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Speaker 1: Now, the Shotgun Starting Golf is full of mathematics. There's

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate to you just exactly how we do a

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Speaker 2: And go alright, alright, alright, did.

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Speaker 3: No man dark you are greedy to welcome to a

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Speaker 3: Friday edition of The Shotgun Start. It is July tenth, Andy,

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Speaker 3: how we do it, Brendan, I'm doing I gotta say fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I uh, I will I.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't want this to be a complaint

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Speaker 2: off the top, oh, but more of just a point

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Speaker 2: that we were talking about really that you've brought to

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Speaker 2: You know, this is a drum you've been banging. There

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Speaker 2: has to be some sort of of thought here with scheduling.

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Speaker 2: I woke up early this morning and I went I

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Speaker 2: turned on the golf channel. I was so excited for

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Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: what is technically a women's major, not conflicting with one

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Speaker 2: of the weeks that we get early morning PGA Tour golf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's coffee golf, but at brunch time they're not right.

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Speaker 3: Why can't the Scottish open beyond? Why can't it just beyond?

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Speaker 3: I know there's streaming options maybe somewhere preacher groups, there's

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Speaker 3: networks for everything innermural volleyball and pit putt putt, and like,

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Speaker 3: why can't we just spread it out I or or

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Speaker 3: change the schedule. Look, I want to be Uh, there

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Speaker 3: will be many weeks of on Wii and fatigue and disinterest.

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Speaker 3: This is not one of them. This is not a stretch.

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Speaker 3: These are the good days.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: It was just so delightful to wake up to highlights

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Speaker 3: and the commentary with the new accents, the new new

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Speaker 3: These are these are the good days, and there are

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Speaker 3: many that are full of on Wii. But yes, it

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Speaker 3: scott Is Open coverage. It's a problem.

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Speaker 2: It just it just feels like there's so many weeks

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Speaker 2: a weekly basis, there's so many there's legitimately forty eight weeks,

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Speaker 2: maybe fifty weeks a year. You know, if you take

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Speaker 2: away the Women's Open, I'll say the Women's Open, and

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Speaker 2: Women's Open, the Senior Open and the Open. Every other

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Speaker 3: The Scottish Open is one of those weeks.

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Speaker 5: And the van is one of the other weeks they

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Speaker 3: You know what it worked really well? What last week?

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Speaker 2: Maybe he feels like he got something off his chest

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Speaker 3: The vote kind of but not not voting against. He

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Speaker 2: They say they say that to play your best golf,

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Speaker 2: Or just like if you like to like to have conversation,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some skill elements I do think like the and

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Speaker 2: but the the idea, all of those, all those qualities

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Speaker 2: Operate under some strategic principles like I've always said this

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Speaker 2: Scott was always like listen, like you you didn't reinvent

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Speaker 3: To this point, Padrig's answer came like within the context

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I totally I totally agree with

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Speaker 3: of the year, after he's missed three cuts. But he

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Speaker 3: has his process and his priorities, and I think lobbing

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Speaker 3: grenades from the couch is easy.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm working on a news Yeah, like I actually

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Speaker 2: about like who most needs like the major, and like

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Speaker 2: I've started to kind of put guys into categories, and

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Speaker 2: like there's a category that I have without a major,

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Speaker 2: it's a last year, and I have Scotty Scheffler and

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Speaker 2: rom there, and like what was interesting to me is

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Speaker 2: like I did not I did not think Bryson should

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Speaker 2: be in that category because I don't think pro golf

445
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Speaker 2: is like necessary, Like I don't think he's going to

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Speaker 2: feel like it's a last year. And I struggles actually

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Speaker 2: like with a category where like where categorically he falls.

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Speaker 2: Like when you think about like it's the last it's

449
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Speaker 2: coming up on the last major of the year, and

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Speaker 2: like then you have nine months until the next major

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Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's kind of make or break

452
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Speaker 2: and you have this like I have this like list

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Speaker 2: of best players without a major, you know, and it's

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Speaker 2: a growing list, as it often does, like it you know,

455
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Speaker 2: people rack up accomplishments, but like in a weird way,

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Speaker 2: I have this other list like it's like without a

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Speaker 2: major it's a last year. Then the next category is

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Speaker 2: like guys looking for their next major. It's like Justin Rose,

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Speaker 2: Colin more Cowa, Zanershoffley, and Matt Fitzpatrick, who are like

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Speaker 2: prime time competitor contenders, and for I don't actually feel

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Speaker 2: like Bryson even is on this list. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he actually and this could make me look so stupid

463
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Speaker 2: next week, I don't think he's like a legitimate content

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Speaker 2: at the tournament next week. Is that weird to think

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Speaker 2: that he's Probably not, it's weird. Part of it's like

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Speaker 2: his history with links golf.

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Speaker 3: It's probably not in the top fifteen names you would

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Speaker 3: pick for next week? Is he am on the top

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Speaker 3: five consequential player? Sure? But yeah, I think if you

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Speaker 3: start listening to the names, you're kinda scared. You're scared

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Speaker 3: off by Bryson. I think, whatever, if it makes him happy,

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Speaker 3: the YouTube stuff and it's not a last year, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: But what do you feel like as someone who's analyzing

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Speaker 3: and approaching and looking at this as you know, someone

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Speaker 3: who you know wants to call balls and strikes and

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Speaker 3: cares about the game. It's a last year. It's a

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Speaker 3: last year. You are one of the most consequential stars

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Speaker 3: of your era, and if you you go over four

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Speaker 3: in the majors, like these guys are starting to get

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Speaker 3: into the rory territory of like what Matt twenty sixteen of, Like,

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Speaker 3: all right, you've done all this stuff, but there are

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Speaker 3: four there are sixteen days where it really really matters,

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Speaker 3: and congrats on the FedEx Cup, Congrats on the Travelers,

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Speaker 3: congrats on these things. It's an interesting different era and

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Speaker 3: that's the burden of success. It's a good place to be,

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Speaker 3: but uh, yeah, it changes a little bit. Maybe it's

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Speaker 3: not always fair. I think it's it is a lost

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Speaker 3: year for Pryson if he doesn't win, but maybe not.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it already is a lost year in

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Speaker 2: the sense that I don't have a lot of hope

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Speaker 2: of this week. And obviously, you know this sets you

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Speaker 2: up for like getting completely roasted if he wins, you know,

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Speaker 2: which he could conceivably.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's really in the relem of

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Speaker 3: possibility fair.

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Speaker 2: I had one more question from this exercise that I've

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this for Tomorrow's the newsletter, Friday newsletter.

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Speaker 3: question you got? Who?

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Speaker 2: Who currently would you characterize as the best player without

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Speaker 2: a major?

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Speaker 4: P J.

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Speaker 3: I want you in on this. It's uh, it's cam Young,

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Speaker 3: Hobland fleetwood Burns. Ludvig got her up. Camon fleetwood Burns,

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Speaker 3: Ludvig got her up. Cameon, Hobland fleetwood Burns. Interesting, So

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Speaker 3: we're removing Westy in this type it you have to

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Speaker 3: be yeah, I mean Westy and Ricky are are no

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Speaker 3: longer you know, serious like that. You know, you have

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Speaker 3: to have like some level of like ability to win

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Speaker 3: the tournament for I think for the last year or

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Speaker 3: so it's been Victor. I realized Cameronyon has elevated him

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Speaker 3: into discussion. What is this reaction?

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Speaker 6: Cameron On?

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Speaker 3: Pj's look acting like I just told him. You know,

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Speaker 3: Pete crow Armstrong is good at baseball, you know, and

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Speaker 3: he's getting jammed again.

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Speaker 2: Can we do while we're there? You brought it up?

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Speaker 2: Can we we bring up peak Crow Armstrong?

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Speaker 3: Real?

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Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Sure? You got a call PJ to the carpet here.

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Speaker 2: I saw this tweet and last night, PA hits two

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Speaker 2: home runs carries the Cubs to another victory. Over the

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Speaker 2: last eighty five days, PA leads the Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: with a an ops.

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Speaker 3: He's he's also.

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Speaker 2: Far and away considered the best fielder in the sport.

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Speaker 2: So the last three months he's been the best hitter

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Speaker 2: in the sport as well as the best fielder in

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Speaker 2: the sport.

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Speaker 3: Is there any apologies that to on the any Are

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Speaker 3: you pulling back some of the PCA.

