1
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

2
00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:18,920
Speaker 1: I've never told you production of I Heart Radio. Before

3
00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,160
Speaker 1: we start, just a quick content warning for this one,

4
00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,320
Speaker 1: because we are talking about slashers, So there's some sort

5
00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,800
Speaker 1: of violence and gruesome stuff. We're talking about some Harvey

6
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,240
Speaker 1: Wine scene stuff, so some sexual abuse and assault, some

7
00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,920
Speaker 1: stuff with um just not great treatment of women. Also

8
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,800
Speaker 1: some sluch shaming victim blaming stuff because again slashers and

9
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,280
Speaker 1: horror movies. But all right, let's get into it today. Um.

10
00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,479
Speaker 1: We want to thank a listener who sent in a

11
00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,159
Speaker 1: bunch of recent suggestions for our ongoing Halloween slash spooky content, Jessica.

12
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:59,560
Speaker 1: So thank you Jessica for suggesting we look into scream queens. Yes,

13
00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:08,040
Speaker 1: Ach hast been very, very fun. There are surprisingly a

14
00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 1: lot of definitions around screen queens and some confusion about

15
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,600
Speaker 1: what they were. I will say for me, I thought

16
00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:24,200
Speaker 1: a scream queen was basically a final girl, but iconic,

17
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,360
Speaker 1: like in multiple movies, has reached sort of legendary status.

18
00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,040
Speaker 1: That's what I thought A screen creen was. My idea

19
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,880
Speaker 1: of screen queen was literally those who screamed really well,

20
00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I may have been two on the

21
00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840
Speaker 1: nose because in my mind I have a picture of

22
00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,959
Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller. I think from I know what you

23
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,520
Speaker 1: did last summer, where's that scream? Where was like the

24
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,280
Speaker 1: horrid face? But is that shrill, perfect scream? And I

25
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,920
Speaker 1: feel like maybe because I've watched Supernatural way too many times,

26
00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,920
Speaker 1: and you know there's often someone's screams like I would

27
00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,160
Speaker 1: compare who could do it well? And because I do

28
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920
Speaker 1: that scream that high like you like terrified scream, so

29
00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was someone who could master that and

30
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,600
Speaker 1: would be for that had a completely different take. I

31
00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,320
Speaker 1: think together we're kind of correct, We're still we're missing

32
00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,080
Speaker 1: some pieces of it. Together, that's that's pretty much what

33
00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,560
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I will say as an actor, I

34
00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,160
Speaker 1: actually have trouble screaming. And it's not to do with

35
00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,600
Speaker 1: I can't do it, but it's just the ingrained nature

36
00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,959
Speaker 1: of being quiet and not bothering people is so damned

37
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 1: strong that I have trouble screaming. And it actually concerns

38
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,040
Speaker 1: me how difficult I find it to let go and do.

39
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's fine, but I think that the reason behind

40
00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,920
Speaker 1: it is not good. Well, I think about when we

41
00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,600
Speaker 1: go on roller coasters and how different people do it,

42
00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,040
Speaker 1: and there's still a truly scream. I usually just curse

43
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 1: the entire time in panic, that's my scream. Or I

44
00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:03,960
Speaker 1: also laugh cry. I've discovered that that. Yeah, I feel

45
00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:12,280
Speaker 1: like I usually like cheer or or just some silent anyway,

46
00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 1: So that's what we thought it was. We're also going

47
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,440
Speaker 1: to we're gonna go or some definition, some history, some evolution,

48
00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,600
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna look at some examples, both modern

49
00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,880
Speaker 1: and more classic. Yeah, examples. And I'm also going to

50
00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,000
Speaker 1: put this disclaimer here. I'm pretty sure miss Annie here

51
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,720
Speaker 1: found the perfect excuse to talk about her theories on

52
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,240
Speaker 1: the Scream movie trilogy. Now has to become more of

53
00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,920
Speaker 1: those because she doesn't love it. And then I looked

54
00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,720
Speaker 1: at what we were working and I was like, oh, okay,

55
00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:47,360
Speaker 1: I see half of this. Okay. I did not intend

56
00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,800
Speaker 1: for that to happen, but it did. I knew I

57
00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,480
Speaker 1: wanted to talk like immediately, I was like, I want

58
00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,400
Speaker 1: to talk about her. And actually, in our recent Dana

59
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Scully episode when I said I had already picked someone out,

60
00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,560
Speaker 1: I had picked her out. But then I was like, no,

61
00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,760
Speaker 1: I want to Scully. I want to do this Skully effect.

62
00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,320
Speaker 1: But then this I was like, well, I guess I

63
00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,040
Speaker 1: do get to talk about her, after all, Halloween has

64
00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,920
Speaker 1: come early for me. Yes, there's quite a bit of

65
00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,840
Speaker 1: discussion about scream. I can't wait to get to it.

66
00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,880
Speaker 1: But before we do, let's talk about some of these

67
00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,359
Speaker 1: definitions floating around. For scream queen, Cambridge Dictionary gives this

68
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,039
Speaker 1: definition a female actor who plays the main character in

69
00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,599
Speaker 1: a horror movie who gets frightened or attacked, or the

70
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,600
Speaker 1: character she plays. In other definitions, the screen queen refers

71
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,919
Speaker 1: to a specific, typically iconic character in the horror genre.

72
00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,080
Speaker 1: While there aren't have been many damsel and distress elements

73
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,800
Speaker 1: to scream queen, and we're gonna unpack that in a minute. Um,

74
00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,320
Speaker 1: they are often smart and capable, especially the more modern

75
00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,159
Speaker 1: iterations of them. The editor in chief of Rue Morgue magazine,

76
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560
Speaker 1: Dave Alexander, said, a scream queen is a female actor

77
00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,719
Speaker 1: in a horror film that is both intelligent, pro active, tough,

78
00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,359
Speaker 1: and overall a survivor, so she's generally the focus of

79
00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,080
Speaker 1: the antagonist rage. I would definitely say that screen queens

80
00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 1: are one of the strongest troops, one of the more

81
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 1: modern ones, and they are absolutely key in defining certain subgenres,

82
00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,360
Speaker 1: such as slasher movies. Yeah, I think that's a good one.

83
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,640
Speaker 1: So from wy s Geek, he says, a screen queen

84
00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,159
Speaker 1: is an actress who does a great deal of work

85
00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,480
Speaker 1: in the horror genre. Screen queens often become closely associated

86
00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,359
Speaker 1: with this genre of film and television, sometimes despite a

87
00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,600
Speaker 1: desire to break out and work in other aspects of

88
00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,440
Speaker 1: the industry. Some examples of notable screen queens include Faye

89
00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,680
Speaker 1: Ray Scout, Taylor Compton, Sarah Michelle Geller, and Jamie Lee Curtis.

