1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Almost Famous listeners, we love you so much. You've 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: been so good to us for the last I don't 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: know decade, and we're so thankful for your support, your involvement. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: And we have something really fun that we're gonna do 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: for the first time. And there's not a lot of 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: firsts on the show, Ashley's there's a very few things 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: that we can do for the first time, but this 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: is the first time we're doing an Almost Famous Awards. 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: We're looking back at Bachelor history, Bachelor and Bachelorette history, 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: and voting upon some of the most iconic, most epic, 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: most memorable moments in the franchise. 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 3: Yes, so some of these categories include the worst line 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: ever said, the biggest villain, the best makeout, best love 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: triangle in Paradise, Favorite Bachelorette. We got a lot of 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: categories and it's very fun. It's you know, multiple choice, 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: so you don't have to come with anything from the 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: top of your head. Because so voting is going to 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: be open for the next thirty days, so you can 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: cast your votes now. How to cast your vote? Listen carefully, 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: go to our socials. It's at almost underscore famous on Instagram. 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: And then you're going to find the link to cast 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: your vote on our website. You do have to enter 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: your email address. That way we can make sure the 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: votes are legit and they're not from bots. And along 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: the way, we'll be bringing you some conversations with the nominees. 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: We will reveal your winners after voting has closed. Ben, 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: why don't you and I do one category vote together 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: right now? 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Deal, I'm in it again. Voting is open for the 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: next thirty days, so cast your votes now. Don't forget 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: about it. Here's how this happens. You are going to 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: close out the podcast. You're gonna be like, oh, vote 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: tonight when life is less busy, and you're gonna forget 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: and so go right away. It's easy cast your votes, Ashley. 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: I think you get to pick a cat. I'll pick 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: a category. I'm gonna pick for you to answer the 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: best love triangle? 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: Okay, best love triangle in Paradise? Would it be Dean, 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: Christina and Danielle ll That was a good one, Cat, 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: John Henry and Olivia. No, scratch that out. Nobody's thinking 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: about that one. Blake Hortsman Christina Kaylin. Then you're gonna 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: squeeze in Hannah Godwin and Dylan in there. I wouldn't 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: say that. I would say it's really between Blake and 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: Christina and Kaylen. This good one. I'm gonna say probably 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: Blake's because Blake's was fiery. Blake's love Triangle got people 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 3: freaking talking and mad. What do you vote? 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: I'll go Blake's too. I do think it's the most 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: memorable to me. And it lasted the longest, meaning it 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: like lasted outside of paradise. 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: It felt like exactly it's. 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: The best or the worst, but it was something. 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: Okay, wait, okay, let's go with this one. Let's just 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: play one more category. Best facial expressions. Does it go 56 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: to me? Does it go to Hakim? Does it go 57 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: to Justin Glaze or McKenna Dorn. McKenna I was from 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: Pilot Pede season. If you guys don't remember, she had 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: good facial expressions. But I'm gonna give this to Justin Glaze. 60 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: I think he's the most famous for his bugged out 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,559 Speaker 3: eyes and big, massive expressions. 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: It's got to be Justin Glaze. I mean, I think, honestly, 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: it goes Justin Hakeem than You, the McKenna. It's gonna 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: be fun. Tons of categories, tons of moments. Just I 65 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: enjoyed looking back on some of these categories, remembering some 66 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: of these iconic moments. So make sure you go to 67 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: our social media click on the link, fill out your votes. 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: You have thirty days to do. 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: It, all right. Well, before we jump into the recap 70 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: for the week, I would like to say thank you 71 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: Ben for taking over for me for a lot recently, 72 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: a lot. You did so many interviews I'm not I'm 73 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: glad that you will be having your vacation in a 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: week and you're going for two weeks. You go to Allah. 75 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: I only get a week off because I got to 76 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: fly back to do some stuff in Los Angeles for 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: the almost famous podcast Secrets, Secrets. 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: Secrets, What do you mean? Secrets? All? Okay, Well, I 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: would again love to be there and you'll find out 80 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: so long I'm not there, And thank you for taking 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: over for my vacation week. It was so fun. We 82 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: got to do a little collab with the Royal Caribbean. 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: It was the craziest, coolest. I think it was probably 84 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: the coolest opportunity I've had since being on the show, 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: you know, besides like you know, like besides like having 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: a child from the show and getting there the show. 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: I mean like an actual partnership opportunity. 88 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: Actually, I talked about you in my executive coaching session 89 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: today based on your Royal Caribbean experience. 90 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: Was it executive? Really? 91 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was talking about how fair it is that 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: you're having so much fun and you seem to have 93 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: taken a two month vacation from the almost famous podcast. 