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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that when people are trying to

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Speaker 2: do bad things, there's people trying to do good things.

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Speaker 2: And this week and next week it's the holidays and

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Speaker 2: all the editors and people get vacations, and I guess

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Speaker 2: I do too because of that, and so I'm running reruns.

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Speaker 2: But don't worry, you'll enjoy it anyway. I believe in you.

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Speaker 2: I believe in your ability to enjoy this even though

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Speaker 2: it's run before. Because this week and next week we're

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Speaker 2: going to be talking about well, I've been talking so

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Speaker 2: much about resistance to empire, and I've been focusing on

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Speaker 2: resistance to the Roman Empire, but obviously I'm pretty interested

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Speaker 2: in resistance to the American Empire. And so this week

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Speaker 2: and next week we're going to be rerunning episodes about

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Speaker 2: Lakota resistance to the American Empire in two different centuries.

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Speaker 2: And this is part one. Hello and welcome to It

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Speaker 2: could happen like bastards are dying? Is cool doing cool stuff? Wow? Eh,

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Speaker 2: that's my that's my cool Zone Media mixed with a

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Speaker 2: show that isn't Cool Zone Media Introduction or well you

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Speaker 2: all know the title of it. You clicked on it

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Speaker 2: in the thing. Everyone else is holding up dogs and

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Speaker 2: or dog pillows. But my dog is out saving the

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Speaker 2: world from airplanes by running around my yard barking at them,

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Speaker 2: and not a single airplane has come into my yard

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Speaker 2: since my dog has started keeping watch. So I will

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Speaker 2: just say earlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good job Renshaw.

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Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to someone sent me a message where

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Speaker 2: someone was like, oh, I really liked that podcast Cool

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Speaker 2: People Did Cool Stuff. I can't remember the name of

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Speaker 2: the host. You know that lady who like lives alone

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Speaker 2: with her dog, And I'm like.

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Speaker 3: Is that who you are?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: You're the lady who lives alone with her dog?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing it.

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Speaker 2: So the podcast that you're all listening to is Cool

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Speaker 2: People Did Cool Stuff. The voices you are hearing is

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Speaker 2: our producer, Sophie Hi, Sophie, I Mirgaret, I missed you.

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Speaker 2: I missed you too. And what is the name of

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Speaker 2: your dog? Slash dog pillow?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm holding an exact replica pillow of my dog

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Speaker 1: Anderson that my best friend Robin gave us. It's pretty amazing,

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Speaker 1: is amazing, and Anderson sleeps on her Anderson Pillow.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's pretty great, so beautifully narcissistic.

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Speaker 2: I love that she's alive. Yeah, the other voice you

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Speaker 2: are hearing is my guest, Miriam.

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Speaker 3: I'm hi, I'm Miriam. I'm also holding up a dog.

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Speaker 3: This is a real dog and not a cushion, although

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Speaker 3: you could.

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Speaker 2: Convince me, yeah, this is a cushion shaped dog, a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a cushion that eats a surprising amount

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Speaker 2: There are dogs in today's episode, not a lot of them. Well,

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Speaker 2: actually there are a lot of them, but they're not

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Speaker 3: I don't know what today's episode is about, because all

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Speaker 3: the only hint you would text me was that it

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Speaker 3: was suggested to you by my girlfriend. And when I

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Speaker 3: two most likely people that they would have suggested to you.

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Speaker 2: They were wrong, wrong on both couns.

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Speaker 3: No, Bo didn't tell you to do Fred Hampton.

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Speaker 2: I most told me to do a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: but the particular person we're doing today, this week and

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Speaker 2: next week. It was going to be a one two parter,

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Speaker 2: but immediately got carried away because there's so much cool

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Mo is bouncing up and down next to me

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Speaker 3: because I'm wearing headphones. We are talking about Lakota resistance

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Speaker 2: Eventually, it's going to culminate into something that is happening now,

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Speaker 3: So you're I like, how you're imagining future people to

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Speaker 2: Mad at Yeah. It's probably because I joined back on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: I was free for months, Margaret.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do this?

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Speaker 2: Because I wanted more up to date news about the

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Speaker 2: genocide that my tax dollars are funding. Because the New

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Speaker 2: ian Ian. So we're going to start with an awful

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Speaker 3: Because oh man, context I know from me on Cool People.

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Speaker 2: I know cool context that happened the cool terrible context

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Speaker 3: For once, I'm pretty sure the cool context is not

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Speaker 2: Even I wonder if I can get that in here,

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Speaker 2: got me back on Twitter. Okay, So I would argue

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Speaker 3: And they were they were doing more of their atrocities

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. The French kept also then they

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Speaker 2: They kept trying to make people have like a clear

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Speaker 3: You're not You're not dealing with people who are like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so the British were like, well,

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Speaker 3: I like that you just dead named the American colonists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, fucking Brits.

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Speaker 3: George Washington, who calls himself a American.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so they want Ohio. And so then we

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Speaker 2: By seventeen sixty three, France and England signed the Tree

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Speaker 3: Shit well, and Louisiana went up a lot further on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, Okay, England gets Florida from Spain.

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Speaker 2: Plus there's a bunch of shit that England steals from

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Speaker 2: just start to start fighting over like who gets what bedroom?

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Speaker 2: You know, That's what this war was.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is funny and not at all horrifying.

