1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: Our colleague Nol is adventuring still. 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: But will return soon. They call me Ben. We're joined 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: as always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pow Fagan. 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: this the stuff they don't want you to know a 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: bit of a special case, fellow conspiracy realist. This is 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: part two of a two part series on the troubled 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: Border of meanmarn Honestly, Matt, troubled is vastly understating the case. 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many issues here that we've been going 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: over thus far, and we're about to get into a 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: lot more of them. And I'm just looking at some 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: of the some of the news reporting just over this 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: year since April with the civil war stuff that's been 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: going on, and then connecting it to the powerful forces 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: that are able to operate, some of the military forces 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: as well as some of the resistance forces that are 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: out there that are battling each other all across Meenmar, 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: especially near the borders, and a lot of that money 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: that's funding this stuff is coming from the crime. 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. We also know that people who are 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: being enslaved in these certain camps that we're going to 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: talk about, we know they're coming from around the world. 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: This is an international conspiracy. So please please please tune 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: into episode one of this series, the first part to 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: get a handle on what we're talking about. And now 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: without the ad part two of the Troubled Border of Meanmar, 32 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: can we talk. 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: About the somewhat strange border that India has with me 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: and Maar, Because Bangladesh is, like, I don't know, tucked 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: in between this tiny little piece of land that sends 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: India around the top of Bangladesh and around to the 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: side and then wraps around where it actually borders with 38 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: me and Maar, and it is it's so interesting, And 39 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: I was wrong when I looked at it. Initially I 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: thought that Bangladesh actually had this very large border with Myanmar, 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: but no, that's actually India. Yeah, it just wraps around. 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: Like a thousand miles. 43 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge. 44 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: It's huge, and it's because it's huge. Again, it's porous 45 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: and the ethnic groups residing there live on either side 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: of the border. Previously, previously on India, the Modi administration 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: had said, Okay, we're gonna give you a free movement. 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: We understand that everybody living in these villages, you have 49 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: close knit kinshit you have more in common with yourselves 50 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: than you have with us running India's government. So you know, 51 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: free movement anyone on either side of the border. Here, 52 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: if you live here, you can go ten miles into 53 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: the other country. You don't need a visa because it's 54 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: you know, you're probably going to work, You're probably going 55 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: to go visit your mom or something. Just pass through, 56 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: say hey to Robert, and go on your merry way. 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: But then with the Civil War, meandmar began printing, refugees 58 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: flooding into India at a rate, and the rural areas 59 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: simply couldn't take. I mean, imagine if folks, tell us 60 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: where you live, and give us your Social Security number, 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: but tell us where you live, and imagine imagine your 62 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: town cut in half. If Atlanta all of a sudden 63 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: was part us and then part a different country A 64 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: what country would it be? And see who would be 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: running to which side, because if it's a better country 66 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: than the US, we're all going to go. If someone's like, hey, 67 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: south of I twenty is now Switzerland and that happens 68 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: in ten days, what do you happen? You know what 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: I mean? Anybody who ends up south of twenty inside 70 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: two eighty five, congratulations, you are now a Swiss citizen. 71 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: WHOA I would do it? Yeah? Do you think we 72 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: can make that happen? I want to go there. 73 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: I'm South Swiss is what we call ourselves, south switzz Yeah, yep, 74 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a question. And when things were 75 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: going so horribly, Arai and me and mar Ala, these 76 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: people were asking selves the same question. They went over 77 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: to India, or they were not allowed to go to 78 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: India because the government decided to build a wall. 79 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: They built that wall, baby, Yeah. 80 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: They ended the free movement program, they built the wall. 81 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: They cited national security concerns because of the civil war, 82 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: which makes sense. 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: They're those are real concerns. 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: These are valid, but they're not necessarily exclusive. You have 85 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: real concerns and ulterior motives as well, you know, like, oh, 86 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: never mind, I don't know if I want to say 87 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 3: it like you know how like, yes, the cop might 88 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 3: have to pull somebody over for speeding, but it also 89 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: helps them with their quota. Yes, so those are two valid. 90 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: There's valid We'll see if we keep that one. 91 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: I get it. I get what you're saying. 