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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BED three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Action Network. I

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Speaker 1: am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: We have a huge, huge show today as we are

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Speaker 1: counting down the days to the Draft. We will get

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Speaker 1: to our guests, one of the premier podcasters in the

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Speaker 1: NFL space, one of the premier evaluators of college football talent.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of hot quarterback takes. But first

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Speaker 1: I am joined by my bff, my co host, my companion,

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Speaker 1: my compadre professional better, Simon Hunter et O.

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Speaker 2: So I am in Chad, How are we doing? Brother?

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Speaker 1: Listen man. One of us is fresh off a wild

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Speaker 1: I can't even describe it as enthusiastically as I would

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Speaker 1: like to a wild night at WrestleMania in Philly. The

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Speaker 1: other has been chasing the solar eclipse. If our listeners

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Speaker 1: had to bet on who did what, I'm fairly certain

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Speaker 1: they would have bet on you losing your mind at

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Speaker 1: WrestleMania and the Undertaker's appearance and the hair raising moment

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Speaker 1: when the entire stadium went black and me nerding out

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Speaker 1: over the eclipse and the sun going black alas Simon.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my original plans chat were to head up the Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: but anyone that knows anything we're going on this solar

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Speaker 3: eclipse knows it was all about the cloud coverage, where

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Speaker 3: the clouds were going to be, where they weren't going

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Speaker 3: to be, So yeah, it made a last and decision

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Speaker 3: drove towards Rochester, where our good friend Matt Mitchell is,

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Speaker 3: from which i'd never been to sadly still never been there,

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Speaker 3: because I ended up in a lovely town called Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: New York. And if you've never heard of Atlanta, New York,

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Speaker 3: neither of I until about seven hours ago, made a

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Speaker 3: decision to drive there just because they're predicted did not

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Speaker 3: really have any clouds, and I got really lucky. No

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Speaker 3: clouds for about two full minutes of the three minutes

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Speaker 3: that I saw the totally eclipsed. So cool experience. You

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Speaker 3: don't really know how to describe it. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: can see it online, people can see things of it,

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Speaker 3: but seeing it in person, it's just crazy. It's just

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Speaker 3: another reminder you're we're flowing flying through space at millions

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Speaker 3: of miles per hour around a nuclear bombs is exploding

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Speaker 3: a million times over every second. It's it's a crazy

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Speaker 3: feelling looking up at the moon in front of the sun.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, chad get to it. Wrestled maniac, tell us

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Speaker 2: all the.

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Speaker 1: Deep couple things. Number one. If you want to feel small,

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Speaker 1: sit ringside at rest of with seventy five thousand people

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Speaker 1: going crazy. Our buddy Seth Rollins. His entrance was supreme.

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Speaker 1: He basically had.

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Speaker 2: A margin on your chair.

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Speaker 1: It was, honest to god, was freaking insane, had so

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Speaker 1: much fun. The electricity was pulsating, and yeah, like you know,

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Speaker 1: Logan Paul was there as a villain. The Rock came

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Speaker 1: out as a villain. The Undertaker was there to body

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Speaker 1: the end. And I was literally ringside for all of it.

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Speaker 1: Like I've got pictures basically up these guys nostrils when

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Speaker 1: And then afterwards, me and my kid were walking through

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Speaker 1: the bowels of the link because our seats were on

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Speaker 1: And it was like my kid was like, what the

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Speaker 1: we got to take home our chairs, so like we

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Speaker 1: can't believe it didn't get violent. Like the crowd is

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Speaker 1: so energetic and enthusiastic and happy to be there. It's

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Speaker 1: a wonderfully communal experience. What I'm sure it was like

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Speaker 1: to watch the eclipse. But Simon, we got to get

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Speaker 1: the business right two weeks away. So today's show, we

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Speaker 1: are welcoming back a very special guest to talk about

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. The most relentless NFL Draft and film

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Speaker 1: breakdown obsessives you'll find anywhere. He's got a dulcet tone

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Speaker 1: to his voice. We love having him on the show.

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Speaker 1: From the Athletic Football Show, Nate tay put it welcome, Nate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of Sherman's March to the Sea in Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: but that was Simon's March to c That was I

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Speaker 4: So that was good. I knew there was something there

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Speaker 2: I found it.

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Speaker 4: I'm jealous of the chair. I knew that you have

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Speaker 4: to take home the chair. I've seen ae w here

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Speaker 4: in Vegas. So I kind of like I was a

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Speaker 4: like it like kind of seems like when I went

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Speaker 4: I went to the event, and it's one of those

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Speaker 4: seeing it live and you can watch it as much

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Speaker 4: could see as many times you want on TV. You

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Speaker 4: watch it live and you get a new appreciation for

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Speaker 4: what these psychos are doing in their ring and just

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Speaker 4: like how big they are and how fast they're moving.

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Speaker 4: So I was, I was. I was enthralled listening to

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Speaker 4: you talk about that, because, like you said, you just

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Speaker 4: watch them buy some and you hear the noise, you

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Speaker 4: hear the guys crash through a table or something. You're like,

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Speaker 4: oh yes, or a chair back in the day, to

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Speaker 4: the to the noggin that you don't really do that

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Speaker 2: But I remember I heard.

