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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, a Bar Garcia, and Derek

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Speaker 1: Eagleton this Wednesday, April fourteenth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number one oh five. Welcome to latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. We're presented by Geico, and we were live

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Speaker 1: from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and

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Speaker 1: got my crew here whipping Nick Eatman and we've got

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Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. Day's night in today, but we'll try to

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Speaker 1: make it work. We got a lot to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a lot of different topics. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna start first talking about some of the offseason training.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot going on around the NFL with

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Speaker 1: regards to this topic. We've seen a lot over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days with regards to some of the

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Speaker 1: teams and how they plan to handle offseason training. We'll

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Speaker 1: get these, we'll get these ideas or we get ideas

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Speaker 1: from this group with regards how we think that will

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Speaker 1: affect the Cowboys, and then we're gonna talk draft. I've

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Speaker 1: always heard it said from people who work in football

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Speaker 1: that you really can't judge a draft until you're at

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Speaker 1: least three four years into the players playing. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go back to the twenty sixteen draft, and we're

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna walk through those players and see what

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Speaker 1: you guys think about how good of a pick they

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Speaker 1: ended up being for the Cowboys. I see that look

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Speaker 1: to go. Got a lot of opinions to give us. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what it's like. We always talk about how

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Speaker 1: Will McClay. He's great. I think his staff is great,

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Speaker 1: Ready to jump in. I'm ready to go all right.

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Speaker 1: This first topic though, I did this because I know

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Speaker 1: It is the second segment of The Break, live from

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Speaker 1: by Geico. We're gonna talk draft. We got the draft

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Speaker 1: starting up two weeks from tomorrow, and as I said

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Speaker 1: before the Break, like, you really need a few years

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Speaker 1: after your draft picks to really be able to evaluate.

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Speaker 1: And I know after this draft we'll have a ton

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Speaker 1: of people that will be out there saying giving draft grades,

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Speaker 1: but it's just really premature. Into you can see how

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Speaker 1: get how guys get into the league and how they

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Speaker 1: how they how they acclimate to their jobs or new

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Speaker 1: jobs or new environments, and then you can determine. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go back to twenty sixteen and beyond I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen and forward and talk about each

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Speaker 1: of the draft picks the Cowboys have made. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give a name, and I want you guys

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Speaker 1: to tell me if you think they exceeded expectations, they

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Speaker 1: met expectations, they're below expectations, or they were a bust.

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Speaker 1: Question are these expectations as far as in the general

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Speaker 1: public and what just overall people thought about the player

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Speaker 1: or personal expectations, personal expectations. But I think I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for more based upon where they would draft. So what

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Speaker 1: you would generally think of a first round pick? Did

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Speaker 1: he meet your expectations? Second round? Did he meet your expectations?

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Speaker 1: It's because I think that factors in sure. Everybody has

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Speaker 1: different thoughts on that right now. I mean, well of

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Speaker 1: what you think of first or second and third, you know,

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Speaker 1: and also where in the first round are you are

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Speaker 1: you taking these guys? Yeah, alright, let's start with the

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Speaker 1: first one. Twenty sixteen first round pick, Zekiel Elliott met expectations,

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Speaker 1: above expectations? Where is he? Um? I think he certainly

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Speaker 1: met the expectations. I think he's above them a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm really yeah. I think I mean when when you

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Speaker 1: when you drafted to him, when they drafted him, and

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Speaker 1: you said he's gonna leave the league and rushing in

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Speaker 1: three times, and uh, he's gonna be you know, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna single hand, not single handedly, but he's gonna carry

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Speaker 1: this team right now on his back with a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna go, and they're gonna go, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirteen and three. Um wow, you know you're not expecting that,

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Speaker 1: expecting a really good running back, but you don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you expect all of that. Now he you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been five years and he's kind of he's he's

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Speaker 1: starting to trend downwards. So you wonder this is a

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Speaker 1: big make or break year for him to kind of

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Speaker 1: like where his career is going to be defined. But

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Speaker 1: I think he's definitely met the expectations. I think he

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Speaker 1: exceeded them a little bit. From me, I would agree

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Speaker 1: with that. I think he exceeded it just because of

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Speaker 1: just like Nick mentioned, the how much he carried the

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Speaker 1: team and how much load was put on his back

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Speaker 1: when he got here. Just taking everything into account, I

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Speaker 1: think he and I guess, knowing and me watching since

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Speaker 1: I started working with the Cowboys all the different running

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Speaker 1: backs and what they had done up to this point,

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Speaker 1: and then here comes this guy called Ezekiel Elliot and

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Speaker 1: goes in there and does what he was doing. To me,

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Speaker 1: it was impressive and it definitely was above what I

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Speaker 1: was expecting from a running back. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'd go all the way with above expectations. I think

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Speaker 1: he met expectations, and that probably is because my expectations

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Speaker 1: for the fourth overall pick in the draft is exactly

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Speaker 1: what he provided. He came in here and was immediately

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Speaker 1: an impact player, probably one of the best players. I

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Speaker 1: probably was one of the best players on this team.

