1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: In anticipation of and Or season two. Today we have 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: a very special episode of Your Wrong Friend, with a 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: debate of whether or not Rogue one is a good movie. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Is this blasphemy? My personal opinion is yes, I think 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Rogue one is fantastic. I'm a Rogue one fan, as 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: you know. But guess what, it doesn't matter because our 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: judge is Jason and he will be making the ruling 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: at the end of this episode. 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Warning. 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: Today's episode contains spoilers for Rogue one, a Star Wars story. 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: I was about to say it is a good movie, 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: but I can't say that right now. It's a movie 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: that you should be aware of, and if you have 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: not seen it, then go watch it, baby, and then 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: come back to this particular debate. Hello, what it is jaconcepting? 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: You gotta Welcome back to the next Ray Vision, the 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comments, 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: and pop culture. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: Coming from my our podcast. 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: We're bringing you three three three three episodes a week 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: every Tuesday Thursday, with that strap episode every Wednesday. Today, 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: today we have a special episode of Your Wrong Friend, 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: the episode in which we hold up our sacred opinions 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: to attack and debate to decide what pop culture thing 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: someone is wrong about. In today's episode, this wrote one good. 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: Speaking for the defense, we have Star Wars Ultravan Joel 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: and speaking for the prosecution, our super producer Aaron sitting 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: in judgment, always unbiased, always above the fray will be 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: producer and Spice smeister Aboo and myself. This is your 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: wrong friend, Prosecution, Defense, introduce yourselves. 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: Uh Hi, I'm Jelmenique. I am a Star Wars super 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: fan and a lover of rogue. 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 5: One. 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: Yay women, y a K two s O. 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: I have many thoughts. Yay women. Absolutely strike that. 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 5: Oh my god, record, I didn't realize this movie had 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 5: any strong women characters. 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: Sorry, Strike, We're. 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: Gonna battle, strike, strike, strike all of this. 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: Hold on there. 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: I want to warn our contestants today, no lobbying in 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: the introductions. Okay, clean, fight break. 43 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 5: My name's Aaron wan Kaufman. I'm one of the producers 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 5: along with Joel and a Boo, and I am a 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 5: Star Wars super fan, but I also am okay. One 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 5: of my favorite things about, for instance, an album of 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 5: music is that I can love the album and not 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 5: have to like some of the songs. On the album. 49 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: Okay, here's how it works, folks. Each person will have 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: four minutes that's four standard minutes of sixty seconds each 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: to argue their opening points, after which our panel A 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: Boo and myself aboo say hi Hi. We'll ask two questions. 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: Each side will have one minute per question to respond. 54 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: After that, we go to the closing statements, in which 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: the prosecution and defense will make a one minute statement 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: about why their opinion should hold sway. And then it 57 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: will go to the judges A Boo and myself sitting 58 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: above the clouds, high in judgment without any biases, high 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: and mighty, no biases, completely balanced and fair, will adjudicate 60 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: and announce our verdict. Are we ready, folks? How do 61 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: we feeling? Were ready to get into it? 62 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: Feel great? 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: Yes, Let's begin with the opening statements, Joel, the floor 64 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: is yours. We're ready to answer one question. Is Rogue 65 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: one a good movie? And I say it's a classic 66 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: Star Wars film. I positive that it is the only 67 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: classic Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi because 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: it's the only movie that embodies the filmmaking ideals of 69 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: the original trilogy, and it somehow does as while improving 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: upon the original series and significantly expanding the Star Wars universe. 71 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: We can see respect to the originals in three spaces. 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: The first to our scale and score. How does episode 73 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: four open with that giant star destroyer, that devastrator dominating 74 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: the screen, making the audience feel overwhelmed by its sheer size. 75 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: This is vital for two reasons. One because it's an 76 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 4: opening home run for industrial light and magic, arguably the 77 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: singular element that makes episodes four through six classics, and 78 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: two because it gives size to the galaxy. And one 79 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: we get that star destroyer to dustar shot, and then 80 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: the dust Star literally eclipses a planet son That's amazing. 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: Then we get homage to Michael Giaccino's score, which generously 82 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: uses lay motifs from John William's Originals score, arguably the 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: other element that makes four through six classics to great effect. 