Speaker 1: It's nine O G one og with Jenny Garth and
Speaker 1: Tory spelling. Hello, Charles Rosen.
Speaker 2: He love Jenny and Tory, welcome.
Speaker 3: Back our friends.
Speaker 2: What am I? Chuck Chuck liver? And there were you Amy,
Speaker 2: Hello there with all the beverages. Hello, beverages.
Speaker 1: It's perfume. It's perfume. We all think she's a boozer too,
Speaker 1: but it's really balls of perfume.
Speaker 2: You get me on a really great day. We just
Speaker 2: a diagnosis at one thirty that my three year old
Speaker 2: granddaughter who had been through the battle Jenny, you remember,
Speaker 2: finally today gets diagnosed to all cancer free. S's looking
Speaker 2: good and my poor daughter Lindsey just just you know,
Speaker 2: when this news came out three weeks ago, she was
Speaker 2: that there was more of a thread again. She went,
Speaker 2: just you know, just nuts. And so we're all there's
Speaker 2: a celebration going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing, and you still made time for us.
Speaker 3: We're grateful.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well that too, you know, but we started
Speaker 2: a nice conversation. I had fun last time.
Speaker 4: Well that makes me feel terrible that I have to
Speaker 4: tell you that I still don't like the episode from
Speaker 4: the sixties.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I bet you many times, Amy you
Speaker 2: you you stood shoulder to shoulder with the Grand Old Party,
Speaker 2: so we would be looking at the history of that
Speaker 2: engagement differently.
Speaker 4: So here's my question for you. Not to get right
Speaker 4: into it, because I am so happy for your beautiful,
Speaker 4: wonderful news.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Here's why I don't like it. And I do think
Speaker 4: you're right that I would have liked it more if
Speaker 4: the music was the right music. But I am so
Speaker 4: invested in these characters, as you know, like I spent
Speaker 4: many many years with them in the nineties and probably
Speaker 4: again years later and then again now. But I don't
Speaker 4: want to see them, even if it's them, even if
Speaker 4: it's Tory Spelling and Jenny Garth playing not them.
Speaker 1: So I think, is that the only time that we
Speaker 1: do that? We do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no other one coming.
Speaker 1: With that one, the Western one that's coming later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know it just I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: even in a serialized format, even when you're doing thirty two,
Speaker 2: you know, and one kind of rolls into the next
Speaker 2: and you're keeping the storyline alive, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Sure you got to come up with ideas I had
Speaker 2: already done so many television and it was the twenty
Speaker 2: fifth anniversary of Woodstock, sure, and it was the idea
Speaker 2: of seeing them be different, that the audience gets to
Speaker 2: see them being different people, and it was only imaginary.
Speaker 2: And then you get to the end of ye, so
Speaker 2: you see the pictures and they those people who were
Speaker 2: being described obviously didn't look like our characters. It just
Speaker 2: right cultered through it. And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: we only have the only really record we have of
Speaker 2: what we did is what we we ended up putting
Speaker 2: on the air. So you look at you guys' performances
Speaker 2: in there, and I mean top to bottom everybody because
Speaker 2: it was different. Everybody was having a real good time
Speaker 2: and that kind of I agree with that. I love
Speaker 2: you the experience, you know, just for me who watches
Speaker 2: it really closely and you know remembers. Remember I got
Speaker 2: to see always outtakes. Jenny and Tory would know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you know, when when the kiss would
Speaker 2: stop and the actors would break and they would run
Speaker 2: to the hills, you know, so I you know when
Speaker 2: people were not having this good time together.
Speaker 3: Wait, Chuck, do you still have any of those You
Speaker 3: got to put those together for us.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you this. This is no criticism
Speaker 2: of your beloved father, Torri, but he did not want you. Remember,
Speaker 2: Dick Clark was making a fortun with Gagru.
Speaker 4: Bloomers and bloopers and practical.
Speaker 2: Jokepers, practical all of that. You know you you probably
Speaker 2: hosted it Amy, I don't know, but but uh, but
Speaker 2: Aaron had one none none of that. Didn't want us
Speaker 2: to keep any of that any editorial group. Uh there
Speaker 2: was one good that that was kind of keeping it,
Speaker 2: you know within this would be great for that, and
Speaker 2: then you know we did the Kabash was put on,
Speaker 2: so we never even thought about that.
