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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal Inde, we do.

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Speaker 1: We got some big breaking news this morning. Mayor Adams

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Speaker 1: of New York City is indicted. Right now, the charges

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Speaker 1: are sealed. We are awaiting them being unsealed. But we

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Speaker 1: still have a lot of details that we can get

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Speaker 1: into on that. Kamala Harris yesterday made a big economic pitch.

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Speaker 1: She gave a big economic speech in Pittsburgh. She also

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Speaker 1: So you have something to say about that side.

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Speaker 2: Just think I was forced to watch the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: He became salty though, Yes, salt tax did come.

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Speaker 3: Up, right, but no answer, but no answer.

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Speaker 1: low lights, all the lights from that. We're also keeping

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Speaker 1: With that being said, let's go ahead and get into

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Speaker 1: That's pretty late.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, he has been indicted on federal

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Speaker 1: just a moment, but officially the charges are right now sealed.

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Speaker 1: There was also a search by federal agents of Gracie Mansion,

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Speaker 1: the interview we did last week with Ross Barkin breaking

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Speaker 1: They raided the home of his chief fundraiser. And this

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Speaker 1: his administration has been besieged by four different federal investigations.

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Speaker 1: Just in the past number of weeks. He's had four

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Speaker 1: So this is quite significant. This is someone Sager, of course,

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Speaker 1: Of course, all the action in the New York City

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Cynthia Garcia. Something like that was my brain,

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Speaker 1: He ran on this very like fund the police thing,

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Speaker 1: Democratic superstar. They apparently undug much into him, both in

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Speaker 1: is some of his like really bizarre content that he's produced.

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Speaker 1: him saying like, New York City is the Islamabad of America.

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But these are very serious allegations and a

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Speaker 1: even putting aside the corruption, this is one of the

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Speaker 1: points that Ross Barkin made. It's not like he's done

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Speaker 1: a good job as mayor. So it'd be one thing

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Speaker 1: if you had a corrupt mayor. Many big you know,

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Speaker 1: Ross pointed out, there is not one major initiative that

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Speaker 2: There are some other countries we've learned a little bit

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Speaker 2: about this morning that the mayor is emburiled with. But

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, let's look at his response.

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Speaker 2: Very classic, maybe Trumpian. Some might say, yeah, let's take

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Speaker 4: My fellow New york Is it is now my belief

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Speaker 4: that the federal government intends to charge me with crimes.

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Speaker 4: If so, these charges would be entirely false, based on lies,

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Speaker 4: but they would not be surprising. I always knew that

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Speaker 4: if I stood my ground for all of you, that

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Speaker 4: I would be a target, and a target I became.

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Speaker 4: I will fight these injustices with every ounce of my

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Speaker 4: strength and my spirit. If I'm charged, I know I

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Speaker 4: am innocent, I will request in immediate trials so the

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Speaker 4: New Yorkers can hear the truth. I have been facing

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Speaker 4: these lies for months since I began to speak out

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Speaker 4: for all of you, and their investigations started. Yet the

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Speaker 4: city has continued to improve. Make no mistake, you elected

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Speaker 4: me to lead this city, and lead it I will.

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Speaker 4: I humbly ask for your prayers and your patience as

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Speaker 4: we see this through. God Bless you, God bless the

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Speaker 4: City of New York. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. So Adams is now he's

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Speaker 2: a Republican. He's basically like, because I courageously spoke out

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Speaker 2: Probably a little bit inconvenient that the investigation probably long

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Speaker 2: predates a lot of at least the migrant situation in

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Speaker 2: That the mayor's dealings with those fine countries are also criminated.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say he is an equal opportunity, He's

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Speaker 2: equal opportunity corrupt allegedly for the lawyers, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I almost have to respect that now, as you said,

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Speaker 2: he is the first mayor to be federally indicted while

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Speaker 3: Have been indicted. But this will be very.

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Speaker 2: Interesting for a variety of reasons, because I think what

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Speaker 2: it comes down to with Eric Adams is not just

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Speaker 2: the far violations that they seem to be exploring here,

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Speaker 2: and the allegation specifically is that they funneled money not

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Speaker 2: because FEC law is so iron glad that if you

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Speaker 2: to that regard, you're dead. You know, in a federal court,

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Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to beat a charge like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing, the weird thing about FEC laws is that,

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Speaker 1: follow the available loopholes, you can do almost anything you want.

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Speaker 1: One of the red lines is foreign government, oh cash,

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's you know, and of course is

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Speaker 1: to be governed by New York State laws and New

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Speaker 1: York City regulations as well. These are federal criminal violations

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about here. Pharah, We've been throwing this

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Speaker 1: term around for Foreign Agent Registration Act. That speaks to

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Speaker 1: the you know, interactions with Turkey and other countries potential

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Speaker 1: allegedly trading campaign contributions for favors for foreign governments. That's

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Speaker 2: Stayed up late last night to watch Kamala Harris on

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Speaker 1: Leola said, state up late and it happened at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: So Stephanie Rules, she has the interview with Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, approximately twenty five minutes. The focus of

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Speaker 2: This was about a softball as it gets, with some

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Speaker 1: They knew that Kamlak could get away with dodging almost

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Speaker 1: do when they're dodging question is not just like from

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Speaker 1: the outside avoid answering it. Bill did give some quick

438
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Speaker 1: nod to an answer, and then they'll move into what

439
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Speaker 1: it is they want to say right like you could

440
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Speaker 1: say at the beginning of that listen, he's a businessman,

441
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Speaker 1: and I get it. People just instinctively think that that

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Speaker 1: makes you good on the economy. But here's why they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. And those are the sorts

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Speaker 1: of things that someone who's a little bit quicker on

445
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Speaker 1: their feet and a little more comfortable in these situations

446
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Speaker 1: can pull off. And that's why they're very careful about

447
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Speaker 1: who they put her on with and how often they

448
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Speaker 1: put her out, because if you did have an adversarial interview,

449
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Speaker 1: obviously they're going to follow up. Obviously they're going to

450
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Speaker 1: try to hold your feet to the fire. Okay, well

451
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Speaker 1: what about salt? You didn't answer my question? Well, why

452
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Speaker 1: do you think it? Okay, that may be fine. You

453
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Speaker 1: may think you're better than Donald Trump. The voters right

454
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Speaker 1: now don't agree. So you didn't answer, you know why

455
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Speaker 1: you think that that is. But she knew that, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: on MSNBC, with any of the host on MSNBC, she

457
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to get that, and so she was able

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Speaker 1: to just kind of go through her talking points and

459
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Speaker 1: so overall, like she did find in this interview, there

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Speaker 1: were no catastrophes because it was a comfortable landscape on

461
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Speaker 1: you know, turf for her to operate on. One of

462
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Speaker 1: the things I'll say about the media strategy is it

463
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Speaker 1: is a little perplexing why given that it's pretty clear

464
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Speaker 1: the number one issue that voters have the voters you're

465
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Speaker 1: still undecided. The biggest issue they have with her is

466
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Speaker 1: they're still not totally sure what she's going to do.

467
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Speaker 1: So you would think it'd be like Okay, if you're

468
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Speaker 1: not comfortable with, at least put Tim Walls out there.

469
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Speaker 1: Like every day on cable news. He's comfortable in these settings,

470
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Speaker 1: day after day after day saying here's our top through ride.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be housing, it's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: told tax credit, it's going to be the small business

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Speaker 1: and whatever. There's three like things they want to hit

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Speaker 1: again and again and again. I don't know why they

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Speaker 1: don't do that, at least with Tim Walls, Like I

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Speaker 1: kind of get it with Kambloa because they're just nervous

477
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Speaker 1: that she's going to screw it up and she why right,

478
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Speaker 1: But to me, that's strategy. It's way too cautious. And

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Speaker 1: then it makes all of these settings so much higher

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Speaker 1: stakes for her When she does actually give an interview,

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Speaker 1: even with a friendline.

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Speaker 2: The entire media was watching this interview. Why because there's

483
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Speaker 2: not that many interviews. So that's the risk, is that

484
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Speaker 2: Trump does the flood the zone strategy. He's constantly even

485
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Speaker 2: though he's doing way less rallies and all these other

486
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Speaker 2: things than previously, he still does a decent number of rallies.

487
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Speaker 2: Last night, he actually made major news on Ukraine in

488
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Speaker 2: his speech. My point is only just that people are

489
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Speaker 2: not glued to the screen every single time Trump talks

490
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Speaker 2: because he Trunk's Trump talks a lot more than her

491
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Speaker 2: on average, and will eventually do media, press conferences and

492
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Speaker 2: all that. With Kamala, she's the one where you it's

493
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Speaker 2: a self inflicted wound when you set upset piece events

494
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Speaker 2: and it just goes okay. And that's kind of how

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Speaker 2: I would characterize this. I think it was okay. But

496
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Speaker 2: if the number one reason that these uncommitted voters are

497
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Speaker 2: wondering should I vote for you or not, a lot

498
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Speaker 2: of it comes down to policy and actually answering questions,

499
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Speaker 2: feeling you have command.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't get a lot of.

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Speaker 2: That, especially if we look at the specifics on some

502
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Speaker 2: of her flagship proposals.

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Speaker 3: She has a few memorized.

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Speaker 2: She's like twenty four thousand dollars down payment, assistant's fifty

505
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars small bills, but then Stephanie rules like, so

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Speaker 2: what about the salt deduction? Nope, we're not talking about that.

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Speaker 2: On taxes, she does that totally vague thing where she's

508
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Speaker 2: just like nobody under four hundred thousand dollars a year

509
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Speaker 2: will have their taxes raised, and like, well, what does

510
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Speaker 2: that mean, Like, do you mean you're going to increase

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Speaker 2: the individual rate over four hundred thousand? Does that mean

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Speaker 2: you're actually she said, one hundred million Americans will get

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Speaker 2: a tax cut.

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Speaker 3: Well a tax cut?

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Speaker 2: How how from the TCAJA, which specifically do you think

516
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Speaker 2: you want to do? On the manufacturing stuff, she's like, again, tariffs,

517
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Speaker 2: but she's very pro building American manufacturing. Like, wow, that's

518
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Speaker 2: pretty you know, it doesn't really work out. And actually,

519
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Speaker 2: even Stephanie Rule was like, come on, even Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: has kept a lot of tariffs and increased tariffs while

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Speaker 2: he's in office. So there's a lot of weird like

522
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Speaker 2: ideology does not mix. There's a lot of talking points.