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 2: Why I have grinded here and then I'm just feeling 95 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: a lot of inks towards you. 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: I actually I feel like you do have thanks starts 97 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: to me, to be quite honest. 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: Why would you feel that way? What have I done 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: to make you feel that way? 100 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: Saying what you just said? 101 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: No, I have zero inks towards you. On some other comments, 102 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: what did I say I'm so stuck out offline? 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, you know what? You know? 104 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: What? You know? 105 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: What you did? 106 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: I have actually zero idea? 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no. Are you happy, Ben? 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm very happy. I have zero inks towards you. I 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: know that your life is different right now, and I 110 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: have a complete understanding that. 111 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: No. 112 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: I was talking about it because I said, I was 113 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: watching your Instagram stories and it was bringing me back 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: to my teenage years on a cruise ship and feeling 115 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: a freedom and an adventure and an enjoyment that I 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: haven't felt in a long time. And I was talking 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: to him about finding that again an adulthood, and then 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: I am, I'm getting ready to go on a vacation, 119 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: and I'm excited for it. But vacations as an adult 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: have felt so different. Not I understand that I'm not 121 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: a kid anymore. It's not as magical. But I really 122 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: don't relax on vacation. I haven't so long because it 123 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: feels like other things going on. 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: Anyways, I agree, I understand that I feel like you can't. 125 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: I don't know this last time I like truly truly relaxed, 126 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: but like had fun. Always can tell you when I 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: last had fun. But I feel like as an adult, 128 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: you just always have something in the back of your 129 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: mind that's saying you should be doing this. You got 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: to get this done. 131 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really exactly. And so I was watching your 132 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: Instagram stories and I was going, goodness, this looks fun. 133 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: It looks fun for Ashley and Jared and the family 134 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: and the kids and I. It just reminded me of 135 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: what I've missed. It was nothing more. There was no anks, 136 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: there's no anger. There is no angst or anger in 137 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: my heart towards you at all. 138 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: I understand your situation taking over a lot lately. I 139 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: feel a lot of guilt. 140 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: Sorry maybe yeah, maybe maybe you feel you're feeling guilty. 141 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: I get that too. But yeah, it looked awesome. I 142 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: was in Tahoe, Ashley since the last time we spoke 143 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: with a lot of Golden and also current cast members 144 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: or like from like more recent episodes of The Bachelor 145 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: and Bachelorette. We had a really great time. That interviews 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: are coming out kind of as we speak, so make 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: sure you tune into the Almost Famous thread to listen 148 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: to those. 149 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: Hey, Ben, before we move on, would you like to 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: go on a cruise with us? 151 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: I would always love to go on a cruise with you. 152 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: I'd just like to see you again. Quite honestly, it's 153 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: it's been a long time since I've got I've gone 154 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: on a lot of trips for the Almost Famous podcast 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: without Ashley. At this point, it is making me sad. 156 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: It is I we don't like that. I don't like 157 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: that at all. Ben, why don't you go to the 158 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: Jonas Broller thing with us in September. He's like, no, 159 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: that's my time off. Yeah, that's your trip. 160 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's dive into this week's episode. It's 161 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: great to have you. Actually, we're recapping Bachelor in Paradise. 162 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: It's episode seven. This episode brings out a lot of emotions, 163 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: a lot of questions. But let's start with just kind 164 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: of breaking down the first part of the episode. We 165 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: see a lot of people kind of hanging out at 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: this resort, Ashley. I mentioned last week when we broke 167 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: down the episode, the resort is making more sense to 168 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: me now. It is starting to like I'm understanding where 169 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: the rooms are and where the bar is. It feels 170 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: like a lot of people are spending their time kind 171 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: of huddled around the bar. We don't get as much 172 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: beach scene, which makes. 173 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: Me saying, hangs out on the beach. 174 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: I like the beach. I like seeing people doing that. 175 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: It's not happening during this season with this current setup. 