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Speaker 1: Had some off the field stuff that he had to

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Speaker 1: deal with, but was by far among the best in

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Speaker 1: the league since he's been in the league. So that's

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Speaker 1: what you would expect from before a number four overall pick.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I wouldn't put above that is because

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Speaker 1: of last year. Really, you look at his performance last year,

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Speaker 1: you look at his production last year, you start to wonder, like,

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Speaker 1: is this kind of the plateau? I have we already

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Speaker 1: seen the plateau for him? If it's a number four

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Speaker 1: overall pick, you expect him to still be ascending at

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Speaker 1: this point in his career. That I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: I want to see what happens this year. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Nick, this is a critical year for him

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, because I want to see if last

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Speaker 1: year was an aberration or if it's a situation where

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Speaker 1: he's still ascending. It was just a weird year for everybody.

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Speaker 1: He was coming off, you know, having a I mean,

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Speaker 1: then he was coming into a situation where you had

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Speaker 1: COVID and and just not everything was not set up

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Speaker 1: the way that it should be to get success out

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Speaker 1: of your running game. You missed the two tackles, you

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Speaker 1: didn't have the quarterback. There's a lot that you can

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Speaker 1: point to, But that would be the reason why I

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Speaker 1: didn't say he exceeded it. Okay, I thought you wanted

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Speaker 1: to go back. I mean, you know, it's just you're right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, fourth overall pick. You expect that. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know he's in here. This is six year you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in midway through his fifth year, he's the

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Speaker 1: third all time leading rusher in Cowboys history. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know that's impressive. That's impressive. I mean, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's easy to answer that now

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Speaker 1: and say, well, he's starting to kind of go down

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but I mean he I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: if you would have just said on draft day or

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Speaker 1: oh man, everyone's excited all this stuff. You know, everybody's

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Speaker 1: saying LFG, you know, Zeke, And if you said this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a stats I've been like, Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I was a little bit more impressed by by that.

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Speaker 1: And again this is not me saying I'm not impressed,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he's done his job. He's certainly

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Speaker 1: done his job, and I think he's earned everything he's

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Speaker 1: gotten here. I think the difference is, like, that's what

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Speaker 1: I would expect from a fourth from the fourth overall

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft. I expect him to be Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame caliber. And so he's on that line. And

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Speaker 1: so let's see where he goes from here. He's still

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Speaker 1: got some more years to put in and if he's

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Speaker 1: going to get to the Hall of Fame, but he's

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Speaker 1: on that track, right, and that's where I think he

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Speaker 1: should be. All right, let's walk to the next one.

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Speaker 1: This will be interesting. The second round pick for the

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Speaker 1: cow Boys that year was one Jalen Smith. He was

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Speaker 1: thirty fourth overall pick at the beginning of the second round.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think he falls, exceeded met below or bust.

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Speaker 1: This is tricky because of the expectations of the pick

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Speaker 1: and the player. Not just the thirty fourth overall player.

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Speaker 1: This is the I mean the pick, this is the

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Speaker 1: player specific, player specific. He exceeded expectations for me, without

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Speaker 1: a doubt. He made the Pro Bowl. He exceeded expectations.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't sure he was ever gonna play. I really didn't,

563
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Speaker 1: and neither do they. They didn't know. They didn't know.

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Speaker 1: They had a good idea because the guy that did

565
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: the surgery was one of their team doctors, but the

566
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Speaker 1: nerves had not had they haven't fired up yet. They

567
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: didn't know, and for him they did. They finally got

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Speaker 1: to play. He's made a Pro Bowl. Is he everything

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Speaker 1: you want him to be? No, he's not. He's not,

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Speaker 1: and he frustrates people in many different ways at this point.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that he played, got that contract, all

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Speaker 1: that he exceeded my expectations for what I ever thought

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Speaker 1: he was going to be camp such a tricky one.

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Speaker 1: That is one. Yeah, I mean I'm just so so

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Speaker 1: in defense of exceeded because of the injury aspect. But

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Speaker 1: then it's I don't I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I choose skip, I skipped this. No, that's what you

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Speaker 1: don't have. No, No, I really don't know, because it

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Speaker 1: depends how far you look at it. I thought a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, after the he got back into

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Speaker 1: you know, when he got back and got into the

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Speaker 1: field with the Cowboys and all that. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he has some some growing to do and some hesitation

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Speaker 1: in his movements and all that. And then you started

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Speaker 1: seeing some improvement. And then he got to the point

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Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, we're past the injury. Now we're

587
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Speaker 1: actually evaluating him and looking at him as a legit

588
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Speaker 1: NFL linebacker. But then he wasn't meeting those expectations for

589
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Speaker 1: me as a when you start judging different linebackers around

590
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Speaker 1: the league. So it's just I guess met with a

591
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: little exceeded just because of the injury. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know as of right now. He I would call it

593
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Speaker 1: a bus but no, depends how far. But well, no,

594
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Speaker 1: he did sign a new contract. How the far how

595
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: long is a contract for I was like a five

596
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Speaker 1: year deal. I mean, you could say he's a bust,

597
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Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, not as a bus