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Speaker 4: I was like nine. I saw Scott Steiner whack someone

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Speaker 4: dad and I was like, That's when I realized. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: they didn't think it this like, they're not pulling back

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, guys are pre mass lets. They are dumping

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Speaker 1: out the top rope at two hundred and forty pounds,

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Speaker 4: And they can't go slow. Yeah, they go slow, they

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Speaker 4: get hurt's yeahs insie, that's what it's said.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to dig in deep on the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks today. You've got a very hot take that is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what. It's breaking up the draft community. It

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Speaker 1: really is. We're going to have to dig into it.

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Speaker 1: hotel room. Nate Tice. Look, everyone is on, Everyone is on.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams number one overall prospect for everybody except one person.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's fair. There's others. There's dozens of us.

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Speaker 1: There's a goddamn movement.

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Speaker 4: There is no there's a maze. And I've I've seen

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Speaker 4: some Jane Daniels thrown in there, which is like, to me,

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Speaker 4: is the hottest scorcher of hot takes I have. This

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Speaker 4: is by how I've had to clarify it. It's a

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Speaker 4: one A, one B situation for me. I freaking love

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Speaker 4: Caleb as well. I love Cale Williams. I think it's

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Speaker 4: month ago for Yahoo, not like a month ago, a

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Speaker 4: May has been kind of my guys since day one,

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Speaker 4: since last May when I first studied these guys full

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Speaker 4: on watching their twenty twenty two tape. It's like this

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Speaker 4: Drake May looks like the guys that the elite quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: even if it's the kind of takeaways the last month

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Speaker 4: which we can get into if we want. But every

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Speaker 4: and then it's like my Twitter mentions rekindle for a

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Speaker 4: my big board comes out Monday. I thought that would

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Speaker 4: like I've kind of reconciled with them already. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: With this. I'm at peace.

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Speaker 4: So I'm kind of I'm at peace with it all,

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Speaker 4: I guess because I just think these these two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: I think others have kind of I've been weirded by

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Speaker 4: I think there's people are getting scared off about a

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Speaker 4: ugly misser, I call it like just like a fastball

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Speaker 4: it's just it's a they're a line drive, or sort

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Speaker 4: of just misses hard as opposed to missus often. So

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Speaker 4: it's a bad miss and I think that's been sticking

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Speaker 4: out in people's head. So there's been kind of a

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Speaker 4: narrative about him, is that he's this pocket passer that's

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Speaker 4: It's like he's already doing it. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: You would agree though, that it's definitely safer to take

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Speaker 4: Yes, I completely understand taking William's way. That's the thing

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Speaker 4: you dive into him, he's a different, different animal completely

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Speaker 4: I think, I think both of these guys do, but

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Speaker 1: Of course, Well, I guess that becomes the conversation, right

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there's also just the optics of it, of

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Speaker 4: But also it's just what's told and what's the optics

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Speaker 4: keep piping that up. We don't like him, Actually, we

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Speaker 4: don't like him. That's kind of just how the game

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for Nate, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: So I'll say Nate's not one of these people in

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Speaker 2: There was never a time where I.

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Speaker 3: Think most people were just it felt like a mean

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Speaker 3: it were just lying where they were like, no, Bryce

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Speaker 3: Where I think a lot of people shrouded the line

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Speaker 3: of heat for that, which I'm sure you're dealing with

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Speaker 3: They're going to be commenting on anything you post, which

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Speaker 3: I dealt with with Alabama people. With Bryce Hung You're

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Speaker 3: just like, you don't know ball, you don't watch college football,

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Speaker 3: and it's like I don't, but I watch film.

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Speaker 2: I think anyone scouting these guys watch film.

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Speaker 3: So it is interesting hearing your take because you've had

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Speaker 3: for it, like you are seeing something you believe in

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Speaker 2: Big between him and Williams. It's just your preference.

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Speaker 2: But I do have Drake as one A.

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Speaker 3: Now, these kind of moments are career builders where if

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Speaker 3: Or you have to leave that organization because in ten

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Speaker 3: what you're doing here it is bold in NFL terms,

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Speaker 3: have Daniels just slightly ahead of May, like you just said,

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Speaker 3: my one A, one B for them. I disrespect that. Daniels. Again,

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Speaker 3: this is not a knock on Drake Man. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you've heard this from scouts. Apparently he is not the

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Speaker 3: he'll correct that. He'll work on his footwork, He'll work

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Speaker 3: Are you just like his talent levels so high? I

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Speaker 4: Well first the first thing he said is like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't killing them, but it was like it was

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Speaker 4: is and he runs into touchdown and I think it

432
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Speaker 4: gets called back, and I really have told a story twice,

433
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Speaker 4: so I should really check my facts here, But he

434
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Speaker 4: runs in for a touchdown and I think it gets

435
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Speaker 4: called back, and he freaking like basically you can see

436
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Speaker 4: him get ticked off, and on the very next play,

437
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 4: like you can see him kind of spin the ball

438
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Speaker 4: and kind of just like like like kind of like

439
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Speaker 4: channel and then the very next play he throws a

440
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Speaker 4: freaking heat seeking missile like just through two guys and

441
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Speaker 4: goes for a touchdown. But it was like he channeled

442
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Speaker 4: that competitiveness. And again this is I see the good

443
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Speaker 4: guys do this. The good quarterbacks know how to channel

444
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Speaker 4: that and put the fricking team on their back. And

445
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Speaker 4: again that's why I think Caleb and may do that

446
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Speaker 4: is because I've seen Caleb in different ways, but they

447
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 4: put over and over the Duke game and all that.