176 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: But I am starting to understand it more. I'm actually 177 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: starting to get into the quality of the camera work. 178 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: Now I'm following along with storylines better. I said I 179 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: am still not sold on the money. I don't know 180 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: if I'm as against it as I once was, because 181 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be a factor quite honestly. It 182 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: just kind of seems to be this like looming thing 183 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: that everybody knows exists, but it hasn't. We haven't necessarily 184 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: seen it affect relationships, I think until this week. 185 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this episode started to feel like Bachelor Pad. 186 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: I've never watched Bachelor Pad, but it felt more about 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: competition to me than it felt about love. And it 188 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: really made clear to me that there's nobody living here 189 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: together engaged. I don't even think engagement is really on 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: the table, to be honest. Interesting, I don't think like 191 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: it's never been mentioned, and there's never been anything teased 192 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: with a ring box or a kneel down as we 193 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: usually see. Yeah, I didn't not like this episode. I 194 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: just started to feel like, Okay, this is more about 195 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: gameplay now less about love, and maybe it works for 196 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: a season like this where I don't see a lot 197 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: of actual coupling happening. Spencer and Jess barely ever get shown. 198 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: You would think that they didn't even exist in this cast, 199 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: and as far as the editing. I'm wondering whether or 200 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: not they've taken some feedback from the audience because they 201 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: because it does feel slower to me, it seems less flashy. 202 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if they're just trying to match it 203 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: to the tone of the storyline, but it seems definitely 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: less like modern and then interesting tidbit factoid that I 205 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: didn't pick up on until our producer mentioned it, but 206 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: they have this song almost Paradise in the slow, original 207 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: traditional sense the beginning of this episode and not their 208 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 3: little rematch. 209 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they're changing things up. You can tell 210 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: the pace is slowing, storylines are easier to follow. I 211 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: don't know the reasoning, but I do know from our 212 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: feedback from the listeners of the almost Famous podcast, people 213 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: desired for it just change, maybe to modernize, but not 214 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: to make the drastic changes it did. It was unrecognizable. 215 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: This episode really starts, I think when Wells and We're 216 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: reminded that Hannah Brown is still in Costa Rica, to 217 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: which I'm like. 218 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: Are Hannah and Wells pissed that they are there? Because 219 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: that's a lot of time dedication to be somewhere where 220 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: you're not getting much airtime. 221 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: I mean they're really getting at this point, Wells is 222 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: getting a few seconds on TV. Hannah's getting less than that. 223 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 2: I mean, goodness, gracious, I had forgot that she was 224 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: in Costa Rica, in Paradise until they showed up. They 225 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: met everybody and told the cast to meet Jesse in 226 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: the secret garden. This is going to be a relationship 227 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: test of the week. The test is explained to us 228 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: like this. There's a lot of couples going on. There's 229 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: gonna be questions asked, and people are going to ask 230 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: us answer these questions in secret. The people that match 231 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: the most will get a chance to meet each other 232 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: in a secret rendezvous, but also get to meet each 233 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: other kind of in the middle of this game in private. 234 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: Nobody else will know who's there and who's not there 235 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: to see if they actually want to date each other. 236 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. This game doesn't work. It doesn't. It 237 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: doesn't epically fails for the show because anybody there at 238 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: this point is coupled up. They're committed. They're also not 239 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: going to be stepping out. This is not perfect match, 240 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: this is not Love Island. 241 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: Didn't feel like they were trying to be perfect magic. 242 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: Maybe it's because it was fresh in my head as 243 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 3: we recapped out this week too. 244 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's only so many types of games that 245 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: I think they could play to pull off what they 246 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: wanted to do. I think they wanted to see if 247 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: there was a couple that would switch. I think they 248 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: were thinking about the Alicia and Dales, the cat and 249 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Dale's I wanted to see. I think they tried to 250 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: create a love triangle of senses and then just backfired. 251 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: It didn't work. The only reason it worked was because 252 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: Brian and Bailey got to discuss something. 253 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, in a backhanded way, it worked. Okay, I have 254 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: to put you on to these leggings I've been obsessed 255 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: with lately. They're from this brand called Tona, and get this, 256 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: the designer behind them also created Lulu Lemon, so they 257 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: know what they're doing. These leggings are next level. I 258 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: think butterysoft, super flattering, and very comfortable. 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Like it's like, hey, like 280 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: I'm feeling your feel let's let's do what we want 281 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: to do. There's not like a there's not like a 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: couple hours that we can just be like, hey, do 283 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: you mind going to put your nurse outfit on? 284 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: Like I'm sorry, I didn't know it was like a 285 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: normal thing, not that it's abnormal, but everybody just wrote 286 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: it down like oh duhah, do do do? And I'm like, oh, okay, 287 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: I never never done that. 288 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Actually, if you asked the contestants, they'd be like, yeah, 289 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: I didn't really think about like I was like just 290 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: coming up with something what's sexier? 291 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: Like I would be like, okay, I get I get 292 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: the teacher student sexiness. 