598
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Speaker 1: as a draft as a draft pick. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you could say that now, but you could say, and

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Speaker 1: we usually don't turn the word bust on free agents,

601
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Speaker 1: you know, but from the free age from the time

602
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Speaker 1: he signed the contract to now, he certainly has not

603
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Speaker 1: met expectations. He's below expectations as a player after in

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Speaker 1: his second you know contract, it's a better way to

605
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Speaker 1: put it. Also make the case for everybody that's signed

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Speaker 1: a contract other than maybe Zach Martin. You know, we

607
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Speaker 1: disagree a little bit. And then you know d law

608
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Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, you and I disagree on law Yeah,

609
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Speaker 1: I mean I think he's met expectations. But that's also

610
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Speaker 1: because I don't value him justin Sachs. I value him

611
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Speaker 1: in a lot of other things too that I think

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Speaker 1: he's contributed to this team, particularly his ability to stop

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Speaker 1: the run and just to make impact plays. Like I

614
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Speaker 1: think he is the most impactful defensive player you have,

615
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Speaker 1: and that's what you're paying him to be. And I

616
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Speaker 1: don't think you can name another guy that's been more

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Speaker 1: impactful than DeMarcus Lawrence on this defense. No, But if

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Speaker 1: you said, hey, okay, and where is he on that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's in twenty fourteen. Okay, he's not

620
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Speaker 1: even on this Ye, he's not on this list. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, but that just says how much like he's

622
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Speaker 1: still here up to twenty fourteen and productive? Right? That? Right?

623
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Speaker 1: But you say, all right, we're paying you to do this,

624
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Speaker 1: and then on the day he signed to be like, so,

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen in the future. What do you

626
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Speaker 1: see in the next few years? While guys, I see

627
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Speaker 1: myself getting about six sacks one year, three and a

628
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Speaker 1: half another, I see us being on the worst defense

629
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Speaker 1: in the history of the Cowboys as far as giving

630
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Speaker 1: up points. But I'm gonna be the best of that,

631
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, Okay, he can't help the

632
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: guys that are around him. He could you really go

633
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: like that defense last year? He was not the problem.

634
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I left games saying, man, DeMarcus Lawrence,

635
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: like they gotta do something about him. That was not

636
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: the problem. He's the best of the group. But I mean,

637
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Speaker 1: I mean, somebody's got to be the best of a

638
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: historically bad defense. And I'm just saying, if he was

639
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Speaker 1: that much a twenty one and a half million dollars

640
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: year player to rush the passer, you could make a

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Speaker 1: little bit more of a difference, That's all I'm saying. So, so,

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Speaker 1: name a guy that is in the league that is

643
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Speaker 1: that caliber player that doesn't have other guys on the

644
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: defense with him, like other good players on the defense

645
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: with him. I don't know. I don't know what the

646
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Bears have. I don't I don't know. Well, we know

647
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: the sack totals over there. What you would expect for

648
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: the amount of money they're paying him either like, no, no,

649
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: it's not. And again it's not always sacked totals. It's

650
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: it's it's pressures and and laws got a lot of

651
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: pressures he's got. He's got a lot of pressures there on.

652
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is is that everybody gets someone. You're

653
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: on the worst defense in the history of the Cowboys

654
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: as far as giving up points. Everybody, we got it.

655
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: Nick Okay, keep saying that, keep saying that, about saying

656
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: he gets a lot, he gets a little bit too.

657
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if he said he didn't. Imagine if

658
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: he said, no, I did my job. I mean, I

659
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: get public enemy number three. I get it. When you're

660
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: the leader, by default, you have to take yeah, part

661
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: of the blame when things don't go well. I get that.

662
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I think the Cowboys paid him

663
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: to be the best player on their defense. That's how

664
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: he's being paid. I think he is that Now he

665
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: can't control what they do in draft and free agency.

666
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: When it comes to the corners and the linebackers and

667
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles and all that other stuff, he can't

668
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: control that, so he can only play with what he has,

669
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: so he can do what he can do. And if

670
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: offenses say, hey, we're gonna take him out of the game,

671
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to limit him, it requires somebody else

672
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: to step up. And if you're not willing to step up, yeah, okay,

673
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean your environment and the people that you have

674
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: around you, Despite of how good you are, it does,

675
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, affect your own personal

676
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: performance because it's kind of like depending on the energy

677
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: and who's like, you need someone else to be able

678
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: to do that. And if you look at the flip side,

679
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: we just talked about Zeke, and I think that's exactly

680
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: the same thing that happened on the other side of

681
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the ball. Zeke wasn't you know, to me, he was

682
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: the best player there, but he wasn't able to do

683
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: what he was expected to do because of the situation.

