1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's nine O G one og with Jenny Garth and 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Tory spelling. Hello, Charles Rosen. 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: He love Jenny and Tory, welcome. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 3: Back our friends. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: What am I? Chuck Chuck liver? And there were you Amy, 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Hello there with all the beverages. Hello, beverages. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: It's perfume. It's perfume. We all think she's a boozer too, 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: but it's really balls of perfume. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: You get me on a really great day. We just 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: a diagnosis at one thirty that my three year old 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: granddaughter who had been through the battle Jenny, you remember, 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: finally today gets diagnosed to all cancer free. S's looking 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: good and my poor daughter Lindsey just just you know, 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: when this news came out three weeks ago, she was 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: that there was more of a thread again. She went, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: just you know, just nuts. And so we're all there's 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: a celebration going on. 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing, and you still made time for us. 19 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: We're grateful. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well that too, you know, but we started 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: a nice conversation. I had fun last time. 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 4: Well that makes me feel terrible that I have to 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: tell you that I still don't like the episode from 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 4: the sixties. 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I bet you many times, Amy you 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: you you stood shoulder to shoulder with the Grand Old Party, 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: so we would be looking at the history of that 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: engagement differently. 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: So here's my question for you. Not to get right 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: into it, because I am so happy for your beautiful, 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: wonderful news. 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: Here's why I don't like it. And I do think 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: you're right that I would have liked it more if 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: the music was the right music. But I am so 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: invested in these characters, as you know, like I spent 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: many many years with them in the nineties and probably 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 4: again years later and then again now. But I don't 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: want to see them, even if it's them, even if 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: it's Tory Spelling and Jenny Garth playing not them. 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: So I think, is that the only time that we 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: do that? We do that? 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no other one coming. 44 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: With that one, the Western one that's coming later. 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know it just I gotta tell you, 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: even in a serialized format, even when you're doing thirty two, 47 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: you know, and one kind of rolls into the next 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: and you're keeping the storyline alive, et cetera, et cetera. 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: Sure you got to come up with ideas I had 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: already done so many television and it was the twenty 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: fifth anniversary of Woodstock, sure, and it was the idea 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: of seeing them be different, that the audience gets to 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 2: see them being different people, and it was only imaginary. 54 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: And then you get to the end of ye, so 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: you see the pictures and they those people who were 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: being described obviously didn't look like our characters. It just 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: right cultered through it. And I don't know, you know, 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: we only have the only really record we have of 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: what we did is what we we ended up putting 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: on the air. So you look at you guys' performances 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: in there, and I mean top to bottom everybody because 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: it was different. Everybody was having a real good time 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: and that kind of I agree with that. I love 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: you the experience, you know, just for me who watches 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: it really closely and you know remembers. Remember I got 66 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: to see always outtakes. Jenny and Tory would know what 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you know, when when the kiss would 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: stop and the actors would break and they would run 69 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: to the hills, you know, so I you know when 70 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: people were not having this good time together. 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: Wait, Chuck, do you still have any of those You 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: got to put those together for us. 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: I have to tell you this. This is no criticism 74 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: of your beloved father, Torri, but he did not want you. Remember, 75 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: Dick Clark was making a fortun with Gagru. 76 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: Bloomers and bloopers and practical. 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: Jokepers, practical all of that. You know you you probably 78 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: hosted it Amy, I don't know, but but uh, but 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: Aaron had one none none of that. Didn't want us 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: to keep any of that any editorial group. Uh there 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: was one good that that was kind of keeping it, 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: you know within this would be great for that, and 83 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: then you know we did the Kabash was put on, 84 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: so we never even thought about that. 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: You're so right. He didn't like that, Like, don't you 86 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: how do you I've never asked you this, Chuck, Like, 87 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: what do you think he would think of reality TV? 88 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: I you know, with the first thing that came across 89 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: my mind, and this is this is only a compliment. 