84 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: When the rebellion theme plays, as the soldiers agree to 85 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: follow jin, you're genuinely moved. The third homage comes from 86 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 4: Whites and Gilroy's scripting. These methods that originally inspired George 87 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: Lucas I'm mostly talking about Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey are 88 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 4: one maps his character archetypes over ordinary people. In way, 89 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: we have a mentor who throughout the story tells each 90 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: character that he has faith in them, and we watch 91 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: that spark of belief ignite them to powerful change. Donny 92 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: YenS Mway is an embodiment of the Force, not as 93 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: a warrior or even as an expert wielder, but as 94 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 4: a believer, and we see what the Force means, not 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: to the Sith or Jedi, but how it kinetically connects 96 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: all life. A major franchise tenant now explored beyond power 97 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: wielding gods, to watch mere mortals tap into the Force 98 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: to bolster their inner confidence is damn inspiring. Campbell's influence 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: continues with Diego lunas Cassian and Or the Shape Shifter, 100 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: a man so jaded he shoots a terrified informant in 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: the back to get a clean getaway, but by the 102 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: end of this film, he's put his faith in a 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: woman he barely knows and leaves his light down just 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 4: to give the rebellion a chance to make the right 105 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: strategic move. And K two s So played by Tuttick, 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 4: would get the Trickster my favorite droid since Chopper, and 107 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: I'm sorry but he's better, buddy, is trying to get 108 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: you killed or annoying, and you can understand what he's saying. 109 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 4: A perfect blend of what we love about C. Three 110 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 4: PO and R two D two with out the elements 111 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 4: that we don't. But it's the bolstering of the ultimate 112 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: shadow character Vader with that modern day hallway scene to 113 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: cap off the film that pushes the film above and 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: beyond his sheer size, his speed, but most importantly the 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 4: absolute terror he strikes in the rebels on the bridge. 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: This Vader, notoriously horrifying though he is, is at his 117 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: most horrific in the hall scene. Rogwan improves a new 118 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: Hope by highlighting both the intense sacrifice that went into 119 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: delivering the Death Star cinematics and also centering the ways 120 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 4: in which the Empire destroys the lies of citizens, from 121 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: enslaving its workers to crushing individuality or droids, to its 122 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: most sinister act, destroying the very idea of hope. Ultimately, 123 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 4: this is a story of how hope was rediscovered, not 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: by princess or a chosen teenager or a legendary scoundrel, 125 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: but by the ordinary people. There are steaks here. They 126 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: all die. It makes that sacrifice matter. It makes all 127 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: of that. But so four means something. Every in near 128 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: failure is more heart stopping because look who we lost 129 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: to get here, and that story was so impactful it's 130 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: spawn off into a prequel that it's critically considered to 131 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 4: be the greatest Star Wars television property. I am, of 132 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: course talking about and Or, which might be one of 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: the most important TV series in the past ten years period. 134 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but your wrong friend. Rogue one, a Star 135 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: Wars story, is a classic. 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I. 137 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Did it. 138 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 6: With thirty seconds to spare, with thirty seconds to spare. 139 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 5: Wonderful, Aaron a boot give me that two minute and 140 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 5: give me the one minute. I did not pre write 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: anything the way Joel did, so. 142 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: I actually strike strike Wow, you're going. 143 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 6: Warn, trying to garner this garner sympathy of. 144 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: The journey by stating that no stop speakings of my 145 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: heart right now, not like my intellectual competition war. 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Are you we will shrike? 147 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: Aaron? Are you ready? 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: I'm ready? 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: Begin friends. 150 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: Joelle is here arguing that Rogue one is a good 151 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 5: Star Wars movie, to which I only have one thing 152 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 5: to say, lies deceptions, more lies. This is a movie 153 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 5: based around the main character, Jin, who has given zero personality. 154 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: In the first three scenes we get of Gin, we 155 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 5: have no dialogue other than her saying Mama, which is 156 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: just her calling out to her mother. Every character in 157 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: those opening scenes is given more character development in each 158 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 5: of those scenes than Jin is. We learn more about 159 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 5: K two s O as he catches her than we 160 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 5: do about her as she tries to escape from the 161 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 5: prison transport. Which also the second scene is her in 162 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: a jail set with someone sleeping. 163 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: What did we gain from that? 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 5: Nothing? Also, that seems three seconds long because this movie 165 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 5: jumps around from scene to scene so quickly. In the 166 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 5: first half hour, Jin has been raised by Saw. She 167 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 5: was left in a bunker with a knife and a blaster. 