Speaker 3: You're so right. He didn't like that, Like, don't you
Speaker 3: how do you I've never asked you this, Chuck, Like,
Speaker 3: what do you think he would think of reality TV?
Speaker 2: I you know, with the first thing that came across
Speaker 2: my mind, and this is this is only a compliment.
Speaker 2: He would have found a way to own it. Yeah, fair,
Speaker 2: you know, he would have found a way. He would
Speaker 2: have looked at it as as as business, and he
Speaker 2: would have thought of it in terms of you know
Speaker 2: what he he would do in it. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you guys being so involved
Speaker 2: with it over it. I don't think you know, people
Speaker 2: also have you know, you know, no choice. This is
Speaker 2: what's being done at that point. It's interesting reality television
Speaker 2: a little bit of television history here. You know, reality
Speaker 2: television really took off during the time of the eighty
Speaker 2: eight eighty nine writers strike, and that's when MTV kind
Speaker 2: of built on the all their real worlds and started
Speaker 2: building out on that, and then it just always would
Speaker 2: would keep going. But I remember I was trying to
Speaker 2: go into lobudget TV in the late nineties, early oughts.
Speaker 2: I was had it down. I had done a low
Speaker 2: budget pilot, fun little low budget pilot for Fox called
Speaker 2: Damage Goods with Elizabeth Helden's who's gone on to do
Speaker 2: lots of great stuff in TV and network TV even
Speaker 2: but we and I couldn't and I had it and
Speaker 2: it was low budget, but I couldn't. You couldn't get
Speaker 2: lower than reality TV right right at that point, you
Speaker 2: couldn't compete.
Speaker 4: What do you think Aaron Spelling would have thought of
Speaker 4: a podcast like this where his not just his daughter,
Speaker 4: but his stars are thirty years later watching the shows again.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he'd loved the thirty years later. I
Speaker 2: think it blows. I know it blows my mind. And
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he maybe had a plan for
Speaker 2: it in the thirty years, but I think that truthfully,
Speaker 2: you know, and Aaron, I mean, we lived the same thing,
Speaker 2: you know, the first seat. It was so precarious and
Speaker 2: there was, for lack of a better way to describe this,
Speaker 2: and I don't do it with malice, there was, like,
Speaker 2: you know, there was so much humiliation in one sense,
Speaker 2: Ed Corey, you would understand in the in the in
Speaker 2: the sense that we were doing this little fell for
Speaker 2: Fox and our ratings weren't good, and we didn't know
Speaker 2: what the money we were doing this and we're trying
Speaker 2: to get through. This is because he really loved the process.
Speaker 2: As opposed to five years before then there was this
Speaker 2: was a fully functional studio with this department and that department,
Speaker 2: and that superseded all the show departments, you know, And
Speaker 2: I guess I should always I don't know how I feel.
Speaker 2: I know that we it built back up to that
Speaker 2: same thing, especially with the with the CW shows and
Speaker 2: you know, and and Charmed and and and everything that
Speaker 2: he built right back up that same kind of level
Speaker 2: of engagement.
Speaker 3: But the bls who do you believe owns them?
Speaker 2: Which way? Where are they?
Speaker 3: Where are the blooper reels? Like all the outtakes? I
Speaker 3: mean not the reels, the outtakes, because we did, am
Speaker 3: I wrong? Didn't at some point, like at Christmas parties
Speaker 3: when it was just the cast and crew, didn't we
Speaker 3: play something that I feel like put together in the
Speaker 3: Kenny Millers like.
Speaker 2: But I don't think. I think that had to be
Speaker 2: post me. I bet that was after me, because you're right,
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: It was towards the edge?
Speaker 2: When when was? When is? When?
Speaker 3: Where are the blooper reels? Where's the outtakes?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Who would own those?
Speaker 2: Chuck?
Speaker 3: The early ones?
Speaker 5: Well, all of the yes, Well, this is the question of.
