Speaker 1: In anticipation of and Or season two. Today we have
Speaker 1: a very special episode of Your Wrong Friend, with a
Speaker 1: debate of whether or not Rogue one is a good movie.
Speaker 1: Is this blasphemy? My personal opinion is yes, I think
Speaker 1: Rogue one is fantastic. I'm a Rogue one fan, as
Speaker 1: you know. But guess what, it doesn't matter because our
Speaker 1: judge is Jason and he will be making the ruling
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: Warning.
Speaker 3: Today's episode contains spoilers for Rogue one, a Star Wars story.
Speaker 3: I was about to say it is a good movie,
Speaker 3: but I can't say that right now. It's a movie
Speaker 3: that you should be aware of, and if you have
Speaker 3: not seen it, then go watch it, baby, and then
Speaker 3: come back to this particular debate. Hello, what it is jaconcepting?
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Speaker 3: to attack and debate to decide what pop culture thing
Speaker 3: someone is wrong about. In today's episode, this wrote one good.
Speaker 3: Speaking for the defense, we have Star Wars Ultravan Joel
Speaker 3: and speaking for the prosecution, our super producer Aaron sitting
Speaker 3: in judgment, always unbiased, always above the fray will be
Speaker 3: producer and Spice smeister Aboo and myself. This is your
Speaker 3: wrong friend, Prosecution, Defense, introduce yourselves.
Speaker 4: Uh Hi, I'm Jelmenique. I am a Star Wars super
Speaker 4: fan and a lover of rogue.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 4: Yay women, y a K two s O.
Speaker 2: I have many thoughts. Yay women. Absolutely strike that.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, record, I didn't realize this movie had
Speaker 5: any strong women characters.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Strike, We're.
Speaker 3: Gonna battle, strike, strike, strike all of this.
Speaker 2: Hold on there.
Speaker 3: I want to warn our contestants today, no lobbying in
Speaker 3: the introductions. Okay, clean, fight break.
Speaker 5: My name's Aaron wan Kaufman. I'm one of the producers
Speaker 5: along with Joel and a Boo, and I am a
Speaker 5: Star Wars super fan, but I also am okay. One
Speaker 5: of my favorite things about, for instance, an album of
Speaker 5: music is that I can love the album and not
Speaker 5: have to like some of the songs. On the album.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's how it works, folks. Each person will have
Speaker 3: four minutes that's four standard minutes of sixty seconds each
Speaker 3: to argue their opening points, after which our panel A
Speaker 3: Boo and myself aboo say hi Hi. We'll ask two questions.
Speaker 3: Each side will have one minute per question to respond.
Speaker 3: After that, we go to the closing statements, in which
Speaker 3: the prosecution and defense will make a one minute statement
Speaker 3: about why their opinion should hold sway. And then it
Speaker 3: will go to the judges A Boo and myself sitting
Speaker 3: above the clouds, high in judgment without any biases, high
Speaker 3: and mighty, no biases, completely balanced and fair, will adjudicate
Speaker 3: and announce our verdict. Are we ready, folks? How do
Speaker 3: we feeling? Were ready to get into it?
Speaker 4: Feel great?
Speaker 3: Yes, Let's begin with the opening statements, Joel, the floor
Speaker 3: is yours. We're ready to answer one question. Is Rogue
Speaker 3: one a good movie? And I say it's a classic
Speaker 3: Star Wars film. I positive that it is the only
Speaker 3: classic Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi because
Speaker 3: it's the only movie that embodies the filmmaking ideals of
Speaker 3: the original trilogy, and it somehow does as while improving
Speaker 3: upon the original series and significantly expanding the Star Wars universe.
Speaker 3: We can see respect to the originals in three spaces.
Speaker 3: The first to our scale and score. How does episode
Speaker 3: four open with that giant star destroyer, that devastrator dominating
Speaker 3: the screen, making the audience feel overwhelmed by its sheer size.
