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Speaker 2: I am Kyle Yeoman.
Speaker 3: Thank hey guys, welcome back my friend that other host sucks.
Speaker 1: Oh man was married. No great job, man.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun listening to you guys over
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. And I mean the fomo
Speaker 2: is real. And for those who don't know, fear of
Speaker 2: missing out fomo, oh dude, like Draft weekend OTAs the.
Speaker 4: Draft is your thing, dude.
Speaker 1: The Draft.
Speaker 2: That was the hardest thing to sit on my hands
Speaker 2: for ever. And my wife even got mad at me
Speaker 2: because I was at home and I was still like
Speaker 2: tweeting and like sending out content, like putting stuff out
Speaker 2: there and She's like, please get off the phone, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I will after the two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty fifth pick, Like that's fine, I will get off
Speaker 2: the phone.
Speaker 1: But after that's over.
Speaker 2: So, man, I cannot explain how how good it is
Speaker 2: to be back.
Speaker 1: The babies are all great.
Speaker 2: They're all home, which is just so where you're so
Speaker 2: thankful for and they are doing, uh, doing incredibly well.
Speaker 2: They're growing and man, they're the cutest little things. And
Speaker 2: I will cherish those these these last couple of weeks forever.
Speaker 2: And but now it's time to kind of get back
Speaker 2: to the real world. It's been Cloud nine for a
Speaker 2: little bit, just hanging with the family, being around them
Speaker 2: and things like that. But now it's time to produce
Speaker 2: content again because the off season is pretty much over.
Speaker 2: I mean today, there's a lot going on today, what
Speaker 2: off season, there's there's a lot going on today. We're
Speaker 2: finishing up our shows this week, and then the next
Speaker 2: time we're on a microphone, we'll be in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: So that's when it gets really i mean.
Speaker 2: Imperative about this team, especially with the way that this
Speaker 2: offseason has gone so far.
Speaker 1: But yeah, good to be back with you. Guys.
Speaker 5: No, it's great.
Speaker 3: It's great to hear your voice again. And I think
Speaker 3: we've all kind of missed hearing that Kyle Yeoman's voice
Speaker 3: on Dallas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about some of that stuff going on today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got some mandatory mini camp. And it was the
Speaker 2: first word mandatory.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: There's an emphasis on that word. I feel like today
Speaker 1: for a couple.
Speaker 2: Of individuals, you got to be here, right, you would
Speaker 2: be here and you have to be mandatory.
Speaker 4: That's not voluntary. It's different than.
Speaker 5: Military Randalorian, but mandatory.
Speaker 4: Yet it's not Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: We're not talking Star Wars.
Speaker 5: No, Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about a young Jedi though in His
Speaker 2: name is CD Lamb. CD now talking about CD. That's
Speaker 2: that's who all the eyes are on. I know Micah
Speaker 2: had his.
Speaker 1: Own OTA many holdouts. I guess you could say just
Speaker 1: not be at OTA's, but that's optional.
Speaker 2: This is mandamatory. So you would expect Parsons to be
Speaker 2: in the fold. Do you expect CD Lamb to be
Speaker 2: in the fold, especially after the news of Justin Jefferson's
Speaker 2: new one.
Speaker 1: And forty million dollar contra I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't expect it. Now he might surprise us and
Speaker 5: be here. And I know a lot of people might
Speaker 5: feel some type of ways should neither one of those
Speaker 5: gentlemen decide to show up today for the mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 5: But everybody understands. I think at this point in time,
Speaker 5: I think the general public understands now that business is
Speaker 5: business and there's a team aspect is not. I don't
Speaker 5: want to say it's not personal towards the team, towards
Speaker 5: the players, your teammates. They understand as well that if
Speaker 5: you have to sit out to handle your business, that
Speaker 5: it is not an indictment on your commitment to the team,
Speaker 5: that it is simply you trying to make sure that
Speaker 5: there's one opportunity that you've been working for for your
Speaker 5: entire life, that that box gets checked, because for you
Speaker 5: to not address it and have regrets later on, that's
Speaker 5: one thing that you just don't get back. You got
Speaker 5: to understand the amount of hours, you gotta understand the
Speaker 5: amount of dedication, amount of sweat, the commitments that they've had.
Speaker 5: This is their time, and nobody on the team, I
Speaker 5: would imagine speaking from a former player, nobody is going
Speaker 5: to look at those two individuals should they choose not
Speaker 5: to show up, especially CD. All right, we're talking about
Speaker 5: CD in the contracts right now, of course, and say,
Speaker 5: you know what, how dare you not be here during
Speaker 5: the mandatory meaning camp, we have to be here, you
Speaker 5: should be here. That's usually the public consensus. That's not
Speaker 5: coming from the locker room.
Speaker 3: If you were in the same position, you would make
Speaker 3: a similar business. This is absolutely, absolutely this is the
Speaker 3: time where you make money. It happens now. They don't
Speaker 3: have the privilege of getting money after they stopped playing.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, This is where you build
Speaker 3: that fortune, and it's a business decision and you have
Speaker 3: to respect that. And I think everybody in the building
Speaker 3: respects respects that, and the clock is ticking at this point.
Speaker 4: The deal's got to get.
Speaker 3: Done and hopefully hopefully you do that before training camp.
Speaker 4: I think you know it's going to I think it's
Speaker 4: done now this week, will I mean, come on, you
Speaker 4: think so, yeah, I got nothing going on this week.
Speaker 4: Let's just do it now.
Speaker 5: It happens.
Speaker 2: They don't involve us in those financials reach out to
Speaker 2: but if they would have listened to talking cowboys, they
Speaker 2: would have known that this this day was coming. Because
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb's not the only big time wide receiver from
Speaker 2: that draft class in twenty twenty that's waiting on a
Speaker 2: deal justin Jefferson yesterday. Four years, one hundred and forty million,
Speaker 2: one ten guaranteed. It it's basically the Dak contract.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's the Dak Prescott deal.
Speaker 5: I like the one team guarantee. But you know what
Speaker 5: I liked even more. What's that eighty eight at signing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's guaranteed. Sign Yeah, guaranteed.
Speaker 5: It's sign your name and get direct depositive eighty eight million.
Speaker 2: By the way, Yes, I know Dak was one sixty
Speaker 2: and that's a little bit bigger. But I'm talking from
Speaker 2: a team piece of the pie standpoint. It is a
Speaker 2: significant contract, biggest non quarterback contract in NFL history. And
Speaker 2: now that you've got two other guys waiting, You've got
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb and Jamar Chase, and neither one of them
Speaker 2: are in a rush.
Speaker 5: They're mister Burns in it right now again to get
Speaker 5: it done.
