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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, indeed we do shout out

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Speaker 2: to the crew for flipping us over to the holiday set.

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Speaker 2: Were joining in the little snowflakes on the monitors and

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Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Lots of interesting stuff in the show.

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Speaker 2: It is election day in Tennessee and that Trump plus

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Speaker 2: twenty two district that the Republicans are nervous about. So

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Speaker 2: Ken Afton Bain pull off the big upset. We will

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Speaker 2: dig into what we know Trump's approval is in the

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Speaker 2: toilet looking pretty rough amid some health concerns. Biden vibes there,

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Speaker 2: major Biden vibes. Sager has a big Epstein scoop. You

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Speaker 2: That's the story we tried and failed to get to yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll pick that one up today. And Pete Hegseth throwing

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Speaker 3: But let's check in with Tennessee big election here, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe just to set the table.

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Speaker 1: Why does special elections matter? You know? Why is a

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Speaker 1: national politics show focusing on this?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: I think you know, they were the biggest precursor to

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Speaker 3: why are you focusing on this? Because I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: The other the caece is that Mike Johnson is narrowly

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Speaker 4: To be a blood bath for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: And then it wasn't the one indicator that went in

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Speaker 2: the other direction was all of the special elections, something

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Speaker 2: A lot of kind of intra Democratic party fighting, which

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Speaker 2: You have a you know, a candidate for the Democratic

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Speaker 2: really has put affordability front and center. She also was

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Speaker 2: Is seems to be sort of you know, standard run

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Speaker 2: and you know that the Republicans are at the very

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Speaker 2: Jade Vance has been in the district, Mike Johnson has

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Speaker 4: Up support for their guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to this is actually

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Speaker 6: Tennessee's choice. Matt Benepps versus Afton Bain Benefs wants three things.

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Speaker 6: Cuts to healthcare benefits, more tariffs driving up costs, tax

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Speaker 6: breaks for billionaires. Afton Bain wants one thing, to lower

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Speaker 6: your costs. She fought to end the grocery tax in Congress.

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Speaker 6: She'll stand up to both parties to make life more affordable.

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Speaker 6: Want more of the same. It's Matt fan Apps. Wants

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Speaker 6: someone who fight for you for a change. That's often Bane.

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Speaker 6: They can't be responsible to the contentators.

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Speaker 1: At in Afghanistan, the radical shot at us. So these

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Speaker 1: radical attacks now piece.

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Speaker 7: Of cake, A very radical person.

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Speaker 5: On December two, you can stop this radical disaster. The

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Speaker 5: Democrats radical agenda opposing tax cuts, pushing higher taxes and

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Speaker 5: higher prices, and new taxes that would crush working families.

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Speaker 5: Tennessee can't afford their radical agenda.

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Speaker 8: I'm Matt fan Apps and I approved this message because

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Speaker 8: I'll fight for America, always have, always, well need liberal

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Speaker 8: Afton Bane.

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Speaker 7: I'm a very radical person.

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Speaker 8: Bain not only joined and praised defund the police, liberals

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Speaker 8: often being bragged about harassing law enforcements they're.

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Speaker 2: Buying the ice vehicles and state troopers.

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Speaker 1: Worse.

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Speaker 8: Often, Bane supports permanent sex changes for miners.

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Speaker 7: I ran on protecting trans children.

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Speaker 1: If we don't vote, they win.

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Speaker 8: Radical person vote December second to stop radical Liberal Act

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Speaker 8: and Bane Conservatives for American Excellences responsible for the content

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Speaker 8: of this end.

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Speaker 1: Last year, with.

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Speaker 9: Prices soaring, politician Afton Bane voted against the largest tax

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Speaker 9: cut in state history. Liberal Act and Bane voted for

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Speaker 9: higher taxes on top of higher prices.

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Speaker 7: I'm a very radical person.

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Speaker 1: That's not just radical, it's stupid.

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Speaker 9: And this year aften Bang backed more taxkes that would

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Speaker 9: cost Tennessee families thousands more.

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Speaker 7: I'm a very radical person.

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Speaker 9: We can't afford radical liberal aften Vane, so vote by Tuesday,

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Speaker 9: December second.

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Speaker 4: I'm often Vaine.

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Speaker 7: We all know the system is rigged in Washington. Here's

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Speaker 7: how it works. Politicians make it easy for their rich donors.

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Speaker 10: Tax cuts for billionaires and burying the Epstein files, while

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Speaker 10: hard working Tennesseeans get a rough ride by cutting healthcare

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Speaker 10: for Tennessee families, doubling health insurance bringims, and tariffs that

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Speaker 10: hurt our economy. I'm Afton Baine, and I approved this

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Speaker 10: message vote December second, to shake up Washington.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. There's a taste of what the

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Speaker 3: But any poor voters, man, I hate election season whenever

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Speaker 3: you have to see stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: you know what's interesting about that is you could distill

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Speaker 3: So what I mean by that is all of those

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Speaker 3: those were a lot of the ones, yeah, that they

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Speaker 3: ran against Kamala Harris, the famous you know kamos for

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Speaker 3: culture stuff that was very, very influential. The radical attack.

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Speaker 3: I've always been a bit skeptical of it. I don't

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Speaker 3: the resurgent left, which they thought was going to be

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Speaker 3: part of the Kamala campaign. Ash Afton's ad is much

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Speaker 3: more twenty twenty five coded, and that's actually I think

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Speaker 3: why she has a little bit of success is if

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Speaker 3: you watch that ad, you're talking about taxes, you're talking

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Speaker 3: stuff that really obviously gets people to end up talking

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Speaker 3: about the tax bill and also the tariffs, so coming

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Speaker 3: to inflation. So I'm actually very curious to see what

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Speaker 3: the results of this are. This is, you know, a

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Speaker 3: long time kind of Republican playbook, and the question is

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Speaker 1: Also, of course we're dealing with a special election.

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Speaker 3: Part of the difficulty, part of the reason I'm a

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Speaker 3: And special election is a very small sample size of

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Speaker 2: F Yeah, campaign, I mean, listen, I think she still

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Speaker 2: It will be very just the composition of this district

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Speaker 4: In a normal year, you wouldn't mean that we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: It would be a gimme Trump plus twenty two district.

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Speaker 4: Betrayed you on that issue.

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Speaker 2: I saw people saying, this is going to be, you know,

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Speaker 4: Let's put a four up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This was the most recent public poll and from a

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Speaker 4: That polls can be.

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Speaker 2: Extremely wrong, they could be wrong in either direction. Actually,

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Speaker 2: This is another indication of the nervousness here around this district.

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Speaker 4: Why does this matter?

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Speaker 2: And I think based on the Emerson poll that had

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Speaker 2: you know, even in somewhere so republican. Yes, Matt Vanipps

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Speaker 4: Trump loves me. Trump to not go to the district.

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Speaker 4: To come out and vote.

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Speaker 2: But we've also seen you know, in the past Sagara

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know what it says, as what

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Speaker 1: Like I went my congressman. His name was Chad Edwards.

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Speaker 3: He was the Republican who lost by the biggest or

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Speaker 3: We're about to do a whole segment on you're really

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Speaker 3: This guy I would say, probably gonna win. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yes, let me know what the margin was, because he

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Speaker 4: Three and a half points.

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Speaker 1: If they lose, it.

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Speaker 2: I was just looking at the polymarket odds. They have

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Speaker 2: But in any case, the other reason that this is that,

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Speaker 4: Of course, after race.

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Speaker 11: She was like office.

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Speaker 1: She's right, she's right. I will say though I did

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to not imagine if that what's Broadway or whatever,

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Speaker 2: But in any case, you know, the narrative about the

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Speaker 2: And here you have, you know, a candidate whose politics

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Speaker 4: So it's going to blow up.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very very interesting and blow up

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Speaker 4: So that's the other reason to watch this.

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Speaker 4: This is a six. Let's go ahead and take a

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Speaker 12: Mom Donnie is going to be the next mayor of

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Speaker 11: No, I don't, and thanks for having me. John.

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Speaker 13: Also, you know, the conventional wisdom regarding Mom Donnie was

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Speaker 13: that his victory was going to be a boon for

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Speaker 13: Republicans in the midterms because they could just point at

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Speaker 13: socialism and say, you know, there's the boogeyman.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that this is going to work.

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Speaker 13: I think there is a real misreading of the ground

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Speaker 13: in Middle America, the heartland, call it whatever you want.

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Speaker 13: I spend most of my time there talking to voters,

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Speaker 13: and they're not terrified of socialism, and they're not the

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Speaker 13: conservative what we used to call blue dog democrat types

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Speaker 13: that you expect to find there. One quick example, two

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Speaker 13: thirty somethings that I met in Dallas.

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Speaker 11: These guys were Democrats, but not hardcore.

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Speaker 13: Socialism came up. I asked a question that we hear

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Speaker 13: a lot on this channel. Where has it ever worked?

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Speaker 13: Without missing a beat? The first guy said Norway. Second

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Speaker 13: guy chimes in and says Sweden and Finland. Now, look,

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Speaker 13: we can debate that, and we kind of did those models.