Speaker 4: This is vital for two reasons. One because it's an
Speaker 4: opening home run for industrial light and magic, arguably the
Speaker 4: singular element that makes episodes four through six classics, and
Speaker 4: two because it gives size to the galaxy. And one
Speaker 4: we get that star destroyer to dustar shot, and then
Speaker 4: the dust Star literally eclipses a planet son That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Then we get homage to Michael Giaccino's score, which generously
Speaker 4: uses lay motifs from John William's Originals score, arguably the
Speaker 4: other element that makes four through six classics to great effect.
Speaker 4: When the rebellion theme plays, as the soldiers agree to
Speaker 4: follow jin, you're genuinely moved. The third homage comes from
Speaker 4: Whites and Gilroy's scripting. These methods that originally inspired George
Speaker 4: Lucas I'm mostly talking about Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey are
Speaker 4: one maps his character archetypes over ordinary people. In way,
Speaker 4: we have a mentor who throughout the story tells each
Speaker 4: character that he has faith in them, and we watch
Speaker 4: that spark of belief ignite them to powerful change. Donny
Speaker 4: YenS Mway is an embodiment of the Force, not as
Speaker 4: a warrior or even as an expert wielder, but as
Speaker 4: a believer, and we see what the Force means, not
Speaker 4: to the Sith or Jedi, but how it kinetically connects
Speaker 4: all life. A major franchise tenant now explored beyond power
Speaker 4: wielding gods, to watch mere mortals tap into the Force
Speaker 4: to bolster their inner confidence is damn inspiring. Campbell's influence
Speaker 4: continues with Diego lunas Cassian and Or the Shape Shifter,
Speaker 4: a man so jaded he shoots a terrified informant in
Speaker 4: the back to get a clean getaway, but by the
Speaker 4: end of this film, he's put his faith in a
Speaker 4: woman he barely knows and leaves his light down just
Speaker 4: to give the rebellion a chance to make the right
Speaker 4: strategic move. And K two s So played by Tuttick,
Speaker 4: would get the Trickster my favorite droid since Chopper, and
Speaker 4: I'm sorry but he's better, buddy, is trying to get
Speaker 4: you killed or annoying, and you can understand what he's saying.
Speaker 4: A perfect blend of what we love about C. Three
Speaker 4: PO and R two D two with out the elements
Speaker 4: that we don't. But it's the bolstering of the ultimate
Speaker 4: shadow character Vader with that modern day hallway scene to
Speaker 4: cap off the film that pushes the film above and
Speaker 4: beyond his sheer size, his speed, but most importantly the
Speaker 4: absolute terror he strikes in the rebels on the bridge.
Speaker 4: This Vader, notoriously horrifying though he is, is at his
Speaker 4: most horrific in the hall scene. Rogwan improves a new
Speaker 4: Hope by highlighting both the intense sacrifice that went into
Speaker 4: delivering the Death Star cinematics and also centering the ways
Speaker 4: in which the Empire destroys the lies of citizens, from
Speaker 4: enslaving its workers to crushing individuality or droids, to its
Speaker 4: most sinister act, destroying the very idea of hope. Ultimately,
Speaker 4: this is a story of how hope was rediscovered, not
Speaker 4: by princess or a chosen teenager or a legendary scoundrel,
Speaker 4: but by the ordinary people. There are steaks here. They
Speaker 4: all die. It makes that sacrifice matter. It makes all
Speaker 4: of that. But so four means something. Every in near
Speaker 4: failure is more heart stopping because look who we lost
Speaker 4: to get here, and that story was so impactful it's
Speaker 4: spawn off into a prequel that it's critically considered to
Speaker 4: be the greatest Star Wars television property. I am, of
Speaker 4: course talking about and Or, which might be one of
Speaker 4: the most important TV series in the past ten years period.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but your wrong friend. Rogue one, a Star
Speaker 4: Wars story, is a classic.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I.
Speaker 1: Did it.
Speaker 6: With thirty seconds to spare, with thirty seconds to spare.
Speaker 5: Wonderful, Aaron a boot give me that two minute and
Speaker 5: give me the one minute. I did not pre write
Speaker 5: anything the way Joel did, so.