684
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: So the same thing goes with del and I expect

685
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: more from him. You line up predominantly on the left

686
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: side of the defensive line, you're facing the opposing team's

687
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: right tackle every play. I would imagine you would get

688
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more healthy, I mean more sack than that,

689
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: and getting chipped and getting doubled. That all goes with

690
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: it too. Le Let's not leak that out. I get it,

691
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: but that's they all get chipped and they all get doubled,

692
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: and you've got to be able to make some more

693
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: than others. I'm guessing Duran's Armstrong doesn't get the same

694
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of attention as DeMarcus and on every other every Tuesday,

695
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't get the same attention either in baking. Let's know,

696
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: we're spending too much time on a guy not on

697
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: this list. I've realized during this conversation, I've realized this

698
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: is gonna span into next week's show. We're two players

699
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: in on five years worth as well. So yeah, there's

700
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: one player on this twenty sixteen list we can we

701
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: can definitely skip over if we want to. But well, okay,

702
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm actually I want to make sure we get to

703
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: him because obviously it's gonna be real quick. But let's

704
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: start with let's let's go to the Lee Collins, he

705
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: was a third round pick in twenty and sixteen, is

706
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: he above at or below expectation. He met expectations for me,

707
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: a third round pick. For me, you go up there

708
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: and you be a be a good player, to be

709
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: a solid player, have some have some good moments, be

710
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: a start, and uh, you know, in time to sign

711
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: a contract, I mean you get you get now. He

712
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: didn't get money here. You got to remember, big difference

713
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: here in evaluating these guys is that there was coaching changes,

714
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: head coaching changes, but also coordinator changes, and one of

715
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: them happened when he was up for contract. Do you

716
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: want to go to a guy that drafted you, Rod

717
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Marinelli and the Raiders and go there or do you

718
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: want to try a different scheme here? So you know,

719
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: I think they would have liked to keep him, but

720
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: not at that money. So I thought he met expectations.

721
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: I don't really know how you judge a third round pick,

722
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: but based on personal expectations, I think to me he

723
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: exceeded them, especially towards the last year. Honestly, he's not

724
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: a guy that attracts a lot of attention or gets

725
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: attention overall, but his last year I remember a training

726
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: camp and in games I would be watching him and

727
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: I began appreciating his value a lot more than I

728
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: used to. So to me, I think that towards the

729
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: end he didn't exceed expectations. My judging, I expect a

730
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: third round pick to definitely make the team, but to

731
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: be a contributor as a rookie, whether it be special teams, rotational,

732
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: and then also at your position, by your second year,

733
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I think you should be definitely be competing to start. Remember,

734
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: they drafted you with the thought that you could get there.

735
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: You should be starting by your second or third year,

736
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: at least if it's defense, at least in one of

737
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: those guys that plays a lot in a heavy rotation.

738
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: And so you know, and and and then you know,

739
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: if you make the Pro Bowl or you're you're that

740
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of player, then you're certainly exceeding all that. You

741
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: can't say every third round pick is Jason Witten, you know,

742
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: because some of them are j J. Wilcox. I mean,

743
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: you know which which you know he started games too.

744
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of third round. He started,

745
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a great player. But you know, the

746
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: third round you never really know. But I thought he

747
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: met some Yeah, I think that's why the pick matters, right,

748
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: is because you're in a third round pick, you're not

749
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: expecting them necessarily to be great, Like they might not

750
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: get that second contract from you, and they only he

751
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: got a one year deal with the Raiders. Now he's

752
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: got another deal with the Texans, so he's kind of

753
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: got it. Might bounce around for a few more years,

754
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: ends up with a I don't know, seven to ten

755
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: year career for a third round pick, and he's going

756
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: to be starting at a lot of those stops. That's

757
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: a pretty successful career for third years around pick. So

758
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: for me, he met expectations, didn't exceed it, but he

759
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: met expectations. All right, real quick, before we take our

760
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: final break, let's talk about Charles Tapper, fourth round pick,

761
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: first fourth round pick for the Cowboys. Met expectations below,

762
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: expectations below below expectations. He did not. He didn't. He

763
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: didn't hardly do anything. And I don't think he's in

764
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: the league at all, So no, I would expect him

765
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: to be more of a contributor. What what did we

766
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: use to turn bust on because about the same bus. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

767
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: that's fine. I forgot him. If you if you wanted

768
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: to run bust, I think you could. Yeah, yeah, I

769
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: mean he was injured so much and poor guy. I

770
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: felt terrible. He had zero luck and great guy, great

771
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: you know the stories heartbreaking, Yeah yeah, and always with

772
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: a smile on his face. Great dude, honestly, but it

773
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: just sucks. He had the worst luck. Every time got

774
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: injured with something, it was something else and something else.

775
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: So we never really got to see him too much.

776
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: And he you know, sometimes players get judged by guys

777
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: around them. Yeah, so when you're the when you're the

778
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: first of two fourth round picks and the second one

779
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: turned out pretty good, all right, it's gonna be tough

780
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: for that first first. But he didn't play, and he

781
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: didn't he was he was a bust. I mean, I

782
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: think fourth round. I don't think anything past fourth round

783
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: is a bust. See I disagree with you that they

784
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: just don't show up and they were overweight and they

785
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: didn't ever make it to camp or something. But I

786
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: it's hard to bust as a I personally think once

787
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: you get past second round. I'm dicey about giving the

788
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: term because I look at that and I'm like, I

789
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: don't think he was a bust for fourth round. There's

790
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: a reason why you're in the fourth round. They're probably

791
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: risk associated with you from a play standpoint, maybe from

792
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: an injury standpoint, whatever the case might be. I don't

793
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: look at him a bus I just think that was

794
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: a chance they took in the fourth round and it

795
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out for him. That's not a bust because

796
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he's in the fourth round. I'm

797
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: not as proper guys, so my vocabulary. So you're like,

798
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: he's a bus No, but great guy. I just I

799
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: always felt it's really bad for him. Yeah, all right,

800
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take our final break and we come back.

