidemiology, not that I'm a 410 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: doctor or playing on a radio, but this is where 411 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: the epidemiology becomes a problem for them. They think that 412 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: this is going to be like measles. They think that 413 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: this is going to be like malaria, a disease that 414 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: we have effectively eradicated in the United States. They don't 415 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: seem to understand that this is going to be much 416 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: more like either the common cold or the flu in 417 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: terms of the various iterations of a strange way, the 418 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: mutations there. It will never be gone entirely the same 419 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: way that as much as it would save a lot 420 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: of lives and billions of dollars of lost productivity and 421 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: working out is every year to get rid of the 422 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: common cold, to get rid of the flu. We don't 423 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: yet have the scientific basis to do that. We don't 424 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: yet have the knowledge to do that, and we are 425 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: seeing I think that people believe that this is going 426 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: to be because this is what they're saying also about 427 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: the vaccine men. It's oh, it's just like what about measles, mumps, rubella. 428 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: Those are different diseases that have different levels of or 429 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: different speeds of mutation, and also are much more dangerous 430 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: to children if they get them. I mean that's so 431 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: they're comparing things that aren't really that much alike, and 432 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: they're negating things that actually do have a lot of similarities. 433 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: With this and because of the one size fits all 434 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: policy is the only policy that will allow them to 435 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: feel safe and warm and nite when they go to sleep. 436 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: The Fauciites want this to be a everyone has to 437 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: bend the knee scenario. And with Kyrie Irving, I mean, 438 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: of course, what are we really even talking about here? 439 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: Right when you discuss the application of this policy. He 440 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: might get COVID and therefore he might expose some of 441 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: his teammates. Well, he might get COVID and expose people 442 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: in any number of ways that aren't his teammates. Where 443 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: this is the world we live in, why not at 444 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: least make it a He's got to get tested regiment, 445 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: which the Biden administration and their OSHA rule says is 446 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: an opt out from vaccination for employers more than one 447 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: hundred So why go to this extreme? The chance of 448 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving getting COVID and dying from it is effectively zero. 449 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's almost here, It's statistically zero, and yet 450 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: they're going to force him to get this shot. You 451 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: sit here say, if they can do this to you 452 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: based on the risk parameters that we're dealing with, what 453 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: can the government not do to you in the name 454 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of health. This is what I think the conversation people 455 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: need to start to have, need to start to think about. 456 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: And I think what has to happen is people with 457 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: the resources can fight this. I think what Kyrie Irving, 458 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree with him on a variety 459 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: of different subjects, he has the financial resources to be 460 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: able to survive and take care of his family without 461 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: making the money right now. And so there are a 462 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: lot of people out there with the same financial resources. 463 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: These are the people that need to be fighting the 464 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: battle because it's unfortunate. But there's a lot of people 465 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: out there who are facing COVID vaccine mandates. We know 466 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: because we've taken their calls buck who, Hey, if they 467 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: don't get the shot, then they aren't able to pay 468 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: their mortgage, they aren't able to take care and go 469 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: get food for their family. And so as a result, 470 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people have to comply, even though they 471 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: fundamentally reject the very precept of requiring mandating these vaccines. 472 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: So it also changes the storyline of who exactly is 473 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: fighting this battle. And I think it's an incredibly powerful 474 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: move by Kyrie Irving in many respects. 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That's American Financing dot net. 502 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: MLS one eight two, three, three four MLS Consumer Access 503 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: dot Org. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 504 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: We are rolling through the second hour of the program. 505 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Encourage you 506 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: to go download the podcast Buck even if you usually don't, 507 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you, we have a lot of 508 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: good guests on here. But Heather McDonald just laying out 509 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: the facts behind why defund the police is one of 510 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: the dumbest political decisions of all time. If you're just 511 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: joining us right now and you didn't hear that discussion 512 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: at the top of the second hour, that's the kind 513 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: of information we want to give you and allow you 514 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: to be able to share with your friends and family 515 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: out there when they're making arguments and they're completely illogical 516 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: about police being dangerous. She was just phenomenal. Yeah, she 517 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: really was very strong, guests, I would be interested to 518 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: see an analysis of because remember, defund the police really 519 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: got going. It was under the Trump administration. Of course, 520 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: it was a Democrat movement, and the Democrats managed to 521 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: we could talk about all the ways and all the things, 522 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: but they managed to at least push Joe Biden into 523 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: the Oval office. Despite the fact that cities were burning, 524 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: and as Heather described it, there were race riots going 525 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: on the summer of twenty twenty. David in Kentucky has 526 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: some thoughts on Heather McDonald. Want to get him on, David, welcome, Hey, 527 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you all. We're good, Thank you, good, 528 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: excellent show man. I've been in law enforcement several years. Um, 529 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: never seen it this bad, never thought it would even 530 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: begin to get this bad. Heather is spot on. I 531 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: know a lot of times we just looked blind eye 532 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: to what's going on. They don't want proactive policing here. 533 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: They don't want proacting policing in a lot of states anymore. Um. 534 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, I jump out on the gays standing on 535 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: the corner. I'm chastised because I'm doing my job. You know, 536 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with its African American, 537 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: Baxican white, doesn't doesn't doesn't matter if he has suspicious 538 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: activity going on. We just turned blind eye to it, man, 539 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: until we get to call most of us. Yeah, David, 540 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: you know they're actually not even allowed to respond. Thank 541 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: you for calling in as a law enforcement officer. They're 542 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: not even allowed Clay to respond now, and I say 543 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: allowed it's official policy in Austin, Texas, in an otherwise 544 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: great state. As we know, Austin is uh the the 545 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: little piece of blue in the midst of all that red, 546 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: although obviously Dallas and Houston are also majority Democrat cities, 547 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: but Austin police are not. They defunded it over a 548 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars and they don't respond to property crimes. 