Speaker 2: I actually strike strike Wow, you're going.
Speaker 6: Warn, trying to garner this garner sympathy of.
Speaker 3: The journey by stating that no stop speakings of my
Speaker 3: heart right now, not like my intellectual competition war.
Speaker 2: Are you we will shrike?
Speaker 3: Aaron? Are you ready?
Speaker 5: I'm ready?
Speaker 2: Begin friends.
Speaker 5: Joelle is here arguing that Rogue one is a good
Speaker 5: Star Wars movie, to which I only have one thing
Speaker 5: to say, lies deceptions, more lies. This is a movie
Speaker 5: based around the main character, Jin, who has given zero personality.
Speaker 5: In the first three scenes we get of Gin, we
Speaker 5: have no dialogue other than her saying Mama, which is
Speaker 5: just her calling out to her mother. Every character in
Speaker 5: those opening scenes is given more character development in each
Speaker 5: of those scenes than Jin is. We learn more about
Speaker 5: K two s O as he catches her than we
Speaker 5: do about her as she tries to escape from the
Speaker 5: prison transport. Which also the second scene is her in
Speaker 5: a jail set with someone sleeping.
Speaker 2: What did we gain from that?
Speaker 5: Nothing? Also, that seems three seconds long because this movie
Speaker 5: jumps around from scene to scene so quickly. In the
Speaker 5: first half hour, Jin has been raised by Saw. She
Speaker 5: was left in a bunker with a knife and a blaster.
Speaker 5: She misses her dad. She never mentions her mom again,
Speaker 5: even though her mom has died. But where's the character
Speaker 5: background and development to her besides the fact that she
Speaker 5: was in jail? And then the other characters. Riz Ahmed
Speaker 5: an amazing, amazing actor. His character traits are he's he's
Speaker 5: a pilot anyways, Donnie Yen. He he's a great actor
Speaker 5: and his character traits are he's he's a quippie, blind guy.
Speaker 5: I guess, okay, we'll move on. We really don't get
Speaker 5: much character development in here. We just get drastic changes
Speaker 5: to the characters when the plot needs us to move
Speaker 5: along in some way. Jin doesn't care about anything. She
Speaker 5: goes in front of the rebels and she's like, this
Speaker 5: isn't my fight. I'll get you to saw and that's it.
Speaker 5: She watches one hologram with her dad, which she just said, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to forget him. It's easier to just assume
Speaker 5: he's dead. And then all of a sudden she's out there,
Speaker 5: even more liberal than the rebels, saying this is all
Speaker 5: of our fight. We all have to be here, and
Speaker 5: then she's inspiring everyone with her wares. The only people
Speaker 5: in this film that we care about truly are Donnie
Speaker 5: Yen and his boyfriend, and they their motivations are entirely suspect.
Speaker 5: At one point, Donnie Yen brings up kyber crystals to
Speaker 5: Gin and then all of a sudden they join up.
Speaker 5: It's the most like video game on rails, like the
Speaker 5: Allies are joining your recruitment story. We have no there's
Speaker 5: no reason for Donnie En and his boyfriend to join up,
Speaker 5: but they do anyways. Also, this is not a good
Speaker 5: Star Wars movie because Forrest Whitaker is confused and thinks
Speaker 5: he's in another movie entirely. He thinks he's I don't know,
Speaker 5: Jared Leto in Suicide Squad. Maybe he's Pacino Incentive, a
Speaker 5: woman I don't know, but he's not in a Star
Speaker 5: Wars movie.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 5: Also, the dialogue, I did some of it with the
Speaker 5: lies deceptions. The dialogue in this is horrible, Like, okay,
Speaker 5: you saw, says to Jin, you'd see the Imperial flag
Speaker 5: rain above the galaxy and Jin's response is it's not
Speaker 5: a problem if you don't look up. What kind of
Speaker 5: dialogue is that? And then later on Darth Vader, who
Speaker 5: gets maybe like the two minutes of the greatest screen
Speaker 5: time ever. He looks great and he chokes Ben Mendelssohn
Speaker 5: and he says, be careful not to choke on your aspirations.