448
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Speaker 4: So like when I watch him, yes, I'm being glass

449
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Speaker 4: half full with a lot of stuff, but I think

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Speaker 4: because of the athleticism, because of his work ethic that

451
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Speaker 4: I know about, because of his competitive nature, I think

452
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Speaker 4: he's going to work at those little blumshoes because I've

453
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Speaker 4: already seen improvement and I think it's just going to

454
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Speaker 4: keep going. I'm not saying disco Stu, you know, straight

455
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Speaker 4: always going to just go out, but I do think

456
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Speaker 4: he has more likelihood to improve. There's some kind of

457
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Speaker 4: NBA thinking here. You know, it was kind of like

458
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 4: you know, that projection of some guys I always come

459
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Speaker 4: to back to, like Zach Levine or somebody like that.

460
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Speaker 4: It's like they have athleticism and competitiveness that gives them

461
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Speaker 4: more path to growth than the guy that's you know,

462
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Speaker 4: maxed out or totally polished, like a Jane Daniels who's

463
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Speaker 4: been started fifty something games. Like, yes, he's athletic, but

464
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Speaker 4: I don't know mechanically if I can fix anything. He's

465
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Speaker 4: this is him, like, this is what I'm drafting.

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Speaker 1: Last minute tickets loose prices guarantee. There are stats and

483
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Speaker 1: trends for quarterbacks in the NFL that tell you the

484
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Speaker 1: more games they've started in college, the more successful they're

485
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Speaker 1: going to be when they get to the NFL, and

486
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Speaker 1: vice versa. The fewer games they've started. When they're getting

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Speaker 1: drafted on upside and potential, the less of a chance

488
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Speaker 1: they have of succeeding a greater measure when they get

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. I mean, you've seen those you've seen

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Speaker 1: those numbers.

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Speaker 4: Well, so now it's kind of looking at age like

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Speaker 4: a younger the younger you get into the league, because

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Speaker 4: it's kind of I know, the Bill, old Bill Parcells

494
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Speaker 4: thinking start this many games, accuracy, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Now to me, it's more how early you start and

496
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Speaker 4: how early you entered the league. So it's great that

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Speaker 4: a Daniels May or Williams Stale started right away. May

498
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Speaker 4: was playing as a freshman. Then they read shirt them,

499
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Speaker 4: they had howl, YadA YadA. But that's a good sign.

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Speaker 4: And then if you're entering the league, then it's we

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Speaker 4: get our hands on you earlier. As far as the NFL,

502
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Speaker 4: we're getting you at twenty one years old as opposed

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Speaker 4: to twenty three or twenty four maybe back in the day,

504
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Speaker 4: give or a take, Is that good or bad? That's

505
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Speaker 4: a whole nother conversation of a developmental plan and reps

506
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Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. But the other stats

507
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Speaker 4: some people have taken it a little too far. I've

508
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Speaker 4: noticed on Twitter this spring, But stuff like pressure to

509
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Speaker 4: sack rate is a very sticky rate as far as

510
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Speaker 4: how how many times quarterback it's pressure, how many turns

511
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Speaker 4: in sack because that shows off creativity. I think size, athleticism,

512
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Speaker 4: pocket movement, all those types of things may stands. They

513
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Speaker 4: stand well above the threshold where you're concerned. I don't

514
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Speaker 4: know if that makes sense. They're good him and Williams

515
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Speaker 4: are fine, while Daniels is extremely concerning as because that

516
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Speaker 4: stays sticky. That that's kind of like a people we're

517
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Speaker 4: all learning, I think all of us at the same time,

518
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Speaker 4: teams and people online and people like myself, like we're

519
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Speaker 4: just figuring out what are the sticky stats. Everyone's getting

520
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Speaker 4: more and more data, but it's like this is what

521
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Speaker 4: baseball went through. It's like, okay, what is relevant. But

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Speaker 4: I think stuff like that is showing that these guys

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Speaker 4: are passing the thresholds of the good quarterback here.

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Speaker 1: So right now, if you were a handicap top three picks,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying, Caleb, Jaden Daniels, Drake,

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Speaker 1: may you have Jaden Daniels. You just mentioned a little

527
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Speaker 1: bit of the logic. Why, But I want you to

528
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Speaker 1: dig in a little bit deeper. You have Jaden Daniels

529
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Speaker 1: as a as the twentieth overall prospected.