90
00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,640
Speaker 1: Depending on the film and the actress, a screen queen

91
00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,000
Speaker 1: may be a victim or a female protagonist. Whatever type

92
00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 1: of role she plays, a screen queen is classically young

93
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,640
Speaker 1: and beautiful, though her beauty maybe more quote girl next

94
00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,320
Speaker 1: door than supermodel. Oh I guess you want to come

95
00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,560
Speaker 1: up on our slumber party. There's point of this in there,

96
00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,239
Speaker 1: with an emphasis on the idea that screen queen could

97
00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,560
Speaker 1: be a real woman. Yes, So, I feel like from

98
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,279
Speaker 1: these definitions, one of the big standouts to me is

99
00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,680
Speaker 1: I it makes sense now that I read these, but

100
00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,240
Speaker 1: I never thought it was the actor, And I think

101
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,200
Speaker 1: that's why I got it mixed up with like when

102
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,359
Speaker 1: I say iconic, because a lot of the ones we've chosen,

103
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,560
Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot of them, like

104
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,120
Speaker 1: we're this they're known for this one role, right, and

105
00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,520
Speaker 1: so they kind of it gets interchangeable almost of you know,

106
00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,599
Speaker 1: Laurie Joe, Jamie Lee Curtis. So I always thought of

107
00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,840
Speaker 1: it as more of the fictional character. But I think

108
00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,240
Speaker 1: it does make sense that it's the actor, or like

109
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,000
Speaker 1: at least it started that way, or like, oh, she's

110
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,240
Speaker 1: the screen queen, she can be in all these horror

111
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,640
Speaker 1: movies and screen really were right. And of course, but

112
00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,960
Speaker 1: the pipe that originated from screen queen, they said one

113
00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 1: one definition stated without really telling us why. But maybe

114
00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,320
Speaker 1: it's tell it the leading lady in very qualify situations.

115
00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,840
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, Yeah, it's sort of a take on

116
00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,840
Speaker 1: that that makes sense. And yeah, because I am such

117
00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,320
Speaker 1: a nerd, I looked up why do we scream? Very briefly.

118
00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,080
Speaker 1: Recent science suggests that screaming is dual purpose, alerting others

119
00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,720
Speaker 1: and sharpening our awareness. The brain processes screams differently than

120
00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,600
Speaker 1: others sounds. It's like quicker, it goes to the brain

121
00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,040
Speaker 1: more quickly. So it makes sense that these scream queens

122
00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,960
Speaker 1: are screaming, it's actually not. I feel like it's usually

123
00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,480
Speaker 1: portrayed as like, oh look how dumb she is or

124
00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,200
Speaker 1: how helpless she is, But screaming is it does surface

125
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,720
Speaker 1: purpose and it is useful. There are damsel in distress

126
00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,760
Speaker 1: elements we're going to talk about, but I just found

127
00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,440
Speaker 1: that interesting. I was also trying to get into, like

128
00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,280
Speaker 1: because there's a certain range that works the best, and

129
00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the audio, which is silly

130
00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 1: in the industry I work in, But I was like,

131
00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,160
Speaker 1: is that what women normally hit or men normally hit

132
00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,120
Speaker 1: or anyway future episode perhaps I had to stop myself

133
00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 1: that there you go. I did want to talk about

134
00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,440
Speaker 1: Final Girls because screen queens are closely related to the

135
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,720
Speaker 1: Final Girl's trope UM, and this is a trope that

136
00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,240
Speaker 1: was first coined by Carol Clover in you can go

137
00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520
Speaker 1: check out the episode we did on that UM. One

138
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,600
Speaker 1: of the very first episodes I did as a host

139
00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,160
Speaker 1: on the show was actually the one I did as

140
00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,440
Speaker 1: a test run to see if I could if I

141
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,680
Speaker 1: was had the stuff to be was Final Girls. So

142
00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,080
Speaker 1: it might be a bit rough because I was a

143
00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,120
Speaker 1: new host, but the content was pretty good. But basically,

144
00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 1: a final girl is the last girl to confront the

145
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,960
Speaker 1: killer in a slasher movie. She usually is young, white,

146
00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,520
Speaker 1: brown haired, more quote innocent than others, which means like

147
00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,440
Speaker 1: doesn't really drink, smoke, have sex. Again, horror movies are

148
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,600
Speaker 1: largely moralistic, especially towards younger people, and she has spent

149
00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,960
Speaker 1: the film being terrorized. Yeah, so this is such a

150
00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,720
Speaker 1: big trope that there are now movies called the Final Girl,

151
00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,280
Speaker 1: the Final Girls. I think there's a show it was

152
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,080
Speaker 1: like Key and Cabin in the Woods is the Final Girls.

153
00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,360
Speaker 1: So you know what it is like. Even if you're

154
00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,439
Speaker 1: kind of you never heard that term before, if you've

155
00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,719
Speaker 1: seen like a couple of horror movies, you know what

156
00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,600
Speaker 1: this is exactly. It's somebody you're meant to fill sympathy for,

157
00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,640
Speaker 1: and we're going to unpack that a little later as well,

158
00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,199
Speaker 1: but basically somebody the audience can really get behind and

159
00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,040
Speaker 1: really doesn't want this killer to hurt. Not all screen

160
00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,559
Speaker 1: queens are final girls. Scream queens don't always survive, though

161
00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000
Speaker 1: they often do. Some argue that the final girl is

162
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,640
Speaker 1: essentially another step in the evolution of the scream queen,

163
00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,000
Speaker 1: and when we get to the evolution section. We will

164
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,040
Speaker 1: dig more into that, right. And also, not all actresses

165
00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,600
Speaker 1: were thrilled at being typecasted as a scream queen. A

166
00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,320
Speaker 1: lot of them were not taken seriously and have spoken

167
00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,840
Speaker 1: about the emotional and even physical strain of portraying these characters.

168
00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,360
Speaker 1: And I think I told you earlier we're going to

169
00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,400
Speaker 1: be doing a review for Slumber Party Massacre. And one

170
00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,680
Speaker 1: of the women in that movie had done several other

171
00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,840
Speaker 1: B list, seed list horror movies and then ended up

172
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,560
Speaker 1: dying at a really young age, dying by suicide. She

173
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,600
Speaker 1: like had a whole rough go of it, and I'm

174
00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,800
Speaker 1: sure there's so much to her life, but I found

175
00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600
Speaker 1: that tragic that that was kind of her whole thing.

176
00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,440
Speaker 1: And I think it partially it did say within some

177
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,960
Speaker 1: of the biography of her that she couldn't land any

178
00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,200
Speaker 1: other roles, So her career was very stagnant, and maybe

179
00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,000
Speaker 1: because of stuff like this. And I've seen this talked

180
00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,160
Speaker 1: about in any typecasting, that once you become that iconic character,

181
00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to shake it. So yeah, And I mean

182
00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 1: I was reading an essay by somebody who loves horror,

183
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 1: and I was talking about this tripe and just saying,

184
00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, like imagine it's very physical, like you're running

185
00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,360
Speaker 1: and dodging and being scared, and it's just a it's

186
00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,680
Speaker 1: a drain. Yeah, very intense. So we're gonna talk about

187
00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,400
Speaker 1: some of the fact that some of these screen queens

188
00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,840
Speaker 1: were tormented to get that better reaction, which is ridiculous.

189
00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,960
Speaker 1: Here's another definition, which is a screen queen can also

190
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,720
Speaker 1: be referred to someone who is a fan of horror

191
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,800
Speaker 1: and may have even starred in one or two films.

192
00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 1: So I guess you could be a scream queen Anny,

193
00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,079
Speaker 1: I could be scream create. Weren't you in that vampire movie?