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Speaker 7: Takes at this point, I've planted my flag and I

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Speaker 7: will not recant. There will be no recanting here. I

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Speaker 7: stand by my takes. I will say the last eighty

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Speaker 7: five days, roughly eighty five days ago, it was probably

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Speaker 7: the last time you brought this up, and I instigated

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Speaker 7: this heater, So maybe this will be like a kind

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Speaker 7: of reverse flip here for you. He's made some real

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Speaker 7: strides in uh in hitting the ball and pulling the ball.

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Speaker 7: He's whiffing less, he's walking more. Which was my big

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Speaker 7: problem last year is that he literally did not make

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Speaker 7: contact with anything. No, but I I will not I

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Speaker 7: will not recant. I stand by all of my takes.

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Speaker 3: You're wearing it for eternity. You're wearing this.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, man, you just you got it. Wear it? Like,

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Speaker 3: what what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like start groveling at

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Speaker 7: the altar of PCA.

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Speaker 3: You gotta wear it. I wear these names that they

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Speaker 3: would throw these stats out, now, these other names he's

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Speaker 3: being invoked with Andy, Like is it.

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Speaker 2: Like babe Ruth and like twenty twenty so twenty homers

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Speaker 2: and twenty stolen bases last night last night and in

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Speaker 2: like under one hundred games, and he's done it now

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Speaker 2: back to back years, like it's extraordinarily fast, Like there

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Speaker 2: are very few players in the history of baseball who

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Speaker 2: have gotten to twenty twenty faster. And the players that

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Speaker 2: have done it two years in a row are like

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Speaker 2: basically all Hall of famers except or steroids abusers.

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Speaker 3: Oh p J. Yeah, sure, yeah. I mean, listen, he's

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Speaker 3: having a great year. He's a good player. Gotta wear it.

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Speaker 7: I will just say that I remember the first half

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Speaker 7: of last year and we were having a lot of

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Speaker 7: these same conversations and then what happened. So no, I

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Speaker 7: do think he has fundamentally become a better player. The

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Speaker 7: walk rates up, the whiff rates down. He has gotten better.

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Speaker 7: I do not expect as big of a second half

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Speaker 7: drop off. This is more sustainable than it was last year.

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Speaker 7: You know, guys improve when they're twenty six. It happens

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Speaker 7: like that. That that that is how this works. You

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Speaker 7: just talked about linear progression and whatnot for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 7: Happens in every sport. Happen to wear it. I'll wear

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Speaker 7: it forever.

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Speaker 3: You know what? Fine? Fine, what of the worst trades

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Speaker 3: of Mets history? Who do the Mets have? What's they got?

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Speaker 3: Six months of highly Bias?

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Speaker 7: Six six games of Favier Bias, who I might add,

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Speaker 7: was incredible for the Mets, did not make the playoffs,

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Speaker 7: but had a great half a season.

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Speaker 3: And then he went to Detroit. Is that where he landed? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I might have traded away the best center fielder of

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Speaker 3: a generation. Yeah, I mean they did. It's not an

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Speaker 3: important position. No, it's not high value.

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Speaker 7: Ewing aj Ewing's on lists with crazy people. He's only

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty one or whatever he is. We're fine, we're

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Speaker 7: chilling over here.

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Speaker 3: We're good. God, You're just gonna wear this forever. You

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Speaker 3: made it took you made a stance one random day

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Speaker 3: in whatever July of twenty twenty five or four. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you're just where stance.

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Speaker 7: I was right because I was telling you about that

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Speaker 7: it was wildly unsustainable.

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Speaker 3: And then he sucked and it was like, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: here we go. I was back. Now he's back, and.

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Speaker 7: We'll see if it's sustainable again again. I do not

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Speaker 7: expect him to be as bad as it got last year.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back and then you could pop back at

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Speaker 3: Andy when he started. You know what you should have

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Speaker 3: You should have known.

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Speaker 2: When you're hanging out with Caleb a bunch Caleb knows

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Speaker 2: knows the guy's got it.

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Speaker 3: Caleb does Caleb Caleb is. That's a good sign. That's

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Speaker 3: a green flag.

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Speaker 6: First, I am.

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Speaker 2: It makes me more optimistic about modest buzzellous. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: onto best player without a major. I mean we were

653
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Speaker 2: just talking.

654
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Speaker 7: Uh can'tley for a while there, can't we not even

655
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 7: in the conversation anymore? For you, if he picked one

656
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 7: off eventually, he probably would you be surprised.

657
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: I would not be. No, no, there we'll throw in there.

658
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: He's more accomplished than a handful of his names in

659
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: terms of PGA.

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Speaker 2: To a resume, I think, yeah, there's like an element

661
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: of this of resume plus like how good you are

662
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, playing and how good like you know, the

663
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Speaker 2: the idea of how good.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be, you know, where you have like

665
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: your Ludwig and you're you know, got her up. I

666
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: mean I think got Her probably belongs on this list, right, Yeah, sure,

667
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean he's played like five majors essentially, since he's

668
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: a pro Ludwig similar not a lot. It's a combo there,

669
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Speaker 3: Like if you if you're like Fleet would should certainly

670
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Speaker 3: be up for consideration. If you're talking about amount of

671
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: time he's been out there, a lot of work he's

672
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: put in, whether it's winning events or contending or being

673
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: an elite player. Bankfleet would be would be an option

674
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Speaker 3: for me. Cameron Young has ascended to number three in

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Speaker 3: the world, I believe, and one the fifth major PJ.

676
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: Is that your answer?

677
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 7: I think the two guys of the list that have

678
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Speaker 7: the ceiling of at some point like best player in

679
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 7: the world or Cameron Young and Victor Honlind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why'd you recoil when I mentioned Hoblind as my option?

681
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 7: Then, well, you said within the last year it would

682
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Speaker 7: have been Victor Hoblin within the last years, like the

683
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 7: only stretch of dominant.

684
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Speaker 3: I met like a year and a half before. Sorry,

685
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: I met like prior to the Yeah, I think those

686
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Speaker 3: two have the highest ceiling. I don't know.

687
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Speaker 7: If got Her up, got Her would probably be third

688
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 7: on my list behind those two. I think Camon Hoblin

689
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Speaker 7: have the higher ceiling.

690
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: The origins of this take and this sort of phenomenon

691
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: are like the mid thirties guy who's in the like

692
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: Phil who never got one until four and so I think, like,

693
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: just we're almost right exactly the fields anathema to throw

694
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: got Her up in there, But it's a different, I guess,

695
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: a different exercise you're doing. The thing with Tommy is

696
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: he hasn't wont he He hasn't won a lot of

697
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: event His resume is not just bursting with accomplishments, and

698
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: he's been a great player or elite player for.

699
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Speaker 2: A long people might be bad at this Tommy Fleet was.

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00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: His resume is very Ricky without the players oh man,

701
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: which like Ricky is a very very good player.

702
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to spot the lies. I mean, Tommy got

703
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: the top what Ricky's highest top five was Ricky's highest

704
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: ranking because maybe he did Big four. You know, Euros

705
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: will always go to Ryder Cup playing under the gun

706
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: of the Ryder Cup, which fleet was pretty unassailable there.

707
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 3: Oh oh, Ricky without the players, that's unfair. I don't

708
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: think that's unfair.

709
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 7: Ricky has been a big, a big topic of comparison

710
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 7: this week between Polistic and now Tom of Fleetwood. This

711
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 7: is Ricky is just a He's kind of a bell

712
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 7: Weather for takes, right.

713
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: Ricky news Pulistic had some sort of serious injury. Yeah,

714
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: he's got plenty of time to go figure that out. Now,

715
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: microfracture surgery or something. People aren't killing the guy.

716
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 7: He is getting killed. It's like an all time Anybody

717
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 7: with a microphone.

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00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: Is just heavy? Is the head heavy? Is the head

719
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: that wears the crown? Yeah, it's not fair. I would

720
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: agree that is in the commercials. That's what I mean modern,

721
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: the modern, uh, the face of it all? Right, PJ,

722
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: do you have a little game prepared for us? Who's

723
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Speaker 3: in the idea field? I asked, this is a Friday segment.

724
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Speaker 3: We do not need to do this open week.

725
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Speaker 7: No, but just to further further familiarize ourselves with the

726
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Speaker 7: open field.

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00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: So excited. Last Man's major. Very Yeah, you've got to

728
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: be able to id these guys while you're rumbling around

729
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: next week. So this is good.

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Speaker 7: So I've got some official Open headshots. We're just gonna

731
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Speaker 7: do a great, great game of who he played for?

732
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 7: Can you identify these Open Championship players? We're gonna start

733
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 7: going to try to line it up right down the

734
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Speaker 7: middle for you.