801
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: He well, you want to just knock this one out

802
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna say, exeare it's pretty easy. Exceeded expectations.

803
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: Don't need to say much about that one. All right,

804
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: So we got one more done. We'll go to our

805
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,879
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Speaker 1: it out, but that that's what Nick is talking about.

853
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: That's what you need to get. If you're gonna be hyah,

854
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: you give it to me, all right. So this is

855
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: the magazine Nick is talking about. Star Magazine is the

856
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: Draft Special. Um, if you're going to be watching the draft,

857
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: you need this like you need this. This is the

858
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: bible of the draft. You can have all the players

859
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: in here and Nick, your team put this all together

860
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job. But it's an opportunity for you

861
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: to know about all the picks throughout the draft that

862
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: you can follow and you can follow a lot and

863
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: kind of know what players are left on the board,

864
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: read a little bit about each one and just kind

865
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: of know kind of follow the draft. So it's a

866
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: it's a must. Half should check it out, get it

867
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: if you haven't gotten it already, and use it for

868
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: Draft weekend. That's one of my favorite smells. If you

869
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: have like an odd smell, that one. This this like

870
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: freshly printed magazine. When I was a kid, and we

871
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: used to go to like my dad would take me

872
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: into games, Like I would always get the game program.

873
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: I collected them, and there's just when you get a

874
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: new program, when you're sitting in the stands an hour

875
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: early and you're you know, thumbing through it and all that,

876
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: and you st just the smell like that is one

877
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite Like it's a distinct smell, but it

878
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: really just comes back to going to games as a kid.

879
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: But like, that was one of my favorite things that

880
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: actually takes me back to the days of Jose Cruz

881
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: and say Sarceadanio Astros, Astros. When I was a kid,

882
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: that was always like I wanted a program so I

883
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: could just flip through and see all the players up close,

884
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: see their pictures. And yeah, it does. You're right, it

885
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: brings back the memories. It's not a smell so much

886
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: as much as it's just the memories associated with it.

887
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump back in. We're talking about the draft.

888
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: We're instill in two and sixteen draft. We're not gonna

889
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: get very far on this, but what do you have

890
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: a few other guys in two thy sixteen and one

891
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: that I think is of a pretty significant consequence, sixth

892
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: round pick quarterback Anthony Brown met expectations below expectations or

893
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: exceeded expectations. He exceeded expectations for me. In fact, I

894
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: mentioned him a lot here lately when when we're talking

895
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: about do you trade around, do you trade picks? Do

896
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: you move up? I want to get as many picks

897
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: as I can. And because if you go and look,

898
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many years we're gonna get

899
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: to go here in the last five years, but if

900
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: you look at all of the drafts, every draft, I

901
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: believe in the sixth or seventh round, the Cowboys are

902
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: somebody's is helping you, somebody's playing one year. There's a

903
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: couple of guys, maybe this twenty sixteen. So you know

904
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: you're throwing stuff at the wall in the six or

905
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: seventh round. See what sticks, and and things have been

906
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: able to stick a couple of times, and they don't always,

907
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: but you know you draft three or four guys in

908
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: those rounds, are you're gonna get one? Anthony Brown has

909
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: exceeded for me, agree, mainly because of how much the

910
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had to use him and rely on him.

911
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: So I mean from a guy drafted at that round,

912
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: I would imagine they would be gone by now. I mean, yes,

913
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean a lot sooner than

914
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: got a second contract. You know, he's one of the

915
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: higher paid guys. I mean, he's not he's great player

916
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: by any means I mean, but he's been a serviceable

917
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: player that started in some games, and he's made some

918
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: plays for you, So it definitely exceeded. This is the

919
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: quintessential example of what they call a value pick. To

920
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: get a guy like this in the sixth round, and

921
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I actually forgot he was that low of a draft

922
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: pick for some reason in my mind, I was thinking

923
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: he was a fourth round pick. But to be a

924
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: sixth round pick and be a guy that's giving you

925
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: quality starts. Again, he's not great, We're not going to

926
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: pretend like he's great. But a guy that can give

927
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: you solid production at the cornerback position enough for you

928
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: to keep him back for a second contract, and you

929
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: got him in the sixth round. That's a valuable use

930
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: of a draft pick. And this is where I think,

931
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: and you mentioned it, Nick, as we go through this

932
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: over this show. In the next show, this is where

933
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I think Will and this team do such a phenomenal job.