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Speaker 4: To explain yourself, I will do it, man, get into

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Speaker 4: it now.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, ignore the combine weight with Jane Daniels.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna this whole present presentation is going to be

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Speaker 4: on the assumption that he wastes college weight and not

536
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Speaker 4: two hundred and ten. He probably took an awesome powers

537
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Speaker 4: pee after after that that pro day way in. But

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Speaker 4: Daniels to me is first and foremost he's accurate. I'll

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Speaker 4: start with positives before we before we get into the

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Speaker 4: bash fest. Uh, he's accurate. He knows what he's doing. No,

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Speaker 4: that's gonna be great. I think he does like him,

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Speaker 4: so that's why I'm excited to ask him. So he's accurate.

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Speaker 4: He he understands what he's going to be done, what

544
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Speaker 4: has to be done. As far as offensively, he's going

545
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Speaker 4: to translate mind wise mentally, I think to the NFL

546
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Speaker 4: very well because he has so many starts. Just like

547
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Speaker 4: you were saying, Chad, it's just so much experience different offenses.

548
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Speaker 4: He kind of he knows the answers. Now the accuracy

549
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: comes all three levels, which is really nice. He shows

550
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Speaker 4: we're ball placement if he knows that throw guys open.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he has good or better arm strength,

552
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Speaker 4: but it's above average. It's above the threshold adequate plus

553
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Speaker 4: you know what we say, A good debate is who

554
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Speaker 4: has a stronger arm him or Joe Burrow, which I

555
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Speaker 4: think would be more of a conversation than people realize.

556
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Speaker 4: But great athlete, that's another thing. So fast, honestly think

557
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Speaker 4: that Yeah, faster as he got went along at college,

558
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Speaker 4: he looks faster than he did at Arizona State. Maybe

559
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Speaker 4: it's just once again.

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Speaker 2: Set of humidity.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's the it's the humid air said,

562
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Speaker 4: the dry air that makes you faster. And Louisiana pushing

563
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Speaker 4: him along it is is just gliding him. Yes, maybe

564
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Speaker 4: there's something to that, like he just looks faster. I

565
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Speaker 4: swear maybe the PAC twelve needs better or what used

566
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Speaker 4: to be the Pac twelve needs better cameras makes me

567
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Speaker 4: look faster or something like that. But so getting into

568
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Speaker 4: the negatives with him versus size, and I just have

569
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Speaker 4: to bring it up because quarterbacks under two oh five

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Speaker 4: and we can get in two ten, but it would

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Speaker 4: say two oh five that Jane Daniels is. There's not

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Speaker 4: a lot of modern quarterbacks that have even started a

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Speaker 4: full season, much less have played a good season, had

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Speaker 4: like a successful above average season since two thousand. It's

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Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins and Jeff Garcia, and that's it. That's like

576
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Speaker 4: a certain threshold if you just kind of I use

577
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Speaker 4: adjusted net yards per attempt, but we won't go into it.

578
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Speaker 4: But above average or better season those are that's it.

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Speaker 4: So just two ound five or below, much less two

580
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Speaker 4: hundred or below. Then there's quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Who get into.

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Speaker 4: When Daniels is, he's a good athlete, he's accurate in

583
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Speaker 4: all this. He's not a creative player, and he's not

584
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Speaker 4: a creative thrower. He's very straight lined. He is not

585
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Speaker 4: a joker. He is not a move in the pocket

586
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Speaker 4: and throw a sidearm. He does not have that kind

587
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Speaker 4: of creative tool in his bag that I think Williamson

588
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Speaker 4: may do. May is extremely creative too, throwing left hand

589
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Speaker 4: and passes and stuff. I'll just keep praising him. Just

590
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Speaker 4: no little pod shout of here. But with Daniels, is

591
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: when he moves off his point. When he's moved off

592
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Speaker 4: his point in the in the pocket, he's looking to scramble.

593
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Speaker 2: He's looking to run.

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Speaker 4: His eyes do not look up to make a pass

595
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Speaker 4: to extend the play. And that is fine if he

596
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Speaker 4: was younger, if he was bigger, But because of his size,

597
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Speaker 4: and because I've never i haven't really seen that archetype

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Speaker 4: of player, the one that scrambles so much. I'm trying

599
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Speaker 4: to find the stats i'm talking here, but he has

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Speaker 4: two hundred fifty eight scrambles in his career, which is

601
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Speaker 4: his own stratsphere as far as prospects or college football

602
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: players that have come out. But then also when he

603
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: gets moved off a spot, nearly fifty percent of those

604
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Speaker 4: end up as scrambles, which is just absurd, Like usually

605
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Speaker 4: it's about twenty to thirty percent for guys. So it's

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Speaker 4: just a it's a type of play, it's a play style,

607
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Speaker 4: the reckless play with his size, his age. Yes, he's accurate.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't really work over the middle though, he doesn't

609
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Speaker 4: throw with aggression over the middle if it's a high low.

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Speaker 4: He throws a lot of loaves, and which is fine. Again,

611
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Speaker 4: you can make a living that way. But if you're

612
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Speaker 4: taking a lot of sacks, if you're playing that other

613
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Speaker 4: type of style, it's a hard living in the NFL.

614
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Speaker 4: If you take a sack on first down, second and

615
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: twenty two six yard games, aren't going to do it.