90 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: He would have found a way to own it. Yeah, fair, 91 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, he would have found a way. He would 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: have looked at it as as as business, and he 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: would have thought of it in terms of you know 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: what he he would do in it. I mean, and 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: I think that you know, you guys being so involved 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: with it over it. I don't think you know, people 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: also have you know, you know, no choice. This is 98 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: what's being done at that point. It's interesting reality television 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: a little bit of television history here. You know, reality 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: television really took off during the time of the eighty 101 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: eight eighty nine writers strike, and that's when MTV kind 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: of built on the all their real worlds and started 103 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: building out on that, and then it just always would 104 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: would keep going. But I remember I was trying to 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: go into lobudget TV in the late nineties, early oughts. 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: I was had it down. I had done a low 107 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: budget pilot, fun little low budget pilot for Fox called 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: Damage Goods with Elizabeth Helden's who's gone on to do 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: lots of great stuff in TV and network TV even 110 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: but we and I couldn't and I had it and 111 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: it was low budget, but I couldn't. You couldn't get 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: lower than reality TV right right at that point, you 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: couldn't compete. 114 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: What do you think Aaron Spelling would have thought of 115 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: a podcast like this where his not just his daughter, 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: but his stars are thirty years later watching the shows again. 117 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think he'd loved the thirty years later. I 118 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: think it blows. I know it blows my mind. And 119 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: I think, you know, he maybe had a plan for 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: it in the thirty years, but I think that truthfully, 121 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: you know, and Aaron, I mean, we lived the same thing, 122 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: you know, the first seat. It was so precarious and 123 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: there was, for lack of a better way to describe this, 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: and I don't do it with malice, there was, like, 125 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: you know, there was so much humiliation in one sense, 126 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: Ed Corey, you would understand in the in the in 127 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: the sense that we were doing this little fell for 128 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: Fox and our ratings weren't good, and we didn't know 129 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: what the money we were doing this and we're trying 130 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: to get through. This is because he really loved the process. 131 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: As opposed to five years before then there was this 132 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: was a fully functional studio with this department and that department, 133 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: and that superseded all the show departments, you know, And 134 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: I guess I should always I don't know how I feel. 135 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: I know that we it built back up to that 136 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: same thing, especially with the with the CW shows and 137 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, and and Charmed and and and everything that 138 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: he built right back up that same kind of level 139 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: of engagement. 140 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: But the bls who do you believe owns them? 141 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: Which way? Where are they? 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: Where are the blooper reels? Like all the outtakes? I 143 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: mean not the reels, the outtakes, because we did, am 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: I wrong? Didn't at some point, like at Christmas parties 145 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: when it was just the cast and crew, didn't we 146 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: play something that I feel like put together in the 147 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: Kenny Millers like. 148 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: But I don't think. I think that had to be 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: post me. I bet that was after me, because you're right, 150 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: you're right, you're right. 151 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: It was towards the edge? 152 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: When when was? When is? When? 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: Where are the blooper reels? Where's the outtakes? 154 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: I mean? 155 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: Who would own those? 156 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: Chuck? 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: The early ones? 158 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: Well, all of the yes, Well, this is the question of. 159 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: There is always a question, and it was raised by 160 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: an editor named Jerry Frizell whether a lot of our 161 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: material burned hmm, what burned in a laser Pacific fire? 162 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: M M wait. 163 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: I'm vaguely remembering this. 164 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, around the turn of the century, around there, I 165 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: guess I was not privy to it to years later, 166 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: and still I'm not. I can't get my hands on 167 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: what exactly was. 168 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: Burned that sounds shady old by CB. I mean, yeah, 169 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 5: your fright, there's CBS firecom you know the ones. It 170 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 5: was funny because, you know, the first time I. 171 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: Went to talk to them, David Staff, you know, they're 172 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: and his question to me is that he said, well, 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: how well do you know Tori or Jenny. He said, well, 174 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to them in a long time, you know, 175 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: And they said, well, they're selling a show like that. 176 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: Because I was trying just to get them interested in 177 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: the music, you know, in the music in that at 178 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: that time, and that's right when you started going out 179 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: with you know, Oh. 180 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: My gosh, we should ask them where those outtakes are. 181 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: I I would just personally like to see them, like 182 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: when you sign like an NDA or something, just so 183 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: we could see them. Yeah, that would be great. 