168 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 5: She misses her dad. She never mentions her mom again, 169 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 5: even though her mom has died. But where's the character 170 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 5: background and development to her besides the fact that she 171 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: was in jail? And then the other characters. Riz Ahmed 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 5: an amazing, amazing actor. His character traits are he's he's 173 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 5: a pilot anyways, Donnie Yen. He he's a great actor 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 5: and his character traits are he's he's a quippie, blind guy. 175 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: I guess, okay, we'll move on. We really don't get 176 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 5: much character development in here. We just get drastic changes 177 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: to the characters when the plot needs us to move 178 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: along in some way. Jin doesn't care about anything. She 179 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 5: goes in front of the rebels and she's like, this 180 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 5: isn't my fight. I'll get you to saw and that's it. 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: She watches one hologram with her dad, which she just said, oh, 182 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 5: I'm trying to forget him. It's easier to just assume 183 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 5: he's dead. And then all of a sudden she's out there, 184 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 5: even more liberal than the rebels, saying this is all 185 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 5: of our fight. We all have to be here, and 186 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 5: then she's inspiring everyone with her wares. The only people 187 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 5: in this film that we care about truly are Donnie 188 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 5: Yen and his boyfriend, and they their motivations are entirely suspect. 189 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 5: At one point, Donnie Yen brings up kyber crystals to 190 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 5: Gin and then all of a sudden they join up. 191 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 5: It's the most like video game on rails, like the 192 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: Allies are joining your recruitment story. We have no there's 193 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 5: no reason for Donnie En and his boyfriend to join up, 194 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 5: but they do anyways. Also, this is not a good 195 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 5: Star Wars movie because Forrest Whitaker is confused and thinks 196 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 5: he's in another movie entirely. He thinks he's I don't know, 197 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 5: Jared Leto in Suicide Squad. Maybe he's Pacino Incentive, a 198 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 5: woman I don't know, but he's not in a Star 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 5: Wars movie. 200 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: Here. 201 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 5: Also, the dialogue, I did some of it with the 202 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: lies deceptions. The dialogue in this is horrible, Like, okay, 203 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: you saw, says to Jin, you'd see the Imperial flag 204 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 5: rain above the galaxy and Jin's response is it's not 205 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: a problem if you don't look up. What kind of 206 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 5: dialogue is that? And then later on Darth Vader, who 207 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 5: gets maybe like the two minutes of the greatest screen 208 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 5: time ever. He looks great and he chokes Ben Mendelssohn 209 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,479 Speaker 5: and he says, be careful not to choke on your aspirations. 210 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: Director. 211 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 5: We get it. We don't need, we don't need Darth 212 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: Vader making Spider Man jokes in this. Finally, finally bays 213 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 5: Donnieen's boyfriend calls Jin little sister at one point as 214 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: they get ready to leave. He has not exchanged any 215 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 5: dialogue with her. In the movie up until that point, 216 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 5: and suddenly they're calling him, calling her little sister. Also, 217 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 5: there's the background actors. At one point they highlight one 218 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 5: background actor saying just listen to her what she proposing, 219 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 5: and then someone else else for Jetta. This is like 220 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 5: a middle school play level dialogue. This movie has no 221 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 5: character development, and the dialogue is bad. And Forrest Whitaker 222 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 5: thinks he's somewhere else. That's why this is not a 223 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 5: good Star Wars movie. 224 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 3: And with that our opening statements have culminated. We will 225 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: now go to an ad break in which all of 226 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 3: us judges the audience, everyone will digest. 227 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: What we've just heard, and then we'll come back and 228 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: we're back A boo or. 229 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: Are you ready for the questions section? I am Joelle. 230 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: Since you began, we'll start with your questions, aw boo. 231 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: Would you like to start? 232 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: Of course? 233 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 6: Okay, Joelle. I would love for you to directly address 234 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 6: Errand's claim that the characters in this film lack death 235 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 6: and are nothing more than character archetypes. What would you 236 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 6: say to that? 237 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 4: As I explained to my opening statement, archetypes are the 238 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: keys to Star Wars. They are the absolute core element 239 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: that follows Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey that uses archetypes to 240 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 4: tell stories. So you're kind of proving by point that 241 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: it is more of a classic film with these kind 242 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 4: of archetypes on the idea that they're vast and empty. Okay, 243 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: let's vegan. Why do you hate children? Okay? 244 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: She is a survivor of a horrible trauma, all right. 