1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Control Decade. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: you to know. As we said previously on an earlier 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: episode of our new version of Strange News, we have 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: expanded stuff they don't want you to know. That's right, 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday's we are going to have a new 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: episode of some sort or maybe a gold an oldie 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: of another sort hitting your podcast airways. And so this 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: is the first iteration of what, uh, if everything goes smoothly, 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: will become a weekly listener mail episode. It's often said 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: that you, specifically you are the most important part of 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: this entire enterprise. Uh. That is that is true, and 19 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: that's something we feel strongly about ever since the YouTube days. 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: So now we're putting our money where our proverbial conspiracy 21 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: mouths are, and we are going to hear from you. 22 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Is that about the size of it. Yes, that's correct. 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: And these these messages are going to come from all 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: over the place. Some are just gonna be a social 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: media comment, maybe one of you has made, maybe another 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: of you has called into the voicemail system and left 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: one of those so you'll hear yourself on this episode, 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: or maybe you wrote an email that can get in 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: here too. Really, any communication you're having with us may 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: and up in one of these episodes post you know, 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: like like Raven, whatever you got smoke signal, We're here 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: for it. We want to hear from you, we said 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: at the end of every episode. And now, yeah, to 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Ben's point, we are gonna use this as a way 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: of curating more discussions and we always, I think all 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: of us enjoy these episodes, and I for one, I'm 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: really excited to make it a more regular thing. Yes, 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: and it is of high importance now that when you 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: do communicate with us, uh, let us know if you're 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: cool with us using it on the air, specifically in 41 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: voicemails and emails. Just let us know if you're cool 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: with it, and we'll will make it happen. And if 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: you don't want us to use their name or want 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: us to be anonymous, just let us know about that too. 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: So who would like to go first? I've got one here. 46 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: I've got a message from Dave. Here's Dave. Hi, mad, 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: how you doing? Uh? My name is Dave from Washington, 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: outside washingtond c in Virginia, in my neighborhood. Where to 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: take a book leave a book box? I found a 50 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: National Geographic magazine from where April two and six reading 51 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: the letters to the editor, and I thought you were 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: finding this interesting? Articles at us a grand central. I this, 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: this guy says, I read with interest to our call, 54 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: particularly the reference and photo of the secret rail platform 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: beneath the Waldorf, the story of my grandfather, lou freed 56 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Freedman owned Freeme's Ltd. The original man shop at the Waldorf. 57 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: My mother and her sister's stayed at the hotel periodically. 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: During one did it in hotel staff member invided my 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: mother to the secret platform, where she was one of 60 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the handful of people who witnessed General Eisenhower's return to 61 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: the US following World War Two. I just thought that 62 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: was very interesting. You may find an interesting too, to 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: do an episode on with the secret railroad platform. I 64 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: wasn't aware of that. Um, love me hear more about him? 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well, feel free to give a call back. 66 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I love you guys, show and uh all for me. 67 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Oh yes, So, Dave, let us know about a secret 68 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: rail platform that is underneath the Waldorf Astoria, specifically in 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: New York. That's the Manhattan location there. Uh, I'm gonna 70 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: go ahead and start on this one, guys, and that 71 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: we can talk about it. Ben Well, I think you 72 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: guys may know about this a little bit. I know, Ben, 73 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: you do for sure, just from our previous workings together. 74 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: But let's let's get into this. So the Waldorf Astoria 75 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: as we know it today sits between forty nine and 76 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: fiftie streets in between Park and Lexington Avenues there in 77 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: Manhattan's midtown. And it didn't always live there. Previously, it 78 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: was over in a different place. I think it's Fifth 79 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: Avenue and already third Street. Uh. It was a mansion 80 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: owned by this guy that you may recognize. His last name, 81 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: William Waldorf, astor of the Astors. And uh you may 82 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: notice that the waldorfer story doesn't live there anymore. Now. 83 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: That's the home of the Empire State Building. Just kind 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: of cool background in there that we're looking into. Dave Um, 85 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: the place where the Waldorf story lives now over there 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: between It's been there since ninete so a long time. 87 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: This this hotel has lived in midtown Manhattan. And it 88 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: is true. It's it's not some you know, weird story 89 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: that lived in that National geographic It's true. There is 90 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: a secret rail line, or at least a highly underused 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: rail line, that exists beneath that hotel. And it was 92 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: used well for a lot of reasons, mostly to get 93 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: V I p. S in and out of the hotel 94 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: without being seen. But it was used for a long 95 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: time to ship f Dr. Franklin Delnar Roosevelt in and 96 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: out of the hotel so that they could keep I 97 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: guess hidden his ailments, and to basically as a pr 98 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,119 Speaker 1: way to let him drive a car onto a rail, 99 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: take that rail into the hotel, have it go into 100 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: an elevator, go up into the hotel itself, and then 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: drive out of the parking area essentially onto the street. 