184 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: Thanks that. Well, you know, here's an interesting thing that 185 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: I've learned subsequently since the last time we talked, which 186 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: is there was an article in the La Times that 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: showed that Moonlighting, thirty something, La Law, Homicide on the Street, 188 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: and Northern Exposure, which I actually wrote for all five 189 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: of them get no streaming and are not in syndication 190 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: because of the music situation. Really and then you think 191 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: about the shows that have been stripped. It's not just us, 192 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: it's Quantum Leap or Happy Days and others. And so 193 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: what gets me amy is that is that ours, the 194 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: television industry, is the only one that has there is 195 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: no even remote feeling of obligation to preservation. Have it 196 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: in the music industry and you have it in the 197 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: film industry different ways. I actually went to the to 198 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: the federal government. I went to the Library of Congress 199 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: and said, how do I get things preserved? Because we're 200 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: in the Library of Congress, right, what about like the 201 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: museum and we're submitted Your dad did that toy he 202 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: submitted the original nine O two one O to the 203 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: Library of Congress. 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is. 205 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: Have our original music preserved because they did it at 206 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: the end of every season. 207 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: And what about the Museum of TV and Radio. 208 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: They don't have the original Not a real museum. 209 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: Is a museum? 210 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: No, it's it's kind of out of business there, it's 211 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: it's not where it should be where I would not. 212 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: I reached out to the Television Academy, Yeah, yeah, and 213 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: the UH and they were uh and they passed And 214 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: I was surprised they have a legacy thing. But their 215 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: legacy thing would be to like do interviews with someone 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: like your dad or now if you were doing it 217 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: you maybe you were doing with Shonda Rhymes or or 218 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: or or you know Ryan. 219 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: Seacrest. 220 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the just the yes, well you know whoever, yes, 221 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: people of real celebrity and real stature, and in that interview, 222 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: that's what they're preserving. But it's not the content of 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: the right right right that really surprised me. But at 224 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: the same time, it's just one that's that's not there 225 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: and you're seeing it in the nature right now. 226 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: And let me ask you this question thirty years later, 227 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: if you if somebody went back to try and get 228 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 4: rights in perpetuity to the original songs, wouldn't it be 229 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: cheaper now, because it's so much that music has got 230 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: to be cheaper now than at least most of it 231 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 4: than it was even in the nineties. 232 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: Well you would think so. But what happened really was 233 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: when Napster came out in nineteen ninety nine and people 234 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: there wasn't you know, didn't have to buy the recorded 235 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: music anymore and wouldn't and didn't. The record industries went 236 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: scrambling for places that they could where they had ownership, 237 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: and they leveraged this to a nauseating catastrophic level at 238 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: the UH. And it was very interesting because you know, 239 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: i'd left after I left two and zero a fewyears, 240 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: I had one season at Dawson's Creek. That's right, I 241 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: said that, And I was not It was not a 242 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't really that much on the creative enterprise there. 243 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: It turned out much more on the business enterprise. And 244 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: one if it had to do with get the Music, 245 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: that that for a much lower rate because the heads 246 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: of the studios at Warner Brothers at the time felt 247 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: that we're giving promotion. Why are we paying all this 248 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: money for the promotion that we give? And and it 249 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: was really the right way to look at it. But 250 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: that was, you know again right at the time, right 251 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: before the the market, you know, change humbled. 252 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, now not to make an abrupt change in conversation, 253 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 6: do you feel that Brendan, sorry, Brenda, and I know 254 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 6: everyone I. 255 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: Get really irrito Peeve and she will. 256 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: Call him Brendan. 257 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: But Brandon and Brenda played other and sister slightly too flirty. 258 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: That's my one criticism of them. I love them as siblings. 259 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: But the kissing on the cheek and then grabbing of 260 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: the waist is slightly strange. 261 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, one of the things is 262 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: especially from the beginning, and so I go back to 263 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: that far. But I think that our audience always knew 264 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: we were making a television series, and they did flirt 265 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: with each other in that way. I think that the 266 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: audience mostly enjoyed it. I think that that at that point, 267 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: given the statue that you guys had what you wanted 268 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: from it, that they were coming back that they hadn't 269 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: seen that. Could it mean that, you know, I wasn't 270 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: that much of a stickler. I don't know. 271 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Chs to me, but you guys can't. 272 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: But you guys noticed it, Like people were like, wait, 273 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: they knew that. 274 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: We were making a TV show. No, I know, a 275 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: real brother and sister. The way the fans are now 276 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: they think it's the burial brother and sister. 