616
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Speaker 4: You have to push the ball, and he'll do that

617
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Speaker 4: on the outside. That works if you have a matchup

618
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Speaker 4: advantage on the outside weekend week out, which he might

619
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Speaker 4: not in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: He might.

621
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Speaker 4: He might get into a Burrow and Bengal situation, but

622
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Speaker 4: he might not. He might be going to make It's say,

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Speaker 4: What's say Washington, Yeah, he might have Terry McLaurin. Johan

624
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Speaker 4: Dotson isn't really I don't think going to be Milik

625
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 4: neighbors of Brian Thomas. So that is again it's going

626
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Speaker 4: to be. It's not. He does a lot of things, fine,

627
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: does a lot of things well, but there's a lot

628
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Speaker 4: more alarm bells I think with him than I even

629
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Speaker 4: thought going in this. All all these stats I looked

630
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Speaker 4: at came from when I was watching him, and I

631
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: just didn't see the aggression. I didn't see the creativity,

632
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: even though he is a good athlete. So it's kind

633
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Speaker 4: of a dichotomy when you watch him a little bit,

634
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: not just because I just want to say that word.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my view on him, like I said, Chad, you know,

636
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Speaker 3: the difference between these guys is very small. My view

637
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Speaker 3: of it is where were you at as an organization?

638
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: Because both these guys are different in many ways, But

639
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: it's all about how you want to go forward because

640
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't going to dictate how you do everything around

641
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: your organization. Where you know, I view Daniels as turn

642
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: into a Lamar type where it's like I think he

643
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: can come in and he can win. Now where if

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Speaker 3: I have the ideal scenario, I would sit in May

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Speaker 3: for a year. I just think going from facing acc

646
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: defenses to the NFL, the leap is so extreme and

647
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: it's not the same going from the SEC to the NFL.

648
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it just doesn't.

649
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: You guys talk all the time that it does help

650
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: playing the SEC when you go to face the sep

651
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: of defenses. But I am worried about all this stuff

652
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: people keep bringing up where it's like, yeah, he is

653
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: old and he was playing against you know, nineteen year

654
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: olds and he's twenty three, and it's like that is

655
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: a big deal, Like he's been around a long time,

656
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: but he also improved every year, which is also something

657
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 3: I do look for where it's like like I I

658
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: learned greatly from Joe Burrow because I really did think

659
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow was just the pieces around him. I did

660
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: think Joe Burrow was really good, but it was just

661
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: like he had the greatest lis. That team in LSU

662
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: was the greatest team ever put together, but you kind

663
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: of quickly realize, well, it actually was because of Joe.

664
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Joe made it all work.

665
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: And I kind of feel the same here with Daniel

666
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: where Daniels getting a lot of heat because he has, you know,

667
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 3: an incredible offensive line, really good bye receivers, but I

668
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: think he got that out of them, like a lot

669
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: of those ball placements. It's it is pretty impressive what

670
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: he can do. But I think everything Nate just said

671
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: so true where it's like it's radio ad organization, Like

672
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: this draft, I think whatever one of these quarterbacks does

673
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: go to in England, is that such a huge disadvantage

674
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: compared to a guy that might be going to the

675
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: Vikings or the Commanders.

676
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: It's it's literally out of this world.

677
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 4: How big of a difference is going to be that's

678
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: why I don't want to take one, right, I want

679
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: to pay some move back.

680
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: Just so, Yeah, team building perspective.

682
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: When I'm when I'm grading these quarterbacks and I put

683
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: Daniel of May was just this was in February. My

684
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: biggest thing when I first dived into it was just

685
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 3: that May did regress this season. And it is there

686
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: are factors into that he did have less talent around

687
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: him in the previous season. There's a lot of stuff

688
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: that goes into that. But that, to me is that's

689
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: where a little bit of hesitation came from. Same thing

690
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: happened with Williams. Like if you watch UFC's tapes this

691
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: season a fair to the previous year, it's it is.

692
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: It does worry you, but that's that's football. Like football,

693
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: guys have peak peak of Valley years. What we're looking

694
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: for is consistency and and all three of these quarterbacks,

695
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: I would say, they're all been very consistent.

696
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: That's why it's like it's whatever whatever flavory of the month.

697
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: Right, So the Williams debate, I think it was over

698
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: right once it came out that it's like, Okay, his

699
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: teammates do like him, he isn't this huge diva. He's

700
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: not demanding shares of the Chicago ownership. Williams is gonna

701
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: be number one pick, because that's the question there. It's

702
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: like we all know the guy's talent. Yeah, but the

703
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: debate is real at number two. Like I know, Cowherd

704
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: today came out and said from his sources he heard

705
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that it is Daniels going.

706
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: To number two to Washington.

707
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, I reached out to a bunch of guys

708
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: who you know, they're pretty well connected in Washington. Nothing's

709
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: come out yet, And to me, I don't think they

710
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: should leak it because they have the power here. If

711
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: they if they do like Daniels and they know the

712
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: Vikings or the Patriots, really one may trade to three,

713
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: like move down and take Daniels or whoever you want

714
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: to take JJ whoever it is. So yeah, I this

715
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: this is a tough draft, Chad, because I'm gonna be

716
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: ask with you.

