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Speaker 1: We're back on Big Blue Kick Golf Live right here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. I am John Schmelkis Paul the

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Speaker 1: Dino's all presented by Coors Light. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Your phone calls at two one four five one three

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Speaker 1: or hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. We might have a

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Speaker 1: surprise guest, but nothing is firm at this point, so

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Speaker 1: we'll be taking your calls all show long. Obviously, we'll

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Speaker 1: continue to take your calls about the NFL Draft, And

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Speaker 1: you know, we've talked so much about the prospects and

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Speaker 1: the players. I thought today would be a better time

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Speaker 1: to take a different angle on it in terms of

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Speaker 1: how the prospects fit on the Giants roster. There depth

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Speaker 1: charted positions, and how they fit with the Giants want

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Speaker 1: them to do. We've kind of touched on that a

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Speaker 1: little bit when the players are drafted, Paul, but I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good time to go in depth on

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Speaker 1: a little bit since these guys will be showing up

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Speaker 1: on Thursday for rookie Minicamp to do their physicals, get

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Speaker 1: fitted for equipment, and hit the practice field on Friday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean really, when you think about it, and this

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Speaker 1: is the part that that I most enjoy because you

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Speaker 1: want to know how the pieces fit into the puzzle.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to say, well, this is what the giants did,

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Speaker 1: but now you say, well, how are they going to

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Speaker 1: use them? And what do they still need to do?

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Speaker 1: Because John, let's not kill ourselves. Training camp doesn't start

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Speaker 1: until the end of July. They still have more work

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Speaker 1: to do, and Da've got him would be the first

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Speaker 1: one to tell you if he was sitting in his

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Speaker 1: chair right now, I still have more work to do.

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Speaker 1: So let's kind of talk about what the giants are

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Speaker 1: still looking at. Absolutely, and of course I will make

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Speaker 1: sure I get to your tweets. I know he did

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Speaker 1: a bad job over the weekend, but I was so

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Speaker 1: excited that we had full banks of calls for four hours.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to, you know, get all the calls

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Speaker 1: on as quickly as I can. But I will make

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Speaker 1: sure I get to your tweets today at hashtag giants chat.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you get them in all right, Paul, let's

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Speaker 1: start at the quarterback position, because obviously Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: the story. I guess my I guess my two questions, Paul,

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Speaker 1: give that to me. I'm gonna I'm gonna put it

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Speaker 1: in the document. Give that to me, please, thank you. Um. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's start with Daniel Jones very quickly, Paul, because he's

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Speaker 1: somebody with we are gonna have a surprise guest. That's

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Speaker 1: what that well, I think sasting was. I think so

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Speaker 1: I hope it's him, so he'll give it a shot. Um.

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Speaker 1: But let's start here, Paul at the quarterback position. First. Um,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about his skills and I'll talk about his

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Speaker 1: Fitt and Shermer system in a second. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the depth chart first, guarantee when the season start at

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Speaker 1: Jones is QB two or is there chance he's QB

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Speaker 1: three at the start of the season. And then who's

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Speaker 1: going to be the third guy? Is it Tanny Can?

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Speaker 1: We'll let it beat him out. How do you just

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Speaker 1: balance what we're looking at the quarterback position in terms

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Speaker 1: of the depth chart this year? And had a little

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Speaker 1: shake out for week one? Well, I do think they

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Speaker 1: keep three quarterbacks, John, correct, But I do believe it's

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Speaker 1: going to be an open competition in terms of when

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones inherits the number two job, he may not

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Speaker 1: necessarily be the guy. He may not necessarily be the

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Speaker 1: guy right out of the gate, and that is, by

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Speaker 1: the way, the number we're looking for. Got it. He

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Speaker 1: just texted me that is the number we're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Um So, in my opinion, I think they will try

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Speaker 1: to hold Jones back until he is absolutely comfortable before

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Speaker 1: moving him up to the number two slot. I don't

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Speaker 1: him the number two guy out of the gate. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether or not that means Lolett is the guy, I've

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Speaker 1: said all along, he's got to compete, and I still

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Speaker 1: believe that he's going to have to compete for a

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Speaker 1: automatically on the fifty three. At the same time, Alex Tanney,

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Speaker 1: why I think that competition. Well, are you making this

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Speaker 1: out recruiting. We're gonna talk to Jeff commission. Is that

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Speaker 1: a pronounces that correct? Yes? Yeah, I got it. I

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Speaker 1: his defensive line, coach. We're gonna have him on in

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Speaker 1: the second to talk about O'Shane Zimmenez right here, and

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Speaker 1: I have about his fit Jones in terms of uh

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Speaker 1: the system with duke with with Shermer, Paul, I think

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Speaker 1: a good thing. Just your general thoughts in terms of

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Speaker 1: I think what I like about Jones is his ability

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Speaker 1: got Sae Kwon Barkley. I think that's gonna make him

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Speaker 1: that's true. Let's get the Jeff commission. He is the

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Speaker 1: old Dominion defensive line coach. We thank him a lot

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Speaker 1: talk about the Giants third round pick, O'Shane Zimmenez. He's

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Speaker 1: out recruiting, taking some time. I'm sure you've got a

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Speaker 1: got John Schmulkin, Paul, They's Rutherford. How are you. We're

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Speaker 1: doing great, Jeff, And we've heard nothing but rave reviews

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Speaker 1: about O'Shane as a person. First, and let's start there.

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Speaker 1: No one had more direct contact and exposure to him

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Speaker 1: o Oshan zimmin az as we talked to you about

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention of NFL scouts, even got invited

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Speaker 1: You know this use Uh he still played very aggressively,

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Speaker 1: being productive no matter what, you put him a situation,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has reached the ceiling yet, and

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Speaker 1: another level. We're drawn by Jeff Commission. He is the

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Speaker 1: no disrespect intended. But when people say that he dropped

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Speaker 1: no disrespect intended to you, your staff or the program

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Speaker 1: at Old Dominion, But is there any validity in your

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Speaker 1: different things. But many times that was a five man front.

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Speaker 1: I suspect you're gonna see a lot of that with

429
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Speaker 1: the Giants this year. So in effect, in effect, Lawrence

430
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Speaker 1: becomes the nose tackle in in in a five man

431
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Speaker 1: front because he's the guy in the middle. That's that.