102 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Fascinating concept, right. I wonder if you guys had heard 103 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: anything else about this Waldorf historia secret rail line or 104 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: the history of it. Yeah, track sixty one, Right, Matt, 105 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: you hipped us to this article on gotha mess that 106 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: referenced an article from the New York Times from September 107 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: of ninete that sort of sets up the whole thing. 108 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: Ing and this really great quote. Guests with private rail 109 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: cars may have them routed directly to the hotel instead 110 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: of the Pennsylvania Station or to Grand Central Terminal, and 111 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: may leave their cars at a special elevator which will 112 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: take them directly to their suites or to the lobby. 113 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: The arrangement is made possible because of the fact that 114 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: the New York Central tracks passed directly beneath the block, 115 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: which has been obtained by the Hotel Waldorf Astory of 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: Corporation from the New York Central Railroad on a sixty 117 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: three year leasehold, the lease being in reality only for 118 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: the air rights on the site, which is always interesting. 119 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: The idea of air rights is like, you know that 120 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: plays into the height of buildings and being able to 121 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: like own part of the sky or or you know, subterranean. Well, yeah, 122 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I wondered Ben if you guys had encountered this when 123 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: you were looking at kind of the um hidden areas 124 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: or underground areas on a couple of the shows that 125 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: we've done in the past. Yeah, that's correct, Matt. A 126 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: while ago, a merry band of videographers at the i 127 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: AM explored facades and fake buildings of New York City. 128 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: These secret trains, by the way, are not just are 129 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: not just a New York thing. It makes sense to 130 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: have them there in urban centers, in cities throughout the world. 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact, if you'll recall, in the 132 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: days of YouTube, when you and I ventured to Washington, 133 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: d C. We got very close to arranging a tour 134 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: of a closed down secret rail line there in the 135 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: nation's capital. These underground or secret included rail lines make 136 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of sense from a security perspective. And the 137 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: thing is that now in twenty twenty, a lot of 138 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: the historical ones are you know, they're they're no longer secret. 139 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: They're no longer classified because there are new technologies or 140 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: new methods of transporting people, goods, nuclear weapons, what have you. However, 141 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: I would say that, uh, the DPRK has pretty there's 142 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty good evidence that they have secret rail lines. Of course. Uh, 143 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: the of course Russia has secret rail lines as uh, 144 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: you know in subways, A legacy from the very paranoid 145 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: days of the Cold War and the U S s R. 146 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: When we were doing our when we're doing our exploration 147 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: of uh fake buildings or facades of New York City, 148 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: which I believe you can still view on YouTube. One 149 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: one incredibly interesting thing there was that there were buildings, 150 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: or there were fake buildings that were disguising secret railway 151 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: entrances and exits. Uh. So this means that even if 152 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: there's a you know, a publicly known metro uh you know, 153 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: in your neck of the Global Woods, it is still 154 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: going to have very likely some kind of hidden way 155 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: in or out, not necessarily for nefarious reasons, but more 156 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: so for safety reasons. And this one, the logistics of 157 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: it's really fascinating because and Ben, this is something you've 158 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: covered on car stuff back in the day. Uh FDR 159 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: drove an armor plated pierce arrow car um, which is 160 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: when you don't hear about anymore because they imagine they 161 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: don't make them um. But everything had to be made 162 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: so big to accommodate literally driving that car off of 163 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: the train onto the platform and into that special elevator. 164 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Uh and then it would be you know, lifted up 165 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: and exit through the garage of the building. And there 166 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: was even a situation where they would lift his limo 167 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: and have to back it out into the grand ballroom 168 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: of the Waldorf astoria Um. And you know, some of 169 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: this stuff we actually have confirmed from Secret Service log 170 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: books that have been declassified as well, So really really 171 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. And Dave, here's something that the National Geographic 172 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: Article may not have told you. Uh. For a long time, 173 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: it was possible to take a tour of this hidden railway. Uh. 174 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: There were some complications, of course, it's it's understandably tough 175 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: to tour these things at times. I believe you had 176 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: to have a membership with the Transit Museum, uh, just 177 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: to be able to take the tour. Uh. And then 178 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: you could see I think, I don't know how this 179 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: is affected by COVID. They're probably not doing it right now, 180 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: but uh, you could see a list of dates and 181 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: specific times. But it's very much it's like touring the 182 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Federal meant it's not they don't take walk in's. You 183 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: have to you have to be sort of in the 184 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: in the inner circle of Transit Museum fans. But you 185 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: can go to ww dot web dot mt A dot 186 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: info and find I'm more there, or just put uh 187 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: secret rail tour into your local uh search engine of choice. 