194
00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:19,120
Speaker 1: I've been a few horror movies title to add to

195
00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,000
Speaker 1: my name. There is also a show called Scream Queens

196
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,120
Speaker 1: that originally appeared in created by Ryan Murphy. It was

197
00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,760
Speaker 1: canceled after two seasons, but is getting a revival, and

198
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,319
Speaker 1: the show followed some hilarious, unaware and privileged sorority girls

199
00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 1: as they tried to discover the identity of a murder.

200
00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 1: I guess hilarious was like editorial of me, but it's

201
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,439
Speaker 1: supposed to be funny. They're not necessarily trying to be hilarious,

202
00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be funny. Uh, and all these

203
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,280
Speaker 1: murders are linked to a death caused by a childbirth

204
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,560
Speaker 1: at a house party twenty years earlier that the sorority

205
00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,720
Speaker 1: members trying to cover up and has a really amazing

206
00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,320
Speaker 1: cast Um Billy Lord, Ariana Grande, Abigail Breslin, and Robert's

207
00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,600
Speaker 1: Kiki Palmer, Lee, Michelle Jonas, Taylor Lawtner, John Stamos, and

208
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,760
Speaker 1: perhaps most importantly for our conversation today, Jamie Lee Curtis

209
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 1: as the Dean, who is very much not the role

210
00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,920
Speaker 1: she typically plays, scream clean. That's like she flirts with

211
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,559
Speaker 1: younger dudes. He doesn't just flirt, y'all. Oh, so you've

212
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,520
Speaker 1: seen it? Yes, I saw the first season. Okay, did

213
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:27,000
Speaker 1: you like it? Yeah? It definitely so. Have you watched

214
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,239
Speaker 1: many of Ryan Murphy series. I've seen a few American

215
00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,520
Speaker 1: horror stories, so it's very much follows his typical style.

216
00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,640
Speaker 1: So it's kind of one of those The first season

217
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,400
Speaker 1: is typically really good, like it has a new way

218
00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,160
Speaker 1: of doing things and has a great idea, and then

219
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,760
Speaker 1: it kind of falls apart slowly and like it goes

220
00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,959
Speaker 1: too far, it goes too long, it's too abrupt. All

221
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,800
Speaker 1: those things to say. But I did enjoy the first season.

222
00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,800
Speaker 1: It was very tongue in cheek, over the top. It

223
00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of did that whole parody level. There was no

224
00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,520
Speaker 1: mistake in the fact that it was a parody to

225
00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,720
Speaker 1: anything to it. Yeah, and of course I had to

226
00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,960
Speaker 1: watch Jamie Lee Carters because I pretty much loved her

227
00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,880
Speaker 1: and almost everything. And Nissy Nash is in this too,

228
00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080
Speaker 1: so she was fantastic in her role in this. But yeah,

229
00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,880
Speaker 1: so I enjoyed it. There's some scenes in there that

230
00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what just happened? What am I watching? And

231
00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,679
Speaker 1: of course the opening scenes. The reason that the young

232
00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,400
Speaker 1: girl giving birth dies is because the sorority girls here

233
00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,160
Speaker 1: don't go chasing waterfalls by TLC. And they're like, we

234
00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,079
Speaker 1: have to go dance and leave her to die so

235
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,040
Speaker 1: they can go dance to the song at the parting.

236
00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,400
Speaker 1: It's a very tongue in cheek from the very beginning. Okay, wow,

237
00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:44,000
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, yeah, I mean it's it is interesting

238
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 1: I heard in researching this. I think I knew this before,

239
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,520
Speaker 1: but I forgotten. But Jamie Lee Curtis is kind of

240
00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,440
Speaker 1: afraid of horror movies, so I didn't know this. Yeah,

241
00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640
Speaker 1: I think That is interesting when we're talking again about

242
00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,800
Speaker 1: like the straight and emotional physical that they can date

243
00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,000
Speaker 1: and in hair saying like, I don't even like the

244
00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,000
Speaker 1: horror movies, and I can just imagine that being really intense.

245
00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, from what I hear, this show is very

246
00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,760
Speaker 1: it's meant to be very meta, very parodies Scream is.

247
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,560
Speaker 1: I know it's well loved, I know it has some

248
00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,720
Speaker 1: problematic elements, but yeah, I want to put that in there. Yes,

249
00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,040
Speaker 1: hopefull I get to watch it somethin I'm I didn't

250
00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,280
Speaker 1: know there was going to be a revival, and I

251
00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,920
Speaker 1: don't understand why there's gonna be a revival. So it's

252
00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,800
Speaker 1: a revival of almost literally everything we're talking about on

253
00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840
Speaker 1: here right now, and that is not a joke. When

254
00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,320
Speaker 1: we get to the characters that we chose, the screencreency chose,

255
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure every single one. Okay, alright, interesting, So

256
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about the evolution. As mentioned, the screen Queen

257
00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,520
Speaker 1: has evolved over the years. As we said, many of

258
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,720
Speaker 1: the early Scream Queens, like Fay Ray in King Kong

259
00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,920
Speaker 1: are very much damseled in distress. Again, we're thinking is

260
00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,000
Speaker 1: coming from screen Queen, so she's very iconic, blonde, beautiful,

261
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, tormented by monsters who spent the entire time

262
00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,840
Speaker 1: screaming and crying and fainting and kneeding rescuing. I just

263
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,200
Speaker 1: remember her like flopping about and you know, um King

264
00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240
Speaker 1: Kong's arms as just like when it passes out. Yeah,

265
00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,160
Speaker 1: I forgot about the fainting. Yeah, how common used to be.

266
00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,880
Speaker 1: She looks up and face again, and looks up and

267
00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,120
Speaker 1: face again. Yes, she's often sexualized for the male gaze. Yes,

268
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,800
Speaker 1: she has less and less close throughout the movie, more

269
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,880
Speaker 1: of an object than a fleshed out character. And she

270
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,680
Speaker 1: was not the one to confront the villain, but rather

271
00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360
Speaker 1: coward from them, serving as the prize for the man

272
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 1: who did um or she died at the hands of

273
00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,640
Speaker 1: the villain like Jane at Lee's naked in the shower

274
00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 1: and I go. But Lee also helped give birth to

275
00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,760
Speaker 1: the next generation of screen queens, literally and figuratively, yes,

276
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,280
Speaker 1: which I did not know until you pointed the sound. Yeah,

277
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,720
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the daughter. Like she brought on

278
00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,560
Speaker 1: a whole new generation of screen queens. Yes, because Janey

279
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,520
Speaker 1: is Jamie Lee Curtis's mother. I diuld not know. As

280
00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,960
Speaker 1: audiences taste and attitude shifted, and awareness of the genre

281
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,840
Speaker 1: and his problematic trips grew. The scream Queen evolved. She

282
00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,480
Speaker 1: became more self aware and dependent and intelligent. She was

283
00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,640
Speaker 1: still sexualized, though not as much like one of those

284
00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,840
Speaker 1: definitions said earlier, kind of more of that girl next

285
00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,520
Speaker 1: door sort of thing. Innocent Definitely. She spent a lot

286
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,160
Speaker 1: of time screaming and crying, but she had more agency

287
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,040
Speaker 1: and competency. She was often a hero, able to survive

288
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,080
Speaker 1: and out with the villain even in the face of terror,

289
00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,200
Speaker 1: though sometimes she did still need saving. I totally forgotten

290
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,560
Speaker 1: original Halloween the doctor psychiatrist guy. Yeah, I totally forgot.