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Speaker 13: But the takeaway here is that when I said socialism,

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Speaker 13: their mental image was not breadlines in Cuba or the

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Speaker 13: former Soviet Union. It was free healthcare and generous vacation

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Speaker 13: packages in Scandinavia. So I think Republicans have to understand

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Speaker 13: the ground is a little different than they think it is.

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Speaker 2: And this reminded me Sory. I saw a pole recently,

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Speaker 2: Canon's One pole who Knows That was asking people about like,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about socialism? And even in the Republicans,

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Speaker 2: it was not like the ninety nine percent like oh

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Speaker 2: my god.

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Speaker 4: That's terrible.

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Speaker 2: There was some a third of the Republican base that

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Speaker 2: was like, maybe, I mean, we're an.

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Speaker 4: Era of radical politics.

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Speaker 2: People are disgusted and they're fed up with the mainstream,

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Speaker 2: and you know, a label like social is still definitely

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Speaker 2: carries a stigma in the country, but it's breaking down

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Speaker 2: in a way because it's also a way to stick. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not like these of King Jeffreys, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 2: people that you hate. So it is also a way

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Speaker 2: of signaling that you are in some ways oppositional to

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Speaker 2: the existing Democratic Party. And you know, at a time

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Speaker 2: when people are feeling like they're they're screwed and they

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Speaker 2: don't have hope for the future, and they don't have

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Speaker 2: hope for their kids. Yeah, calling someone a radical is

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Speaker 2: not the epithet that perhaps it once was.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean the structural, the structural kind of like stew

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Speaker 3: for this has existed for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It happened with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: I mean we talked about this the norms, you know,

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Speaker 3: even on immigration. They're like, oh, it's Nazi, and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people still voted for him. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: could say it now if you want to. I still

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Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be all that effective. But

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Speaker 3: the point is is, like Trump won the popular vote

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four despite breaking all the norms and

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Speaker 3: saying whenever he wanted. Yes, we live in a radical age,

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Speaker 3: and that's why I also think the socialism thing. Let's

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Speaker 3: also just consider very briefly, like the long history of

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Speaker 3: the attacks. In the same way, if you've called every

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Speaker 3: democrat out a socialists since nineteen eighty basically, what is

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Speaker 3: it nineteen eighty four? I I want to say something

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Speaker 3: like that, mondale On, Well, at a certain point, you

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Speaker 3: know people my age who weren't even alive at that time.

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Speaker 3: It was a tired trope by the two thousands, so

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Speaker 3: now twenty twenty five, so you're at this point where

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Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, I don't know, man. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's one of those where if anything is good of

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Speaker 3: the destruction of establishment norms, mainstream media and all of that,

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Speaker 3: it's that most people, in my opinion, these days, are

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out stuff for themselves on their own terms. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, when you call someone a radical, we're like, well,

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Speaker 3: what do you mean by that? Exactly right? And so

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Speaker 3: if you say I don't know about healthcareer, like, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean that.

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Speaker 1: Seems kind of reasonable to me.

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Speaker 3: It might disagree on the implementation or whatever, but the

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Speaker 3: idea I'm not a posed saying whenever it comes to

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like even tariffs or any Trump ran

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Speaker 3: on tariffs in twenty sixteen, everyone said it's going to

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Speaker 3: do the economy. It's the worst idea in the world.

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Speaker 3: Even the idea of tariff's not the current terriffs. He

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Speaker 3: won because people were like, oh, kind of makes sense

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Speaker 3: to me. So I think it's one of those where

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Speaker 3: people need to understand that with the destruction of norms,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't just apply to the right, it applies to

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Speaker 3: the entire Overton window of political discoord. So that's kind

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Speaker 3: of why I think it's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Medicare for All has majority support in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, I mean we've discussed this.

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Speaker 3: I think that sometimes taking these polls to the bank

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Speaker 3: is not exactly the correct thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but the idea, okay, right, the fact.

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Speaker 2: That you even have a poll that is credible at

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Speaker 2: all that has a majority of Republicans where.

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Speaker 3: Like I guess so, well, I think the idea is

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Speaker 3: everyone should have healthcare. Now, you know, if we're going

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Speaker 3: to say, should we have a single pair government control healthcare?

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Speaker 1: No, I actually don't think that they'll be there.

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Speaker 3: I mean like everyone always says about bombacare well, technically

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Speaker 3: on paper it polls well, like no, it's well, I will.

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Speaker 2: Just say your caveats about polling, I totally take. I

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Speaker 2: think people are bad at like anticipating what they will

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Speaker 2: actually support and what the whatever. But the language of

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Speaker 2: the poll did say that, I mean, most private health

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Speaker 2: insurance would go away, and it still garnered majority Republican support.

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Speaker 2: It's a different day, and in some ways Trump has

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Speaker 2: opened the door to this because you know, he used

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Speaker 2: the language about the working class and about even about

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Speaker 2: healthcare that sort of co opted the left. So it

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Speaker 2: took some of the sting of the attacks on left

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Speaker 2: wing positions when you have the president. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't follow through on any of this shit, but using

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Speaker 2: some of the language and signaling like he's interested in

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Speaker 2: moving in a similar direction. I did want to flag

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Speaker 2: there a couple other races that are going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting tonight. Let's put a seven up on the screen, guys,

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Speaker 2: go check out Bolts magazine. Daniel mcshanean is you know,

559
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Speaker 2: unmatched in terms of like literally following every ballot initiative,

560
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Speaker 2: every down ballot race down to the like school board

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Speaker 2: and local prosecutor. Everything right, But in any case, he

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Speaker 2: flags a few different things that are happening today. Like

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Speaker 2: I said before, there's a number of kind of intra

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Speaker 2: Democratic party fights on the Atlanta, Georgia City Council. There

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Speaker 2: there are some DSA candidates versus some more traditional Democratic candidates.

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Speaker 2: So that's an interesting one. This one saga I think

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Speaker 2: you'll appreciate. There's an at large school board race in

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Speaker 2: Atlanta where you have a young person running for the

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Speaker 2: seat who in twenty sixteen went viral when, as a

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Speaker 2: fourteen year old high school student, he recited a poem

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Speaker 2: titled white Boy Privilege in a sam poetry competition in

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Speaker 2: his school. It is now running for the local school board.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember that particular I don't remember that, but

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Speaker 2: you don't remember it.

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Speaker 1: I've been online for a long time. If I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard of it, I'm just I'm a little sketch.

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Speaker 2: You're skeptical of the virality of this particular thing. There's

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Speaker 2: also some interesting Jersey City and other New Jersey races,

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Speaker 2: but in particular in Jersey City, do you guys remember

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Speaker 2: Jim McGreevy.

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Speaker 4: He was the governor of New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Democrat just had to resign a disgrace over like corruption.

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Speaker 2: I think he may have even served time in person.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a hundred percent sure about that. But he

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Speaker 2: also he was he came out as gay because he

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Speaker 2: like these I think affair allegations with a man came out,

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Speaker 2: so he came out as gay. And he's married to

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Speaker 2: a woman anyway, he's trying to make his comeback. He's

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Speaker 2: like a more like centrist establishment DEM and he's running

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Speaker 2: against a candidate who is backed by Working Families Party,

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Speaker 2: so more of a like lefty candidate. And there are

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Speaker 2: also city council members who are kind of the McGreevy

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Speaker 2: people and then the Working Families people. So that's playing

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Speaker 2: out in the New Jersey mayoral and city council races

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Speaker 2: as well. So that'll be kind of interesting to watch

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Speaker 2: in terms of a bell weather of where the Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party base is at this point.

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Speaker 4: So take a look at that one as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm interested to see.

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Speaker 3: We're always gonna look at these, the Tennessee one in particular,

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Speaker 3: Like we said, I would probably put my I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know at the same time, ninety ten with those.

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Speaker 4: Odds, I think I would actually play.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a big bet on it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it is not financial advice. You shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Betting is bad and he's degenerate purely from a math

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Speaker 3: a medical perspective.

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Speaker 1: Though, you know there's good value there. There's good value.

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Speaker 1: That's all same. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: If you're a betting man, they would look at that

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Speaker 3: and say, hey, you know what's the worst they could happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nine to ten odds, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I knew how to bet on poly market.

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Speaker 3: I might do it, but it's actually no hard But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give it tutorial for everybody who

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Speaker 3: is here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, sure Google could help us out with that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's really not that difficult. I think it's legal

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Speaker 3: now here, oh is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that they reach some settlement or whatever

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Speaker 3: with the CFTC so that you can do it, not

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Speaker 3: that you should, and definitely not that they should continue

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Speaker 3: down their sports betting, their sports betting turn which they

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Speaker 3: and all the other prediction markets are now going down.

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Speaker 1: Shocker. So interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: They went from very predictive in politics to chasing the

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Speaker 3: most degenerate, big market that exists.

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Speaker 1: But that's a segment for another day.

