1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. He was a champion at UCLA and of 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: course five time All Star. He's also a great actor, 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: which we'll get into that coming up in a moment. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: He's Marcus Johnson, the Bucks TV analyst for Fox Sports Milwaukee. Marcus, 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. What did you think last night 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: when you saw the Greek freak go up to contest 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Clint Cappella. Well, good morning, Dan. First of all, you know, 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: it reminded me of an injury that I had when 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: I played with the Bucks. I got kicked trying to 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: contest a jump shot by a player by the name 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: of Paul Thompson of the Cleveland Cavaliers in the early eighties, 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: and my knee hyper extended back like that got locked. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: It was most painful injury that I've ever had as 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: a basketball player. But I went to the locker room 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Jeff Snedecker, our great trainer in Milwaukee at the time. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: I've worked on it at a bit and I actually 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: returned in the second half and Don Nelson told me 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: thought I was going to be out for the year 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: based on the reaction that I had. And so to 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: see Jana's kind of loosening it up a little bit. 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Walk on his own was promising, but you know, everybody 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: started texting me right away, and it's kind of like, 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: why does this always kind of happen to us? Why 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: can't we never have good things in Milwaukee happened to us? 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: But you know, we got to wait to see what happens. 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that, you know, if we can extend this 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: thing to a seventh game, maybe he can get back. 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: If not, you know, we'll see. We'll see what the 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: MRI sys today. I don't want to get a hitd 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: of myself, but I'm not rooting him out right now 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: until I hear definitively that he's got some kind of 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: a tear of something that's going to prevent him from playing. 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: And it might come down to the supporting cast for 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: the Box against the supporting cast for the Atlanta Hawks. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, who has the advantage. Man, 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: that's a tough one because of this Dan, And let 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: me preface this by saying that I'm just really impressed 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: with the job that these African American coaches are doing. 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: In the playoffs between Tyn Lou and Monty Williams. And 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: and then my guy Nick McMillan. I was with him 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Uh you may recall with George carl and 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: the Sonics and in the mid mid nineties. I used 44 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: to always compare him to Sydney Portier and called it 45 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: mister Tibbs because he's got that quiet, kind of elegant dignity. 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: But but they called me mister but yeah, yeah, yeah, 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: but but but Nate, you know, this whole thing but 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: connected like a fist and you know, the calming influence 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: I think is a big key for them. But but 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: more tangibly, Bogdanovich, the knee. Speaking of knees, the knee 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: is looking better. He looked really good, really mobile. Especially 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: his activity on defense hurder A Cavan or whatever they 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: called him, has been a real, real revelation. I've always 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: liked it, but now he's kind of taking his taking 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: that step to the next level. Uh. And you go 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: along with the other guys who are playing exceptional basketball 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: for them. And then Cam Reddish. It's funny Cam Reddish. 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: I was talking to my son Chris, and he's like, 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: Cam Reddish is the guy, like like he's the guy 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: that all the young players kind of look up to. 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Edward says that Cam Reddish is that dude. You know, 62 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I know cam Reddish had that 63 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: kind of reputation kind of coming up in the AU ranks. 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: He looked good last night. So we've got enough Chris Middleton. 65 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: And here's the other point. Now, I don't want to 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: get too long winded, but you got a lot of 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: guys Kendrick Perkins, Stephen Jackson talking about Chris Middleton is 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: the batman and Yannis is the Robin. Now Chris is 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: our closer because he can shoot and shoot with the 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: best of them down the stretch. Now we'll get a 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: chance to see just how truthful of an observation like 72 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: that is. And that's not to put the pressure on Chris, 73 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: because he did a great job when Chris when Jannis 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: went down against Miami last year. He's done a great 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: job this year when he's had to carry the load. 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: We saw what he could do the game before last 77 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: with the twenty point fourth quarter. But but Chris is 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: the kind of that can, under certain circumstances, carry you. 79 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: But Joannis takes so much pressure off of him because 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: of the gravity he creates and so it's a symbiotic 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: type of relationship between the two. So we'll see, we'll 82 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: see how it pans out. We got enough to do it. 83 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: The question is mentally, will we be able to to 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: kind of quail this hot juggernaut, this momentum they built 85 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: this last ball game. So we'll see, you know, it'll 86 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: be it'll be fascinated and see how it plays out 87 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: either way. You start to look at players in today's generation, 88 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: and I know you and I would go. I remember 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: back in the seventies or eighties and guys would play 90 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: and they would have, you know, injuries, like there's load 91 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: management here, But these guys are in the best shape. 92 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: They got nutrition, they got trainers, they got private travel. 93 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out is it just a 94 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: coincidence that we have these injuries here? If I have 95 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: load management, then should we be having as many injuries 96 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: as we have? And there's some you can't prevent. But 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: I didn't think that Anthony Davis was in shape. I 98 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't think that James Harden was in shape this year 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: and you got load management. So what is the difference 100 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: in generations? You know, with these guys and how they 101 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: prepare and how you did you know, back in the 102 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: seventies or eighties. Well, it's interesting because we worked harder. 