Speaker 1: But if you're the team, are you now in a rush?
Speaker 1: Does this? Does this expedite the process?
Speaker 5: I don't think so, really, I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I think now I.
Speaker 1: Think it's already kind of a conversation.
Speaker 5: I think it should have been a rush prior to
Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson. Now that Justin Jefferson's deal is done, I think,
Speaker 5: now you know the number.
Speaker 4: But I think they were very clear and that they
Speaker 4: were waitings to.
Speaker 1: Have to match it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think now, I mean when you look at
Speaker 5: their stats.
Speaker 1: I mean matching that significant.
Speaker 5: I mean, but you have to. I mean, you know
Speaker 5: I'm saying, and every person that you allowed to get
Speaker 5: their contract done was raising the it was raising the bar. Sure,
Speaker 5: it was setting the new standard. That was it, right,
Speaker 5: Like that's the market. Now when aman Ron Saint Brown
Speaker 5: got his deals, like ooh, you better hurry up and
Speaker 5: figure something out, right, you know, all these guys start
Speaker 5: getting their deals, you had an opportunity. The Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 5: had a window to set the market and say, hey, CD,
Speaker 5: this is the highest for a receiver. But now you
Speaker 5: let other teams dictate what that is. And now you're
Speaker 5: putting CD in a in a very powerful position to say, well,
Speaker 5: now look at my stats, look at his stats. We're
Speaker 5: considered to be two of the best to do this
Speaker 5: thing in the game. If he's getting thirty five, I'm
Speaker 5: getting thirty five. If he got one hundred and ten, guaranteed,
Speaker 5: I'm getting a hundred that and he's earned that right. So,
Speaker 5: but you had the Cowboys had the leverage prior to
Speaker 5: his comparison getting his deal. Now to his comp has
Speaker 5: this deal. It's no different than you going to get
Speaker 5: your property taxes at the house when you go to
Speaker 5: when you go talk talk to the talk to the city,
Speaker 5: and you say, hey, guess what I want to get
Speaker 5: my tax They say, well, show me the other houses
Speaker 5: in your neighborhood that are like yours. That's exactly what
Speaker 5: just happened with CD and Justin Jefferson. Now Justin Jefferson
Speaker 5: had just raised the market. Now to get how Cowboys
Speaker 5: have to match.
Speaker 4: That eighty eight at signing.
Speaker 5: Literally it's gonna be I mean literally, I mean, yes,
Speaker 5: I you like, but like that is it now? Yeah?
Speaker 5: It might not have bar it might not have been
Speaker 5: the conversation before, but now it is.
Speaker 3: Well, they did say, granted they were waiting for leaves
Speaker 3: to fall as far as wide receivers around the league
Speaker 3: getting their contracts, and this was the big This is
Speaker 3: the the I'm gonna seel Patrick Walker's tweet here.
Speaker 4: This is the redwood that fell, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: This is this is what you expect.
Speaker 5: He's so articulate, he really is.
Speaker 4: He's got a way about him. But uh no, it's
Speaker 4: facts though.
Speaker 3: This is the one that you really needed to get
Speaker 3: out there in order to determine how much you're gonna
Speaker 3: pay CD. Their stats are so similar that the output
Speaker 3: is so similar for both of them that that's the
Speaker 3: number now.
Speaker 4: And do you get even a.
Speaker 3: Dollar more than you did to Justin Jefferson That whatever
Speaker 3: it takes, but that is the number you're playing with.
Speaker 4: That is the bar.
Speaker 1: What would you do with the CD LAMB contract?
Speaker 2: I want to hear from the ten line eight one
Speaker 2: seven two nine zero three two nine eight eight one
Speaker 2: seven two nine zero three two nine eight Do.
Speaker 1: You pay him now?
Speaker 2: Do you let him play out a year, which I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody wants to do. No way, there's no way.
Speaker 2: But do you feel like this adds pressure? Is probably
Speaker 2: the question I should ask to the front office to
Speaker 2: get a deal done, because we know CDs party is
Speaker 2: looking at that and saying, wait, maybe we can wait
Speaker 2: until Jamar Chase's deal comes down.
Speaker 5: I don't think Jamar Chase is in that conversation Will
Speaker 5: has two. I think he's really good receiver, but I
Speaker 5: don't think that he's dealt with more injuries he has,
Speaker 5: and I don't think that that's to come right. I
Speaker 5: think Jamar Chase will come in below that now Jamar
Speaker 5: Chase is happy as well.
Speaker 2: Doesn't always happen in terms of like ratings. If we're
Speaker 2: talking like Madden ratings, I agree with you. I think
Speaker 2: I think Justin Jefferson Ceedee Lamb are right there and
Speaker 2: they're both very very good. Jamar Chase is probably a
Speaker 2: step below there. But when it comes to contracts, it
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily go that way.
Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: They can reset the market with Jamar Chase just as
Speaker 2: much as they did with an.
Speaker 5: I don't foresee that happening. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. Can happen.
Speaker 5: I don't foresee that happening. I do believe that Jamar
Speaker 5: Chase is probably happy now because he's like, Okay, well
Speaker 5: thank you Justin Jefferson. Now I can come in right
Speaker 5: underneath you. You know, if that's the case, I don't
Speaker 5: see him saying I should get more than justin Jefferson,
Speaker 5: I can't see that. But in terms of the Dallas
Speaker 5: Cowboys in a position that they now find themselves in,
Speaker 5: I think that both them and CD are probably in
Speaker 5: a more relaxed state now. And some people may not
Speaker 5: agree with that, but I think that they were probably
Speaker 5: more on edge prior to this deal coming across yesterday
Speaker 5: because they didn't know in this real negotiations, right, you
Speaker 5: want this now? I don't think we want that on
Speaker 5: I believe that, And it's back and forth. But now
Speaker 5: that you're literally the person that we were comparing you
Speaker 5: to that number set Okay, now we know where're at
Speaker 5: right now, we know we're at Now, it's okay. Now
Speaker 5: we don't have to bicker back and forth. Now we're
Speaker 5: talking about how much money do you want at signing?
Speaker 5: Now we're talking about playing around with the salary cap.
Speaker 5: That's what we're now talking about is no longer than
Speaker 5: actual number. Now it's just how much money do we
Speaker 5: give you in cash.
Speaker 1: Piece of the pie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of thing exactly, and how do you
Speaker 3: fit that under acts contract as well?
Speaker 5: And just with the cole is Aller gap.
Speaker 4: Situation that you have at the moment, I think.