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Speaker 2: No, oh my god, there's so much horror movie like, oh,

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Speaker 2: American history is hard.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a rough one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, but there'll be really beautiful moment.

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Speaker 3: I mean most of the ones that you've had me

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Speaker 3: was genocide free mostly, but you know.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, that was just instead of a different kind

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Speaker 2: let's talk about pirates anyway. Yall should go back and

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Speaker 2: listen to that one. So so the colonists are like, fuck, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And this is the first deal that only one side

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Speaker 2: They lied a lot, but yeah, no, yeah, And then

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Speaker 3: I don't know about a lot of I don't know

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Speaker 2: Cool the US Declaration of Independence, like subtweets this this

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Speaker 2: Four of the nations sided with the crown because the

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Speaker 2: we're patriots, right. They were just fighting for their own

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Speaker 2: But in seventeen eighty three, the patriots win the war

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Speaker 3: To the Homestead Act.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but uh, sponsor of this show, the Homestead Act,

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Speaker 3: That's a bad sponsorship.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Well I already got paid by them to do.

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Speaker 3: The homestead strike.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are brought to you by strikes and not

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Speaker 2: all right, well here's the ads only for those things,

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Speaker 2: and Rebecca, we're not actually going to talk. So this

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Speaker 3: Congratulations on the abortion and weed by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, Oh yeah, fuck yeah, yeah do at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, absolutely, abortion while you smoke a joint.

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Speaker 2: I know, may smoke the joint after that, Yeah, after

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Speaker 2: smoke the joint, and only after December seventh, because otherwise

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Speaker 2: I still think it's fucking cool.

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Speaker 3: That did make that line cooler knowing what day goes

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah. I one of my friends lives in Ohio

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Speaker 3: Now, but they will, of course December seventh, they will

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Speaker 2: Weed because we all totally believe in the system of

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Speaker 2: But today, instead of talking about Ohio, we're going to

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Speaker 2: to the Black Hills, I have not, No, they're really pretty.

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Speaker 2: I understand why everyone fought over them.

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Speaker 2: Now it's about gold. I'll talk about that later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I haven't been, but I did watch Deadwood.

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Speaker 2: So although there's a lot of fighting before white people

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Speaker 2: dense that they appear to be black from a distance.

438
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: It has always been a sacred place for the Lakota

439
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: and for the groups that came before them. Lots of

440
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: folks hung out there in various pre colonial history and

441
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: they often fought over it. The Arakari were there as

442
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: well as the Cheyenne and the Crow and some other folks.

443
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: And then in seventeen seventy six, while well, everyone's paying

444
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: atention to something else, it actually is completely unrelated to

445
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: thousands of miles away. In seventeen seventy six, the Lakota

446
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: basically kick everyone out and take the Black Hills, which

447
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: sets up an animosity that is going to come up

448
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: a lot later and broadly, the various groups that are

449
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: living there are what are called the Great Plains tribes.

450
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: Some of them are semi nomadic, some are fully nomadic,

451
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: and they rely heavily on hunting. The vast herds of

452
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: buffalo or the introduction of the horse. They relied on

453
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: dogs with sledges to whole stuff around, like an Arikara

454
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: family would have thirty to forty dogs per family, which

455
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: is just imagine being that.

456
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: Rich, that's such a wonderful number of dogs. I know

457
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: you did promise me dogs in this episode.

458
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: This is the dogs. Yeah, and I said there was

459
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of them, but they weren't gonna

460
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: be very important to the story because I was like,

461
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: there's not that many dogs.

462
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: There's sometimes vital to the story. Well, if you have

463
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: a nomadic society and dogs are your primary pack animal,

464
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: that's a those are very important dogs. I will not

465
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: let you dismiss these dogs.

466
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: It's true, but there are hundreds of years ago by

467
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: the time that we're stuffing.

468
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Talking about their context it is, you're all about the contexts.

469
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: Are contextual dogs.

470
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: Right, contextual dogs. Later they are master horsemen and great planes.

471
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: Tribes are used as the archetypical Indian in White American culture,

472
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: partly because they were really fucking good at fighting the

473
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: US military and so they were like around to be

474
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: at war longer, Like I mean, not everyone's been around, right,

475
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Like one of the other greatest lies that we hear

476
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: is like that it's done. Everyone's subjugated, it's over two

477
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: lay for decolonization, all that bullshit, right, But these folks,

478
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: it's part of why they live on in the white

479
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: American imagination and become this like stereotypical reflection of all

480
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: indigenous people in North America. So if there's like a

481
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: thing that you think of, this probably comes from the

482
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: Great Plain stripes. Most of who we're going to talk

483
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: about today are generally called the Sioux, including by a

484
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: lot of them, but more historically than presently. It's an

485
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: outside name for them and is less in use today.

486
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: There are three branches or subculture of what gets called

487
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: the Sioux. There's the Lakota, the San Tea or the

488
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: Eastern Dakota, and the Yankton or the Western Dakota. And

489
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: each of these groups is further divide into various bands.

490
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: The name Sioux is an exonym that from Najibwe word

491
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: for little snakes, because it was meant to be mean.

492
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: I believe mostly will be talking about the Lakota this week,

493
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: and so I point that out because like, if you

494
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: google a lot of this, you'll have to look for

495
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: like Sioux stuff.

496
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: You know.