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Speaker 4: All right, should we get to try Yeah, let's get

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Speaker 4: to Trump.

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Speaker 2: He kind of hangs over all these elections, of course,

633
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Speaker 2: and over everything that's happening. Harry Enton had a good

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Speaker 2: breakdown of the latest of Believe. It's a Gallon poll

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Speaker 2: that came out that how does approval rating almost matching

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Speaker 2: his low after January sixth, So really, you know, pretty

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Speaker 2: grim numbers here coming out for Trump. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and take a listen to what Harry Entten how to say.

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Speaker 14: Look at this in January, Donald Trump's not approve rank

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Speaker 14: not too bad, not too great. It was at minus

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Speaker 14: one point, right within the margin verra breaking even. But

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Speaker 14: look at this now negative twenty four points, way way down.

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Speaker 14: We're talking about a drop of over twenty points in

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Speaker 14: the wrong direction for the president of the United States.

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Speaker 14: Minus twenty four points. That's a twenty three point move

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Speaker 14: in the incorrect direction if you're the president. And of course,

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Speaker 14: what's so important here, Sarah Seidner, is it matches the

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Speaker 14: trend that we've seen with other polls, that is Donald

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Speaker 14: Trump hitting his low for the second term. I was

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Speaker 14: doing the account last night. I think we're up to

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Speaker 14: ten polls in sort of the last forty days, ten

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Speaker 14: different posters who have said that Trump is at the

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Speaker 14: lowest point he is in his second term. I run

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Speaker 14: out of room on the side, so I just put

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Speaker 14: up the Republican presidents. But look, the only one who's

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Speaker 14: worse for me, either among Republicans or Democrats at this

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Speaker 14: point a second term is Richard Nixon. Of course, Richard

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Speaker 14: Nixon had to wave audio somigos goodbye. Less than a

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Speaker 14: year after this Paul was taken. He was at minus

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Speaker 14: thirty six points. Trump at minus twenty four points.

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Speaker 11: That beats or.

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Speaker 14: Is worse, I should say, beats in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 11: George W. Bush minus nineteen points.

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Speaker 14: His Republican party, of course, suffered major losses in the

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Speaker 14: two thousand and six mid term elections. Dwight Eisenhower plus

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Speaker 14: thirty one points. Now Trump has never smelt that at all.

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Speaker 14: I had to go into the archives to pick up

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Speaker 14: that photo. And Ronald Reagan at plus forty one points.

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Speaker 14: But again, it also is worse than Harry S.

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Speaker 11: Truman. It's worse than Lindon Mains Johnson. It's worse than

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Speaker 11: Barack Obama.

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Speaker 14: It's worse than Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 11: Anywhere you look.

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Speaker 14: This is the second worst for a president of either

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Speaker 14: party at this point in their second term.

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Speaker 11: Dating all the way back.

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Speaker 14: Since the nineteen forties, were there any presidents who saw

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Speaker 14: their net approval ratings rise by more than five points? Well,

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Speaker 14: guess what, Sarah Sider, you go all the way back

680
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Speaker 14: since Harry S. Truman, zero out of eight times that

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Speaker 14: the presidents then approved rating rise by over five point.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the midterms impact. You can put the

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Speaker 2: next tear sheet up on the screen. This is the

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Speaker 2: actual gallop numbers. Here you can see, you know, pretty

686
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Speaker 2: clear trend disapproval rising and rising, approval rating falling and falling,

687
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Speaker 2: lowest point yet in this term. So the trend is

688
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Speaker 2: not good. And if you dig into those numbers, what

689
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Speaker 2: was actually interesting is, you know, there was no really

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Speaker 2: lower that Democrats could go in terms of their approval

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Speaker 2: rating of Trump. They've basically been at three percent approval

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Speaker 2: rating for him from the beginning. You know, with a

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Speaker 2: little bit of ups and downs. The movement really comes

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Speaker 2: from two places. It comes from Independence, who from the

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Speaker 2: last reading dropped from a thirty three percent approval to

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Speaker 2: a twenty five percent approval. But some of the movement

697
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Speaker 2: also comes from Republicans. At the last reading, they were

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Speaker 2: at ninety one percent approval, and now they're down at

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Speaker 2: eighty four percent approval. Now those are still very you know,

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Speaker 2: eighty four percent overwhelmingly favorable towards Trump. But he's kind

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Speaker 2: of famous for having this absolute lock on the Republican base.

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Speaker 2: And you know, he had a recent high of ninety

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Speaker 2: three percent support among Republicans, So that number has dropped

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Speaker 2: almost ten points, and that's part of what is contributing

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Speaker 2: to this overall decline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, I say this all the time for

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Speaker 3: all of these Republicans.

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Speaker 1: They're like, MAGA doesn't care. I go, is MAGA the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party? Uh no, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Or or we can say this is MAGA everybody who

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Speaker 3: voted for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: They just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Is that MAGA is a distinct maybe twenty five thirty

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Speaker 3: percent of the US population. How many and let's say

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Speaker 3: of voters, twenty five to thirty five percent of voters,

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Speaker 3: because it's a little bit higher for people who voted. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So where does the rest of it all come from?

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Speaker 3: Because how did you get to fifty plus one? Whenever

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Speaker 3: you came to winning the election. That is how you win.

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Speaker 3: That's what the whole ballgame is about. And they don't

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Speaker 3: seem to understand how I mean in a way, I

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Speaker 3: think we're probably perfectly poised. That's our audience, that's our

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Speaker 3: that's our bread. And are people who are more undecided

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Speaker 3: a little bit more different. They're not deeply partisan, So

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Speaker 3: I understand these people. We swim in these waters. It's

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Speaker 3: just so obvious now for over a year that things

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Speaker 3: have dramatically shifted I think against their momentum. I said

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Speaker 3: this before. I think March really was a demarcation point

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Speaker 3: for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: That was the height of doughe idiocy.

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Speaker 3: That's when it became pretty clear that was also the

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Speaker 3: Mike Waltz scandal signal thing. I mean was kind of

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Speaker 3: just like all it was like, oh, okay, so like

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Speaker 3: this this is the movie. Anybody who thought the movie

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Speaker 3: was going to be different. We're in the second act.

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Speaker 3: It's on like it's bad now, and we could all

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Speaker 3: kind of see where things were beginning to go. And

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of the American People Liberation Day

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Speaker 3: in particular, that's when they really saw where all things

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Speaker 3: worre things going to go, and the way that that

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Speaker 3: was handled.

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Speaker 1: They just never recovered from it. And this is part of.

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Speaker 3: The problem with their understanding of the general electorate is

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Speaker 3: that they still believe a lot of these Republicans that

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Speaker 3: if they just continue to suck up and kiss Trump's

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Speaker 3: ass in the most like you know, fawning ways, that

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Speaker 3: that will keep their power base in Washington. But that

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Speaker 3: has the electoral dynamics that enabled that last time around.

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Speaker 3: They don't exist anymore. Trump is way less popular today

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Speaker 3: than he was last time around. Friend of mine, Kurt Mills,

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Speaker 3: shared an article with me about how we're talking about

752
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Speaker 3: like George W. Bush December two thousand and five territory,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, if you weren't alive at that time.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: It was like, that's what led to Nancy Pelosi and

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Speaker 3: this huge Democratic wave. It was a precursor to Barack Obama.

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama's never president. If that two thousand and five,

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Speaker 3: two thousand, if that two thousand and six Democratic wave

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Speaker 3: doesn't happen, that's literally what enables him to run for

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Speaker 3: the White House.

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Speaker 1: And all kinds of people.

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Speaker 3: Were winning at that time, who were Democrats who had

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Speaker 3: no business even being in there, And then think about

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Speaker 3: the course of history that that eventually ended up having.

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Speaker 3: These have ripple effects for a long long time, and

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Speaker 3: especially on the economy. We're right back to where we

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Speaker 3: were twenty eighteen, except this time Trump is actually more

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Speaker 3: unpopular than he was at that time. He actually still

769
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Speaker 3: had I think quite a bit going for him, But

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Speaker 3: this time it's just like, I don't know, in a ways,

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Speaker 3: it's all Trump's fault, like he has surrounded him.

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Speaker 1: He's not campaigning very much.

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Speaker 3: I think he lives in an information bubble, purely of

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Speaker 3: mar Lago and of his advisors who just tell him

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Speaker 3: what they want to hear.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that.

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Speaker 3: He actually was always good at is he did so

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Speaker 3: many rallies. I covered them, I was at so many

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Speaker 3: of these. He actually was quote in touch with people

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Speaker 3: by just constantly field testing stuff. When's the last rally,

781
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Speaker 3: can anybody even doesn't even even know?

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Speaker 1: He's not interested.