103 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Like myself for example, Guys used to hate to work 104 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: out with me because I worked really hard, especially I 105 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: mean the elite frogs with twenty five pound weights behind 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: my back. So now I'm paying the price. So now 107 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I've got I've got all kinds of issues and hip 108 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: issues and everything. You know. I was talking to Jannis 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: probably two years ago, and I asked him about his 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: offseason workouts. I mean, how much you ran and did 111 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: you run beaches and hills? And He's like, no, no, 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: I just do a lot of defensive slides and I 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: play a lot of basketball. And so he lifts a 114 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of weights and does a lot of cardio stuff 115 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: in terms of the machines and equipment, and that's that 116 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: type of stuff too, but it's a different approach. But 117 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: also Dan, I mean, this was the quickest turnaround, you know, 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff quick, quickest turnaround in professional sports history 119 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: from when the bubble season ended to when this season started. 120 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: The condensed scheduling of the Stevy two games was as 121 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: condensed as it's ever been. You're playing every other day. 122 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these guys just their bodies aren't 123 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: used to that kind of taxation on their skeleton system, 124 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: if you will, And so I think a lot of 125 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: that had to do with that, and so it's but 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: my point is that it's a given take. So, yeah, 127 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: I worked out hard to a lot of unconventional crazy 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: stuff leaper machines and all this other crazy stuff he 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: had back in the day. But I'm paying the price 130 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: for it now. These guys will probably not have as 131 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: many post career issues. But this game of basketball and 132 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: you out there forty minutes of game playoff intensity doing 133 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: the things that you're doing. I've always believed, case in point, 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: with Y Honest and Chris Middleton, a coach Budd first 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: got to Milwaukee, they were playing just over thirty minutes 136 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, my point was that when the playoffs 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: get here, man, you know you're gonna be playing forty 138 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: minutes a game. And so our people were like, we've 139 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: got other ways to compensate for that without putting a 140 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of pressure in the schuttle To system. And my 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: thing has always been, man, you got to get out 142 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: there and play. You can't you can't manufacture anything that 143 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: replicates plan on that hardwood jumping, landing, coming up and down. 144 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: It's not the jumping that gets you somebody to it's 145 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: like the landing, the constant landing and the pounding. And 146 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: so it's just a different approach nowadays. And I think 147 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing some of the fallout from the quick turnaround 148 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: that was necessitated obviously by the by the league needing 149 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: to play a certain number of games to get paid. 150 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: So everybody wants to get paid, so it was necessary. 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: He's Marcus Johnson, the Bucks TV analysts for Fox Sports Milwaukee, 152 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: five time NBA All Star. Yeah, you start to wander, 153 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, look at Lebron. He's got three extra seasons 154 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: of playoff basketball in that body which to do what 155 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: he does and still be able to do that. I mean, 156 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: that's that's freak. That's that's crazy. I mean, it's not 157 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: like Kareem or Will to some of these other players, 158 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: like Lebron is bringing the ball up the floor like 159 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: he's you know, it's a little bit different what we 160 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: ask of Lebron than we do probably any other player 161 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: in NBA history to be able to do it this long, 162 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: this well, and he continues to do it. What do 163 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: you think of Lebron? I love Lebron. I'm my family 164 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: between myself, my son's Chris, Josiah, who's the king of 165 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: NBA Twitter right now. But now we're we're big Lebron fans. 166 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: And it's mainly because of a few things. I mean, 167 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: just in terms of no scandal, no, you know, I mean, 168 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: he's some some comments on some issues or whatever that 169 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: you could call it a question, But in terms of 170 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: how he has conducted himself, how he's given back to 171 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: this community, the school that he built, nack all that, 172 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's great stuff. But more tangibly, what is 173 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the fifteen sixteen years in and he's still playing at 174 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: an MVP level still? And so I talked to Coach Wooden, 175 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: interviewed coach with myself, Chris and Josiah for a piece 176 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I was doing about Coach Wooden, and we asked him 177 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: about Lebron and Kobe and it's gonna get a lot 178 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: of people upset, a lot of Kobe fans in Los 179 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: Angeles in particular, But he felt like Lebron was more 180 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: of his kind of a player because he was a 181 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: past first team guy and it was not looking to 182 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: bring a lot of attention to himself that that's not 183 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: absolutely true. But but I've always been a big Lebron fan. 184 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that he's fifteen, sixteen years in, thirty 185 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: six years old, whatever it is, the way he takes 186 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: care of himself, just just the croissanna that he exudes, 187 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: whether you like him or not, in terms of some 188 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: of the stances that he takes, he's taken stances. He's 189 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: taken stances, and he's out there producing and even more 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: tangibly as a basketball player, he controls the game as 191 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: well as anybody I've seen since Magic Johnson with the 192 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: ball in his hands. And so to me, that's that's saying, 193 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: that's saying something. Magic's one of my all time favorite 194 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: guys I played against and guys that I like to 195 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: watch play. I mentioned that you got quite a resume 196 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: of acting credits. Here. You have a scene in one 197 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: of my It's It's I don't like the movie per 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: se because I didn't think they were believable as basketball players, 199 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: but I loved your scene in White men can't jump 200 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: like I think I could take Wesley Snipe right now 201 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: in hoops one on one? Uh, what he looks like 202 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: he had a little bit of game there, Marcus. But 203 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: tell me how you got the role when white men 204 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: can't jump. Well, we did. We did a film for 205 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: a student film project for the American Film Institute up 206 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: in the hills of Pasadena late at night. Myself and 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: Nigel mcguild and Silks are at all these actors. It 208 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: was based on the life of Raymond Lewis is great 209 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: la legend, myth, just myth in terms of a basketball player, 210 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: and so um soil Cole's art was good for with 211 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Ron Shelton who wrote them, who wrote the movie, and 212 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: they were casting for the part, and so Silk got 213 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: me the audition. Now they sent me the sides the 214 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: dialogue I had to use to read with Wesley Snipes, 215 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: and I saw that there was a scene where my 216 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: character pulled out a knife on Wesley Snipes. And so 217 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: I'd seen a scene from a movie where this uh 218 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: protagonist uses a razor blade, straight razor and so my 219 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: dad was a barber, I wouldn't got one of his 220 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: razors and practice kind of opened it up and with 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: one hand. And so when it got to that part 222 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: of the scene with Wesley, I did the whole thing 223 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: and chased him around the audition room, and so Ron 224 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: Shelton was like, yea, man, that's great, great, and that's great, 225 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: you got the part. But but but that lead that 226 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: frigging blade at home. Next time we got problem that stuff. 227 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: You're gonna kill somebody with that thing. And so so 228 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: I got the part like that. But but the other thing, Dan, 229 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: that's interesting is that that that character is based on 230 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: a real life guy by the name of Reggie Harding. 231 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: I wrote a screenplay, just finished it a couple of 232 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: months ago. But just the research was fascinating. He was 233 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: one of the first high school of pro guys how 234 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: to Detroit, early sixties. But but I talked to Dave 235 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: Being and Ray Scott, the coach of the here with 236 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: the Pistons, was a teammate of his. But but Reggie 237 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: was challenging Will Chamberlain, You're not the big man. I'm 238 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: the big man. I'm anna kick kill behind. This is 239 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: doing the course of a game and so uh so. 240 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: But but it's just fascinating that that that led me 241 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: to doing some research on who this character really was. 242 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: He was He was a heroin addicted. He got shot 243 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: and killed on the streets of Detroit at thirty years old, 244 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: just crossed path with Satchel Page, Goose Tatum, so many, 245 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: so many characters and so many great historical figures in sports. 246 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: So uh, and he comes into a convenience story. He's 247 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: seven feet tall exactly. Yeah, and you know, they go Reggie, 248 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: and then he makes him seem like, no, that's not me. 249 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: And that's that's what you're seeing, is that And that's 250 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: the first thing, one of the first first stories you 251 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: would hear as an NBA player, it was that story. 252 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: But Reggie Harding and true life had robbed that same 253 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: store like five or six times. You know, he was 254 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: robbing drug houses over and over again to get money, 255 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, and he go in with this mask on 256 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: at seven feet tall, like come on, Reggie, He's like, 257 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: this ain't me. This ain't me. So that's that's the 258 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: name of the street player. This ain't me. But but yeah, 259 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: the tragic, tragic ending. But I had a lot of 260 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: fun doing the movie, and uh, work with a lot 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: of great people. And you're right, Woody, So Woody and 262 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: I quick story. First time we played together pick up 263 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: basketball and just wanted us all to play at the 264 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Hollywood rec Center, and so what do 265 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: he called this bogus foul? Dan? So I'm like, come on, Woody, 266 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: that was a Bullcraft foul. So what He's like, what 267 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: do you mean? What do you mean? Why would you 268 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: impute my integrity? Why would you impute my montegrity? I 269 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: was like, what he first of all, First of all, 270 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: I went to Cridshaw. I have no idea what it mean. 271 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Number two. It was still a Bullcraft foul laugh and 272 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: we kind of bonded after that, but we had a 273 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: ball man. We had a ball through that talked to 274 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: Rosie Perez recently and she said she went out to 275 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: lunch with Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson and she said 276 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: they got stoned. And she said, then they came back 277 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and you know, Ron Shelton wanted to make you know 278 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: you guys were getting ready to shoot. She said they 279 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: were stoned, and I don't know how they were able 280 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: to act, but they were stoned. And he said, were 281 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: you which goes No, I couldn't. I couldn't. I would 282 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: have been so paranoid. But she said, those guys were 283 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: stoned through most of the movie. Well Wood, he had 284 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: had the rap party, the big cast rap party at 285 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: his his crib out in Malibu where he had the 286 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: big tepee in the backyard, a real regulation size, official 287 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: Indian tep, of course American t excuse me, my wife, 288 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: the Native American. I gotta be careful about that. But 289 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: but but he had the Native American tepee and in 290 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: the tepee, Man, you go in there, you're not coming 291 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: out the same person, coming out a whole different dude. 292 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Would you have me leave out of that tp? So, yeah, 293 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: but we had a great time. What he had, some 294 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: good stuff, the best he had. Great to talk to 295 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: you as I always hope you're well and the family, 296 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: and thanks for thanks for your getting up early with us. 297 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure man. Thank you. That's Marcus Johnson. White 298 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Men Can't Jump. He was in Blue Chips, but he 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: was in a lot of TV shows, La Law, Boston Legal, 300 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Hanging with mister Cooper. He was also a wonderful player 301 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: at UCLA Smooth Smooth player number fifty four. Thanks for 302 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 303 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 304 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 305 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: your local station for the Dan Patrick Show at Fox 306 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot Com or stream us live every day 307 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, or 308 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock Act. Roger Bennett broadcaster, podcaster, filmmaker, 309 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: men in Blazer, co host Proud American and his memoir 310 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Reborn in the USA and Englishman's Love Letter to His 311 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: Chosen Home, now available online and wherever books are sold. Although, Roger, 312 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: how English were you yesterday during the Euros? I'n Patrick. 313 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: I won't make it clear. I ride with Team America. Now. 314 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: It took me writing a book about how much I 315 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: love America for England to actually throw off the shackles 316 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: of self loathing, self sabotage, and just fifty five years 317 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: of crapping their pants in massive games against Germany. I 318 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: feel a bit like Junah and the Whale. However, I 319 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: am genuinely happy for that nation. They have suffered in 320 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: lockdown and to watch large men take off their shirts, 321 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: just let it all hang out and suit themselves in beer. 322 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: My god, they deserve it. But if I had a 323 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: camera on you yesterday watching England beat Germany, what would 324 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: I have seen? A large man with his shirt off? 325 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean I do when I won't be clear. When 326 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: the United States play England as they do in the 327 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Women's World Cup, where our women destroy the English and 328 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: Alex Morgan knocks her head back and mind's drinking tea, 329 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: I am like, yes, in the face, take that, Piers Morgan, 330 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: you bastard. So that is where my allegiances are. But 331 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, my family are all there. I know the 332 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: joy that that's bringing them. I do know. When you 333 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: had an empire and you no longer have an empire 334 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: that needs an incredible vacuum. In that vacuum there's been dreams, 335 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: shattered dreams, hopelessness, self loathing. It's a little bit like 336 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: the Red Sox two thousand and four, dreaming over and 337 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: over again, Sisyphus pushing the bulled up the hill, only 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: have the Yankees knocking back down. What we saw ye 339 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: yesterday was the English breaking through light the Red Sox. 340 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: But probably unlike the Red Sox, the English will now 341 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: crap the bed against Ukraine in the next rather and 342 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: find a completely different way to torture the nation. But 343 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: it is it's a lovely moment. And if you are 344 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: pro happiness, which I like to think, I am if 345 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: you're pro joy and if you are of a belief. 346 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people think sports about winning and their 347 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: team if they win, a better people, and if their 348 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: team lose and the losers are worse people. I don't 349 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: believe that. I do believe sports is human theater, and 350 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: I believe that it allows us to make incredible memories 351 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: that sustain us in time of light and in time 352 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: of darkness. And so I'm so happy for all of 353 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: these English fans that they will they will, they will 354 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: remember this day, this yesterday's joys. The Germans such a 355 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: demon in their minds. They slayed the dragon, they caught 356 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: the white whale, and I'm genuinely to be Candid Denham 357 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: so happy for them. When we are acquired you, what 358 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: did we give up? And like, was this just we 359 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: just acquired you your rights from from Liverpool. I was 360 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: a player to be named later in the in the 361 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Revolutionary Truth. I was just some scrub who could give 362 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: a couple of innings, um in in in pretty uh 363 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: light relief. Um what did you gain by by adding me? 364 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think that and this is where I 365 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: wrote the book. And we tried to give you, Madonna, 366 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: We tried to give you Courtney Love, Gwyneth Paltrow, We've 367 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: tried to give you some people. You've got to keep 368 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: your voice down. Because Madonna listens to the show. She 369 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: actually does think she's English at this point in her life. 370 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: In her biography, it's funny her accent changed immediately. My accent. 371 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: I love America. I know it don't sound very America, 372 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: but I love America like you know Kenny Powers loves America. 373 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: And the accidents the one thing that's not I kin't 374 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: even did I know on this show you like make 375 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: Christian politics speak English and make Rebecca love speaking. Can't 376 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: do any of that, like because I can say like 377 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: hooray for Hollywood, and I can't say anything. Okay, how 378 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: is it that Madonna goes to England and then she 379 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: acquires an accent in two hours? Well I can tell 380 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: you how that works because English managers, English football managers 381 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: famously Steve McLaren, who is a character like a meme, 382 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: a human meme on the manager. An English guy went 383 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: to manage in Holland, the Netherlands for a club team 384 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: and like, within two press conferences was like, um, yes, 385 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: it's a good game played today. There's another guy, Joey 386 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: Bartney's from near me, Liverpool. He went to play in 387 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: France and he's like again second press conference, He's like, yeah, 388 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: I think he was. You know, the ween is importance 389 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: and what I've learned it it's hilarious. It is hils 390 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: to watch and it's oh my god. I mean Western 391 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: McKinney is an amazing young guy. Plays for Juventus, a 392 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: powerhouse in Italy out of Dallas, Texas. And like his 393 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: third game, I think he'd like miss stay a chance 394 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: and he runs off the goal. He's like to the cameras. 