497
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: White people didn't really start showing up in the Black

498
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Hills until the early eighteen hundreds. At first, relationships were complicated,

499
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: but not necessarily super bad. When there's just like a

500
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: couple of white people around. Right, by the eighteen twenties,

501
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: the US is setting one group against the other and

502
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: hiring folks to help them with various raids. And it's

503
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: not hard to get some of these groups to fight

504
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: each other because they their issues with each other are

505
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: like all pretty legit, you know.

506
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: Of course.

507
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And by the eighteen when like a super powerful,

508
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: you know, outside entity comes in and is like making

509
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: use of that, of course there's going to be you know,

510
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: that's going to be a terrible situation.

511
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it like and people are just

512
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: doing what they think is best with the information that

513
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: they have available to them, right, They're like, oh, well,

514
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: this other group is my main enemy, these fucking white people.

515
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: Help me fight them or like vice, you know. Like

516
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: by the eighteen forties, folks are like, wait, what the fuck,

517
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: We're all like dying of disease. These motherfuckers keep slaughtering

518
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: the ever loving shit out of the buffalo. This sucks,

519
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: and resistance.

520
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: Start allying with them never actually works out.

521
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: Great, No, it really really doesn't, especially making treaties with

522
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: them not a historically honoring treaty. Bunch.

523
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: White Americans really really love to make treaties, love to

524
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: break treaties, does the United States?

525
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a serial monogamoust who loves to cheat.

526
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: Never mind, is it like that, It's like a serial

527
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: monogamous who is also a serial killer.

528
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: Yes much, yes, better, better better. Yeah. I never thought

529
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: it'd be like, oh, serial killer, better better better. Yeah.

530
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: So the Gold Russian Oregon Trail bullshit in eighteen forties,

531
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: saw so many settlers headling west is really fucking things up,

532
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: and folks are moving right through their territory. There's this

533
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty one treaty that, of course the US immediately broke,

534
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: and the Oglala band of the Lakota people was particularly

535
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: not fucking having it. There's one war leader, his name's

536
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: Red Cloud, and in eighteen sixty six he said, quote

537
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: the White Chief comes as soldiers to steal the land

538
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: that they were like considering selling. Comes to steal before

539
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: the Indian says yes or no. I will talk with

540
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: you no more. I will go now, and I will

541
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: fight you as long as I live. I will fight

542
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: you for the last hunting grounds of my people. Red Cloud, Yeah,

543
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: he's not fucking around. He killed the head chief of

544
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: the Oglala bulbar for being too friendly with the white invaders.

545
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Gotta do what you gotta.

546
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Do, yep. So let's talk about how bad the invaders were.

547
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: This is gonna be my favorite part. Uh, they're really invading. Heck,

548
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: for example, you ever heard of a guy named Kit Carson?

549
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: Has yes, heard of that guy.

550
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: So he's not involved here. But I'm gonna tell you why.

551
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I need you to understand him, to understand

552
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: the relative morality of some of these invaders. He's more

553
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: involved in the Southwest. Uh, particularly, I believe he's involved

554
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: in murdering and sexually assaulting to nay people.

555
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: Yey.

556
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: Carson was a Union officer who immediately after the Civil

557
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: War went to go join the Indian Wars and got

558
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: the nickname Indian Killer, which is a bad name and

559
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: if you have it, you should die. He went around

560
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: the Southwest and destroyed everyone's food supplies. That was like

561
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: how he won his quote unquote war as he was

562
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: really into destroying people's food supplies. He was famous as

563
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: shit as like a dime store novel hero, like the

564
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: face of like America, fighting in the Indian Wars or whatever.

565
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: The DNAY called him. Long Knives which is another bad

566
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: nickname to have, and he used to play catch with

567
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: the sever breast of Indigenous women that he's slaughtered. Jesus Christ,

568
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: because American history is a fucking horror movie, you know what.

569
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: Like, I fancy myself a fairly educated person, And as

570
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: soon as you started talking about this about Kit Carson specifically,

571
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't know a lot about

572
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: Kit Carson specifically, but I bet nothing she's gonna tell

573
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: me is going to shock me. I know about the

574
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: American genocide of and god fucking damn it. No, that

575
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: is actually I mean, yes.

576
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: Christ, Yeah, And any listener knows that I hate being

577
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: really explicit about some of this kind of stuff. I

578
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: take it very carefully. I think it's worth understanding who

579
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers are.

580
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: There's I mean there there is like a a level

581
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: of disregard for human life that needs to be understood

582
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: in this situation exact because you can have you know,

583
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: but because body counts don't tell the full story. But

584
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: something like that is pretty pretty like demonstrative of the

585
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: mindset at work and the just sheer like genocidal fervor

586
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: at work.

587
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely and absolutely does not see people as human.

588
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: There's a park named after him in California. You can

589
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: go to Kit Carson Park. Okay, the reason I'm telling

590
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: you about Kit.

591
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: Carson Jesus, Okay, put that on the on the list.

592
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: After all the Confederate well not after all the Confederate

593
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: monuments are aide. While the Confederate monuments are being melt down,

594
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: Maybe there's any they're human that things to be named

595
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: after a Kit. Kit sounds like a bullshit fucking nickname

596
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: for like a nineteen fifties girl detective, and like he's

597
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's so likely he's trying to be

598
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: so non threatening and chill, Like I hate that.

599
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: Non threatening chill.

600
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Kit isn't fuck that guy.