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Speaker 3: He only cares about getting himself elected, So he's not

784
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Speaker 3: out there even with the voters. This is a problem

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Speaker 3: always for presidents, particularly second term presidents. They don't have

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Speaker 3: the incentive year old, especially an eighty year old, right exactly,

787
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Speaker 3: you could just keep all think about all the structural

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Speaker 3: things where even the good ones they have big problems

789
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Speaker 3: staying at being out of touch, not being in touch

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Speaker 3: with like the voters, trying to keep their pulse on

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Speaker 3: where things are, and then think about the information environment

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Speaker 3: that they're swimming in. Apparently he was true thing over

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Speaker 3: you know, two or three hundred things in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the night last night, right, just literally just true

795
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Speaker 3: social stuff like that's the that's.

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Speaker 1: The world that you're living in. You have no idea

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Speaker 1: what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Right right, I mean the information ecosystem. It's not just

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Speaker 2: about who physically he's surrounding himself with. But during the

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Speaker 2: first term he was on Twitter, and Twitter had a

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Speaker 2: lot of I mean especially that was.

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Speaker 4: Pre Elon, so there were a lot of liberals.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of opposition on Twitter that he

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Speaker 2: would have to at least you know, see and deal with.

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Speaker 2: And now he's you know, largely on true social and

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Speaker 2: so even that is an information cocoon. Atlantic wrote a

807
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Speaker 2: pretty good piece with some reporting about exactly the dynamic

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Speaker 2: that you're talking about, and this is Jonathan Leamyron here,

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Speaker 2: let me.

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Speaker 4: Read this this portion.

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Speaker 2: They talk about true social talk about the fact, like

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Speaker 2: you said that they compared. He went and compared the

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Speaker 2: first term schedule versus this term. The difference was incredibly dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Talked about how there's no more rallies. He's either you know,

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Speaker 2: at the White House or posted at mar A Lago,

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Speaker 2: or when he's traveled, it's been overseas. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: been to you know, do humped on the sea here

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Speaker 2: or there and try to get his Nobel prize and

819
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Speaker 2: the other thing. He's fixated on his frecking ballroom. But

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Speaker 2: he says this term, there are very few voices inside

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Speaker 2: the White House to tell Trump no or get him

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Speaker 2: back on track, and that's by design. At the start

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Speaker 2: of his first term, Trump field his team with a

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Speaker 2: mix of veterans of past Republican administrations and figures from

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Speaker 2: the GOP establishment who moderated some of his more extreme impulses.

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Speaker 2: But Trump chased at those roadblocks. In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: he surrounded himself with enablers, not figures, such as John Kelly,

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Speaker 2: Rex Tillerson and James Mattis. Trump trusts his own instincts,

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Speaker 2: and points to his historic reelection as proof that he

830
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Speaker 2: provides his own best counsel. His chief of staff, Susie

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Speaker 2: Wows has being clear she does not see her role

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Speaker 2: as constraining the president. More Over, there as not a

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Speaker 2: Republican leader on the other end of Pennsylvania avenue to

834
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Speaker 2: play the role of Mitch McConnell and check Trump's power.

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Speaker 2: And although Trump still calls his old friends back in

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Speaker 2: New York, and this part I found really interesting, he

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Speaker 2: does it less frequently than during his first term. Someone

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Speaker 2: familiar with the calls told me, depriving the president of

839
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Speaker 2: candid feedback from people who have known him for decades

840
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Speaker 2: and may not agree with him on every issue. Instead,

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Speaker 2: his focus has been on the business titans and billionaires

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Speaker 2: with whom he has frequently dined at the White House

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Speaker 2: and at mar A Lago, who wants something from him

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Speaker 2: and tell him what he wants to hear. So instead

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Speaker 2: of the you know, I mean largely conservatives, certainly on

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Speaker 2: economic issues, business guys that he used to chat with

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Speaker 2: on the phone in his first term, now he's got

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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg there kissing his az and Sam.

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Speaker 4: Altman and Elon and.

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Speaker 2: Whoever, right, all these tech oligarchs who are just there

851
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Speaker 2: to bring him gold bars and kiss his feet and

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Speaker 2: beg for their tear of car bounds or their goodies

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is that they want from him. That's

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Speaker 2: what he's surrounded with now. And then the other piece

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Speaker 2: is like, this is an old man. He has never

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Speaker 2: really given a shit about the Republican Party, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure he cares that much. That his policies are

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Speaker 2: wildly out of step with the American public, you know,

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Speaker 2: and he's increasingly sort of disengaged.

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Speaker 4: And then this is the other part.

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Speaker 2: Is outside of the individual policies, where people are very

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Speaker 2: sour on the economy, they've soured on the immigration cruelty,

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Speaker 2: you know, they've Sager was talking about some of the

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Speaker 2: like the chaos and the scandals, which are always exhausting

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Speaker 2: to people and people do not enjoy. In addition to that,

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Speaker 2: now you're also Trump is really finally.

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Speaker 4: Starting to show his age.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's visibly falling asleep in meetings, and they're

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00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: increasingly health questions, especially around he kind of accidentally revealed

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Speaker 2: that he had this MRI recently, and so there have

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Speaker 2: been a lot of questions about what was the MRI

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Speaker 2: for can we see the results, et cetera. Caroline Levitt

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Speaker 2: had to feel a question about this yesterday.

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Speaker 4: This is B three. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 15: As part of President Trump's comprehensive executive physical, advanced imaging

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Speaker 15: was performed because men in his age group benefit from

877
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Speaker 15: a thorough evaluation of cardiovascular and abdominal health. The purpose

878
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 15: of this imaging is preventative, to identify any issues early,

879
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 15: confirm overall health, and ensure the president maintains long term

880
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 15: vitality and function. Everything evaluated is functioning within normal limits

881
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 15: with no acute or chronic concerns. In summary, this level

882
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 15: of detailed assessment is standard for an executive physical at

883
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 15: President Trump's age and confirms that he remains an excellent

884
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 15: overall health.

885
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Speaker 2: And let's put before up on the screen as well.

886
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: They felt like they needed to release this memo from

887
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: the you know, the White House's doctor.

888
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: Of course.

889
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: It says, oh, his cardiovascular imaging is perfectly normal. There's

890
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: no evidence of arterial narrowing and pairing, blood flow or abnormalities. Overall,

891
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: his cardiovascular system shows excellent health. His abdominal imaging is

892
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: also perfectly normal. So in any case, you know, they

893
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: at least feel enough pressure to have to put out

894
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: something from the White House physician, for Caroline Levitt to

895
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: have to address it from the podium. And you know,

896
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: when voters start go these questions in their mind and

897
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: they see an aging president who you know, increasingly photos

898
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: are coming out where really doesn't look too great, and

899
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: where he's you know, sleepy at the meetings and all

900
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: of those sorts of things, it also contributes to a

901
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: general vibe of malaise and the administration being adrift, which

902
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: is very similar dynamic to what we saw in the

903
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Biden administration as well.

904
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean that's the same problem. It seems

905
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: the only way to counteract it. One of the how

906
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: did Trump counteract the age thing in the twenty twenty

907
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: four campaign.

908
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: He was everywhere, Yeah, all the.

909
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 4: Times, being very vigorous out there at the rally.

910
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 3: Also, I mean I haven't heard anything in particular. Yeah,

911
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: he's like fallen asleep. I've seen a few times he

912
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: did do it in the first term too. I remember

913
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: a few of those hilarious incidents that said, what the

914
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: only way to counteract it is what Biden and Trump

915
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: apparently didn't want to do.

916
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Is appear out in public all the time.

917
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is, you know, mostly in public

918
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: I would say the Oval Office or others.

919
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: It's not really Biden territory.

920
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: But the fact is is like this stuff, it gettings

921
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: currency and in particular when people there's something about the

922
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: elderly thing. I think for me too, is when you

923
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: feel as if things are slipping away and you don't

924
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: have much of a voice, and then you add the

925
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: like elderly component of like these eighty ninety year olds

926
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: or whatever who are in power, who truly don't care

927
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Speaker 3: about you, it makes you feel very.

928
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Speaker 2: Abandoned and have no investment and have no investment in

929
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: your He's not going to be around.

930
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: He doesn't really give a shit, you know.

931
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that that is part of the vibe,

932
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: and I don't want to make it like I mean,

933
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: the deterioration on Biden was was something else, right, It's

934
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: not the same. I'm not saying it's the same. And

935
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Speaker 2: Trump has always been like incoherent in his ramblings, so

936
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: he's still obviously a much more effective communicator than Biden

937
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: was during his term. But you know, I think there's

938
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: this sense of decline and having this visibly aging, declining leader,

939
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, heading up the country contributes to that sense

940
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: of the country as a drift and we're not getting

941
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Speaker 2: things back on tracks.

942
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Speaker 4: So anyway, not a.

943
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: Great picture, and like I said, obviously has major impact

944
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: on how this election, these elections today are going to go,

945
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: how the midterms are going to go, and what's going

946
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: to come next after this term of trump Ism.

947
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's uh.

948
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Speaker 3: Look, it sets the Republican Party up for a very

949
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: difficult fight because you have to build.

950
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing Trump.

951
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: Remember, Trump will not he will not allow anything new

952
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: to come because that would be offensive to him. He

953
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: can't allow any breakage. He'll drag it down if he

954
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: wants to. Most Republicans you know, look, you're not You're

955
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: never gonna hear me say anything nice about Bush.