Speaker 2: Director.
Speaker 5: We get it. We don't need, we don't need Darth
Speaker 5: Vader making Spider Man jokes in this. Finally, finally bays
Speaker 5: Donnieen's boyfriend calls Jin little sister at one point as
Speaker 5: they get ready to leave. He has not exchanged any
Speaker 5: dialogue with her. In the movie up until that point,
Speaker 5: and suddenly they're calling him, calling her little sister. Also,
Speaker 5: there's the background actors. At one point they highlight one
Speaker 5: background actor saying just listen to her what she proposing,
Speaker 5: and then someone else else for Jetta. This is like
Speaker 5: a middle school play level dialogue. This movie has no
Speaker 5: character development, and the dialogue is bad. And Forrest Whitaker
Speaker 5: thinks he's somewhere else. That's why this is not a
Speaker 5: good Star Wars movie.
Speaker 3: And with that our opening statements have culminated. We will
Speaker 3: now go to an ad break in which all of
Speaker 3: us judges the audience, everyone will digest.
Speaker 2: What we've just heard, and then we'll come back and
Speaker 2: we're back A boo or.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for the questions section? I am Joelle.
Speaker 3: Since you began, we'll start with your questions, aw boo.
Speaker 2: Would you like to start?
Speaker 3: Of course?
Speaker 6: Okay, Joelle. I would love for you to directly address
Speaker 6: Errand's claim that the characters in this film lack death
Speaker 6: and are nothing more than character archetypes. What would you
Speaker 6: say to that?
Speaker 4: As I explained to my opening statement, archetypes are the
Speaker 4: keys to Star Wars. They are the absolute core element
Speaker 4: that follows Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey that uses archetypes to
Speaker 4: tell stories. So you're kind of proving by point that
Speaker 4: it is more of a classic film with these kind
Speaker 4: of archetypes on the idea that they're vast and empty. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's vegan. Why do you hate children? Okay?
Speaker 2: She is a survivor of a horrible trauma, all right.
Speaker 4: The whole goal is to get the crew together. She
Speaker 4: has this big emotional change after seeing her father because
Speaker 4: it was easier to believe that he was dead when
Speaker 4: she didn't know. Now that she has some hope a
Speaker 4: key element of Star Wars, it changes her around to
Speaker 4: being a true rebel. And because she knows her father
Speaker 4: has died for a very specific cause, he lived his
Speaker 4: whole life a lie so that they could have one
Speaker 4: chance to end the empire, as she has one goal
Speaker 4: to make her father's life not a waste. That is
Speaker 4: beautiful And it's okay to be a quiet interior.
Speaker 2: Person like jin Is.
Speaker 4: You know, we're not all chea root.
Speaker 3: Out here being we're at time allowed with our thoughts
Speaker 3: and our feelings time. Next up, I will ask the
Speaker 3: question of eron Aaron, what Star Wars film, classic or otherwise.
Speaker 3: This is a question about your assertion that the writing
Speaker 3: of Rogue One is bad, the dialogue is substandard. What's
Speaker 3: the Star Wars movie with that crackling dialogue that you're
Speaker 3: referencing that we're that we're missing here, that star that
Speaker 3: Rogue one is not living up to.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a Star Wars movie that
Speaker 5: I think has incredible dialogue, but I do think that
Speaker 5: none of the other films that I think of as
Speaker 5: being good films, in particular one or four or five six,
Speaker 5: you have a sense of scale and things mattering, and
Speaker 5: to me throughout Rogue One, I just I truly did
Speaker 5: not care about the characters other than Donnie Yen, and
Speaker 5: I think part of that reason is I felt like
Speaker 5: these characters felt a little too one sided and one note,
Speaker 5: I'm totally okay with, you know, some of the dialogue
Speaker 5: being weak in all of them, but I felt like
Speaker 5: the dialogue in all of this was weak, and so
Speaker 5: I didn't care about the characters. I didn't believe their dialogue,
Speaker 5: and for those reasons, the poor dialogue stood out to
Speaker 5: me more here. I don't usually watch a Star Wars
Speaker 5: or TV show and write down quotes that I think
Speaker 5: are bad and then write uugh afterwards. I did that
Speaker 5: multiple times in this movie.