188 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: What was it like, it's like fifty bucks, I think 189 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: to become a member, right, I believe the tour itself 190 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: is fifty bucks. You just have to be a member first. 191 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. And 192 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's membership dues or any of that. 193 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: But like you said, it's like not like anyone can 194 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: just walk up and become one. That's interesting stuff. Um, yeah, 195 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: you know it makes me if you I don't know 196 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: if you guys ever seen there's a documentary called Dark 197 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: Days UM that's about like graffiti culture in New York, 198 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: like during the nineties, late nineties, arly two thousands, and 199 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: a lot of folks that like literally would set up 200 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: um squats in abandoned subway tunnels. So there's so much 201 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: cool mystery surrounding like the subterranean networks of like a 202 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: city as as old as as New York. And you know, 203 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: if anyone spent any time in New York, you know 204 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: what a stand still it causes whenever they try to 205 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: do maintenance on those on those lines. It's because the 206 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: stuff is just so old, so there's so much cool 207 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: history there and this is a really great example of that. 208 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: So thanks again Dave for calling in. We hope that 209 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: was helpful and interesting. We're gonna take a quick break 210 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: and hear a word from our sponsor, but we'll be 211 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Hey, who's next? Yeah, next, 212 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: we have a voicemail from Vincent. Let's check it out. Hey, guys, 213 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: this is Vincent, from which ta I just got done 214 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: listening to your part two update on the coronavirus that 215 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: you just released, and certainly a lot to consider, especially 216 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: if some of the worst case scenarios you discussed end 217 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: up coming true. Uh. One thing that I'm gonna be 218 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on is how the balance of power 219 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: is going to be shifting globally, but especially in our 220 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: own nation, especially with what you guys were saying about 221 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: the election. Yeah, lets that gets pushed back. We're going 222 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: to have the Trump administration taking care of this entire 223 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: pandemic from likely start to finish, and I uh, I'm 224 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: eager to see if they're willing to pass some of 225 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: the more socialist, so called socialist policies that are going 226 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: to be needed in order to combat things like the 227 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: rising unemployment and the insane overwhelment of the medical industry. 228 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: That we're gonna definitely see. But I'd be interested to 229 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: see if our federal government can maintain the power throughout 230 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: this If if states aren't going to be stepping up 231 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and making more and more of their own policies and 232 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: furthering themselves from the federal government, if the federal government 233 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: is incapable of stepping up to the plate. You know, 234 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: another thing is I know Ben often talks about how 235 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: the corporation will be the new government. I'd be eager 236 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: to see if you know, lower income states like mine, 237 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: like Kansas, if we won't have industries stepping in where 238 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: the state and federal governments lack, and if they won't 239 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: start soaking up some of the power. Because one thing's 240 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: for sure, this virus is going to be a precipitous 241 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: event for change. So only time will out what directions 242 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: that changes in stay safe. Wow, Yeah, And there's definitely 243 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of layers in that, in that call um 244 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and and a lot to unpack. And I very much 245 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: remember that conversation that was very early on in the pandemic. 246 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: I think that was our second update episode. UM. But yeah, 247 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: the idea of you know, using this situation politically um. 248 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: And we've certainly seen that happening, uh in more ways 249 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: than one. But in the most extreme example of that 250 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: would be to uh postpone or god forbid, dare we 251 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: say cancel an election? Um? And I think that's an 252 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: interesting question and something that we sort of talked about, 253 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: like in the Realm of Thought experiment. UM. I did 254 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: in listening to this UH this voicemail, do a little 255 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: research and happened upon our our old pals it how 256 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: stuff works in an article? Can the U S presidential 257 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: election be postponed? And Um, as as you guys may know, 258 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: it turns out it's very very difficult to do that. Um. 259 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: It's never been postponed in the history of elections in 260 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: this country. And it would require the date is fixed 261 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: by law and can only be changed by making a 262 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: new law. UM. And so it would require agreement across 263 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: the aisle to do that. And as difficult to time 264 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: as we see lawmakers having passing any law, I have 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: a hard time believing that that could happen. But under 266 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: the twentieth Amendment, UH, the incumbent presidents is a quote, 267 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: a president's term ends at noon on January. There's no 268 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: provision of law permitting a president to stay in office 269 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: after this date, even in the event of a national emergency, 270 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: short of the ratification of a new constitutional amendment. Um, 271 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: what do you guys think? What about what about martial law? 272 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: What about some kind of coup? I mean that martial 273 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: law and a coup I have to imagine would be 274 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: an extreme stretch. Um. You know, an I don't want 275 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: to be in a doomsday mindset about any of that stuff. 276 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: I I very much believe, at least since had that 277 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: conversation we had perhaps a little while ago, that there 278 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: will be an election. It will just be I think, 279 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: fraught with controversy, just because of the nature of so 280 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: many votes having to come in through the mail and 281 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: not through you know, the ballot system that we've become 282 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: accustomed to, just as we we've already seen in this 283 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: country with the primaries, a couple of strange things occurring. Um, 284 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: most of it I'm hoping is you know, error within 285 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: a new system being adopted. But you know, you can't 286 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: completely discount the nefarious actions of you know, people who 287 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: have an agenda or someone who has an agenda. Ah, 288 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that's my way of attempting 289 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: to be measured about it rather than you know, fearful 290 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: of of something like that. I don't know. Let's approach 291 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: this as a thought experiments. Let's do a decision tree 292 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: of if thens. So as as you point out, Noll, 293 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: it is uh, it is a herculean task to postpone 294 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: not just the presidential election, but uh, you know, like 295 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: like the rolling election for the House of Representatives, which 296 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: occurs every two years. We have seen we have seen runoffs, 297 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: we have seen delays in specific elections, right, but never 298 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: never a presidential one. If if there is not an election, 299 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the president legally stays in power. 300 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: Remember the president is if the election is postponed, then 301 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: their term is still over towards the end of January. 302 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: And that means that Congress, which typically has a cartoonishly 303 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: low approval rate. I've got a great list I should 304 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: sent around about things that have a higher approval rating 305 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: than Congress. I think we covered it one time in 306 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: the past, Matt, and maybe it was maybe it was 307 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: on a different show, but it's it's hilarious. It'll surprise you, 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: and it's pretty accurate. But anyhow, so we don't If 309 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: there's not an election, then the president's term still ends 310 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: on January, and the House and the Senate have to 311 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: divide and conquer. So the House has to somehow pick 312 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: the new president and the Senate has to somehow pick 313 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: the VP, which is an interesting switch, right, but the 314 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: House is kind of considered to be closer, to have 315 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: a closer grasp on the zeitgeist or the desires of 316 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: the population. But but here's the problem. Here's the problem 317 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: with that entire If then depending on why an election 318 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: might be postponed, if there is, for instance, um, some 319 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: sort of violent coup or some sort of fundamental change 320 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: to the status quo, this is you know, this is 321 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: an allegation that surfaces literally every time there's a different precedent, Right, 322 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton has gonna h cancel the election or uh 323 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: but they probably even people probably even thought Jimmy Carter 324 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: would do it. Personally, I don't think he I'm not 325 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: saying anything about his politics, but he just seems a 326 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: little too I don't know, nice gal, Yeah, genteel, that's 327 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: a good word. Uh. So we have to remember that 328 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: if that happened. If there was a violent changed government 329 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: or revolution, a coup, uh descent into chaos, then that 330 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: means that the laws that apply to presidential elections don't 331 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: matter anymore. Their rules for a different game. But like, 332 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, again, worst case scenario, what if you had 333 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: a situation where like military leadership was so loyal to 334 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: a particulcular president that they would just continue listening only 335 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: to him, you know what I mean, Or they wouldn't 336 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: accept that seat change. They wouldn't accept that, like, like, 337 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: I know, it's not how the system is designed. But 338 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: people are people, and who knows, I mean, I know, 339 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: you know, generals are intend you know, for all intents 340 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: and purposes, meant to be somewhat a political I guess 341 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: that's not their job to have opinions about which way 342 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: to go. They're supposed to be able to take orders 343 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: from the commander in chief. But what if you know, 344 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: we see this in other countries where there are military cups, 345 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, where a loyalist group, you know, loyal to 346 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: a particular dictator or a particular