717
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: It's it's it's one where I wish I was like

718
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Nate here. Nate is dug in.

719
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: He knows like years from now he'll be able to

720
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: go back and be like, no, May was my guy.

721
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm not that committed to Daniels I'm not really stake

722
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: my career on Daniels. The one guy that I will

723
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: say that's moved up my draft board way more than

724
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 3: I thought he would be. Not I want to hear

725
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: a Nate's view on him is Pennix like, coming out,

726
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: this dude is injury prone, he's older, Seeing like Washington

727
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: had all these great players around him, no wonder he

728
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: would be a top pick.

729
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: I talk to a lot of scouts.

730
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: They think he's gonna be in the middle of the

731
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: first round pick now you have him right out as such,

732
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: or it's just just February into April hype we're getting

733
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: here with the quarterback position I have.

734
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: I've heard like all over the place with him. I

735
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: my grade right now is like late second, early third

736
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: on him. Some of that's from age and the injury stuff. Yeah,

737
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 4: And I think my number one what I love about

738
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: him is he pushes the ball. I'm always gonna like

739
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: guys that push the ball because that's so much harder

740
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: to get a guy to do than the other way around.

741
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: I like it is like I've been I was around

742
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: Derek Carr and it scarred me. Man like it is,

743
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: so I've just like just being you have to have

744
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: that kind of trained aggression and it just go once

745
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: in a while they make a mistake and you go, hey,

746
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: brain back and just take the check down. There so

747
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 4: much better to have that. So Penix does that, and

748
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 4: Pennix will push the ball. He'll doesn't take sacks, finds

749
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: way to get rid of the ball like he doesn't.

750
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: He'll if he's pressure, he gets rid of the ball.

751
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: The thing for me is that's a good and bad thing.

752
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: Sometimes you want him extending a little bit more. It's

753
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: very robotic. It's very like, yes, move one place in

754
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 4: the pocket, one step in the pocket, the guy's not there,

755
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: I'll give rid the ball as opposed to maybe extend,

756
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: maybe throw a little sidearm. And why I keep bringing

757
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: this up is because that's a prerequisite in the NFL

758
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: to be a not just a replacement level starter, a

759
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: spots starter type, to be a legit good top twelve

760
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: ish guy, top tennish guy, Like these are the things

761
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: you kind of need. You need that throw creativity, you

762
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: need to kind of extend to make a throw to

763
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 4: because now everything's gonna be great in the NFL.

764
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: Too.

765
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: Offensive linemen are gonna be out. You're on your rookie

766
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: undrafted tight end, your offensive coordinator sucks, like you know,

767
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: like all this stuff happens, so you just have to

768
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: make it work. And so that's where I always waited

769
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 4: that Penix, to me, kind of needs a lot to operate.

770
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: If everything's fine, he has the pre snapper read right,

771
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: nobody falls down. Offensive line isn't a beat machine, just

772
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: a gun at gatlet gun out there. But to me,

773
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: it's not the creativity. He needs a bigger platform to

774
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: throw from. I've kind of kind of started comparing him

775
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: to like a diet coke Byron Left, which with a better,

776
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: better athlete.

777
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewater comparisons.

778
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another good one. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, where

779
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: they just need to they need a platform. And because

780
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: they're not going to like throw side or anything. Even

781
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: though Penix has that funky thrown style, it's the same

782
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 4: every time. So he needs that. He needs that launch

783
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: you know, that launch pad to throw from. Again, that's hard,

784
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: that's really hard in the NFL to get that all

785
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 4: the time. Goes to the Eagles, hell yeah, you know,

786
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: like he get that all the time, Like he goes

787
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: to a great offensive line. Twenty teams don't have good

788
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: offensive line.

789
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: So I I like.

790
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: Him like i've liked him, hated him, I should say

791
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: hate him, can't wait way down on him, kind of

792
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: hipster like. And then I've kind of come back up

793
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: a little bit on him, and I've kind of I've

794
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: settled into that high high end backup would be a

795
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 4: nice starter, like a good middle tier starter type, because

796
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 4: I just think some of the there are some ceiling

797
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: limitations with him, even if he's you know, because of

798
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: the odaginal all that stuff.

799
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,400
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Speaker 1: you mentioned there's a trend right now. You want guys

820
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: who've started a lot of games who aren't too old yet.

821
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: One guy on that list, JJ McCarthy. Right, we haven't

822
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: even talked about right, So give me your take. And

823
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: when you do this, there is a bet on the

824
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: board minus two hundred over four and a half quarterbacks

825
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: taken in the first round. We expect JJ McCarthy to

826
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: be one of them. He has not come up in

827
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: this conversation despite hitting that threading that needle. Of lots

828
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: of starts, young guy, Nate your take on JJ McCarthy.

829
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: Lots of starts, young guy, not a lot of throws

830
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: when you watch them. But he took forever for me

831
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: to finally like, like have my opinion because it took

832
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: me forever to watch every game to get enough where

833
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, okay, okay, I got you.