92 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: And not all law enforcement needs a quota obviously. Yeah, 93 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking through cons actually there. It's it's sticky, 94 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: right because locals in this northeastern part of India in particular, 95 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: they say there's an ulterior motive. They say, you know what, 96 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: life here is rough in northeast India, And so what 97 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: we think is happening is the government is ignoring the 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: real problem and blaming migrants and refugees as a convenient 99 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: deflection away from addressing other more serious and subsidtuente problems. 100 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: Weird, gosh, that feels some deja vu, right, Yeah, something 101 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: resonating with me there. 102 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: Oh, look at Dylan's not Actually. 103 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: Can't put my finger on it, but it sounds familiar. 104 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: I wish I brought my magic eight ball, which is. 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: Cocaine signs point two. 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: I've never tried it. I think I would age out 107 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: of that experience. 108 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 2: But me and I think that's really good. 109 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: I think so for it being so unpopular in college, Yeah, 110 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: is that what it was? I don't know. I just 111 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: think it was never the demographic yes us yay, gosh, 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: Still we're such dudley do rights. But we know, you know, 113 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: we know that people can be opportunistic with this kind 114 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: of stuff. And right now, eighty thousand refugees and asylum 115 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: seekers from Meamar live in India. Of those eighty thousand, 116 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: the vast majority came over since the twenty twenty one coup. 117 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Yep. 118 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: So there are similar instances in Thailand and of course Laos. 119 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: Just recently meamr national was brutally beaten to death in 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: Thailand and there's a flood of methamphetamine as you know, 121 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: coming through that area. We see the civil wars bringing 122 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: refugees death and chaos, and other countries try to do 123 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: the right This is really important, folks. Other countries try 124 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: to do the right thing in assisting refugees, but they're 125 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 3: under no lea real legal compulsion to do so. That's 126 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: why when speaking of deja vu, you see a situation 127 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: with a lot of potential refugees, at least is indicated 128 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: by their Google searches. Every country you want to apply 129 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: to does not have to take you. It is their decision. 130 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so just like make yourself an amazing candidate on paper, Yes. 131 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: Ye do, take all the tricks you learn from social 132 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: media and just fake it till you make it exactly. 133 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. They do not have to do that. 134 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: But being you know, it's it's like the right thing 135 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: to do. But bringing in a bunch of new people 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: that need you know, the resources that you have on 137 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: offer as a country in a region, it is a 138 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: strain on everything when you bring in fifty thousand people 139 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: or more. 140 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, pretty much anywhere bringing that many people. 141 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: But again it it's the right thing to do. There's 142 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: no legal thing on you know, a country's next and 143 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: you have to do this, but it is probably the 144 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: right thing to do. 145 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the phrase we'll hear often by different countries 146 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: is eligible for refugee status. You have to apply for 147 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: this position. We will consider whether the way I was 148 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: about to say, the way they get you, but this 149 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: is true. The way that you calculate this stuff as 150 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: a country is you say, of course we accept refugees. 151 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: We're the good guys. This is the right thing to do, 152 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: and we do that as long as someone is eligible 153 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: for refugee status. You know what I mean, just answer 154 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: a few questions first and don't be this because we 155 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: hate those guys. 156 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really specific questions about Pokemon, like the specific 157 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: Pokemon in your preferences, in that kind of thing. And 158 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: then they're like, oh, I don't know, this is a 159 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: Jigglypuff guy. I don't like that. Oh that guy's way 160 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: too much into. 161 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: It's bizarre metaphors, right, like the weird esoteric part of 162 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: the sat or the act. And then there's also stuff 163 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: where you can clearly tell they're not over the country 164 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: as a whole. It's not over its ex girlfriend. Why not? 165 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 166 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: And they're like, okay, so race, religion, nationality. That checks out. 167 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 3: You are from a persecuted religious minority. What do you 168 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: do you know, Deborah? I do do you know Karen? 169 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: Who all right let them in? But you're the last 170 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: one for today, buddy, Karen. 171 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: They don't even know that I know you. 172 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: I just said no, Jason. I mean, it does seem 173 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: that arbitrary, right, We're having a little bit of levity 174 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,119 Speaker 3: to it, but it is a serious problem. And because 175 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: of all this this mix of stuff right, the surge 176 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 3: and refugees, the wilful ignorance of the wider world, and 177 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: the strange moves at the border of Meamr with all 178 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: these other countries. Because of that, we see chaos and war, 179 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: the breakdown rule of law, which means we see crime. 