you know, very influential 347 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: figure is able to he's able to that person is 348 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: able to wield control over those individuals. Maybe it's only 349 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: a faction of the military, and then it's a divided 350 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: military at that point and it becomes some kind of 351 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: in fighting. I don't know, I'm being very you know, 352 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: dire here, but I'm just interested if that's even something 353 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: within the realm of possibility, or if I've just watched 354 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, Air Force one too many times recently. I mean, 355 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: these are these are great points, I think. I think 356 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: that's an astute thing to point out, because it's true. 357 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: Military coups do happen, right, Uh, And there's an interesting 358 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: there there. There's an interesting potential special case here. So yeah, 359 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: most militaries are theoretically going to be loyal to UH. 360 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: They're governing documents rather than a charismatic figure or a cadre. 361 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: One exception would be the military of China. The military 362 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: of China works for the Communist Party. Uh. It's it 363 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: seems like a small distinction, but it makes a big difference. 364 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: The problem with the US in the case of this 365 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of military intervention is one of the dirty geopolitical 366 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: secrets about the military intervening and the government gone off 367 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: the rails in other countries, is that a Western intelligence 368 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: agency often backs the military coup, and in the past 369 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: it's been us. So what happens, what happens when that 370 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: kind of reckoning or that kind of process occurs in 371 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: the country that's usually in charge of that happening in 372 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 1: other countries. It's an interesting question, you know. And we 373 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: know that there is a There are very strict laws 374 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: governing the military's relationship to domestic politics. They're there for 375 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: a reason. But again, in the case of a coup, 376 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: the we're talking about laws that applied to a different game. 377 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if we're all playing, uh, putt putt. 378 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say put putt because I missed the 379 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: hell out of playing putt putt. Imagine if we're all 380 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: playing putt putt and then all of a sudden, halfway through, 381 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of it, the rules completely change, 382 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: and we find ourselves in the deep end of a 383 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: pool and we're supposed to swim laps. We can hold 384 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: the clubs, but it does not matter if we have them, 385 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: and no one cares where the balls go. It's a 386 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: terrible analogy, but I think it's important, and these things become, 387 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: you know, rightly, very emotionally fraught for people, right, and 388 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: and the idea here of a of a military intervention 389 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: is I don't know, it's it's just different, like the 390 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: military will intervene in various countries. As you said, No, 391 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: there will be coups led by an opposition politician or 392 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: a particularly ambitious Western backed general. That happens a lot 393 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: in the in the past of But yeah, I don't know. 394 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: We're supposed to have a UM, we're supposed to have 395 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: in a political, secular military. But as I think someone 396 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: noted earlier, the military he's composed of people, and people 397 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: are the opposite of a political I would just say, 398 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: Noel and Vincent, I do not see something like that 399 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: occurring unless there is like Ben is describing outside influence 400 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: from a power player within the world's you know, within 401 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: the world governments, and I, you know, I it's something 402 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: like that does go down, we then just have to 403 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 1: be extremely skeptical about the reasoning behind postponement or you know, 404 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: whatever whatever action is taken UM to keep the current 405 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: party in power. Again, I don't see it happening. I 406 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: I do think we're going to go through a changing 407 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: of hands of power as this second wave that we're 408 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: seeing right now of the pandemic as we're seeing it 409 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: really still affecting all of us and having a major 410 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: economic impact. So well, I don't see um a power 411 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: grab or a coup or something like that. I do 412 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: see a very intense changing of power, changing hands of 413 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: power going on amidst all that stuff, and it just 414 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: feels it does still it's giving me anxiety thinking about it, 415 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: or calling into question the results, like you were saying, 416 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: saying it was somehow fixed, or that that that that 417 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: the results are not legitimate or something like that. Right, sure, 418 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I think that happens to an extent every in every election, 419 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: but there I can imagine that this one will be 420 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: highly contentious no matter what happens. Yeah, I mean that's 421 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: that's another point against the idea of a violent coup 422 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: or postponement. Uh, it's this. The appearance of legitimacy is 423 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: profoundly crucial to stability. Note that I'm saying the appearance 424 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: of legitimacy. It's kind of like the pursuit of happiness. 425 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: We're very careful in the US government with how how 426 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: you got right to the pursuit, not the actual thing right, 427 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: and you have a you you want to aim for 428 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the appearance of legitimacy, even if there is uh some 429 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: sort of shenanigan going on. So let's say, you know, Vincent, 430 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: let's say that you're running for president, and or less 431 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: say you're already president and you know there's an election coming. 