293 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: But there's so many better questions. 294 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I must explore this relationship because he and 295 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: I both want to be a teacher student. 296 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: They weren't questions that even hinted at compatibility exactly. There 297 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: were questions that mostly related to preference, but half of 298 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: relationship is understanding your partner's preferences and adapting and then 299 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: adapting tears. It's not compatibility questions. These were framed as, hey, 300 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: we're going to get to know what couples are really 301 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: into it, like really would work and not work. The 302 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: questions that were asked were, we're not pointing us in 303 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: that direction at all. It gave me no insight into 304 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: who would work better with another partner. So this game, 305 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: for what it was, I do think try was attempting 306 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: to do something that didn't work out for them, but 307 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: it did bring us one thing that was interesting. It 308 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: did bring us an opportunity for Brian and Bailey to 309 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: have a conversation. 310 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: It sure did, And this is the basis for basically 311 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: the entire episode. 312 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: It stretches on for so long it does. 313 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: We knew that it would come. We knew that this 314 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: would be the big drama when they did show us 315 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: the hidden camera footage in which Jeremy confided to Brian 316 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: that he basically called Susie in the interview room that 317 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: he had regrets about not keeping Susie over Bailey, and 318 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: he even made comments about getting down on one knee 319 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: if Susie were to come back. Now, let's just kind 320 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: of handle this as a whole conversation about going through 321 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 3: like any bitty details. He definitely did say that he 322 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: would propose to Susie. Was in a joking way, yeah, 323 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: but he denied it in this episode. 324 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: I think you're hinting on probably the biggest issue that 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: there's just too much lying. I think this whole episode 326 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: was wrapped around with nobody telling the truth, and that's 327 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 2: why it stretched out for as long as it did. 328 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: I think that's why the show had the show so 329 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: much of the back and forth At some point, I 330 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: was hoping that Wells Jesse Hannah would just step in 331 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: and be like, hey guys, just to let you all know, 332 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: nobody's telling the truth here, like it would make a 333 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: lot more sense everybody. Somebody just told the truth. But 334 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: Jeremy's lying, Brian's lying, Dale's somehow speaking wisdom and truth 335 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: into the situation, and he feels like he's saying nothing 336 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: that's gonna be my. 337 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: I was so confused when Dale was talking because I 338 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: was like, Dale, who are you trying to protect here? 339 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: And then I figured out that they were trying to 340 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: protect Jeremy and saying that Brian was being the bad guy. 341 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: Now listen, not a fan of Brian or Jeremy. Both 342 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: of them skied me out in certain ways. Sometimes Brian, 343 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: especially in the last episode, where he was like, excuse me, 344 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: you're complimenting me too much and you over communicate. I 345 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: needed to cut down on that. I was like, oh 346 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: my god, this guy sept red flags everywhere. And then Jeremy, 347 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: we all know Jeremy the thing, particularly this one, you 348 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: know him keeping the fact that he hadn't way more 349 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 3: interested in Susie than he led on to Bailey for 350 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: a long time, and that he never came clean about it, 351 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: and now Jeremy is basically pretended he is he lying. Yes, 352 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: I think he's lying. He's he says that he, you know, 353 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: basically is very happy with Bailey, and all those Susie 354 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: comments they happened, but they were in the past. However, 355 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 3: he still denies the engagement thing. What's your take on that? 356 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: What do you think? Do you think that Jeremy is 357 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: is lying to just kind of like keep in good 358 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: graces with Bailey or do you think that he has 359 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: developed stronger feelings over the past week or so. 360 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: I actually think it's a different question. Okay, I don't 361 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: think Brian did anything wrong. 362 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: No, No, we're all good there for sure. 363 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: So do I think that Jeremy and Bailey have grown together? 364 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I have seen enough for me 365 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: to say it. 366 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: Also, you'd have hesitance about Jeremy's honesty throughout it all, 367 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: because even when Susie was in the picture, he did 368 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: genuinely seem into Bailey, but then he said on the 369 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 3: hidden camera stuff like, oh she's nice, but I want Susie. 370 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 3: So basically I don't trust anything Jeremy says okay, and 371 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: then there's the Brian thing. 372 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: I'm with Wells here now, same same. I don't know 373 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: how much the audience will be with Wells or not 374 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: on this. It seems like to me, you know, Dale, 375 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: I think had a quote that said, you put yourselves 376 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: in the crosshairs of a situation that would probably have 377 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: been talked about tomorrow. I don't know why he thinks 378 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: it would have been confronted tomorrow. I have no idea 379 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: on why one more extra day would have then brought 380 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: this to light. 