Speaker 2: Some of the other Yeah, that's the thing is some
Speaker 2: of the other dead cap situations and some of the
Speaker 2: where this off season is really pointed to is this
Speaker 2: is not an off season to spend, right, But if
Speaker 2: you were going to spend, it's gonna be guys like
Speaker 2: CD and Micah and Trayvon or not Trayvon Deron down
Speaker 2: the road, right whenever they those contracts are coming, this
Speaker 2: is the time to do it.
Speaker 1: I think you got to get it done.
Speaker 3: Being brought up a really good point yesterday, it's like,
Speaker 3: how much of the are the Vikings paying JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That's that's that's a part
Speaker 3: of why they're absolutely still done.
Speaker 2: Do they have any dead cap with Kirk with Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins on there too, with him leaving this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do or not. We'll find
Speaker 1: the answer to that while you're looking for that. And
Speaker 1: before we take our first break, we want.
Speaker 2: To spend some time to remember one of the greats,
Speaker 2: the legend Larry Allen, passed away yesterday or Sunday rather
Speaker 2: at the age of fifty two.
Speaker 1: And honestly, you've seen it on social media.
Speaker 2: You've seen it on different platforms throughout the last forty
Speaker 2: eight hours or so. But the amounts of respect, the
Speaker 2: amounts of admiration, and the amount of sadness from this
Speaker 2: moment specifically has all just kind of compounded in the
Speaker 2: response from the league and from those that were close
Speaker 2: to Larry Allen. And I first want to say condolences
Speaker 2: to the family of Larry Allen and really what he
Speaker 2: brought to the table, not only as a football player,
Speaker 2: but as a man as well, because he leaves behind
Speaker 2: a couple children and a wife as well, and he
Speaker 2: was only fifty two years old, but the impact that
Speaker 2: he had in those fifty two years will always be
Speaker 2: remembered for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, everybody that I've spoken to that has had
Speaker 5: a relationship with Larry Allen has nothing but positive things
Speaker 5: to say about him. Every teammate that he's ever had,
Speaker 5: I know a bunch of guys that have played with him,
Speaker 5: old school guys and relatively new school guys, guys that
Speaker 5: are kind of in my realm at the end of
Speaker 5: his career. They all had nothing but positive things to
Speaker 5: say about it. Talked about his his friendship, talked about
Speaker 5: his leadership, talked about his wisdom that he obviously passed
Speaker 5: along to some of the younger guys that were up
Speaker 5: and coming. You hate anybody passing. You hate obviously guys
Speaker 5: who have had tremendous impacts passing. But the impact that
Speaker 5: he's left not only for the organizations that he's played for,
Speaker 5: but the entire league. You really feel that in this
Speaker 5: In this regard.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's incredibly sad, and you also feel sad
Speaker 3: for the players that he played with and the people
Speaker 3: that you know are in this building every day. You know,
Speaker 3: I think of Nate automatically and it's just I can't
Speaker 3: imagine how are breaking That is grind I haven't.
Speaker 5: Tked to him about it, but I talked to him yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, it's tragic, but still we'll be
Speaker 3: remembered as possibly the greatest offensive lineman to ever be
Speaker 3: a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 2: One of the things that has been a positive, even
Speaker 2: if you can just find the good in anything over
Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours, is the amount of highlights
Speaker 2: and stories that have come out with Larry Allen. And
Speaker 2: of course we've had limited interaction with Larry. He wasn't
Speaker 2: around the building a ton, but man, you feel like
Speaker 2: you get to know him seeing the clips on the sideline,
Speaker 2: seeing the highlight reels.
Speaker 1: The workout tapes. I mean we were just before the show.
Speaker 5: We were taking a look.
Speaker 2: At the his been for reps at the combine and
Speaker 2: just how special he was as an athlete.
Speaker 5: And that's one of my first memories football. That's one
Speaker 5: of my first football memories because I didn't watch a
Speaker 5: lot of football growing up. I wasn't a football player
Speaker 5: primarily until I was thirteen. But you were more into badminton. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 5: badminton pick a ball. But I remember watching that because
Speaker 5: I like the skills competition. I'm like, this is competition.
Speaker 5: I'm watched this. I remember seeing him lift that weight
Speaker 5: and I'm like, bro, I don't know how much weight
Speaker 5: that is, but this dude is moving that like it's
Speaker 5: a tooth pick right now, and he's just a mountain
Speaker 5: of a man. And you just hearing the stories of
Speaker 5: how this dude you uhould throw guys around in One
Speaker 5: of my ex teammates, Tank Johnson, posted on his social
Speaker 5: media page yesterday about you know, his first time playing
Speaker 5: against Larry Island and how he watched the film and
Speaker 5: was it was shook to play him and if you
Speaker 5: know Tank, Tank doesn't really get scared, so for him
Speaker 5: to say that, and then he gets in there and
Speaker 5: and cracks a joke like please don't hurt me, man,
Speaker 5: and like Larry just smiles at him. It's just cool
Speaker 5: to hear these stories. Speaking with Nate yesterday, you know,
Speaker 5: I've checked in on Nate just to you know, see
Speaker 5: how he was doing. And Nate was just, you know,
Speaker 5: Nate being positive. He's like, man, I'm just choosing to
Speaker 5: remember the good times.
Speaker 1: And Brad Sham said it this morning.
Speaker 2: I was listening on the way into the Flagship one
Speaker 2: O five through the fan and he was saying on
Speaker 2: the Sean and RJ show about he was just he
Speaker 2: was so feared.
Speaker 1: From a front seven standpoint.
Speaker 2: He's like, you would have these guys that were uber confident, overconfident,
Speaker 2: strongest men in all of football, and then they would
Speaker 2: go up against Larry Allen and they would just run away.
Speaker 2: It would cower at the fact that Larry Allen was
Speaker 2: coming his direction and working that direction.
Speaker 1: So it really was.
Speaker 2: He was an unbelievable player. And even though of course
Speaker 2: I was limited in my time of getting to see
Speaker 2: Larry Allen you just know. Man, He's a legend and
Speaker 2: he will always be remembered around this building. Also, it's
Speaker 2: a good reminder to everybody out there, check up on
Speaker 2: your friends, check out up on everybody, just because you
Speaker 2: never know, You never know when something like this can happen.
Speaker 1: He was fifty two, he was on vacation with his family.
Speaker 2: Things happened quick and out of the blue all the time,
Speaker 2: and so you never want to.
Speaker 1: Leave anything at any page unturned or turned. All the
Speaker 1: waves while they're still still here, no doubt, No doubt.