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Speaker 2: I saw some of that in the price control answer,

524
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Speaker 2: where again basically zero specifics on any of this. It

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Speaker 2: was a lot of just righteous indignation, which is fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you're a politician, but I still think

527
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Speaker 2: Americans are asking you for something. So just to show you,

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Speaker 2: this is what she had to say.

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Speaker 5: But a serious problem over the last few years has

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Speaker 5: been inflation. Luckily it's cooling, but prices are still hot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: You've said, you want to take this on by going

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Speaker 5: after those who engage in price gouging. But as somebody

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Speaker 5: who supports free markets, who's a capitalist, how do you

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Speaker 5: go after price gouging without implementing price controls Because once

536
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Speaker 5: we get in the zone, people start to get worried

537
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Speaker 5: and they say, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what she's stands for.

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Speaker 6: So, just to be very frank, I am never going

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Speaker 6: to apologize for going after companies and corporations that take

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Speaker 6: advantage of the desperation of the American people. And as

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Speaker 6: Attorney General, I saw this happen in the midst of

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Speaker 6: an emergency, whether it be an extreme weather event or

544
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Speaker 6: even the pandemic. We saw it where those few companies,

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Speaker 6: not the majority, not most, but those few companies that

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Speaker 6: would take advantage of the desperation of people and jack

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Speaker 6: up prices. Yeah, I'm going to go after them. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to go after them. And that is part

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Speaker 6: of a much more comprehensive plan on what we can

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Speaker 6: do to bring down the cost of living, including housing,

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Speaker 6: including the everyday needs of the American people.

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Speaker 2: So what did you think of that, Crystal, Because the

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Speaker 2: way I would answer that question is when a lot

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Speaker 2: of undecided voters say that I think you're too liberal,

555
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Speaker 2: and somebody tease it up for you. She should have

556
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Speaker 2: said something like, do you think Arkansas or socialists? Because

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Speaker 2: they have priceuging laws that are on the books, and

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Speaker 2: that is the framework that I will use to make

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Speaker 2: sure that people pay less at their grocery store.

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Speaker 3: This was just I don't know, there was just there's

561
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Speaker 3: nothing going on there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, your answer is good, but to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I thought this was a great answer because

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Speaker 1: normally I would expect her to kind of back down, Oh,

565
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Speaker 1: we'll let you know I'm free market and do the

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Speaker 1: whole leg Oh and Dick Cheney endorse made out socialists.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that speech.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought that this was a fantastic answer. It

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Speaker 1: was like, because Stephanie Rule is like CNBC on MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: very closely like Wall Street a line. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys are remember she this whole like she

572
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Speaker 1: was so mad at Joe Biden for going after Park

573
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Speaker 1: Avenue in one speech where he sounded some populous notes

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Speaker 1: like that's her, that's her orientation. So I was worried

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Speaker 1: in this interview that Kamala would be looking too much

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Speaker 1: to cater to that Wall Street orientation. And this answer,

577
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Speaker 1: while yes, vegue and as like someone who's wonky and

578
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Speaker 1: wants to know the specifics, etc. Doesn't get into that whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: But as a political answer, I actually thought it was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to back down. I'm not going to

581
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Speaker 1: be called when people are taking advantage of the American people,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go after them. I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: tough on them. That's what I did as Attorney General.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's not even like really a left

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Speaker 1: right thing. It's more of just like squarely leaning into

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Speaker 1: a populist orientation. So personally I thought this was one

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Speaker 1: of her better answers.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, Yeah, I don't know. I just keep

589
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Speaker 2: coming back. I understand where you're coming from. The more

590
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Speaker 2: that I look at that and people are like, I

591
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Speaker 2: think you're too liberal, I do think that this and

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Speaker 2: the Dick Cheney stuff, I don't think that that works

593
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Speaker 2: for the whole. I think you're too liberal. That's not

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Speaker 2: something that people who are concerned about that are. What

595
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Speaker 2: they're kind of looking at is probably both cultural and

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Speaker 2: I think that the Arkansas framework or even some sort

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Speaker 2: of specifics you could allay those concerns. She did show

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Speaker 2: a lot of ideological flexibility in her speech. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if you caught that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and we'll get to that in a

601
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Speaker 1: little bit, But this answer would pull it like eighty

602
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Speaker 1: percent sure. I mean, if you look at the price gouging,

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Speaker 1: her price gouging policy, it was literally supported by like

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of people. So I don't think people think

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Speaker 1: of this as like a liberal issue. I think they

606
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Speaker 1: see it as like you're standing up for us, You're

607
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Speaker 1: taking on and it's been the case throughout the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Even at the height of inflation, the American people were

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Speaker 1: much more likely to blame greedy corporations than actually the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration was so for me for her to lean

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Speaker 1: into that and actually, you know, put some oof behind

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Speaker 1: it and not back down even in the face of

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Speaker 1: a somewhat adversarial question from Stephanie Rule. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was heartened to see that, and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a great answer. I thought politically, I thought she was

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Speaker 1: on very you know, strong ground there.

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Speaker 2: Sticking with the MSNBC thing, regardless of how maybe one

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Speaker 2: answer or not one reason that they decided to pick

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was or sorry, Stephanie Rule was because literally

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Speaker 2: just days ago she was on Bill mahersh show defending

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Speaker 2: Kamala for not doing interviews, and by the way, after

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Speaker 2: the interview was conducted, gave a glowing spot about how

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Speaker 2: incredible she did in the interview. So just to give

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Speaker 2: you a taste of who the interviewer itself was and

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Speaker 2: what she most recent we said here it is.

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Speaker 7: It's not too much to ask Kamala say, are you

627
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Speaker 7: for a Palestinian state if Hamas is going to run

628
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Speaker 7: that state?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Yes or no?

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Speaker 3: And let's say you don't like her answer. Are you

632
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Speaker 3: going to vote for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not going to vote.

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Speaker 5: Not running for perfect She's running against Trump. We have

635
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Speaker 5: two choices, And so there are some things you might

636
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Speaker 5: not know her answer to.

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Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: Four, unlike twenty sixteen, for a lot of the American people,

639
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Speaker 5: we know exactly what Trump will do, who he is,

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Speaker 5: and the kind of threat he is to democracy.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's unfeared me to be more on the.

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Speaker 8: Problem that a lot of people have with Kamala.

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Speaker 7: Is we don't know her answer to anything.

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Speaker 5: Okay, answer to everything, and.

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Speaker 7: That's why I would never vote for him, and people

647
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 7: should vote for him. But people also are expected to

648
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Speaker 7: have some idea of what the program is of the

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Speaker 7: person you're supposed to vote for. They're just not supposed

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Speaker 7: to say, well, you have to vote for why because

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Speaker 7: X is this, that and the other.

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Speaker 3: Let's find out a little bit more.

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Speaker 7: And I don't think it's a lot to ask her

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Speaker 7: to sit down for a real interview as opposed to

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Speaker 7: a pump case in which she describes like her feelings

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Speaker 7: of growing up and openated, nice laws.

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Speaker 5: Then I would just say to that, when you moved

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Speaker 5: to Nirvana, give me your real estate broker's number and

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Speaker 5: I'll be your next door enable.

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Speaker 3: We don't live there, so there's your taste.

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Speaker 2: Basically, not only does she openly support Kamala Harris, she

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Speaker 2: was defending her for not doing interviews and for not

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Speaker 2: having specifics.

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Speaker 1: The best part, that's so embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: That's humiliating.

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Speaker 2: The best part, Crystal is that afterwards there was this

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Speaker 2: weird after the interview aired, Stephanie was on with Chris Hayes,

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Speaker 2: and of course I stayed up. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll keep watching this and she was like, you know

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Speaker 2: what you had there. It was a real interview. It

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Speaker 2: was a normal interview.

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Speaker 3: If you're worried about taxes, you got your answer right there.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, you didn't. Saying I won't raise.

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Speaker 2: Your taxes under foreign k is the most meaningless sentence in.

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Speaker 3: All of politics.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden said that I'm pretty sure Donald Trump has

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Speaker 2: said something a version of that.

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Speaker 3: Why should I believe you? What are you even talking about?

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Speaker 2: So for her, in particular, to be a financial journalist

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Speaker 2: whose entire.

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Speaker 3: Job is literally about the specifics and.

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Speaker 2: All this, to have done this spot and then get

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Speaker 2: the interview confirmed with you what two days later, that's humiliating.

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Speaker 2: And it's also humiliating for the network because they were

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Speaker 2: touting this as like some big newsmaking event, and I

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Speaker 2: was like.

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Speaker 3: This, this is ridiculous. This is the whole thing is

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Speaker 3: a farce.

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, if you're just a political analyst and

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Speaker 1: you're saying, you know what, I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: voters really care that much about like the white paper

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Speaker 1: on policies, that's fine. You know what, that might be true.

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Speaker 1: That might be true.

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Speaker 3: If you're Quentin Tarantino, that's fine, right.

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Speaker 1: Although I do think that she's not even really right

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Speaker 1: on that, because there is still this lingering sense of

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Speaker 1: I really want to know what the priorities are, right,

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Speaker 1: I need to know. It's not even so much about

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Speaker 1: the policy details. It's just like a who are you

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Speaker 1: at your core? What are you going to fight for?

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Speaker 1: What is the Day one agenda? What is it? Really?

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that still needs to be filled in.

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Speaker 1: So I don't even totally agree with the political analysis,

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Speaker 1: but as a journalist, as someone who's supposed to actually

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Speaker 1: care about what are the policies that are going to

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Speaker 1: be enacted? What was it going to mean for business?

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Speaker 1: What is it going to mean for small business? What

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Speaker 1: is it going to mean for regular people? How can

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Speaker 1: you not push to get those answers? Because remember, this

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Speaker 1: isn't someone who went through a primary process where we

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Speaker 1: got to see debates, where she got to be pressed

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Speaker 1: by other would be contenders on a debate stage. None

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Speaker 1: of that happened. So all we have are these little

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Speaker 1: glimpses of whatever it is they're gonna, you know, they

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Speaker 1: deign to give us, And those answers can end up

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Speaker 1: being very consequential if she is actually elected president, even

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Speaker 1: if it isn't what everybody in the country is, you know,

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Speaker 1: checking off their list. The Stephanie Rule talks about it

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Speaker 1: at the end of that video. If you keep going

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Speaker 1: even if it's not that you know. A student debt

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Speaker 1: is a perfect example. Biden made certain promises on student

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Speaker 1: debt that once you get an office. Got an office,

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Speaker 1: he clearly did not want to do anything on student debt.