601
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: So some of the shit that was happening in the

602
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: Black Hills by the settlers in the army that's supporting them,

603
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: all the murder and rape and murder rape, including an

604
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: entire campus Chyenne people, Kit Carson, Kit fucking Carson looked

605
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: at that and said that the settlers who did that

606
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: were cowards and dogs because of how evil the settlers

607
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: and the Black Hills are.

608
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, are we sure he wasn't just jealous?

609
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: It's completely possible. But it's like, that's how fucking that's

610
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: if this is the moral compass, Like, this is why

611
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: I had to explain Kit Carson. It's also worth understanding

612
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Kit Carson because it's worth understanding that the villain from

613
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: the Saw movies is the archetypical hero of the Indian

614
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: Wars from the American side. I have still not seen

615
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: the Saw movies. It's not my style of thing.

616
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna watch though, And I know you love context,

617
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna watch the Saw movies for context

618
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: for your explanation of Kit Carson no murder. I mean, yeah,

619
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm generally given to understand that people don't come out

620
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: of those movies and you know, with all their parts.

621
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Red Cloud and a bunch of other folks

622
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: are like, fuck this, We're gonna do a fucking war,

623
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: and it gets called Red Cloud's war. It's not really

624
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: his war. You can't own a war. Also, it's like

625
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: that's like a basically a white imposition to call him

626
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: the leader of the war. There's a lot of leaders. Also,

627
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: it would also be a lie to claim it was

628
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: all equals right, But it's like a lot of complicated,

629
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: different groups working together and fighting a very righteous and

630
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: beautiful war. I mean, well beautiful whatever.

631
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: It's fucking whatever they do what they were, yeah, doing

632
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: something that needed to be done. And like, I think

633
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: there's also something where you like name a by like

634
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: naming a war after the one guy, where the US

635
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: can kind of pretend that it's smaller than it is, like, oh,

636
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: it's just this guy who has a problem with US.

637
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what his deal is. And it's like, no,

638
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: it's all of these people who you have screwed over

639
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: in this just in you know, in this sort of

640
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: language defying way that are now fighting back and you're

641
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: just like, oh, well, it's you're trying to like put

642
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: it on one person, right.

643
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Red Cloud got a little upset one day after, you know.

644
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: Right, like if people had called the War of Independence

645
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: like and I can't name a single founding war right

646
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: like Ben Franklin's war, it would have sounded trivial and silly, right,

647
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: And you know.

648
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: And so they are Lakota, Cheyenne and Arapahoe folks fighting

649
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: alongside one another, and they're just like fucking the Americans

650
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: up in Red Clouds War. But if you want to

651
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: go to war. We yeah, do we sell Nope, Nope, nope,

652
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: none of that happened. Here's ads and we're back. So

653
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: the US Army was protecting something called the Bozeman Trail,

654
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: which connected up to the Oregon Trail, and they've just

655
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: built a bunch of forts on Crow Territory, and the

656
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: Crow are generally allied with the US throughout most of

657
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: this because they're sick of the Lakota trying to put

658
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: their territory. Captain William J. Fetterman is in charge of

659
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: my to these guys, I try really hard not to

660
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: be mad at people for their last names. But Fetterman

661
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: is the name of a person who puts people in chains,

662
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: and he's a bad guy.

663
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's what that means, I guess, yeah,

664
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: or it means Featherman. Maybe I'm pretty.

665
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: Sure it's jail guy. I don't know, whatever, I don't know.

666
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: You're not actually responsible for your last name. And like me, killjoy,

667
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, who would have picked a name anyway.

668
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: So.

669
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: Unlike you, I didn't pick his name, but it sounds

670
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 3: like he earth.

671
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he has no experience in the Indian Wars.

672
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: This guy Fetterman and he's entirely contemptious of the quote

673
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: unquote savages. At one point, he says, give me eighty

674
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: men and I can ride through the whole sue nation.

675
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: I am so excited for this man to get killed

676
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: so hard? Is that? Am I going to get to

677
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: see this man killed so hard?

678
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you that he gets exactly eighty or

679
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: eighty one men, and then he tries to ride through

680
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: the whole Suon nation. I'll tell you that much.

681
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: Does that work out?

682
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: So about a thousand warriors laid in ambush in the hills,

683
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: four miles away from the enemy. Fort ten folks volunteer

684
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: to serve as bait, evenly split from the various groups involved,

685
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: including and introducing one of the coolest motherfuckers in history,

686
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: Crazy Horse.

687
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes.

688
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, there's a wink To, which is a two

689
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: spirit person who gives advice to Red Cloud about the battle,

690
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: saying that in their vision they saw a hundred Blue

691
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: Coat soldiers in their hands, and this prophecy gives the

692
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: upcoming battle the name the Battle of the Hundred in

693
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: the Hands. US sources call it the Fetterman Fight, which

694
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: is boring.

695
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah much much less good name.

696
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, although it was a little bit like kind of

697
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: what we were saying that people say about like Red

698
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: Cloud's war, Well, he got kind of upset and he

699
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: went to or that's kind of what happens with Fetterman.

700
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: He's like a little upset, you know. And so the

701
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: ten decoys harassed the detachment of eighty one soldiers, which

702
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: I believe is his eighty guys.

703
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: Had ass ten people Like that is an incredible thing

704
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: to volunteer for.

705
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: They are literally mooning soldiers who are shooting grape shot

706
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: from cannons at them.

707
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: Fucking legend. That is so cool. Good for them, and

708
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: oh my god.