432
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: It's Norman Clatcher issue. We're just we're talking different eras

433
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Speaker 1: in different normal anyway. Yeah, and then you'll have Hill

434
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Speaker 1: and Tomlinson at where Betcher talks about the three technique,

435
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: which is playing in between the guard and the tackle,

436
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: and then the five technique, which is usually right over

437
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Speaker 1: the tackle, right over the outside shoulder of the tackle,

438
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 1: and those guys will try to get up the feeling. Remember,

439
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Speaker 1: the Giants don't run a run what you call a

440
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Speaker 1: two gap defensive front where you're trying to you know,

441
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Speaker 1: occupy two gaps and just take up space. They're running

442
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Speaker 1: a one gap system where they want you to penetrate

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Speaker 1: in a single gap. So just I know, the normal

444
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Speaker 1: clatcher can get complicated for people. Hopefully we've made a

445
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: little bit clearer there. Uh. The corners, I mean, frankly

446
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: fit with corners isn't that big of a deal. We

447
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 1: know James Betcher wants to press and play man, and

448
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: all the guys that they drafted can do that. They're

449
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Speaker 1: gonna get plugged in and we're gonna see how well

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Speaker 1: they can cover. It's pretty much that simple, isn't it. Well.

451
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Speaker 1: We had also said going into the draft that these

452
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Speaker 1: corners are different flavors, and you know, if you like vanilla,

453
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Speaker 1: you like chocolate, you like strawberry, you're gonna like different

454
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Speaker 1: corners higher on the board than others because of the

455
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Speaker 1: style that they play. Well, guess what, the Giants drafted

456
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Speaker 1: three corners that all are very comfortable playing press man.

457
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 1: There's a reason for that, because Betcher wants to do it.

458
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Speaker 1: You don't draft a zone corner if you're gonna play

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Speaker 1: this kind of scheme. So I think absolutely, And I

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Speaker 1: think that Love is probably more of an inside guy

461
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Speaker 1: than Baker is, So it would surprise me if Baker

462
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Speaker 1: is working inside. I think he's more apt to be

463
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Speaker 1: working outside, and he will compete with Beal at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: But I also think something else, folks, And I don't

465
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Speaker 1: know how much this has been talked about, but I

466
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if one of these guys not only

467
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Speaker 1: winds up in the dime, which I think more and

468
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Speaker 1: more teams are playing more and more dime because it's

469
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Speaker 1: a passing league, it wouldn't also surprise me maybe if

470
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Speaker 1: at some point during the season somebody, particularly uh Love,

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Speaker 1: winds up being the safety. Well that's what Dave. Dave

472
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Speaker 1: Gentleman said that on a serious interview with Pat Carlin,

473
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Speaker 1: and he thinks I didn't hear that. Yeah, he says

474
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Speaker 1: that he thinks at some point, if you wanted to

475
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Speaker 1: play free safety, because of his football intelligence, he thinks

476
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Speaker 1: he might be able to. I would not look Antoine

477
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Speaker 1: Bethet is thirty four years old. You want to talk

478
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Speaker 1: about guys not playing forever I could see love at

479
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: some point, you know, moving into that spot for whatever reason.

480
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: So and now all of a sudden, you feel good

481
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Speaker 1: about five corners that are gonna be on the roster. Baker,

482
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Speaker 1: bal Jenkins, Love Hally Balentine. Heck, that's six. And you

483
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: know what, all six might not make it. They're all

484
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Speaker 1: make it. It you think all six are making I

485
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: would be surprised if they didn't. I I sixes aren't

486
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Speaker 1: to carry the though corner sometimes you know that except

487
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Speaker 1: that we we know that the guys they've brought in

488
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: are all physical and we'll play specials so they will

489
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Speaker 1: have value on more than one unit. And then, by

490
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: the way, the depth of the defensive line Olsen, Pierre R. J. McIntosh,

491
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Speaker 1: and then a couple of guys that will compete with

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Speaker 1: those two for the backup defensive line spots. UM offensive

493
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Speaker 1: tackle we've talked about it with with Big George coming

494
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Speaker 1: out of Kentucky. UM, he'll compete with Chad Wheeler on

495
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Speaker 1: the right side. We'll see if they add a veteran obviously,

496
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Speaker 1: look I can mention the name because the Giants didn't.

497
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: Dave Gentaman talked about him. Uh, Mike Grammer's who's underwent

498
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Speaker 1: back surgery and they'll get him back in here after

499
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Speaker 1: he does some rehab on that back and they'll see

500
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Speaker 1: if he fits. So that's certainly an option down the

501
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Speaker 1: road there. And you know Chris Laton obviously the Aracuse

502
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: draft pick. He'll be competing for that backup defensive line

503
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: spot with r J. McIntosh and Olson Pierre as well,

504
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: So that kind of hits all the draft picks a

505
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: little bit. And the linebacker at Wisconsin I forgot about

506
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: conn Yeah, he's someone that you know on the inside.

507
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: Once you get past ogl Tree and Goodson, you've got

508
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: Tay Davis, Nate Stupar, and then you have Connolly. So

509
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: we'll compete with those guys for playing time. But the

510
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: way that guy gets a shirt on game days if

511
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: he plays really well on special teams, that's how that's

512
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: how he's getting his jersey. Well it's and quite honestly,

513
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: that's how he makes the fifty three. And by the way,

514
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Speaker 1: that's how Corey Valentine gets a jersey on game days

515
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: two because he could be an active guy. Given all

516
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Speaker 1: the depth at corner, he's gonna have to play specials

517
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: to get a jersey. Yes, I agree with that. I

518
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: feel confident about his ability to be on the fifty three.

519
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: But but to be on the game day roster, yeah,

520
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to excel on the third team. You

521
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: have to look fifth round picks in later. If you

522
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Speaker 1: want to play, you want to be you want to

523
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Speaker 1: be active, you want to get a jersey, play special teams,

524
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 1: get after it. And and you know what you did.

525
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: You mention slating the wide receiver. Oh, I did not

526
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Speaker 1: mention that. I forgot to how many Dad picks this year?

527
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: I did not make Darius Lane. Thank you. Go ahead,

528
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: And and honestly, John, think about this. Who's the one

529
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: burner right now in that receiving room. It's Coleman. He's

530
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Speaker 1: the one burner. And Latimer to an extent, I don't

531
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: consider him a burner, and that's fairy. So so with

532
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: only one burner in the room, Slayton's gonna have an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: If he just kicks butt and shows big time during

534
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Speaker 1: training camp, he's gonna make the team. I'm telling you

535
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: that right now. He'll be one of the five receivers.