432 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: You don't know which way it's gonna go. Uh. You 433 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to lose, because people are in general 434 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: into that kind of stuff, But you don't want to win. 435 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: You generally will not want to win if it will 436 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: appear to be nakedly corrupt. You want to be able 437 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: to at the very least convinced some large portion of 438 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: the population that the process works. Because you know, this 439 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: country and a lot of other countries, but this this 440 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: country in particular, is fascinating because we put a lot 441 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: of uh faith in process, some of the same kind 442 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: of faith that empires of old put into religions and gods. 443 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: We put into the idea of rituals and assigning dates 444 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: to things and having you know, as much as possible 445 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: a clear cut path of if thens. But but yeah, again, 446 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: not to be alarmist. If there is something, if there 447 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: is a what's the phrase a black Swan event or 448 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: something like that. If that occurs, then again the rules 449 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: and the processes no longer matter. Wow. Well, there you 450 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: have it, Vincent, I don't think it's gonna happen. What 451 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: do you do you guys think it's gonna happen. I 452 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: think I'll try to have the election. Yeah, yeah, fingers crossed. 453 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: But like we said from the start, it's an interesting 454 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: thing to discuss, and we're not trying to freak anybody out, 455 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: but certainly worth considering history and considering, you know, the possibilities. 456 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: We're definitely living in uh as the old prophecies at 457 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: interesting times. And before we move on to the point 458 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: about elections, uh, this will come up in a future 459 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: episode of Listener Mail, probably next week. I want to 460 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: thank everybody wrote in about the nineteen eight rigged Mexican election, 461 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: and I especially want to thank those of our fellow 462 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: listeners who said, we get what you're saying about voting 463 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: being a right to complain, but watch out because it's 464 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: often misused as a a nefarious tactic. So maybe we 465 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: can explore that more in depth in a future episode. 466 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: But we'll be back with more Listener Mail. After a 467 00:29:50,000 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: brief word from our sponsor and we're back, we're moving on. 468 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: We have we have one last correspondence today. It is 469 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: also a voicemail. It comes to us via Chrissy. Hello. Okay, Hi, 470 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: this is Christy had one of your listeners. I've been 471 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: listening for a couple of years and I super love 472 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: your show. And I really have to say the last 473 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: since you guys have gone into COVID mode, I really 474 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: missed the synchronous st d w y t K with 475 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: all of you together. I don't know if there's a 476 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: way for you guys to think your sound to do 477 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: it with uh whatever audio you're using right now. It's 478 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: that it's a small thing, but it reminds me that 479 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: we uh can't we all be in the same room 480 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: always Kale Anyway, One of the things I was wondering 481 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: if you guys could look into is this concept of 482 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: gas going dad. Um. You know, I was very tempted 483 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: to just buy a kind of gaps when it was 484 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: fifty five sense that live in Canada. Um, and this 485 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: like less than half of what it normally costs to 486 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: buy a gas. But gas goes bad for I learned 487 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: later from a friend not natural reasons. So apparently they Okay, 488 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: put something in gasoline and make it go bad so 489 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: that you can't store it. Is that true? And you 490 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: guys look into that because that's some fault. Oh, chrissy. Uh. 491 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: This is an fascinating voicemail because my spider sense tells 492 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: me that when you called us, you uh, you probably 493 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: called around the same time that we were recording an 494 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: episode about the true cost of gasoline. This is what 495 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: Carl Young would call an example of super con sciousness, 496 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: or maybe, if we want to be a little less 497 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: metaphysical about it, an example of zeitgeist. Right, gases on 498 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: people's minds. But but the question here is something that 499 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: we talked about briefly in our episode on building a 500 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: go bag. What you should what you should or shouldn't 501 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: put in a go bag? Is it worth it to 502 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: carry gas? Without falling into the rabbit hole of whether 503 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: or not you should have gas and go bag. It 504 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: is important to point out that gas does have additives 505 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: in it, obviously, and gas does have a shelf life. 506 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: It can vary for a number of reasons. Gas can 507 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: go bad depending on the heat, the oxygen, the humidity. 