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Speaker 3: Who is this man? Burned Burger, currently first at the

736
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Speaker 3: Scottish Open rights. That's why I mean, this is what

737
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Speaker 3: we're going for. These like random guys that pop up

738
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Speaker 3: because they won. You know, they placed third at the

739
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Speaker 3: joe Burg Open in December, and we would like we

740
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: cover professional golf or dialed in, but you can't know everybody. Okay,

741
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: there you go, first place? Who is this man? Oh god?

742
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: Oh he looks like a cousin of Pavon. I was

743
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: gonna say he looks continental European, French, maybe Spanish.

744
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 7: If you'd like a hint, I will tell you that

745
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 7: this is a PGA tour player, hotel planner, that's the

746
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Speaker 7: Challenge tour sponsor.

747
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: It is.

748
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: That's gonna kill me? Who is it? This is John

749
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: Perry who has been a problem this year from the

750
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: band Perry. Yeah, okay, John Perry, congrats. I couldn't pick

751
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: him out of the lineup. He's been all right on

752
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: the tour. All right. This this is a this is

753
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: a candidate early for thirst Bucket of the Week for

754
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: next week. Who is this?

755
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: Is that?

756
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: That's the uh the guy that the qualified? That was

757
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: was his story? I said he was the Ryan Peak

758
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: of this year. Right. I do remember you saying that

759
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: about somebody. I do not remember if it was this

760
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: guy or not. He's not Scanda German. This is giving.

761
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: It might coming across like just profiling people by their looks.

762
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: Which is the game? Full Adidas kid German? Who is it?

763
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 7: This is Tiger Christiansen. Oh, the number one bio. He's

764
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 7: twenty two years old. The first line of his bio

765
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Speaker 7: on the official open website is there is no Tiger

766
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Speaker 7: Woods at Royal Birkdale this year, but there's twenty two

767
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 7: year old German Tiger christians.

768
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: There we go, Tiger Christiansen. This is I mean this

769
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: open field, we get some interesting characters in it. What else?

770
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Speaker 7: I like this guy's sunglasses he's wearing. He's wearing kind

771
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 7: of like Bryce Harper Pitt Vipers here.

772
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think I have this one. Okay, is this

773
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: uh Frank Laporta. It is Frank Laporta. Hell yeah, Matt

774
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 3: Laporta's older brother.

775
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 7: I love's older brother. It is Frank Laporta.

776
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: I love the song. How the hell did he get

777
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: in the field, Let's find out.

778
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

779
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Speaker 7: He was one of three players to qualify at the

780
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Speaker 7: Investech South African Open Championship in March.

781
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: That's insane, all right, Frank Laporta.

782
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 7: Now this, this man is described as a stalwart of

783
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 7: the Open Championship.

784
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 3: That's a big bad Sean Morra. Norris is a big

785
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: bad Sean Norris.

786
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 7: Described as a quote regular feature at the Open.

787
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: You know what, you know what? They're almost to the

788
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: capital p problem, Sean an open problem. That's a big Norris.

789
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: All right.

790
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 7: He cruised to victory at the Miszudo Open, an Open

791
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 7: qualifying Series event at the end of May.

792
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: That would be Sean Norris right there. All right? Two

793
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: more for you? Who is this.

794
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: Was like a mixture Bowery and Jordan Smith got like

795
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: chipmunk cheeks.

796
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: I I have no idea, I don't know.

797
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 7: This is a member Royal Birkdale. We're gonna hear about

798
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 7: that this week. Englishman Matthew Baldwin.

799
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh, okay Baldwin, all right qualified. I want to say

800
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with some of these stories. I just you know,

801
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: I can't keep this one. This one. We know who

802
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: this is? But can you identify him? Who is this? I?

803
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: I don't know who this is? Matthew Southgate coming on

804
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: last time.

805
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: South Gates had such a fixture of our lives. I

806
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: can't believe I didn't recognize him, you know, I.

807
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 7: I thought that you might have a chance. So that

808
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 7: was just a brief little game. Familiarize yourself with the

809
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 7: people on your television screens at three a m.

810
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: Next week the Star. It is a great annual right

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Speaker 3: of like who is that? And how did they get in?

812
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 3: Frank Laporta, you smashed that. Well, yeah, that's good.

813
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: I like it.

814
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: Let's get it. We know that the bottom of the

815
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: field is interesting, uh pageant, So thank you for doing that.

816
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: All right? Should we get to Mercedes Flashback Friday with

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Speaker 3: KVV Should we hop to that. Let's bring in Kevin

818
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Speaker 3: van Volckemberg. All right, let's do a little flashback Friday

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836
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Speaker 3: of our Open Championship coverage and this Flashback Friday for

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Speaker 3: which we are bringing in the great Kevin van Volkenberg

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Speaker 3: from his home state of Montana. I believe the next

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Speaker 3: time I will see you will be across the pond.

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Speaker 3: It will not be Montana, it will be England. So

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00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of travel ahead of you. KVV welcome.

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00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: Where are we going for this flashback?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

844
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 8: I wanted to take you back to the nineteen sixty

845
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Speaker 8: one Open Championship. We're Bill Birkdale's on our minds. Let's

846
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 8: go back to one of the most iconic things that's

847
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 8: ever happened at Birktale. But before we get there, I

848
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 8: think it's important to set up kind of what the

849
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 8: Open Championship meant in this time period. So when Gary

850
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 8: Player won the Open at Mierfield in nineteen fifty nine,

851
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 8: not a single American was in the field that year.

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00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 8: The Open was Yes, the Open was on the verge

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Speaker 8: of kind of becoming just a regional championship, sorry to say,

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Speaker 8: but even though Hogan had won it, you know, at

855
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 8: Carnoustie many years before, it just really wasn't worth the

856
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 8: trip for a lot of Americans. This is you know,

857
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 8: the majors were the majors, but it wasn't quite the

858
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 8: same in this time period. And the man that we

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Speaker 8: credit In fact, even British writers, as I'm going to

860
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 8: read something to you in a bit British writers' credit

861
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 8: with reviving the sort of prestige of the Open Championship

862
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 8: was Arnold Palmer. In nineteen sixty when the championship was

863
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 8: at St. Andrews, Arnold Palmer came and played in the

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00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 8: Championship for the first time. The reason that he said

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Speaker 8: he did it is because it was sort of always

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Speaker 8: nagged at him as he sort of grew in prestige

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Speaker 8: that his father had told him. His father, Deacon, I

868
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 8: told him you really can't be a great player unless

869
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 8: you're an international player. I wanted Palmer to sort of,

870
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 8: you know, tour around the world and sort of show

871
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 8: off his father.

872
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: Deacon was super important person to him.

873
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: That's kind of like an incredible perspective, right. Deacon's you know,

874
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: the grounds he's the mow in the lawn. He's the

875
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: groundskeeper riding the mower in the hills of Pennsylvania down

876
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Right, And this sort of has this

877
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: worldly view of like, you need to be an international

878
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 3: player for your son at a time when it seems like,

879
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 3: you know, Americans weren't necessarily taking that view a lot.

880
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

881
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 8: Interesting, Yeah, I maybe maybe Deacon certainly a more worldly

882
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 8: person than maybe giving.

883
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 6: Credit for in some respects so hard.

884
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 8: But yeah, I already went to Saint andrew in nineteen

885
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 8: sixty and finished second to Australian Ken Nagel. He had

886
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 8: won the first two majors that year, which is part

887
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 8: of the reason why he really wanted to go. He thought,

888
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 8: you know, if I can win all the majors in

889
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 8: sort of one year, everyone will sort of say, like,

890
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 8: this guy did an amazing feat. But he in some

891
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 8: ways he basically took it at a loss to go

892
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 8: to Saint Andrews and said, when I finished second at

893
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 8: Saint Andrews, my expenses were probably one thousand dollars more

894
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 8: than what I made. So there was some reluctance from

895
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 8: a lot of the other tour pros. So again, Palmer

896
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 8: goes back to the Open Championship the following year at

897
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 8: Birkdale in nineteen sixty one, and he's he's still determined

898
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 8: to win it. He's in fact, he convinces Jack Nicholas

899
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 8: to go. So there's another sort of American in the field.

900
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 8: And in nineteen sixty one it's the wind is so

901
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 8: strong during the first two rounds that back then they

902
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 8: did not have the traditional sort of one round Thursday, Friday,

903
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 8: Saturday Sunday. They would play one round on Thursday and

904
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 8: then two rounds on Friday, the third and the second

905
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 8: and third rounds, and then they would play the final

906
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 8: round on Saturday. Well, the it was so windy that

907
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 8: on on Friday, the third and fourth rounds were basically canceled.