291
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,160
Speaker 1: He showed up and was like, oh, knew it, but yes.

292
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,399
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis speaking of is one of the most

293
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,600
Speaker 1: iconic screen queens from this period right and nowadays, as

294
00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,840
Speaker 1: some of the classic screen queens are reprising their roles

295
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,400
Speaker 1: in a new additions to their franchises, the two has

296
00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:21,800
Speaker 1: expanded to include proactive, traumatized vengeful seekers. Uh. They spend

297
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040
Speaker 1: the entire film show facing off with a villain instead

298
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,879
Speaker 1: of spending most of it as a terrified victim before

299
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,520
Speaker 1: becoming the empowered survivor I know, and a lot of them.

300
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,119
Speaker 1: When they do have old characters come back, they're the

301
00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 1: ones that usually die. Yeah, a lot of kerry. So

302
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,000
Speaker 1: they had the original young lady who survived the whole thing.

303
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 1: Because she did, she wasn't allowed to go to the

304
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,160
Speaker 1: prom in the remake that just happened. She actually dies

305
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,760
Speaker 1: saved them, I believe. I feel like that's a it's

306
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,120
Speaker 1: a narrative tool of both, like here's this character you

307
00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,240
Speaker 1: probably loved, so you can have that nostalgia factor and

308
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,160
Speaker 1: then taking the risky move of killing them off, which

309
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,680
Speaker 1: is either going to really make people angry or make

310
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,640
Speaker 1: them care h losses real In this movie, there are

311
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 1: emotional steaks, but I feel like that happens a lot

312
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,240
Speaker 1: when something's being revived. They bring back the whole character

313
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,359
Speaker 1: and then kill them. They did um. Yeah. They also

314
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,080
Speaker 1: do a lot of teaching and educating the new generation

315
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,119
Speaker 1: on how to survive, and the new generation usually ignores

316
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,840
Speaker 1: them until it comes back to flashback. I was like, oh, yeah,

317
00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,560
Speaker 1: they said do this. They're they're crazy, they don't know

318
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,360
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That person is a cuckoo, right,

319
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 1: which is what I saw with Silent Hill. Annie. Oh,

320
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we talk about that anyway, and

321
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520
Speaker 1: their trauma is more apparent and explore, so they do

322
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 1: do a little bit of a fleshing out at least

323
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: like past traumas um and some have even become feminist

324
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,199
Speaker 1: icons us again, like we look at Jamie Lee Cardis

325
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 1: as a feminist icon as being a scream coein that survives,

326
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 1: yeah all the stuff. Yeah, well, and that's interesting. As

327
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 1: as I said it, I think I wonder if one

328
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 1: of the kind of evolution of the scream queen is

329
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, it goes from Jamie Lee Curtis is too

330
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,480
Speaker 1: pure and still does need saving and the original Halloween, like,

331
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: even if she did survive and she was competent, a

332
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 1: man still had to come in because they didn't want

333
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 1: her to be the killer and like dirty herself in

334
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 1: that way, whereas this next evolution is they're coming for you.

335
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna get that killer. But yeah, you could argue

336
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,439
Speaker 1: that this and the Final Gulf trope plays into the

337
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 1: idea of the perfect victim. The fact that these are

338
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 1: tropes that revolve around women being victimized was calculated the

339
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 1: belief that women would get more sympathy more easily from

340
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: the audience, that they were weaker so it was scarier

341
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: um and that they could still be sexualized for them

342
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: Mail kays. Some researchers even argue that we've fetishized women's pain,

343
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: particularly when we are looking through the eyes of the

344
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: killer as he torments women, usually with a phallic weapon.

345
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: You can again see our past episode on Final Girls

346
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 1: for more of my thoughts on that, which there are plenty.

347
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: And then, while the villain of the movie sometimes gets

348
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 1: the credit for keeping franchises going, others point out that

349
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: really it is the protagonist that the scream queen we're

350
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: rooting for. Many often point to nine Halloween as the

351
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: introduction of the menacing villain that can't be killed like

352
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: that whole trope. Halloween kind of was the beginning of that.

353
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 1: Some critics argue as absence and Halloween three season of

354
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 1: the which was why that movie bombed. And I also

355
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: have thoughts on that, and you can see the movie

356
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: Crush episode I did about that one and Night Road

357
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: elm Street three Dream Warrior featuring another screen queen, Antsy

358
00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,360
Speaker 1: Yes Nancy also Final Girl. I think she also dies

359
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: in the newer versions, right, I think she did die

360
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: in Dream Warrior. She did die, but I think they

361
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: brought her back. Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought

362
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: she like it felt like a death that she would

363
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: return from. But anyway, you could also argue, have weeen

364
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: introduced this iconic villain's foil, the consummate survivor who rises

365
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: up and defeats them, only for them to do the

366
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: whole thing over and over and over and over and

367
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: over again. So we do have some examples, both classic

368
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: and more modern. We're going to start with mine, which

369
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: are the more modern ones, and then and with kind

370
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: of you know, the the icon And yes, there's kind

371
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff about Scream in the middle,

372
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: but you mentioned Sarah Michelle Geller, and she is also

373
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: somebody that I think of when I think of scream Queen,

374
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: so we wanted to start with her. She earned the

375
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: Scream Queen designation after landing roles and things like Buffy

376
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: the Vampire Slayer Screamed too. I know you did Last

377
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: Summer and The Grudge, and I know what did Last

378
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: Summer is. I don't know if a reboot is the

379
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: right word, but there's a show on Amazon Prime right now,

380
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, you can see past host and Lauren over

381
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: from Savor guested on an episode past host of spent

382
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: he did on Buffy van Purslayer. If you want to

383
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: learn more about that role and its impact. I think

384
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: Lauren and I also talked about her when Lauren was

385
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: a guest once again to discuss the whole why didn't

386
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: you believe her? Trope and Horror and I her roles

387
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: have an interesting dichotomy when it comes to her Scream

388
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: Queen's status because on the one hand, Buffy was a

389
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: feminist icon and catapulted her to stardom, and this was

390
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: a character who was strong and badass feminine, directly confronting

391
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: the monsters and leading the Scooby Gang. She didn't do

392
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: a whole lot of screaming from what I remember she did,

393
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: but not not too much. In the Grudge, she was

394
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: competent um and confronted her fears and the ghost and

395
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: slashes like Scream too and I know what you did

396
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: the summer. Though she has portrayed as something bordering but

397
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: not quite a bimbo, She's definitely a step above. And

398
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't want this to sound a great at all,

399
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: but like in terms of like movie stereotype, tropes. That's

400
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: sort of the vibe she had. I definitely her death

401
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: and I Know What You Did Last Summer was the

402
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: one that hit me the hardest that movie because she

403
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: was so close. The parade was really right there. Ah,

404
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: it's slightly different, maybe more like people perceive her as

405
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: the bimbo because she's beautiful and blond, and that perception

406
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: influences her life and both. I think she's a twist

407
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: on the trope um which is often called the horror

408
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: and horror movies. The horror trope who has to go

409
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: first because she's beautiful and has sex usually makes what

410
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: the viewers are meant to interpret his poor survival decisions

411
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: and scream too. She's a callback to a joke made

412
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: in the First movie where in Sydney, the main character

413
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: says she hates horror movies because quote some stupid killer stock,

414
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: some big breasted girl who can't act, who is always

415
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: running up the stairs when she should be running out

416
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: the front door. It's insulting. So this is how Sarah

417
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: Michelle Geller dies and screamed too, Like she runs up

418
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: the stair. She does try to go to the front door,

419
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: She runs up the stairs, then get stabbed and then

420
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: thrown over the balcony. But I don't think it's ever

421
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: implied we should be laughing at her that she's dumb um,

422
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: just more like meta horror commentary and poking fun at

423
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: the trope. Almost formulaic, but it's making fun of the formula.