395 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: I think that the speech thing because I have Actually 396 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: I've wondered why do I not have an American accent. 397 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: I think it's because if you have a musical ear, 398 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: then and I assume Madonna probably arguably may or may 399 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: not have a musical here, but I'm assuming she does, 400 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: you immediately change and adapt to the voice around you. 401 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: I have no musically. I've been trying to learn the 402 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: banjo for about for about the last one hundred and 403 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: ten years, going nowhere with that, and it's because I 404 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: don't have a musical ear, and that's why I still 405 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: sound like this. But you asked me like to become American. 406 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: That's why I wrote the book, is to have stood 407 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: in in a courtroom in Manhattan with one hundred and 408 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: sixty one fellow New Americans being sworn in with the 409 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: oath of allegiance, and you know, America in times of wonder, 410 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: American times of challenge. I will say, I look left 411 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and right. To be in that courtroom and to look 412 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: at my fellow New Americans, you know I'd escape. You 413 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: know a couple of football matches where the violence went 414 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: dodgas and chip shop beatings late at night when the 415 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: pub shut in England. These people had escaped civil war, unrest, famine. 416 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean just the stories were incredibly humanly touching, and 417 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: the one thing that joined all of us in that 418 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: room was the power of the idea of America. So 419 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: I think when you have human beings like me, you 420 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: are adding individuals who've dreamed about America, who've drawn strength 421 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: from America in dark times. The idea of America courage, tenacity, possibility, 422 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: And ultimately that's what you add by adding me another 423 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: ball man who thinks he can broadcast that loves America 424 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: in the face. The memoirs Reborn in the USA and 425 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Englishman's Love Letter to has Chosen Home. We're talking to 426 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: Roger Bennett, the broadcaster, podcaster, filmmaker men In Blazer's co host. 427 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: Your first introduction to American sports was what or Who 428 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Chicago Best? Nineteen eighty three, Starting to throw off the shackles. 429 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: The NFL was broadcast for the first time in the 430 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: niche channel in England for an hour every week fourteen 431 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: games in those every weekend in those days, and they 432 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: crushed all fourteen games down to a highlight reel of 433 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: one hour. I've said a couple of times it was 434 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: all put to Bonnie Tyler's holding out for a hero. 435 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: It was like Tony Dorsets sweeping left and dumb that 436 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm dumbed. I'm dumb, dumb, very dramatic. Remember, English football 437 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: in those days was played by angry men who wanted 438 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: to kick anything on the muddy pitchers, be at the 439 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: ball or their opponent, and then go off to the 440 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: pub and have a cigarette, a pie and a pint. 441 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: So like to see Billy White Shoes. Johnson return a 442 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: kickoff for eighty three yards, but he only did it 443 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: so that when he got there he could just unleash 444 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: the funky chicken. Like thirteen year old me was like, 445 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: holy crap, joy, wisdom, wonder you know. To see New 446 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints fans under Bum Phillips, first of all, I 447 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: was like, my God, there's a man called Bump. And 448 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: then they were hoopless. They were like, oh and fourteen 449 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: and again. In England, if your team was losing that much, 450 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: you would go to the games just to fight your 451 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: opponents fans and taste your own blood in your mouth. 452 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: But the New Orleans Saints fans, they were like, we 453 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: love this with the New Orleans eighths, and they pulled 454 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: on paper bags over their heads and just had a 455 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: great time. And I was like, my Lord, trying to 456 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: find joy even in defeat. That is that is a 457 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: That's a wonderful way to live a life. But the 458 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, I always my family left Europe in the 459 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundred sinking they were headed to Chicago, so 460 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: my family always in dark times, and there were many 461 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: of them in Liverpool in the nineteen eighties, like we 462 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: should have lived there, we should have lived there. So 463 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: to watch this Bears team, Walter Payton, Jim McMahon, William refrigerator, Perry, 464 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: throw off the shackles of defeat, self loathing and just 465 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: a pathetic franchise and say no, we swagger, we super 466 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: Bowl shuffle, we dominate, and we trash talk on our 467 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: way to victory. Thirteen year old me was like, you 468 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: don't have to be who you are. You want not 469 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: trapped by history. You can redefine yourself. And it was 470 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: thrilling on a sporting level, and it taught me life 471 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: lessons on a personal level. Then, But do you have 472 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: friends growing up who look at you and say, like, 473 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like you're a trader? You'd left 474 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: us behind? Like did you get like feedback? Blowback by 475 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: becoming an American citizen? I shared this dream with another 476 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: friend of mine in Liverpool. We would because the games 477 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: were on the NFL Games and we knew they were 478 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: being played a week on television. They were a week 479 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: old and there was no internet, so me and my 480 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: friend Jamie we would from his house, not mine, because 481 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: my dad would have killed me. We used to phone 482 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: up random three one two Chicago numbers during the Bears 483 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: games and people with a hell out and we'd be like, hey, 484 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: how are the Bears doing? And they'd be like, Oh, 485 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: Matt Suey's just run for four yards, and we'd be like, yeah, now, 486 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: what's happening And they're like, Jimmans dropped back, Oh, it's 487 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: just overthrown that one to Willie Gold and we'd be 488 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: like and we'd get them to give us personal commentary 489 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: and run up just enormous three meals. So I shared 490 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: this dream with my best friend, and it's what the 491 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: books about about loving, you know, everything, heart to heart. 