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Speaker 1: If he shows up big in training camp. I think

537
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Speaker 1: he can do it. They they want speed out of

538
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Speaker 1: that spot. I would. I mean, yeah, I think he's

539
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: got a real shot too, and that Auburn mess, that

540
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: Auburn offense was a mess last year, so I would

541
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: not take his numbers uh to heart. In terms of

542
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: how effective of a player that average Pertchi can and

543
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: over eighteen yards of catch, you can take that. But

544
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: he only at Matt G. I think it was at

545
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: Matt G. The Tino Balentine could be useful as a

546
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: free safety love also, especially with Pepper's playing in the

547
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: box more and as Bethet gets older closer to retirement,

548
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I see Balentine as a corner to be honestly, with

549
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: his size, speed and turning ability, I like the love

550
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: idea of free safety. I think Balentine's gonna stick a

551
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: Quarnerback to five on three, let's get to the phone

552
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: calls and lead off with he's been holding the longest

553
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: is stash in Washington? What's up, buddy? Hey, what's up? Guys.

554
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: There's a couple of quick things I wanted to bring up.

555
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: One is um. Obviously Jones wasn't my take. I wanted

556
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. But that being said, he's a giant and

557
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I and especially after all the hate that this kid

558
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: is getting right now, like I want nothing more for

559
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: when his time comes, that he lights it up and

560
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: that everyone owes this kid in apology like it is.

561
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: It is just disgusting the where they're smashing this kid

562
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: in the media right now. And it's the best part

563
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: is and Stosh, the best part of it is the

564
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: people that are really slamming him aren't the people that

565
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: did the work and actual really have an honest opinion

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00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: on the kid. It's all the kid with all the

567
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: people that are reading the people's work that did all

568
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: the work on the kid and then come to a

569
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: conclusion and then they ripped the kid without actually putting

570
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: any effort into learning anything about him before they That's

571
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: what annoys me, you know. For all the similarities that

572
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: are talked about that he's like Eli Manning, if he

573
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: turns out to be more like Phil Simms, that'd be

574
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: even better. Because when Phil was drafted seventh overall, it

575
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: was universally booed. Nobody knew who he was, his college

576
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: stats were horrible, and the Giants were supposedly the dumbest

577
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: franchise in the world for taking him in the first round. Well,

578
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: phil Simms is a legend and a borderline Hall of Famer.

579
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: So if Daniel Jones follows the phil Simms path, I

580
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be pretty good. But let's just put this.

581
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a robbery that Phil Simms isn't in

582
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: the Home of Fame yet. Um. And the longer it

583
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: goes the heart it is, you know, less likely you

584
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna get in. But when he left,

585
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: when he retired, his numbers are there that he should

586
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: have been in the whole. Maybe not first, but at

587
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: least second or third ballot he should have been. In

588
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: my opinion, I understand real quick. The second thing, real quick,

589
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: um is uh. I don't know if you guys heard it,

590
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: but Chris Carter, like owes the Giants public apologies. Carter

591
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: is an idiot. Chris Carter is an idiot. He's a more,

592
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: He's a more. I couldn't couldn't believe he said that, Like,

593
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: just look at the Giants hissty not to mention, we

594
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: had the longest standing African American GM of any person

595
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: in the least and by the way, and stars not

596
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: just GM. His lieutenant was also African American by the

597
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: way they were both here for a long time. The

598
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: first assistant, the first African American assistant coach in the

599
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: NFL was on the giants like like it's it's discussing.

600
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: And then the fact that so many cultail writers jumped

601
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: on that and was all like oh yeah, yeah yeah,

602
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: banging on the door, like if I was to see

603
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: that man, he'd catched an elbow for me. That's all.

604
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: And I'm only gonna add two names, Emlyn Tonnell and

605
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: Roosevelt Brown. I have nothing else to say, correct rose

606
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: about Brown. You know how love he is. That's crazy,

607
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: right anyway. Lastly, it's a it's a technical um uh,

608
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: constructive criticism for you. And I don't want to hope

609
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: you don't take this to a contend anyway, right because

610
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I love the show, but insten you, guys, since it

611
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: was a thirty minute program, Like I love the show,

612
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: but there are times when you're on the col and

613
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I hear you battling with the caller to try to talk.

614
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: Whether they're talking um if you it all depends on

615
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: how your board is set up. But if you're the

616
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: channels aren't set up independently. We don't hear that There

617
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: was an instance with you and I about two years

618
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: ago where you hung up on me thinking I was

619
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: trying to overtalk you, but I couldn't hear you. So uh,

620
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: It's an easy thinks like if you set your lines

621
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: up independently, then when you talking, someone else talks, both

622
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: those lines will hit each other and you can hear

623
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: what it is. What it is, It depends on the

624
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: phone that people are. Yeah, that's what it is, depending

625
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: on the phone people are on. If you're talking and

626
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: somebody's trying to talk to you on your specific phone,

627
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: people will not hear. We have a million instances where

628
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: we do talk, like just now, you're hear me say

629
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: something right while you were talking, and and you let

630
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: us go, So it isn't on our end. It's very

631
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: frustrating for us because it really depends on the phone

632
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: that the people are on whether or not they will

633
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: hear what we're saying while they're continuing to talk. I

634
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: just want to know, just let you know. I love

635
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the show. I don't like hearing you guys get fuciated

636
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: with this. I appreciate that. Thank you, calls back again soon,

637
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: good care. I always get to hear from you. And

638
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: trust me. Thank you. Hey, you're welcome. Good, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being such a long listener to the show. We

640
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You trust me. It's frustrating for me. And

641
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I've looked. I built the damn thing, so I've gone

642
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: through it a million times, and it's just a matter

643
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Speaker 1: of what It's just a matter of what phone people

644
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Speaker 1: are on. That's it. Let's go to uh Jay out

645
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Speaker 1: in Japan. This is the third time I've heard from

646
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Speaker 1: j over the weekend. How about that? Hello, I have

647
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: two statements and one I have two stats and two questions.