908
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 8: You know, you know how like windy it has to

909
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 8: get yeah, over in England and Scotland for for them

910
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 8: to cancel the rounds.

911
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 6: So Palmer's doing well, he's playing well.

912
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 8: You know back then too, you didn't get to bring

913
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 8: your own caddy, certainly the expenses of it would have limited.

914
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 8: So he he gets paired up with a you know,

915
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 8: with a caddy over there, Tip Anderson is his name,

916
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 8: and so yeah, local caddy. So he Arnot Palmer's in

917
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 8: the mix. He's playing really well. And in the final round, uh,

918
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 8: he comes you know. This is what one sort of

919
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 8: English writer described as the wind as being so strong

920
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 8: that it would send it was sending milk crates through

921
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 8: the air like kites. But Arnie comes out and He

922
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 8: birdies five of the first six holes of this sort

923
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 8: of fun round. So he's grinded away and he comes

924
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 8: to what is the fifteenth hole at the time, now

925
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 8: is the sixteenth It might even be changed.

926
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 6: His neighbors stuff.

927
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 8: But he hits a drive and he says, I thought

928
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 8: it was a very good shot, but the ball kicked

929
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 8: to the right, and when I got there it was

930
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 8: in the deep rough. I took a little time over it,

931
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 8: I guess, and I took out a six iron and

932
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 8: I swung as hard as I've ever swung a club

933
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 8: in my life. I cut enough hay to feed cows

934
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 8: for a year. The ball came flying out very well

935
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 8: and landed on the front of the green and rolled

936
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 8: up to about fifteen feet from the hole. So he

937
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 8: had prior to this, he'd had sort of an argument

938
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 8: with his caddy. Caddy really wanted him to pitch out.

939
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 8: He was like, you know what, screw this, I can

940
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 8: get to it. And the ball was kind of like

941
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 8: in a BlackBerry bush. It was sort of sitting there

942
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 8: and it became kind of this iconic shot in English golf.

943
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 8: This is the writer Michael McDonald said this years later,

944
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 8: not even a Tornado could have wrenched it so freely

945
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 8: or so cleanly. Some would swear afterwards that the ground

946
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 8: shook beneath them as Palmer's club cleaved through the bush

947
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 8: from his path. Or maybe it was just the gods

948
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 8: groaning their surrender because Palmer was free of all of

949
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 8: them and at last could proceed to his first British

950
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 8: Open title. It set the pattern for which other world

951
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 8: class Americans who wished to stand in comparison had to

952
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 8: follow after Palmer.

953
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: They all came.

954
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 8: So Arnie ends up winning that championship, and then of

955
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 8: course wins and trooon the following year.

956
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 6: This is only two Open Championship titles.

957
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 8: But one kind of anecdote that I thought was kind

958
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 8: of fascinating is he was in the clubhouse at Birkdale

959
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 8: with the Clare jug sort of you know, in the

960
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 8: waiter came over to him and said there was someone

961
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 8: who was wanting to speak to him a long distance call.

962
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 6: Was he willing to take the call? And I was like, sure.

963
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 8: It was Walter Hagen, the first American who ever won

964
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 8: the Open Championship calling him, and he just wanted to

965
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 8: congratulate Arnie. And it talked about how like you know

966
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 8: when Haig talked about how when he went over there,

967
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 8: he pulled up his you know, fancy car to the

968
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 8: his Pierce Arrow in front of the Saint George's clubhouse,

969
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 8: and they wouldn't let him go inside to basically like

970
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 8: change his clothes and stuff and choose because he was

971
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 8: a professional and that was sort of verboten and professionals

972
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 8: looked down upon. So Haig just parked his car out

973
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 8: in front of Saint George's all week and used it

974
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 8: as a dressing group. He sort of explain to Palmer

975
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 8: what this meant to him, and they got very close

976
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 8: over the years. And this is an anecdote I had

977
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 8: never heard before, but Hagen asked Palmer to be a

978
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 8: pallbearer at his funeral and Paul when Hagen died in

979
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty nine, he was one of the pall bearers

980
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 8: for Walter Hagen.

981
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: That's cool, connecting, very cool. That's that's a lot of

982
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: good insight there. That's amazing.

983
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 6: End I have actually seen.

984
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 8: There was a there's a plaque where Arnie took a

985
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 8: big hack out of this bush.

986
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 6: I heard this plaque.

987
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 8: It's pretty cool, assuming that they didn't plow over it

988
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 8: during the recent job.

989
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: That's in the middle of a sandscript. Yeah, that's that's

990
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: that's a there's a lot of connection. God, that's provoking,

991
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: like a lot of big thoughts, like sort of ten

992
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: thousand foot of the view thoughts about you know Palmer.

993
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: You know, he obviously got emotional when I went to

994
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: the old course the last time I think that was

995
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, right where he was like and thinking about

996
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 3: his history there and then connecting it to Hagen as

997
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: the first American and I think, you know, you got

998
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: this guy from the hills of Pennsylvania, as we talked about,

999
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it's blowing. Now green speeds

1000
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: weren't what they were, but it's blown enough to cancel

1001
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: two rounds. And then he comes out and it's blowing similarly,

1002
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: I guess to move milk rates and he kind of

1003
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 3: gets through it. It's probably not a lot of golf.

1004
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: He had not seen a lot before. Yeah, you know,

1005
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: played in some windy Texas days and things like that.

1006
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: But just think about the challenge of like playing in

1007
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: the foreign land but embracing it and taking it on

1008
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: and I don't know, just the whole when you hear

1009
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: dogmatic stuff of like we do it this way because

1010
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: that's how we always done it and play two rounds

1011
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: on Friday and on a round on Saturday. It's like

1012
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff has been flexible over the years, Yes, for.

1013
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: Sure, including what we're majors and what we're not major.

1014
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but after this is kind of slidified, if

1015
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 8: what it was, at least after Saint Andrews.

1016
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of a you know, I think

1017
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: that's the world doesn't revolve around Americans, even though some do,

1018
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: Like I think we're a pretty critical market and critical

1019
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: piece of the sports landscape, and we've seen this in

1020
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: the World Cup. But you know, I think that's still

1021
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: a thing. A priority for the Open, right is like

1022
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: how are we the world's major? But how do we

1023
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: become vis a vis the PGA US Open, you know masters,

1024
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: how do we become more prominent in America? And obviously,

1025
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: like sounds like Palmer really saved it in a prior

1026
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: era where it would be it could have been I

1027
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: don't know, like the Italian Open or the French Open.

1028
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: It exists, but not really a thing over here. I

1029
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: don't know that could have been a million ways. There's

1030
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: safeguards for the me but it sounds like there was

1031
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: a jeopardy there.

1032
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: If the tour could rewrite history block the Open from

1033
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: being the fourth may being one of the four majors.

1034
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: What tour event? Do you think they were thrust into

1035
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: that position? Right now? The players are eastlike right, No, well,

1036
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: outside the player let's say travelers, just a gym traveler.

1037
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that's the Travelers. What do you think,

1038
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: Kevin or Andy? What do you guys think? That's a

1039
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: good question.

1040
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 8: I mean I could see like them thinking like Pebble

1041
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 8: Beach was a major, like the Crosby. You know, the

1042
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 8: Crosby thing was clam Bank was pretty important to the

1043
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 8: kind of growth of the tour with celebrities paying attention

1044
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 8: to it and all that. You know what if we

1045
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 8: had a major that was like around at Pebble, around

1046
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 8: in Cyprus, around at Spyglass, around around finishing again at Pebble,

1047
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 8: it would be the worst.

1048
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, with the prow in.

1049
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: There trying to USG would lose an anchor site. If

1050
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: if the PGA tour came in and it was put

1051
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: that one up there for you on the tee, all right, Kevin.

1052
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us for the Flashback Friday. We

1053
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: are very excited to read you from England. Listen to you.

1054
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: You'll be on Shotgun next week. We'll both be at

1055
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: Southport and Birkdale. You'll be writing for the newsletter. We

1056
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: have our Mercedes Hub. We'll be humming on the website,

1057
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 3: flying around.

1058
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 7: UH.

1059
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: Can't wait to get over there with you. Thanks for

1060
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 3: joining us, dudent.

1061
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 6: You bet you see soon.

1062
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 3: All right. Thanks to KVV for his time. Can't wait

1063
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: to get with him over in England. Now we're going

1064
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: to bring in another Friday Golf contributor, Matthew Gallaway, former

1065
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: caddie on the LPGA, contributing writing for us on various

1066
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: sundry of items lp G, a women's golf amateur as

1067
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: a mid am himself, he is an ardent defender of

1068
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: the aviand which he won't find friendly quarter in this space.