245 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 4: The whole goal is to get the crew together. She 246 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 4: has this big emotional change after seeing her father because 247 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: it was easier to believe that he was dead when 248 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 4: she didn't know. Now that she has some hope a 249 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 4: key element of Star Wars, it changes her around to 250 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: being a true rebel. And because she knows her father 251 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: has died for a very specific cause, he lived his 252 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: whole life a lie so that they could have one 253 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: chance to end the empire, as she has one goal 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: to make her father's life not a waste. That is 255 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 4: beautiful And it's okay to be a quiet interior. 256 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: Person like jin Is. 257 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 4: You know, we're not all chea root. 258 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: Out here being we're at time allowed with our thoughts 259 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: and our feelings time. Next up, I will ask the 260 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: question of eron Aaron, what Star Wars film, classic or otherwise. 261 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: This is a question about your assertion that the writing 262 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: of Rogue One is bad, the dialogue is substandard. What's 263 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: the Star Wars movie with that crackling dialogue that you're 264 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: referencing that we're that we're missing here, that star that 265 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: Rogue one is not living up to. 266 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a Star Wars movie that 267 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: I think has incredible dialogue, but I do think that 268 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 5: none of the other films that I think of as 269 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: being good films, in particular one or four or five six, 270 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 5: you have a sense of scale and things mattering, and 271 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 5: to me throughout Rogue One, I just I truly did 272 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 5: not care about the characters other than Donnie Yen, and 273 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: I think part of that reason is I felt like 274 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 5: these characters felt a little too one sided and one note, 275 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 5: I'm totally okay with, you know, some of the dialogue 276 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 5: being weak in all of them, but I felt like 277 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 5: the dialogue in all of this was weak, and so 278 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 5: I didn't care about the characters. I didn't believe their dialogue, 279 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 5: and for those reasons, the poor dialogue stood out to 280 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 5: me more here. I don't usually watch a Star Wars 281 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 5: or TV show and write down quotes that I think 282 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 5: are bad and then write uugh afterwards. I did that 283 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 5: multiple times in this movie. 284 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 6: Time quick protocol. 285 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: Note we are going snake draft on the question segment, 286 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: so Erin will receive a second question now from judjoboom 287 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: ah boom. 288 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 6: Okay Erin, I would love to know your thoughts on 289 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 6: quite possibly one of the most iconic scenes in all 290 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 6: of Star Wars that we got in this film, the 291 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 6: Vader entrance. Did the Vader entrance work for you? Were 292 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 6: there Star Wars moments in this movie that worked for you? 293 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 4: And it? 294 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 6: Is it a strength or a weakness of this film 295 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: that it really understands that it is a story within 296 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 6: a larger tapestry of Star Wars, and it does it's 297 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 6: best to fit within that tapestry. 298 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 5: I agree that the Vader scene is two of the 299 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 5: best minutes in all of Star Wars. 300 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: I loved it. It's like a horror movie. 301 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: Vader finally shows his power in such an incredible way 302 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: that I think it was frankly lacking in the original trilogy. 303 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 5: I love those two minutes. They are incredible. The opening 304 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 5: of the original Watchman movie is good. That doesn't make 305 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 5: that movie good. In fact, I think that movie is 306 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 5: very bad just because a small part of something is 307 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 5: good doesn't meet the rest of it is good. And 308 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 5: along those lines there are some quintessential Star Wars things here. 309 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 5: I do think this movie tries way too hard to 310 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 5: say we're not a typical Star Wars movie. But hey, 311 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 5: we got to make sure we mentioned kyber crystals, and hey, 312 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 5: look at all these cgi people were bringing out back 313 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 5: for cameos. Did we really need Lea? Did we really 314 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: need Tarkan? Looking pretty rough throughout the entire thing, I 315 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 5: would argue, no, it knows that it's part of a 316 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: larger story, and I think it actually suffers because of that. 317 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 6: Time. 318 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: And now our final question for Joel Joelle, I'd like 319 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: you to speak to Aaron's criticism regarding the story. One 320 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: thing I noticed from your opening statement was it was, 321 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: you know, long on film aesthetics and short on blood 322 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: and bone and the pumping heart that I think people 323 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: respond to when they go to a theater and want 324 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: to see a great story. So your response to Aaron's 325 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: assertion that the story is just not there. 