648
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Trying to keep it fast. When everything every hear about

649
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, we hear weak arms, Like what does that

650
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: mean when they say we talk week No, no, no,

651
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: who's ever said, well, he doesn't have a weak arm?

652
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: J He has I would say an average NFL arm.

653
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: His arm, to me is very comparable to what Matt

654
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Ryan has. Just f y I that that would be

655
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: my comparison for his arm. It's an okay pro arm,

656
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: that's all. And that's fine, okay, okay, um. These analysts,

657
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: these analysts that aren't tv ME analysts or whatever, do

658
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: they have access to full tape? Because I know like

659
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones played three years in college. Yes, nine games.

660
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: Do they have access to all thirty nine those games?

661
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: It depends on the guy. A lot of these guys

662
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: do get access to the coaches tape, Like I know

663
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: Dame Bruegler gets coaches stay, Matt Miller get coach, gets coaches,

664
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Speaker 1: tay Tony Pauline, I know, gets coaches tape. A lot

665
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: of those guys do. The guys that we have a

666
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: be as we trust them. I think there are other

667
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: people that are that are flying by the seat of

668
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: their pants. And I'll tell you what, I don't think

669
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: any of the writers get it period. I don't think

670
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: any of the writers in the New York metropolitan area

671
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: who like to pontificate about a lot of things they

672
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know about, they're not getting it right. And I

673
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of fans are listening to,

674
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: so those people that are uninformed. So I did some

675
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: digging and I looked up at next gen stats, and

676
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: there's something called the longest complete the longest completed air distance,

677
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: the longest yards through the air, not like a dump

678
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Speaker 1: off that went to the yacht yards, right, And the

679
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: average in the NFL is stiffed before point oh six

680
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Speaker 1: yards through the air. Eli is sitting at fifty five

681
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: six rivers the stupifive went to stupifive Rolinsburg stup three.

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Speaker 1: So that shows you, I mean, and I mean take

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Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. Right, But that tells

684
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Speaker 1: me that Elik is still sling the ball through the

685
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: air for fifty five yards like he's done it. Oh, I,

686
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't need stats to tell me that. My eyes

687
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: can tell me that, right. I would say that that's

688
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: the average. If this kid can come in and swing

689
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: the ball for fifty yards to the air, I think

690
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: that that's fine. I don't I don't need him to

691
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: throw the ball for seventy yards to the air. You

692
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: really do that anyway? If the average is fifty four, jay,

693
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Speaker 1: I would say, I think Eli has a stronger arm

694
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: then then Jones does. I would like to see Jones

695
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: on the practice field fifteen feet in front of my face,

696
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: which I will get to see in a couple of days,

697
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited about it. But he just watching

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Speaker 1: him with the Senior Bowl in person, which is my

699
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: only in person exposure to him. Uh, he is a

700
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: good enough arm. He does not. I don't think he

701
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Speaker 1: quite has the arm strength that HeLa has. Let me

702
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: let me just add one thing to you. Fran Tarkington

703
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: had a weak arm, all right. One of the most

704
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: prolific passers in NFL history. In fact, at the time

705
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Speaker 1: he retired, he was the number one guy. Okay, and

706
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Fran knew what he was doing, and he threw a

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Speaker 1: lot of dump offs, a lot of checkdowns, a lot

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Speaker 1: of short stuff. But there were times where Fran got

709
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: it long too. And Homewer Joe. You know who's got

710
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: the highest average per catch in the history of National

711
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Football League for those who qualify, Well, how do you

712
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: think he got that? He got that because Fran was

713
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: getting it to him downfield, and Fran was known as

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Speaker 1: having what would be at best and average NFL arm.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't just because that's the It means you have

716
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: to tailor what you do to make sure that you

717
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: fit certain things. The only requirement there is of an

718
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback is that he has enough of an arm

719
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: so that a defensive coordinator has to worry about the

720
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: entire route. True tree, if I can cheat as the

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Speaker 1: defensive quarterman and say, oh, he can't make that throw,

722
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and he can't make that throw. Well, now that's a problem. Correct.

723
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: As long as he can make all the throws on

724
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: the tree, it's sufficient enough. And that's where Jones is at.

725
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: He can make all the throws on the tree. He

726
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a you know, super spectacular and

727
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: blow you away. He just has to keep a cord

728
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: it or honest. Right. Yeah. So yeah, I've been battling

729
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: giant sands on Twitter all day. I just wanted I

730
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of get that off my chest

731
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: with you guys and trying to get more clarification. All right,

732
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Man, I love the show.

733
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I'll be calling in a lot more often. Um. Thanks

734
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: j always good here for me, and again, thank you

735
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: for your service. We uh we we appreciate your servant

736
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: out there in Japan for sure. Yeah. Now John to

737
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: Piggie pack off of that Pennington played here in New

738
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: York with the Jets. Jones has a better arm than

739
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: Chad Penning. And that's the point, correct. Chad Pennington could

740
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: not make all the throws on the route tree consistently. Therefore,

741
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: they had to mutate their offense and coordinators could cheat

742
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: in certain ways. Because they knew Chad couldn't get the

743
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: ball there. That's not what we're talking about with Daniel Jones. No,

744
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: it is not. And the most important thing to me

745
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: for a quarterback is always accuracy. You have to have

746
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: good enough arm strength. It doesn't have to be elite,

747
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: but you have to be accurate. And I think Daniel

748
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: Jones I would consider an accurate thrower of the football.

749
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Does he have elite accuracy consistently enough? That's I think

750
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: a fair question, and I look forward to seeing him

751
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: up closely. He doesn't have eighteen defensive lineman in his

752
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: face trying to murder him on every play. But if

753
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: you have a bigger question about whether or not he's

754
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: going to translate to the pros, pay attention to the accuracy.

755
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Don't pay attention to the arm strength, because accuracy is

756
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: what matters a whole lot more. It does, and actually

757
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: what you watch him and this is what I'm looking

758
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: for because you don't see it on film as much

759
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: in person. Watch when they talk about the spin of

760
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: the ball, it's the rotation of the ball when it

761
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: comes out of the guy's hands. Now we all know

762
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Eli Manning does not throw the most perfect consistent spirals.