834
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: Likes him way more.

835
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: Than I thought I would going in, but still not

836
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 4: all the way there where I was like, yeah, top ten,

837
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: pick hell yeah, No, I was even saying it's rich

838
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: to go top twenty. And I'm still there. But I've understand,

839
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: I understand, and I think a lot of people have

840
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: come to the same conclusion here. It's like the Shanahan

841
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: guys are going to freaking love this guy, Like he

842
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: just does what they like. He rockets the ball over

843
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: the middle. He throws well over on the move, but

844
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: he has a loose arm. He's a pretty good athlete,

845
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 4: kind of getting overhyped, a little bit of an athlete.

846
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't believe his weight either, even though I think

847
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: his frame to grow. And he's a little younger than Daniels,

848
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: so I will give him the benefit of death that

849
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: you can put on a little bit of weight, but

850
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: all that size concerned stuff bringing it up with him

851
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: that I did with Daniels because it's only fair. But

852
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, you can. There's more room for him

853
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: for projection because some of the small things you take

854
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: away from him. I don't want to get into the

855
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: whole intangible know bs like people meetings and stuff like that.

856
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 4: But more what I've seen when I'm watching him is

857
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: they put a lot on his plate as far as

858
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: and I know Harbad does this all of his quarterbacks,

859
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: but kills and checks and different play calls and just

860
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 4: a very wordy packages that they have to be aware of.

861
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 4: And there's a sequence against Penn State that I've come

862
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 4: back to and I've talked about this before on our

863
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: podcast on the Athletic, but is I watched him backed

864
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: up against Penn State a game that he only threw

865
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: the ball like eight times, and crowds go nuts. You

866
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: can see it on the film, just all going nuts,

867
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: and he calms killing the play and changing the play.

868
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: He's communicating to each offensive line and he's signaling snapped

869
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 4: the ball handed off and it's just a handoff. It's

870
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: twenty seconds to film watching. Then the next play does

871
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: it all again. But he's so calm, And I know

872
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't want to extrapolate just those plays, but if

873
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: you watch him there's a lot of that on his film.

874
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: So I want to bring that up because I'm sure

875
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: in meetings he rocked. I'm sure quarterback coaches are if

876
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: they liked him, they're going to love him now because

877
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: like he probably all that stuff, all the whiteboard stuff,

878
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: he's going to rock because he already has exposure to that.

879
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 4: And so I've so long winded way of me saying

880
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: I like him, but I you know, top twenty is

881
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: very rich still to me, and top ten is still

882
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: rich to me. But I understand if he went too twenties,

883
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: but he's not going to go in the twenties. He's

884
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: gonna go well before that. But to me, that's where

885
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 4: I was comfortable with him. I have a second round

886
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: grade on him, inflated half a round. That's late, you know,

887
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: late first. That's where I'd be comfortable with him. My

888
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: concerns with him size already brought that up. Can't throw

889
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: left weirdly, he's got a little trubisky to him anything.

890
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: Anytime he has to push the ball throwing left, he's

891
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 4: like all of his stats just drop off a cliff.

892
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: So that is something he mechanically he has to fix.

893
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: It's just a quirk I noticed watching him and that

894
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 4: I dove into the stats. I was like, oh, this

895
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: is a thing. He goes from like sixty percent of

896
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 4: the completion percentage throwing right past ten yards, it's forty

897
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 4: throwing left. And it's a good sample size too. It's

898
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: not just a couple of throws, so it's it's a

899
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: weird thing because he overstrides and all that. He just

900
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: needs time, he needs a good situation. I wouldn't like

901
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: him with the Patriots, the Vikings, I could understand because

902
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: of their surroundings, the timeline around. Totally understand this argument

903
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: that they want to try and get him. But if

904
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: they are teams that need a lot of help and

905
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: we need a guy to be our guy right away

906
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: and put the team outs back, I have some hesitations

907
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: with that. Even if I do think he has kind

908
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: of starter qualities and I.

909
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Just want to piggyback off what he's saying.

910
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: It's he is the classic case chat of a scout

911
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: darling where he was the top recruit out of high

912
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: school into college and he went to a college playing

913
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: in a pro.

914
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: System, started a ton of games, and won a national championship.

915
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: One though it's like, yeah, it's all there, people just

916
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: talking themselves, and then all the scouts I talk to,

917
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: it's like I'm kind of on the same boat of Native,

918
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: Like I had a second round grade on him, and

919
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 3: I'm being bullied and they're making them a second a

920
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: mid tier first round pick, where it's like I don't

921
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: believe it myself, but because there is a cost premium

922
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: to the quarterback position. I again, it's not because of

923
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, but Jalen Hurts won the second around. Looking back,

924
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: he probably shouldn't ended the first round pick. I think

925
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: that's happened here with JJ where it's like his upside

926
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 3: is such they can't let him drop that late into

927
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: the ecosystems.