508 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: In general. Generally speaking, pure gas, like top notch gas, 509 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: is we have to define what we mean when we 510 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: say it goes bad. What we really mean is that 511 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: as a result of oxidization and evaporation, it will lose 512 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: its pep. Think of the way a soda goes flat 513 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: if it's open too long, depending on humidity in the environment. UH. 514 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: The problem here is that when gas goes flat, it 515 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: loses its combustibility. So one thing that is pretty popular 516 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: or has been popular UH for a while in the West, 517 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: it would be ethanol, gasoline blends. Those have a shelf 518 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: life about two to three months. The regularly quote unquote 519 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: pure gas we mentioned UH will start to degrade from 520 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: three to six months. But you can add things into gas, 521 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: especially if like you have a car that you put 522 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: away for the summer, put away from the winter. You 523 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: can add stuff to gas that will not you know, 524 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: give us some sort of planned opts lessons, but will 525 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: instead allow that gas to remain to keep its combustible 526 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: nature between why to three years under like really good conditions. UNT. 527 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. UM. My question for you guys when 528 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: I heard this email was what would be the motivation 529 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: for a gas killing additive which just sell more gas? Yeah? 530 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I get presumably. And also, but the question 531 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: there is like, right, no, I if she's talking about 532 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: stockpiling gas, it would not be in the best interest 533 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: of gas company, wouldn't it though you're still paying for it. 534 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: I guess the prices fluctuate, you know, maybe it would 535 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: be the same as buying stock when it's at a low. 536 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: You know, they want you to be subject to all 537 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: the same ups and downs of the market. I guess. 538 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: I I don't, I don't. I'm just spitballing here. Um, 539 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. What what do you think to me? 540 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: It's almost like h if you think about it, almost 541 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: like a subscription service. Depending on the vehicles you drive 542 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: and the gas powered you know, machines that you have 543 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: wherever you live, you were essentially subscribing to a certain 544 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: amount of gas every month really because of the travel 545 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: you do and everything, right, and so if you imagine 546 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: the you know, the projections that company X that's a 547 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: producer of gas or government, why that has a certain 548 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: amount of gas and subsidize a certain amount of gas. 549 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: You can look at an individual person essentially has that 550 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: subscriber and we know we're going to have this much 551 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: use in this much injected this much money injected into 552 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: the system every month by you, right, and if you 553 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: frontload that maybe it throws off projections. I don't know, 554 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: that's just me spitball. You say subscription, and I think 555 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: that's really interesting because I just signed up for a 556 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: new natural gas uh you know account from my house, 557 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: and by um locking myself in for a year, I 558 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: was able to get a lower rate locked in as 559 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: opposed to a variable rate, a lower rate. Why is 560 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: there no such subscription model for gasoline for your car? 561 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: Why can't I subscribe at a lock in a certain 562 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: rate price point by paying monthly or paying for a 563 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: whole year. Why doesn't that exist? That did exist for 564 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: for some time in a for a little while in 565 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: a in a couple of forms regionally, it just never 566 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: took off. Uh, it never took off nationally. I think 567 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: right now you can see services like let's see, there's 568 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: filled with f I L L D no E, so 569 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: you know it's cool and you're never on E when 570 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: you use filled. They can have that one. Yeah, it's 571 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: got that Yoshi which these this service will come to 572 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: you and they'll gas up your car. They'll also wash 573 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: it and they'll probably take care of smaller maintenance task 574 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: like changing your oil something like that. But the idea 575 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: I think of people buying a fuel subscription was sort 576 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: of like investing in futures. Uh. The cannot remember the 577 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: exact the exact circumstances in which this occurred, but it 578 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: happened in the US where people were able to purchase 579 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: gas in advance from some supplier during a time people 580 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,959 Speaker 1: were very worried about spiking prices, and then later uh, 581 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: they would always be able to buy up to x 582 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: amount of gas, however much they have paid for at 583 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: that price. So it's just like what you're describing, Yould, 584 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: the idea of getting a fixed rate um. But you know, 585 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: the easy answer to why that doesn't happen is probably 586 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: because the people in charge of the current industry like 587 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: things the way they are. It's always profit motive right there. 588 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: You you risk losing money if you do a fixed 589 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: rate as as a supplier. But what I think is 590 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: fascinating about this question too, Uh, we haven't found any 591 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: proof of a gas killing additive that would be widespread. 