1069
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: We consistently refer to it as a fake major. But

1070
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: he has his reasons which he wrote about as well.

1071
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: So we wanted to bring to him in. Put him on,

1072
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: Put him on the uh the stand, the witness stand,

1073
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: and testify as to why he likes avy on. We

1074
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: might make this a segment of like, are you just

1075
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: rage baiting us or is this a real Is this

1076
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: a real take that has merit? We we might we

1077
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: might develop flush this out even zig zag zigger zag.

1078
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: So bringdon Matthew Galloway for maybe the world's only well

1079
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: one of our in our world only defender.

1080
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: Anyone anyway, it's him and anyone who has won the Avion.

1081
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: Sure sure or eat one. Now let's get the mattew

1082
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: A right. We now bring in Matthew Galloway, who is

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Speaker 3: many things, one of them that contributor to fridagg enterprises

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Speaker 3: both written word podcasts, video on Riviera preview video, hopefully

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Speaker 3: to bring him in more. He is also an accomplished

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Speaker 3: amateur golfer. I'm going to use that word accomplished. You're

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Speaker 3: of mid Am Goller, an avid amateur golf for a

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01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: caddy one looped for Michelle Wee and others looped at

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Speaker 3: Royal Birkdale. I believe right when the Women's Open was

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Speaker 3: there is a different.

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Speaker 9: I never did that one.

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: I looped lim, but I also went out to Brokedale

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Speaker 4: every afternoon.

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Speaker 3: And played you did. Okay, We're back at lovem this

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Speaker 3: year for the women obviously brokedale next week for the men. Matthew,

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Speaker 3: having been on tour caddie on the LPGA, has you

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Speaker 3: know it's safe spaces, I would say, declared his affinity

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Speaker 3: for the Avon Championship, And uh, that is a bold

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Speaker 3: take to make in this crowd, especially in this company generally.

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01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: I positive the other day that it was a fake major,

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: maybe at a sort of over emotional rant, but we've

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: we've posited that for many years now that it has

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: essentially bought its way into major status. Not totally unheard

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: of in the majors, but but a modern sort of

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 3: anomaly where it was, hey, here's a bunch of money,

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01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: we would like this to happen. Can it happen? And

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Speaker 3: history be damned, this will become a major. It was

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01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: beset by weather issues, beset by shorter finishes, beset by

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: you know, it's just maybe not at the most architecturally

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Speaker 3: significant or historic golf course, and it's always at the

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01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: same golf course or the same locale beautiful, and it's

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Speaker 3: just and there were four already if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 3: And so that's sort of where it's you're fighting an

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Speaker 3: uphill battle with what I would call our crowd a

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01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: little more purists, a little more, you know historically in Clyde,

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Speaker 3: and if it's not going to be on a great

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Speaker 3: golf course, then we get And there were there were years.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Matthew, we're giving you the floor

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01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: here while trying to set up the counter, there were

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Speaker 3: where some of the top pros would skip it. Am

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: I is that my misremembering things? Or Lexi would right

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: there was.

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Speaker 4: Stacy Lewis was often vocal about not playing until some

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 4: things were changed.

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Speaker 9: Lexi was vocal one year from bad conditions.

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01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 4: She also missed the cut. I think that had something

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01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 4: to do with it. Little lack of maturity there, but hey,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to go down that road. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: The Evian's is not perfect by any means. I think

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Speaker 9: there was.

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Speaker 4: I would call it that like the dark era of

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Speaker 4: Evion was from when it became a major in twenty thirteen.

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 4: It was announced twenty eleven, first played a major in

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen until twenty nineteen when they moved it out

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 4: of September. That whole seven year period stuck. It was

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 4: not a good thing to not go well.

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Speaker 9: You had two rain shorten events.

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Speaker 3: I think, do you know to put you on the spot,

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Speaker 3: how was it on tour as a regular event before

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Speaker 3: it just became how lot? Was that a law and tenure?

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Speaker 9: So here we actually have some history here. This is

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Speaker 9: this is my whole argument, I think.

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 4: And the current makeup of LPGA Majors Avion blows Chevron

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Speaker 4: out of the water.

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Speaker 9: Wow as a major.

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 4: Provocative like if you want to get rid of one

1147
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Speaker 4: and make it four because we have to have an

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Speaker 4: even number, send Chevron back to the oil fields for

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01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 4: we're gone. Like because you have some history there, do

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01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 4: you say nineteen ninety four seems young or it doesn't

1151
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 4: seem that much history.

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Speaker 9: That's thirty thirty plus years and.

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Speaker 4: We're getting old Brandon nineteen ninety four fields like yesterday.

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Speaker 4: But we're old people now. So the event started in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four. Front Provoue you know chairman and Dan

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01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: and Avon company you know, started this event as kind

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 4: of like the showcase European Golf. It was a big

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Speaker 4: lat event. But the big thing is they had a

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Speaker 4: massive purse back then, like the most Funny Golf was

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Speaker 4: a regular event. It was lat event until two thousand.

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Speaker 4: It kind of became a co sanction event was always

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Speaker 4: called the Avion Masters. Their whole mission was to make

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Speaker 4: it some European Masters things. They have the kind of

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Speaker 4: they put up the green chairs around eighteen. It feels

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Speaker 4: very intimate and the parties are.

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Speaker 3: Grand green chairs around eighteen.

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Speaker 4: If they had the static green little pop up chairs

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Speaker 4: around around the eighteenth green.

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Speaker 3: The funny part is little moved like yeah, I know soccer.

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Speaker 4: The best part is though they had to move it

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Speaker 4: back to when they moved it September to rain so

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 4: much they had to go put holes in them because

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 4: they filled up with the rain so much so the

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Speaker 4: water train out of.

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Speaker 3: Their chairs outto Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's just kind of like little hillside

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Speaker 4: mountain golf course. The Avyan family built it around their

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 4: whole water thing basically the you know, water runs down

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Speaker 4: the mountain. You have the short source Chalet des Avion

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: whatever my French is not great.

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Speaker 3: For twenty dollars bottle in the airports and all that.

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Speaker 4: But the funny thing is do you have the shorts

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Speaker 4: the source chalet in town and like people come into

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Speaker 4: town with the bottles and filled up for free.

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Speaker 3: Ah okay, that's kind of cool either way.

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Speaker 9: So it became this big event.

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Speaker 4: You know, King co sanctioned to two thousand l T

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Speaker 4: LPGA avyon Master small field like ninety players like cut

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 4: to seventy kind of like best field in golf. All

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Speaker 4: the players have come over because it's the most money.

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Speaker 4: It was like the most money of any event outside

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Speaker 4: of a major. And so you flash forward to twenty eleven,

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 4: it's kind of there became this tension between you know,

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 4: Frank and Evyon folks of like, hey, we have the

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 4: highest person women's golf alongside the Women's Open, US Women's Open.

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Speaker 4: Every other major had a less lesser purse, like like

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Speaker 4: we're locking three point twenty five small money then, but

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Speaker 4: we had Craft of Bisco was two million. Women's Open

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Speaker 4: US Someone's opened three point twenty five, same as ebyon.

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Speaker 4: The LPGA Championship before even KPMG and the PGA of

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 4: America got involved, was two point twenty five, and the

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Speaker 4: Women's British Open, which didn't become a major till two

1203
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 4: thousand and one. So there's a lot of like weird

1204
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: history between majors an LPGA, Like there's been eight different

1205
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 4: tournaments have been a major throughout the history of the LPGA,

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01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 4: if you check the notes and so, you have this

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 4: event that's not a major gives the most money to anyone,

1208
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 4: and so the I think there was this tension of

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01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 4: like they had to do something where everyone's gonna walk

1210
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 4: as a sponsor, You're gonna let Evon walk, and you're

1211
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 4: gonna lose one of your gender most generous sponsors to

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 4: the sake of not appeasing them. I guess it's kind

1213
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 4: of like a stronghold LPG. But if you're Mike want,

1214
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 4: what decision do you make?

1215
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Speaker 9: Right, that's the whole Like you think it's got bought

1216
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 9: and paid for. But like the money was already there,

1217
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 9: the field was alread average.

1218
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the field was already good.

1219
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 4: You had great winners. I mean, I mean Onica stor

1220
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 4: and stand won a bunch. You had like a I Muzato,

1221
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 4: m B Park, Paula Kreamer got like her first win there,

1222
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 4: Julie Yankster's one, you got a very or now that

1223
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 4: gold has got her only LPGA win at Avon, which

1224
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 4: is kind of a fun fact, really.