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Speaker 1: But because he had repeatedly promised certain things on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail, activists had a cudgel that they could wield

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Speaker 1: to at least force him to try to do something,

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Speaker 1: and they did alleviate some student debt. Now, he still

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Speaker 1: didn't go as far as his campaign promises, and there's

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Speaker 1: a whole reason, you know, they would blame it on

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. We won't get into all of that,

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Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear to me if he hadn't been

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Speaker 1: forced to make those pledges on the campaign trail, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have done any of it because he clearly didn't

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Speaker 1: want to. So, yeah, it matters that you get her

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Speaker 1: on the record on some key issues so that that

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Speaker 1: can be used if she is president where you can say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you promised to do this. You promised you wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: Why are you proposing this now? And that sort of

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Speaker 1: pressure can actually effectuate some kind of change, So to

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Speaker 1: just like throw up your hands and like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: don't even care. Why should we even try? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the opponent's Donald Trump. It's just it's it's pathetic. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, it's it's embarrassing. And you know, I suspect

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Speaker 1: that this interview with Stephanie Ruhl was probably already in

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Speaker 1: the works before this bill maher appearance happened, But it's

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Speaker 1: illustrative of why she's chosen, right, It's I llustrative of

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Speaker 1: why she's chosen. And then the other reason she's chosen

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Speaker 1: is because Kamala Harris realizes, Okay, I think people who

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Speaker 1: are going to vote on abortion, they already know who

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Speaker 1: they're voting for. People who are going to vote on immigration,

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Speaker 1: they already know who they're voting for. The remaining undecided voters,

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Speaker 1: by and large, serreck. There's exceptions, but by and large

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Speaker 1: is going to be about the economy. She has somewhat

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Speaker 1: closed the gap from where Joe Biden was visa v. Trump.

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Speaker 1: We actually have a Washington Post tear sheet. We can

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Speaker 1: put up. This is a seven guys. So Trump had

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Speaker 1: a twelve point lead over President Biden on who would

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Speaker 1: be better suited to, you know, to handle the economy.

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Speaker 1: He now averages only a six point edge on the economy,

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Speaker 1: which is actually pretty solid for Democratic candidate, especially against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Fox News found fifty one percent writer shared

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Speaker 1: voters favor Trump on the economy, compared with forty six

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Speaker 1: percent who favored Harris. There's a number of other poles

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Speaker 1: a site here that show similar shifts towards her, even

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Speaker 1: though he still holds somewhat of an edge. So the

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Speaker 1: other reason Stephanie Rule gets chosen is because she is

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Speaker 1: a financial journalist. She does have more of an economic focus,

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Speaker 1: and it pairs with this Pittsburgh economic speech that Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris delivered on the same day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Let's get to some of that. Some

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Speaker 3: of that speech.

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Speaker 2: We have one clip of it here on manufacturing.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Now, look my opponent, Donald Trump, Well, he makes big

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Speaker 6: promises on manufacturing. Just yesterday he went out and promised

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Speaker 6: to bring back manufacturing jobs. And if that sounds familiar,

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Speaker 6: it should. In twenty sixteen, he went out and made

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Speaker 6: that very same promise about the Carrier plant in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 6: You'll remember Carrier then offshore hundreds of jobs to Mexico

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Speaker 6: under his watch. And it wasn't just there. On Trump's watch,

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Speaker 6: offshore went up, and manufacturing jobs went down across our

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Speaker 6: country and across our economy. All told, almost two hundred

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Speaker 6: thousand manufacturing jobs were lost during his presidency, starting before

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Speaker 6: the pandemic hit, making Trump one of the biggest losers

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Speaker 6: ever on manufacturing.

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Speaker 3: Not bad.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was overall like a fine enough answer.

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Speaker 2: I won't go into all the specifics whatever, But I

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Speaker 2: think what it comes back to is not just the

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Speaker 2: leaning of the speech. Keep in mind that was the

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Speaker 2: Economic Club of Pittsburgh. That interview was also conducted in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: This is what they're leaning into, especially there they had

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Speaker 2: the steel workers endorsement. There was actually an interesting question

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Speaker 2: to Kamala on the steel workers and whether that US

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Speaker 2: steel plant should have been sold to Nippon feel, which

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration has decided to block. That's a policy

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Speaker 2: that she came out in favor of. So I thought

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Speaker 2: that was interesting. We have one more section here that

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Speaker 2: we can play from the speech. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: As president, I will be grounded in my fundamental values

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Speaker 6: of fairness, dignity, and opportunity, and I promise you I

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Speaker 6: will be pragmatic in my approach. I will engage in

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Speaker 6: what Franklin Roosevelt called bold persistent experimentation, because I believe

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Speaker 6: we shouldn't be constrained by ideology and instead should seek

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Speaker 6: practical solutions to problems, realistic assessments of what is working

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Speaker 6: and what is not.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, decality access of I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's that is actually what I expected more from her.

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Speaker 2: And listen, I mean we're to put my own politics

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Speaker 2: and how I think about things to the side. I

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Speaker 2: think that probably is on the mark of what people

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Speaker 2: want to hear from her. The undecided economic voter is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not ideological, I'm practical.

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Speaker 3: People like that idea.

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Speaker 2: Practical often meets billionaire like brother in law who was

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Speaker 2: the council for Uber.

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Speaker 3: But whatever, we'll put that to the side.

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Speaker 2: My point is that rhetorically, I didn't think it was

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Speaker 2: the worst thing, and that is something. Of course, you

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Speaker 2: also get a lot of elite donors and other people

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Speaker 2: who've been in her ear.

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Speaker 3: Who are like this is what you need to say.

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Speaker 2: So it was an interesting little flash in terms of

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Speaker 2: the interview, particularly the price couching answer, like you said,

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Speaker 2: but then also the way that she talks at the

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Speaker 2: Economic Club of Pittsburgh. By the way, anything Economic Club

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Speaker 2: is like full on the business community, yeah type thing.

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Speaker 3: And that's typically where these types of speeches are given.

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Speaker 1: I mean that it gives a little bit of Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: like I'm a progressive, gifts things done. Just give a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that. I mean, listen, if you're gonna nitpick,

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Speaker 1: you say, like, Okay, FDR is representative. She's citing FDR there,

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Speaker 1: and he is representing a very specific, like ideological frame,

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Speaker 1: one that I hoy support and one that's a good

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Speaker 1: number of her policies also are quite in line with

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Speaker 1: and some of the Biden Ara policies as well in

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Speaker 1: terms of domestic economics. But then she's also claiming like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not ideological. I mean, you can see the poll

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Speaker 1: testing of some people say you're too liberal. You need

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Speaker 1: to position yourself at this sort of like tough, pragmatic,

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Speaker 1: just competent figure. And so that's what she seeks to

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Speaker 1: do in that speech. I watched the whole speech. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was pretty solid. She

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Speaker 1: threw out it. In terms of her contrast with Trump,

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Speaker 1: the clip we showed you Visa v. Manufacturing was a

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Speaker 1: kind of a good example of the contrast she seeks

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Speaker 1: to set up. We saw a lot of this, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the debate in her DNC speech, et cetera, where

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Speaker 1: it's like he's for the rich, for the middle class.

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Speaker 1: She had this line about, you know, he's for the

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Speaker 1: people who work in the skyscrapers, for the people who

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Speaker 1: build the skyscrapers, which I thought was a pretty good contrast.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what she's trying to set up with

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Speaker 1: regard to what she talked about there with the carrier plan.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember that at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of Trump's twenty term in office back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and there was a whole you know, he made a

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Speaker 1: big show of trying to save these jobs at the

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Speaker 1: carrier plant, and then after all the fanfare dies, they

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Speaker 1: get outsourced anyway. And there's a few failures you can

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Speaker 1: point to, you like that, Lord's Town being another one

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Speaker 1: where a lot of promises were made to people and

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Speaker 1: he didn't care enough to really follow for you to

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Speaker 1: pay attention, and that fell apart. The Fox con facility

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin is another one. Her numbers are correct in

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Speaker 1: terms of manufacturing under him versus under Biden. And it's

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Speaker 1: particularly relevant right now because Sagery probably saw this right

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Speaker 1: now Trump is doing it's a very Carrier esque move,

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Speaker 1: So trying to recapture some of those twenty sixteen populous

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Speaker 1: vibes where he's threatening John d with a two hundred

871
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: percent tariff if they move more production to Mexico in particular.

872
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: And so she's trying to point out, like, yeah, we've

873
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: heard this before, but it never actually works out the

874
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: way that he says because he doesn't follow through, he

875
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have a plan, he's not actually doesn't actually care

876
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: about this stuff is just a show. So anyway, that's

877
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: a contrast. She's trying to set up. The one thing

878
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: I'll say about the limited media strategy, which I think

879
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: is abhorrent for democracy, one thing they might be betting

880
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: on is because there's like a scarcity of Kamala, it

881
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: does mean that those speeches, this interview with Steffanie Rule,

882
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: et cetera, become flag get more coverage like we watched

883
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: it and we covered it, you know, in a way

884
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: that Trump another Trump interview on Fox News would be

885
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: like if something really pops, we'd cover it. But because

886
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: there is such a scarcity of kamala, all of these

887
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: things become bigger events and become a bigger deal. That

888
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: may be part of the calculus that's going into this

889
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: as well. So we've been tracking closely the escalating war

890
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: Israel versus Hisbola in Lebanon and some deeply troubling news

891
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: coming out just recently. As put this up on the screen,

892
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: it appears that Israel is preparing for a potential ground invasion.

893
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: This is from the Financial Times. They say Israel on

894
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Wednesday told troops prepare for a potential ground offensive against

895
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: HESWLA in Lebanon, as Joe Biden warned, and all out

896
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: war is possible, but pushed for a cease fire deal.

897
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: Let me just continue to read some of the details

898
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: here from the Financial Times, the IDF's chief of staff

899
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: told troops airstrikes on Lebanon were not just aimed at

900
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Speaker 1: degrading the Lebanese militant group, but to prepare the ground

901
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: for your possible entry. Quote we are preparing the process

902
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: of a maneuver, which means your military boots, your maneuvering

903
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: boots will enter enemy territory, enter villages that Hesbela has

904
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: prepared as a large military outposts. They also said that

905
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: they were calling up two reserve brigades, although this is

906
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: less of a show of force then prior to the

907
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Speaker 1: grand invasion of Gaza, however, we've already seen massive carnage,

908
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: somewhere around six hundred Lebanese people killed. The Lebanese Health

909
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Ministry is saying that a majority of those, if not

910
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: all of them, those are their words, were civilians. We

911
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: know quite a number of children and women are among

912
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Speaker 1: those who were killed by the Israeli air strikes already.