709
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: And it's like it's so funny too, right, because it's like,

710
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: when I first read this, I thought it was like, oh, no,

711
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: we set up as if we're easy to attack, don't

712
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: attack us.

713
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: You know.

714
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: That's because that's what I would assume would write.

715
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: I was picturing somebody like running through like, oh no,

716
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: I've twisted my ankle, don't chase me.

717
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, no, they were literally mooning them. Yeah,

718
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: they were like, hey, we're harassing you and try to

719
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: get you to follow us so we can kill you.

720
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, we're not gonna follow and kill you.

721
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: You know, this couldn't possibly be a trap. Yeah, every

722
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: and so the decoys led the soldiers further away from

723
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: any support. Every one of the eighty one soldiers died

724
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: in the ambush.

725
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: Cool.

726
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: The indigenous folks had like very few guns at this point.

727
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: They are mostly fighting with bows and arrows, spears and

728
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: clubs against muskets. Fetterman himself died when someone slashed his throat.

729
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: For years they were like, no, he shot himself in

730
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: suicide because he couldn't be killed, but he had to,

731
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: you know, he knew he was gonna die, And like

732
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: the forensics are just like his fucking throat was slashed. Like,

733
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: he's not a hero, He's just a fucking piece of

734
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: shit who wasn't very smart, who got himself fucking murdered.

735
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: He really got mad when he saw some butts. Yeah,

736
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: and did not at all think perhaps I am being manipulated.

737
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. When in doubt, if a stranger is showing

738
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: you their butt, they're manipulating you.

739
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: They're trying to get some kind of reaction from you,

740
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: think hard about what that kind of reaction might be.

741
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, if you ever want to read a what

742
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: modern bias looks like. Read the Wikipedia account about the

743
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: Fetterman Fight, because it was clearly written by someone who

744
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: sees the US Army as heroes. And it blows my

745
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: mind that in the year of Our Lord twenty twenty three,

746
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: there are people who think that the white Americans were

747
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: justified in like fucking anything they did during the founding

748
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: of this nation.

749
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a I I guess I always like think

750
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: that I'm like walking around surrounded by people who don't

751
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: think like the directors of nineteen fifties Westerns. Yeah, but

752
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: I guess I guess that's who's around me, or at

753
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: least that's who's editing Wikipedia.

754
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: Well. And the justification is that a lot of this

755
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: is happening on Crow Territory where the rather than Lakota Territory.

756
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: But I'm like, people are resisting colonization. A bunch of

757
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: different indigenous nations are coming together resist colonization and destroy

758
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: people who are don't see them as human.

759
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if the justification involves the fact that this

760
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: is on Crow Territory, I'm going to need that justification

761
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: to be supported by a detailed account of how the

762
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 3: US Army treated the Crow. Yeah, and I'm gonna guess

763
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: that that doesn't support that justification.

764
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: Well, during a lot of this the Crow are the

765
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: allies of the US government, Okay, but because of But

766
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: I actually I only know about specific Crow scouts. I

767
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: actually don't know larger and I'm really not trying to

768
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 2: paint you know, entire groups of people with brushes.

769
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: In this sure, And I mean I'm just saying, like, yeah,

770
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: in the long term, painting the United States is just

771
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: at with thet the best interests of the Crow at heart.

772
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Sounds pretty suspect to me. Absolutely. Anyhow, Red Clouds War,

773
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: which Red Cloud wasn't in charge of, just was one

774
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: of the people in charge of. A ton of badass

775
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: motherfuckers are up in this, like Crazy Horse, a guy

776
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: named Spotted Tail American Horse. But several of these badass

777
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: motherfuckers later become sellout motherfuckers by most accounts. Unfortunately, it's

778
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: complicated everywhere, always shortly thereafter during the midst of this war.

779
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: That the Feederman fight doesn't end that war, right, but

780
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: it is the greatest loss in the Indian Wars in

781
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: US history up to that point. But don't worry.

782
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: Rarely can you end a war by killing eighty one

783
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: extremely dumb motherfuckers. Yeah, even as as satisfying as it

784
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: may be.

785
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, one, don't worry, Lakota warriors and some other folks

786
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 2: are going to kill an even greater number of US soldiers.

787
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: Fantastic the reasonably near future. But also they're gonna win

788
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: this war spoiler. Shortly thereafter, the soldiers get given breech

789
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: loaders instead of muzzle loaders, and this does fuck up

790
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: the tactics of the indigenous folks because one of their

791
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: main tactics is to run before they can reload, so

792
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: you only have to suffer one volley, right, And with

793
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: breech loaders, they're shooting too fast, and so there are

794
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: two different attacks on forts and both these attacks fail.

795
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: So the indigenous nations go back to doing what they're

796
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: best at, which is guerrilla attacks. And the US realized

797
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: they calculated it would take them twenty thousand soldiers to

798
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: put down this group of indigenous more than eighty yeah,

799
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more in eighty. So the US sued

800
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: for peace. They were like, we can't do that, we

801
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: give up, and Red Cloud was like, I'm not going

802
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: to fucking meet you unless you give up all unless

803
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: you abandon these three forts. So the US abandoned those forts.

804
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: Nice, that's like the concession before he'll even come to

805
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: the table.