180 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: Crime is so hot in MEMR right now. 181 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: Woo buddy, Yes it yes it is. I was channeling 182 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: my mom and told me there for a second. Yes 183 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: it is. 184 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they shout out Langston David. 185 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. Yeah, And we're talking everything. And 186 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: one of the biggest issues here is that it's not 187 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: it's not like it's me and mar based crime syndicates. 188 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Often sometimes it is, but not always. Often it's a 189 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: cartel that just moves into the territory like we were 190 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: talking about, because they can get away with it a 191 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: little easier. 192 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we're gonna see why too, because they might 193 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: function in partnership with the local warlord or military group, 194 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: or secessionist group or Gerria group. I'm naming all the groups. 195 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: You're gonna get paid if you let us operate right here, 196 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna get your cut. Just let us make our 197 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: money exactly. 198 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: Migrants from around the region. A lot of other countries, 199 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: like from Thailand, from the Philippines, from Sri Lanka, from India, 200 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: from Bangladesh, picture a country that is not China in 201 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: that region, someone there has been taken in with a 202 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: very strange, specific form of human trafficking. All the other 203 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: regular evil forms of human trafficking are real, are true, 204 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: and do continue there. But a lot of folks are 205 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: being kidnapped by these foreign domestic criminal partnerships and they're 206 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: being forced to scam targets in Europe and North America 207 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: online from compounds that are built and run for this 208 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: purpose by triads, by the Chinese organized crime. And we're 209 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: talking thousands and thousands and thousands of people, we don't 210 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: know how many exactly. 211 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: And we're talking about those weird, seemingly normal looking apartment 212 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: complexes where some of this stuff is taking place, where 213 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: people just live there and they are forced to do 214 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: this kind of work. 215 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's similar to how slavery happens in the Middle East. 216 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: People from Afar right, are lured in with these promises 217 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: of a high paying job. You know, this is your 218 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: chance to get out of a really tough environment in 219 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: your town. You know, in Kenya and the Philippines or Malaysia, 220 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: you can provide for your family. Just work with us 221 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: for a few years and then you sadly, the dream 222 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: is often pitched as and then you can go back 223 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: to your home country and you'll have the capital to 224 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: start your own business. It's just a life changing thing. 225 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: But when they get there, if they have a visa 226 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: or a passport, it is taken from them, at least 227 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: in the Middle East. And if they just have a 228 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: job offer in this area of the world, in Southeast Asia, 229 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 3: then they don't have a legal protection. They're smuggled across 230 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: the border, like to the point where you get across 231 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: a river somewhere and you just got your suitcase, and 232 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: then the person who's supposed to be helping you says, 233 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: all right, run to the van. There's no customs, and 234 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: customs can be a pain in the ass, But if 235 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: you've ever had across a place without it, you're gonna 236 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: miss it. You're gonna miss that at least one person 237 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: is checking in on you in a way that is 238 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: not run to the van. 239 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you know, well, if they're checking me, 240 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: they must be checking everybody. And there's a sense of safety. 241 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: Perhaps that comes with that, like sure, somebody's got an 242 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: eye on all of us. They're coming through. 243 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: Someone has decided there are rules to this road. That's it, 244 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not a free for all. 245 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: But yeah, these groups often don't have any rule of law. 246 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: They're outside the reach of law enforcement. The media is 247 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: not allowed. Civil society by which mean nonprofits and stuff. 248 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: They're not allowed. None of this of that. Doctors without 249 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: border's fancy stuff. It's just run to the van or 250 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: will kill you. There was a guy Jason Tower for USIP, 251 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: which is the United States Institute of Peace, my favorite name. 252 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: I have read some stuff from. We've talked about these names. 253 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they have a great point here. They say, 254 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: this is the United Nations of scamming. In meandmar scammers 255 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,479 Speaker 3: are trafficked in as forced labor from all these different countries. 256 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: And we read this thing for the Pulitzer Center by 257 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: these two awesome Pulitzer grantees and journalists or three Alistair McReady, 258 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: Allegra Mendelssohn and Haintar. And these these folks tell just 259 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: heroin stories of firsthand experiences from from people who have 260 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: been trafficked as part of these scam slave farms. 261 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of that poorest Hime Island me 262 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: and mar Border. Well, one of the major hubs there 263 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: is that town Miawatei, one of the really important ones 264 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: because that's one of the ones that militaries are constantly 265 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: coming in and out of trying to gain control. 