Speaker 3: Emma Smith even had a very tearful video he posted
Speaker 3: on social which is hard to watch, but I mean
Speaker 3: still a tribute to to a very special person, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, Larry Allen, the legend, Larry Allen passing
Speaker 2: away at age fifty two. All right, when we come
Speaker 2: back from the other side of the break, I need
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Speaker 2: I want to since this is our final off season episode,
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Speaker 2: all these different things as kind of a Hodgepodge off
Speaker 2: Season for Dummies segment coming up next to just set
Speaker 2: everybody up for training camp, and then we've got a
Speaker 2: training camp preview in the final segment when we come
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Speaker 1: To be Nick Harris. I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: All right, I've been gone for the last month and
Speaker 2: a half, almost two months.
Speaker 1: I need you guys to catch me up on a
Speaker 1: little Cowboys off season. So this is our off season
Speaker 1: for dummies.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: By the way, twenty five million dollars of dead cap
Speaker 2: eight point five Kirk Cousins in Minnesota based off of
Speaker 2: our segment, last segment conversation about Ceedee Lamb. So they
Speaker 2: paid him even with some significant cap number, not to
Speaker 2: mention the Daniel Hunter, not to mention Marcus Davenport and
Speaker 2: a couple other dead money contracts at the Vikings had
Speaker 2: to navigate around, all right, I'm going to start.
Speaker 1: With draft class. Draft class overview. Of course, Tyler Guidon
Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma was the first round pick you traded back,
Speaker 1: and you take an opportunity to take a swing at
Speaker 1: some offensive linemen.
Speaker 2: With both Tyler Geiton and Cooper b B out of
Speaker 2: Kansas State, I want to start there. What's the expectation
Speaker 2: for this draft class. What do they need to show
Speaker 2: you this offseason to provide some hope going into a.
Speaker 1: Brand new season.
Speaker 5: Physicality, physicality, and consistency. I think you have to bring
Speaker 5: an attitude to this offensive line that has, in totality
Speaker 5: I feel like has been missing. Not to say that again,
Speaker 5: I say in totality because I don't think that as
Speaker 5: a unit they have been feared for some time now.
Speaker 5: I would like to see this offensive unit be feared.
Speaker 5: And I think that the addition of big Cooper BB
Speaker 5: at the center position to see him more than I
Speaker 5: am about anybody else in this draft. Tyler guid and
Speaker 5: obviously a big big fail to move it over to
Speaker 5: the left side and going to see what he can
Speaker 5: produce over there. Hopefully he can be stout. He's gonna
Speaker 5: have a nice little introduction to the NFL. In Week one,
Speaker 5: so we'll see how that goes from between now and then.
Speaker 5: But if these guys can assert themselves as a as
Speaker 5: a unit, not as individuals, but as a unit, and
Speaker 5: they can work in symmetry with each other and be
Speaker 5: a road grader to the point where the Cowboys can
Speaker 5: feel confident enough to run the ball and get three
Speaker 5: to four yards a pop every single time with with
Speaker 5: any running back. I think that this team is a
Speaker 5: complete problem on the offense side of the ball. But
Speaker 5: that's what I'm looking for from this draft class, specifically
Speaker 5: on the offense side.
Speaker 3: I think you're looking for a chip on their shoulder,
Speaker 3: and I think definitely Cooper BB has that.
Speaker 4: Being drafted in the third round.
Speaker 3: Granted, deep was a first round grade for a lot
Speaker 3: of people, and I think he's kind of become.
Speaker 4: The overall favorite of the draft, if.
Speaker 3: That makes sense, because of the value that you picked
Speaker 3: him at. I want to see attitude from the offensive line.
Speaker 3: I think it is a complete overhaul. Then that was
Speaker 3: clearly the cow was objective going into the draft. It's like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's remake this offensive line. You lose your center,
Speaker 3: you lose some depth, and I think it just makes
Speaker 3: sense to me that you completely go in with a
Speaker 3: new mindset of like we're going to mal people, We're
Speaker 3: going to get them out of the way for whoever
Speaker 3: is running the football. I'm also really looking forward to
Speaker 3: Marris Lufou. I really want to see how he contributes
Speaker 3: on special teams. Granted we have a new special team,
Speaker 3: we have a new kickoff rules and everything, so I
Speaker 3: want to see how he impacts there and then hopefully,
Speaker 3: you know, gets on the field as well.
Speaker 4: On defense. So there's a lot of hope. I'm on
Speaker 4: my end.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm a Homer by heart, so it's going
Speaker 3: to be hard to kind of dissuade me from this
Speaker 3: drift class until I see otherwise.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in Lui Foul because whenever that pick was made,
Speaker 2: I mean that was a third round pick, late third
Speaker 2: round pick, and I had a late fourth round pick
Speaker 2: on him or great on him. I wasn't excited about
Speaker 2: it then, But then hearing the plan that Mike Zimmer
Speaker 2: has for Lui Foul, I think kind of turned the
Speaker 2: tidele a little bit for me. And that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2: I am I'm positive, just by nature in my own
Speaker 2: right that doesn't always happen whenever, especially when it comes
Speaker 2: to the draft, because I've got a pretty good idea
Speaker 2: at least watching these guys, how I feel like they'll
Speaker 2: they'll fare.
Speaker 1: Of course, Sweep been around before, Lui Fowl with his ability.
Speaker 2: To blitz and go downhill and play in between the
Speaker 2: tackles and fine holes like he did when you go
Speaker 2: back and you watch him at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: He did it a couple of times, but he didn't
Speaker 1: do it all the time.
Speaker 2: If that's his role, I think he would have some success,
Speaker 2: and so I think there's some excitement there. I was
Speaker 2: really excited about the Marshawn Neelan pick in the second round,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Which is a surprise for everybody. I think it was
Speaker 1: a surprise that he was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people had him as a late
Speaker 2: first early second round pick, and he was there.
Speaker 1: Dallas didn't need edge rusher, but we've.
Speaker 2: Gotten onto this front office before for window dressing their
Speaker 2: board and only getting needs. That's what got them in
Speaker 2: trouble with the twenty twenty three class. If you in
Speaker 2: the second round, Luke Scoommaker, you needed a tight end,
Speaker 2: you went and got one.
Speaker 1: They didn't do that. They said, hey, who's the best
Speaker 1: player on our board. Here's this Marshawn Neeland cat. He's
Speaker 1: pretty good. We got to know him at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: we got to see him at the Combine. He was
Speaker 1: phenomenal in.
Speaker 2: Both instances out of Western Michigan. Let's make it right,
Speaker 2: let's pick it and let it.