381 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: Hey, this is what Dale used on CAT a couple 382 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: weeks ago. He's like, why did you deliver this news 383 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: to me? 384 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: Now? 385 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: Couldn't you just waited a day have some tact woman 386 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 3: And it's like, now he's doing the same thing to Brian. 387 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: It seems like the timing is not ideal in Dale's 388 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: mind for anything. Do I love that Brian told Bailey directly, Yes. 389 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: I don't think he had to go through Jeremy for this. 390 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: What was Jeremy going to say, Oh, yeah, you know what, 391 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: please do go tell Bailey about my infatuation with Susie. No, Brian, 392 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: I don't know his reasoning. I don't know his intentions 393 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: to wanting to do this, But I do know that 394 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: if you give him the benefit of the doubt, he 395 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: was feeling like, hey, this relationship is growing. I like 396 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: Bailey and it feels like Jeremy is not in it 397 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: and she's just growing stronger feelings. And if I was Bailey, 398 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: I would want to know if that was his reasoning. Okay, 399 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: so he tells Bailey. Ultimately it works out. Brian Bailey's 400 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: now in the No, She's not gonna have to watch 401 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: it back and get you know, understand this happens. You know, 402 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: when she watches on National TV, her and Jeremy are 403 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: able to have a legitimate conversation where there lies in 404 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: that sure, but they were able to work through it 405 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: and stay together. I don't understand this bro code thing. 406 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: Bro Code to me is mostly something when I come 407 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: to you with a vulnerability of hey, I'm feeling a 408 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: certain way and I know I don't want to be 409 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: feeling this way, or I'm hurting, or hey I'm kind 410 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: of messed up in the head. Can I speak to 411 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: you about something? Can I confide in you about something? 412 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: And then if that trust is broken, when I come 413 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: to you with a vulnerability I would be upset. Maybe 414 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: that is what is getting hinted at here. It feels 415 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: like to me, Jeremy just continued to share with everybody 416 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: but Bailey that he was still into Susie or he 417 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: was into Susie, and the whole house knew it except Bailey. 418 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: That's when it doesn't feel right to me, And yet 419 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: Brian is the one that is getting absolutely crushed here. 420 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: I am confused, like Wells is, as to the why 421 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: is it because everybody else, like Cat, says something along 422 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: the lines of is he you know? How do I 423 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: know he's not gonna stab me in the back. Well, 424 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: you would know that if you did anything that would 425 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: be wrong. But Cas, up to this point, I don't 426 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: know anything that you've done that he could even remotely 427 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: use against you. Jeremy was doing something that made the 428 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: whole house feel uncomfortable at one point in time, and 429 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: Bailey was unfamiliar with it. That's why that was brought 430 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: to the surface. 431 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: I was like questioning my moral compass the entire time 432 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: until finally, like thirty minutes into this big group discussion, 433 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: well says, I'm really confused what's going on here? Because 434 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Brian is trying to be the good 435 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: guy and all of them are defending the bad guy here, 436 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: and yeah, just that's that is what is happening. And 437 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: I think that if you were to take this situation 438 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: into another Bachelor in Paradise season, the cast would basically 439 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: be like, so, guys, when do we tell? When do 440 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: we tell Bailey? And instead in this cast they're like, 441 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: all right, we all know, let's all not tell Bailey 442 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: until Jeremy decides to do it. Obviously, Jeremy is just 443 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: the person that they like more than Brian in the situation, 444 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: and they were trying to protect him, I think. But 445 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: I certainly had moments where I was just like am 446 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: I supposed to? Especially when Andrew was like, yeah, dude, 447 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: you broke ro code? I was like, Andrew, Andrew too, 448 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: have I lost my morals? 449 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: I think there is a lot at stake here. I 450 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: do think they see Press and Brian as a strong couple. 451 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: They have been a strong couple for a while. That 452 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: could be coming into it where there is the competition aspect. 453 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: I also do wonder how much of it does play 454 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: into who do we like more? Who do we want 455 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: to hang out with more? And you know, it could 456 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: be that it's the Jeremy thing. I also believe it's 457 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: a little bit of group thing. I think enough of 458 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: the group got ahead of it. I I think Brian 459 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: did himself a disservice by not being an adult and saying, yes, 460 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: I told Bailey. I think he actually would have. 461 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there was that weird lie. 462 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: I think the I think the lying made people feel 463 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: like there was deception, and I think deception made people 464 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: hesitant to support Brian well, and so I do think 465 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: that comes into it. And it kind of just got 466 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: mixed up where everybody got against team Brian because Brian 467 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: had when their minds lied to them and he did, 468 