492 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: Fantasy Island, John Hughes movies, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys, 493 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: and Miami Vice came on our screens Dan and watching 494 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Don Johnson, you know, just in his pastels, in his 495 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: T shirt and his rolled up sleeves and is never 496 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: any socks and his hair that became blunder with every 497 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: consecutive season of the show, gunning down narco threats in 498 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: a spad reels. I realized that to be willing in life, 499 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: to succeed, you have to have a singular style, be 500 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: stick with it, and then see not care about what 501 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: anybody else says about you. And so that's what I 502 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: took from Miami Vice. That was my attitude. I didn't 503 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I learned not to care. I also started to wear 504 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: spadriels with no socks, which were completely impractical politpo but 505 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: I've learned not to care about what other people think. 506 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: Though It's like you were an American trapped in an 507 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Englishman spotting. That is the opening paragraph of my book. 508 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: I persuaded myself because my family wanted a move there 509 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: and ended up by mistake in Liverpool. Because my great 510 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: grandfather he's down here there. He is, God love him. 511 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: Harris Pollock. That's him in the Russian Army where he 512 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: had to serve for twenty five years, and then he 513 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: fled Ukraine and he was headed to Chicago. Who was 514 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: a butcher. He wanted to become a butcher in the 515 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: hog capital of the world. And the myth of the 516 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: Liverpool Jewish community is that it's full of the idiots. 517 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: So when the boat doctor refuel in Liverpool saw the 518 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: one tall building on the Liverpool Skyline, I'm like, we're 519 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: in New York. Let's go. And so we got off 520 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: and we were in Liverpool and Loverpool is the greatest 521 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: city in the world. I won't be clear, but in 522 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: the eighties, as the North economically, politically, culturally, Justison you've 523 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: seen Billy Elliott, You've seen the mining devastation, the cotton, 524 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the steel, just the post industrial Britain. There was a wasteland. 525 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: And so I did. I survived this very dark, black 526 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: and white life by inhaling American sports, American culture. And yes, 527 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: then I tell myself at night, I had the Statue 528 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: of Liberty painted on my bedroom wall. I would arrange 529 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: my curtains so that the light fell on her face, 530 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: and I'd persuade myself that I was an American trapped 531 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: in an Englishman's body, even though I'd never set foot 532 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: in America. That's that's the story you tell yourself to 533 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: be able to get through. Will the US men win 534 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: a World Cup in our lifetime? Yes, yes, if they, 535 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: If science allows us to live forever, then the answer 536 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you Ted Williams 537 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: will definitely be alive. I'm walking the earth by the time. 538 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: If the American man can become half as good as 539 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: our women, they can be bloody, bloody good. And the 540 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: reality is I moved to America right before last World Cup. 541 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: And on men and blazers were always jokes. Soccer America's sport, 542 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: and the future as it has been since nineteen seventy two. 543 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: It's always meant to be the next big thing. That 544 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: it was never an overnight success. It's been slow and steady. 545 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: That there's a huge audience consuming consuming the Euros right 546 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: now and our men have gone to it. There's a 547 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: young wave of incredible talent Christian politic. I mentioned Western McKinney. 548 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned Tyler Adams, that there's a slew 549 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: of the Geo. Rayner strew these young stars and for 550 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: the first time in your lifetime, young stars are willing 551 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: to go abroad to play against the best, for the 552 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: best are not sticking around in America anymore. There's a 553 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: young wave of talent who will make us very proud 554 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: sooner than we think if there's somebody else in England 555 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: we should acquire. Well, we tried that with Piers Morgan. Yeah, 556 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: we didn't want him. No, we returned him. We didn't 557 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: want him, we got him. It didn't work very well. 558 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: I think we we've got, we've got, we've got. I 559 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: like us, I like our cast of characters, and it 560 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: is it is amazing. In the past, you know, America 561 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: did well by having air bases in strategic footballing countries 562 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: Germany and we had a lot of dual nationals. But 563 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: the it's Beckham ours not really, I don't say. I 564 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: think he's got the English flag tattooed about eighty seven 565 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: times on his person. That's just the ones we know about. 566 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: The ones he q secret we have known. What about 567 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: Ed Shearing is? Is Ed Shearing ours? Now? Why would 568 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: you want Ed Shearing when you've got Kevin hurt who 569 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: is Ed Shearon is just the poor man's red velvet? 570 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: D Do you think Kevin Hurder is just a taller 571 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: Ed Shearon with talent, Yeah, and a better jumper. I 572 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: actually I actually watched in the Royal Box yesterday watching 573 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: England and they showed the Beckham shot with Shearon and 574 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: my first impulse was, oh my god, Kevin hurts so Backham, 575 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: God love him, ginge of power. You go for it, keV. 576 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to sit next to Beckham. As good looking 577 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: as he is, he gets better and better and better looking. 