Speaker 1: Ride and see what happens. And so I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what he does.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to have some success in training camp,
Speaker 2: probably turned some heads. Plus, I think it puts some
Speaker 2: pressure on Sam Williams, another former second round pick. That
Speaker 2: one might have been a little bit of a pigeon
Speaker 2: hole where they needed an edge rusher in that class
Speaker 2: and they went with Sam Williams, who they loved, by
Speaker 2: the way, But now it puts pressure on him because
Speaker 2: it's win or go home in that position battle. That's
Speaker 2: one of the ones I'll be keeping an eye on
Speaker 2: whenever we get deeper. But we've heard about the draft
Speaker 2: class quite a bit. Let's talk about some of these
Speaker 2: free agent additions very quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be a quick one two three B
Speaker 2: band bang, because that's about as much as they've they've added.
Speaker 2: Eric Kendricks at middle linebackers probably the number one contributing
Speaker 2: factor probably, but it's got to be uh, Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 2: comes back. Course, that's an interesting one. That's more of
Speaker 2: maybe a name and then a running back by committee approach.
Speaker 2: But uh, out of those two, who do you feel
Speaker 2: like plays the biggest role, Kendricks or Zeke? And I
Speaker 2: asked that in a legitimate way because I think Zeke
Speaker 2: has to carry the football significantly in order to be
Speaker 2: on this team.
Speaker 5: I believe that Kendricks is essential to the success of
Speaker 5: this defense just from a standpoint of being able to
Speaker 5: relay in quarterback what the new defensive quarter of Mike
Speaker 5: Zimmer wants. I think it's important to have a confident,
Speaker 5: calm voice on the field that's able to relay that information,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying in an effective way. I
Speaker 5: think offensive translator. Yes, yeah, and just like hey, like
Speaker 5: get over, you're in the wrong gap, or I guess
Speaker 5: I need you and I need you in this shade
Speaker 5: or whatever it might be. Like just little things like that,
Speaker 5: having that confidence there instead of just kind of hoping
Speaker 5: that you're making the right decision. Yeah. So I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be important from a standpoint, and I honestly
Speaker 5: think that it's more important to Dak that Zeke is
Speaker 5: here than it is for Zeke to be here for
Speaker 5: the rest of the team. And people might think that
Speaker 5: I'm crazy, but I think for what situation Dak is in,
Speaker 5: I think it is very reassuring for him to have
Speaker 5: his sidekick with him, to have his best friend with him. Yeah,
Speaker 5: having your man right there one hundred grand, sitting back
Speaker 5: behind you or sitting right next to you in the
Speaker 5: gun and knowing that he has your back, knowing when
Speaker 5: you might be getting flustered or might be getting you know,
Speaker 5: whatever's going on in your head, being able to tap
Speaker 5: you be like you're good, I got you, calming the
Speaker 5: seas for him, I think it's more for Dak's mental
Speaker 5: and his the calmness of him going through this season,
Speaker 5: playing in his last year. As we now see kinda
Speaker 5: has come to fruition. Then it is as effective for
Speaker 5: Zeke to be a contributor in the running game. I
Speaker 5: know a lot of people are looking to him for that,
Speaker 5: and obviously that's going to be that's his job, but
Speaker 5: I think it's he'll have a greater impact on Dak
Speaker 5: than he'll have in a running game.
Speaker 7: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I agree. I actually agree with that quite a bit.
Speaker 2: The past protection side of things, I think he will
Speaker 2: have a significant impact. He can still block, like yeah,
Speaker 2: let's not get it wrong, Like he can still get
Speaker 2: up there and protect Dak in a sense. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think even based off of the mental and physical side,
Speaker 2: Zeke is there to help Dac out. Do you think
Speaker 2: he's going to carry the ball more than these other
Speaker 2: running back It's like Rico Daudele or even a Royce
Speaker 2: Freeman who was another edition in the off season, probably
Speaker 2: about the same.
Speaker 1: They'll share, share those carries, similar workloads, opportunity for duce
Speaker 1: Van maybe to get a carrier too. He's got to
Speaker 1: show out in training camp significantly.
Speaker 5: I think Freeman's your your workhorse.
Speaker 1: You think, even your short yard guy. I think he
Speaker 1: could beat that shortyard guy.
Speaker 4: I think with Zeke, you're looking at a different difference.
Speaker 3: Zeke you can't expect you know, uh, twenty sixteen hurdling, Yeah,
Speaker 3: sixty yard run, you know, and especially if you saw
Speaker 3: him at all in New England, he's running tough and
Speaker 3: I think with this what we just talked about, this
Speaker 3: New look offensive line. I think they're gonna pound people
Speaker 3: into the ground. I really really do. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the hope. That's the hope, um again, but part of
Speaker 3: me feels like it's just gonna be a bowling ball
Speaker 3: situation where you're just gonna keep inching your way down
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 4: And for now, the short yardage isn't cute anymore.
Speaker 3: You know exactly that we're gonna run in the red
Speaker 3: zone and it's gonna be Zeke. Yeah, I have high expectations,
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm cautiously optimistic when it comes to Zeke.
Speaker 3: But I do think he's going to contribute more to
Speaker 3: this team this year than Eric Hendricks will.
Speaker 1: I like the way that you put it.
Speaker 2: It's a different contributed to distribution, different build different Z differency.
Speaker 4: It's like Freezer and Cell like upgrading and Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It is unfortunate, and I think there's there's a significant
Speaker 2: overreaction by certain parts of the fan base about this
Speaker 2: offseason and the lack of movement, because.
Speaker 1: On paper, this is still a really good team.
Speaker 2: You've got all these all pros, You've got significant contributors
Speaker 2: at each level of your offense and each level of
Speaker 2: your defense. Are you a complete team? I think you're close.
Speaker 2: Are you a better team on paper this year than
Speaker 2: you were last year? I don't think I can say that.
Speaker 2: I don't think after this offseason. So I think there's
Speaker 2: a significant portion of overreaction but also a significant portion
Speaker 2: of criticism that needs to be placed on this offseason
Speaker 2: because we just mentioned all three of the outside signings.
Speaker 2: Zeenkil Elliott, who you bring back for a homecoming, Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 2: who is a veteran who you expect to have some
Speaker 2: significant impact. He's probably Stefan Gilmour of the linebacker corps.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what he was last or what Stefan
Speaker 2: Gilmour was to the corners last year, that's what Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 1: Is this year to the linebackers. And then you bring
Speaker 1: in Royce Freeiman to be.
Speaker 2: A running back by committee contributor. So you haven't done
Speaker 2: anything in this offseason, but you look around and you
Speaker 2: still have Michael Parsons, you still have Cdee Lamb, you
Speaker 2: get Trayvon Dicks back, you have Deron Bland. You have
Speaker 2: one of the best special teams units in all of football.
Speaker 2: In a year where special teams is going to be significant.