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: and then he played, you know, confused and I didn't 469 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 2: say anything, No, it was the girls. He was blaming others, 470 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 2: the girls that I'm mad at him. So I do 471 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: think he backed himself into this situation. I don't think 472 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: Brian was right and his lying to the group, But 473 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: if you break it all down, you take a step back, 474 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: you're like, what did he do that was wrong? That's 475 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: the question ultimately outside of lying, which is wrong, but 476 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: in the situation by telling Bailey, what did he do 477 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: there that was wrong? Is it against Broke. I don't 478 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: know what bro code is. It feels like he was 479 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: trying to ultimately be the one to fall on the sword, 480 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: to tell her something that was happening that would hurt 481 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: her ultimately at some point. Do I ever think during Bachelor, Bachelorette, 482 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: Bachelor in Paradise that you, you know, falling on the sword 483 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: or being the justice warrior here is always a very 484 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: difficult place to be. 485 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: Touchy thing in Bachelor world. Yeah, yeah, I guess what 486 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: they wanted him to do, in an ideal sense, would 487 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: be to go to Jeremy be like, Hey, I've given 488 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: you a week to say something to Bailey, you know, 489 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: and I'm trying. I'm worried for her. You know, we're 490 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 3: getting deep into this. I think it's time for you 491 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: to say something, and if you don't say something, she's 492 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: going to find out some through one of us. 493 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 2: I think he got tired of him not saying anything 494 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: to anybody, and as a result, he felt like he 495 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: had to speak up. It just gets back and forth 496 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 2: for a while. Well, Ashley, what I want to bring 497 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: up for conversation is everybody's responses. Obviously, Dale steps into 498 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: this very quickly and becomes kind of I guess a 499 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: listening board for both Jeremy and Brian here. It felt 500 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: like Dale was always kind of he said something to 501 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: Brian in the sense of, I'm I didn't think you'd 502 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: do this because you have a better character than that. 503 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: He said to Brian at the bar, like you wouldn't 504 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: say anything to Jeremy or to Bailey because you have 505 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: more character than that. It felt at that point Dale 506 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: knew Brian had said something, and he was just saying 507 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 2: that to like kind of jab him a little bit. 508 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: It was kind of like what he said to Kat 509 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, where it's like, we've got 510 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 3: we were raised different ways. Nothing's right or wrong because 511 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: we were raised different ways, you know, it was raised 512 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: like that. So and then I also want to mention 513 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 3: how when Brian did sit down with Bailey, why why 514 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: did she have to pull it out of him? He 515 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 3: was like, hey, can I talk to you? And then 516 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: they sit down and it's like he just didn't talk. 517 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Brian's in the right here. I don't 518 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: know if he communicated anything correctly. He was hesitant, he 519 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: was obviously nervous. I think he knew he was stepping 520 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: on a landmine when it came to the house, and 521 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 2: what kind of damage just could cause. He was taking 522 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: a risk. I want to believe his intentions were right, 523 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: but I don't know if they were. I don't know 524 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: if he was doing it just to cause chaos or 525 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: if he really felt like, hey, I need to let 526 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: Bailey know. I think the better move here would have 527 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: been for one of the girls to be the one 528 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 2: to say something. I think it always comes you know, 529 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: the message is received better, and then there's a comfort 530 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: that's able to be giving when in situations like this. 531 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: If Brian would have gone to Paris and said, hey, Parisa, 532 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: I got your back. I feel uncomfortable being in this situation, 533 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: but you or Alex, can you say some thing to 534 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: baby like Alex, Yeah, it's necessary at this point, and 535 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: maybe talking about it as a group. I think it's 536 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: always good in these situations to get other people's opinions. 537 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: It does feel like and this is a part that 538 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: makes me a little nervous. Brian was pretty sold out 539 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 2: on telling Bailey now for about you know, for a 540 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: long time on the show, he was kind of convinced, 541 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to go tell her but this is the 542 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: situation that lastes through the show. It does feel like 543 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: the house is against Brian, and we have other storylines 544 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: that are existing within the house at the time, really 545 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: around Captain Kim and Faith. They can't stop touching each 546 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: other making out. I think it's adorable. It doesn't feel 547 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: like other people in the house are feeling the same way. 548 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: They are the only actual romantic Golden couple physically speaking, 549 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: and people are denying that there is anything there which 550 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: I'm interested about. What do you think Faith would allow 551 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: him to touch her like that if she wasn't actually 552 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: feeling it back. 553 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: I think they one hundred percent are into each. 554 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: Other really, So what's the denial here? 555 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand where they rub people 556 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: the wrong way. It obviously is something that we haven't 557 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: seen at this point. It might have been Kim. You know, 558 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: there was some hints at hey, he's bounced around, so weird, Yeah, 559 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: to any woman that gave him attention, and Faith finally did, 560 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: and so he's into it. You know at this point though, 561 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: as you're a Golden it's like bounce around to anybody. 