1225
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 9: Is kind of a big deal.

1226
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 3: And so I mean the start window with YouTube golf God,

1227
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Speaker 3: she would have been making. She would have did well

1228
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 3: without having you know, assive resume of winds. But god,

1229
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: if she was in the youtubeer.

1230
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Speaker 4: Well, golf baby or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,

1231
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to get canceled, don't so.

1232
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, it had this position of golf.

1233
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: It was kind of like this unofficial fifth Major kind

1234
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: of thing.

1235
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 9: All the players went.

1236
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 4: The fields were really good, I mean, small field. It

1237
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: kind of had that feel to it, intimate, like it's

1238
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 4: kind of a cool. Obviously, the scenery is great. You

1239
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 4: wax poetically about that, the lake's cool. I guess when

1240
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 4: you ask you ask you what makes a major, Brennan,

1241
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 4: you have history, you have some kind of history.

1242
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 3: There's history in that it existed in nineteen ninety five.

1243
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 3: I guess.

1244
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1245
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 4: It built up this accolade of like being one of

1246
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 4: the premiere events on the LP. Okay, it wasn't just

1247
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 4: a thin out of thin air that made this thing

1248
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: in major out of nowhere.

1249
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 9: So there was some kind of like pretext there.

1250
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 3: By force of money though, but not by force of quality,

1251
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 3: by force of a quality championship.

1252
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 9: Okay, the quality championship.

1253
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you could play the thing in a goat

1254
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 4: ranch and have the good best foot.

1255
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 9: Of golf is still a good championship.

1256
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it kind of a ranch on the side

1257
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 3: of the but yeah, okay.

1258
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 9: And so the dark areas well. I think what everyone

1259
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 9: got lost is when they moved it to They moved it.

1260
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 4: It used to be the summer, so it's like beautiful

1261
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 4: there in the summertime, like great summer town, Like everyone

1262
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 4: goes there, it's a great tourist town.

1263
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 9: They moved it to September when like, no one's there.

1264
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: You go there in September, it's cold, the wettest month

1265
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 4: of the year, just raining, not that warm. The golf

1266
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 4: course isn't that great. Everything's so no one's in town.

1267
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 4: It kind of stopped to be honest. I was there

1268
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, why are we doing this thing?

1269
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: It's a disaster. Was that because they had the existing

1270
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: four majors, like, all right, well, let's slot the fifth

1271
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: one in September.

1272
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 4: It seemed like they wanted to spread it out and

1273
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 4: have that fifth one towards the fault because I kind

1274
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 4: of have you have a big scheduling problem now, which

1275
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 4: I that's another debate. Now.

1276
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 3: We talked about this in this episode. It's opposite Scottish Open,

1277
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: one of the rare like European events, seventh events, Gotti

1278
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: and all these people over in Europe at the same window.

1279
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 9: So okay, I mean, you guess you could argue it

1280
01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 9: finishes early.

1281
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 4: So if you and I like just watched golf, all

1282
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 4: they finish the Avon moved to the Scottish and then

1283
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 4: finish a firestone if you're really into it.

1284
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: No, okay, yeah, it has history.

1285
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they moved it. They moved at this September.

1286
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 4: It the first year they moved to the September rained

1287
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 4: short of fifty four holes, big disaster. And then the

1288
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 4: the big year they had a problem was twenty seventeen

1289
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 4: when it was just raining the whole week. The first

1290
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 4: round got started, they had this kind of this big

1291
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 4: crazy washout decision they already started the first round suspended play.

1292
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: Then they canceled the first round and everyone lost their

1293
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 4: mind over a big controversy over like washing the scores.

1294
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 4: Players were This is early days Twitter. You know, it

1295
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: got Jess Corda popping off on Twitter and all the

1296
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: others of a like and I have had an old

1297
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 4: Jeff Shako for riding on it. He just blew it

1298
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 4: out to sea like they rained, shorted out the fifty

1299
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 4: four holes.

1300
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 3: They had some mickey like the equations gone on early.

1301
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should like if you're running a major, it

1302
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,879
Speaker 4: shouldn't be fifty four holes yet all very fair, fair arguments,

1303
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 4: I think.

1304
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1305
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 4: I think this is when Mike Wam was like, all right,

1306
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 4: read need to move this thing back to the summer

1307
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:06,440
Speaker 4: to get better playing conditions.

1308
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 3: And then.

1309
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 4: The only problem with the place right now is kind

1310
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 4: of the golf course, Like you had Steve Smeyers come

1311
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 4: in and redo it. It was kind of like a short,

1312
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 4: little pitching put kind of place. Steve Smyers came in

1313
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 4: like redid the last four holes and yeah, okay, But

1314
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 4: I think the quirk becomes a bug in the feature.

1315
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 4: At the end you start thinking about from like, all right,

1316
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 4: best female golfers in the world, how we're going to

1317
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 4: challenge their games? What do you want to see challenge

1318
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 4: in the female golf perspective? Like they all hit it straight.

1319
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 3: We want some narrow fairways, some different trajectory, yes, yes,

1320
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: having to change. Yeah, maybe some money even challenges.

1321
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 9: Some get some money, even lines to the fairway. You

1322
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 9: got some small greens with a lot of weird shapes

1323
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 9: to them.

1324
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 4: You got to have some precision and where you're hitting

1325
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 4: it and where you're putting it. You don't want a

1326
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 4: bunch of flat greens with no break in the putts.

1327
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 4: I mean, and he's talked about that forever. And you've

1328
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 4: got all these factors that kind of add up to

1329
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 4: like things that challenge the best female offers in the world.

1330
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 9: Paul be it a little quirky.

1331
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 4: And then I think since they moved it back to

1332
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 4: they moved it back to June and twenty nineteen. I

1333
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 4: think that's where they have like the sweet spot of

1334
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 4: what made Evyon good. It's like the summertime, it's nice,

1335
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 4: the weather's good. You kind of have a great experience there.

1336
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 4: I know that doesn't like it's not like an experience

1337
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 4: of a tournament. But then you add in, like you

1338
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: have the best players best field in the world. I

1339
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 4: think if you add up I don't know how you

1340
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 4: calculate the best field in the world, but if you

1341
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 4: add up every single Rocks ranking of every player in

1342
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 4: the field, Avon has the best field in the women's

1343
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 4: golf Okay stronger, the Women's Open, stronger, than the British,

1344
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 4: stronger than the GPMG.

1345
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: Why so that's one that introduces more international events, more Europe,

1346
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: Like why is it started? Fewer club pros and things

1347
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 3: like qualify, Well.

1348
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 9: It's not a qualifier.

1349
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 4: They just basically go off of like top fifty in

1350
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 4: the world all like even a lot of the Koreans

1351
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 4: that aren't on tour, they get get invited. So it's

1352
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: kind of mixing the best of Europe, the best of

1353
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 4: the LPGA major winners, and some of the best amiters

1354
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 4: in the world. So that's also their fund component. Like

1355
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 4: Pharaoh keep shop. You know this is Thursday, right, Pharaoh

1356
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 4: key shut three hundred today.

1357
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 9: Right, So it's got a good mix of everything.

1358
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 4: I think, and we think about that as a whole

1359
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 4: when you think about the history and like the passive,

1360
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 4: there's actually some history there versus Chevron's moved it to this,

1361
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: you know, Doul drums in Houston, and I mean Mission

1362
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 4: Hills was never like this great architecturally golf course and

1363
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 4: Paul Springs, but everyone waxes poetically about it.

1364
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 9: But I mean you have a weird tie in.

1365
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: So your argument, though it seems to be hinging a

1366
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 3: little bit too much on what about that other bad

1367
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 3: guy over there? Are are we allowed to accept this

1368
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 3: argument because the other one is so terrible and Chevron

1369
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 3: is so has become so disastrous. I need avy On

1370
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 3: to stand more on its own merits, which I think

1371
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 3: you're also outlining a little bit more, you know what

1372
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I can't just I can't prop it

1373
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 3: up based on Chevron also being horrible.

1374
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: True, I mean, if you have chevn rebranding, what do

1375
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 4: you do with the Avon right, so it turns into

1376
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,440
Speaker 4: Avon turns into a massould.

1377
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 3: We get rid of all of it?

1378
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 4: Oh?

1379
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 9: What are you gonna have? Food trajors?

1380
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 4: I mean the problem is that in twenty eleven the

1381
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 4: LPGA tour is in like an absolute mess of a

1382
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 4: bind with the schedule. Then you have I mean, heck,

1383
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 4: I almost there's some years you look at you look

1384
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 4: at KPMG at Hazeltine.