Speaker 2: And you've got a quarterback who was second in MVP
Speaker 2: voting and has been better and better every year. He's
Speaker 2: been healthy through an entire offseason, and last time I checked,
Speaker 2: Dak has been healthy all off season. So I think
Speaker 2: there's ways you can be optimistic and ways you can
Speaker 2: be critical critical of this offseason. But there's at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you still got to produce, and
Speaker 2: this team hasn't done that in the playoffs yet, so
Speaker 2: I get the criticism.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: There have been some changes though, from a coaching staff standpoint,
Speaker 2: coaches that have come in and completely flipped the script,
Speaker 2: mostly on the defensive side of the football. Defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: of course, Mike Zimmer. We mentioned him already. Greg Gillis
Speaker 2: is in here. Yeah, ge baby, it's been fun seeing
Speaker 2: him around the building.
Speaker 5: Have you haven't loved it to him yet? No, that's
Speaker 5: my due.
Speaker 1: He's down there every once in a while. He's always
Speaker 1: just so good to talk to.
Speaker 2: Christian garcia Is, Paul Gunther, There's a couple of other guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, Al Harris is back, which is great. I
Speaker 2: think having him back is a significant one. And then
Speaker 2: defensive line coach Jeff Sigonia was also an addition the house.
Speaker 1: I think this is probably this is an all.
Speaker 2: Encompassing answer, not just the new coaches or question, not
Speaker 2: just the new coaches. Which coach is under the most
Speaker 2: pressure this year to produce produce from a unit standpoint,
Speaker 2: an individual standpoint, or a team standpoint.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Zimmer out of this because I feel
Speaker 5: like that's unfair.
Speaker 4: It doesn't even count.
Speaker 5: I mean, but I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Zimmer is the answer though.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I think well, I think Zimmer is the
Speaker 5: most prominent in terms of the magnifying glasses on him,
Speaker 5: because he's over all these coaches right in terms of
Speaker 5: the defense side of the ball. So I'm gonna, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna remove him from the equation. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go straight to Jeffson going now, you prob pernous the
Speaker 5: last name I think, so, all right, So I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go to the defensive line coach. Okay, I believe that
Speaker 5: he has the most on him outside of Zimmer, simply
Speaker 5: because of the fact he is being tasked with making
Speaker 5: this defensive line be stout and stop the run. Once again,
Speaker 5: the conversation is presenting its ugly ahead, and I don't
Speaker 5: think that he has the personnel on the interior defensive
Speaker 5: line to do what he wants to do. So it's
Speaker 5: gonna be interesting to see how he gets production out
Speaker 5: of guys that we've been looking for production. How does
Speaker 5: he get that out of them? Right? How do you
Speaker 5: pull that out of guys? How do you pull production
Speaker 5: out of Mazzie Smith coming off of being underweight, coming
Speaker 5: off of shoulder surgery. Right, everybody's looking at his weight
Speaker 5: right now and questioning, what's kind of hard to come
Speaker 5: from somebody who had three shoulder surgeries. It's kind of
Speaker 5: hard to gain weight when you're trying to even be
Speaker 5: able to lift weight. So I mean, so we have
Speaker 5: to wait and see what he reports. It's a camp at,
Speaker 5: But how do you get production out of guys who
Speaker 5: have been underwhelming in some sense? And then how do
Speaker 5: you connect with guys with your style of coaching that
Speaker 5: might not be receptive to that style of coaching? You know,
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of things that take place by
Speaker 5: replacing a coach. So I think that it's gonna be
Speaker 5: very interesting from his dynamic because he doesn't seem like
Speaker 5: one that's going to change his style. How do guys
Speaker 5: adapt to his coaching style and how does he pull
Speaker 5: greatness out of guys who have shown flashes of it
Speaker 5: in the past.
Speaker 3: I think the easy answer would be Mike McCarthy because
Speaker 3: everything is on the line for him the final year
Speaker 3: of his contract. You also have to look at Brian
Speaker 3: Schottenhummer two. I think because of how this offense sort
Speaker 3: of skidded the first five games up until the Chargers game.
Speaker 3: I think it was when they finally got rolling that
Speaker 3: Installing that new offense is one thing, but carrying that
Speaker 3: success over now that you I mean, granted, do you
Speaker 3: have a new running back, but you have a lot
Speaker 3: of the same pieces in place on the offensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball. How does that translate now that it's
Speaker 3: been installed for a full year? Do you get up
Speaker 3: and running right away going into year two of this offense?
Speaker 3: And granted it's the last season on Mike McCarthy's contract, it's.
Speaker 1: A good point.
Speaker 4: All the pressure's there.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think that's the easy answer.
Speaker 2: I'll throw one other name in there. I'll say Scott
Speaker 2: McCurry as linebackers coach. I think linebacker has been a
Speaker 2: question mark, mostly due to injuries, and he hasn't had
Speaker 2: a whole lot to work with because of injuries and
Speaker 2: depth at that position, and they didn't necessarily address a
Speaker 2: whole lot this year, So now it's kind of on
Speaker 2: Scott McCurley. Of course falls underneath the Zimmer umbrella as well,
Speaker 2: but they've got to get something out of this linebacker corps.
Speaker 2: They've got to get some sort of consistency out of
Speaker 2: these players in order to be successful defensively.
Speaker 1: So I'll throw him into the mix.
Speaker 2: But the guys that you mentioned, I think I'll have
Speaker 2: some level of pressure.
Speaker 1: Every coach has some level pressure.
Speaker 3: This whole team. There's pressure on all everybody. He could
Speaker 3: blow up, and it's.
Speaker 5: Pressure on everybody because if the hit coach is not retained,
Speaker 5: who's saying exactly. Nobody's job is saying yeah, no.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four upcoming schedule the last of the four
Speaker 2: pillars of the Cowboys offseason. We hit draft class, free agency,
Speaker 2: coaching changes, and then now twenty twenty four upcoming schedule.
Speaker 1: I don't want to list the whole schedule here. You
Speaker 1: can go on Dallas Cowboys dot com to find it.
Speaker 1: What is the toughest part of the schedulesh that early.
Speaker 3: Half that you have the Browns, soon after that, Ravens Steeler,
Speaker 3: There's Lions. You know that, that whole that that run
Speaker 3: there is going to be tough for a playoff team
Speaker 3: a year ago, right or did they just I think
Speaker 3: they did squeak into the playoffs? Ca, Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: think the Browns.
Speaker 1: Browns did not.
Speaker 3: Did they beat him in the first round if I
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, But then again, this isn't talking Browns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you think that's that first part of the
Speaker 1: schedules that Yeah, that.