Speaker 2: There is always a question, and it was raised by
Speaker 2: an editor named Jerry Frizell whether a lot of our
Speaker 2: material burned hmm, what burned in a laser Pacific fire?
Speaker 2: M M wait.
Speaker 3: I'm vaguely remembering this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, around the turn of the century, around there, I
Speaker 2: guess I was not privy to it to years later,
Speaker 2: and still I'm not. I can't get my hands on
Speaker 2: what exactly was.
Speaker 5: Burned that sounds shady old by CB. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: your fright, there's CBS firecom you know the ones. It
Speaker 5: was funny because, you know, the first time I.
Speaker 2: Went to talk to them, David Staff, you know, they're
Speaker 2: and his question to me is that he said, well,
Speaker 2: how well do you know Tori or Jenny. He said, well,
Speaker 2: I haven't talked to them in a long time, you know,
Speaker 2: And they said, well, they're selling a show like that.
Speaker 2: Because I was trying just to get them interested in
Speaker 2: the music, you know, in the music in that at
Speaker 2: that time, and that's right when you started going out
Speaker 2: with you know, Oh.
Speaker 3: My gosh, we should ask them where those outtakes are.
Speaker 3: I I would just personally like to see them, like
Speaker 3: when you sign like an NDA or something, just so
Speaker 3: we could see them. Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2: Thanks that. Well, you know, here's an interesting thing that
Speaker 2: I've learned subsequently since the last time we talked, which
Speaker 2: is there was an article in the La Times that
Speaker 2: showed that Moonlighting, thirty something, La Law, Homicide on the Street,
Speaker 2: and Northern Exposure, which I actually wrote for all five
Speaker 2: of them get no streaming and are not in syndication
Speaker 2: because of the music situation. Really and then you think
Speaker 2: about the shows that have been stripped. It's not just us,
Speaker 2: it's Quantum Leap or Happy Days and others. And so
Speaker 2: what gets me amy is that is that ours, the
Speaker 2: television industry, is the only one that has there is
Speaker 2: no even remote feeling of obligation to preservation. Have it
Speaker 2: in the music industry and you have it in the
Speaker 2: film industry different ways. I actually went to the to
Speaker 2: the federal government. I went to the Library of Congress
Speaker 2: and said, how do I get things preserved? Because we're
Speaker 2: in the Library of Congress, right, what about like the
Speaker 2: museum and we're submitted Your dad did that toy he
Speaker 2: submitted the original nine O two one O to the
Speaker 2: Library of Congress.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is.
Speaker 2: Have our original music preserved because they did it at
Speaker 2: the end of every season.
Speaker 4: And what about the Museum of TV and Radio.
Speaker 2: They don't have the original Not a real museum.
Speaker 3: Is a museum?
Speaker 2: No, it's it's kind of out of business there, it's
Speaker 2: it's not where it should be where I would not.
Speaker 2: I reached out to the Television Academy, Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: the UH and they were uh and they passed And
Speaker 2: I was surprised they have a legacy thing. But their
Speaker 2: legacy thing would be to like do interviews with someone
Speaker 2: like your dad or now if you were doing it
Speaker 2: you maybe you were doing with Shonda Rhymes or or
Speaker 2: or or you know Ryan.
Speaker 4: Seacrest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the just the yes, well you know whoever, yes,
Speaker 2: people of real celebrity and real stature, and in that interview,
Speaker 2: that's what they're preserving. But it's not the content of
Speaker 2: the right right right that really surprised me. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's just one that's that's not there
Speaker 2: and you're seeing it in the nature right now.
Speaker 4: And let me ask you this question thirty years later,
Speaker 4: if you if somebody went back to try and get
Speaker 4: rights in perpetuity to the original songs, wouldn't it be
Speaker 4: cheaper now, because it's so much that music has got
Speaker 4: to be cheaper now than at least most of it
Speaker 4: than it was even in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Well you would think so. But what happened really was
Speaker 2: when Napster came out in nineteen ninety nine and people
Speaker 2: there wasn't you know, didn't have to buy the recorded
Speaker 2: music anymore and wouldn't and didn't. The record industries went
Speaker 2: scrambling for places that they could where they had ownership,
Speaker 2: and they leveraged this to a nauseating catastrophic level at
Speaker 2: the UH. And it was very interesting because you know,
Speaker 2: i'd left after I left two and zero a fewyears,
Speaker 2: I had one season at Dawson's Creek. That's right, I
Speaker 2: said that, And I was not It was not a
Speaker 2: I wasn't really that much on the creative enterprise there.