913
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Speaker 1: So we're looking here at a very likely potential even further.

914
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: Escalation, very very very possible.

915
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Speaker 2: And even worse is that we have basically a total

916
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Speaker 2: failure of US diplomacy. We're already getting embarrassed on the

917
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Speaker 2: national stage. So, for example, we have here Tony Blinken

918
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: getting asked about the situation.

919
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

920
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 9: Does the US support what Israel is doing right now

921
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 9: in terms of this escalation in order to later deescalate

922
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Speaker 9: and get to the negotiating.

923
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 10: What we support is solving the problem of making sure

924
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 10: that people can go home. But we believe the best

925
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Speaker 10: way to solve it is through diplomacy, not through war.

926
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Speaker 9: Why does the US not have or use more leverage

927
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Speaker 9: over Israel. It's ally we are the supplier of the

928
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 9: bulk of its weapons of war. And yet there are

929
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 9: countless examples and you probably know them better than I

930
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 9: where Israel seems to flout what the US is asking

931
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Speaker 9: or suggesting.

932
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 10: Why is that we have a long standing relationship and

933
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 10: security relationship with Israel, including making sure that it has

934
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Speaker 10: what it needs to prevent the many enemies that it

935
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Speaker 10: has from attacking it, to deter them, and that's important

936
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Speaker 10: to avoiding.

937
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Speaker 1: War as well.

938
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Speaker 10: And in this instance, there is a real problem that

939
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Speaker 10: needs to be solved. Again, from our perspective, the best

940
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Speaker 10: way to do it is diplomatically. We're engaged with Israel

941
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Speaker 10: on that, We're engaged with others in the region on that,

942
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Speaker 10: and we need to, I think find the opportunity now

943
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Speaker 10: to stop any escalation, prevent a full scale war, get

944
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Speaker 10: people back to their homes.

945
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Speaker 3: So that's what he has to say.

946
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Speaker 2: And yet just this morning, after the US and France

947
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Speaker 2: released some sort of tea spire proposal they tried to

948
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Speaker 2: intimate it be if was on board, the Prime Minister

949
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Speaker 2: at Israel's office in the middle of the night puts

950
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Speaker 2: out this statement, the report about a ceasefire is incorrect.

951
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: This is an American French proposal that the Prime Minister

952
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Speaker 2: has not even responded to. The report about the purported

953
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: directive to ease up on the fighting in the North

954
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: is the opposite of truth. Think about that. So, not

955
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Speaker 2: only so our Secretary of State Goo is on television

956
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: We're about to get to this. Our president also went

957
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Speaker 2: on television basically touting the ceasefire proposal and almost implying

958
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Speaker 2: that they had agreed to it. And then the Israeli

959
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: has come out and they're like, no, we're not an

960
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: agree And by the way, not only do we not agree,

961
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: we're actually not agreeing at all to any lack of

962
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Speaker 2: escalation in fighting.

963
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: So our troops are already on the way.

964
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Speaker 2: We've got forty thousand at a minimum, there's probably gonna

965
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Speaker 2: be fifty sixty thousand that are going to be somewhere

966
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Speaker 2: in the region, and things are just very very close

967
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Speaker 2: to popping off full scale. And meanwhile, you know, Tony

968
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Speaker 2: blinkoln is on television just talking about how great it

969
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: is to supply his row weapons. The President's on TV

970
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: downplaying this entire thing.

971
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Speaker 3: It's crazy. The whole situation is nuts. Yeah, it truly is.

972
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Speaker 1: Forget my language. I mean, BB has turned Biden and

973
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Blincoln at all into his little bitches like that. From

974
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: the beginning of this war, Biden has said, Blincoln has said,

975
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: all of them have said, the top priority is to

976
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: keep it to s from escalating into a regional war.

977
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: By the way, we cross that bridge a long time ago.

978
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: But now we're talking about massive bombing campaign in Lebanon,

979
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: Lebanese civilians being guilt, threats of turning Lebanon into Gaza,

980
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: which means utter and complete annihilation, and now a ground invasion,

981
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: no end in sight. And the best they can do

982
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: is go on television and say, well, they have the

983
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: right to defend themselves. But I mean, I guess I

984
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of wish they would do it diplomatically, but like,

985
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: we'll support them no matter what. It's like, what do

986
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: you think you're going to get? By the way, these

987
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: guys want Baby in particular, want Trump to be president.

988
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: They would love nothing more for a big, messy Middle

989
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: Eastern disaster in September and October to hand Trump the

990
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: White House again. I just I mean, it's so absurd,

991
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: it's so stupid, so morally depraved. I have no words

992
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: for it whatsoever. And yet here we are. And I

993
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: don't know what happened with the ceasefire proposal. If the

994
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: US really genuinely thought Bibe was on board with it

995
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: and then his ministers freaked out and he backed off

996
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: of it, I don't know. But the truth of the

997
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: matter is because the far right ministers in his government

998
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: are willing to wield what power they have and threaten

999
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: to collapse the government and for BB to pay a

1000
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: political cost. They have much more power in the situation

1001
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: than the superpower that of which Israel is supposed to

1002
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: be the client state that is arming and funding all

1003
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: of this, because they're not willing to use an iota

1004
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: of pressure. And I don't want to lose sight either

1005
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: of the fact that the willingness to continually ship arms

1006
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: with absolutely no conditions on Israel is a dramatically unpopular position.

1007
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: Newpole only twenty three percent of Americans. This was written

1008
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: up at Responsible Statecraft. By the way, only twenty three

1009
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: percent of Americans want the US to send uncondition aid

1010
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: to Israel, including a majority of Republicans, are opposed to

1011
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: sending unconditioned aid to Israel. And yet this is treated

1012
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: like you can't even float it, like it's impossible to

1013
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: even put on the table, And so the results are

1014
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: entirely disgraceful and entirely predictable, going back to like the

1015
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: utter humiliation here. Yet Biden on the View yesterday talking

1016
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: up this theoretical ceasefire that BB's already come out and

1017
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: shot down. Let's go ahead and take a listen to

1018
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: what he had to say on.

1019
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 11: All out war is possible. But I think there's also

1020
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 11: the opportunity we're still in play to have a settlement

1021
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 11: that could fundamentally change the whole region. And look, one

1022
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 11: of the things that I found is there's the Arab

1023
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 11: world very much wants to have a settlement because they

1024
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 11: know what it does for them. They're willing to make

1025
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 11: arrangements with Israel and alliances as if Isel changes some policies.

1026
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 11: And I've known bbing it now for a long long

1027
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 11: time and I'm a very strong support of Israel, and

1028
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 11: make no bones about it. I said years ago I

1029
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 11: was a Zionist. All the Zionist means is that there

1030
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 11: needs to be in Israel, and they have a possibility,

1031
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 11: I don't want to exaggerate it, but a possibility if

1032
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 11: we can deal with a ceasefire in Lebanon, that it

1033
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 11: can move into dealing with the West Bank. But we'll

1034
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 11: also have gossip to deal with. Yeah, and so, but

1035
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 11: it's possible, and I'm using every bit of energy I

1036
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 11: have with my team, and you know, from the Defense Department,

1037
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 11: you know it well.

1038
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: So, I mean, we already know the answer to that

1039
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: one that didn't work out. I mean, the idea he

1040
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: still thinks that there's some broader solution here within the

1041
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: absence of him forcing it to happen and using pressure

1042
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: is just probably. You can't even believe that he believes

1043
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: it at this point, and so no, I can't actually

1044
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: really you think he's that foolish, rain ish shot.

1045
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: He lives in a fantasy world. Also, we're the laughing stock.

1046
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm watching this British show right now called Industry, and

1047
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: they have this scene of the American President of the

1048
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: Treasury secretary being like, and we have a president who

1049
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: still thinks it war with Japan, and there the world

1050
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: is laughing at us, laughing. Bbe is laughing. Look at

1051
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: this meanwhile, you know's and you caught this. I I

1052
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: don't even know how.

1053
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: I missed it. You see that little Ukraine pin there.

1054
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: Our president is wearing the flag of a foreign nation

1055
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: on his lapel. Okay, you know, these are the types

1056
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: of things in the Obama era we actually used to

1057
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: care about. But the whole thing is just so insane

1058
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: because it's a client state, like you said.

1059
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 3: Where the superpower.

1060
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: Our Secretary of State, which used to mean something, goes

1061
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: on television and it's just humiliate. Our president goes on

1062
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: television whose brain is shot.

1063
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: And he's like, well, it's super possible to prevent an

1064
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: all at war.

1065
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: And at the same time, like, look at the actual

1066
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: things that are happening on the ground. Tens of thousands

1067
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: of American troops already there and or on the way

1068
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: to the region with one hundred percent commitment defending them

1069
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: against whatever situation that they get into.

1070
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's only one pact for all of America

1071
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: that that applies to. That's NATO.

1072
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Speaker 2: We don't even have a security guarantee with Israel in

1073
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Speaker 2: that regard, why.

1074
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Speaker 3: Do we do this. There's no reason for us to

1075
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Speaker 3: get into this.