934
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: You can look through all of these drafts and there

935
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: are six and seventh round picks that have made the

936
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: team and not only made the team, but have ended

937
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: up starters for the team. Now, you could also, on

938
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, you could say, well, maybe

939
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: that's why the defense hadn't been as good as it's been, Like,

940
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: that's why they've had some of the results because they

941
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: don't have as good a talent. But you get the

942
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: six or seventh round pick. So if you have an

943
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: argument with that, it's not about what they used the

944
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: sixth or seventh round pick on. It's what they did

945
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: with free agency and what they did with those earlier

946
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: pick to get those more impact players, because you gotta

947
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: have these kind of glue guys on your team. And

948
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I think they've done a phenomenal job here, and I

949
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: think Anthony Brown's a good example of that. All right,

950
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: let's move on to Cabon Frasier sixth round pick bove

951
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Met below. I guess maybe Matt, judging on the round,

952
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I would say, Matt, I mean, you definitely did not

953
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: get as much used from him as you did with

954
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, but he and he struggled with injuries and

955
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: all that and had to battle with that being off

956
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: the field. But I think, I mean, they got a

957
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: decent use out of him when they needed to. So

958
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: I would just say, Matt, yeah, well I was probably

959
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: say exceeded again, it's just my expectations. I don't always

960
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: expect these guys to make the team. Uh, you know

961
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: when he made it a few years he was here,

962
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: a good special teams player. Uh, started a couple of games,

963
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: but uh, you know it just I thought I thought

964
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: he was. He was a good role player still in

965
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: the league. I believe the place for the moment Dolphins.

966
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think he's been good. Yeah when

967
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: you go again, you got a six round player. Yeah

968
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: that five years later, still playing in the NFL. To me,

969
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that succeeding expectations. That's what you want. And I think

970
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: he provided what what he needed to provide for this team,

971
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: being drafted where he was. Finally that that draft ended

972
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: with a six round pick. Darius Jackson running back above

973
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: met below? What do you think met? I mean, bounced around,

974
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: played Okay, was never good enough to make the team,

975
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: probably came here three times, had some injuries. Um, just

976
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: you know just just was a guy. It wasn't I mean,

977
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: didn't really wouldn't below It's hard to be below expectations,

978
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, low in the draft low. Yeah, I guess

979
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: so the same thing is he. I mean they just

980
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: could never find a place for him. But he served

981
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: as a body for practice and all that. So I guess, Matt,

982
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're listed, like if you missing

983
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: a guy here, But I mean Rico Gathers was in

984
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: this draft too, in the sixth round. Did you can

985
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: veniently leave him off? No? I didn't. I accidentally left

986
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: him off and stuff. The first time I've accidentally left

987
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: him off. Something just it happens, and you know he

988
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: But see, I think it's a good example of that's

989
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're this is when you start taking risks.

990
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have done it their whole like for sixty years.

991
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: They've been doing this. You never know. I mean Antonio Gates,

992
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember when he was actually drafted. I mean

993
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: he didn't play. He didn't play a lot of football

994
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: at all. He played played basketball. Turned out to be

995
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: a great player. I mean, doesn't always work. Jimmy Graham worked,

996
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: it didn't work, but I mean, you know, I think

997
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: I think he he made expectations. You know, he can

998
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: even say exceeded them because he actually played in a game.

999
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: He learned how to do it and played in a

1000
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: game and he wasn't great, but he played something. He

1001
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: caught a couple of passes. He was a good preseason player.

1002
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: So you know, it's fun to talk about while it lasted.

1003
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Would I still wish they would have tried him at

1004
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: a different position and just given that a try, because

1005
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: he just didn't have the talent And I know he

1006
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: played basketball and all that, but he just didn't have

1007
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: the talent and the body flexibility to play that position

1008
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: at tight end. So I regret them not giving him

1009
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: a chance at another spot. Maybe he would have performed

1010
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: better there. But yeah, that's a total experiment. Yeah, I

1011
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: think offensive line. I mean, it's just that's what I

1012
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: wish he would have done. His offensive line. I think

1013
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: he could have been a Yeah, they're really good. You

1014
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: look at the guy and the name parsation right now. No,

1015
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: but that's another example. But the guy ended up in Philadelphia,

1016
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: came from Buffalo, who's still playing for Philadelphia now. He

1017
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: was a guy that that originally was a that kind

1018
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: of athlete. I think it was a tight end, so

1019
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Don Andrews, No, I mean Jason Peters. Jason Peters, he

1020
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: was originally a tight end, right, Yeah, well yeah, I

1021
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: mean he went to Arkansas, he was originally defensive end

1022
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: until they needed him to be tied end and you

1023
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: know the level of athleticism exactly right, and turned into

1024
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: a really really good left tackle, right, So you're right, yeah, Ish,

1025
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it will be on that ballot. I don't

1026
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: know if he gets it, but he'll be on that ballot.