277 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: I it was, I know, but at the time, like, 278 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: did you guys watch dailies and say like, oh, why 279 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: is that happening? But okay, it's fine, like or no 280 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: one noticed. 281 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: It very obvious. 282 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: Somebody had to notice. Yeah, no, we noted, we knew 283 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: what was going on we had we watched it. Well, 284 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: that was one of the things stories. And Jenny, I 285 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: don't know when you were making your shows if you 286 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: had a luxury of doing that, but you know, one 287 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: of the key things was to be the first to 288 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: get to watch dailies, to get it before anybody else thought. 289 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: So you knew, and you could be and you could 290 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: be conversant because, yeah, your dad would watch dailies and 291 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: he he would get worried. As he was your dad, 292 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: he'd worried about things. So you better knew what was 293 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: going on in dailies and and and stuff and and 294 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: be able to be conversant. 295 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: Chuck's we're we're we're in season four. This is the 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: very end of season four on our podcasts. 297 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: All that great stuff you did. 298 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: Jenny, Shannon, Oh, thank you. Shannon is going to be 299 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: leaving the show the beginning of season five, end of season. 300 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: Four, right, correct? Yeah, did did you know, like at the. 301 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: What point did you know that she was not going 302 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: to be returning and what at what point did we know? 303 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: Because we're having trouble remembering the timeline of it all. 304 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: Fair enough, it was it was when we got picked 305 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: up for season five. 306 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: Nil, because was that when we were we. 307 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 7: When it was that was when it was clear when 308 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 7: the network picked us up for season five was about 309 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 7: I think Shannon at that. 310 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: There was when we were doing a pig as a 311 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: boy as a dog, all the environmental yeah ones, the 312 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: animal rights ones, yes, okay, so there you go, Amy, 313 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: Why did I do animal rights ones? Well? Fun? First 314 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: of all, Larry Mullen had an idea about and he 315 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: wanted to do it. 316 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: I was all for those. 317 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: Diane's reasonch yes, But I mean I got that because 318 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: Jenny was was interested in Peter at that point and 319 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: had interesting you know, it's just oh, well, my cats, 320 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: so this art will. So I tried to always do 321 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: things that you guys were well, I was seeing in 322 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: your personal life I could incorporate into these characters. I 323 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: tried to do that at least I'm all for that. 324 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: I also love the sort of even though the other 325 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 4: characters were in it. I love when Brandon went to 326 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: San Francisco and it's sort of a Brandon centric episode. 327 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 4: I even like when when Dylan goes off what's her name? 328 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 2: Jenny? Oh? And am all I get is yes? Say it? 329 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: When we started that was the A story and the 330 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: B story had to do with Dana getting roughed up 331 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: by David Arquette. That was the story, if you'll notice 332 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: in the episode that's completely shifted around, And we just 333 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: kept cutting it and cutting it and cutting it because 334 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: it really was it was an experimenting quite couldn't work. 335 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: We thought it would be really cool. And I bet 336 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: if it wasn't in the hands of a different director 337 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: at that moment, no offense to my director friend who 338 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: directed it, it would be a different It would have 339 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: worked slightly better. 340 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 3: So I have a question. Sorry, So us watching it 341 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: back now as fans in a different way obviously than 342 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: how we experienced it originally, we are seeing foreshadowing, so 343 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: we thought, oh, they must have known Shannon was leaving 344 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: like it just there's so many signs. Was that Did 345 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: you put that in on purpose because it was questionable? 346 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, we well, you really got to go back since 347 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: you're when that's this conversation you you really have to 348 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: go back to when we started season four and and 349 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: Brenda went to a different university. I mean, we used 350 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: all that to sort it out and try to let's 351 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: calm things down, Let's let's have a little summer break. 