424
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: It's just an interesting kind of trying to suss out,

425
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: because I mean, at least for me personally, I was

426
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: never like, oh, she was dumb. Of course she's gonna die,

427
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she is kind of filling that trope,

428
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? All right, But okay,

429
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: speaking of Scream too. In Sydney Prescott, let's talk about

430
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: Scream and Nev Campbell. Oh my gosh, I have so

431
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: many thoughts. We've talked about one of her most well

432
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: known roles before when we did an episode on The Craft,

433
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: but her turn is Sydney Prescott and the Scream franchises

434
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: what put her firmly in screen clean territory. And we

435
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: should also say a lot of these actors have done

436
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: stuff the ones we were talking about, and we have

437
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: done stuff outside of horror, but they're sort of known

438
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: for this one role when it comes to the horror World. Anyway,

439
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: I know Nev Campbell really made headway as Party of

440
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: five sad girl, but I think it's that sad girl

441
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: thing is why she was so perfect for Scream. That

442
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: whole like persona of being sad, innocent puppy eyes made

443
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: her the perfect Sydney Prescott. Yes, yes, she's definitely, especially

444
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: in the first one and especially at the beginning of

445
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: the first one, she is like kind of a very

446
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: sweet girl next door innocent character. It does change, and

447
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: I do. I love this character and I love Scream,

448
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: and I know there are problematic things in these movies

449
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about that, but this is

450
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: one of the first horror movies and slasher that I saw,

451
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: which is funny in retrospect because the whole thing is

452
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: meta and poking fun at the horror genre. So I

453
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: was like watching these movies that are big joke about horror,

454
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: and I really hadn't females horror and especially much slashers.

455
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen them, they're very tongue and sheet,

456
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: they're very self aware of the genre. They're firmly in

457
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: the slasher comedy category. Actually, when we were watching Slumber Party,

458
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: Masker there were some things where I was like, I

459
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: wonder if they were inspired by Slumber Party Massacre right.

460
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: The scene feels very reminiscent. The first movie debuted in

461
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: and was followed by Screen to Scream three, Screen four,

462
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: now Scream five, which is set to come out in

463
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: January two. At their core, they sent her on Sydney

464
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: Prescott and the serial killer or killers trying to murder

465
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: her and a bunch of people in her orbit. Sydney

466
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Prescott grew up in Woodsborro, surviving being the target of

467
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: seven serial killers so far, so many. There's gonna at

468
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: least one more, maybe two or three, including one who

469
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: was her half brother. And that is one way this

470
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: franchise is different than something like Halloween. The ghost face

471
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: serial killer is always someone different. It's not the same

472
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: person coming back over and over and over again. She

473
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: has physically confronted them and outsmarted them on several occasions.

474
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Calling back to hardship. She always takes the final just

475
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: in case shot to make sure they're really dead, except

476
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: one time, so it's in the third one she didn't.

477
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: So Sydney is quite the kill count and has lost

478
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: quite a lot of people in the In the movie.

479
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: She wrote a book about her experiences and hopes of

480
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: helping others, but the fame and attention just once again

481
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: made her the target of a serial killer, another family member.

482
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: In fact, that's something. These movies examine the fame aspect

483
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: of serial killers and those that survived them, and part

484
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: with the fictional in world film series based on the

485
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: events of Scream called Stab. There's a lot of commentary

486
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: on art imitating life in them. After her mother was murdered,

487
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: she provided the key testimony against Cotton Weary and yes,

488
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: the names are fantastic in these movies, the man her

489
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: mom was having a fair with, though it later turned

490
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: out she was wrong, not about the affair but about

491
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: him killing her. I saw the first two movies when

492
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I was nine years old. I saved up and purchased

493
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: about nine horror movies from a shop called media Play

494
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: that isn't around anymore, but it used to be like

495
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: a big deal. My family would go. The guy who

496
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: was checking me out did not say anything, didn't card

497
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: me or I mean, obviously I was nine, but he

498
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. And I mean, looking back, should I

499
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: have been watching these know? But for some reason I

500
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: immediately love Scream and I loved Sydney. I loved the

501
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: fun of pointing out the tropes and still using them,

502
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: of making you suspect everybody you have, directly discussing the

503
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: rules of horror movies and surviving them. No sex for women,

504
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: no showing your tits, no drugs or no alcohol, never

505
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: say I'll be right back. And the sequels they expound

506
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: on those rules, and they based it on like what

507
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: happens in the sequeal, happens in the trilogy, all that stuff.

508
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: They even comment on Jamie Lee Curtis being a Scream

509
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: queen and also her boobs. Of course I bought the soundtracks.

510
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I tried to pull off the haircut, which I was like,

511
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing it now for sure. I did

512
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: not pull it off when I was a kid. No, no, no,

513
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: no no. But I did love Sydney. I loved how

514
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: she flipped the tables on the killers at the end,

515
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: how she toyed with them and she scared them ultimately

516
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: killed them. We see her standing up for herself and

517
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: punching Courtney Cox's character Gale Weathers, not once but twice,

518
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: and they still have like an interesting friendship thing going on.

519
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Later how I I really appreciated how they did explore

520
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: her trauma and or PTSD and her survivals, guilt, um

521
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: things all. And people used to dismiss her like, oh,

522
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: there's not another killer, it's just you have had trauma.

523
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: She's like, but there's dead bodies and I yeah. She

524
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: was suspicious of boyfriends and eventually everyone, but she still

525
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: wanted to help. In the beginning of the third film,

526
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: she's working in anonymously at a women's crisis counseling center

527
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: and her trust and boundaries are repeatedly violated. And the

528
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: second one, she is compared to Cassandra, which is also

529
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: comparison that comes up in the Last of Us. Able

530
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: to see the future, but cursed so that no one

531
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: will listen to her. She's clever and cunning, brave and resilient,

532
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: often funny, ready with aquip of her own to the killer.

533
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: She has so many good quotes, so many good quotes. Yeah,

534
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: and she also has like equips for reporters or print callers.