266 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: Of, right because it's a profit center exactly. We're going 267 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: to pause here for a word from our sponsors and. 268 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: We'll be back, and we're back. 269 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: We don't know how many people have been victimized by this. 270 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: We simply don't. A lot of these folks exist off 271 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: the grid. They're the kind of people the world ignores. 272 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: But we have some indicators, some data indicators, that are terrified. 273 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: We know that pretty much everybody who is attempting to 274 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: prevent human trafficking in this part of the world, they 275 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: have all clocked a huge rise in trafficking situations. So 276 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: it's a tip of the Iceberg situation, at least that's 277 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: how geraldine An Start puts it. 278 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, that makes a ton of sense, because you've got 279 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: to imagine only a tiny percentage of human trafficking victims 280 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: are ever able to escape enough to raise. 281 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: A flag r right, yeah. 282 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: And to like seek help in any form or you know, 283 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: just literally in any way. 284 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 3: And many don't have any of that kind of social 285 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 3: safety net to begin. 286 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: With, exactly right. I mean, and I'm talking even getting 287 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: to a car to get down the road far enough 288 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: to actually get help from someone or an emergency service 289 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: like it's you were if you're in one of these situations, 290 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: you were potentially just stuck there. 291 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: And it sounds very very easy, damnably easy to say, well, 292 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: if it were me in that situation, I would figure 293 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: something out. I would, you know, I am straight up 294 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: mcgiver and Jason barr all in one. I'm a sober 295 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: James Bond. I'm James Bond if he wasn't drunk. That 296 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: is not true. That is not what's going to happen. 297 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: That is a cinema that is perhaps fooling us because 298 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: their works of fiction, Your life is tightly controlled. You're beaten. 299 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: They beat the crap out of you every day. They 300 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 3: control you through fear, they control you through hunger. They 301 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: may get you hooked on drugs, yep, which is another 302 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: you know from our episode about how you would control 303 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: someone with an asset with esp Oh, yeah, that's one 304 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 3: of the best ways. 305 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: Right well, and especially when we're talking about crackdowns on 306 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: borders the way we're mentioning the border with India. If 307 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: they're controlling your passport and you are physically able to 308 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: get to a border crossing and you don't have a passport, 309 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: maybe someone you know takes mercy on you and says, Okay, 310 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: we'll at least consider your status. 311 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: Or you're an asylum seeker, yeah something. 312 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: But you know, it's also likely that you don't. You 313 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: aren't given that benefit of the doubt if you just 314 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: show up there. 315 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why. Look, also, this industry is worth 316 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 3: billions of dollars just online scamming people. It's not going 317 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: to slow down. The rule of law isn't functioning, and 318 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: the money is too good, so much so that in 319 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: some of these compounds or some of these towns like 320 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: you mentioned, Matt, the conflicting groups aren't fighting for their ideology. 321 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: They're fighting for control of the money maker, right of 322 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: that profit center. And the places have names like Family Park. 323 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: That Family Park alone has two thousand workers estimated in 324 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 3: this situation, or the KK Park zone, which is huge, 325 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: and this is where our Pulitzer journalists spend a lot 326 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 3: of time exploring the story. You work twelve to fourteen 327 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: hour shifts, part of a team, and your whole job 328 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: is to target social media users and engage them in scams. 329 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: You have a quota, and your quota in at least 330 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: a couple of cases was twenty five thousand US dollars 331 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: per day. Holy crapty, scam people to that level. 332 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: That's so many people, or. 333 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: It's one person with a lot of money, it's you 334 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: know what, you find one lonely guy. 335 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, one lonely guy one, or a small group of 336 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: just lonely humans that happen to have that kind of 337 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: money or have good enough credit to take out a 338 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: line or something. 339 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: It's almost like the free to play apps, where you 340 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: know the entire calculus of building those apps is to 341 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: engage in cycles of addictive behavior, right, and then know 342 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: that sure ninety percent of people are just going to 343 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: put it down or they'll never play past the free part. Yeah, 344 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 3: ten percent or nine percent will play a little, and 345 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: then you're one percent, the so called whale is going 346 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: to just open their wallet because they need more. I 347 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: don't know, what's the thing you get They need more 348 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: gold to boggins or whatever they call their currency game. 349 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: Money for their cat's health. Oh wait, what, that's a. 350 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: Whole different thing. Okay, they've got to crush their candies, right, Yeah, yeah, 351 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: that sounds like a weird euphemism, but yes, yes, so 352 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 3: they have to, like you're saying, man, they either get 353 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: a collection of people who are paying a little into 354 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: a scam or get got a bit before they can 355 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: extricate themselves, and then they want to get the whales. 