763
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Never did Sims spun that ball really well though, Phil

764
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: Phil could really let it go absolutely okay now, and

765
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: by the way, you will hear it. You hear the

766
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: and the ball goes through the air. And because of

767
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: the spin in the rotation, if it's a tighter spin

768
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and a tighter rotation, the ball will cut through the

769
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: wing better, it'll carry Therefore, okay, you will get a

770
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: little extra on it as opposed to maybe somebody who

771
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: doesn't throw that perfect spiral. And of course the guy

772
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: who comes to mind more than anybody is Billy Kilmer,

773
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: who played with the Saints and the Redskins back in

774
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: the seventies. Billy Kilmer through the ugliest wounded ducks in

775
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: NFL history, and somehow he had a really terrific NFL career.

776
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: God knows how he did it, but it was wounded

777
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: duck after wounded duck. Well, obviously that's going to hurt

778
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: the distance on his throws because of the way the

779
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: ball comes out. So I'm anxious to see how pretty

780
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: are those throws when it comes out of Daniel Jones's hands,

781
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: when we're here outside in the meadow lands conditions. That's

782
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a really really big point of interest for me. Yeah,

783
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: how well can he cut through the wind and the

784
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: weather and the cold. I agree, I think that's part

785
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: of it. That's important. And again, folks, just the accuracy

786
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: is what counts. Can he be consistently accurate, especially down

787
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: the field, which can be I feel pretty darn good

788
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: about a short intermediate accuracy, especially as short accuracy. But

789
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: as he gets down the field, I saw enough throws

790
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: or maybe it wasn't perfect. So we'll see how that

791
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: goes when he gets here and I get to see

792
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: him in person more consistent. The guy who had the

793
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: strongest storm in combination with the prettiest spin and long

794
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: throws was Kerry Collins, absolutely sensational, consistently darts down the

795
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: field with tremendous arm strength through a prettier ball than

796
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: Eli did, to be perfectly frank with you, and had

797
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: more more juice on it. Uh. So you know, let's

798
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: see two oh one, nine, four or five on three.

799
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: Big Book of Live is presented by Corps Light Chris

800
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and Buffalo is up next. Hey, Chris for a number

801
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: of years now, thank you, um you guys. Only respite

802
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: from watch Bill's fans jumped through tables up here, so

803
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate, no problem. Um, just two quick things and

804
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: I'll get off the airline. You guys get to other

805
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: colors on first one. I like Daniel Jones. I like

806
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: to pick. I didn't the first, but I've watched a

807
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: bunch of tape on him. He plays smart, he makes

808
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: good decisions, Um, he actually makes. He has a lot

809
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: of good looking deep throws, but you never see him

810
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: in his highlight real because his receivers never catch him.

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00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: That's not you know what, You're not wrong about that,

812
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I see a lot of really

813
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: high level throws from Jones, and then I see other

814
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: throws where he's about to get hit or maybe there's

815
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: double coverage and his competitiveness gets like, you know, almost

816
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: gets the better of him a little bit where here,

817
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: then forced the ball where he shouldn't. So I see

818
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: both sides of that. Yeah, I agree, And I feel like,

819
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: once once you takes you know, once you realize that

820
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: you're latching the future NFL quarterback being protected by graphic

821
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: designers and future sales managers, it kind of falls into place.

822
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: You're not wrong here, you go only other thing this

823
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: quick question I get off the who do you think

824
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: both of you guys on the active roster um will

825
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: surpass expectations this upcoming season? And you just really be

826
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: surprised by good question. Appreciate the call breakout players kind

827
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: of what he's asking for. Yeah, I think breakout player

828
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: or maybe um under the radar player. Wow. I think

829
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Lorenzo card is going to have a sensational year, but

830
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people expect that of him, right.

831
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna play a ton more snaps than

832
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: he played as a rookie last season. He's gonna be

833
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: counted out to basically be a full time guy. So

834
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: if his production does not significantly increase, there's a problem.

835
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: I'll put that on him. I'm a big Lorenzo Carter fan,

836
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: but again, I think people are expecting it. Obviously, Peppers,

837
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: he can't count him. I think Grant Hally has a chance.

838
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of torn on Grant Hally, to be honest

839
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: with MAB. He was so good in the regular season

840
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: last year. He re ley did a really, really good job,

841
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: but you know in camp I thought he was inconsistent.

842
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: So are we getting the player that we saw in

843
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: the summer, we're getting the player that we saw on

844
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: the field for the last four or five games. But

845
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: as I was up, so I think there's no reason

846
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: to believe it will go in the other direction. Um.

847
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: I look, I'm not gonna lie to you. During training camp,

848
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't so sure that Grant Haley was gonna make

849
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: the fifty three. I thought he was going to practice

850
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: squad material. But then he made the team, and as

851
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: he started to get more and more reps, especially in

852
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: the last third of the season when they used him

853
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: in the slot, which he had not played at Penn State,

854
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: he turned out to be a very productive player. And

855
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: I know the coaching staff loves Grant Haley. So uh again,

856
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: this goes down to that, how much are you setting

857
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: the bar? Where where are you putting the expectations on

858
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: the player. I think the coaches expect Grant Haley to

859
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah, I mean, look, if Grant Haley can

860
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: hold off Love, then I think that's your surprise player.

861
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: If he's your starting slot week one and he beats

862
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: out the draft big Love, I think that's good. Yeah. Sure,

863
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a reasonable thing to say,

864
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: because I think Love is a heck of a player.

865
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Cool two, five on three, Let's go to Scott and

866
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: the Bronx. Who's up next? What's up Scotty and gentlemen,

867
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: how's it going? Hello? Yeah, Hello, you're you're on? Yes, sir, Okay,

868
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: just broke up a little bit. Okay. First things first,

869
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: I have a couple of things to say that I

870
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: have a question. Number one, I'm only a fan. I'm

871
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: not in the draft room, the war room selecting these

872
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: players and have all this information on him. I have

873
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: to say, um, disappointed in the draft from the quarterback

874
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: and some the selections of the defensive players. And I'll

875
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: just go real quick through the quarterback. Um, so I

876
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: feel he has potentially yet, but I think they went

877
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: high with it with the draft. Um. I was a

878
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: strong believe that the defension, which I think in the

879
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: previous shows we will agreed somewhat on it, that defense

880
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: should be the first two rounds. Get that the first

881
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: two pigs. And I'm looking when they left Alan on

882
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: the board, and I'll go on the board now to

883
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: go move real quickly further down the draft. Here, uh

884
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: the X man going by his name. Next man, there's

885
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: the guy boys in college who can play down the dirt.