Speaker 6: Time quick protocol.
Speaker 3: Note we are going snake draft on the question segment,
Speaker 3: so Erin will receive a second question now from judjoboom
Speaker 3: ah boom.
Speaker 6: Okay Erin, I would love to know your thoughts on
Speaker 6: quite possibly one of the most iconic scenes in all
Speaker 6: of Star Wars that we got in this film, the
Speaker 6: Vader entrance. Did the Vader entrance work for you? Were
Speaker 6: there Star Wars moments in this movie that worked for you?
Speaker 4: And it?
Speaker 6: Is it a strength or a weakness of this film
Speaker 6: that it really understands that it is a story within
Speaker 6: a larger tapestry of Star Wars, and it does it's
Speaker 6: best to fit within that tapestry.
Speaker 5: I agree that the Vader scene is two of the
Speaker 5: best minutes in all of Star Wars.
Speaker 2: I loved it. It's like a horror movie.
Speaker 5: Vader finally shows his power in such an incredible way
Speaker 5: that I think it was frankly lacking in the original trilogy.
Speaker 5: I love those two minutes. They are incredible. The opening
Speaker 5: of the original Watchman movie is good. That doesn't make
Speaker 5: that movie good. In fact, I think that movie is
Speaker 5: very bad just because a small part of something is
Speaker 5: good doesn't meet the rest of it is good. And
Speaker 5: along those lines there are some quintessential Star Wars things here.
Speaker 5: I do think this movie tries way too hard to
Speaker 5: say we're not a typical Star Wars movie. But hey,
Speaker 5: we got to make sure we mentioned kyber crystals, and hey,
Speaker 5: look at all these cgi people were bringing out back
Speaker 5: for cameos. Did we really need Lea? Did we really
Speaker 5: need Tarkan? Looking pretty rough throughout the entire thing, I
Speaker 5: would argue, no, it knows that it's part of a
Speaker 5: larger story, and I think it actually suffers because of that.
Speaker 6: Time.
Speaker 3: And now our final question for Joel Joelle, I'd like
Speaker 3: you to speak to Aaron's criticism regarding the story. One
Speaker 3: thing I noticed from your opening statement was it was,
Speaker 3: you know, long on film aesthetics and short on blood
Speaker 3: and bone and the pumping heart that I think people
Speaker 3: respond to when they go to a theater and want
Speaker 3: to see a great story. So your response to Aaron's
Speaker 3: assertion that the story is just not there.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think everyone knows. Tony Gilroy had to be
Speaker 4: called in last week it to fix this. It was
Speaker 4: a hot mess. They weren't sure how they were gonna
Speaker 4: make it to the finish line. So, yes, we are
Speaker 4: lighter on story. But if you've been following along on
Speaker 4: our Eggers breakdown, you know I'm fine with the vibes.
Speaker 4: I feel like we got together a crew who could
Speaker 4: make it work, and I think what's most important is
Speaker 4: the dismantling of the empire as a negative force and
Speaker 4: really exploring how that impacts the little people. It's the
Speaker 4: larger scale things this does to tie into a larger tapestry,
Speaker 4: a storytelling that I think works really well. You can
Speaker 4: pick a part that maybe there are places we could
Speaker 4: have bolstered characters, made things connect more. But I'm totally
Speaker 4: fine with a film that's like, how do we make
Speaker 4: the dust Star more scary? I'm fine with a film
Speaker 4: that's like, here's a small crew coming together to become family.
Speaker 4: And I think the small parts, usually these little one
Speaker 4: shots where Tony was really focusing and honing in on
Speaker 4: the dialogue, do enough to get this movie to a
Speaker 4: passable grade of script. And then everybody else comes in
Speaker 4: and totally kicks ass.