592 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: Yet we know there's stuff that does mess up your 593 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: tank and mess up your car, right putting your sugar 594 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: and the cast tank for instances the old saw. But 595 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: but this question, to me at least, seems more like 596 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: a question of planned obsolescence, which is very real and 597 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: has been very real since the days of the Phoebus cartel, 598 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: when a bunch of people said, will make more money 599 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: if we sell light bulbs that aren't as good as 600 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: the ones we make now, And that's happening. I I don't. 601 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: I don't think it's too far off. I would, I mean, 602 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it happens with smartphones, right, those 603 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: are built to be outdated in what would you guys say, 604 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: two years, three, two years? But yet they don't really 605 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: cop to that, right. Isn't that sort of like something 606 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: that we all know and an experience, But pople won't 607 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: come right out and say we do that, right. It's 608 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: just the nature of the tech man. It just gets 609 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: better and better, dude, And then you put software on 610 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: that old hardware. What's up, man, It's just gonna break faster. 611 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna break faster. Just joking. It's obviously it's obviously 612 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: a plan to get you to buy a new phone, 613 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: because it's important to you buy a new phone. It's 614 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: important that you buy more gas. I mean, do you guys, 615 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,479 Speaker 1: imagine a world where I don't know I've got let's 616 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: just say, I've got ten barrels of gas in my 617 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: backyard that I've that's gonna live forever, that gasoline. It 618 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter that it's giving off, you know, or it's 619 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: breaking down, essentially at all times, I've got ten barrels 620 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: of gas and the apocalypse happens, Guys, I'm set. I 621 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: can trade any for anything with all that gas. At 622 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: the very least, you can power all your crazy you know, 623 00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: like a demolition derby vehicles for the Thunderdome. You know. Yeah, sure, 624 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm even talking about here. But 625 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: if I, if I, as an individual, was able to 626 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: store enough gas safely that wasn't degrading, I could ostensibly 627 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: sell that gasoline as those any other product in a 628 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: secondary market, right. I mean I ostensibly could. Doesn't mean 629 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: it would be legal, It doesn't mean I would even 630 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: make that much money off of it, But it does 631 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: mean that if you were to add something to the 632 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: gas that would guarantee it degrades over a certain amount 633 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: of time. I can imagine that kind of hope that 634 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe you prevent those secondary markets and fluctuations that could 635 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: occur within there. I can imagine that as a motive, 636 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: but I don't think so. And like Ben said, we've 637 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: never seen any evidence of something added to the gas. 638 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: This actually goes hand in hand with the episode we 639 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: just did not not long ago about the hidden cost 640 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: of gas, you know, the big picture cost of gas, 641 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: And there was something that was in there about the 642 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: idea of spillage, you know, and like how much evaporates off, 643 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: you know, and and how you have to factor that 644 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: in and things. It's just interesting. The whole house of 645 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: cards is fascinating, and as we know, I mean, it's 646 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: obviously the only reason we're still on it is because 647 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: certain corporations that have a lot of power want us 648 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: to still be on it, and a lot of people 649 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: that make the decisions and government are friends with those people, 650 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: and they want those people to be enriched. You know. 651 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, and there's a there's one last note 652 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: here To learn more about fuel additives, I would recommend 653 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: the article add how stuff works? Do fuel additives really 654 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: do anything? Written by a fantastic auto journalist, Shari's three Wit, 655 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: who has a cyclopedic knowledge of these sorts of things, 656 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: uh or from the old car stuff days. The weird 657 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: thing is to your question, Chrissie, is there a fuel 658 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: additive that can harm your vehicle? Uh? Well, a lot 659 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: of fuel additives that are sold in your local auto 660 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: parts store are kind of snake oil. They will at 661 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: worst maybe not harm your engine, but they don't seem 662 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: to help in the ways that they seem like placebos, 663 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: at least some of them, other than fuel stabilizers. Uh be. 664 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: It's it's strange because there there are some tangential or 665 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: I would say, small benefits, but often people buy a 666 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: fuel additive because they think, you know, it'll make my 667 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: car run better for longer, and it mainly just makes 668 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 1: you feel good. You feel like you're taking care of 669 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: your car. Well, speaking of feeling good, thanks so much 670 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: to Chrissie, Dave and Vincent for calling us and leaving 671 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: these messages, speaking with us and bringing these really interesting 672 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: things to everyone's attention. Really really, we thank you. We 673 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: thank you, And if you're listening out there and you 674 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: want to join in and the next one of these, 675 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: make sure you head on over to the our phone 676 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: number and hey, guys, what do you say, in Chrissie's honor, 677 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: why don't we try and and do std w y 678 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 1: t K and the number and everything together just as 679 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: a an experiment will show her why we don't do 680 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: it anymore. What do you think does that work? Okay? 681 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: Here we go in three different locations. If you want 682 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: to leave a voicemail, you can call us. 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