549 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: They'll say, sorry, we'll send somebody over there in a 550 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: day or two, you know, unless there's an actual felony 551 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: in progress or there's a violent crime that's being reported. 552 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Cops in Austin are told, sorry, you'll get to it 553 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: when you're Rather, people who call the cops are told, 554 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: we'll get to it when we get to it. Tyler 555 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: in Sacramento, California got some thoughts on the shipping situation. 556 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: What's up, Tyler, Good morning, guys, calling you from Sacramento, 557 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: Russia's old stopping grounds from KFPK. Indeed appreciate that I 558 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: actually has some thought about this container crisis right now, 559 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: and I am of the opinion that it's completely manufactured. 560 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: I work in the American maritime industry and there seems 561 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: to be a huge layer of focus in the drive 562 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: by media right now. But oh the backup in Long Beach, 563 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: at backup and Long Beach back up in Long Beach? 564 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: Have people forgotten that the entire like there's like another 565 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: ten container terminals all along the West Coast, I mean 566 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: even very close along with Beach in San Diego and 567 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: PORTLANDIMI in Oakland, in Portland and Tacoma that could all 568 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: handle this traffic. But why are we all back? Why 569 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: is everybody's focused on just the backups in Long Beaches. 570 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: It's completely manufactured. There's no reason on the planet that 571 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: these ships could not go up to say Oakland. While 572 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: I was waiting for this call, I looked up how 573 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: many ships are in port of San Francisco right now, 574 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: and the twenty four spots to have for an ship's anchorage, 575 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: only eleven are taken right now. And there's only seven 576 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: container ships in San Francisco, three of which are American 577 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: flat container ships right now in San Francisco Bay compared 578 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: to what the two three does. Is one of the 579 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: big Sorry to cut you off, and I'm far from 580 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: a logistics expert, but isn't one of the big problems 581 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: with all of the supply chain right now? That there 582 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: aren't enough workers to be able to distribute and unload 583 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: the product, and also that due to inflationary pressures, the 584 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: cost of shipping have increased to such a substantial degree 585 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: that many companies are not able to effectively and efficiently 586 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: transport their product without having to massively increase the overall cost. 587 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate your call, but the data seems to reflect 588 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and again just looking at the data, that we are 589 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: going to see shortages, and I would tend to believe 590 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: that much of this is now related to COVID disruptions. 591 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: And my wife keeps hammering me on this buck, so 592 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to say it, Well, these are choices 593 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: we made about COVID. COVID didn't cause this, right, And 594 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: I think that's an important distinction, COVID response, not the 595 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: virus path. Yes, And so much of the discussion occurs 596 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: as if COVID has caused this to happen. No, no, no, no, 597 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: it's our response to COVID that has caused many of 598 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: the societal disruptions that still are plaguing our country. Right, 599 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: you have to remember some of the dynamics everyone that 600 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: we're ascended to the Democrat Party in the last election, 601 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: especially during the Democrat primary, that COVID essentially provided an 602 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: opportunity for the implementation of those things. Client I talk 603 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: about modern monetary theory in a regular basis. Bernie Sanders, 604 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: the Sandernistas, these are people who generally believe in MMT 605 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, the COVID emergency. We have to 606 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: spend trillions and trillions of dollars pay people to stay home. 607 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: Remember the rise of universal basic income, another very popular 608 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: idea in some quarters of the left. Well, we started 609 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: sending people checks to stay home and not go to work. 610 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: They've had not even really a dry run. They've had 611 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: a taste of some of these things that they hadn't 612 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: been able to get and have wanted on the left 613 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. This all goes into what we're 614 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: seeing now with the massive social engineering that they're hoping 615 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: to get through with the multi trillion dollar stimulus slash, 616 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: rescue splash, whatever they're calling it built. I don't think 617 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: there's any doubt we come back more of this chaos 618 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: that's going on in the country. We haven't talked about 619 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: it a lot buck but things have gotten so bad 620 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: in California that businesses are just saying we're gonna shut 621 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: down because we can't make money because people are stealing 622 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: from us too much. Plus, we've got leaked border patrol 623 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: documents showing the mass release of illegal immigrants into the 624 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: US by the Biden administration. That story just breaking on 625 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: Foxnews dot Com in the last couple of hours. We 626 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: will bring that to you the border. Friends, the Biden 627 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: administration does not want you to hear what Clay and 628 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: I are going to be telling you about the border, 629 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: the truth about it in just a few minutes. So 630 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: if you want to have your own, let's go Brandon 631 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: moment they hear on the show. Listen to us. You're 632 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: listening to Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton fund the EIB Network.