578 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: That is the remarkable thing he is. He is. And 579 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: it's like Ronaldo who Christiano. Ronaldo's like thirty five thirty 580 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: six and everyone's like, oh this could be his last 581 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: big toy. Think Ronaldo has had a little help like 582 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: Ted Williams. Help, a little work, a little work done. Um, 583 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: I think I've got to be candid. Ronaldo seems to 584 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: be learning lessons about life. His eyebrows he used to 585 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: overpluck in a devastating fashion, and he everyone thinks he's 586 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: just about himself. That guy's clearly listen to feedback because 587 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: he's filling them out. I think he is gorgeous. I 588 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: am team messy just to be totally candid, but you 589 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: have to admire this human being that is driven by 590 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: a constant drive for self improvement and human wonder. I 591 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: once stayed in his hotel room at the Euros after 592 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: which will have been defeated, and then I moved into 593 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: the hotel. When Portugal left. I was in Donetsch in Ukraine, 594 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: which I would really recommend for Americans or looking to 595 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: travel to af the off the road tourist spectacle, and 596 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: I moved into his hotel room they'd vacated maybe twelve 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: hours earlier, and all I will tell you for the 598 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: next eleven days, the dreck on the war cloud that 599 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: still hung to me vicariously by moving in there was 600 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: just immense and I lived a tiny bit of his life. 601 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: He is a gentleman that takes care of himself in 602 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: wonderful ways and we should all be so blessed too. 603 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, God, look at me. I'm in the position 604 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: it's not coming in Christiano Ronaldo, Don Patrick. Great to 605 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: talk to you as always, Rogers, Thank you for joining us, 606 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us on. Thank you America, and 607 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: have a great fourth of July. Oh mate, this is 608 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: the book for it. I'd never take a single day 609 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: in America for granted. Dan. Thank you that you been 610 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: reborn in the USA. An Englishman's love letter to his 611 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: chosen home. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 612 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 613 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 614 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at 615 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, 616 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler Levarrington 617 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new 618 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: podcast called Up on Game? What is up on Game? 619 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: You asked? Along with my fellow pro bowler t J. 620 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Hudshmansatta and Super Bowl champion Yep, that's right, Plexico Birds. 621 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: You can only name a show with that type of 622 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be 623 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen 624 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: to Up on Game with me LeVar Arrington, t J. 625 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Huschmansatta and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 626 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts from. Dominique Wilkins he 627 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: is the Hall of Famer Hawks Vice President of Basketball Operation, 628 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: special Advisor to the Atlanta Hawks, and a Hawks analyst. 629 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: He was courtside there had his Trey Young jersey on 630 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: last night. Nick, How are you doing today? I'm doing good. 631 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing okay. So you had 632 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: a courtside seat with Janni's going down. What did you 633 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: think when when you saw that, well, even before he 634 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: went down, to Hawks was playing great basketball, and I 635 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: thought that the group was doing a four hand Milwaukee 636 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: all out of sink where they couldn't really you know, 637 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: shake the Hawks, and we displayed very well well. And 638 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: I agree that even if the Greek freak did not 639 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: get injured, I thought the Hawks felt like like it 640 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: meant more. There was a sense of urgency for them. 641 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: It almost felt like the Bucks showed up and realized 642 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: Trey Young wasn't playing, and it didn't really click that, 643 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: you know what, you gotta win these games. Did you 644 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: did you get a sense that the Hawks understood, Hey, 645 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: we have to be you know, we pick up our 646 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: intensity even more because we don't have Trey Young. Well yeah, 647 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: you know, and they knew that this was really the 648 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: privolal game for them now because you know, you lose 649 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: this game going back to Milwaukee, you're down three one, 650 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: and so you know, I thought that the Hawks came 651 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: together at the unit they had. Man, this team has 652 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: a lot of grit, you know, and I think that's 653 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: the difference. Man. They there's no quits. They always had 654 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: the fight in them and so um, they just came 655 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: together at the unit and that's how they won this game. 656 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a well balanced game for the Hawks. 657 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: You expect Trey Young back for Game five? Well, yeah, 658 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: I think right now you're kind of playing with house 659 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: money a little bit too, even though you know, the 660 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: Milwaukee had the home quarterback and the Hawks are playing 661 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: with a lot of emotion. They're playing with a lot 662 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: of confidence right now, and so they've shown that that 663 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, Trey has help from his teammates that can 664 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: get the job done. Now do they want trade back? 665 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: Of course they can't do. Um, But again that's showing 666 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: the ability to win when your your superstar goes down. 667 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: But do you expect him to play? I always expect 668 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: to trade to play, I really do. I mean, the 669 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: guy loves to play the game of basketball, and so 670 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, I look for him to be back. How 671 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: would he have done playing when you played? Well, you know, 672 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's two different areas. You know, he'd 673 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: have been he'd have been a great players, There's no question. 674 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I love to play with him 675 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: and I probably got the easiest thirty five forty points 676 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: out of my career if I played with him. The 677 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: way he passes the ball. Um, you know, he's just 678 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: one of those players that come around every once in 679 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: a while that has that it factor. I mean, man, 680 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: he's got it. Did you ever hit your head on 681 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: the rim during a game? Many times? Many times? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, 682 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah. You know I played the game with reckless abandon. 