356 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: And they do this not because they're bad people, but 357 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: because they have physical consequences, possibly fatal consequences if they 358 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 3: don't play the game. This would have been so baffling 359 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: to law enforcement of decades past. 360 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to imagine other versions of organized crime, 361 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: at least depictions that I've seen in fiction or something 362 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: I've read about inside the US, where there's that level 363 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: of a quota that you've got of money to make. 364 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: Ooh, I got one. I got to pitch call in 365 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: telephone sex lines. Okay, you could do the same kind 366 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: of things. 367 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: You have to be on the phone providing services for 368 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: x number of you know, hours a day or minutes 369 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: a day or something and if you don't, then your 370 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: pay gets docked or something. Yeah, I could see, or you. 371 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: Could get beaten up because maybe you are in a 372 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: situation where there is a pimp controlling you. H And 373 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: that's one of the side gigs you're required to do, 374 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: Like when some people sex workers were forced into doing 375 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: webcam shows. Yes, so that could totally happen with telephone lines. Yep. 376 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: No, yeah, I can totally see that. You can see 377 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: that in that same way, even just see. I think 378 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 2: about human trafficking mostly when it comes to that stuff. 379 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't think about like the drug trade. You have 380 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: to sell X number of bags or whatever. 381 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Sure, I don't know. 382 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know. 383 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: The drug game has done so much for the metric 384 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: system in the United States, and I feel like we 385 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: need to brag about that more often. 386 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: That's right. 387 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: Also, we talked about this, right, I tell you the 388 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: McGruff guy got arrested, scruff ruff McGruff. 389 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: It's a drug dog, Scruff McGruff, right is it? Scruff McGruff, Chicago, Illinois, 390 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: six oh six five. 391 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you guys are sellouts. I was never on 392 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: a first name basis with him. Right, Okay, that's a 393 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 3: good note. That's Dylan's my accountabill of Buddy. So the 394 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: McGruff guy, Yeah, I got arrested for excuse me, the 395 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: actor playing McGruff because it's not a real anthropomorphic dog. 396 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: The actor playing McGruff got arrested for a massive amount 397 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: of cannabis. Oh he got sixteen years for one thousand 398 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: pot plants and twenty seven weapons, including his grenade launcher. 399 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: Oh dude, we really. 400 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: Didn't talk about this. 401 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: Maybe we did, but I don't think we got into. 402 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: The special It was back in twenty fourteen. 403 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, even scruff is like, hey, kids, don't worry. 404 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: Weed's not a drug anymore. 405 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: A grenade launchers are cool. So that's McGruff the crime dog. 406 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: And how do we get there, Oh yeah, because we're 407 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: talking about these online scams. Yes, yes, yes, So one 408 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: of the scams is pretty much kind of like a 409 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: like a honeypot thing, but the digital version, and they 410 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: call it the pig butchering scam. They pose as a 411 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 3: love interest to entice you know, the rube or the 412 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: mark into a fraudulent investment scheme. And that works. Yeah, 413 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: because people are lonely, you know, we always hear. It's 414 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: even now it's the point where it's a kind of 415 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 3: sad stand up comedy trope. Right the mail order bride. Yeah, 416 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 3: found love online half a world away, and she'll get 417 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: to me or he'll get to me just as soon 418 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: as we swart out a few things, and I'm gonna 419 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: help pay for them. 420 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, like customs thinks things that I need in order 421 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: to get out of the country to you to finally 422 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: make it to you. 423 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: Also, will you help my family? Yeah? 424 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and if you if you're a good 425 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: person and you actually care about this other person that 426 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: is a fiction on the other end of the line. 427 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: Who gets you? Who is the first person who really 428 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: listened to your bullsh. 429 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, who will spend time with you right right and 430 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: pay attention to you. It's just that is an insidious 431 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: and uh. 432 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 3: And it works, and it just evolves with technology, you 433 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Because before there were computers, people 434 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: were doing that with letters in the post. You know, 435 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: Dearest Samantha, h y to touch you, heaven, the flesh 436 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: and person, you angelic voice to soothe me to sleep. 437 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: Yet the war has been rough in my country, and 438 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: the postmaster generally says, I shall be able to send 439 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: no more letters unless I pay the Duke the blood ransom. 