806
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Yep, before all you come to the table. So then

807
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: again before they come to the table, the warriors went

808
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: and burned those forts to the fucking ground. Fuck yeah

809
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: h And this part is important to our story. The

810
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: US government sued for peace in eighteen sixty eight in

811
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: the Treaty of eighteen sixty eight. They're really original namers,

812
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: the kind of people come up with Fetterman Fight and

813
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: Red Cloud War. Are going to call it the Treaty

814
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: of eighteen sixty eight. Sometimes this is called the Treaty

815
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: of Fort Laramie because it was signed at Fort Laramie.

816
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: That's what they called it on the TV show Deadwood,

817
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: where it which is okay, where most of what I

818
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: know about the Black Hills unfortunately comes.

819
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: From I didn't watch that, and sometimes I actually try

820
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: to watch this stuff. That's like, here's what mostly people

821
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: say about the following thing. You know. On November sixth,

822
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty eight, Red Cloud signed this treaty, and it

823
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: guaranteed indigenous groups quote, absolute and undisputed use of the

824
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: Great Sioux Reservation. No persons shall ever be permitted to pass, over, settle, upon,

825
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: or reside in territory described in this article or without

826
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: consent of the inn passed through the same. No treaty

827
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: for the secession of any portion or part of the

828
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: reservation herein described shall be of any validity or force

829
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: unless executed and signed by at least three fourths of

830
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: the adult male Indians occupying or interested in the same.

831
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: So it's a very clear treaty. It is a this

832
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: is yours, it's yours now.

833
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unambiguous, really specific and clear. It would be

834
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: very obvious if somebody were to break the terms of

835
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: that treaty.

836
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately it's stayed intact ever since. And that's the

837
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: four parter good thing.

838
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: The US keeps its promises.

839
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Huh, which actually gets into some of this interesting I'll

840
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: probably end up talking about more this more next week.

841
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: But obviously I'm buying large using you know, I'm referring

842
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: to people as indigenous people rather than like Indians for example,

843
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: right obviously, except when I'm quoting things, there are arguments.

844
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: It's the American Indian movement aim which will be a

845
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: major subject of next week. There are arguments that people

846
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: made at various points where they're like, you know what,

847
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: I actually prefer that word. And one of the reasons

848
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: that sometimes people preferred that word again, I'm talking about

849
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies, I'm not trying to make

850
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: an argument for it now, was specifically around a lot

851
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: of their fights were around the legal ees of these

852
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: various documents, and they were like, we need to make

853
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: it clear that we are the group of people who

854
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: sign this document, right.

855
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: Are we are who were supposedly granted these right, these

856
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 3: concessions and these rights.

857
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: Right? But that is you know, I don't have a

858
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: I have no interest in having an opinion on that.

859
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: It does not matter.

860
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: You know.

861
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Whatever folks decide to go with, that's what I'm going with,

862
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: and buy and large and you know, in the United States,

863
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: I tend to use indigenous peoples and then like a

864
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: lot of people in Canada use First Nations peoples and

865
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: you know whatever. So the indigenous people who sign this

866
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: this treaty all supposed to be given clothes, food, education,

867
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: a sawmill and a gristmill, a warehouse, a doctor, an

868
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: instruction in white man's agriculture, and technology. His last part

869
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: is a is part of the US policy to like

870
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: civilize the indigenous people, right, right, but the forest assimilation right.

871
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: In exchange, the Lakota agree to withdraw opposition to the

872
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: construction of the railroad and other roads elsewhere, you know,

873
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: and wouldn't lead raids out from their territories against settlers.

874
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: And this treaty snuck in just under the wire. By

875
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy one, the US passed a rider to a

876
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: bill that said, quote hereafter, no Indian nation or tribe

877
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: within the United States shall be acknowledged or recognized as

878
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: an independent nation, tribe, or power with whom the United

879
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: States may contract by treaty. This was when they were like, no,

880
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: you are all fucking ours, right, you know, we do

881
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: not respect anyone else to have any I don't like

882
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: government very.

883
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: Much, so well, yeah, it's bad. I mean, just I

884
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 3: think based on the conversation we've been having for the

885
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: last hour, so I think I'm ready to say the

886
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 3: government is bad.

887
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the America government is not actually overall a force

888
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: for good. I hate to you know, people don't get

889
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: real mad about that now whatever. So Red Cloud he

890
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: signs this, but he and some of the other folks.

891
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: They're kind of defeated after this. They like he goes

892
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: east in eighteen seventy and he just sees how many

893
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: fucking white people there are and he's like, oh, fuck,

894
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: we're fucked, Like we can't And he never again goes

895
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: back to war, and he mostly starts playing ball with

896
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: the invaders, although he's still got some good moments of

897
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: resistance in him. And it's complicated. I'm not trying to

898
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: be like, well, whatever, I can't sit my fucking answers.

899
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: Is just did this shit. They were the other side

900
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: of this, so whatever, you know. Meanwhile, the guy in

901
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: charge of the reservation system, as best as I can tell,

902
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: this guy named Francis Walker, and he said that the

903
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: goal of the reservation system was to reduce quote the

904
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: wild beasts to the condition of supplicants for charity Jesus.

905
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 2: Not even about assimilation. It is about making them no

906
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: longer have agency. Yeah, so the Lakota and other flow,

907
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: I just.

908
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I again, I really thought that, like, oh, well,

909
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: I know this stuff. I know how horrible this was.

910
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: But like occasionally somebody will just like say something not

911
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: even occasionally seems like constantly. You know, people will just

912
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: fucking say things like.