326 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: Okay, I think everyone knows. Tony Gilroy had to be 327 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: called in last week it to fix this. It was 328 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 4: a hot mess. They weren't sure how they were gonna 329 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: make it to the finish line. So, yes, we are 330 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: lighter on story. But if you've been following along on 331 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: our Eggers breakdown, you know I'm fine with the vibes. 332 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: I feel like we got together a crew who could 333 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 4: make it work, and I think what's most important is 334 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: the dismantling of the empire as a negative force and 335 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 4: really exploring how that impacts the little people. It's the 336 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: larger scale things this does to tie into a larger tapestry, 337 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: a storytelling that I think works really well. You can 338 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: pick a part that maybe there are places we could 339 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 4: have bolstered characters, made things connect more. But I'm totally 340 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 4: fine with a film that's like, how do we make 341 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: the dust Star more scary? I'm fine with a film 342 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: that's like, here's a small crew coming together to become family. 343 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: And I think the small parts, usually these little one 344 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: shots where Tony was really focusing and honing in on 345 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 4: the dialogue, do enough to get this movie to a 346 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 4: passable grade of script. And then everybody else comes in 347 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: and totally kicks ass. 348 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: That culminates are question and answer segment. We're going to 349 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: digest this, Abu and I I would insist that the 350 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: audience also digest the things that they've heard. We'll be 351 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: back for word from our sponsors, and we're back. Abu 352 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: and I are going to go into chambers and discuss 353 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: what we've heard. Abu, what do you think? What do 354 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: you what do you think? 355 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 5: Wow? 356 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 6: Jason, I am quite impressed by both the defense and 357 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 6: the prosecution. 358 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: I am as well. 359 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 6: I will say I came in pretty biased against Aaron 360 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 6: in this. I will I will admit my own biases 361 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 6: here for full transparency. I love Rogue One, but I 362 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 6: came in with an open mind, and oh I wanted 363 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 6: to hear Aaron out and I I think he moved 364 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 6: the needle quite a bit. I'll admit for me, What 365 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 6: about you? 366 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think this comes down to what 367 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: are we willing to forgive. I think that Aaron's not 368 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: wrong on the technical merits right, mm hmm. At the 369 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: same time, thing I was trying to get at with 370 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: the question about other Star Wars movies. You know that 371 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: Rogue One not clearing some kind of dialogue quality bar. 372 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not exactly Shakespeare folks that we're 373 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: talking about when we talk about that, any of the 374 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: Star Wars movies, even the classic ones. So it's all 375 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: about what will we forgive and why? And I have 376 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 3: to admit I'm looking inside my soul as a person 377 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: who I'll admit it like and enjoy's Rogue One and 378 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: thinks it's good. I'm now looking inward and wondering what 379 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: is it about this highly imperfect movie. I think we 380 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: all can admit that it's a highly impurpose that we 381 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: respond to. And why why are we willing to either 382 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: accept its faults as part of a larger hole or 383 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: reject its faults and say, frankly, this movie isn't up 384 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 3: to stuff. It's an interesting it's an interesting question overall. Yeah, 385 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: and I must admit I am currently experiencing significant emotional 386 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: and intellectual turmoil that I am barely keeping below the surface. 387 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: Wow. 388 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm fucking freaking out. 389 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 5: Man. 390 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: Do I like what I like? 391 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 6: And why do I know what I like? 392 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: Anymore? What if everything I've ever. 393 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: Liked is bad? 394 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 5: Is bad? 395 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: This is crazy. 396 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 6: I'm horrified of having bad tastes, But also I know 397 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: I have bad tastes. Yeah, and that's a difficult dichotomy 398 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 6: to live in. I will say, when it comes to 399 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 6: Rogue one, I love your question of what are we 400 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 6: willing to forgive here? I think that's a question with 401 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 6: any franchise storytelling, especially a franchise of as big as this. 402 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 6: It means so many different things to so many different people, 403 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 6: and out of a certain story, everyone's going to be 404 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 6: looking to get something different out of Star Wars. 405 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 406 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 6: For Joelle, from her arguments, it sounded like she's totally 407 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 6: fine with vibes and for Aaron, clearly he wants some 408 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 6: a very strong emotional core and excellent storytelling. And I 409 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 6: think both of them made very fair arguments based on 410 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 6: what they are looking for from a Star Wars story. 