535
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: And she's strong and fast and good with weapons, often improvised,

536
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: always pretty determined to uncover the killer's identity. Um. She's

537
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: definitely the heart of these movies and the killers always

538
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: target her and they say Hello Sydney, which is sort

539
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: of the catchphrase. Um. In fact, when I told somebody

540
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I was doing an episode on screen Queens, the first

541
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: thing she said was Hello Sidney. So while these movies

542
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: are in a lot of ways satirizing, the slashers, she's

543
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: not portrayed for comedic value are made fun of. She

544
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: is funny, she's not really made fun of. I did

545
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of the things around six

546
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: and her mom in these servies because Sydney has a

547
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: lot of trauma around sex and the first movie, she

548
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: is a high schooler who's painted as the innocent girl

549
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: next door type when her boyfriend Billy Loomis, who she

550
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: later finds out as the killer who has just been

551
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: dating her for revenge, which is awful, sneaks into her

552
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: bedroom at the beginning of the movie. He pressures her

553
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: to have sex, saying he's ready to move their relationship

554
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: to rated R and that she has a chastity belt

555
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: on and he would like her to remove it. She

556
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: asked if he's okay with a PG thirt movie instead

557
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: and flashes him, but the audience doesn't see her breast

558
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: right before the climax movie, she does have sex with

559
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: Billy just before he reveals himself and his friends to

560
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: as the killers. And just a note, she did suspect

561
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: Billy early in the movie and she was right too,

562
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: but he gaslighted her real hard and made her feel

563
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: really guilty about it, which is in part why she

564
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: agrees to have sex. Um that the only reason, but

565
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: it is a factor. After they called her, they said

566
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: because she had sex, she loses and has to die

567
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: and that she shouldn't have quote given it up um

568
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: And later this is flipped when her trauma was manipulated

569
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: to make her suspect her boyfriend, only for the killer

570
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: to kill him after she realizes he did not in

571
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: fact do it, which was very very sad. Okay, but

572
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: speaking of the whole plot is essentially spurred on by

573
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Sydney's mother cheating. Are some other grievance against her, including

574
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: her turning away her child, Sydney's half brother once again

575
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: blaming it on the mother, so the killer blames her

576
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: for their killing. In fact, the killer in the second

577
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: movie brings that up. It's like you always blame the mother,

578
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: which is interesting because she is the mother and she

579
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: is the killer, but that's neither here and r there. Um.

580
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: One of the killers said that Sydney's mom was flashing

581
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: her all around town even though she's no Sharon Stone.

582
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Because of this, Sydney is understandably reticent around sex and

583
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: talks about she has trauma around the fact that the

584
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: whole country knows about how her mom cheated and that

585
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: they seem to blame her for her own death i e.

586
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Sex she was having led to her mom's death in

587
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: Sydney's mind, and everyone knows it and has an opinion

588
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: they're happy to discuss about it. She sees how her

589
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: mom is let shamed and victim blamed, and she's kind

590
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: of taking these precautions to make sure she is not.

591
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: In fact, in the first one. No one takes her

592
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: seriously because of her mom's bad reputation, thinking Sydney is

593
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: just out for more attention, and as the movies explored

594
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: this idea more. It turns out her mom, Maureen, went

595
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: to Hollywood to become an actor, starring in many B

596
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: horror movies, becoming something of a scream queen. However, the

597
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: producers took her to some party whereas implied, she was

598
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: promised roles that she never got an exchange for sex,

599
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: and she was so triviatized by the whole thing she

600
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: went on to have a lot of sex and a

601
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: lot of outside marriage, thus leading to all these serial

602
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: killers looking to get revenge on her and her daughter.

603
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: This is what the serial killers kind of say. This

604
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: is sort of their explanation of it um which, yes,

605
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot of blaming of women and the mother going on,

606
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: and that moralizing that horror movies often do. So I

607
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: would argue I never personally blamed Sid's mom for these

608
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: mostly dudes killing people, and a lot of it is

609
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: painted a Sydney struggling with her mom's past and feeling

610
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: hurt that there was so much about her she didn't know.

611
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: Sidney directly comments on this in the third one, telling

612
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: the killer he only kills because he wants to. Why

613
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: don't you take some big responsibility? And that part also

614
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: has one of my favorite curses in film history, damn

615
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: it so good. And here's where it gets really interesting.

616
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Slash real world upsetting. Scream three takes place in Hollywood

617
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: on the set of Stab three and brings to light

618
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: the trauma her mother went through there. The producers saying

619
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: something along the lines like she was asking for it.

620
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: This is Hollywood, that's just what happens. That's how women

621
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: get parts. That there were these parties where men in

622
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: power in the entertainment industry would get women drunk and high,

623
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: and then the women would be taking advantage of the

624
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: actress playing Sydney and stabbed three later says she slept

625
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: with the producer to get this part. These movies were

626
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: executive produced in part by Harvey Weinstein, so it's very

627
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: hard not to think that this is a commentary on

628
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: what was going on, not just with him, but with

629
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: Hollywood at large. Rose McGowan, who started in the First Scream,

630
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: later described mine scene raping her. A year after the

631
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: movie came out. Many articles have been written about this.

632
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Um Adam White wrote in the film was quote an

633
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: angry indictment of sexual misconduct in Hollywood, predatory men and

634
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: the casting couch. The editor said that Wes Craven's intentions

635
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: around this. Weinstein asked producer in screen three word quote, West,

636
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I think was very interested in that character as not

637
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: necessarily the villain. He certainly is a villain, but as

638
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: a catalyst for the villain's motivation, he's really the spark

639
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: for the events, or retcond that he is the spark

640
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: for the events in the entire series. Sydney's half brother,

641
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: the killer and child of their mother, Maureen. The producer

642
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: says that what they did to their mom made her

643
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: a slut that's his words again, not mine, and ruined

644
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: their lives. Also, Carrie Fisher has a cameo as a

645
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: carry Fisher look alike, saying Carrie Fisher only got the

646
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: role of Princess Leiah because she slept with George Lukiss

647
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: And with a lot of movies I've watched lately, it

648
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: has been interesting this. This even comes up in White

649
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Black Swan is kind of the woman must have slept

650
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: with them to get whatever they got. That is the

651
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: only way. So yeah, it is upsetting that this is

652
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: enough of a thing that they're like, yeah, we'll make

653
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: a movie on it. And then, just to wrap up

654
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: this very long Sidney Prescott section, I did watch the trailer.

655
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: I was kind of putting it off because I think

656
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: I actually would be devastated if she did right, But

657
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: the trailer for screen five came out like the day

658
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: we were talking about doing this, but it had a

659
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: lot of things we're talking about, where she says like,

660
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm Sydney Prescott. Of course I have a gun. I've

661
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: been through this a lot. Um. There are certain rules

662
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: for surviving don't with the original. So we'll see, we'll

663
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: see what happens. Yeah, yeah, good Rundown. And you've been

664
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: waiting and holding that in because I already had half

665
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: the speech when we watched Screen three, I did. I

666
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: was like, I have to tell you all these things.

667
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: I am that annoying. First we had to purposely good

668
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: at that weekend, like we have to watch this you've

669
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: never seen and I'm like, no, oh my god. And

670
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: then and then she told me everything. Yes, I try

671
00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to hold it back, but sometimes I just can't. She um.