913
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: That, yeah yeah, and people in power will say things

914
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: like that.

915
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right. That's the thing. This wasn't like some crank

916
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: who's like, I don't think that we should treat people well,

917
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: this is like the guy who's in charge of the

918
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: reservation system, Jesus.

919
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: As best as I can tell, I like spent a

920
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: while trying to figure out I read the quote and

921
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: then try to infer from context and then try to

922
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: like google around it a lot because the quote is

923
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: so affecting, but it wasn't entirely clear. That was my

924
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: best guess as the person's job who said it. But

925
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: still they've got this treaty of eighteen sixty eight, and

926
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: the Lakota and other folks are like sort of sat

927
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: for you know, they're like, Okay, we have the reservation,

928
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: we have sovereignty, and we've got the Black Hills. You know,

929
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: this is very important to us. But Miriam, do you

930
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: ever think about, like what if white people wanted the hills?

931
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean white people usually get what they want, right,

932
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: that's how that goes. Huh.

933
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, well, why can't we have the hills?

934
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: Even though we just signed this treaty because we lost

935
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: a war.

936
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: Even though, yeah, even though we literally just said you

937
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: can have that and we won't try to take it.

938
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: Right. So, six years later, like not a generation later,

939
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: not half a generation later, six years later, enter onto

940
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: stage Colonel George Custer.

941
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: Well, I am excited for how this ends, but I'm

942
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: not excited for what's gonna happen.

943
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: First, Oh, yeah, he's a dick. In eighteen seventy four,

944
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: he leads an expedition into the sovereign territory of the

945
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 2: Lakota to confirm rumors that there's gold, and he's like, Yep,

946
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: there's gold. George Custer is such a piece of shit

947
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: that a superior officer once said about him. The year prior,

948
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy three, a superior officer said about him that

949
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: he was quote a cold blooded, untruthful, and unprincipled man,

950
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 2: universally despised by all the officers of his regiment. Okay,

951
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: so why is he, like, why is he allowed to

952
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: be in.

953
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: Charge of anything?

954
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: I argue, baby, I just I mean, I I that.

955
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 3: Like ninety percent of the people that you've like, of

956
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: like the genocidal white people, you've talked about so far,

957
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: there's like somebody standing right behind them going like, we

958
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: all hate this piece of shit, and it's like the

959
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: stop giving him guns and people.

960
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: To command, totally, totally, and we're going to talk about Oh,

961
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: we'll get to it.

962
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

963
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: George Custer, you will be shocked to know is a

964
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: huge proponent of the indigenous people aren't human theory, and

965
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: he was the He was the kind of guy who

966
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: would say shit like I don't know what the Prime

967
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: Minister of Israel says about Palestinian people in the Lard

968
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, not that anyone would draw historical parallels.

969
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: I thought we agreed that history doesn't repeat or rhyme

970
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: or or do any of those things that it does.

971
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: No, totally not. So miners everywhere are like, we need

972
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: to get the fuck into those hills, like there's gold there.

973
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: I have a god given right to steal all of

974
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: the gold and kill everyone who's between me and it,

975
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, and only logical. Yeah, and this is actually

976
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: one of the's only interesting to me.

977
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

978
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: It's like the first time that settlement happened in the

979
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: eastern direction, like because it was like people who had

980
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: gone gold rushing out west, were like, oh, there's gold

981
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: in the middle of the country too. They like swung

982
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: back into the middle of the country.

983
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: Ah, that is interesting, Yeah, that is interesting. Don't undersell

984
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: your interesting facts.

985
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So miners started gathering in towns like wagons or

986
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: getting people are like lining up right and ready to pillage.

987
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: But the US had at the moment, the US had

988
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: troops stationed to keep them out of the hills in

989
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: order to keep them honoring the treaty. And the US

990
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: was like, well, we should settle this properly. We should

991
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: buy all the land. And so they offered five million dollars,

992
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: which is one hundred and forty million dollars in today's money,

993
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: and the indigenous folk were like fuck no. Sitting bowl

994
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: of the hunk, Papa Lakota said, quote, we want to

995
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: know white men here. The Black hills belong to me.

996
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: If the whites tried to take them, I will fight.

997
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: And he said he would not sell even a pinch

998
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: of dust to the Americans.

999
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: Good call.

1000
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy horse who if I ever like go revisit this,

1001
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm just going to a solid crazy horse thing, because

1002
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: he seems really interesting as a person. He was a

1003
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: really quiet reserved guy. Yeah, totally, and so so Crazy

1004
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: Horse was just a quiet reserved guy who like wouldn't

1005
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: sing and dance, like wouldn't participate in all the stuff.

1006
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: He was always really nice to everyone, but it was

1007
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: just a little bit withdrawn, you know. It's fucking cool.

1008
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 2: I really like him. He and so he's generally pretty quiet.

1009
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: But he said about this quote, one does not sell

1010
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: the land on which the people walk, and the resistant

1011
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: chiefs promised that any chief who sold the Black Hills

1012
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: would be killed. So Red Red Cloud and Spotted Tail

1013
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: are like they're thinking about it. They're like, oh, no,

1014
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: maybe you know. And then they were like, oh, we

1015
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: don't want to sell it.

1016
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 3: We've just been given a pressing counteroffer.