1385
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 9: I think Avon might be better than that.

1386
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 3: That's so it's like understood, Yes, I think.

1387
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 4: I think if you have five majors, you've got to

1388
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 4: have some differentiators. And like you have the US Women's

1389
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 4: Open as you're like, you know, hard golf course even

1390
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 4: par a couple underwin aig Women's British which used to

1391
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 4: kind of stink until Afar and got involved playing at

1392
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 4: wolver in the last you know year ten years so

1393
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 4: things have changed, and I think people forget about where

1394
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 4: things were in like the two thousand and eight twenty

1395
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 4: tens of the LPGA golf like things were on the

1396
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 4: edge of like not existing. Like Mike One kind of

1397
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 4: kept the thing afloat, you know, just being a salesman

1398
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 4: on his own. I don't think he cared to you know,

1399
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 4: maybe Mike One could go back and find a better

1400
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: architect than Steve Smyer, his buddy Steve Smiers to come

1401
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 4: in and redo it. Maybe we could have found someone

1402
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 4: better than that.

1403
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, now he's mister Cathedral. At the US US

1404
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 3: Open there was a there was an over underbed about

1405
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 3: how many times did you sort cathedral in this press

1406
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: conference that I wasn't my game, it was in the

1407
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 3: front of the programs game.

1408
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 4: I think his architectural uh know how is maybe increased

1409
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 4: a little bit since taking the USA.

1410
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 3: I hope right.

1411
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 9: I've had a lot of cameras used to Mike about it.

1412
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 6: It's fun.

1413
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 4: I think he was just like living in Orlando, and

1414
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 4: he was buddies with Steve Spiders, like, hey, can you

1415
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 4: fix this place for me?

1416
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 3: Yes, well that's great. Now we have a major. All right,

1417
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 3: love that process.

1418
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 4: Okay, but I think it was already kind of existing

1419
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 4: as a you know, fifth major, kind of players championship

1420
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 4: per se. I don't know what do you do if

1421
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 4: your micro on in that position, if you lose, if

1422
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 4: you say, the LPGA Championship goes away, it would have

1423
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 4: been the fourth major anyway.

1424
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 9: So kind of like, okay, you were protecting yourself.

1425
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 3: All justifiable, all justifiable, totally understand his circumstances. I cast

1426
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, I'm still analyzing whether it's a

1427
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: major that now, like is this if those are the

1428
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 3: circumstances in which it was.

1429
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 4: Born more than a someone bind I will say that

1430
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 4: that's my.

1431
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, was already there. It's one of those things

1432
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 3: where I got to be honest, I'm the judge. It's

1433
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: one of those and you just got a full dock

1434
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 3: it and you don't even look in the like, I'm

1435
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 3: not looking this file. This is a basic you know,

1436
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 3: you were distributing you know, petty theft or whatever. It

1437
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: is I'm like just not even looking at the circumstance.

1438
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm just signing off fake heavy on sponsors it. It's

1439
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 3: in this garbage golf course and I'm just like, no,

1440
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 3: I do dismiss it very quickly out of hand and

1441
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 3: just stamp it. And you have presented. I've given you

1442
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 3: the floor here to present a real case.

1443
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 4: Wait, every every other major has a title sponsor another

1444
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: women's tour.

1445
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 9: You can't have an event women's event.

1446
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: Well that really US Women's Open is born out of

1447
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 3: like being the national championship, not because Ally in nineteen

1448
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 3: twenty five was like I want a major, and now

1449
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: we're going to be a major KPMG now, which has

1450
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 3: elevated the entire game for sure via the Women's PGA. Yeah,

1451
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: they had history.

1452
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 9: I think I think in McDonald's was a sponsor and

1453
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 9: Ronald McDonald.

1454
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 3: And Ronald the best given orfis the trophy and all

1455
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 3: these things.

1456
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 9: Bully Rock, that's your spot.

1457
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're up there in Maryland. So like the Major

1458
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: predates the title spots here, the title spots or pushes

1459
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 3: it into major championships. That right, I mean there are

1460
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 3: some guys alps.

1461
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough because I don't think like it would

1462
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 4: the Women's British Open exist without ai G.

1463
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1464
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 4: Unfortunate thing about the women's Games. You got to attach

1465
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 4: a title sponsor to something to get you know, the

1466
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 4: money behind.

1467
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 9: I mean even even.

1468
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 4: Frank Orbo like, uh, I'm probably butchering his last name,

1469
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 4: so don't for a French, don't come after me, Frank.

1470
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 4: They do the weird thing where they both you know,

1471
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 4: kiss the girl that wins and the win on Sunday

1472
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,480
Speaker 4: and the cheek and it is just a very awkward presentation.

1473
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 9: On both sides.

1474
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 3: It's a very fun I like that. I mean those

1475
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 3: always get a little little awkward with some of these

1476
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 3: organizations and the trophy presentation. Then women are all good.

1477
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: Guy. I think he's trying to push, you know, the

1478
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 4: efforts into French golf. There's a lot of discussion behind,

1479
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 4: like the European Tour and the Open French or whatever.

1480
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 4: But at the end he kind of like he talked

1481
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 4: in this press conference on Wednesday or Tuesday, I can't

1482
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 4: believe who the day it was, but he basically was

1483
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 4: like he's getting pushed all the other like there was

1484
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 4: that point where they were the leading money giver as

1485
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 4: far as like a presenting you know, title sponsor with

1486
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 4: like biggest person golf, and they kind of got surpassed

1487
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 4: by the USGA and the you know, AIG kind of

1488
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 4: just took off, so they kind of felt like there

1489
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 4: was this tugging, tugging war match between all of them.

1490
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 4: They're kind of lagging behind to keep on pushing the

1491
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: person nine point one, and it's kind of like he's

1492
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 4: basically saying, like, you know, I'm doing this because I

1493
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 4: want to support it, but like the ends don't justify

1494
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 4: the means. It's kind of like a really frank discussion

1495
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 4: of like where the state of you know, golf's at,

1496
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 4: Like it's not worth.

1497
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 9: Doing this kind of all that.

1498
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: So it's kind of illuminating to say, like, hey, like

1499
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 4: I can't really push this to twelve million dollars out

1500
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 4: of thin air, like I got to you know, get

1501
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 4: someone to sign a check, and it's hard to get

1502
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: to be able to sign a check.

1503
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 3: So it's better than the chevron. That's an argument we're

1504
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: going with. I I appreciate you like this is you know,

1505
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 3: like a public defender, and I've given you sort of

1506
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 3: the open and shut murder but it is a hard case.

1507
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: But I feel like you have brought some substantive arguments

1508
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 3: for it. I think people just dismissed it without actually

1509
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 3: looking at the particulars that you're That's the other part.

1510
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 4: I kind of started getting frustrated through the whole like

1511
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 4: online you know, golf Twitter discourse, like one person puts

1512
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 4: out an argument and it gets like not saying you

1513
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 4: were the one that I know you made. You know,

1514
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: Michael Block, I don't think you made the fake major

1515
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 4: argument the first one.

1516
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: I think. I think you're right, though I'm thinking back

1517
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 3: it's easy to pile on it. I think I'm also

1518
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 3: thinking back to that too. Much of that like dark

1519
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: era September and.

1520
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 4: Very valid stuff was going on there, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1521
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 4: the die was cast based off of that, and I

1522
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 4: think there can be things that can be fixed about.

1523
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 4: The golf course needs to be improved in ways. So

1524
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 4: do you have your you have your you get limited

1525
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 4: and like you wish you like, let's go play this

1526
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 4: thing at more Fonteine. That'd be great. But I don't

1527
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 4: think everyone's pulling this off the their their beautiful you know,

1528
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 4: water factory, because it's kind of like a yeah, you know,

1529
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 4: also like a giant party at times. Kind of how

1530
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 4: it started it was this is it started as a

1531
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 4: pro am and then it kind of turned into a

1532
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 4: big golf tournament and then you know there's stories of

1533
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 4: Laura Davies and the casino and Evon like every night

1534
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 4: kind of those.

1535
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 3: Kinds absolutely no offense to you know, Oakmont, Pennsylvania or

1536
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 3: a million other places we go from majors. This is

1537
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,440
Speaker 3: probably number one among number one in terms of destination

1538
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 3: you'd want to go to for a major.

1539
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 4: Champ next to Houston, right, Yeah, and the current iteration

1540
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 4: of LPGA majors. I think, you know, Abyon's far and

1541
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 4: above better than Chevrun.

1542
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I think women's depends on the year. I guess

1543
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 3: maybe on the venue, yeah, but.