Speaker 3: First part is rough man, but but everything before the
Speaker 3: bye you have a bye week seven and then you
Speaker 3: just you just have to play the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: after that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Bills beat them in the playoffs. So they
Speaker 1: did make it. Yeah, the Bills beat them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. At first, that first portion of the season is
Speaker 5: is trash. It's terrible, it's it's a it's a lot
Speaker 5: to take on.
Speaker 4: But it's the first portion of the season.
Speaker 5: But it's the first portion of season. But it's not
Speaker 5: like it gets easier, right in terms of where we're
Speaker 5: at today. That eight through eleven is a beast, and
Speaker 5: matter of fact, I'm going to extend it to say
Speaker 5: eight through twelve because I think obviously, coming off the buy,
Speaker 5: you you go straight into forty nine ers, which is
Speaker 5: awesome because you have time to prepare for them. But
Speaker 5: the San Francisco forty nine ers, I think Atlanta's still
Speaker 5: trying to figure things out. But then you got Philly,
Speaker 5: you got a heck of a great Houston Texas team.
Speaker 5: And I think the Washington Commanders, I think they are
Speaker 5: going to present problems for the Dallas Cowboys this year
Speaker 5: as it stands right now. Okay, we'll see how things
Speaker 5: play out, but I foresee Washington being a lot more
Speaker 5: competitive than everybody's giving him credit for. So I know,
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I'm on my own island there.
Speaker 1: I know I like dan Quinn too, but the football and.
Speaker 5: What I hear, he's not just one that one side
Speaker 5: of game.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 1: So it'll be Jade Daniels that'll be throwing the football
Speaker 1: or running it. I mean, either he's a great player.
Speaker 2: I don't get me wrong, He's a good player, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he's He's not that guy.
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you, but I don't I don't
Speaker 5: foresee them being I don't foresee them being the team
Speaker 5: that's gonna be throwing a ball around either. So you're right.
Speaker 5: So I think they're gonna they're gonna try to control
Speaker 5: the ground and then defensively try to add a bunch
Speaker 5: of pressure. But that's that's just my thoughts. But I
Speaker 5: think that outside of that first portion, I think that
Speaker 5: eight through twelve, for me.
Speaker 2: Is is a little little dicey Seven of your first
Speaker 2: No way, I'm gonna go even further. Eight of your
Speaker 2: first ten opponents this year all were in the playoffs
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Brown's, Ravens.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, okay, make it seven of ten. I forgot
Speaker 2: the Giants, Browns, Ravens, Steelers, Lions, forty nine Ers, Eagles, Texans.
Speaker 2: So that seven of your first ten opponents of the
Speaker 2: year we're all playoff teams a year ago. Doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they're gonna be just as good. But you expect the
Speaker 2: Texans to be better? Yes, well, San Francisco is still
Speaker 2: San Francisco. If you know for a certain fact that
Speaker 2: Detroit coming into at and T Stadium, who wants to
Speaker 2: absolutely destroy you.
Speaker 1: And then you've got one for every more down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you've got the Ravens. You're on the road
Speaker 2: against Cleveland and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think the first you're gonna learn a
Speaker 1: lot about this football.
Speaker 2: You are early before, in the first eight six weeks
Speaker 2: of the year before the bye.
Speaker 1: And then first eleven weeks of the year, you're gonna
Speaker 1: know exactly who the Dallas.
Speaker 5: Which one of y'all hit me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna know exactly who this team is.
Speaker 4: And I do agree Isaiah to a certain point.
Speaker 3: I don't know that those are necessarily going to translate
Speaker 3: into wins for Washington, but I think you come out
Speaker 3: of those games pretty beat up. Yeah, they're gonna be
Speaker 3: a tough team, granted with with Dan Quinn coaching them.
Speaker 5: I mean San Francisco, you know obviously, and then you
Speaker 5: played Atlanta, San Francisco, Philly, Houston, those three right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those Houston's gonna that's tough.
Speaker 5: Right, Those three out of four games are really really tough.
Speaker 1: If you think you're getting a break with Atlanta, that's
Speaker 1: not that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Atlanta is going to be high fling offensively. Especially, they're
Speaker 2: gonna be really good. Their defense is going to give
Speaker 2: up points. Yeah, but they're gonna they're gonna shoot you out.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna get in a track meet with Atlanta
Speaker 2: and then have to play Philadelphia, Houston, and then oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, you go on the road and play Washington.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all these teams still got to see CD LAMB.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, you know, hopefully with a new contract.
Speaker 4: All right, I gotta be the positive sciences.
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Speaker 1: Really? Uh?
Speaker 2: The Off Season for Dummies episode is kind of the
Speaker 2: way that I've tabbed this one because I'm the dummy
Speaker 2: that missed the entire offseason and so I need to
Speaker 2: be caught up. But now it's time to look ahead
Speaker 2: training camp preview. Who is under the most pressure going
Speaker 2: into training camp? And I'm gonna stick to a player
Speaker 2: standpoint because we just talked about pressure on coaching staff members,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say pressure player wise going into training camp.
Speaker 3: Josh, I'll start with you, going back to my point
Speaker 3: about Zeke. I think you have to look good running
Speaker 3: the football.
Speaker 4: With this offensive line, I would say your spot is secure,
Speaker 4: of course.
Speaker 3: Man, Like I think if if he doesn't look good
Speaker 3: running the ball, then we just got to start looking
Speaker 3: at Okay, who's who's out there that's gonna be tough, man,
Speaker 3: That's my gut instinct call what about you, guys?
Speaker 1: Am Trey Lance. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have more than his fair share of preseason
Speaker 5: and he's fighting for a number two position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all it's wide open.
Speaker 2: I mean, Cooper Rush doesn't And as much as Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush has had some success as the backup quarterback, he
Speaker 2: doesn't have the safety net of winning those games and
Speaker 2: have the year prior.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have the upside and the youth.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of things in Trey Lance's
Speaker 2: category and the comparison to Dak too.
Speaker 1: I mean they're similar type of players, prototype players.
Speaker 5: They didn't pick up his fifth year option, that's true,
Speaker 5: So I mean he is literally this is his resume.
Speaker 1: That would have been an expensive fifth year option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he knew that was he knew twenty three million.
Speaker 5: But this is his I mean, he's he is putting
Speaker 5: himself out there for the world to see, and he's
Speaker 5: putting himself in a position. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 5: to go on that's going to go on here. Dak
Speaker 5: situation is not settled. Everybody's gonna assume that he's gonna
Speaker 5: get You know that Dallas Cowboys are going to extend
Speaker 5: him or if he balls out this year and then
Speaker 5: they'll resign him. Trey, from his perspective, I got a
Speaker 5: ball out in his preseason with any opportunity that I'm given,
Speaker 5: just in case things don't go great for that, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Hey, I'm here, you know I'm
Speaker 5: seriously that's the situation. That's how he has to approach it.