1027
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: So so yeah, you're right. It could have turned into

1028
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: something completely different. But I think everybody was hoping that

1029
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: this turns into go ahead, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry, No,

1030
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna say everybody was hoping this will turn

1031
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: into the next tight end that used to be a

1032
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: basketball player. Yeah, because that was you know, that's kind

1033
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: of been the m O. The problem is is that

1034
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Jason Peters, Jeremy Parnell, those guys that they want to

1035
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: figure out a way to stay in the league and

1036
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: on their body types a little different too. Um, the

1037
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: guys that probably should have done that but didn't. Rico Gathers,

1038
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: you can make the case for Martellis Bennett. I think

1039
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: Martell's Bennet could have been one of the greatest offensive

1040
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: tackle because he was a good blocker, really good blocker,

1041
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: and and and he showed at one year he showed

1042
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: he can get up to two ninety like in the

1043
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: off season, you know, uh, he could have he could

1044
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: have carried that weight. Well, he's been really good. But

1045
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: demeanor wise, we know Martellis, we know Rico offensive tackles

1046
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: and that's not No, that's not what they want to do.

1047
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: And that's okay, that's okay too, But I mean it's

1048
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: hard to convince them of you know, you know, this

1049
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: could be a star position. It's like they're not dunking

1050
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: over the goal post and making plays like that. But

1051
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: from a mentality standpoint, I don't know, not necessarily agree

1052
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: with that on Martellis because I do think ask him specifically,

1053
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: so this is I asked him specifically one time that

1054
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: and he goes like, I ain't gonna be no offensive

1055
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: tackling at me. I'm offensive tackles Like He's like, no, no,

1056
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not that I'm And he

1057
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: played ten years as a tight end and made made

1058
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl and he's one of Super Bowl, is

1059
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: a contributor, you know, to the I think the Patriots.

1060
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: So he did it right. I'm just saying I think

1061
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: he could have been one of the better offensive tackles

1062
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: if he would have chosen that route this Hall of Famous. Sorry,

1063
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna take the conversation somewhere else, completely off track.

1064
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I took it to the two thousand and eight drafts.

1065
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: It's fine, but you were talking about offensive tackle and

1066
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: then wait, and it made me think of le Collins.

1067
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen him recently, like in pictures, Like

1068
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: how different? Like he's lost a lot of weight, Like, yes,

1069
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: he looks so much slimmer right now. And I get

1070
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: and I see people commenting going back to how he was,

1071
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Like what was it? Was it last year where they

1072
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: were talking about him getting here out of shape, a

1073
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: little overweight or something. But he's on a diet or

1074
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: something because he is slimmed down, for sure. I don't know.

1075
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: But well, I saw the pictures of the fishing, but

1076
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I didn't notice him being slimmer. And maybe

1077
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: it's just kind of angles or whatever, but close, but

1078
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: he he's supposed to some where he's like dressed up

1079
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: or you know, a little shorts and type. Yeah he's

1080
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: wearing little shorts. Well not that little, but you know

1081
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. It fitted close. Now you can tell

1082
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: how much slimmer his right now compared to what you're

1083
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: used to seeing him. I thought that was a little

1084
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: unfair that that that happened last year, as you've been

1085
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: talking about him being overweight, now that he had hip

1086
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: surgery that ended his season. If you have hip surgery,

1087
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: if you need hip surgery, that means you have a

1088
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: hip problem. And if you have a hip problem, you're

1089
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: probably not running sprints. I mean, you're not walking, you're

1090
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: not doing anything. So his body type is one that

1091
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: if he sits around probably too much, he's not gonna

1092
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: be He's not gonna look that great. So, yeah, he's

1093
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: probably out of shape because he needs hip surgery, you know.

1094
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: And and that's what happens, and it happens in the media,

1095
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: and why is he not playing? Then you hear it

1096
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: and report the next thing. You know, you got this

1097
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: image that he's sitting there watching the prices right, eat

1098
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: and twinkies all summer when he's really that's not the case.

1099
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: Snickers whatever, it's a sponsorship joke. Don't worry about it

1100
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's move on. I do think we

1101
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: have a couple of minutes where we can talk about

1102
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: maybe the first round pick of twenty seventeen one tackled

1103
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: Charlton what does he land for? You? Didn't make it

1104
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: through his first contract, did end up in Kansas City,

1105
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: was hurt last year. We still don't know what the

1106
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: rest of his career will be. But he made he

1107
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: got a couple of sacks. I want to say in

1108
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City, he had a couple of sacks here. There

1109
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: was some moments here where I was like, Okay, maybe

1110
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it now, but never really quite got it,

1111
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: not enough for them to even keep him around for

1112
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: the end of his first contract. So where do you

1113
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: think he falls? I think he you know, he's one

1114
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: of those that he put all the meat on and

1115
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: the tour cream and guacamole and everything, and you ready

1116
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: to just drops. Dang it, that's where it went. Because

1117
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: it all looking good, look ready to go, right as

1118
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: you just take that bike, it just kind of like, yeah,

1119
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: falls apart. Doesn't mean don't eat it, I mean you

1120
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: still figure it out how to eat. It's just not

1121
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: what you kind of expected it to be. So anyways,

1122
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: I think he was like your typical first round pick.

1123
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: I've said this all along. If his name was John Charlton,

1124
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have been picked that high.

1125
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it was this Taco Michigan affects

1126
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: the scouting group. I know fans are like, oh Taco,

1127
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: but you think the scouting group cares about his name.