Speaker 2: It turned out much more on the business enterprise. And
Speaker 2: one if it had to do with get the Music,
Speaker 2: that that for a much lower rate because the heads
Speaker 2: of the studios at Warner Brothers at the time felt
Speaker 2: that we're giving promotion. Why are we paying all this
Speaker 2: money for the promotion that we give? And and it
Speaker 2: was really the right way to look at it. But
Speaker 2: that was, you know again right at the time, right
Speaker 2: before the the market, you know, change humbled.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now not to make an abrupt change in conversation,
Speaker 6: do you feel that Brendan, sorry, Brenda, and I know
Speaker 6: everyone I.
Speaker 3: Get really irrito Peeve and she will.
Speaker 2: Call him Brendan.
Speaker 4: But Brandon and Brenda played other and sister slightly too flirty.
Speaker 4: That's my one criticism of them. I love them as siblings.
Speaker 4: But the kissing on the cheek and then grabbing of
Speaker 4: the waist is slightly strange.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, one of the things is
Speaker 2: especially from the beginning, and so I go back to
Speaker 2: that far. But I think that our audience always knew
Speaker 2: we were making a television series, and they did flirt
Speaker 2: with each other in that way. I think that the
Speaker 2: audience mostly enjoyed it. I think that that at that point,
Speaker 2: given the statue that you guys had what you wanted
Speaker 2: from it, that they were coming back that they hadn't
Speaker 2: seen that. Could it mean that, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 2: that much of a stickler. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Chs to me, but you guys can't.
Speaker 3: But you guys noticed it, Like people were like, wait,
Speaker 3: they knew that.
Speaker 2: We were making a TV show. No, I know, a
Speaker 2: real brother and sister. The way the fans are now
Speaker 2: they think it's the burial brother and sister.
Speaker 3: I it was, I know, but at the time, like,
Speaker 3: did you guys watch dailies and say like, oh, why
Speaker 3: is that happening? But okay, it's fine, like or no
Speaker 3: one noticed.
Speaker 4: It very obvious.
Speaker 2: Somebody had to notice. Yeah, no, we noted, we knew
Speaker 2: what was going on we had we watched it. Well,
Speaker 2: that was one of the things stories. And Jenny, I
Speaker 2: don't know when you were making your shows if you
Speaker 2: had a luxury of doing that, but you know, one
Speaker 2: of the key things was to be the first to
Speaker 2: get to watch dailies, to get it before anybody else thought.
Speaker 2: So you knew, and you could be and you could
Speaker 2: be conversant because, yeah, your dad would watch dailies and
Speaker 2: he he would get worried. As he was your dad,
Speaker 2: he'd worried about things. So you better knew what was
Speaker 2: going on in dailies and and and stuff and and
Speaker 2: be able to be conversant.
Speaker 1: Chuck's we're we're we're in season four. This is the
Speaker 1: very end of season four on our podcasts.
Speaker 2: All that great stuff you did.
Speaker 1: Jenny, Shannon, Oh, thank you. Shannon is going to be
Speaker 1: leaving the show the beginning of season five, end of season.
Speaker 3: Four, right, correct? Yeah, did did you know, like at the.
Speaker 1: What point did you know that she was not going
Speaker 1: to be returning and what at what point did we know?
Speaker 1: Because we're having trouble remembering the timeline of it all.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, it was it was when we got picked
Speaker 2: up for season five.
Speaker 1: Nil, because was that when we were we.
Speaker 7: When it was that was when it was clear when
Speaker 7: the network picked us up for season five was about
Speaker 7: I think Shannon at that.