672
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: And of course we couldn't talk about screen queens. And

673
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: we've already mentioned her a few times, but we had

674
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: to take a deeper look at the icon herself, the

675
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: true legend Jamie Lee Curtis, and she even won the

676
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Greatest of All Time Award from the MTV for her

677
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: patrol as again the true screen queen. And though the

678
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: term screen queen, like we said before, may have originated

679
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: from the term screen queen, we can see that Curtis

680
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: shaped a whole new brand of Queens of Horror. As

681
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, the movie she's most noted for, which

682
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: is Halloween, brought on several firsts, including the new jamesl

683
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: not so in distress Um and again also known as

684
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: the final Girl that kind of started happening like, Oh,

685
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: she survives. She is savvy, but she does hold that

686
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: trip of being virginal and sweet, eat and naive, but

687
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: not too naive because throughout she knows something's happening really

688
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: creepy leg and yeah, and she's back with a vengeance

689
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: between her taking on the roles within the series like

690
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Scream Queens, and a couple of new movies to continue

691
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: with the Tale of the Unkillable Killer. Michael Meyers says

692
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, but she also was in other horror

693
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: movies pretty much immediately after Halloween, which included prom Queen,

694
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: The Fog, and Terror Train. I have never seen any

695
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: of these, have you. I think I've seen prom Queen

696
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: and the Fog. I don't think I've seen Terror Train.

697
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Now you have another one to watch, yes, as her

698
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: iconic performance as the sweet babysitter Laurie Schroeder that brought

699
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: on a whole new generation up screen queens. And this

700
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: whole also trumple with a babysitter because I became a

701
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: huge thing for a while. Concluding the phone Call Inside

702
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: Your House, that very trope set in a fictional town

703
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: in Illinois, where we see the now cliche but new

704
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: at the time, of a woman being scared from an

705
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: unknown character who not only comes to stalk her, but

706
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: to kill off all her friends before he comes for her,

707
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: only to come out alive, and she returns for another

708
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: round in Halloween two, which I don't think I've ever

709
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: seen that one either. Did you see this one? I

710
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: have seen. I think I've seen all the Halloween's except

711
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: the newest one, because all her friends died that one

712
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: to most of them, Okay, I would not be friends

713
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: with her, I'm sorry. And then again in Halloween h two. Oh,

714
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: and now in the newest movie in the lineup, Halloween Kills.

715
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: I haven't watched that one yet. Did you say you

716
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: watched it? I have not, so I have friends who've

717
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: seen it, and I've gotten their reviews. Because, as I said,

718
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I do like slasher movies, but they're not what I

719
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: normally seek out, and I have gotten I mean, I

720
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know with the right word for it is some

721
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: people say you've just gotten older, but like since a bit,

722
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: like I'll get sad, Like all this is sad. They're

723
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: just killing all these people, and especially if it's like

724
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: really grizzly and the new newer Halloween one, not this

725
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: newest one. I got pretty uncomfortable, which I think is

726
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: the point. But yeah, I was uncomfortable, and so I

727
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: was like kind of waiting to see what people said

728
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: and the reviews I got where it's extremely dark, extremely nihilistic,

729
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: very very gory. Um and that Lori spoilers ten seconds

730
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: skip ahead, spends most of it in coma, as she

731
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: did in Halloween to oh, yeah she does. She isn't it,

732
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: but she's coma for most of it. Yeah, I did

733
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: see that she's not really present, and I didn't know

734
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: what it was about because I don't know much about it.

735
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: I know one of the premiers though she does dress

736
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: up as her mother from Psycho if you want to

737
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: go see those pictures as well, Janet Lee Um. But yeah,

738
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: so she has been a part of this dynasty now loyalty.

739
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're calling them swam queens, and

740
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: she would be the first person that would pop in

741
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: my head as we speak of her and her iconic roles.

742
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's also she was one of the few

743
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: that was able to break out of that as being

744
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: really comedic in her performance. She was in true lies,

745
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: a whole different conversation in itself. So she has been

746
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: she's been able to really bust through that. And she again,

747
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: as you said, she didn't love horror. She doesn't like

748
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: being scared and having this as part of her trope.

749
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: Like what But yeah, but it wasn't just Jamie Lee

750
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Curtis who shined as a scream queen, but yeah, her

751
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: mother Genet Lee. Now Genet Lee's role was fairly minute,

752
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: as in, like it wasn't very long. Um, she was

753
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: in the movie Psycho for a short amount of time.

754
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: Like you see her, she is being very suspicious, running

755
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: away in her car. She goes to the hotel and

756
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: at this point in time we find out like she's

757
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: had an affair, she's taken some money. Not a very

758
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: likable character and will come back to that in a minute.

759
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: And at the same time, we see the peep hole

760
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: right where the dude comes through and then we see

761
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: the infamous shower scene, which has been replicated uh and

762
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: been parodied. I don't know how many times that scene

763
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: alone made her an icon all in itself, but she

764
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: wasn't the only damsel in distress, though not quite a damsel.

765
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: And we should probably explore this more later in a

766
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: different episode, maybe as Hitchecock really like making beautiful women

767
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: somehow always be a partial villain, if not completely villainous

768
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to the point that you weren't sad that they died. Um,

769
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: and they typically were very beautiful, blonde Hollywood women. That

770
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: this is the type of women Hitchcock had in his movies. Uh.

771
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: And he was actually known again for hiring and oftentimes

772
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: tormenting these beautiful, blonde leading ladies, to the point that

773
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: he was quoted as saying, I always believe in following

774
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: the advice of play victorians, sard torture the women. So

775
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: he actually said that out loud as if it was funny,

776
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: and he didn't just torment in the actual movie. There

777
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of times that these women are punished

778
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: by going through some type of tragic death in the movies.

779
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: And he would also go after the ladies off camera.

780
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: There are allegations of sexual misconduct, verbal abuse, stalking, and

781
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: outright harassment. He even went as far as to demand

782
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: control over these ladies clothing and fashion um, even when

783
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: they were not filming, so he actually had their stories

784
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: of the fact that he sent people to follow Grace

785
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: Kelly when she was a part of the Rear Window project.

786
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: And then of course there are those who would say

787
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: this was for the sake of the movies that he

788
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: was directing, but there's always the underlying misogyny and overall

789
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: self hate apparently perhaps similar to those who identify as

790
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: in cells that he was able to tap into uh

791
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: to push himself to be to use these type of tactics.

792
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: I will say there's been reported a lot that he

793
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: really felt like he was really ugly and told people

794
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: how unattractive he was, but he also tortured blonde women

795
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: as the women he could not have. There are also

796
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: conversations that he was fairly um. He wasn't sexual like

797
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: he rarely like engaged in sexual activities from what people

798
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: are saying, to the point that there are some allegations

799
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: that maybe he was homosexual, maybe he was gay um

800
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: but just never came out. But there were stories that

801
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: he actually tried to sexually who worse his actresses, And

802
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: in any case, again he pushed the lady ladies into

803
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: the genre of screen queens that we do see today,

804
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: from Janet Lee in Psycho to Tippy Hedron in The Birds,

805
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: which scared the out of me as a kid, because

806
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I know people already know they used real life birds,

807
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: did not care that it was attacking this woman, and

808
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: according to a few reports, she was the one that

809
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: was probably most harassed also in two of his movies.