928
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: Changed a little bit. Yeah, how teams valued these guys? Yeah,

929
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: Eve When people are like, hey, he's only could be

930
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: the twelfth best quarter people are like, fine, we'll just

931
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: build up a round up Like it's kind of people

932
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: are trying to find different ways to win outside just

933
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: getting it. Oh give me my homes, Oh spend like

934
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: the Yankees, you know, like you know, they're trying to

935
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: find their version, and this is kind of the moneyball,

936
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: I guess is get a cheap Okay, quarterback.

937
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: When you say JJ McCarthy can't throw left, it's like

938
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: you're saying he's the Chevy Chase of European vacation. He

939
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: can't get.

940
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: Left or Zoolander.

941
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: See, guys, here's the thing. I'm on a spring break

942
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: right now, and every time I speak, my kid gives

943
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: me such a withering look that I have no place

944
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to put these dad jokes. And so sadly, you guys

945
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: have to listen to me make every dad joke I

946
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: can make. And by the way, I did let the

947
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia moment pass. But I know Matt Mitchell would

948
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: be remiss if I did not mention the time twenty

949
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: something years ago when I wrote a feature about Jeff

950
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Garcia and spent several days with him in his hometown

951
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: of Gilroy, California, for ESPN the magazine. All Right, Nate, Yeah,

952
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? Right?

953
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: I was like, it was it was probably the year

954
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: that I that he passed the threshold.

955
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: I looked at it.

956
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and one. It was two all right,

957
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: last question, But Nate, before we let you go, we've

958
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: talked all about the quarterbacks, but it's not just going

959
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: to be quarterbacks drafted in the first round. Who is

960
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: the offensive player? Who is the defensive player? We should

961
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: be thinking about that, We aren't thinking.

962
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 4: About cool to go just in the first round, I'd.

963
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Say, give me the guys you're just looking at who

964
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: aren't getting enough attention.

965
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

966
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: In certain often to lineman, there might be nine offensive

967
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 4: linement going in the first round. It's gonna be a

968
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: heavy o ligne draft.

969
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot.

970
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: Of fans faking and clapping like they know who just

971
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: got drafted, and going nuts, you know, like they showed

972
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: the little pocket of fans each time. So yeah, any

973
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: offensive linement insert there, I would say the one. Let's

974
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 4: go with Penix's teammate, Troy Fittanu. He is a left tackle,

975
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: but he could probably, I legit think he could play

976
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: all five spots on the offensive line. He's he's just

977
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 4: a technician, much better athlete than he got credit for,

978
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: which he showed at the combine, longer arms he got

979
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: credit for. He's a Vegas guy as well, so I

980
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: gotta give that a shout out. But yeah, he's one

981
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: guy and really just I would say another offensive line

982
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: was Christian Haynes from Yukon. I've been kind of like

983
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: it bang beating his drum a little bit. But yeah,

984
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: if we want to go skill position, let's go maybe

985
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: sneak in the first round. Adie Mitchell, I think for

986
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: sure he's a first rounder at this point if he

987
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: passed the character stuff from Texas. But a fan of

988
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: his little consistent stat profile a little concerning, but he

989
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 4: moves and does things that number one guys do, and

990
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: that is sometimes worth a bet. If you're like the Chiefs,

991
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: we're the Bills, and you need a guy and you

992
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 4: don't usually get a chance of these types of guys.

993
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: He's the type of guy that can maybe stake defense. Oh,

994
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: Cooper dejan just tested Quinnon Mitchell. The Cats out the

995
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: bag about him, so I can't really bring him up.

996
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: Oh.

997
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 4: Michael Hall, defensive tackle Ohio State, been banging his drama

998
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: a little bit. He's they State had so many defensi alignments,

999
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: so they rotated a bunch, So he's kind of like

1000
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: a He's very young. I think he's only twenty at

1001
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 4: this point. We'll turn twenty one just before the season.

1002
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: Kind of a small set. I'm extrapolating a lot here,

1003
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: but a small sample sized Wonder tested really well, does

1004
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: a lot of things that I like, gap shooting, kind

1005
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: of three tech. So he's a guy to watch out.

1006
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: Mike higher than I think people are considering right now.

1007
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: I was pretty high on my big board, but I

1008
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 4: think the secrets out on him too. Really sexy, right

1009
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: Gambling show talks, some defensive line talk, some offensive guards

1010
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: from you.

1011
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait for people to freak

1012
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: out when the Chargers take Joe all with the top

1013
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: five picks.

1014
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 4: You hear them triggering the news all the Chargers coaches

1015
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 4: one after another, going we value offensive line. They're like

1016
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: trying to like bracing the fan base, Like.

1017
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: We're telling you guys, everybody know, do not get too excited.

1018
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: That'll be the classic harrorball pick. Like he's just up there,

1019
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: grit his teeth, doesn't want to please anybody that's going

1020
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: to make this pick. Screw everybody else.

1021
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, I know. I think the fools are the

1022
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: people thinking they who go brock Bauers or like or

1023
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: dude's a or something like that, who are awesome. But no,

1024
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: it's look at every Harbaugh team since the Golf War

1025
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 4: it's been just like just freaking line play and running

1026
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 4: the freaking ball.

1027
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: That's what they do.

1028
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: So he's going to get an offensivelignment, all right.

1029
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,680
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