WEBVTT - You're Wrong, Friend: Is Rogue One Overrated? 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.520 In anticipation of and Or season two. Today we have 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.440 a very special episode of Your Wrong Friend, with a 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 debate of whether or not Rogue one is a good movie. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.520 Is this blasphemy? My personal opinion is yes, I think 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.080 Rogue one is fantastic. I'm a Rogue one fan, as 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.720 you know. But guess what, it doesn't matter because our 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.360 judge is Jason and he will be making the ruling 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 at the end of this episode. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:25.200 Warning. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:30.400 Today's episode contains spoilers for Rogue one, a Star Wars story. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.240 I was about to say it is a good movie, 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.240 but I can't say that right now. It's a movie 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.280 that you should be aware of, and if you have 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.680 not seen it, then go watch it, baby, and then 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.880 come back to this particular debate. Hello, what it is jaconcepting? 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.440 You gotta Welcome back to the next Ray Vision, the 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.440 podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comments, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:53.320 and pop culture. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:54.600 Coming from my our podcast. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.800 We're bringing you three three three three episodes a week 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.120 every Tuesday Thursday, with that strap episode every Wednesday. Today, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.240 today we have a special episode of Your Wrong Friend, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.400 the episode in which we hold up our sacred opinions 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.520 to attack and debate to decide what pop culture thing 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.520 someone is wrong about. In today's episode, this wrote one good. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.800 Speaking for the defense, we have Star Wars Ultravan Joel 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.800 and speaking for the prosecution, our super producer Aaron sitting 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.240 in judgment, always unbiased, always above the fray will be 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:41.160 producer and Spice smeister Aboo and myself. This is your 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.360 wrong friend, Prosecution, Defense, introduce yourselves. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.960 Uh Hi, I'm Jelmenique. I am a Star Wars super 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.400 fan and a lover of rogue. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:51.560 One. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.760 Yay women, y a K two s O. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:02:02.200 I have many thoughts. Yay women. Absolutely strike that. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:11.920 Oh my god, record, I didn't realize this movie had 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.480 any strong women characters. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.320 Sorry, Strike, We're. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.320 Gonna battle, strike, strike, strike all of this. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:25.960 Hold on there. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.480 I want to warn our contestants today, no lobbying in 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:37.680 the introductions. Okay, clean, fight break. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.480 My name's Aaron wan Kaufman. I'm one of the producers 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.679 along with Joel and a Boo, and I am a 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.799 Star Wars super fan, but I also am okay. One 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.280 of my favorite things about, for instance, an album of 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.760 music is that I can love the album and not 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.160 have to like some of the songs. On the album. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.519 Okay, here's how it works, folks. Each person will have 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:08.440 four minutes that's four standard minutes of sixty seconds each 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:14.359 to argue their opening points, after which our panel A 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:21.680 Boo and myself aboo say hi Hi. We'll ask two questions. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.160 Each side will have one minute per question to respond. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.040 After that, we go to the closing statements, in which 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.560 the prosecution and defense will make a one minute statement 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.000 about why their opinion should hold sway. And then it 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.160 will go to the judges A Boo and myself sitting 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:51.000 above the clouds, high in judgment without any biases, high 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:57.280 and mighty, no biases, completely balanced and fair, will adjudicate 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:04.680 and announce our verdict. Are we ready, folks? How do 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.720 we feeling? Were ready to get into it? 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:07.640 Feel great? 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.440 Yes, Let's begin with the opening statements, Joel, the floor 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.279 is yours. We're ready to answer one question. Is Rogue 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.080 one a good movie? And I say it's a classic 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.080 Star Wars film. I positive that it is the only 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.160 classic Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi because 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.320 it's the only movie that embodies the filmmaking ideals of 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.400 the original trilogy, and it somehow does as while improving 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.920 upon the original series and significantly expanding the Star Wars universe. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.560 We can see respect to the originals in three spaces. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.320 The first to our scale and score. How does episode 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.599 four open with that giant star destroyer, that devastrator dominating 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.839 the screen, making the audience feel overwhelmed by its sheer size. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.480 This is vital for two reasons. One because it's an 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.320 opening home run for industrial light and magic, arguably the 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.120 singular element that makes episodes four through six classics, and 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.400 two because it gives size to the galaxy. And one 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.640 we get that star destroyer to dustar shot, and then 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.800 the dust Star literally eclipses a planet son That's amazing. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.760 Then we get homage to Michael Giaccino's score, which generously 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.920 uses lay motifs from John William's Originals score, arguably the 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.240 other element that makes four through six classics to great effect. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.640 When the rebellion theme plays, as the soldiers agree to 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.240 follow jin, you're genuinely moved. The third homage comes from 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.559 Whites and Gilroy's scripting. These methods that originally inspired George 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.920 Lucas I'm mostly talking about Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey are 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.480 one maps his character archetypes over ordinary people. In way, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.480 we have a mentor who throughout the story tells each 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.680 character that he has faith in them, and we watch 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.080 that spark of belief ignite them to powerful change. Donny 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.640 YenS Mway is an embodiment of the Force, not as 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.640 a warrior or even as an expert wielder, but as 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.720 a believer, and we see what the Force means, not 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.160 to the Sith or Jedi, but how it kinetically connects 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.000 all life. A major franchise tenant now explored beyond power 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.000 wielding gods, to watch mere mortals tap into the Force 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.760 to bolster their inner confidence is damn inspiring. Campbell's influence 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.240 continues with Diego lunas Cassian and Or the Shape Shifter, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.440 a man so jaded he shoots a terrified informant in 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.200 the back to get a clean getaway, but by the 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.760 end of this film, he's put his faith in a 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.280 woman he barely knows and leaves his light down just 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.040 to give the rebellion a chance to make the right 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.680 strategic move. And K two s So played by Tuttick, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.360 would get the Trickster my favorite droid since Chopper, and 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.560 I'm sorry but he's better, buddy, is trying to get 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.400 you killed or annoying, and you can understand what he's saying. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.480 A perfect blend of what we love about C. Three 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.239 PO and R two D two with out the elements 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.359 that we don't. But it's the bolstering of the ultimate 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.880 shadow character Vader with that modern day hallway scene to 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.760 cap off the film that pushes the film above and 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.440 beyond his sheer size, his speed, but most importantly the 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.799 absolute terror he strikes in the rebels on the bridge. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.960 This Vader, notoriously horrifying though he is, is at his 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.040 most horrific in the hall scene. Rogwan improves a new 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.400 Hope by highlighting both the intense sacrifice that went into 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.560 delivering the Death Star cinematics and also centering the ways 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.720 in which the Empire destroys the lies of citizens, from 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.320 enslaving its workers to crushing individuality or droids, to its 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.440 most sinister act, destroying the very idea of hope. Ultimately, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.680 this is a story of how hope was rediscovered, not 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.800 by princess or a chosen teenager or a legendary scoundrel, 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.240 but by the ordinary people. There are steaks here. They 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.760 all die. It makes that sacrifice matter. It makes all 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.160 of that. But so four means something. Every in near 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.480 failure is more heart stopping because look who we lost 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.960 to get here, and that story was so impactful it's 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.200 spawn off into a prequel that it's critically considered to 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.840 be the greatest Star Wars television property. I am, of 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.720 course talking about and Or, which might be one of 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.040 the most important TV series in the past ten years period. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.600 I'm sorry, but your wrong friend. Rogue one, a Star 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.240 Wars story, is a classic. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.440 Oh my god, I. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:34.800 Did it. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.360 With thirty seconds to spare, with thirty seconds to spare. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.080 Wonderful, Aaron a boot give me that two minute and 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.040 give me the one minute. I did not pre write 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.480 anything the way Joel did, so. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:55.400 I actually strike strike Wow, you're going. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.480 Warn, trying to garner this garner sympathy of. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.720 The journey by stating that no stop speakings of my 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.560 heart right now, not like my intellectual competition war. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.840 Are you we will shrike? 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:16.640 Aaron? Are you ready? 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:17.360 I'm ready? 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.000 Begin friends. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.560 Joelle is here arguing that Rogue one is a good 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.240 Star Wars movie, to which I only have one thing 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:31.000 to say, lies deceptions, more lies. This is a movie 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.800 based around the main character, Jin, who has given zero personality. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.640 In the first three scenes we get of Gin, we 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.760 have no dialogue other than her saying Mama, which is 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.880 just her calling out to her mother. Every character in 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.680 those opening scenes is given more character development in each 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.400 of those scenes than Jin is. We learn more about 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.760 K two s O as he catches her than we 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.599 do about her as she tries to escape from the 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.439 prison transport. Which also the second scene is her in 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.160 a jail set with someone sleeping. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:02.880 What did we gain from that? 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.160 Nothing? Also, that seems three seconds long because this movie 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.199 jumps around from scene to scene so quickly. In the 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.120 first half hour, Jin has been raised by Saw. She 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.240 was left in a bunker with a knife and a blaster. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.600 She misses her dad. She never mentions her mom again, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.200 even though her mom has died. But where's the character 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.640 background and development to her besides the fact that she 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.160 was in jail? And then the other characters. Riz Ahmed 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:34.839 an amazing, amazing actor. His character traits are he's he's 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.080 a pilot anyways, Donnie Yen. He he's a great actor 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.560 and his character traits are he's he's a quippie, blind guy. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.040 I guess, okay, we'll move on. We really don't get 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.360 much character development in here. We just get drastic changes 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.520 to the characters when the plot needs us to move 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.160 along in some way. Jin doesn't care about anything. She 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.719 goes in front of the rebels and she's like, this 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.719 isn't my fight. I'll get you to saw and that's it. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.280 She watches one hologram with her dad, which she just said, oh, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.080 I'm trying to forget him. It's easier to just assume 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.480 he's dead. And then all of a sudden she's out there, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.640 even more liberal than the rebels, saying this is all 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.719 of our fight. We all have to be here, and 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.319 then she's inspiring everyone with her wares. The only people 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.000 in this film that we care about truly are Donnie 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.880 Yen and his boyfriend, and they their motivations are entirely suspect. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.679 At one point, Donnie Yen brings up kyber crystals to 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.160 Gin and then all of a sudden they join up. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.160 It's the most like video game on rails, like the 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.600 Allies are joining your recruitment story. We have no there's 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.360 no reason for Donnie En and his boyfriend to join up, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.760 but they do anyways. Also, this is not a good 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.080 Star Wars movie because Forrest Whitaker is confused and thinks 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.839 he's in another movie entirely. He thinks he's I don't know, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.079 Jared Leto in Suicide Squad. Maybe he's Pacino Incentive, a 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.199 woman I don't know, but he's not in a Star 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:56.840 Wars movie. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.000 Here. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.480 Also, the dialogue, I did some of it with the 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:06.760 lies deceptions. The dialogue in this is horrible, Like, okay, 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.400 you saw, says to Jin, you'd see the Imperial flag 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.599 rain above the galaxy and Jin's response is it's not 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.120 a problem if you don't look up. What kind of 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.640 dialogue is that? And then later on Darth Vader, who 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.160 gets maybe like the two minutes of the greatest screen 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.920 time ever. He looks great and he chokes Ben Mendelssohn 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.479 and he says, be careful not to choke on your aspirations. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:30.920 Director. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.080 We get it. We don't need, we don't need Darth 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:39.480 Vader making Spider Man jokes in this. Finally, finally bays 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.240 Donnieen's boyfriend calls Jin little sister at one point as 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.880 they get ready to leave. He has not exchanged any 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.240 dialogue with her. In the movie up until that point, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.600 and suddenly they're calling him, calling her little sister. Also, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.400 there's the background actors. At one point they highlight one 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.040 background actor saying just listen to her what she proposing, 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.439 and then someone else else for Jetta. This is like 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.400 a middle school play level dialogue. This movie has no 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.640 character development, and the dialogue is bad. And Forrest Whitaker 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.599 thinks he's somewhere else. That's why this is not a 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:12.440 good Star Wars movie. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.439 And with that our opening statements have culminated. We will 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.160 now go to an ad break in which all of 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.439 us judges the audience, everyone will digest. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:37.520 What we've just heard, and then we'll come back and 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.280 we're back A boo or. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.920 Are you ready for the questions section? I am Joelle. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.920 Since you began, we'll start with your questions, aw boo. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.800 Would you like to start? 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:51.320 Of course? 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:57.480 Okay, Joelle. I would love for you to directly address 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:03.040 Errand's claim that the characters in this film lack death 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.959 and are nothing more than character archetypes. What would you 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:06.319 say to that? 