440 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: Yes, of seven and ninety two dollars exactly check please, 441 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: I was. 442 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: Hoping you were going to say, shillings the blooms good 443 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: to require two forms of identification social Security card. 444 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: If you've got it. 445 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, blood type list of your fears would be nice. 446 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: So this is I mean, we're we're making light of it, 447 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 3: but it is a real brutal and dangerous thing. And 448 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: I think this also gives an opportunity to exercise some empathy, right, 449 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: because I you know, I've fallen for to the the 450 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: allure of watching, Oh a scammer gets pooned. Right? You know, 451 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: I tricked this scammer into doing this silly thing. 452 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: I love watching scammers get pomed. 453 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: I did too, But more and more I'm thinking, what 454 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: if these folks are not there consentually? What if they're. 455 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: Forced to do this? Okay, I get so. 456 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: Now, am I making fun of someone that is going 457 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: to get the snot beat out of them no matter what? 458 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's a very inhumane thing to do. 459 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. The things the ones I like 460 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: that I've seen before is one particular British dude. I 461 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 2: think that we'll get into the systems, like there's so many. 462 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: Cameras, the camera of the person at the call center. 463 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: Well yeah, the entire call center, right, And often what 464 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: he'll do is focus on the manager, like identifying the 465 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: manager and getting information on the manager and just going 466 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: after that one person via you know, through whoever he's 467 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: talking makes more sense, Yeah, and I appreciate that, But 468 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: even then that manager might be caught up in the 469 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: same thing. 470 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: And I like I do. I still like seeing scammers 471 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: who are consensually scamming is a lifestyle, sort of like 472 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: the four to one nine boys, the four to one 473 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: nine scammers Nigeria. Yeah, that's consensual. It's sort of even 474 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: a glorification of a lifestyle. And I love seeing the 475 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 3: pranks where, for instance, the person who's supposed to be 476 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: being scammed keeps making increased request too, like I'd love 477 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: to can you help me out so that I know 478 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: it's you. Can you get Harry Potter tattooed on you? 479 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: Just so I could verify this, if you don't mind, 480 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: If you don't mind, so this, Oh. 481 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: Wait, there's one more type thing. You've got to go 482 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: watch if you if you can right now, and it's 483 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 2: a series. 484 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: Oh man, I. 485 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: See, I don't have the specific needs, but it is 486 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: there's at least one woman who will just frustrate the 487 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: ever living crap out of scammers by keeping them on 488 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: the phone and confused for an elongated period of time. 489 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it makes me happy. 490 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: And the word for this online is called scam baiting, 491 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: so you can check out things like four to one 492 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: nine eater dot com. Oh anyway, just remember we're bringing 493 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: this up because in these cases, these folks who are 494 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: doing this while as a crime, they are forced to 495 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: do it, they're enslaved to do it, and this, you know, 496 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: it's horrifying to read the examples of people who said, yeah, 497 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: I had to fake a relationship with someone online and 498 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: take money they probably didn't have because I need to 499 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: make twenty five grand a day. Some of the people 500 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: who are telling these stories also, you know, remove their 501 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: clothing and show the scars that they got from being 502 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: beaten after not meeting quotas gosh. 503 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: And it really sucks because if there was no money 504 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: in it, it wouldn't be happening. And if we could 505 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: find a way to prevent or educate or yeah, there's 506 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: some way to get it to at least fall below 507 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: profitable levels. Right, there are ways to do that. 508 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: There's got to be to de incentivize. The problem is 509 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: it seems like a lot of people in control don't 510 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: want it to stop. I'll just say that this takes 511 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: this shuay Coco, how do we get to this situation? 512 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? Shwey Coco is another one that we 513 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: mentioned in that listener mail episode, just like KK Party. Yeah, 514 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 2: it's just it's another one of these locations that is 515 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: doing a very similar thing, but they've upped their game. 516 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: Not only are they just keeping people, you know, in 517 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: one location attempting to run these scams. These this place, 518 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: shwaey Coco is also a casino or casinos. Are there 519 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: hotels for other people to come in and either function 520 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: temporarily or to bring people in as like a tourist 521 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: area of karate spots. 