886
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: His name was Alan. He had a fast, sporty time

887
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: to him off the ball, and I felt maybe they

888
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: should have made one with him. Well, well, Scott Scott,

889
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick on Zach Allen. He weighs two pounds,

890
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: So he's not a guy that's that that's going to

891
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: be a stand up outside rusher for you or even

892
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I saw him as more as more

893
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: of a three technique than I saw him as an

894
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: outside rusher. So and I agree, yeah, but I mean

895
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: I felt the Giants could have used that very much

896
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: so in that material line there and I felt that

897
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: was there. Yes, man, though he had great credentials, it

898
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: was also a small town, a small college, and the

899
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: competition he won against was not of all the greatness

900
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: that that chance to time out, time out, time out.

901
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: We gotta hit the pause button here for just a second.

902
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: Did you just hear our review with the defensive line

903
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: coach from Old Dominion. They played three upper upper echelon

904
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: UH schools that were of a higher level than the

905
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Conference USA Old Dominion, and he said he performed extremely

906
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: well in those games and pointed to the Virginia Tech

907
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: game particularly as his best game. So in this instance,

908
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: in this instance, I think there is at least a

909
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: sample size of the X Men performing at an appropriate

910
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: level that that should quell some of the questions about

911
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: the the level of camp. And if you didn't hear

912
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: that interview, please go back and check in the archive

913
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: when he goes up online. I did, but his kids

914
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: my account to that. I'm not disagreeing with that. What

915
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: I will say to you is that I feelt he

916
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: would be a great take in the fourth or fifth round.

917
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: But he would have been there. There's no way he

918
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: was gonna be there. Jim Making in the Senior well,

919
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: we could, we could, But Jim Naked from the Senior

920
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: Bowls said yesterday he thought he was a second round pick.

921
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: Second And with all the respect, I think Naki knows

922
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: more about players than you do. Really, I mean, come on,

923
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: nag Nagi has been doing this for what forty years?

924
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: How long you've been scouting players? No, No, Jim Nate,

925
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Jim Naked has been doing this for thirty forty years, right,

926
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: I mean if he said, if he says that that

927
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: he had second round value on the guy, and and

928
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: even the assistant coach said, well, from what we heard

929
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: from all the teams that we're talking to him, we

930
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go on the second round. How

931
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: can you say the fifth round? Well, Scott, Scott's real quick.

932
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this. At the end of the third round,

933
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 1: when we were alive on Friday night, we were talking

934
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: about three or four different edge rushers in that spot.

935
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: We were talking about Christian Miller out of Alabama. We

936
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: were talking about Zims from Old Dominion. We were talking

937
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: about Max Crosby from Eastern Michigan and those I think

938
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: we're the three, and maybe Anthony Nelson from Iowa was

939
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: in the middle. Do you like Crosby and Nelson? I

940
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: didn't correct, well, but the point is that he was

941
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: in the conversation Scott and I, honestly, I do think

942
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the third round, I think it

943
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: was more than fair to have him in the conversation

944
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: along with those other guys. I mean, I don't know

945
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: what books said fifth round. I don't know what you're eating,

946
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: but that's that's what about. Okay, gentlemen, again, I'm a

947
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: fan and and I love your show. I'm just expressing

948
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: my opinion. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. I hope. I'm

949
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: totally wrong on this draft selection and the first one

950
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: to e crow and come back and apologize. But it's

951
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: what I feel is a longtime Giant fan that they've done.

952
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Here's then the poet too, Paul, especially you, You and

953
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I think about the physicality and the offensive line, defensive line. Yeah,

954
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed that they waited for big they want.

955
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: They got big George at seven. Okay, okay, like say,

956
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: he maybe he may be a dime in the rough,

957
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: let's go there. But they were other tackles they could

958
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: have granted before that. And let's face it, the Giants

959
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: offensive line got better towards the end of the year

960
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: last year, but still need there were some other big guys.

961
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I thought they could right tackle. Scott. I gotta hit

962
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: the pause button again, John, tell him how many times

963
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: did I ask for an offensive lineman a tackle during

964
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Saturday's Four Hours Showy Scott Paul Paul was begging for

965
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: a right tackle and around three, four and five, and

966
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: I actually, and trust me, I understand the need for one.

967
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: I never thought the right tackle was the best player

968
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: until you and the third But I like the man

969
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: you did. Absolutely. I never thought the offensive tackle was

970
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: the best player on the board until you got to

971
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: probably the Giants sixth round pick or late fifth round

972
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: pick up until then, I always thought there was a

973
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: better player at a better position. So Scott, I'm with you.

974
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: I believe that the the the the position that is

975
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: the most need that they were unable to fill was

976
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: right tackle. And I kept asking for David Edwards for

977
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: how many three rounds, four rounds? I kept saying, David Edwards,

978
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: David Edwards, Isaiah Prince from Ohio State, Prince here, you know,

979
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: and and and I made it clear that was my want.

980
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: That's not what I thought the Giants were gonna do,

981
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: because I don't know what they're gonna do. I was saying.

982
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: My want is they gotta they gotta get a hold

983
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: of his spot. Now. As an addendum, clearly there is

984
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: a very hot spot on the radar for Mike Remers.

985
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: So if they do wind up with the Mike Remers

986
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: signing at some point here during the off season, well

987
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: that does address the whole to some degree. He's not

988
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: going to come in and be an all pro. He

989
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: never has been in his career. He's not gonna be

990
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: one now. But is he a functional right tackle. Well,

991
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: you asked them Minnesota Vikings. The Vikings wanted to resign him,

992
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: or should I say, keep him around. They asked him

993
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut. He said no. They said, well,

994
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: if you won't take the pay cut, because there's a

995
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: little injury question here, we're gonna have to cut you.