411 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: I think it comes down to on some level ambition 412 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: within ip M, are you willing to look past imperfections 413 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: because something really went for it. They took a swing, 414 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: They took a big, big swing. Maybe they didn't connect, 415 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: maybe they didn't even hit it, you know, out of 416 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: the infield, but they took that big swing in a 417 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: space in which you're used to getting fan service, box 418 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: checking type of material. 419 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: Or is it better to say. 420 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: You came here expecting a hamburger, and I'm gonna give 421 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: you a fucking great hamburger, you know. 422 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: What I mean. 423 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 6: I think that, to me is the central question. 424 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: And listen, I gotta take a piss. Let's meet back 425 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: here in five and then we'll walk into the courtroom 426 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: and we'll see what's going on. This isn't being recorded, right, 427 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: this is just in our chambers. They're not recorded us, right, No, 428 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: not at all? Okay, good, Yeah, Joelle, Aaron, You've given 429 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: us a lot to think about, and we've taken we've 430 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: taken our responsibility quite seriously. I think, if you know, 431 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: just to take a moment to pat ourselves on the 432 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 3: back for our holding the standards of this courtroom right. 433 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: And now we will share our unbiased and independent verdicts 434 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: about the question at hand. Aboo, would you like to begin. 435 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 6: I can't begin my completely unbiased verdict unbiased, so unbiased? 436 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 6: Is that Rogue One is such a banger? I mean, 437 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 6: I love that movie so much. I love that it 438 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 6: took a big swing. I love that there was no 439 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 6: Jedis in this movie and it's still had the audacity 440 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 6: and the courage to call itself a Star Wars story. 441 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 6: Naria Saber insight outside of Vader himself. The Vader scene 442 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 6: itself is iconic, and I don't know, maybe a single 443 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 6: scene does make for an excellent and iconic movie. So 444 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 6: I have to hand this one to Joel. 445 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: Hmmm. 446 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 6: That was my totally, completely unbiased take. 447 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: My completely unbiased taken. Aboo and I were back in 448 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: chambers saying how unbiased we were. That was most of 449 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: the conversations, just saying, you're so unbiased. I hope I 450 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: can be as unbiased as you. That's what we're talking about. 451 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 3: Let me first say that I agree with many of 452 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: the criticisms, if not all, of the criticism levied by 453 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: Aaron in his prosecution of Rogue One as a not 454 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: good film that set there is something about the ambition 455 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: of the movie and something that Joel didn't speak to, 456 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: but which I will speak to now, which is another 457 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: parallel between Episode four A New Hope and Ague and 458 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: Rogue One. Is it the way it tacitly acknowledges the 459 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 3: current state of war as it existed in the culture 460 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: at that time. This is a movie that I think 461 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: acknowledges that America was in the midst of a war 462 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 3: on terror, and it also acknowledges that maybe there's some 463 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: strength in those ideas and a power that cannot be touched. 464 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 3: And it's because of those and other things the ambition 465 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: of this movie, despite its imperfections, that I'm going to 466 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: rule in favor of Joel, but with a special comment 467 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: that Aaron, we have not judged in your favor. I 468 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: don't think you're wrong necessarily, You're definitely not wrong. A 469 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: movie that could have been a lot better. This is 470 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 3: a movie in which a lot of the heavy lifting 471 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 3: story wise happens in between the ears of the audience 472 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: that is sitting there watching it. That said, Joelle, you've 473 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: carried the day. According to the verdict of the your 474 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 3: Wrong Friend Court, Rogue one is a good movie. 475 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: We've decided, Well, would you make like a ten commandments 476 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: of like these are rules? 477 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you're wrong if you have it. If you 478 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: have anything to say, feel free to say it now 479 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: or forever. Hold your peace. Good game. 480 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: And it was a great battle. I felt at one 481 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: point my back against the while little bit. If I 482 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: get in the story deal, I'm suddenly there's not a 483 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 4: lot to defend here. But I love this movie's grief battle. 484 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's been it for a wonderful episode of X 485 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: ray Vision. You're wrong, friend. 486 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we've got 487 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: our reactions to the Dead Evil Born Again season finale, 488 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: and next week we have our Thunderbolts book Club. So 489 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: go read issue one and then we'll begin our and 490 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: or season two coverage with two episodes, a recap and 491 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: a roundtable discussion. 492 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Subsion and Rosie 493 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive 494 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer 495 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: is a Booze Afar. 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