1017
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, wherein we don't get murdered. Yeah, And it's like

1018
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: hard to say exactly my money based on everything else

1019
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: I read is that like Red Cloud was a little

1020
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: bit more on the level and Spotted Tail was a

1021
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: little bit less on the level at this point, but well,

1022
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: we'll get more into their stuff. So Red Cloud and

1023
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: Spotted Tail are like, now we're not fucking signing. And

1024
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Crazy Horse had another really good quote. I'm just going

1025
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: to stick in here because I like it. Quote, we

1026
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: did not ask you white men to come here. The

1027
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: Great Spirit gave us this country as a home you

1028
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: had yours. We did not interfere with you. The Great

1029
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Spirit gave us plenty of land to live on the

1030
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: and buffalo deer and antelope and other game. But you

1031
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: have come here. You are taking my land from me.

1032
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: You are killing off our game. So it is hard

1033
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: for us to live. Now. You tell us to work

1034
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: for a living, but the Great Spirit did not make

1035
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: us to work, but to live by hunting. You white

1036
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: men can work if you want to. We do not

1037
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: interfere with you. And again you say, why do you

1038
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: not become civilized? We do not want your civilization. We

1039
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: would live as our fathers did and their fathers before them.

1040
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, yeah, no fucking notes. So the indigenous people

1041
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't sell. President Grant was like, fine, I'll withdraw all

1042
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: my troops that are protecting you from settlers and I'll

1043
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: let the settlers do the work. And then he got

1044
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: ready to wage a war because he had to go

1045
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: protect those settlers too.

1046
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1047
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: As for how that went, we'll talk about it on Wednesday.

1048
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, it does not go well for Custer personally.

1049
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: That was such a cool quote you read a second ago, though,

1050
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: like I want to go Yeah, I want to go

1051
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: back to it because it was really fucking cool. Will

1052
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: you read it again, like it just resonates.

1053
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy horse quote. We did not I'd

1054
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: ask you white men to come here. The Great Spirit

1055
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: gave us this country as a home. You had yours.

1056
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: We did not interfere with you. The Great Spirit gave

1057
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: us plenty of land to live on in buffalo, deer, antelope,

1058
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: and other game. But you have come here. You are

1059
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: taking my land from me. You are killing off our game.

1060
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: So it is hard for us to live now. You

1061
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 2: tell us to work for a living, but the Great

1062
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: Spirit did not make us to work, but to live

1063
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: by hunting. You white men can work if you want to.

1064
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: We do not interfere with you. And again you say,

1065
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: why do you not become civilized? We do not want

1066
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: your civilization. We would live as our fathers did and

1067
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: their fathers before them.

1068
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: Ouck.

1069
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's really powerful. Thanks for reading it again. Yeah,

1070
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: can't wait for Wednesday, can't wait for Custard to die.

1071
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna die so dead, he's.

1072
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: Gonna be super dead.

1073
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: There's three wounds and they're not sure which one killed him.

1074
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: Not to call back to the Pirate episode, but like whimp.

1075
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: Blackfagard had like twenty yeah, totally.

1076
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: Oh it's so funny.

1077
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: Well that's then the part one of a four parter

1078
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: because we have so much more to talk about. But first, Miriam,

1079
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: I think you want to talk.

1080
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: About Yeah, if I said anything that was incorrect or

1081
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: you'd disagree with I'm not on Twitter, so talk to

1082
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 3: Margaret about it.

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Speaker 2: So ha ha ha ha.

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Speaker 3: But maybe if you are a person who has some

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Speaker 3: money of any amount, you could go to Medical Aid

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Speaker 3: for Palestinians at m AP dot org dot uk and

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Speaker 3: give them some money. Maybe you did that already at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of the bombing of Gaza, and maybe you

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Speaker 3: should do it again. If you did it already, and

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Speaker 3: if you haven't done it at all, maybe you should

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what I would plug to. And then

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Speaker 2: also to say that just read more about how colonization

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Speaker 2: happens here in the US and how it's an ongoing

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Speaker 2: project and how it's not over. And then like the

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Speaker 2: thing that I keep pointing out because it sits in

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Speaker 2: my head. It's my Roman Empire. It's the thing I

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Speaker 2: think of every once so fucking week, is that, in

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Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, the United States has not

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Speaker 2: actually been a colonized territory for all of that long.

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Speaker 2: It's been a very long time, and it's been a

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Speaker 2: very horrible time, full of awful atrocities. But it's not over.

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Speaker 2: Like there are many places where colonization lasted longer and

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Speaker 2: then ended. You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to to paraphrase Ursula Legwyn, we live under settler colonialism.

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Speaker 3: Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings.

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Speaker 3: All human power can be undone by human hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so have you guy, anything you want plug just

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Speaker 2: it could happen here? Yeah, oh, specifically on it could

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Speaker 2: happen here. There's a really good episode that Mia did

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Speaker 2: about settler colonialism and what it looks like that I

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Speaker 2: actually listened to while writing this episode, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's it's worth going back. Oh, I don't remember the title.

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Speaker 2: It'll be from right around the week of November, like

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Speaker 2: third or fourth or something like that, and it's really

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Speaker 2: worth listening to. It talks a lot about is.

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Speaker 1: It the cheapest land is bought?

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Speaker 3: In Blood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go listen to up.

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Speaker 3: It's a two part to listen to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I highly recommend that too.

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Speaker 2: Murder as well from Martin all Right, see you all Wednesday.

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