996
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: He said, okay, cut me. So but why did the

997
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Vikings want to keep him? If he's no good, he

998
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: must be good? So yeah, And folks, I want to

999
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: just jump up on what Scott said. Look, we want

1000
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: you guys opinions. We want him and what we comment back,

1001
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: we give ours. You know, you give yours, and that's fine,

1002
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. We want you to and

1003
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: and in fact I agree, we've probably well half of

1004
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: what he said. I mean, I was campaigning for a

1005
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: right tackle. I was. It was Scott, you're not totally

1006
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: out of line on this, And I didn't think there

1007
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: was another pass rusher when they picked x Man, where

1008
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I know for a fact that

1009
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I really like this guy more than than him. There

1010
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: are other guys in the mix, but I could definitely

1011
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: see Chef's choice either way on those Now to be

1012
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: fair at the time. If you guys go back and

1013
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: look at the archive and watch that show, John and

1014
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I finally settled. I think on Christian Miller, we thought

1015
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: at that point because because at that point, I think

1016
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: Miller is a more developed all around outside linebacker than

1017
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: x Man is. I think x Man is probably a

1018
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: bleek with the higher ceiling and more pure potential as

1019
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. But when you consider that Miller is

1020
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: coming out of a huge program like Alabama, and he

1021
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: also showed that he was strong enough and powerful enough

1022
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: to play and hold up against the run. He's probably

1023
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: more pro ready to play more snaps because of that ability.

1024
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: So when push came to shove ten minutes before the pick,

1025
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: I was think x Man. And then it was like

1026
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: when we made the pick, Okay, I'll take Miller, but

1027
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. There was really no

1028
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: other high ceiling potential pass rusher on the board after

1029
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: that pick, and Frankly and I know Dave said he

1030
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: thought it was a really deep position. But in my opinion,

1031
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm and I said this many times during the show

1032
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: before we before we get up to the draft, once

1033
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: you got past that, once you got past the Dalton

1034
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Reisner's and and Kayla McGarry's. I didn't think there was

1035
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: another plug and play offensive tackle in the draft. I

1036
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: just didn't. That was my personal opinion of the class.

1037
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: So I thought, once you got past pick thirty seven,

1038
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: I did not feel a great about getting a Day

1039
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: one right tackle starter in this class. And apparently the

1040
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Giants maybe thought likewise, because I never went in that direction,

1041
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: But that was always my opinion. Well, you know what's interesting,

1042
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: And I remember saying to you, I thought you could

1043
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: get one in the fourth or maybe the fifth after

1044
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: the draft was over. Did you listen to the whole

1045
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: propressor with Dave We were in there, right, Gettleman said,

1046
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: And I want to say it was the fifth round,

1047
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: he said, after the I think it was after the

1048
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: fifth round. He said, we did not have anybody else

1049
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: graded at that point for offensive tackle. Was like the

1050
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: deep drop. It was wiped out, That's what he said,

1051
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: which meant he thought the same thing that if we're

1052
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna get a tackle to compete for a starting job,

1053
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: as it turned out, it was gonna have to be

1054
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: in the first five rounds or after that. It was

1055
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: gonna be a crapshoot and maybe I shouldn't use that word.

1056
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I should say it's it's gonna be a flyer. You're

1057
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: throwing darts against the wall. And okay, that's what they

1058
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: did with Big George and the seventh they just took Ay,

1059
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: threw a dart against the wall, took a flyer on him.

1060
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a shot. But but Dy've made it clear

1061
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: that he thought all of the potential plug and play

1062
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: possible starting competition tackles were gone by the middle of Saturday.

1063
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: And quite honestly, John, you know what that meant those

1064
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: four defensive players they took after Jones. Would you have

1065
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: wanted to give up any of those guys when you

1066
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: knew potentially that you'd have remors coming in here in

1067
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: a month. Anyway, that was my point. I never have

1068
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: wanted to give up Slaton. I never thought the right

1069
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: tackle was the best player on the board and never did.

1070
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: And and and Slate in the speedy wide receiver that

1071
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, they think he could really add something to

1072
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: the deep game in retrospect. Again, now this is where

1073
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: not everybody knows everything that's going on. Dave did reveal

1074
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: after the draft that there is a significant plan in

1075
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: place that has some some merit to, it's some legs

1076
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: to about bringing Remers in. Well, if you knew that beforehand,

1077
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: and you were confident in that beforehand, it could alter

1078
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: your your plan a little bit. And he does seem

1079
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: very confident now that that something will happen with Remors.

1080
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: That does adjust your line of thinking. We all thought

1081
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: that something was in place, but we didn't know how

1082
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: confident he was. Final two calls of the show, letting Columbia,

1083
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: Maryland this verse Hello, Len, Hey, guys, how you doing. Hey, Hey, Paul,

1084
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: real quick, let me just say, m one tell one

1085
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: of the three best ever to put the uniform on

1086
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: with the Giants dynamite. I don't have a problem with

1087
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: that an understatement. Yeah, well, one of the greatest giants ever.

1088
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: For the call on the technology, John, you and I

1089
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: have talked about it before. I just hope all you're

1090
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: all your hosts, even when we get into the season,

1091
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: understand the dilemma because over my eight or nine year

1092
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: curried with this show, John, You've got about the most

1093
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: courteous call base you're gonna you're gonna find on the end,

1094
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: and you know it's terrific. So you know, sometimes here

1095
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: the hosts yelling and then maybe even hanging up. Um,

1096
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I hope you can fix the technology. Um, you know,

1097
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: remors um everywhere he's been he started. I mean, the

1098
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: guy who started about sixty NFL games. He's he's a

1099
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: pretty good tackle. He's certainly an NFL tackle. Yeah, I

1100
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: mean even even you know, even with the Vikings. You

1101
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: know two years Sherman knows him well. Um, when he

1102
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: was with Carolina, I mean Carolina went to the super Bowl.

1103
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: He was a starting right tackle. He had a tough

1104
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: game in the Super Bowl against von Miller, but that

1105
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: was at his peak in his career, at his best

1106
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: in the game. But um, you know he held off

1107
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams for a couple of years. It's the start us.

1108
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: So he's he's I think our biggest competition for Mers

1109
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: is going to be the Vikings man. I wouldn't don't

1110
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: be surprised if the Vikings get back in this. They

1111
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: did want him back once the back is right, or

1112
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: they believe it's right that that that that they're going

1113
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: to try to hold onto him and the the the

1114
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: gauge here is very simple. And I address this to

1115
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: you specifically because you and I have had this conversation

1116
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: many times over the last several years. The gauge is simple.

1117
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Is the player functional enough that you don't have to

1118
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: eat parts of your playbook to get your offense going.