956
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: But I do remember that at one point he even told.

957
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: McCain and he's like, just say whatever you want about me,

958
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: if you need to get elected, yeato.

959
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: That She would have the same thing. She's like, look,

960
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: you need to attack me to win. Who gives a shit.

961
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: He does not think about that at all.

962
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: That's not his vio.

963
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily something that he is going to be.

964
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: And I mean, look at Marjorie Taylor Green, like she

965
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: was his fears as critic, and she felt enough pressure

966
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: in whatever way that she decided she had to resign

967
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: even though no one has more sort of credibile with

968
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: the MAGA bas separate apart.

969
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: From Trump, then she does. So it shows you that even.

970
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: As Republicans see like we're going to have to do

971
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: something different.

972
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: I'm not super happy about this.

973
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: You see some we're going to talk more about the

974
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: Pete Hegse thing. There actually is some breakage with the

975
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: White House over that. Although that's different than being directly

976
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: against Trump, but it is still an indication of, like,

977
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: you know, the power and the control slipping a little bit.

978
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: But we shouldn't fool ourselves. Like he still remains, you know,

979
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: incredibly powerful leader of the Republican Party who can exact

980
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: pain on his adversaries within that party, and so you

981
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: know that's still the overall dynamic within the coalition.

982
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, let's get to Epstein.

983
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: Turning out to Jeffrey Epstein, this is some exclusive reporting

984
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: I can offer work to our friends over at dropsite.

985
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: Shout out to Ryan Grimm in particular sharing some of

986
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: these emails with me. Been spending many hours going through them.

987
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: This is the first one that we can put up

988
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: there on the screen. So my headline here is quote

989
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: Epstein emails, is that as things started to circle the

990
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: drain here with Jeffrey Epstein, there was a very interesting

991
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: email that I found inside of his own sent inbox

992
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: that he sent to himself. And the headline here is

993
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: Epstein emails show concerns over roughly twenty underage girls as

994
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: the FEDS close in. So I'm going to read directly

995
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: from this email that Epstein sent to himself in April

996
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: of two thousand and seven. He says, quote in an

997
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: email tied him to himself that was titled privileged and confidential,

998
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: spelled incorrectly as I see it. A following is the

999
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: summary of the situation. Though I required girls over eighteen,

1000
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: the results don't reflect it. The FEDS have spoken to

1001
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: or know of girls between the ages of sixteen to eighteen.

1002
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: If we are to extrapolate, we should assume there are

1003
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: twenty girls in that age Rain adding they will all

1004
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 3: claim topless.

1005
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: Massage plus dot. That's the bad news. Now.

1006
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: The reason why I think that's very important. Is it

1007
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: corroborates the federal investigation that came out at the time,

1008
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: which they said that they had some confirmed thirty four

1009
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: miners that they had spoken to. But for me, what's

1010
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: really important about this email is basically the admission of guilt,

1011
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 3: saying that was not always the case, and in fact,

1012
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: in his plea agreement, the Sweetheart Deal, he had to

1013
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: plea to only one miner who was listed at the

1014
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: oldest one, none of the women who were girls really

1015
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: between thirteen and seventeen, So actually admitting basically two dozens

1016
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: effectively in his own private email communication. So that's kind

1017
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: of one where I thought, I said, Wow, I mean

1018
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: this guy basically admitted to the crime.

1019
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: In his own email email and an emails.

1020
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: Well I was intended for, I think for his legal team,

1021
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: but he's like, as I see it as a following

1022
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: summary of the situation. Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg News

1023
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: has done a lot of the legal work in terms

1024
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: of publishing his legal comms already, so I won't go

1025
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: fully into that, but one thing I just wanted to

1026
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: highlight for everybody is this memo I found, which is

1027
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: fascinating This is from two thousand and six, and this

1028
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: is the earlier side of the federal.

1029
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: Investigation into Epstein.

1030
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: So what Epstein has done is he's hired Alan Dershwitz

1031
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: over at Harvard, and Alan Dershwitz has this research assistant

1032
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: named Mitch Weber. Mitch Webber went on to work at

1033
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: the White House. He's a very high profile reporter, a

1034
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: lawyer here in Washington. Now, this was when, in the

1035
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: early part of his career back in six, Weber wrote

1036
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: a memo for Epstein which was titled possible federal violations

1037
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: worst case scenario. He wrote that quote, it is likely

1038
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: in some way or another, Epstein's communications with his messuses

1039
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: in Palm Beach triggered jurisdiction under eighteen USC. Fifteen ninety one.

1040
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: The relevant section of that federal law is quote prostituting

1041
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: minors in interstate commerce, and specifically from section fifteen ninety one.

1042
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: The long legal memo is basically and by the way,

1043
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: there's so many different emails back and forth, which Jason

1044
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: has already reported, where Epstein's like, look into federal sex

1045
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: tourism laws and he's like, well, what if I brought

1046
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: a girl who was sixteen to a state where the

1047
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 3: age of consent was below eighteen.

1048
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: Whow would that go?

1049
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: So they're constantly workshopping various different legal theories for why

1050
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: ultimately he's not culpable in this entire thing. And what's

1051
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: also very interesting is that inside of those emails was

1052
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: this two thousand and seven letter which was sent to

1053
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: the attorney US Attorney Alex Acosta, the US attorney who

1054
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: gave Epstein that sweetheart deal. This was a letter which

1055
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: was actually written by Kennet Starr, so the former you know,

1056
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: the guy who led the impeachment stuff.

1057
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Very powerful.

1058
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: Remember that Bush white House is in power here at

1059
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: the time. And their entire argument focuses not really on

1060
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: Epstein himself. They're like, this is a local matter. This

1061
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: is no local crime has been committed. But if it was,

1062
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't that.

1063
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Big of a deal. The Feds have no interest in

1064
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: this case. These girls, it's all victim blaming. They lied

1065
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: to Epstein about their age. There's a lot of attacking

1066
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: the victim. And thus this is what they write, This

1067
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: case is at art a local matter that is being

1068
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: fully addressed by the state criminal justice system. Not true.

1069
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: Remember that the palm Beach police are the ones who

1070
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 3: called the FBI. They said, hey, we can't get this done.

1071
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: We need you to step in. Here, they continue, there's

1072
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: every reason to believe that the state process will result

1073
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: in appropriate resolution of this matter may vindicate any conceivable

1074
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: federal interest. Thus, there's no federal interests that could justify

1075
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: a federal prosecution, and consequently, under the petite policy, any

1076
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: federal involvement in this case must be discontinued. Eventually, alex

1077
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: Acosta signs a non prosecution agreement despite some thirty four

1078
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: confirmed miners that were there. Again, Epstein even admitting basically

1079
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: to this in his own emails. And I think more importantly, though,

1080
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: is that you had this memo where originally they were like, hey,

1081
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: this is this could be a real problem, and then

1082
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: they eventually move away from it. So I did reach

1083
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: out to Mitch Weber did not respond to any of

1084
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: my requests for comment. Here's what Alandersch was told me.

1085
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: He says, quote, this was a lawyer and client confidential

1086
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: communication from a research assistant. My more experienced judgment is

1087
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: that it would be difficult. The prosecutors apparently agreed with me,

1088
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: so in order to minimize the risk to them, they

1089
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: agree to a state deal. That's how pleabarins are reached.

1090
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: Both sides seek to minimize risks. Nothing unusual here, That's

1091
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: what Alan Derschwitz told me in an email. But I mean,

1092
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: I do think it is important that his own legal

1093
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: team at that time, or Mitch White, the research assistant

1094
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: here for Alan Dershowitz, was like, hey, you know, it's

1095
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: actually I mean, to be fair, it was titled worst

1096
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: case scenario and all that they eventually were able to

1097
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 3: move past it. But the admission of guilt, the fact

1098
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: that Epstein, I mean, and he's back and forth. It's

1099
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 3: just literally constant. And again you can go and read

1100
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: some of this from Jason Leopold where he's asking about

1101
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: federal text sextum laws and constantly playing with the age

1102
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: of consent about sixteen to eighteen what if I did this?

1103
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: And that he's coaching Kenneth Starr through you guys. I mean,

1104
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 3: it's incomprehensible the way that he writes. But when you

1105
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: are to start to bring it together, he starts writing

1106
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: these long narratives and memos for Kenneth's Starr to explain

1107
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: why he's now involved in the case.

1108
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: And it's not about Jeffrey. And he's writing letters.

1109
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: I found multiple letters from Epstein which he's writing for

1110
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: other people about my friend Jeffrey. He's editing them about

1111
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 3: how great of a guy he is, wants other people

1112
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: and to send them to him.

1113
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: It's all character witness.

1114
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you the creepiest part is right around

1115
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: the time that it comes public is all these emails.

1116
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: And again Jason's reported this stuff.

1117
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: Is all these emails in the inbox from all of

1118
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: these rich and powerful people.