1544
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 4: The definitely venue based, and I don't I think I

1545
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: could almost case to argue that it's better than KPMG

1546
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: in some regards as like they I think they're kind

1547
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: of they're missing about how to set up the golf course.

1548
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 4: They're trying to too much to make it too difficult,

1549
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 4: and it turns into like this weird kind of like

1550
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 4: one dimensional expossession of golf. I think if you have

1551
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 4: these brand differentiators of like how you present your turner

1552
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 4: golf tournament exists in a different kind of like it's

1553
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 4: the opposite of the Women's Open. The scores are kind

1554
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 4: of gonna be kind of low. You might have ten

1555
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 4: or twelve underwin. It's all kind of based on condition.

1556
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: I think, like you look at it this year, like

1557
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 4: they've had this massive heat wave and the place looks

1558
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 4: like it's like burnt to death, which which is kind

1559
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 4: of fun in a way different.

1560
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 3: So and then you have the kind of off the

1561
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 3: side of the mountain.

1562
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 4: Because it's yeah, fun finishes like Grace Kim last year,

1563
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 4: everyone really enjoyed that.

1564
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 3: It was kind of been finishing.

1565
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: Yeah they're fixing, Yeah, they're fixing some of the setup stuff.

1566
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 4: They used to play eighteen as a par four, which

1567
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 4: is a terrible idea. Now they're playing as a par fives.

1568
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 4: It kind of turns into a little more of a

1569
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 4: actual finish or setting up the rest of the golf

1570
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 4: course like it's a major instead of just making it

1571
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 4: like a typical LPG event. I think they're starting to

1572
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 4: learn that, So I think it kind of has its play.

1573
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 4: If you want to rank them, we're gonna do women's

1574
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 4: open first AIG. Second, you can almost debate depending on

1575
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 4: the venue in the setup, if KPMG or evan swap

1576
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 4: based on how you might like the venue at Hazel

1577
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 4: Team you're behind. You can almost put Hazel Team behind

1578
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 4: Chavron if you want to it.

1579
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 9: No, actually, I don't know. Chevron's pretty. There's a bit.

1580
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 9: I think there's now there used to be this whole.

1581
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: Joke Chevron and can go kick rocks, and I think

1582
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 4: there's now a large gap between interesting. All right, Chevron

1583
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 4: can put up twenty million dollars and it still kind

1584
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 4: of stacks.

1585
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 3: If nothing else has really eliminated that where the bottom

1586
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 3: of the barrel battle is. We're done and dusted on

1587
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 3: that one at least, and may be moving into third position.

1588
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 9: I mean there's nice things there. They give you free

1589
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 9: beer in the caddy. I'm sorry stories that come out

1590
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 9: of the place.

1591
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna bring PJ in here to adjudicate. We

1592
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 3: got to come up with a name for this segment.

1593
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: I wanted to. It's like red rage bait or real

1594
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 3: like are you just you know, just trying to get

1595
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 3: people worked up to be a contrarian?

1596
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 9: Are you gonna bury you the thumbnail PJ.

1597
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, things, give me some active pace. One last question

1598
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,480
Speaker 3: before I go to PJ. The winners pre major designation

1599
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: claim that they are major champions. Now, how does that work?

1600
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: Is that? I mean, this is everything's sort of fake

1601
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 3: in the history books as we know, camerony on being

1602
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 3: mister one thousand and on them.

1603
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 4: You get the Brendan Audit Committee out here to kind

1604
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 4: of circumvent who actually, I gotta go look, I think

1605
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 4: that's the big debate. I think remember someone asked Julieankster

1606
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 4: this year of like, how do you do the career

1607
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 4: Gland Slam?

1608
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 9: Like if you win, do you have to win the

1609
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 9: all five of them? Now? And Juliet kind of alluded

1610
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 9: to like, yeah, you kind of have to. Yeah, I

1611
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 9: mean yeah, yeah, there's.

1612
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 4: Some weird the nomenclature on everything round now kind of

1613
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 4: it's hard to it's very confusing and easy to make

1614
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 4: fun of, which kind of makes everything even more of

1615
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: a joke.

1616
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 3: Right. Laura Davies wanted back to back in ninety four

1617
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 3: to ninety five, but her best result in the avon

1618
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 3: on Wikipedia is T forty fourteen. Because that's the major era.

1619
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 3: You know, that gets tricky I get it. It's probably

1620
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 3: that's probably the way to do it.

1621
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 9: So that's another argument of why it stinks fair fair.

1622
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: It's a decent it's a decent debate, PJ even lessening.

1623
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: Where do you fall? Are you gonna just be friendly

1624
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 3: to the guest here?

1625
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 4: No?

1626
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 3: I think I think Matthew's made some good points. I agree,

1627
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 3: I kind of in I think the uh, the the re.

1628
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 7: Shaping the conversation around the non September disasters. I think

1629
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 7: if we're just taking it at face value now, I

1630
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 7: think that's what kind of swayed me in the real

1631
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 7: versus rage bait direction.

1632
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: That's great because PJ is like not privy to any

1633
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,520
Speaker 4: of this. I don't think PJ view what a championship

1634
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 4: was four years ago.

1635
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 3: Number So, I think you got me.

1636
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 7: If we're just taking it at today's face value, I

1637
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 7: think you sold me.

1638
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: I love more than anything. I love the courage of

1639
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 3: her conviction to stand on stand up business and stand

1640
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 3: in the face of constant criticism and abuse and actually

1641
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: say no, wait, actually this might be pretty good. So

1642
01:26:58,520 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 3: I do.

1643
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 9: I think people are coming around.

1644
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 4: I think the folks are coming. I think the other

1645
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 4: golf some o their golf media pundits are coming around.

1646
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: They can kind of vocalize the same thing in the past,

1647
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 4: not saying you are there yet, but we'll.

1648
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 9: See, watch me make this argument.

1649
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 4: We get an absolutely stinky golf tournament, and that's like, God,

1650
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 4: here we go. You come back on Sunday eating crow.

1651
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 9: Who knows.

1652
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 3: I'm started. I'm glad someone's making it. And we're not

1653
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: just dismissing it out of hand like we used to.

1654
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 9: So it's not it's still perfect, but we're getting there.

1655
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 3: We're getting there. Fair, fair Matthew, thanks so much for

1656
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: joining us. You have written an article outlining some of

1657
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: these arguments that will be on the Friday website and

1658
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 3: spotlighted our newsletter on Friday. May have a follow with

1659
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: us on Avon as well as the weekend goes forward

1660
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: to more majors scheduling. We got to talk about that.

1661
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 3: We'll get that's the other part.

1662
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 9: You gotta find a way to separate it.

1663
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 4: That's Unfortunately, I think the tough part is like, like

1664
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 4: you got to kind of have them over there for

1665
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 4: both because it costs so much. Unfortunately, there's a real

1666
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 4: thing around the cost of like going over there for

1667
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 4: the players and the caddies alike.

1668
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: So we'll cover that. But thank you for joining us

1669
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 3: here on the Shotgun Start. We'll follow you work on

1670
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 3: FRIDAYGG on Twitter and we're well everywhere else.

1671
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 9: Thanks Matthew yep anytime.

1672
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 3: All right. That does it for this Friday edition of

1673
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 3: The Shotgun Start. Andy a great whip around Friday with

1674
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 3: some thoughts on instruction and development and life in general.

1675
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 3: Ready for a major week, that's where we're rolling into.

1676
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 3: We have a great week in the Scottish Open. Stuff

1677
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: ahead of us, as we mentioned, maybe an Avian if

1678
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 3: you're into that, like Matt can't wait, can't wait last

1679
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 3: Men's Major. Did you see news that they may move

1680
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 3: up Sunday tea times at the Open if England's at

1681
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 3: the World Cup final that same day. Now, like World

1682
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 3: Cup Finals at three Eastern golf should be done like

1683
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 3: an hour and a half watching it, But they're putting

1684
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: the fans first. What do you mean, because they'll leave

1685
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: to go watch in the pub because there's an hour

1686
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: and a half. It should be almost an hour break,

1687
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 3: which way too late for the locals. They move it

1688
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 3: up on Sunday a little bit. It's usually like one

1689
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 3: to eastern so you're talking like six six thirty with

1690
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 3: an eight pm local kickoff for soccer. We'll see. I mean,

1691
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: England's got work to do, PJ. They got work to

1692
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 3: do to get through the finals. So that's up there,

1693
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 3: can't wait whatever may come next week at the Open.

1694
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 3: Very excited to get there. We'll recap the Scottish Sunday

1695
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 3: night and Monday. Talk to you then.

1696
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 4: K