Speaker 3: That culminates are question and answer segment. We're going to
Speaker 3: digest this, Abu and I I would insist that the
Speaker 3: audience also digest the things that they've heard. We'll be
Speaker 3: back for word from our sponsors, and we're back. Abu
Speaker 3: and I are going to go into chambers and discuss
Speaker 3: what we've heard. Abu, what do you think? What do
Speaker 3: you what do you think?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 6: Jason, I am quite impressed by both the defense and
Speaker 6: the prosecution.
Speaker 3: I am as well.
Speaker 6: I will say I came in pretty biased against Aaron
Speaker 6: in this. I will I will admit my own biases
Speaker 6: here for full transparency. I love Rogue One, but I
Speaker 6: came in with an open mind, and oh I wanted
Speaker 6: to hear Aaron out and I I think he moved
Speaker 6: the needle quite a bit. I'll admit for me, What
Speaker 6: about you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think this comes down to what
Speaker 3: are we willing to forgive. I think that Aaron's not
Speaker 3: wrong on the technical merits right, mm hmm. At the
Speaker 3: same time, thing I was trying to get at with
Speaker 3: the question about other Star Wars movies. You know that
Speaker 3: Rogue One not clearing some kind of dialogue quality bar.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not exactly Shakespeare folks that we're
Speaker 3: talking about when we talk about that, any of the
Speaker 3: Star Wars movies, even the classic ones. So it's all
Speaker 3: about what will we forgive and why? And I have
Speaker 3: to admit I'm looking inside my soul as a person
Speaker 3: who I'll admit it like and enjoy's Rogue One and
Speaker 3: thinks it's good. I'm now looking inward and wondering what
Speaker 3: is it about this highly imperfect movie. I think we
Speaker 3: all can admit that it's a highly impurpose that we
Speaker 3: respond to. And why why are we willing to either
Speaker 3: accept its faults as part of a larger hole or
Speaker 3: reject its faults and say, frankly, this movie isn't up
Speaker 3: to stuff. It's an interesting it's an interesting question overall. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I must admit I am currently experiencing significant emotional
Speaker 3: and intellectual turmoil that I am barely keeping below the surface.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm fucking freaking out.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Do I like what I like?
Speaker 6: And why do I know what I like?
Speaker 3: Anymore? What if everything I've ever.
Speaker 2: Liked is bad?
Speaker 5: Is bad?
Speaker 2: This is crazy.
Speaker 6: I'm horrified of having bad tastes, But also I know
Speaker 6: I have bad tastes. Yeah, and that's a difficult dichotomy
Speaker 6: to live in. I will say, when it comes to
Speaker 6: Rogue one, I love your question of what are we
Speaker 6: willing to forgive here? I think that's a question with
Speaker 6: any franchise storytelling, especially a franchise of as big as this.
Speaker 6: It means so many different things to so many different people,
Speaker 6: and out of a certain story, everyone's going to be
Speaker 6: looking to get something different out of Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For Joelle, from her arguments, it sounded like she's totally
Speaker 6: fine with vibes and for Aaron, clearly he wants some
Speaker 6: a very strong emotional core and excellent storytelling. And I
Speaker 6: think both of them made very fair arguments based on
Speaker 6: what they are looking for from a Star Wars story.
Speaker 3: I think it comes down to on some level ambition
Speaker 3: within ip M, are you willing to look past imperfections
Speaker 3: because something really went for it. They took a swing,
Speaker 3: They took a big, big swing. Maybe they didn't connect,
Speaker 3: maybe they didn't even hit it, you know, out of
Speaker 3: the infield, but they took that big swing in a
Speaker 3: space in which you're used to getting fan service, box
Speaker 3: checking type of material.
Speaker 2: Or is it better to say.
Speaker 3: You came here expecting a hamburger, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 3: you a fucking great hamburger, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean.
Speaker 6: I think that, to me is the central question.