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.679 As I explained to my opening statement, archetypes are the 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.800 keys to Star Wars. They are the absolute core element 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.880 that follows Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey that uses archetypes to 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.079 tell stories. So you're kind of proving by point that 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.240 it is more of a classic film with these kind 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:26.199 of archetypes on the idea that they're vast and empty. Okay, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.920 let's vegan. Why do you hate children? Okay? 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.200 She is a survivor of a horrible trauma, all right. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.599 The whole goal is to get the crew together. She 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.560 has this big emotional change after seeing her father because 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.800 it was easier to believe that he was dead when 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.679 she didn't know. Now that she has some hope a 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.719 key element of Star Wars, it changes her around to 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.480 being a true rebel. And because she knows her father 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.160 has died for a very specific cause, he lived his 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.760 whole life a lie so that they could have one 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.760 chance to end the empire, as she has one goal 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.280 to make her father's life not a waste. That is 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.679 beautiful And it's okay to be a quiet interior. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.640 Person like jin Is. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.120 You know, we're not all chea root. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.880 Out here being we're at time allowed with our thoughts 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.360 and our feelings time. Next up, I will ask the 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:21.360 question of eron Aaron, what Star Wars film, classic or otherwise. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.520 This is a question about your assertion that the writing 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.880 of Rogue One is bad, the dialogue is substandard. What's 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.720 the Star Wars movie with that crackling dialogue that you're 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.760 referencing that we're that we're missing here, that star that 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.080 Rogue one is not living up to. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.200 I don't know if there's a Star Wars movie that 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.360 I think has incredible dialogue, but I do think that 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.280 none of the other films that I think of as 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.760 being good films, in particular one or four or five six, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:55.080 you have a sense of scale and things mattering, and 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.560 to me throughout Rogue One, I just I truly did 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.440 not care about the characters other than Donnie Yen, and 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.280 I think part of that reason is I felt like 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.240 these characters felt a little too one sided and one note, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.560 I'm totally okay with, you know, some of the dialogue 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.840 being weak in all of them, but I felt like 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.000 the dialogue in all of this was weak, and so 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.000 I didn't care about the characters. I didn't believe their dialogue, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:27.120 and for those reasons, the poor dialogue stood out to 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.200 me more here. I don't usually watch a Star Wars 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.280 or TV show and write down quotes that I think 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.840 are bad and then write uugh afterwards. I did that 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.400 multiple times in this movie. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.800 Time quick protocol. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:43.200 Note we are going snake draft on the question segment, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:48.040 so Erin will receive a second question now from judjoboom 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:48.760 ah boom. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.240 Okay Erin, I would love to know your thoughts on 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.160 quite possibly one of the most iconic scenes in all 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.240 of Star Wars that we got in this film, the 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.320 Vader entrance. Did the Vader entrance work for you? Were 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.520 there Star Wars moments in this movie that worked for you? 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:10.320 And it? 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.560 Is it a strength or a weakness of this film 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.920 that it really understands that it is a story within 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.760 a larger tapestry of Star Wars, and it does it's 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.560 best to fit within that tapestry. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.040 I agree that the Vader scene is two of the 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.480 best minutes in all of Star Wars. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.200 I loved it. It's like a horror movie. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.760 Vader finally shows his power in such an incredible way 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.560 that I think it was frankly lacking in the original trilogy. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.240 I love those two minutes. They are incredible. The opening 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.920 of the original Watchman movie is good. That doesn't make 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.200 that movie good. In fact, I think that movie is 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.280 very bad just because a small part of something is 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.120 good doesn't meet the rest of it is good. And 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.520 along those lines there are some quintessential Star Wars things here. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.480 I do think this movie tries way too hard to 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.400 say we're not a typical Star Wars movie. But hey, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.960 we got to make sure we mentioned kyber crystals, and hey, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.360 look at all these cgi people were bringing out back 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.560 for cameos. Did we really need Lea? Did we really 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.480 need Tarkan? Looking pretty rough throughout the entire thing, I 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.320 would argue, no, it knows that it's part of a 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.720 larger story, and I think it actually suffers because of that. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:22.880 Time. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.680 And now our final question for Joel Joelle, I'd like 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:33.400 you to speak to Aaron's criticism regarding the story. One 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.240 thing I noticed from your opening statement was it was, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:45.879 you know, long on film aesthetics and short on blood 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.400 and bone and the pumping heart that I think people 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.840 respond to when they go to a theater and want 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.840 to see a great story. So your response to Aaron's 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.080 assertion that the story is just not there. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.280 Okay, I think everyone knows. Tony Gilroy had to be 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.080 called in last week it to fix this. It was 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:03.920 a hot mess. They weren't sure how they were gonna 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.359 make it to the finish line. So, yes, we are 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.080 lighter on story. But if you've been following along on 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.760 our Eggers breakdown, you know I'm fine with the vibes. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.760 I feel like we got together a crew who could 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.639 make it work, and I think what's most important is 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.760 the dismantling of the empire as a negative force and 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.800 really exploring how that impacts the little people. It's the 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.800 larger scale things this does to tie into a larger tapestry, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.000 a storytelling that I think works really well. You can 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.320 pick a part that maybe there are places we could 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.359 have bolstered characters, made things connect more. But I'm totally 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.719 fine with a film that's like, how do we make 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.280 the dust Star more scary? I'm fine with a film 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.840 that's like, here's a small crew coming together to become family. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.720 And I think the small parts, usually these little one 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.960 shots where Tony was really focusing and honing in on 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.879 the dialogue, do enough to get this movie to a 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.159 passable grade of script. And then everybody else comes in 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.040 and totally kicks ass. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.960 That culminates are question and answer segment. We're going to 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.119 digest this, Abu and I I would insist that the 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:10.359 audience also digest the things that they've heard. We'll be 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:25.359 back for word from our sponsors, and we're back. Abu 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.160 and I are going to go into chambers and discuss 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:39.040 what we've heard. Abu, what do you think? What do 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:39.760 you what do you think? 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:41.480 Wow? 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:46.760 Jason, I am quite impressed by both the defense and 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:47.440 the prosecution. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:48.160 I am as well. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:54.200 I will say I came in pretty biased against Aaron 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.840 in this. I will I will admit my own biases 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.040 here for full transparency. I love Rogue One, but I 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.520 came in with an open mind, and oh I wanted 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:08.359 to hear Aaron out and I I think he moved 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.359 the needle quite a bit. I'll admit for me, What 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:11.840 about you? 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.440 Yeah, I mean I think this comes down to what 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.280 are we willing to forgive. I think that Aaron's not 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:24.000 wrong on the technical merits right, mm hmm. At the 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.280 same time, thing I was trying to get at with 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.399 the question about other Star Wars movies. You know that 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.480 Rogue One not clearing some kind of dialogue quality bar. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.720 You know, it's it's not exactly Shakespeare folks that we're 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.440 talking about when we talk about that, any of the 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.160 Star Wars movies, even the classic ones. So it's all 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:52.560 about what will we forgive and why? And I have 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.719 to admit I'm looking inside my soul as a person 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.520 who I'll admit it like and enjoy's Rogue One and 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:07.480 thinks it's good. I'm now looking inward and wondering what 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.840 is it about this highly imperfect movie. I think we 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.200 all can admit that it's a highly impurpose that we 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.000 respond to. And why why are we willing to either 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.240 accept its faults as part of a larger hole or 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.399 reject its faults and say, frankly, this movie isn't up 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:30.960 to stuff. It's an interesting it's an interesting question overall. Yeah, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:39.200 and I must admit I am currently experiencing significant emotional 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.000 and intellectual turmoil that I am barely keeping below the surface. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:43.760 Wow. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.560 Wow, I'm fucking freaking out. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:46.800 Man. 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:50.560 Do I like what I like? 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.720 And why do I know what I like? 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:59.280 Anymore? What if everything I've ever. 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.280 Liked is bad? 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:02.160 Is bad? 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:03.439 This is crazy. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.440 I'm horrified of having bad tastes, But also I know 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.320 I have bad tastes. Yeah, and that's a difficult dichotomy 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.520 to live in. I will say, when it comes to 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.600 Rogue one, I love your question of what are we 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.960 willing to forgive here? I think that's a question with 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.240