1076
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan and Emily covered yesterday which should be also

1077
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: a massive scandal, which is that the State Department producer

1078
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: report saying, which is kind of obvious, but anyway, saying

1079
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: that hey, Israel is blocking our aid, like they are

1080
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: the reason why our aid isn't getting to the people

1081
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: we want it to get to. That is extremely consequential

1082
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: because if that finding is determined, then you are not

1083
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: allowed by US law, forget about international law. By our laws,

1084
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Speaker 1: you are then prohibited from shipping arms to a nation

1085
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: that is blocking your aid, which I mean seems kind

1086
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: of logical, right. Tony Blinkin came in and said, no,

1087
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I don't buy it, and I'm

1088
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: just going to make my own determination, and then disregards

1089
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: that report and goes to Congress and says, no, we

1090
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: think they're doing their best effectively to enable you know,

1091
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: the continued shipment of arms. This is a violation of

1092
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: our loss. It is illegal that we are shipping these

1093
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: arms to Israel. Forget about morality. Forget about strategic interest,

1094
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: forget about all of that. They are violating our own

1095
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: laws blatantly. In any sort of a sane society, this

1096
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: would be a massive explosive scandal. And instead, because the

1097
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: mainstream coverage and the corporate process is so you know,

1098
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: ideologically aligned, here, you'll barely hear anything about I believe

1099
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: is pro publica that broke the news on this, And

1100
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: so you know, here we are and Gaza is already annihilated,

1101
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: the West Bank is on its way to bet Gaza,

1102
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: and Lebanon's now on its way to be Gaza. And

1103
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: the best that our president can go out and do

1104
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: is like meekly float a ceasefire proposal on the view

1105
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: that immediately gets shot down. Brock Revied reported on this

1106
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: theoretical ceasefire deal could put this up on the screen,

1107
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: even though it's sort of pointless at this point. The

1108
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: idea was for some quote unquote pause, I guess, a

1109
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: humanitarian pause in the fighting, and lemanon resumption of negotiations

1110
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: in a Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal. It has been

1111
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: apparent since October eighth that Biebe has no interest in

1112
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: a long term ceasefire deal that he would have to

1113
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: be dragged to it through the force of US pressure,

1114
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: and never along the way has the US decided, Hey,

1115
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: maybe we should switch strategies here. Maybe if we want

1116
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: a different outcome, we should try a different approach. Lastly,

1117
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: just in terms of some of the broader context of

1118
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: what this is going to mean, let's put this up

1119
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: from Times of Israel, which more of a right leaning

1120
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: English language publication in Israel. The headline here is Israel's

1121
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: pounding haswla but in war, the Iran backed force will

1122
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: be a lethal foe. You know, they're still outmashed. Of course,

1123
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: we're arming Israel, so superpowers arms to Israel. They've got

1124
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot going for them, but they have quite a

1125
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: bit of capability, and they also have the inherent advantage

1126
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: of being the defending parties, so you know, it allows

1127
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: them strategic advantage. Just from the jump some of the

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00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: reporting here, Heswela now has forty to eighty thousand short

1129
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: range unguided rockets, some sixty to eighty thousand long range

1130
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: unguided rockets that can reach one hundred kilometers. Ballistic missile

1131
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: Arsenal is smaller but can reach much further into Israel.

1132
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: We saw a missile that was shot down headed towards

1133
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: the God headquarters in Tel Aviv. In an all out war,

1134
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: They say Hesbla could use its firepower number of ways

1135
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: they could use unguided rockets against population centers to rode

1136
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: the public's will and trust in the government and to

1137
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: disrupt the functioning of the country. They also talk and

1138
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: this was interesting Sager about the way that how important

1139
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: drones are, but not the really big sophisticated drones. It's

1140
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: the fact that they have all of these smaller drones

1141
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: that they can use to potentially like swarm and overwhelm

1142
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Iron Dome, and that they've been testing out some of this,

1143
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, since two thousand and six. They haven't been

1144
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: just rusting on their laurels. They've been trying to figure out,

1145
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, how they could be more effective. So, you know,

1146
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: this is a much vastly more sophisticated adversary than Hamas

1147
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: in Gaza. You know, they have real weaponry from Iran

1148
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: and have built up their capabilities. Yes, they suffered a

1149
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: blow in those you know, pager in walkie talkie attacks

1150
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: which not only took out a number of their people

1151
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: but also has I'm sure made communication very difficult. But

1152
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: this is a much different adversary than what Israel has face.

1153
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Look I keep saying this, you know, the drone point

1154
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 2: is very important. Russia is getting drones from where Iran

1155
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: has Bola is sponsored by who. Iran also has Bulla

1156
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: fought what a decade in the Syrian Civil War. Syria

1157
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: was the real experimental ground for the beginnings of this

1158
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: small Chinese drone warfare. Isis has Bola. All of these

1159
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: are their organizations. You can go watch it if you want.

1160
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: It's all right there on telegram. But then in Ukraine

1161
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: it got gasoline was poured on the fire, the technology

1162
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: got back, and then the widespread application of these and

1163
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: the use of them by the armed forces and by

1164
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: the like at the industrial state level in terms of

1165
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: launching them towards Ukraine, it's been a real way that

1166
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: they've been able to penetrate air defense systems. This is

1167
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: a massive problem, not just ra Israel, for all of

1168
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: us actually, if you think about it, because we have

1169
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: these super sophisticated systems which are supposed to against ICBMs,

1170
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: but it turns out these tiny, little cheap drones are

1171
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: very easy way to defeat those systems, and we don't

1172
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: have a particularly good answer. This is exactly what they

1173
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: would have to face, a much more technologically advanced enemy,

1174
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: much more capable of fighting force has been battle tested,

1175
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: far more battle tested than the IDF has and the

1176
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: people in Israel who actually have to fight they know this.

1177
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: They have to call up already multiple reservists. It would

1178
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: devastate their economy even more than it already has.

1179
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: Don't forget.

1180
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean, this war has been a disaster for them.

1181
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: It's cost them hundreds of billions of shekels and decimated

1182
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: their workforce. They still have that controversy where like half

1183
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: their population doesn't even have to fight, so this would

1184
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: be huge. I mean, they haven't lost all that many

1185
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: soldiers in Gaza relatively compared to what they would in

1186
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: a real Lebanon conflagration. So I'm worried about it, I

1187
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: really am. And already they shot down this ceaspar proposal,

1188
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: even though you have what the US, Japan, the UA,

1189
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: like all of these major powers that have signed on

1190
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: to it.

1191
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. They just don't care.

1192
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: They don't care, and why should they. Why should beb

1193
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: in particular, because you know, when he sees very clearly

1194
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: what his political imperative is. And so listen, it's one thing,

1195
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, Israel just using their air force to go

1196
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: in and balm, that's you know, warfare on easy mode.

1197
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: But if there's an actual ground invasion, they're going to

1198
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: suffer losses of you know, the sort that they have

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Speaker 1: not yet had to suffer in the context of this war.

1200
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: And it's just you know, then you're inviting. Okay, is

1201
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Iran getting pulled directly into this? How are we impacted,

1202
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: how our troops in the region impacted? How much more

1203
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: directly do we get pulled in? And then the you know,

1204
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: the level of suffering is just unending, and as I

1205
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: keep saying, no end inside. So that's what we're looking

1206
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: at today. So apologies, guys, we talk too much. We

1207
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: got two into the other stories. So we're going to

1208
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: do the Senate breakdown of where things stand next week

1209
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: in the show, but we wanted to make sure to

1210
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: get this rare good news into the show. We can

1211
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Overdose deaths. After a

1212
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: rapid escalation and a terrifying trend, we finally see a

1213
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: downward decline and it's quite significant so far this year,

1214
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 1: it looks like there's been a roughly ten point six

1215
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: percent drop in overdose deaths, and actually some researchers think

1216
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: that when the data is completely in that it's going

1217
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: to show an even larger decline than that ten percent.

1218
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: One researcher thinks they may see twenty percent. In some areas,

1219
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: they're seeing as much as thirty percent. In fact, specifically

1220
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, which is a state that

1221
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: has been heavy hit by hard hit by opioid deaths,

1222
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: overdose deaths are down thirty one percent. Missouri seeing a

1223
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: similar trend. They've seen overdose deaths in the beginning part

1224
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: of this year falling roughly thirty four percent. That builds

1225
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: on some progress that was made last year as well.

1226
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: And Saga, there's a lot of nobody really knows why. Right,

1227
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: There's a basket of potential plausible causes. One of them

1228
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: is just COVID is behind us. The pandemic was part

1229
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: of but you have to look. You know, the deaths

1230
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: were skyro before COVID as well, so that can be

1231
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: the entire explanation. You had the Biden administration making a

1232
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: lot of moves to make the overdose reverse drugs Narcan

1233
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: is the sort of most common brand name. The lock

1234
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Zone is the name, I believe of the actual drug itself,

1235
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 1: and suboxone, which is meant to reduce opioid cravings. They've

1236
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: done a lot to make that more widely available and

1237
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: to make Narcan in particular available over the counter, and

1238
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: also pressured a lot of businesses and whatever to have

1239
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: it on hand, et cetera. I think that's certainly a

1240
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: part of what's going on here. There's also a study

1241
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: that came out this morning that said it looks like

1242
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: ozeenpic may lead to reduction in opioid overdoses, so that's

1243
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: interesting something to look into as well. And then there's

1244
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: also been a difference in the mixing of street drugs.

1245
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: Sentanel is now being cut frequently with a different drug

1246
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't lead to those cravings and that sense of

1247
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: withdrawal kicking in quite as quickly. So part of it

1248
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: may be people are going longer between their dosages, leading

1249
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: to fewer overdose deaths. But you know whatever, the pieces

1250
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: are certainly good to see a little bit of good

1251
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: news on this front, because the numbers have been so

1252
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: devastating and so catastrophic.

1253
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: It was a number one cause of death I believe,

1254
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: for even surpassing car accidents for younger people in America.

1255
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 3: So it was a total disaster. I'm of a couple

1256
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: of minds.

1257
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm very happy that people are not dropping dead, but unfortunately,

1258
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: all the data says that most of these people are

1259
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: still using drugs. And if you're using fentanyl, opioids or whatever, yes,

1260
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: it's great that you're not, you know, dropping dead, but

1261
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: you're going to die very very soon. I mean, like

1262
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: the data is clear about infection, about HIV, about hepatitis,

1263
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 2: about that life that they're living. It's almost certainly going

1264
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: to lead to crime that you're going It's almost an

1265
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: inevitability from what I've seen so far in terms of

1266
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: like long term usage, committing petty crime. You're going to

1267
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: end up yourself from present. You're going to ruin your

1268
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: life and ruin their lives of a lot of people

1269
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: around you. So I'm up two minds of it. I'm

1270
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: very very happy that people are not dying of fentanyl

1271
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: with drugs. It does appear that fentanyl reduction and supplies

1272
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: to you appears to have played some part in this.

1273
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 3: But the knock stone and.

1274
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: The wide availability and all this, but America is still sick.

1275
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, the number of drug users has not gone down,

1276
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: if anything, actually probably gone up. And if you look

1277
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 2: at the fentanyl usage and all that, it's almost even

1278
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: sick because now people are not dying. There almost seem

1279
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: to be like managing it, right. But that's all I'm

1280
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: saying is there's no managing just not dying. Like there's

1281
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: a whole realm of misery and all that. Go to

1282
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: the downtown of any major city and you'll see it

1283
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: for yourself. People really bent over, you know, doing the

1284
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: fentanyl lean It's everywhere, and it still makes me really sad.