352 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: We don't have to shoot summer episodes for the first time, 353 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: you know, we had a little little bit of a breather, 354 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: all of us, and and that was the first time 355 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: to see how it would all work, uh in the 356 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: in the season. Uh and and once it it fell apart, 357 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: you know when when at that point, that's when the 358 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: clean break happened and we were all gonna be moving 359 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: on and your dad even had second thoughts about that, 360 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: you know, we I don't. I don't think I said 361 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: that on this podcast, but I said it on the 362 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: other one that I got a call from business affairs 363 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 2: that he still was going to send out the pickup 364 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: letter to to Shanon. Did my business affairs person want 365 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: me to do that? I know, we better check. We know, no, no, no, 366 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: please don't. And you know when Deck down and reminded 367 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: Aaron that the network had signed off on this and 368 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: it was the right decision for us right at that moment, 369 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: it felt like for the show. And then I often 370 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: feel and this is what you guys were talking about, 371 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: starting kind of for me with the sixties episode, but 372 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: certain moving into Divas in that is that she connect 373 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: reconnected with the character reconnected, Yeah, and really brought Berenda 374 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: Brenda to life in a way that look, the whole 375 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: arc that you had, story arc that she had with 376 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: the rich boy m hm, David Gale a nice guy, 377 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 2: nice actor. We all liked David mm hmm. But that 378 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: was one that was done off to the side so 379 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: there wouldn't have to be interactions and fictions and whatever 380 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: else would be going on. I mean, we did think 381 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: so guilty as charged weed to affect ourselves. 382 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: Were you worried on your side of things? How her 383 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: absence would you know, affect the show in the ratings. 384 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: I let mister do the worrying for me, you know, 385 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: I just had to get all this big number done. 386 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: And I felt that Look, as I've said, I think 387 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: we talked about it, I always feel I did five 388 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: different TV series and building it and developing it with 389 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: in season five and creating you know, the Valerie character, 390 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: and knowing we were becoming just straight into a pure 391 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: serialization and that and that it was heading that way 392 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: after my tenure even more so, you know we we 393 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: uh so that was I was, well, we did lose Ray. 394 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: We certainly we didn't catapult, but certainly, uh you know, 395 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: Brenda Shannon had a following, and and uh, and there 396 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: are people who pick up the show new and then 397 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: who move away from it. But I felt that I 398 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: felt really good going into season five. I feel whethered it. 399 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: You know, we made the transition into college. Our ratings 400 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: are really strong. And I had this great moment that 401 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: as you're getting near to the end of it, because 402 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: you're gonna pay off the the storyline with with Dylan 403 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: and his and his his estate and being ripped off. 404 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 2: And when I originally pitched it to your dad with 405 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: Jessica Klein, and he said, you know, Chuck, they're gonn't know, 406 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: they're going to see that these people are grifters. And 407 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: and I said, Aaron, trust me, I'm going to carry 408 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: this over fifteen episodes, and by the time we get 409 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: to the end, you won't even won't even cross your mind. 410 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: And you get to that end episode, those last few shots, right, 411 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, and people were not expecting it, and it 412 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: was a first and the critics liked being full or 413 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: having a different thing there, and so some of them 414 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: who were not our big fans started to become fans. 415 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: And it was a good It was a good time. 416 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, we only know because we know. I'm not sure 417 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 4: I would suspect it. I didn't know. It all seems 418 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: kinda peache weachee. 419 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 3: Because there are times we've talked about this watching back 420 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: as fans now that there's a storyline that'll start and 421 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: it happens too fast, so we see it coming on 422 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: with the end will be So it's nice that the 423 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: Kevin Susanne Erica was fifteen episodes. 424 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: It's hard. I mean I remember sitting doing this with 425 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: my kids back in the day, you know, and I 426 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: try to show them the great shows of the movies 427 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: and things of the seventies and this, and it just 428 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: all moved away too slow, you know, you know the 429 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 2: facing is such Yeah, no that the patients for that, 430 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: you know you want to Yeah, it's that they do 431 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: condense and move. 432 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: And today, I mean, things are so nobody has any 433 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: patience for anything. Can you imagine this show today? 434 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: You have one scene to get to lock them in. 435 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: That's it. Like, I know we're not at season five yet, 436 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 3: but we did mention Valerie Tiffany. Was there anyone up 437 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 3: for the character of Valerie or was it always Tiffany? 