Speaker 2: There was when we were doing a pig as a
Speaker 2: boy as a dog, all the environmental yeah ones, the
Speaker 2: animal rights ones, yes, okay, so there you go, Amy,
Speaker 2: Why did I do animal rights ones? Well? Fun? First
Speaker 2: of all, Larry Mullen had an idea about and he
Speaker 2: wanted to do it.
Speaker 4: I was all for those.
Speaker 2: Diane's reasonch yes, But I mean I got that because
Speaker 2: Jenny was was interested in Peter at that point and
Speaker 2: had interesting you know, it's just oh, well, my cats,
Speaker 2: so this art will. So I tried to always do
Speaker 2: things that you guys were well, I was seeing in
Speaker 2: your personal life I could incorporate into these characters. I
Speaker 2: tried to do that at least I'm all for that.
Speaker 4: I also love the sort of even though the other
Speaker 4: characters were in it. I love when Brandon went to
Speaker 4: San Francisco and it's sort of a Brandon centric episode.
Speaker 4: I even like when when Dylan goes off what's her name?
Speaker 2: Jenny? Oh? And am all I get is yes? Say it?
Speaker 2: When we started that was the A story and the
Speaker 2: B story had to do with Dana getting roughed up
Speaker 2: by David Arquette. That was the story, if you'll notice
Speaker 2: in the episode that's completely shifted around, And we just
Speaker 2: kept cutting it and cutting it and cutting it because
Speaker 2: it really was it was an experimenting quite couldn't work.
Speaker 2: We thought it would be really cool. And I bet
Speaker 2: if it wasn't in the hands of a different director
Speaker 2: at that moment, no offense to my director friend who
Speaker 2: directed it, it would be a different It would have
Speaker 2: worked slightly better.
Speaker 3: So I have a question. Sorry, So us watching it
Speaker 3: back now as fans in a different way obviously than
Speaker 3: how we experienced it originally, we are seeing foreshadowing, so
Speaker 3: we thought, oh, they must have known Shannon was leaving
Speaker 3: like it just there's so many signs. Was that Did
Speaker 3: you put that in on purpose because it was questionable?
Speaker 2: Well, we well, you really got to go back since
Speaker 2: you're when that's this conversation you you really have to
Speaker 2: go back to when we started season four and and
Speaker 2: Brenda went to a different university. I mean, we used
Speaker 2: all that to sort it out and try to let's
Speaker 2: calm things down, Let's let's have a little summer break.
Speaker 2: We don't have to shoot summer episodes for the first time,
Speaker 2: you know, we had a little little bit of a breather,
Speaker 2: all of us, and and that was the first time
Speaker 2: to see how it would all work, uh in the
Speaker 2: in the season. Uh and and once it it fell apart,
Speaker 2: you know when when at that point, that's when the
Speaker 2: clean break happened and we were all gonna be moving
Speaker 2: on and your dad even had second thoughts about that,
Speaker 2: you know, we I don't. I don't think I said
Speaker 2: that on this podcast, but I said it on the
Speaker 2: other one that I got a call from business affairs
Speaker 2: that he still was going to send out the pickup
Speaker 2: letter to to Shanon. Did my business affairs person want
Speaker 2: me to do that? I know, we better check. We know, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: please don't. And you know when Deck down and reminded
Speaker 2: Aaron that the network had signed off on this and
Speaker 2: it was the right decision for us right at that moment,
Speaker 2: it felt like for the show. And then I often
Speaker 2: feel and this is what you guys were talking about,
Speaker 2: starting kind of for me with the sixties episode, but
Speaker 2: certain moving into Divas in that is that she connect
Speaker 2: reconnected with the character reconnected, Yeah, and really brought Berenda
Speaker 2: Brenda to life in a way that look, the whole
Speaker 2: arc that you had, story arc that she had with
Speaker 2: the rich boy m hm, David Gale a nice guy,
Speaker 2: nice actor. We all liked David mm hmm. But that
Speaker 2: was one that was done off to the side so
Speaker 2: there wouldn't have to be interactions and fictions and whatever
Speaker 2: else would be going on. I mean, we did think
Speaker 2: so guilty as charged weed to affect ourselves.