1285
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Of course, the problem is not solved. No one's saying that,

1286
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: But I mean the idea of harm reduction, which I

1287
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: certainly support and which certainly played you know, at least

1288
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: some role in the reduction and depth is that you

1289
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: just you live to fight another day. You live to

1290
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to get into recovery and to get

1291
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: your life together and to get clean and sober. You

1292
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: just you know you're able to continue that fight. And

1293
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: you know the fact that that play to key part

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Speaker 1: in this I think is really important. But it is

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Speaker 1: of course not the end of the story. I mean,

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Speaker 1: still recovery programs are dramatically you know, underfunded, there are

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Speaker 1: not enough beds available, and you know, you still have

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Speaker 1: the underlying whatever, the underlying problems of despair and inequality

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Speaker 1: and housing on affordability and homelessness, like those things have

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: not gone away. So obviously this is not to clear

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Speaker 1: mission accomplished. But when you see a significant drop like this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to stop and take a look

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, well what worked here, what's repeatable? You know,

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Speaker 1: what can we say about how we're able to accomplish

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Speaker 1: this reversal of a trend that until just two years

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Speaker 1: ago seemed like it was just on a continual literal

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Speaker 1: death march forward. So that's why I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we talk about it, because even if you know, obviously,

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Speaker 1: like I said, no one's declaring mission accomplished. But when

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Speaker 1: you see a thirty percent drop in certain states in Ohio,

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Speaker 1: Missouri and other places, twenty percent drop, ten percent drop,

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Speaker 1: and potentially more overall, that's something significant that is happening,

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Speaker 1: and that is a lot of lives saved by some

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Speaker 1: confluence of factors here. And I think the availability of

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Speaker 1: nilock zone being one of the factors that's contributed.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, one theory I s offloaded is that harm reduction

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01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: may not have had to do all that much with it,

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Speaker 2: is that the drug cartels have just remixed because they're

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Speaker 2: like fentanyls, bringing too much heat to the drug industry.

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Speaker 2: That was a theory I sto offloaded by some law

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Speaker 2: enforcement I know, it actually seems very plausible.

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Speaker 1: Other very grim theory is just that so many people

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Speaker 1: already died. That like a lot of the people who

1324
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Speaker 1: were the most likely to be vulnerable have already died,

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly dark. But so there'll have to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of research about what contributes to this declinent.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just like with the the rise and

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Speaker 1: fall of violent crime, which we're now on another major

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: down swing in terms of violent crime. Sometimes these like

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Speaker 1: the causes are debated for decades. There still isn't a

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Speaker 1: consensus about why crime declined so suddenly in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: There's a variety of contested theories, but there still isn't like,

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, something rock solid that people can can point to.

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Speaker 1: Some people point to the removal of lead, and it.

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Speaker 3: Might and I actually think there's a huge I actually

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Speaker 3: think that.

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Speaker 1: Is too and the reduction and violent crime right now,

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: again it may just be like, oh, we're not in

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Speaker 1: the pandemic anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, people are contesting those numbers.

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Speaker 2: From what I understand that the violent crime because this

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Speaker 2: is a big, big I've been thinking about doing monologue

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Speaker 2: on this, just because I love crimes. Is that allegedly

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Speaker 2: FBI reports that there's been a three percent drop in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three from the year before in terms of

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Speaker 2: violent crime. So that is the official FBI number, but

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Speaker 2: there apparently has been a reduction in the number of

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Speaker 2: cities that report crime to the FBI.

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Speaker 3: So the FBI crime stats themselves can be very easily juiced.

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Speaker 2: If people remember, I've done multiple milogues about mass shootings.

1351
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Speaker 2: If you classify a mass shooting as three people as

1352
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: opposed to four, it all changes And then if you're like,

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: is it really a mass anyway? All I'm saying is

1354
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: be careful in terms of siding that I do think

1355
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: crime has gone down relative to where it was, but

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the drops that people are talking about,

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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 3: But point is only just that I don't know. I

1359
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Speaker 3: have a hard time.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm worried about it because if you

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01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: still have hundreds of thousands of people who are addicted

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Speaker 2: to street drugs, like just because you're not dropping dead today,

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: like your your life is over to a certain extent

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Speaker 2: if you keep using for the next four to five years,

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Speaker 2: just from what we see with the infection data and

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Speaker 2: all of the other like horrible diseases that you're likely

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Speaker 2: to contract with living this life. So this is my

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Speaker 2: general problem with harm reduction is that most people who

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Speaker 2: are for it do not support the regime that they have.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that, no, I mean most people are

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Speaker 1: for harm reduction are also for a broader expance, but they're.

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Speaker 3: Not for punished like I said, in.

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Speaker 1: Portugal are treating it as a health crist.

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Speaker 3: But that's my point.

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Speaker 2: In Portugal, if you shoot heroin up on a bench,

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Speaker 2: you're going to jail or rehab. You don't have a choice,

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Speaker 2: like you should be locked up if you're using street

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Speaker 2: drugs on the street. Most people are just not for that.

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Speaker 2: Who are quote unquote for harm reduction, like you need

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Speaker 2: a significant punitive regime people who are addicted.

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Speaker 1: We've had a significant imputative virgin yeah, but that has

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Speaker 1: not been effective.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you have to have some if you

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Speaker 2: want to have a legalization regime, you can't have it

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Speaker 2: where it is right now, where people who are just

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Speaker 2: on the street using drugs, even if you give them

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Speaker 2: a hotel room, they're still going to use drugs in

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Speaker 2: the hotel room, and they're going to ruin their life,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna burn through all of their savings. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: the truth is that in Europe they have a very

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Speaker 2: paternalistic attitude towards this, where they're like, yeah, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: you can use, but if you're using in public and

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Speaker 2: you're causing disorder, it's.

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Speaker 3: Over for you. You're going to rehab or you're going

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Speaker 3: to jail. We don't have that.

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Speaker 2: We have the streets of San Francisco, but that's also

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It's also part of harm reduction because you're right, if

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Speaker 1: you're just buying street drugs, you're at greater risk because

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Speaker 1: unless you're testing, and that's actually another thing that they

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: made more available testing strips. But unless you're testing to

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Speaker 1: know what's exactly in those drugs, you are putting yourself

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01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: at greater risk. But you know, as I said, before

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Speaker 1: step one is just keeping people alive. But it's only

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Speaker 1: step one, that's just the beginning of the of the journey.

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Speaker 1: But to see this significant downward decline as something definitely

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Speaker 1: too I'm encouraged by.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy about it, but you know, at the same time,

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Speaker 2: like I don't want to just be like, oh, that's

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Speaker 2: mission accomplished, should give out free needles. It's like, no,

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: you people need to go to rehab, Like we got

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Speaker 2: to clean up our streets and make sure that this

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Speaker 2: is not acceptable. And a lot of the drug addicts

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Speaker 2: are quoted in that NPR story are like, yeah, we

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: used together. Now I'm like, this is horrible, Like we're

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Speaker 2: creating like fentanyl circles so that people can just.

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Speaker 3: Well the reasons together.

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Speaker 1: The reason they say that is so that if somebody

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Speaker 1: overdoses right when dying, someone kind of and minister in narcan.

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Speaker 2: Right, but they're still using that fentanyl and street drafts

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: and living this horrible lifestyle like that is something that

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Speaker 2: needs to end. And so that's just when I think

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Speaker 2: that a lot of people think that this is the

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Speaker 2: correct end state where it's like, oh, just give everybody narcan,

1425
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, we actually need to get people

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Speaker 2: not addicted to opioids. Ope, he's got an eighty eighty

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Speaker 2: something percent recidivism rate right now. Like the level of

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Speaker 2: punitive measure that needs to be put into place actually

1429
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Speaker 2: force people for withdrawal and even ninety days is not

1430
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: even close. So anyways, people are getting an insight into

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Speaker 2: the big debates around this.

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Speaker 1: But do you support the wider availability of narcan?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course, but it has to be paired with again,

1435
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: just giving narcan to a sixteen year old McDonald's employee

1436
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 2: and being like, hey, if somebody overdoses in the bathroom,

1437
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Speaker 2: just hit him with some narkhan and then everyone county

1438
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: police is like, oh, we got another one. And then

1439
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Speaker 2: even if you do go to jail for petty crime,

1440
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: you get released and you're back on drugs and very

1441
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Speaker 2: likely to part of the stork.

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Speaker 1: It's not just narcan, it's also the increase availability of suboxone,

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Speaker 1: which reduces cravings for oloids. You support that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So anything method ons to box zone and the

1445
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 2: lack zone, all of those other things. Great management programs

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01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: have mixed results in terms of how they actually lead to,

1447
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: like long term lack of ricidism, My point is that

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Speaker 2: there needs to still be much more punitive measures on

1449
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: forcing people to go to very extensive rehabilitation, not of

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Speaker 2: their choice. Ninety days is simply not enough. There's not

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Speaker 2: enough state resources behind this. And then the other flip

1452
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Speaker 2: side of that is that people just let these people

1453
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Speaker 2: live in squalor in these like crime written you know,

1454
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Speaker 2: like what skid row in Los Angeles, and just because

1455
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Speaker 2: they're not dying in skid row does not mean that

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Speaker 2: that's still not like an imminent crisis. That's the point

1457
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Speaker 2: that I'm just trying to make, is that there still

1458
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: needs to be a significant change in the justice system

1459
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Speaker 2: to actually force a lot of these people to go

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Speaker 2: through the choice. A.

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Speaker 1: Is that the is that a health system health crisis.

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Speaker 3: No, it has to come through the justice system.

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Speaker 2: Because if you just give people like, oh, you can

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Speaker 2: go to re have if you want, a lot of

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Speaker 2: these people like using drugs, let me the.

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Speaker 1: Bad part again, drugs are still criminalized, so we have

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Speaker 1: the system that you seem to want to have.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Drugs are still criminalized and we don't have enough recab.

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Speaker 2: They're criminalized or they de facto legal in the state

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Speaker 2: of California, which they are, which is these people just living.

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Speaker 3: Are we just taller and they don't get arrested?