Speaker 5: If things don't go well for Dak, I'm your guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, that's how he has to mentally approach training camp.
Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, if things do go great
Speaker 5: for Dak, hey goople Rush, I'm taking your spot, bro.
Speaker 5: Like That's that's his mentality coming into the training camp
Speaker 5: and it has to be that way. So I think
Speaker 5: in terms of pressure, there's an expectation of Trey Lance
Speaker 5: now going into this training camp and he gets a
Speaker 5: real training camp with the Dallas Cowboys and it's going
Speaker 5: to be a shootout between him and Cooper Rush and
Speaker 5: his preseason.
Speaker 2: That would be the answer to my next question as well,
Speaker 2: what position battle are you looking forward to the most?
Speaker 2: I think it'd be the backup quarterback battle, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of times where the backup qbs get the
Speaker 2: spotlight at camp because you know Dak is there, you
Speaker 2: know he's the starter, and you know he's going to
Speaker 2: be significant in terms of snaps. But you'd rarely through
Speaker 2: the course of the season get to see the backup quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: get to see everybody else a number of times, but
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season, you don't see the
Speaker 2: battle at all. So this is your one shot to
Speaker 2: look at it, and this is your one shot for
Speaker 2: Trey Lance to try and step up and be that gup.
Speaker 5: Oh, he's in a great position right now.
Speaker 3: I would also say linebacker as far as position positions
Speaker 3: that need to be kind of filled out at training camp.
Speaker 3: But then again, my first training camp last year, it
Speaker 3: was really hard judging line and back player in general.
Speaker 4: It's like, and it's really kind of impossible.
Speaker 2: It's like, linebacker and running back are the two toughest
Speaker 2: to see a training camp because you don't have the
Speaker 2: physicality of either of those positions.
Speaker 3: They're not tackling at all. It's tackling, So it's like,
Speaker 3: it's so hard to judge this. Yes, they're in the
Speaker 3: right spot, but is that a tackle.
Speaker 2: You can see win loss on the defensive line. You
Speaker 2: can see when.
Speaker 5: Tag Duzbine on his hip.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can see win loss between offensive line defensive line.
Speaker 2: You can see wins and losses between wide receivers and dbs.
Speaker 1: And you can see.
Speaker 2: Quarterback play in the right place, right time, right throw,
Speaker 2: right accuracy whatever. Linebacker, I'll throw safety as like a
Speaker 2: half because you can you can be good in coverage
Speaker 2: but then be in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 2: You can still see good safety play, but linebacker and
Speaker 2: running back are the toughest by Farest.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Well, especially with Deuce last year, I think kind of
Speaker 3: thought was like, oh man, this is going to be
Speaker 3: so special, you know what I mean, and not rapp it'.
Speaker 4: It's it's really hard to judge. It's really really hard
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 5: He would have broke that, Oh men't getting the game,
Speaker 5: get thrown out the club.
Speaker 2: And we said it last year on this show. But
Speaker 2: when Deuce was going off in the preseason and he
Speaker 2: was doing everything he did against Jacksonville and against Seattle,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, this guy's the number two running back,
Speaker 2: Like he's.
Speaker 1: He's right behind Tony Pollard.
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, he's doing this against guys that he
Speaker 2: played college against that were late round draft picks.
Speaker 1: In these preseason games where he was an.
Speaker 2: All purpose yards leader in college, He's not doing it
Speaker 2: against the top guys, and when he did it against
Speaker 2: the top guys had a very sliver of opportunity, it
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily he's got a chance.
Speaker 1: To show up. I think he's he's Uh, what could
Speaker 1: be an answer to this next question?
Speaker 5: We even talk about some of the things that he
Speaker 5: has going on right now. What's that about how they're
Speaker 5: how they're working him in that.
Speaker 1: Slot, putting him in the slot.
Speaker 5: That's whatever what I read?
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: A couple couple of positions here and there.
Speaker 2: What would make your confidence level rise after what was
Speaker 2: pretty much a slow off season? What would build your
Speaker 2: confidence in the preseason and in training camp to.
Speaker 5: See a trade for a defense alignment, like a like
Speaker 5: an entire interior defense alignment.
Speaker 4: Okay, that would be what what pick are you willing
Speaker 4: to give up.
Speaker 5: That? I'm not sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, what's what's the trade value you're willing to.
Speaker 5: Part with that? I'm not sure? But right now my
Speaker 5: confidence low in our ability to be able to defend
Speaker 5: interior rent pressure.
Speaker 2: If I'm getting a big time interior defensive lineman starter
Speaker 2: who is a known pass rusher, which don't grow on trees,
Speaker 2: and it's probably not going to be easy to trade for.
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to give up a third round pick,
Speaker 2: like a top one hundred pick.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving coming up. Yeah I would. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give up a first for a second. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. But depending on player, Depending on the player.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any other position group that I
Speaker 5: would be excited about it to say, Hey, Cowboys just
Speaker 5: got substantially better. You got a receiver, okay, cool, another option.
Speaker 5: You got a running back, okay cool? Somebody can tok
Speaker 5: the rock cornerback cool? All you go through all the positions, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm not getting excited about any other positions unless you
Speaker 5: get a big defens alignment. You get a big defense alignment.
Speaker 5: Now I'm like, okay, all right, I see what you're
Speaker 5: all trying to do. Like that that gets me to
Speaker 5: the edge of my seat because of who you're surrounding
Speaker 5: that person around.
Speaker 2: Does that mean you feel okay with where this offensive
Speaker 2: line is now?
Speaker 5: I am waiting to see. I am I am highly anticipating.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of potential, and we use
Speaker 5: that word a lot. But I think with the guys
Speaker 5: that they have acquired, if they can put out right,
Speaker 5: if the big big Cooper in the inside, I think
Speaker 5: having a big physical presence there. Now you know, Tyler
Speaker 5: be Otish, thank you for your for your time, your dedication.
Speaker 5: But Cooper Beebe's a big boy. And if he can
Speaker 5: produce with that size and be a road grader, Oh
Speaker 5: now you're cooking with fire. Because you got big Zach
Speaker 5: on the right, and you got Tyler Smith on the left.
Speaker 5: And if you got if you you can put the
Speaker 5: big fellow out there on the left side. If he
Speaker 5: can go out there a hold down to four and
Speaker 5: use his athleticism and be sound and confident in the
Speaker 5: calm with his feet. Now you got some rolling. Now
Speaker 5: you have something rolling. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: I can't speak to it until they get the pads
Speaker 5: on good point.
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