Speaker 1: Were you worried on your side of things? How her
Speaker 1: absence would you know, affect the show in the ratings.
Speaker 2: I let mister do the worrying for me, you know,
Speaker 2: I just had to get all this big number done.
Speaker 2: And I felt that Look, as I've said, I think
Speaker 2: we talked about it, I always feel I did five
Speaker 2: different TV series and building it and developing it with
Speaker 2: in season five and creating you know, the Valerie character,
Speaker 2: and knowing we were becoming just straight into a pure
Speaker 2: serialization and that and that it was heading that way
Speaker 2: after my tenure even more so, you know we we
Speaker 2: uh so that was I was, well, we did lose Ray.
Speaker 2: We certainly we didn't catapult, but certainly, uh you know,
Speaker 2: Brenda Shannon had a following, and and uh, and there
Speaker 2: are people who pick up the show new and then
Speaker 2: who move away from it. But I felt that I
Speaker 2: felt really good going into season five. I feel whethered it.
Speaker 2: You know, we made the transition into college. Our ratings
Speaker 2: are really strong. And I had this great moment that
Speaker 2: as you're getting near to the end of it, because
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay off the the storyline with with Dylan
Speaker 2: and his and his his estate and being ripped off.
Speaker 2: And when I originally pitched it to your dad with
Speaker 2: Jessica Klein, and he said, you know, Chuck, they're gonn't know,
Speaker 2: they're going to see that these people are grifters. And
Speaker 2: and I said, Aaron, trust me, I'm going to carry
Speaker 2: this over fifteen episodes, and by the time we get
Speaker 2: to the end, you won't even won't even cross your mind.
Speaker 2: And you get to that end episode, those last few shots, right,
Speaker 2: you know, and people were not expecting it, and it
Speaker 2: was a first and the critics liked being full or
Speaker 2: having a different thing there, and so some of them
Speaker 2: who were not our big fans started to become fans.
Speaker 2: And it was a good It was a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we only know because we know. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: I would suspect it. I didn't know. It all seems
Speaker 4: kinda peache weachee.
Speaker 3: Because there are times we've talked about this watching back
Speaker 3: as fans now that there's a storyline that'll start and
Speaker 3: it happens too fast, so we see it coming on
Speaker 3: with the end will be So it's nice that the
Speaker 3: Kevin Susanne Erica was fifteen episodes.
Speaker 2: It's hard. I mean I remember sitting doing this with
Speaker 2: my kids back in the day, you know, and I
Speaker 2: try to show them the great shows of the movies
Speaker 2: and things of the seventies and this, and it just
Speaker 2: all moved away too slow, you know, you know the
Speaker 2: facing is such Yeah, no that the patients for that,
Speaker 2: you know you want to Yeah, it's that they do
Speaker 2: condense and move.
Speaker 1: And today, I mean, things are so nobody has any
Speaker 1: patience for anything. Can you imagine this show today?
Speaker 3: You have one scene to get to lock them in.
Speaker 3: That's it. Like, I know we're not at season five yet,
Speaker 3: but we did mention Valerie Tiffany. Was there anyone up
Speaker 3: for the character of Valerie or was it always Tiffany?
Speaker 2: You know, I've been reminded that it was. They were
Speaker 2: also that who was the terrific? Oh god, I'm doing
Speaker 2: such to have a senior moment, And who's the boss?
Speaker 2: Who was the Yeah, I think a listen, your dad
Speaker 2: liked her a lot, clearly because then he did go
Speaker 2: on yeah, and he was always a fan wanting to
Speaker 2: use her, and and I was, you know, I just
Speaker 2: was gonna work with whoever it was. I mean, you know, well,
Speaker 2: you know Tiffany's from Saved by the Bell. I had,
Speaker 2: you know, my my relationship to Saved by the Bell
Speaker 2: was with the executive producer, who I would call up
Speaker 2: every once in a while because he would just blatantly.
Speaker 2: Once we got to college, he just stole everything we did.
Speaker 2: And I would call him on the phone and go,
Speaker 2: what do you? What do you? And he was shameless
Speaker 2: about it. There's another guy named Tommy Lynch. Do you
Speaker 2: know Tommy Lynch? Aamie, No, Oh, Tommy's that she just shameless.