1128
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: So you put a last name on the jersey, and like,

1129
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: what would you worry about the first name. I think

1130
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing. I think the whole mystique

1131
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: of him at all. I mean, he's got the high,

1132
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: he's got the look, he's got. The name is a

1133
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: lot of that. I think it just kind of goes

1134
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: into it. I think the fans at Michigan probably think

1135
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: he was better, and then I think even the coaches

1136
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: all that, and then yeah, you look at the scouting,

1137
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: you see the plays. But I just I just think,

1138
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, he gets down to it. He just he

1139
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: wasn't that good. Yeah, I do think names. I think

1140
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: that affects a lot of it. I really do the scouting.

1141
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm not talking about just the scouting just

1142
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys evaluating him. I'm talking about his whole

1143
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: mystique from the time he's in Michigan and all that. Yeah,

1144
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it does in a in

1145
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: a weird way, I do. I believe that. Okay, that's fair,

1146
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: but I mean he didn't he didn't. He definitely didn't

1147
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: perform like your first round pick should be. And they

1148
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: wanted him out of here. I mean, like, all the way,

1149
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: do you put him in the bus category he's got, Yes,

1150
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: he's got to be. He's got to be a bus.

1151
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: They didn't even want him in on the team for

1152
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years, I mean, to finish out of

1153
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: his contract, just like, let's get rid of this guy.

1154
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: So that that tells me all I need to know

1155
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: that that. Yeah, I mean they didn't even want him

1156
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: around it. They thought they were better off without him.

1157
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, as a first round pick, Amber, Uh can't

1158
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: we use bust on this? Yeah? Okay, but uh po, Yeah,

1159
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: And to be fair, to be fair, he just didn't

1160
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: fit in, not just on the field, just in general

1161
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: with the locker room. He just did not fit in

1162
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: with the group. And I guarantee you that affected just

1163
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: his overall performance if there was even gonna be some

1164
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of growth and development. I mean mentally, that has

1165
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: to affect you when you just don't fit in with

1166
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: your own group that you're supposed to be working with,

1167
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: And I think that has a lot to do with

1168
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: it as well. But yeah, it just it wasn't good. Yeah.

1169
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: I think the damning part is you got a first

1170
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: round pick that you decide midway through his first contract. Yeah,

1171
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: we're better off without him, not that we're gonna keep developing,

1172
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: not that he's gonna just not be active, Like literally,

1173
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: we're better off with him not on our team. That's

1174
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: when you get to that term bust in my opinion,

1175
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: because no one and no one's wildest expectations do they

1176
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: say I'm going to spend the first round pick on

1177
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: someone he won't make us through his first contract. I've

1178
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: seen first round picks that don't play, they don't start,

1179
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: but that I mean when you're off the team, that's

1180
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: a whole different level. And for me, that's it's very

1181
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: clear that this was a bust pick. This may have

1182
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: been one of the worst pick the Cowboys have had

1183
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: from that standpoint of a first round pick, that doesn't

1184
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: even make it through the first contract. And like I

1185
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: said before, sometimes you it's not just about the player

1186
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: that you were here and what you weren't, but it's

1187
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: the players that were on the table and we're drafted

1188
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: right behind you at the same position like a T. J.

1189
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: Watt and you know, performing extremely well. And that's why

1190
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: then it goes back to like current coaches and stuff

1191
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: like that, when when McCarthy says, and and and Mike

1192
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Nolan says, and then of course now Dan quinn when

1193
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: they say, you know, we're gonna run multiple schemes, Um, yeah,

1194
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: that might be harder to get them all on the

1195
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: field and figure it all out, you know, and do that.

1196
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: But if if a t. J. Watt is sitting there

1197
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: with Tako Charlton and you're over here telling the media

1198
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: that we can play multiple schemes, then you better get

1199
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: the damn better football player like t. J. Watt. Don't

1200
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: tell me some crap that he can't fit in your scheme,

1201
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: because now you said your scheme could get anybody in here.

1202
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: So that's where I hope we see a difference, is

1203
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: we don't see those type of situations where he doesn't

1204
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: really fit our scheme because I thought the scheme could

1205
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: fit at anyone And that's one of the reasons why

1206
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm personally a believer in never drafting for a scheme

1207
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: because there's too much turnover in the NFL when it

1208
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: comes to coaches, players, the whole nine. So you don't

1209
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: know if you're going to be in the same scheme two, three,

1210
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: four years down the road. And so for me, I'm like,

1211
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: give me the better football player and then coach figure

1212
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: out how to use them. If you got to change

1213
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: up some things in order to get the best out

1214
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: of that player. That's what coaching is, figure out how

1215
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: to put your people in the best position to be successful.

1216
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys, Johns. We'll be back

1217
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: next week. Well, we'll finish up this list. Will so

1218
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: far we can get on twenty seventeen, maybe we get

1219
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and then maybe we'll have to finish the

1220
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: rest of it the week of the draft. We'll figure

1221
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: all that out. What day. Back next week so i'lsow

1222
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: us down even more. We'll see how that goes. We

1223
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us still there. For Nick eaven and

1224
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,600
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