562 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: It's going to give you attention and see what sticks 563 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: You're obviously into her, you are caring for her well 564 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: and you but you guys are are doing some wild 565 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: I mean, these are some of those steamiest makeout sessions 566 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: we've seen all season for anybody. 567 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: So this comes to the Rose ceremony, it is the 568 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: two of the two of them actually get voted off, 569 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: which I was surprised because I thought it was pretty 570 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: clear that if we were going to eliminate a golden couple, 571 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: it should have been Kathy and Keith, because there's no romance, 572 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: no romance there that self described friends. So it's it 573 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. And that's where I started kind 574 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: of getting annoyed with this like competition format, because it's 575 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: it is actually about teammates now, and like sometimes teammates 576 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: can be romantically linked, but like also sometimes not, so 577 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: like we're actually putting the show is putting it technically, 578 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: technically putting these people in a position in which you 579 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: could win the whole thing without actually being in love. 580 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: Do I think that's gonna happen. No, I think they'll 581 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: find ways around that. But with the rules as we 582 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: know right now, it's like Leah and Jonathan could technically 583 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: win as they did win the compatibility test. 584 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I do. I think there is going to 585 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: be I think there's a good chance somebody that's not 586 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: that into each other romantically could win this season. I 587 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: don't think the show is going to stop it. I 588 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: do think we're seeing Bachelor and Paradise change before our eyes, 589 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: away from a love story to more of a competition. 590 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: And that's why you don't see as many comp dates 591 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: or moments where people use a famous Bachelor line. This 592 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: is a perfect place for me to fall in love. 593 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: Love is not is not the focal point of Bachelor 594 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: in Paradise. Now, We're we prepared for that. Do we 595 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: want that? As fans? I particularly, I don't really care, honestly, 596 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: because I like Paradise for its chaos and for its messiness. 597 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: And then I always knew with the old format of 598 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: Paradise that some couples were going to come from it, 599 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: and I always like that. But in the midst of that, 600 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: I liked the the other stuff sometimes more. 601 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like that's what I'm saying. If they do 602 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: have two people there that are meant to be together, 603 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: that'll be so awesome and they'll be together, which is 604 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: probably what's going to happen with Justin Spun But I 605 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 3: just don't think like their the whole end game of 606 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 3: the show is going to be about engagement, and maybe 607 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: they just didn't think they had a lot of actual 608 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: couplings that could have happened, and they're like, you know, 609 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 3: let's just put a backup plan. And that was the 610 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 3: competition and the money, which were still still kind of 611 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: don't know, like is it just going to keep being whoever? 612 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: Is that the last row ceremony? Like, we're you just 613 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: cute eliminating the way that we've been eliminating right now, 614 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: because it just seems like that's going to take weeks 615 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: and weeks. I mean, we have like four or five 616 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: more episodes left. 617 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: It would work four or five more episodes and we 618 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: do an elimination each week. The numbers make sense. 619 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: Actually they do. 620 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: Here's Ashley my theory. You want to hear a theory. 621 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: I have no backing for it. And the show is 622 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: realizing that more current contestants are not as popular as 623 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: maybe past contestants, right, You're yeah, you look back on 624 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: like the Hannah Godwins and the Kalin's and the Deans 625 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: and the Blakes and some people from Paradise of a 626 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: few years ago, and obviously you would get in that, 627 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: but you were Paradise really early on Paradise of a 628 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: few years ago. You have some people that are very 629 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: recognizable and doing some great things. I wonder if as 630 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: they slowly transition away from the love focus, we're going 631 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: to get back to maybe more of a bachelor Pads 632 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: type show where some of these married couples, people contestants 633 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: that have been married could still go and be a 634 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: part of the show and compete without love being the focus. 635 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: Because they need to get some of those names back. 636 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: They need to bring back some of the people that 637 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: are in relationship now and have kids. But would bring 638 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 2: viewers to say, yeah, I want to watch that person again. 639 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 3: Well, you know the spin off that I've always wanted, 640 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: the couples competing together and challenges. 