Speaker 3: And listen, I gotta take a piss. Let's meet back
Speaker 3: here in five and then we'll walk into the courtroom
Speaker 3: and we'll see what's going on. This isn't being recorded, right,
Speaker 3: this is just in our chambers. They're not recorded us, right, No,
Speaker 3: not at all? Okay, good, Yeah, Joelle, Aaron, You've given
Speaker 3: us a lot to think about, and we've taken we've
Speaker 3: taken our responsibility quite seriously. I think, if you know,
Speaker 3: just to take a moment to pat ourselves on the
Speaker 3: back for our holding the standards of this courtroom right.
Speaker 3: And now we will share our unbiased and independent verdicts
Speaker 3: about the question at hand. Aboo, would you like to begin.
Speaker 6: I can't begin my completely unbiased verdict unbiased, so unbiased?
Speaker 6: Is that Rogue One is such a banger? I mean,
Speaker 6: I love that movie so much. I love that it
Speaker 6: took a big swing. I love that there was no
Speaker 6: Jedis in this movie and it's still had the audacity
Speaker 6: and the courage to call itself a Star Wars story.
Speaker 6: Naria Saber insight outside of Vader himself. The Vader scene
Speaker 6: itself is iconic, and I don't know, maybe a single
Speaker 6: scene does make for an excellent and iconic movie. So
Speaker 6: I have to hand this one to Joel.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 6: That was my totally, completely unbiased take.
Speaker 3: My completely unbiased taken. Aboo and I were back in
Speaker 3: chambers saying how unbiased we were. That was most of
Speaker 3: the conversations, just saying, you're so unbiased. I hope I
Speaker 3: can be as unbiased as you. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Let me first say that I agree with many of
Speaker 3: the criticisms, if not all, of the criticism levied by
Speaker 3: Aaron in his prosecution of Rogue One as a not
Speaker 3: good film that set there is something about the ambition
Speaker 3: of the movie and something that Joel didn't speak to,
Speaker 3: but which I will speak to now, which is another
Speaker 3: parallel between Episode four A New Hope and Ague and
Speaker 3: Rogue One. Is it the way it tacitly acknowledges the
Speaker 3: current state of war as it existed in the culture
Speaker 3: at that time. This is a movie that I think
Speaker 3: acknowledges that America was in the midst of a war
Speaker 3: on terror, and it also acknowledges that maybe there's some
Speaker 3: strength in those ideas and a power that cannot be touched.
Speaker 3: And it's because of those and other things the ambition
Speaker 3: of this movie, despite its imperfections, that I'm going to
Speaker 3: rule in favor of Joel, but with a special comment
Speaker 3: that Aaron, we have not judged in your favor. I
Speaker 3: don't think you're wrong necessarily, You're definitely not wrong. A
Speaker 3: movie that could have been a lot better. This is
Speaker 3: a movie in which a lot of the heavy lifting
Speaker 3: story wise happens in between the ears of the audience
Speaker 3: that is sitting there watching it. That said, Joelle, you've
Speaker 3: carried the day. According to the verdict of the your
Speaker 3: Wrong Friend Court, Rogue one is a good movie.
Speaker 4: We've decided, Well, would you make like a ten commandments
Speaker 4: of like these are rules?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you're wrong if you have it. If you
Speaker 3: have anything to say, feel free to say it now
Speaker 3: or forever. Hold your peace. Good game.
Speaker 4: And it was a great battle. I felt at one
Speaker 4: point my back against the while little bit. If I
Speaker 4: get in the story deal, I'm suddenly there's not a
Speaker 4: lot to defend here. But I love this movie's grief battle.
Speaker 3: Well, that's been it for a wonderful episode of X
Speaker 3: ray Vision. You're wrong, friend.
Speaker 1: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we've got
Speaker 1: our reactions to the Dead Evil Born Again season finale,
Speaker 1: and next week we have our Thunderbolts book Club. So
Speaker 1: go read issue one and then we'll begin our and
Speaker 1: or season two coverage with two episodes, a recap and
Speaker 1: a roundtable discussion.
Speaker 3: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Subsion and Rosie
Speaker 3: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive
Speaker 3: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer
Speaker 3: is a Booze Afar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and
Speaker 3: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman
Speaker 1: and Heidi our Discoord moderator.