1119
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: Can't believe this happened to you. What a travesty of justice.

1120
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, billionaire, billionaire, billionaire, former UK ambassador. They're like, what,

1121
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: this is so horrible, it would never happen to you.

1122
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 3: I can't believe this, you know, Glaane, Oh my god,

1123
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: my love, I'm so sorry. I mean, you know, by

1124
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 3: the way Gallaine in terms of about what she told

1125
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: Todd Blanche, I mean just from what I've read some

1126
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: six hundred and eighty emails eventually that they exchange between

1127
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: the two of them, the number of things that she

1128
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: obfuscated in her testimony, it's unbelievable. Again, Jason has reported

1129
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: some of this stuff which just goes into their relationship.

1130
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: But I've now had your chance to read a lot

1131
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: of it for myself, and it's shocking. And finally, the

1132
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: one thing, remember I sent to the group chat yesterday Lolite.

1133
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: In the months before he died, I'm going through so

1134
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: Epstein did that classic thing where he linked his old

1135
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: email to Amazon, and so all of his Amazon orders

1136
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 3: are in there.

1137
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: Really creep, creep, sec shit is there.

1138
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: But also, three months before his death the annotated and

1139
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: revised Lolita, so he needed the annotated Lolita copy. He

1140
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: also bought it on audible so he could listen to it.

1141
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so hey, there's two separate purchases.

1142
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: It's just two on the nose.

1143
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: It's creepy too.

1144
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: The you know, best known novel about pedophilia and here,

1145
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: so I haven't read the book.

1146
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: Where my wife read the book, she was like, you

1147
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: do know that the book is like he's the villain, right,

1148
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: you know? Like, yeah, it's like the whole book is

1149
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: about how the pedophile is the villain. Yes, And so

1150
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: it's like, so were people reading this book and they

1151
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: just didn't get the book.

1152
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: Like it's written from his perspective right in prison, right, No, not. Well,

1153
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: maybe he isn't, I don't remember, but it's written from

1154
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: his perspective of how he's trying to lure in this

1155
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: young girl Lolita.

1156
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 4: It was like a try a triold was.

1157
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Like her stepfather or something.

1158
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, something had some sort of a relationship with her

1159
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: that brought him into contact with her.

1160
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: I don't remember the details.

1161
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: Has been like over a decade since I read it,

1162
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: but that's the general vibe. It's just got I mean,

1163
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: it's it's deeply disturbing, but in any case, way too

1164
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: on the nose that that's what he's ordering months before

1165
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: he goes to prison and ends up killing himself in prison.

1166
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: As that way, you know, I want you to just

1167
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: reiterate for people the timeline here because I think this

1168
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 2: is really important. So I think we already knew, but again,

1169
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: this is important to emphasize because I don't think a

1170
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: lot of people realize this that the FEDS knew about

1171
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: He thinks twenty under age.

1172
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Well, they admit took thirty four.

1173
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: We eventually find an email, and email is released in

1174
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, which says from the Feds we knew about

1175
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: thirty four victims that was never reported before.

1176
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: That time.

1177
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: So that gets to how ridiculous the whole sweetheart deal was.

1178
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: But the thing is is he's admitting to himself in

1179
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: his private communications that was not always the case. I

1180
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: do think it's extraordinary. I mean, basically found the email,

1181
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: he admitted it guilty, he admitted as guilt.

1182
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: So and he's trying to grapple with Okay, well, how

1183
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: much do they have on me. Let's assume that they've

1184
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: got probably twenty Yeah.

1185
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: He goes, well, if we can extrapolate.

1186
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: It underage And of course I didn't. I was It's

1187
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: not what I was targeting.

1188
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: But you know, some of them are underage and accidentally

1189
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that they have that.

1190
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 4: And then they go.

1191
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: And this is also where power and privilege and position

1192
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: makes a difference. This incredibly high powered legal team, oh

1193
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: millions of incredibly connect I mean, the most connected people

1194
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: you can imagine.

1195
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: Yet a crisis PR firm who I was advising you.

1196
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: I've read his memos again, Jason has published that. You

1197
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: can you can read the memos crisis PR firm, different

1198
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: words to use. I mean, he threw I would estimate

1199
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: something like ten million dollars in this case.

1200
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: And this is the Bush administration at the time, and

1201
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: they're able to go to straight to whoever the decision

1202
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: maker is, Elie, you really want to deal with this.

1203
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: And also I'm sure there was lots of like, look

1204
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: at how messy they'll look at all the people who

1205
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: support him and are friends with him, and maybe you

1206
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: should just leave this to the state level. And that

1207
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: argument from them won the day, and that's what enables

1208
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: Alex DaCosta to be in the position to craft the

1209
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: sweetheart deal. So I think it's really revealing from that

1210
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: perspective of as well, just of how they were approaching

1211
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: all of this, where they thought their risks were, and

1212
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: the way they were able to work the system so

1213
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: that he gets barely a slap on the wrist, and

1214
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: you still, because he gets barely a slap on the wrist,

1215
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: you still have Alan Dershowitz to this day going on

1216
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: and saying, well, he was only convicted of these very

1217
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: minor offenses. I don't know what people are making such

1218
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: a big right.

1219
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: See, that's the thing about dersh is, Dude, you're on

1220
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: these I'm assuming I cannot prove this, but like that

1221
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: email that he sent himself about privileged and confidential. I'm

1222
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: assuming he's forward to that to his legal team's conversations.

1223
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: Having them, you know, oral conversations with right two.

1224
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: So I mean Alan basically coming out like he wasn't

1225
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: a pedophile, he was only convicted of a seventeen year

1226
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: old girl or whatever. It's like, well, they had thirty

1227
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 3: four confirmed miners from the FEDS and and here here's

1228
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: here he is. He said it to himself, I did it.

1229
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: You know, not all always the case. We should extrapolate,

1230
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, sixteen to twenty. It ended up being even

1231
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: more than that from what the FAEDS have, and I

1232
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: mean again, the nextust of power and all this stuff

1233
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: and the emails. Most of this has been reported, like

1234
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: Doug Band, this guy's Clinton's body man. At one point

1235
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, guys, I can't get a commercial flight.

1236
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: I need to get so and so I want to

1237
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: go watch a basketball game. Is air Force g Max available?

1238
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: That's what he wrote to Glene Maxwell and Glane Fords

1239
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: at Epstein.

1240
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you want me to do here?

1241
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, just go ahead and pay

1242
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: for him.

1243
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: He's like, he's willing to cover the private jet costs now,

1244
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: Doug band says he never took the flight to be fair,

1245
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: But you know this is Clinton's body man that they're

1246
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: constantly in connection. They were like trying to buy some

1247
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: watch off of each other, like some Odmar pige super

1248
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: expensive watch. You can see like his degeneracy, not just

1249
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: sexual stuff all within. He's constantly inquiring about Sikorsky helicopters

1250
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: and yachts. And that's also kind of noteworthy to me.

1251
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: Little Saint James, Oh my god, the number of emails

1252
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: I've read of him him micromanaging the Little Saint James

1253
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: property and like this each specific construction, it was like

1254
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: his little you know paradise that really that he crafted

1255
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: intimately from the gardens to the walls and others. And

1256
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: you can see how he's constantly using Little Saint James

1257
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: as this nexus to like try and get people to

1258
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 3: come visit him.

1259
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: And the Virgin Island government right covered protected him, covered

1260
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: for him.

1261
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: I'll hopefully have a story about the Virgin Island government,

1262
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: so I can't. I'm still digging down in it. But

1263
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: he was involved in the gubernatorial.

1264
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 1: Races down there.

1265
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look, this time period from which we have

1266
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: access to is like two thousand and five to roughly

1267
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: like two thousand and eight. So that's why it's important,

1268
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: is we have a lot of the legal communications. But frankly,

1269
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why he starts this new email,

1270
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is that this email was after the

1271
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Palm Beach pd had started looking into him. So the

1272
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: real stuff I think is in the pre five but

1273
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: I think he deleted his inbox or something because we

1274
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 3: haven't been able to get an ex If you're listening,

1275
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 3: you have access, said.

1276
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan said that there was evidence that some things

1277
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 2: had been deleted, and oh, you know.

1278
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: You can see there's there's big chunks of months that

1279
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: are missing. He was covering his tracks. He Glain did

1280
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: the same thing in a lot of her emails. She said,

1281
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: this is my new email. If you're emailing my old one,

1282
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: please don't do that anymore. They were starting to change

1283
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: up kind of their opsect or realize they have if

1284
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: you will, right around two thousand and five, well that's

1285
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: when the Palm Beach PDA starts to investigate.

1286
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: Well, people have been sharing resharing this quote from Larry Summers,

1287
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: who of course was very close to Jeffrey Epstein, confidante

1288
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: and asking him for girl advice, and you know has

1289
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: called him his wingman and whatever. Just to give you

1290
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: a sense of the mindset of these people. So this

1291
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: is something that he said to Jannis Vera Faucus, the

1292
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: former Greek finance minister who wrote about this in his

1293
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: memoir Adults in the Room. Vera Faucus was talking to Summers,

1294
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: and Summers said that he needed to choose between being

1295
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: an insider or an outsider, and he said, quote this

1296
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: is Summers. The outsiders prioritize their freedom to speak their.