641 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: I love it. That would be awesome to watch, and 642 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 2: I would love to see some familiar faces of the 643 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: past come back. I'd love to see the Andrew Firestones 644 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: and the Bob Guineas competing against a Trista Sutter's similar 645 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: to what we were doing in Tahoe this last weekend 646 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: at the almost Famous Gathering where Trista Sutter and Ryan 647 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: Sutter won the pickleball tournament. Not shocking there, not shocking 648 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: at all, not shocking by any sort of the imagination. 649 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: Bob Guiney competed, He competed hard. I had Dianna Stagliano 650 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: as my partner. We competed hard, we fought hard, we 651 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: had a blast. We just didn't win. Anyways, that's a 652 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: side note, Hey, Ashley, Paradise ends like this. Kim goes 653 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: home and they, like you said, fairly shocking elimination. Kim 654 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: and Faith are walking out the door. They commit to 655 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: maybe trying something outside of Paradise. I would be shocked 656 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: if they didn't. If they don't, then it makes me 657 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: think that, yes, this was never a thing, but it 658 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: seemed like they're very hot and heavy. 659 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 3: They're also both from Washington State, so why not try 660 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 3: to make it work? Now? Listen, the one thing from 661 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 3: the scene to the next episode that really got me 662 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 3: was the line I don't know who said it, but goes, 663 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: why don't we just try to start eliminating the strongest couples? 664 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: And I go so, So that's a real gameplay right there, 665 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 3: and that would make it not very paradise. That would 666 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: truly make it not very bachelory. 667 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think we're seeing it evolve transition. 668 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: You might like it, you might not. I know there's 669 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: mixed reviews, but it does seem like people who are 670 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: sticking around to watch the show are buying into this 671 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: new format. They're excited about it. It is like a 672 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: it's a leveled down Perfect Match, It's a level down 673 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 2: Love Island. It's getting more and more in that realm 674 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: without maybe having the like straddling scenes that we see 675 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: during those kind of netflixy shows. Ashley. Some strong couples 676 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: still today, Alex and Andrew Dale Kat, I guess you 677 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 2: could say, are strong. We don't see a lot from 678 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 2: them this episode. Obviously Jesse and Spencer, who are still 679 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: there living their best life at the resort without having 680 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: any screen time at all. Andrew and Alex obviously, and 681 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 2: we still have Kathy Keith, who have no romantic connection 682 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 2: but enjoy having a cocktail together and looking at the sunset, 683 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 2: which I think sounds fantastic. Brian and Prisa, Sean and Alicia, 684 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: we don't see. I think the one big takeaway from 685 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: me this episode is we just don't see any other 686 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: couples we don't know where any other couple stand after 687 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 2: this episode more than that they still exist together. But 688 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: there's no storyline that dominates this episode more than the 689 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: Parsa Brian, Bailey and Jeremy conversations. 690 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, which was interesting and it came out, and we'll 691 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: see whether this is done, because I don't know that 692 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 3: it's done. I think Bailey still needs to find a 693 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 3: little bit more out about Jeremy. She's being very trusting 694 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: and very forgiving, like she said, and is that gonna 695 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: hurt her in the long run. I'm not sure. 696 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, she wouldn't be wrong to say, hey, 697 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 2: this feels messy to me, but there are still five 698 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 2: hundred and I know she says the money's not the problem, 699 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: and I'm cool going home and just saying goodbye to 700 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 2: the money. But if you sleep on it for one 701 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 2: night and you wake up the next morning, you're like, hey, 702 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 2: I could stick around and still have a chance to 703 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: win a half a million dollars, And just like in 704 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: this thing, I don't think she'd be wrong to consider 705 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: it at this point. With this format, it's not a 706 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: judgment call now on if you're into the relationship or not. 707 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't have that feeling. I'm not saying, hey, you're 708 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 2: tricking this person. If she is not into it and 709 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: just wants stick around for the money. I think that's gameplay, 710 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 2: and I think this format is setting people up to 711 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 2: have strategy and gameplay more than anything we're ever familiar 712 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: with from Paradise. 713 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: I think that is a very good point, and that's 714 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 3: sleep on It comment that really resonated. I feel like 715 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: you can get a lot of clarity in those moments, 716 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 3: and one of those alreaties could be Hey, I like him, 717 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 3: I'd like to hang out with him here, and if 718 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 3: the chance of the money comes, then heck. 719 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 720 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 3: Well guys, we love you, we're grateful for you, and 721 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 3: we will see you for next recap next week, and 722 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: until then, we will have other episodes coming out for 723 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: you all week long. Bye, I've been Ashley, Bye, and 724 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 3: I've been been. 725 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: Goodness, you've been away for too long? 726 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah no, whoops. Bye. 727 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 728 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.