683 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: I played it, you know, above the rim, and especially 684 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: early in my career. Um, you know, there's a lot 685 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: of guys back in there who played that way, you know. 686 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I'm gonna guess, uh, doctor Jay probably 687 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: hit his head on the rim a few times. Oh yeah, 688 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: I've seen him, you know. I I saw him doing 689 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: in the slammed up contest where he hits it on 690 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: the backboard coming down. So yeah, but do you believe 691 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: that somebody could actually if I put a quarter on 692 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: the top of a backboard, Nick, do you think that 693 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: there's somebody who's played who could have jumped to the 694 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: top of the backboard and brought a quarter down? Well, 695 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, you know, have you heard 696 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: that over the time, But yeah, there's been a few 697 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: guys who're gonna go to the top of the backboard. Now, 698 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time to go up there 699 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: at something and put something else up there, but they're 700 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: there there. There have been guys who went to the top, 701 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: you know, of course, well like David Thompson to me, 702 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: was one of the great leapers that I ever saw. 703 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: But you had, you know, these playground legends who uh 704 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, people always bring up could you get to 705 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: the top of the back form? I mean, yeah, I 706 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: mean you know. I you know, I've been to the 707 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: above the square, you know many times, and you know 708 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: you used to play around with it when you're young 709 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: and see who could jump the highest. And I've always 710 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: had great leaping ability, you know, and wanted to, you know, 711 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: the the longest jumping or I should say in vertical 712 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: leads in the history the game tour. I know I've 713 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: been up there with you know, some of the best 714 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: of them. But you know, you talk about David Thompson, 715 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: you talk about Earl many good you talk about it. 716 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: There's so many guys that. Man, David Thompson was incredible. 717 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean I saw him put the ball, uh this 718 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: cuffet in his arm and punch it through the basket 719 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: and practice. You know, when I was in high school, 720 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: I went to watch one of the practice because you 721 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: couldn't dunk and the games back then in college and man, 722 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: he was something else. Talking to Dominic Wilkins, the Hall 723 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: of Famer Hawks vice president of basketball operations, the load 724 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: management now though nique and minutes played in the injuries, 725 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: is there is there a reasoning behind all of this. 726 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: I thought with load management limiting the minutes, that that 727 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: would reduce the injuries. Well, back when we were playing, 728 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you didn't play, especially you 729 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: know in big games, you know, you kind of lose something. 730 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, you don't have that same rhythm. You know, 731 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: you don't have that same chemistry because you know, and 732 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: then you're trying to get yourself back in quarts that 733 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to get that rhythm back and when you 734 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: set out games. You know, for me, I felt like 735 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: I lost something. But you know, it's a different time. 736 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm now. You know, it's a different reason for you know, 737 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: what they do and you know, and some a lot 738 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: of times to work and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, I 739 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: just wonder that you know, they're going to be talking 740 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: about let's just how about the regular season sixty eight games, 741 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: let's say, but it feels like they're going to load 742 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: manage even at sixty eight games. And so does it 743 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: matter really what the number is if they reduce the 744 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: regular season games in the NBA? Well, I'm like this, 745 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: this is what we signed up for. And young players 746 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 1: coming up to junior, high school, high school, and college, 747 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: we signed up for this, you know, and I think 748 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, when you continue to change the game, Yeah, 749 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: I think you lose a little something, and so you know, 750 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: we signed up to to to play a game that 751 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: we love, and you know, you deal with the consequences, 752 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you get injured and you get hurt. 753 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean, there's part of it. It just happens. That's 754 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: in any sport. Yeah, it just feels like that you 755 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: can get into another contract. You know that that it's 756 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: about extending your career, which I understand that, but these 757 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: owners are probably saying, hey, look we got to get 758 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: paid here too. You want to reduce the regular season schedule. 759 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: How about we reduce some of the pay that we 760 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: give you. I don't think any players are going to 761 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: sign up for that nique where you're caught between a 762 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: rock and horror place. You know, you know, if you 763 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: give up something, you got to give something. Yeah, so 764 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't I don't see it going to sixty eight games. 765 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: I think it's crazy, really, to be honest with you, 766 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about taking a big chuckle games away. You know, 767 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, again, I would have played 768 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: many many seasons. I played eighty two games, so I 769 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: never thought twice about it. If the Hawks advance, do 770 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: you think Atlanta would want the sons of the Clippers. 771 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it really matters. I don't think it 772 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: really matters because the way we're playing and the confidence 773 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: we're playing with the chemistry we have right now. It 774 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you play. The thing is just getting there, 775 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: and once you get there, anything can happen. Great to 776 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: talk to you and Nick, and good luck with Game 777 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: five coming up tomorrow night. We appreciate your time. As always, 778 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: I beg you man. That's sat dominiqu Wilkins, Hall of Famer, 779 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: Hawks vice president of basketball Operations,