1119
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: And that's the litmus test. If the guy is functional

1120
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: enough to do everything you want to do, he is

1121
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: good enough. And that's it doesn't have to be an

1122
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: all pro. He just has to be able to allow

1123
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: you to do your plays. And I think Remers is

1124
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: that good. Absolutely. I I think you're right on that ball.

1125
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Listen on the draft if if

1126
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: I've got another minute, um, I think it was okay.

1127
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not crazy about it. One of the

1128
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: things I did was, you know, look at the Eagles,

1129
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: look at the Cowboys, look at the Redskins. And in

1130
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: the case of the Eagles and the Cowboys, we almost

1131
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: had twice the number of picks that they do. And

1132
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: I like that. I think if you have twice as

1133
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 1: much as your competition, I think you can do better

1134
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: than the competition in the draft. But the question is

1135
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: how much ground did we make up? I mean, you know,

1136
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: we were one in five in the division two years

1137
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: in a row. I mean, you know, we got to

1138
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: look at this from the standpoint of can can we

1139
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: start making up ground? Come we go two and four?

1140
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: You know, but it's I think all listen, I think

1141
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: all ten players can make the fifty three, you know,

1142
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: just talking about Big George. I'm looking at the Giants roster.

1143
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking down the tackles. What what makes us think

1144
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: that Big George can't can't make the fifty three. I

1145
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: didn't say start, I said make the fifty three. He's

1146
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: got a shot. He's got a shot. We'll see. Yeah. Now, um,

1147
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: as you get closer to the front end of the draft,

1148
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: well you know you got to go to the first pick.

1149
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I hope, um, you know, I hope Mr Gentleman was

1150
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: right on with this pick. I really do I have

1151
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: a bias or I mean I got a bias to

1152
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: allow you guys know that. I'm not going to try

1153
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: to hide that anymore. Um, but you know, I hope,

1154
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: I hope this guy makes it. I would have. I

1155
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: think if I'm being a great and I'm not gonna

1156
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you a letter, but if

1157
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm being a greade this, I feel better with Alan

1158
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: and Lawrence or Paul even better Lawrence and Diller's. I

1159
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: feel a grade better if if not Lawrence and Dillard,

1160
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Alan and Dillar's so with Alan at the

1161
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: front end, I feel a lot better about the total draft.

1162
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: But I think we improved our team. Hopefully it's why

1163
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot that we can catch our competition in the

1164
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: division and um, you know when we move forward from there.

1165
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: And thanks for taking the call. It's a great show.

1166
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: You guys were great last week. Paul your your your

1167
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: face on Saturday as we went round by round not

1168
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: picking a tackle, I mean, it was telling really frustrated.

1169
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: I can't play poker, thank you. First of all, I

1170
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't like the game checond of all. No,

1171
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 1: I can't hide it. I just can't hide it. No, Paul,

1172
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: as I as we joked about it once the other day,

1173
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: Paul would be the worst spy in the history of mankind.

1174
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: He would be found out immediately, just stands out. He

1175
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to control himself. He shows emotion, he

1176
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: walks faster than everybody else, He's loud. He's with the

1177
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: worst spy ever. I don't blend in at all. No,

1178
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: he does not blend in. And that's exactly what you

1179
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: want a spy to do, alright. Final call of the

1180
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: show is our buddy Charlie. Charlie, Hello, Hi Charlie, Hey Paul.

1181
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: What's going on? It's always it's always good to listen.

1182
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: It's always good to listen to Lenn. I always learned something.

1183
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: It's uh. I really enjoy Lenn and I'm glad I'm

1184
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: following him. I got a couple of quick points. Um.

1185
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: One is the the guy that I think that's going

1186
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: to have a really good year is And I don't

1187
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: think anyway. I think a lot of people are sleeping

1188
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: on him. Tony Lappette. Um, the guy, I mean, the

1189
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: guy had a He was a real yeah Lapette, isn't

1190
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: it lip it lip it let lip it, lip it

1191
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: lip it And uh, he was a really good cornerback

1192
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: before that happened. And he usually takes a couple of years,

1193
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: you know before um, you know the Achilles heels. And

1194
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: I think this could be the year for him. He's

1195
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: got a shot. There's a lot of competition ahead of him,

1196
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: but hey, if he wins it, then that means he

1197
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: did something right. He certainly has the size and length

1198
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: that they're looking for at the physician. I wonder if

1199
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: they were to try its safety. And he used to

1200
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: be fast. So yeah, we'll see, Charlie. Good question. And

1201
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: he's of that, and he and the other thing is I,

1202
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to see us get a right tackle,

1203
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: but I've always said we need a right tackle that

1204
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: trend quality right tackle. So I don't I'm not that

1205
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: that they didn't get anybody. They got a couple of

1206
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: undrafted guys or at least one they brought in, but

1207
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: I want a veteran. The only thing I have a

1208
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: problem with is back injuries are never simple or just

1209
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, easy or um. They're always a problem. And

1210
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: once somebody has back back surgery, UM, I don't know

1211
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be able to count on this guy

1212
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: to tell you the truth. Um, So you know, I'm

1213
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: not throwing all my you know, bast my eggs in

1214
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: the basket of reamers because I just don't know what

1215
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: the back surgery is going to be, you know. To

1216
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: be honest, Charlie, I understand your trepidation because anybody who's

1217
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: going through something like that does have a bit of

1218
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: a question mark on his resume. I won't deny that,

1219
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: thank you, Charlie, appreciate the call, but I would also

1220
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: head John. The Vikings did ask him to stay and

1221
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: take a pay card, but that that's why they're waiting,

1222
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: that's why they haven't the paper. And yet he's gonna

1223
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: go rehab. He's gonna man. I'm sure they're gonna put

1224
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: him through a bunch of workouts, make him run around,

1225
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: and they'll make sure he's where he needs to be.

1226
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: Trust me, he's going to help. No team is going

1227
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: to sign a player in this unless they have a

1228
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: strong amount of confidence that that money is going to

1229
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: be worth it, because otherwise you're wasting a roster spot

1230
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: and you're wasting money if the guide does not have

1231
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: a high chance to be able to stay on the field.

1232
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's this week's episode or today's episode

1233
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: of Big Bookay Golf Line presented by Corps Like for

1234
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: Paul de Tino, I'm John Schwell. Tomorrow it's Lands and

1235
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: Detino and then Rookie Minicamp begins on Friday. See what

1236
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: everybody