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Speaker 1: I mean, are well for one thing, Gavenusom is doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that you would want them

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Speaker 1: to do, not yet. But we're also not just talking

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Speaker 1: about California. In fact, California isn't one of the states

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Speaker 1: that has the highest rate of overdose death. Those are

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Speaker 1: primarily red states. Is the Apalachian States. It's Tennessee, West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: and Ohio. I believe that have the highest rates of

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Speaker 1: opioid overdoses. I don't think anyone would accuse them of

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Speaker 1: being like, you know, no coastal liberals with their drug policy.

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Speaker 2: Well, in fact, they have a worse attitude, right like

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: I just said about somebody like, oh, these idiots are

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Speaker 2: doing it again, and they just let them live in

1485
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: basic squalor in these houses and shoot up and nobody

1486
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Speaker 2: really does.

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Speaker 3: Anything about it.

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Speaker 2: I think, Look, I'm not saying it's the only answer.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that you still have to have a lot

1490
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Speaker 2: more punitive measure, and that's simply just celebrating the fact

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Speaker 2: that there's still hundreds of thousands of people addicted to

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Speaker 2: street drugs is bad.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like you're like not really encouraged at

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Speaker 1: all by the fact that there's been something implemented that

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Speaker 1: actually work to keep people alive, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: what you want them to do.

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Speaker 2: Because I think this is the end state that a

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Speaker 2: lot of the pro drug people want. They want people

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Speaker 2: to just not die of drugs, but they're fine if

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Speaker 2: people are addicted to drugs. I don't think that's an

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Speaker 2: acceptable that's outcome.

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Speaker 1: I think what we've seen is that our regime of

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Speaker 1: criminalization hasn't hasn't been effective. And you know, we've had

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Speaker 1: this regime of the War on Drugs and the criminalization

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Speaker 1: of drugs for you know, one hundred years. You know,

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Speaker 1: that regime was in place as the spike was going on.

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: There are plenty of places where drug use is very

1508
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: much punished and there is a punitive approach to it,

1509
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: and this is the first time we've seen something that

1510
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: has really worked. So to me, that's incouraged.

1511
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 3: Well.

1512
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 2: But they legalized drugs in the state of Oregon and

1513
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 2: it was a complete disaster and they literally had to

1514
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: reverse it because the population saw what the results of

1515
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: that were. So I'm just saying, you know, it's not

1516
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: all rosy. On the other end of that too, I

1517
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: think the current drug regime.

1518
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm just trending angry by the data.

1519
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm not angry by the data, and so like I.

1520
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: Thought this would be something and be like, Wow, it's

1521
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: something encouraging that happened. What happened here?

1522
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: I think I watched with a great dismay at the

1523
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 2: celebration of just the fact that it's like, oh, it's great,

1524
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: this is it. We basically problem I.

1525
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: Just has any who has said that. I've literally not

1526
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: seen anyone be like this is great, problem solved. It's

1527
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, we made one step forward, what worked?

1528
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: What can we build on? How can we continue this trend?

1529
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: I have maybe you can name some names, but I

1530
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: don't see anyone doing like a mission accomplished banner right now.

1531
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: You're right, it's I guess it's more about the trend

1532
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: and the overall project of the so called harm reduction movement,

1533
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: which is just something I really don't agree with in

1534
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: terms of the philosophy of it just needs to be

1535
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: safe to be able to use drugs. It's like, no,

1536
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: using drugs is bad. Living this lifestyle is bad. There's

1537
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: safe heroin addict that lives out there. Like guess if

1538
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: you're getting clean heroin in Portugal, you're still ruining your life.

1539
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 3: But it's true.

1540
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: The bottle are staying alive, absolutely, of course. And you

1541
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,839
Speaker 1: support harm reduction, you just want it to be compared

1542
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: with more criminalization.

1543
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean you're I mean again, yes, where you're talking about.

1544
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 2: If you support the Portuguese model, you support a highly

1545
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: punitive system, which is one where drugs are legal. But

1546
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: if you are outwardly using them in public where they

1547
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: are right now, you have serious legal consequences. Right You're

1548
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: going to fit Well, I don't where's the serious legal consequences,

1549
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1550
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: Well, but in Portugal there's managed, state administered sites, yes,

1551
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: where you can go and basically get your dose. You

1552
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: support that?

1553
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 2: No, not really, especially right now with the current system.

1554
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: If we got to a place where we had the

1555
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: punitive measures in place, then yeah, I've said this before,

1556
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: if we were going to lag.

1557
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 3: Drugs, we'd have to actually do the Portuguese model.

1558
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: What I see right now is instead of preference for

1559
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: the so called like harm reduction, which is not paired

1560
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: at all with any of the punitive measures of the

1561
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: force rehabilitation that they have in the countries where they

1562
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: do have a much.

1563
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: More relaxed drug regime. Well, we can't have one of

1564
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 3: the other, right.

1565
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: With that, I actually but I actually think it's not

1566
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: the worst of all worlds because at least people are

1567
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: staying alive. So do I think it's you know, the

1568
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: end all be all? Are there more things I would

1569
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: like to see done, of course? But do I think

1570
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: it's a significant step forward that fewer people are dying?

1571
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1572
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: And if harm reduction alone, and again I think it's

1573
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: too simplistic to even say that that was the only

1574
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: factory here, but I think it clearly was a factor

1575
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: in what's going on here. Do I consider that progress

1576
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: even just alone, even if you don't do the whole

1577
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: comprehensive Yeah, I can. I absolutely am very pleased to

1578
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: see this. And I don't see it as like a

1579
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: double edge sort or anything like that. I just think

1580
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: it's better that people are alive and have that chance

1581
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: for another week, another month, another year, another decade to

1582
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: be able to you know, get clean and get their

1583
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: life together, et cetera.

1584
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm very glad that I'm glad that people

1585
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: are alive and they're not dying and it's not the

1586
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: number one cause of death. The dismay that I have

1587
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: is that this would norm what is happening right now.

1588
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: For example, cocaine. Cocaine used is actually quite down right now,

1589
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: and it's because people are afraid of fentanyl. So are

1590
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 2: they going to read this study and they're like, Oh,

1591
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: it's cool, we can just start using cocaine again. It's like, no,

1592
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: cocaine is bad. Actually, Like I didn't think you'd have

1593
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: to say that, and so it's.

1594
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: Not always bad.

1595
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 3: Well no, I think, Okay, you know what, go out.

1596
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: There, try it for yourself. Ten years, let's check in

1597
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 2: and let's see what he's doing better in life.

1598
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: Look, well, alcohol is incredibly degus drug that I'm completely

1599
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: societally sanctioned. So some of the judgment that we put

1600
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: on different drugs is more about like our conception in

1601
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 1: society than the reality of the cocaine is worse, dangerous

1602
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: and real for them. But in any case, harm reduction

1603
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: was effective here. I'm glad they're doing it. I hope

1604
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: it continues, and it's one step but not the whole program.

1605
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, believe it there. Okay, let's get to Ditty.

1606
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: So, guys, of course we've been covering the downfall of

1607
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: Sean Dittycombs, including the new indictment that we've learned a

1608
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: lot of details about. But we're lucky to be joined

1609
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: this morning by a longtime friend of mine and fantastic journalist, Torre,

1610
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: who has a new substack. Tell people where to find

1611
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: your new work.

1612
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 8: Tore Culture Fries is the name of the substack. It's

1613
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 8: Torre dot substack dot com. Doing a lot of reporting

1614
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,919
Speaker 8: on the Ditty situation there amazing.

1615
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: So Tori has a new report up this morning that

1616
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: looks specifically at some exclusive details of how R and

1617
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: B singer Cassie was trapped in what you describe as

1618
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: a ten year nightmare. In the headline, you say how

1619
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: did he used her album to control her? And you

1620
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: were able to speak with some folks who were close

1621
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: to Cassie, So it talked us about some of these

1622
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: new details that have yet to be revealed.

1623
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have. I had a long conversation with a

1624
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 8: longtime friend of Cassie's. She was working on an album

1625
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 8: for ten years. This is an incredibly long time to

1626
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 8: work on an album. She thought she was really working

1627
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 8: on an album. She had songwriters, she had hot producers,

1628
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 8: she had big artists coming in, rappers and singers to

1629
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 8: collab with her. They made a lot of songs, but

1630
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 8: there was never a release date, there was never a title.

1631
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 8: It was never intended to come out. It was a

1632
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 8: giant pacifier to keep her happy in between the times

1633
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 8: when Ditty was ready to do freak offs, and it

1634
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 8: became this carrot of if you want to continue doing

1635
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 8: the album which you love, then you got to do

1636
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 8: the freakofs It has to be both. It can't be

1637
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 8: one or the other. And this is a way that

1638
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 8: he controlled a lot of people. If you want to

1639
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 8: stay around me, you got to participate in this over here,

1640
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 8: whatever it is that I want you to do, And

1641
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 8: that way you get to continue pursuing your professional dream.

1642
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 8: So it's really tragic. The best years of her creative

1643
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 8: life were spent thinking she was working on her sophomore

1644
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 8: album and about to blow up great label. Ditty's behind me,

1645
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 8: We're going to be huge. But it was all a sham.

1646
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so just so people recall, I mean, first

1647
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: of all, Cassie had some certified bangers, some great hits,

1648
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: super talented, beautiful, I mean, she had everything that it took.

1649
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: And then she also is in part the person who

1650
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: helps to kick off this whole series of events that

1651
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: leads to the federal charges against Ditty, because they had

1652
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: that look back law in New York that allowed her

1653
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: to file civil charges against him. He settles quickly, but

1654
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: not before a lot of the details emerge of her

1655
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: allegations of years and years of torture and abuse by Ditty.

1656
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: She also is the woman who appears in that horrifying

1657
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: hotel security camera footage where he is beating her and

1658
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: dragging her back to the hotel room. So Cassie is

1659
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: really central to this, and I think what's part of

1660
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: what's been important about your reporting and your reporting here

1661
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: in particular, is that it centers the survivors here as

1662
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: well and really helps to share the level of abuse

1663
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: and try that they went through over years. Oh and

1664
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: she also is the one who you know, possibly did

1665
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: he may have blown up her boyfriend Kid Cutty's car

1666
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: in the driveway too, because we have the arson charges

1667
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: in this federal indictment that haven't been detailed yet.