438 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: You know, I've been reminded that it was. They were 439 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: also that who was the terrific? Oh god, I'm doing 440 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: such to have a senior moment, And who's the boss? 441 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: Who was the Yeah, I think a listen, your dad 442 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: liked her a lot, clearly because then he did go 443 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: on yeah, and he was always a fan wanting to 444 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: use her, and and I was, you know, I just 445 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: was gonna work with whoever it was. I mean, you know, well, 446 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: you know Tiffany's from Saved by the Bell. I had, 447 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, my my relationship to Saved by the Bell 448 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: was with the executive producer, who I would call up 449 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: every once in a while because he would just blatantly. 450 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: Once we got to college, he just stole everything we did. 451 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: And I would call him on the phone and go, 452 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: what do you? What do you? And he was shameless 453 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: about it. There's another guy named Tommy Lynch. Do you 454 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 2: know Tommy Lynch? Aamie, No, Oh, Tommy's that she just shameless. 455 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: I mean producers who just don't think of this and 456 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: oh yeah it's fine, and so I so, you know, 457 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: I didn't know much about her, but she certainly wasn't 458 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: she was Saved by the Bell, and you know, but 459 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: I didn't, but they could play this different kind of 460 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: character in this would have been good. And then I 461 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: enjoyed my year with her. I enjoyed season five. I 462 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: liked you know where we what we did, and. 463 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't even gotten to Jamie Walters, like, we've 464 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: got a lot. There's some big names in season five, 465 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: like Jamie. 466 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: There's some other Well, Jamie came because he had the 467 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: independent relationship after how do You Talk to an Angel? 468 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: And after yeah, crazy, I think I think Casper van 469 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 4: Dien comes. I might be an idiot. I think come, yeah, yeah. 470 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: Well they know you guys had nice Kivy. He was terrific. 471 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is we went we 472 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: had to go. We're going with the working class guy. 473 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: That's where we were going. We had to stir up 474 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: the drama there. 475 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 4: Get we haven't even gotten Rebecca Gayheart. I think we 476 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 4: don't really jump the shark till sorry. 477 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: You take that back. 478 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: Sorry, maybe seven eight. I think five six, it's still 479 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: very solid. Anyway, Well, Chuck, you're the best. Sorry, Look, 480 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 4: I love it all, except for maybe the sixties episode. 481 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: We should do. 482 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: This at the end of every season. Have Chuck on 483 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: for like a we have like make our list of 484 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: story of questions through the season and then have them 485 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: back on at the end of it. 486 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: We're five after that. 487 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can still have you on for your. 488 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: Please Joe, just chance to get to see you both. Thanks. 489 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: I like it makes me feel so happy being with you, 490 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: even though it's on zoom, but being with you and 491 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: getting to hear the memories and how you know, I 492 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 3: mean to me, it's like, I know this sounds crazy, 493 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: but it was like my dad like was the boss, 494 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: but you were my boss too. So now being able 495 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: to have a relationship that I can ask you, like, 496 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: how did this work out? Why did this happen? Ask 497 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: you questions now that I you know, didn't feel like 498 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: I could ask back then you know. 499 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Right right, Well, what we did on the other way, 500 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: we don't do very that much on the other on 501 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: the other show, but we we did one with on 502 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: the early episode, the seventeen year itch from season one, 503 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: so Carol Potter was there, and it's a surprising just 504 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: you know how that one actual hold I held up, 505 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, and the network, the network kept at that 506 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: going way back in the way back machine. You know, 507 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: we need adult appeal, We need adult appeal, So we 508 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: did an adult to show, No more, adult show, no more? 509 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: What did you do that? You know? 510 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well, Chuck, we're so happy about your 511 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: wonderful news and you're so the best. 512 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: Correct questions you. 513 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna I'll email you so come so we. 514 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: Can do you again. 515 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: Bye, thank you, bye bye. 516 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: I want to squash him. 517 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 4: He's he's got a better memory than you guys. 518 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: He's can make it up and he's. 519 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: Good to just believe. I believe it. Everything is one. 520 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I just want to hear so many 521 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: stories because I feel like those are the things I 522 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: didn't hear from my dad back then, Like I did, 523 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: I didn't nowadays. If if he was around, I would say, 524 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: well he would that he'd be a hundreds, so that 525 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 3: wouldn't make sense to ask him questions now, But like 526 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: I want it as an adult, I would want to say, like, 527 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: why'd you do this? What are the choices? So it's 528 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: like vicariously I get to hear it like I get 529 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: to hear from Chuck, and I want to hear all 530 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: the stories, all the decisions and what was the process 531 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: behind them.