810
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: So she had written in her memoir about the awful

811
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: things that Hitchcock did to her, and perhaps uh it

812
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: did help bring a whole new level of scream queens

813
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: where it wasn't that these ladies were awful ladies dying

814
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: in horrible ways. But there's a little bit of justice

815
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: now at the end. But it never really ends, does it,

816
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: does it? Though? Never as long as we keep seeing

817
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: these movies. But also, yeah, there has been a Psycho reboot, remake,

818
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: a reboot on a lot of the Psycho, rear Window

819
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: and The Birds yet so I find a couple of

820
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: things interesting about this one because I saw Psycho probably

821
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: when I was in high school much later in my

822
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: horror movie. It might have even in college. And when

823
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: I saw it, because I'd seen all these other horror

824
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: movies first, and I just grew up in a different time.

825
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: There was no part of me that was like, Oh,

826
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: she's a bad person deserves to die. I was shocked

827
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: she died. I knew I've seen the shower scene, but

828
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: I was shocked. It was so freaking early beginning, Yeah,

829
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: because they're kind of her painting it as like, Oh,

830
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: she's gonna be like the main character, maybe be tormented throughout,

831
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: and then like her sister shows up, and I was like, oh,

832
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: because there has to be Like even then, I was like,

833
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: the almost always has to be this woman, this pretty

834
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: woman for the villain to torment. But I just think

835
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: that was an interesting experience because I was just seeing it,

836
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: not from those eyes right right. And I am uh

837
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: a huge fan of old movies, like I love musicals,

838
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: I love the old things. But when you start realizing, um,

839
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: some of the awful taxics behind it and some of

840
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: the actualities of these movies, including most of Hitchcock films,

841
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell? And it does change what

842
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: you saw versus what you thought you saw because yeah,

843
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: you never if you don't pay attention, you really don't

844
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: know why she ran away. For the longest time, I

845
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out why she ran away, like

846
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it. I don't get it.

847
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: She's meeting somebody, I don't get it. And then you realize, oh,

848
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: she embezzled money. Yeah, she's a she's a heartlot, as

849
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: they would say, because she had an affair with a

850
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: very flirty boss um. But yeah, there's also because he

851
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: does this to all of them, there's something that's like

852
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: a little off about the women that they're not purely innocent.

853
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Does the same thing with strangers on a train, like

854
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: to the point that there was almost like a sigh

855
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: of relief with some of the audience watched her being

856
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: strangled to death, and you're like why, But because he

857
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: made it that way, he wanted that trope to be

858
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: that way. And I found that very fascinating to like, oh, man,

859
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: you are really twisted and you had a lot of issues, bro. Yeah,

860
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to be said that. I

861
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: feel like one of the more recent examples when I

862
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: was watching The New Drastic World, and there's that like

863
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: babysitting character. I might have told this story before, but

864
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, she was supposed to be so annoying, and

865
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, she was not that annoying,

866
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Like I would be annoyed too if my boss was

867
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: like heard her these two random kids and watched them.

868
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: But when she died and she dies like a long

869
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: drawn out death, people were laughing and I was like, wow, Okay,

870
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: But I kind of get the vibe, like I get

871
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: having like a villainous character and being relieved when they're gone.

872
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: But I feel like with these women like often that

873
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: they're not like maybe they're not great, but it's not

874
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: like that. How do you think she deserved to be

875
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: staffid peeping Tom because he had mommy issues exactly. And

876
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of the thing. Like it's almost like this

877
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: early version of the Scream Queen before there was the

878
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: final girl was like the horror trope, like she was

879
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: the one that was she was pretty and she was

880
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: having sex, so she has to go, but there wasn't

881
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: Like I guess her sister was more innocent when she

882
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: showed up. Another thing I find interesting about this example

883
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: when you type in like scream queens, I for me

884
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the examples that come up on like

885
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: Top twenty Screen Queen List, it was like one actor,

886
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: one role, which this one is I kind of people

887
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: know that scene. It had a huge impact. Like Nancy,

888
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: like we talked about from Nightmare on Elm Street, she

889
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: was in you know, a couple but not that many.

890
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: But for me, like a screen queen is like Jamie

891
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis or something. But it is interesting how many

892
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: actually that they represent the movie, right if you think

893
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: of that movie, that's the person you see in your head. Yes,

894
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: and this isn't to like say that if you're if

895
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: you're not j b Lee Curtis, then get out screen

896
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: queen of mine. It was just interesting how many of

897
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: them were not kind of what I thought, which was

898
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: somebody who does a bunch of horror just like remember

899
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: this one role and they did it so well and

900
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: which also makes sense, but it shows the kind of

901
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: the varied landscape of people's understandings of a screen queen

902
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: is right in trilogies didn't happen until that's true away

903
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: a little bit later. So that's kind of that you

904
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: don't have that reoccurring things that's more recent. That is

905
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: that is true, and plenty of of the women I'm

906
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: thinking of on these lists, like even Sarah Michelle Keeller.

907
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: It's not like she's done a bunch. I don't know

908
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: that I would count Buffy the day personally. I get

909
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: that it is she doesn't have that one role where

910
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: she plays the European mid century princess. So they do

911
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: the Halloween costumes and they transform into whatever costume they're

912
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: wearing from that shop. Oh does Xander's army military dude?

913
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know this one? What's her name? She

914
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: turns into a ghost. This is what we get introduced

915
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: to seth Green. Uh do you not remember any of that? Really?

916
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: It was a big one where like because she turns

917
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: into this like Danzel in distress and hides behind Xanders,

918
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: Zanders will be like the big bad guy and Angel

919
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: shows up. Was like, what is happen? Oh? I thought

920
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: you were talking about a different movie. Ok, Okay, I

921
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: got it. I just remember that horror face she had.

922
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: She did it so well, there's definitely irritating. Well, she

923
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: was being a damsel one distressed. Yeah, she's there are

924
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: some episodes of Buffy where she's definitely terrified, for sure,

925
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: it's just I guess in my mind it doesn't really

926
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: fit if you look at the whole the depth of it, right,

927
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: that was not that often. But anyway, anyway, all that

928
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: to say, there's there are a lot of places we

929
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: could have got people we get have picked up. I

930
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: like who we did. I feel like we touched on

931
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: some big ones. I didn't want to have an honorable

932
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: mention Sigourney Weaver from Alien, Ghostbusters, The Village Cabin in

933
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: the Woods um which he has directly comments on the

934
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: Final Girl Shop and she's sort of the god do

935
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: a macana in that movie. And you can see our

936
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday on Alien and the movie Crush episode

937
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: that I did on Alien. But yeah, we've been going

938
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: on for a minute now. I guess we should wrapped

939
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: this one up. Thanks again to Jessica for this suggestion.

940
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: It was a fun one. Um. If you would like

941
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: to suggest anything for us to talk about listeners that

942
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: you can, we would love to hear from you. You

943
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: can email at the Stuff Media mom Stuff at I

944
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: heart media dot com. You can find us on Twitter

945
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: at mom stow podcast or on Instagram and stuff I've

946
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: Never told to you thinks it's always to our super

947
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: producer Christina, thank you and thanks to you for listening

948
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: stuff I never told the production of I Heart Radio.

949
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: For more podcast on my heart radiovi is the Heart

950
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast orhere you listen to your favorite shows.