1297
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: Version of the truth.

1298
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: The price of their freedom is that they are ignored

1299
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: by the insiders who make the important decisions. The insiders,

1300
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: for their part, follow a sacrisanct rule never turn against

1301
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: other insiders and never talk to outsiders about what insiders

1302
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: say or do. Their reward question mark access to inside

1303
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: information and a chance. They're no guarantee of influencing powerful

1304
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: people and outcomes. So someone who was deeply en messed

1305
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: in the circle, Larry Summers, who is an ultimate consummate insider,

1306
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: he's explaining to Yannis fair Faucus that if you want

1307
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: to be an insider and you want to have a

1308
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: chance to impact powerful people and make policy. The rule

1309
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: is you can't snitch on us. You got to keep

1310
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: your mouth silent shut about anything to do with us.

1311
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: You never turn against other insiders. And that seems to

1312
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: be the code more than anything that kept this whole depraved, sociopathic,

1313
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: pedophile ring of elites going for years and years and years.

1314
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, on the Larry Summers thing,

1316
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 3: you know who told Epstein he should read Lolita. Larry

1317
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: Summer's wife.

1318
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Who is recommending this book?

1319
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: Best man have been the first to recommendation.

1320
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: Where That's why the eyes wide shut piece that we

1321
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: covered the last time we were talking about this, Like

1322
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: it is true, like these people are weird. I like again,

1323
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: I know a decent amount of people, even some more powerful.

1324
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: It's just like, whatever this is that exists in this inbox,

1325
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: I have never been exposed to it. I honestly, if

1326
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: you had told me before I ever got into the

1327
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: Epstein story, it'dened like you're crazy, it's just not true.

1328
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: But like, no, it's true, it's real, Like there actually

1329
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: is a call for me.

1330
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: Was that eye opening moment of like holy shit, because

1331
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: this is this man's fiftieth birthday present. It's been compiled

1332
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: from all these different friends and you know, associates and

1333
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: acquaintances and former presidents and you know, all the Larry

1334
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: Summers is in their Trump's and there Bill Clinton's, and

1335
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: like they're all in there, and almost all of them

1336
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: are weird and creepy and sexual and these weird like

1337
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: child drawings and all this.

1338
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fun is this? What is this?

1339
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: This is not anything that any normal person would have seen.

1340
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: And yet somehow all of these people knew that this

1341
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: was like the weird, creepy style that would be expected

1342
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: in this birthday book. That to me was incredibly eye

1343
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: opening about what is going on here.

1344
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the only Trump. There's not a lot on

1345
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: Trump in here. The one crazy mention is there's this

1346
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: list that Gallane sends him and it's like, please review

1347
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: this list, add or remove people. It's like Larry Summers,

1348
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: who else like Jean Luke, you know, all of his friends,

1349
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: Ace Greenberg, the former CEO, Senator George Mitchell, Michael Ovitz,

1350
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: the Hollywood superstar Donald Trump, Les Wexner, Jess Staley, the

1351
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 3: former the JP Morgan guy at the time, later on

1352
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: the CEO of Barclays, like just.

1353
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: At Duke of York, Duke of York.

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01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: These have been General Wesley Clark like, there's a lot

1355
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: of fun, very famous people who are on this list.

1356
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: And Epstein replied to this and he said, remove Trump, Lead,

1357
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: ad Earl Mack, David Gergan, more Zuckerman, you know, and

1358
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: all these But my thing is, I'm like, I still

1359
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: don't know what this list is. And what's also crazy

1360
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: throughout the emails, like the amount of Hollywood invines this

1361
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: guy was getting was crazy, Like it was invited to

1362
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: like the what was that George Claney movie? No, Michael Clayton.

1363
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, do you want to come to the

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01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: premiere of Michael private screening? Like, hey, do you want

1365
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: to come to The Sopranos the final episode? He was like,

1366
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: do you want to come to a special screening of this?

1367
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: Just the level of yeah again, just just to really

1368
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: see it up close. You know, you have some inkling

1369
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: of the way the world works, even getting to know,

1370
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: you know, relative power circles. But this was a whole

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: other level. And so yeah, we'll have more stories. By

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Speaker 3: the way, shout out again. I want to give the

1373
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: real shout out Ryan grim More Taza, those guys they

1374
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 3: did all the Israel reporting, they got their first incredible

1375
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: stuff going through it. Also final shout out Jason Leopold

1376
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: over a.

1377
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Speaker 4: Let's put C two up on the screen because I

1378
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 4: think this.

1379
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: Is yeah, he also has Yeah, he's great.

1380
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: This was also you know, he did a FOIO request

1381
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: to say, hey, see, hey, what's going on with this,

1382
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, effort to redact the Epstein files, and he

1383
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: was able to get his hands on some internal government

1384
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: correspondence and you know, basically found the amount of overtime

1385
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: hours that were spent between March seventeenth and March twenty second,

1386
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: FBI personnel clocked in a total of four seven hundred

1387
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: and thirty seven hours of overtime actually sorry, that was.

1388
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: Between January and July.

1389
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: Of that more than seventy percent occurred during the month

1390
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: of March alone. While personnel we're reviewing the Epstein files

1391
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: at a total talk taxpayer dollar amount of you know,

1392
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: over a million dollars, and so you've got yeah, I mean,

1393
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: it's important to see what's going on here behind the

1394
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: scenes where they're going through. We don't know what the

1395
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: nature of these redactions were. I don't think that he's

1396
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: been able to get his hands on exactly what they

1397
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: were looking for and the ways that they were trying

1398
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: to scrub these files. This is leading up to them being, oh,

1399
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: there's nothing to see here, and you know, let's case clothes.

1400
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: Let's move on, going from why have the files on

1401
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: my desk they're being reviewed to he killed himself and

1402
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: there's really nothing going on here anyway, We're all moving on.

1403
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: So he gets a little bit of the backstory here

1404
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: of what was happening behind closed doors.

1405
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the redactions and the review process, you can just

1406
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: see like how crazed that they are to try and

1407
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 3: to do this. The FOYA that he was able to

1408
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: get basically gets to all of the he said, the

1409
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: number of hours as you said, and the you know,

1410
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars that they clocked forty seven

1411
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: hundred hours of overtime. So yeah, shout out to Jason.

1412
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: People really should go subscribe to him on Twitter and stuff.

1413
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: He calls himself a FOYA terrorist, and he really is.

1414
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: He's one of the goats here. I want to give

1415
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: him a lot of credit for breaking some of the

1416
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: stuff wide open because what he did. I think also

1417
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: with the initial Bloomberg story, is he broke a lot

1418
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: of this these emails because he was personal who got

1419
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: first access to them. He broke some of this stuff

1420
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: out into the open that revealed this power nexus.

1421
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: These a lot of these people, these billionaires and others.

1422
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 3: They're not responding to me for comment, but they did

1423
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 3: respond to Jason and so they had to. Right, it's

1424
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: bloomberg fucking news, right, so they had to come forward

1425
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: and offer an explanation or any of that. He broke

1426
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 3: it down if their team did a very digestible job.

1427
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're just going to continue to try and

1428
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: add on to some of the stuff that we know,

1429
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: some of the intelligence connections, Israel stuff and others. But

1430
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: this email set has been you know, shared with a

1431
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: variety of different journalists, and I think that's great.

1432
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: That's what That's how it needs to be.

1433
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: And anybody out there, if you have more, send it along,

1434
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: especially anything pre five and post twenty thirteen.

1435
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: I would love to read it.

1436
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: Not the stuff that the House of Representatives has, the

1437
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 3: real stuff, his actual email stuff that hasn't been vetted

1438
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: or any of that. We you know, obviously we're not

1439
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: releasing everything because that has names of victims and private inform,

1440
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: financial information, all kinds of stuff. We're doing a lot

1441
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: of work behind the scenes just to make sure everything

1442
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: we put out verified, vetted, astra comment and all that.

1443
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: It takes a lot of work. So there you go,

1444
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: Thank you all very much for that. All right, let's

1445
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: get to Cash Patel. Shall we put this help here

1446
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: on the screen? Just too uh, this one's too good.

1447
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 11: All right?

1448
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: So this is interesting that.

1449
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: This is in the New York Post too.

1450
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Miranda Devine, she had a bunch of scoops

1451
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: with regard to the Charlie Kirk investigation as well. So

1452
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: she is plugged in here with the FBI, and she's

1453
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: plugged in with some people who are really not super

1454
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: psyched about Cashptel, the quote.

1455
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 3: Unquote leader, the mega contingent of the FBI. Yeah, that

1456
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: doesn't include Cash Betel. Okay, so she says. FBI Director

1457
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: Cash Betel is facing withering criticism from an alliance of

1458
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: active duty and retired agents. Days after the White House

1459
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 3: denied media reports the President's going to fire him, a

1460
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: troubling new report card on the first six months of

1461
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: Petel's leadership concludes he is in over his head and

1462
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: his quote deputy Dan Bongino is something of a clown

1463
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: which in pre trivious reports warned about crippling DEI and politicization.