1668
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 8: You know, part of the thing is that people are saying,

1669
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 8: how did this happen? How did Cassie rise up to

1670
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 8: stand up to him when so many other people wanted

1671
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 8: to and didn't feel comfortable. Because Ditty was so powerful,

1672
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 8: she's able to escape from him when kim Porter suddenly

1673
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 8: passes away. He's so bereft and upset about that that

1674
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 8: he's not really paying attention to anything, and so she's

1675
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 8: able to escape. Within a few months of basically running

1676
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 8: away from him, she's pregnant, she's in a committed relationship.

1677
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 8: She ends up marrying this man. At the end of

1678
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 8: the year, she has his baby, and by then she's

1679
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 8: in a whole thing. She has a whole new life,

1680
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 8: and she is too far gone for Diddy to be

1681
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 8: able to get her back. And in that moment, going

1682
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 8: through rehab, going through therapy, having her parents, her friends,

1683
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 8: a husband who's supportive, children, she changes and she grows,

1684
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 8: and she's saying to herself, I want to be the

1685
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 8: stand up person that I want my kids to be.

1686
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 8: I want to be a good example for them, and

1687
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 8: that leads her to say, I have to stand up

1688
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 8: for the girl I was, because the girl I was

1689
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 8: who he controlled and beat up I'm not that person anymore,

1690
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 8: and I need to stand up for her. And at

1691
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 8: that point she says, I'm going to stand up to him,

1692
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 8: and so many people were afraid to do that, and

1693
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 8: she breaks that glass ceiling and pushes in there. She

1694
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 8: says to him, look, I wrote a book for thirty

1695
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 8: million dollars. You can have the book. You'll have my silence.

1696
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 8: Nobody will have to know what happened. But this person, Puffy,

1697
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 8: is surrounded by enablers, and nobody around him who might

1698
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 8: Anybody around who might say no is pushed off. And

1699
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 8: so he's surrounded by enablers. An this is an odd deal.

1700
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 8: Thirty million is nothing to him. He's a billionaire. At

1701
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 8: this point, he says no, and then she goes far

1702
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 8: with the lawsuit. Then everybody hears what happens. Then the

1703
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 8: federal government's like wait, wait, wait, wait, what happened? And

1704
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 8: then all this and all this starts. But he could

1705
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 8: have stopped this, but he never thought that she was

1706
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 8: strong enough to actually stand up to him, because I.

1707
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: Never well, yeah, it's decades of the abuse that he had. Tori,

1708
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: you got quite a bit of attention. You put out

1709
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: a TikTok that detailed the ditty story and how it

1710
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: was actually personal to you. Why don't we take a

1711
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: listen to some of that. That's going to be f

1712
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: two guys, and we're going to get your reaction.

1713
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 8: The Diddy situation is personal for me. I take no

1714
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 8: joy in the man's downfall. I just want to see justice.

1715
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 8: But I too felt his wrath. I knew this man

1716
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 8: for decades. I interviewed him many times. I went to

1717
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Speaker 8: some of his PG rated parties. We had a professional

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Speaker 8: relationship until something happened.

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Speaker 3: So tell us a little bit about that. Can you

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01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 3: expand on what happened?

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I had a family member who was

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01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 8: trying to break into the entertainment business. I felt like

1723
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 8: this is a situation where I should use my connections.

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01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 8: I called Puff. I had never asked him for a favor.

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01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 8: We didn't have like a personal relationship. We didn't hang out,

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 8: but we had a definite, years long professional relationship. Will

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01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 8: you please, you know, hire my family member to be

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01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 8: an intern in your situation, you know, because I thought

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 8: that would be good for him break into the music business.

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01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 8: For about three months, it was very excited.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 8: They had a great time traveling around go to the

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01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 8: mansions whatever. And then the whole internship suddenly stopped, and

1734
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 8: I'm calling and saying, Hey, what's going on? How come

1735
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 8: you're not going to the internship, You're not going to work?

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01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 8: And it was silenced for years. I did not find

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01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 8: out until years later that Puffy had said to him,

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01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 8: you know, either you come home with me tonight or

1739
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 8: the internship is over. And at that point I was

1740
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 8: blown away that that had happened, that that had been said.

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01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 8: You know, my family member said no, which ended the internship,

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01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 8: and you know, I was shocked. I was hurt. I

1743
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 8: was blown away that that that Puffy would be would

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01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 8: do that.

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Speaker 1: One of the questions that's emerged now is if this

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01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: was just like an open secret in the industry, I mean,

1747
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: the number of people who were likely involved, the number

1748
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: of other individuals who had stories similar to the one

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01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: that you were privy to, or worse. I mean, you know,

1750
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 1: you have been around this scene, You've interviewed a lot

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01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: of the major players. Was that your sense was that

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01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: this was sort of an open secret? Had you heard

1753
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: other rumors within the industry?

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01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 2: I mean.

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 8: To a certain extent, Surely, if I thought that I

1756
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 8: was putting my beloved family member who I'm very close

1757
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 8: to and loved immensely. If I thought I was putting

1758
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 8: them in any sort of danger of the sort we

1759
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 8: now know is possible, I wouldn't have done this at all. Right,

1760
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 8: So I could not have known the extent of what

1761
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 8: we're talking about at all.

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, did I hear route?

1763
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know. I don't really remember feeling like,

1764
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 8: oh my god. I know everybody is saying, oh my god,

1765
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 8: I heard back when I was in middle school, this

1766
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 8: is going on. I really don't know how prevalent this

1767
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:44,919
Speaker 8: was as far as the rumors getting around. We knew

1768
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 8: about his violence. We knew, you know, he threatened me,

1769
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 8: He threatened Danielle Smith at Vibe, he threatened he beat

1770
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 8: up Steve Stout, you know, I mean, like we knew

1771
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 8: that he had this massive temper.

1772
01:25:59,360 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 3: He threatened me.

1773
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, yeah, he There was a record review

1774
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 8: that I wrote where I criticized one of the lines

1775
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 8: that he said, and he called me and he was

1776
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 8: very nice and saying, can you please remove that line

1777
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 8: because that is annoying and hurtful to me, And I'm like, no,

1778
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 8: I'm not going to remove that line, and then he

1779
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 8: starts screaming and yelling at me and like I'm going

1780
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 8: to ruin your career and all this stuff, and like

1781
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 8: I kind of stopped listening because it was a very loud,

1782
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 8: angry volume, like oh my god, like whatever. And then

1783
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 8: he sort of and I'm not really responding to that,

1784
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 8: and then he sort of comes down emotionally and he's like,

1785
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 8: so can we remove that line? And I'm like, no, no,

1786
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 8: we cannot just remove that line.

1787
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 3: And that ended that.

1788
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 8: But I thought that we had gotten back to a

1789
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 8: place of equanimity. Like he pushed me, challenged me, I

1790
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 8: stood my ground. And then and not long after that,

1791
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 8: I got invited to a white party in the Hamptons,

1792
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 8: which was this fabulous daytime affair, everyone wearing white. It

1793
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 8: was very cute, but.

1794
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 3: This is he ended up.

1795
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 8: He was sitting right next to me and dressing me

1796
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 8: down quite forcefully, and he was very upset with me,

1797
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 8: and you know, it was it was one of those

1798
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 8: things that I was like, wow, like he's got quite

1799
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 8: a temper.

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01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: Oh so he invited you there basically to like humiliate

1801
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: you effectively, or to have a chance to yell at

1802
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: you in public.

1803
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 9: I don't.

1804
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 8: I don't know. I don't know if it was that.

1805
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 8: You know, this is a person who's very mercurial and changes.

1806
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 8: He could have screamed at me in a way that

1807
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 8: caused others to look. I don't think others who are

1808
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 8: at that party would would remember or were conscious of, Oh,

1809
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 8: Puff has given it to Torre. Yeah, he have said

1810
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 8: all right, forget it, let's move forward and embrace him

1811
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 8: and help make him think like he's still cool with us. Interesting,

1812
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 8: and then saw me and got mad and that, you know,

1813
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 8: I mean I saw multiple emotional reactions in the phone conversation.

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01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Right like, yeah.

1815
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 8: So I don't know that it was a setup. I mean,

1816
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 8: that would be a long way to go first set.

1817
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 8: I don't think it was that. I think that he

1818
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 8: just changes emotionally from moment to moment. There's so many

1819
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 8: moments when he does something he gets super triggered and

1820
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 8: his explodes and then next thing you know, he's on

1821
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 8: his knees begging someone to please forgive him for what

1822
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 8: he did. So there's rapid emotional changes coming from this

1823
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 8: person and Tori.

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01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of chatter about who could potentially

1825
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: be caught up in this next. Are there other big

1826
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: name celebrities who may also be implicated, who may also

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: go down? Because, I mean, the federal government is alleging

1828
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: this is a racketeering scheme, like this was a criminal enterprise.

1829
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Do you have any insight into who's getting nervous, who

1830
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: should be nervous, if anyone's nervous any of that.

1831
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 8: I mean, there's one name. I mean, you know, Cuba

1832
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 8: Gooding Junior did some things that should have him nervous.

1833
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 8: These are in a criminal complaint that's already a lawsuit

1834
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 8: that's already out there. But here's the thing. A lot

1835
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 8: of people seem to think that Puff will be able

1836
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 8: to snitch on others and thus reduce his time or

1837
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 8: get out of this entirely, and that completely misunderstands the

1838
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 8: situation that we are in and what it means to

1839
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 8: cooperate with the government. He would have to say, I

1840
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 8: can tell you about a massive criminal conspiracy, far bigger

1841
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 8: than the one that I am involved in, and one

1842
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 8: that you need me to help you. Like if he's

1843
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 8: a mid level mobster and the government is like, we

1844
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 8: don't know how to get the top guy, and he's like,

1845
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 8: I can explain to you how to get the top guy,

1846
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 8: or I can explain to you how to take down

1847
01:29:55,160 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 8: this other family that is something, but Puff cannot say, Hey, hey,

1848
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,919
Speaker 8: you know what, this rapper, this basketball player, this governor

1849
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 8: whatever came to my party and he did X, Y

1850
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 8: and Z. Okay, that's a year off your sentence. No, no,

1851
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 8: no, no no. You are the regular leader of this. You

1852
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 8: are the facilitator, creator of the situation. There's no way

1853
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 8: that he's going to be able to talk his way

1854
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 8: out of this.

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01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: Gotcha?

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01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: Got it?

1857
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 1: Well, guys, go give Tori a followers subscribe on substat

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Speaker 1: culture fries and also over on TikTok, where people have

1859
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: been very interested in what you have to say, as

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Speaker 1: we are here as well, and very grateful for your time.

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