Speaker 2: I mean producers who just don't think of this and
Speaker 2: oh yeah it's fine, and so I so, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know much about her, but she certainly wasn't
Speaker 2: she was Saved by the Bell, and you know, but
Speaker 2: I didn't, but they could play this different kind of
Speaker 2: character in this would have been good. And then I
Speaker 2: enjoyed my year with her. I enjoyed season five. I
Speaker 2: liked you know where we what we did, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't even gotten to Jamie Walters, like, we've
Speaker 4: got a lot. There's some big names in season five,
Speaker 4: like Jamie.
Speaker 2: There's some other Well, Jamie came because he had the
Speaker 2: independent relationship after how do You Talk to an Angel?
Speaker 4: And after yeah, crazy, I think I think Casper van
Speaker 4: Dien comes. I might be an idiot. I think come, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well they know you guys had nice Kivy. He was terrific.
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is we went we
Speaker 2: had to go. We're going with the working class guy.
Speaker 2: That's where we were going. We had to stir up
Speaker 2: the drama there.
Speaker 4: Get we haven't even gotten Rebecca Gayheart. I think we
Speaker 4: don't really jump the shark till sorry.
Speaker 3: You take that back.
Speaker 4: Sorry, maybe seven eight. I think five six, it's still
Speaker 4: very solid. Anyway, Well, Chuck, you're the best. Sorry, Look,
Speaker 4: I love it all, except for maybe the sixties episode.
Speaker 2: We should do.
Speaker 1: This at the end of every season. Have Chuck on
Speaker 1: for like a we have like make our list of
Speaker 1: story of questions through the season and then have them
Speaker 1: back on at the end of it.
Speaker 2: We're five after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can still have you on for your.
Speaker 2: Please Joe, just chance to get to see you both. Thanks.
Speaker 3: I like it makes me feel so happy being with you,
Speaker 3: even though it's on zoom, but being with you and
Speaker 3: getting to hear the memories and how you know, I
Speaker 3: mean to me, it's like, I know this sounds crazy,
Speaker 3: but it was like my dad like was the boss,
Speaker 3: but you were my boss too. So now being able
Speaker 3: to have a relationship that I can ask you, like,
Speaker 3: how did this work out? Why did this happen? Ask
Speaker 3: you questions now that I you know, didn't feel like
Speaker 3: I could ask back then you know.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, what we did on the other way,
Speaker 2: we don't do very that much on the other on
Speaker 2: the other show, but we we did one with on
Speaker 2: the early episode, the seventeen year itch from season one,
Speaker 2: so Carol Potter was there, and it's a surprising just
Speaker 2: you know how that one actual hold I held up,
Speaker 2: you know, and the network, the network kept at that
Speaker 2: going way back in the way back machine. You know,
Speaker 2: we need adult appeal, We need adult appeal, So we
Speaker 2: did an adult to show, No more, adult show, no more?
Speaker 2: What did you do that? You know?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well, Chuck, we're so happy about your
Speaker 4: wonderful news and you're so the best.
Speaker 1: Correct questions you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna I'll email you so come so we.
Speaker 3: Can do you again.
Speaker 2: Bye, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 1: I want to squash him.
Speaker 4: He's he's got a better memory than you guys.
Speaker 3: He's can make it up and he's.
Speaker 2: Good to just believe. I believe it. Everything is one.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I just want to hear so many
Speaker 3: stories because I feel like those are the things I
Speaker 3: didn't hear from my dad back then, Like I did,
Speaker 3: I didn't nowadays. If if he was around, I would say,
Speaker 3: well he would that he'd be a hundreds, so that
Speaker 3: wouldn't make sense to ask him questions now, But like
Speaker 3: I want it as an adult, I would want to say, like,
Speaker 3: why'd you do this? What are the choices? So it's
Speaker 3: like vicariously I get to hear it like I get
Speaker 3: to hear from Chuck, and I want to hear all
Speaker 3: the stories, all the decisions and what was the process
Speaker 3: behind them.