1464
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: So these are people who have warned about d and

1465
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 3: politicization of the FBI under Biden. All right, So can

1466
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 3: we just say that they're not specialist, they're not libs, all.

1467
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: Right, she says.

1468
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: The FBI under Patel is described as a quote rudderless

1469
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: ship and all fucked up. Patel is described by the

1470
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: multiple inserces as inexperienced, one source saying is neither the

1471
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 3: breadth of experience nor the bearing an FBI director should

1472
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: be successful. Another self professed Trump supporter said Patel is

1473
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: not good, maybe insecure lacks Erek was an experience and

1474
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: a measured self confidence to be the FBI director.

1475
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: Some of the heavy criticism stems.

1476
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: From Patel's behavior in Salt Lake City after the Charlie

1477
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: Kirk assassination. He was accused of giving premature public remarks

1478
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 3: that jeopardize the investigation, taking credit for the work of

1479
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: other agencies, yelling and swearing at the agent in charge.

1480
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: Both he and Bongino were criticized for arrogance and an

1481
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 3: unfortunate obsession with social media. One source that he needed

1482
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: to stop talking, stop posing, just be professional. Another that

1483
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 3: he is spending too much time on social media and

1484
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: public relations, too often concerned with building their own personal resumes.

1485
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: This was all written in the style of an official

1486
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: FBI intelligence assessment, analyzing reports from sources and sub forces,

1487
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: and using anecdotes to illustrate troubling themes. Now this is

1488
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: my personal favorite one. On September eleventh, twenty twenty five,

1489
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: the day after Kirk was assassinated, Patel flew into Provo Utah. This,

1490
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: by the way, is according to this report. Just so

1491
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 3: we're all clear, Patel flew into Provo Utah on the

1492
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: FBI jet Quote would not disembark from the plane without

1493
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: an FBI raid jacket. According to a highly respected source

1494
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: who was served in the FBI for decades, Quote, Patel

1495
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: did not have his own FBI jacket with him and

1496
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: refused to step from the plane without wearing one. Agents

1497
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: at Salt Lake City, busy working on the Kirk case,

1498
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: had to stop and ask around to find an FBI

1499
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: ray jacket, a quote, medium sized one that would fit

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: that one hurts gosh when a jacket belonging to a

1501
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: female agent was delivered to Patel on the plane, he

1502
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: complained that two areas on the upper sleeves did not

1503
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: have velcrow patches attached.

1504
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 1: Let's put those images up here on the screen, please.

1505
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: Patel would not leave the plane until he had two

1506
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 3: patches to cover those areas, so members of an FBI

1507
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: swat team took patches off their own uniforms ran those

1508
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: patches over to Patel at the airport. The patches were

1509
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: then attached to the loner FBI raid jacket. Patel disembarked

1510
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: from the plane. Patel did not have a positive impression.

1511
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: The director was quote not happy with the way the

1512
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 3: investigation was going, yelled at the special agent in charge,

1513
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: directed an expletive laden tirade over perceived blunders in the case.

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Speaker 3: Bongino later called him and apologized for his tirade, saying

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 3: they should never have happened. They say Patel did a

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: disservice to the FBI by breaking with bureau tradition and

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: then taking credit for good work by other agencies and

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 3: seemingly to imply results that would not have been possible

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: without Patel's involvement. In another situation, he was said to

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: be so upset that a discussion took place among a

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: few FBI personnel that his request that he issued an

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01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: FBI firearm and was very upset that people had learned

1523
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 3: about that. When details of the discussion league, he ordered

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:30,480
Speaker 3: everyone to get polygraphed to find out who had criticized

1525
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 3: him described and this is what we.

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Speaker 2: Get for putting influencers in positions of power.

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01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, so I think those are my two personal

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: favorite ones that we can stick with. This doesn't even

1529
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: get to the whole private jet thing that we had

1530
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: talked about, visiting his romantic chatter friends who has quote

1531
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 3: what did he say, has done more for this country

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01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 3: than most people have done ten Yeah, country music sensation.

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if I mean, I don't know if

1534
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: you guys remember all the details. But he was a

1535
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: messan plably, he was a mess because he was tweeting things.

1536
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: And that's part of what they're saying in this report

1537
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: is like, dude, stop posting and like, focus on your

1538
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: freaking job and stop worrying so much about what people

1539
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,839
Speaker 2: are saying on Twitter, Like actually do what you're supposed

1540
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: to do. Because he was posting inaccurate inform. Oh, we

1541
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: got the guy. And then turns out, oh no, you don't,

1542
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: you don't got the guy. And then I remember too,

1543
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: we were waiting they had announced they were going to

1544
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 2: do this press conference. Yes, we were waiting for it.

1545
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: It's like, what is going on? What is happening with

1546
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: this press conference? It was hours and hours and now

1547
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: we know what the hang up was. Cash was waiting

1548
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 2: to get his female sized medium jacket so that he

1549
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: could you know, look, you know, have the FBI jacket.

1550
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: Look not that it helps him, because people also still

1551
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: commented during that press conference how he looked totally lost

1552
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: and out of his depth. So the FBI jacket did

1553
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: not save him from the public judgment. And then you

1554
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: know you've had, of course all this stuff about the girlfriend.

1555
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 2: Of course, all of the like you know, Epstein files

1556
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: does disster. That disastrous appearance with Joe Rogan also, you know,

1557
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: was a major problem for him. And look, that's the

1558
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: one field where he should be x y. I mean,

1559
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: he's a podcast or he should be expert at that,

1560
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: and you couldn't even you know, nail.

1561
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 4: That one with Joe Rogan.

1562
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: And then you also had in this investigation at the

1563
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 2: press conference right after these two National guardsmen were shot.

1564
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: He says, we're we're gonna we're looking for who did this,

1565
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: and they're like, dude, we've got the guy, Like he's

1566
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: in custody.

1567
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 4: What are you talking about. So it's just a comedy

1568
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 4: of theirs.

1569
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: You know, there was a report I think from ms

1570
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 2: NOW about how he was on the ounce and Trump

1571
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: may fire him, he may be let go.

1572
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: They are denying that.

1573
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: I have no idea whether the you know, there's any

1574
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: veracity to that or not. I have a feeling that

1575
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: in some ways, having especially the liberal press being you know, MSNBC,

1576
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: the liberal press reporting on that, probably harden Trump like

1577
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: he wouldn't want us to be seen to like giving

1578
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: in to them. New York Post is a different matter, though.

1579
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean, this is aligned to meet more or less.

1580
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: And so that's part of why having this report from

1581
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: Miranda Divine in the New York Post is pretty devastating,

1582
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: much more devastating than something that would come out of the.

1583
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: N And do you know what Dan called her? He

1584
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: called her deep state miran or deep state God. I mean,

1585
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: they're just shamelessness, shameless, you know what.

1586
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember the dates for some whole fit of

1587
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: the Epstein thing, like went home and it was going

1588
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 2: to resign and then came back with his tail between

1589
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: his legs.

1590
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 4: And he's basically been sidelined. Now they put.

1591
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: Somebody else, They put somebody else like in his position

1592
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: detail he's been equally embarrassing, but he's already sort of

1593
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: been demoted.

1594
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 4: Insideline.

1595
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: Miranda Devine is I mean, as Trump friendly as you get,

1596
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 3: but she's also just look, I mean honestly, props to

1597
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: her because what it shows is she's not a complete

1598
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: Sicka fan. She did that podcast, She's interviewed a bunch

1599
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 3: of different Trump officials. Remember she asked the JD a

1600
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 3: couple of UFO questions. But yeah, his response was deep state.

1601
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 3: Divine strikes again. Miranda ridiculous of loves attacking our reform

1602
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 3: agenda with gossipy anecdotes.

1603
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: Employees get.

1604
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 3: Of covering up the Epstein fire, so upset her recording

1605
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 3: keeps falling under scrutiny. You can always count on Miranda

1606
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 3: for a timed hit piece. When the director and I

1607
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: make big changes, she prefers the old guard I don't again.

1608
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 3: These are people who These are FBI agents who are

1609
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: sounding the alarm under Biden, who are MAGA friendly and

1610
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: their deep state.

1611
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I'm also I'm so sick of these

1612
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: people trying to post like their Trump.

1613
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 4: Oh I like the nicknames and the like.

1614
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: The whole style, listic like it's so it's so pathetic.

1615
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: It's just so sad and tired at this point, like

1616
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 2: we can all see what you're doing.

1617
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 4: You don't have your own identity.

1618
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: You have to try to channel the big Man, and

1619
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: it doesn't work for anyone other than Donald Trump. So anyway,

1620
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: just you know, just really sad stuff all the way around,

1621
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 2: really sad stuff.

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Speaker 1: Petic all right, put pritish