522 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's also the non consensual honed over 523 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 3: twenty thousand scam slaves. Wow. 524 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: With that, we're going to take a quick break here 525 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: a word from our sponsors and return for more. 526 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: And we've returned to Myanmar. Here's what happened without getting 527 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: too into the weeds on the development here. Look, Hwei 528 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: Coco is the most prominent example of a larger swath 529 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: of what are called special economic zones. They're in Laos, 530 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: they're in Cambodia, they're in Myanmar. Some are ostensibly related 531 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: to the Silk Road two point zero, the Belton Road 532 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: initiative that we talked about in the past, but now 533 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: pretty much all of them are crime hubs. And it's 534 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: it's because back in the day, Chinese triads had a 535 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: plan and they work hand in hand with the Chinese 536 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: government and other governments, and they said, we got to 537 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: get in on this special economic zone stuff. We're going 538 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: to launder our money to develop these areas. We've got 539 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 3: permission from the governments that say, hey, it's legal to 540 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 3: own a casino here. And then we're gonna get all 541 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: those tourists, all those Chinese tourists are gonna come in 542 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: and visit. They're gonna play at our casino, and they're 543 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 3: gonna lose, because that's how casinos work. And then you know, 544 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: if we can't do another side hustle, then we'll do that. 545 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: But guys, we're printing money off these roobs it's. 546 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: Like Disney Springs but for organized crime. 547 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's a very good way to put it. 548 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: In Cambodia alone, these crime networks have taken in fifty 549 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: to one hundred thousand people in Theanmar. The number could 550 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: be two times higher, the double could be treble, it 551 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: could be three times higher. We don't know because because 552 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: when the criminals started doing this as part of the 553 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: casino grift, which you know, have you been to Vegas, folks, 554 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 3: You've seen how that game works. 555 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: You've at least watched Showtime at some point in your life, 556 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: right right. 557 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: You've seen Sino. 558 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it. 559 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: Is not the most creative name for a movie, but 560 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: you know it's an amazing film. It is an amazing film, 561 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: and the title is accurate. So these guys didn't know 562 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: the pandemic was coming. That's where stuff messed up. They 563 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: wanted to have online gambling operations and then they wanted 564 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: to have in person casinos. This was something we talked 565 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 3: about also previously with a Thailand's serial killer. What remember 566 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: the female serial killer? Yes, it was killing people for gambling. 567 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: Online gambling that was run. Part of that was run 568 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: through Chinese triads. Holy lord. So the story. You know, 569 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: there's some red string. 570 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: Here, that's the poisoner. 571 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, she was poisoning pretty much everyone. Yeah, and 572 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: she was, and she was sleeping with law enforcement. Yeah, 573 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: married to him and then ex married to him, but 574 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: still sleeping with him. Yeah. 575 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: And it was some ungodly no amount of money that 576 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: was spent every day on online yeah, yeah, exactly. 577 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 3: It was a very dangerous situation. That person had a 578 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 3: very tragic story. Please check out our episode on it, 579 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: but gird thyself. So, these Chinese triad groups, very good 580 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: at crime, not great at predicting the COVID pandemic. As 581 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: COVID hit and all of a sudden, they don't have 582 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 3: their Chinese tourist base. They don't have their labor force either, 583 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: because they were using, you know, people associated with the triad. 584 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 2: So what do they do? Just pack up and call 585 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 2: it today. Well we tried. 586 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they don't try. They tryad So all right, 587 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 3: thank you for the rimshot. So around twenty twenty one, 588 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: something else happened amid the pandemic. The government of China 589 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: launched this huge campaign that might give a little bit 590 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: of deja vu to some of our listeners here in 591 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: the States. And other parts of the world. The government 592 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: reached out to Chinese nationals who are living all around 593 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: South Asia, all these different countries and forced them to 594 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: return to China, to return to Chinese soil by hook 595 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 3: or by crook. The penalties were super harsh. So now 596 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 3: the criminals have lost their tourist base, they lost their 597 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: labor base, and they start thinking and they start brainstorming 598 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: until an evil light bulb pops in their head and 599 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 3: they say, Hey, why don't we just lie to people 600 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: about the kind of job we'll give them. Why don't 601 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 3: we make sure they're here illegally so they don't have 602 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: any rights, And why don't we just kill them if 603 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 3: they don't do what we want them to do? 604 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: Uh? 605 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened. 606 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly what happened. It's horrific that that's 607 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: all going on while there's still a civil war raging. 608 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: While there, you know, there's also the fear imagining being 609 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: an individual living anywhere near one of the borders, right, Yeah, 610 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: And just the fear and uncertainty and struggle, all of 611 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: it just going on every day, just I don't know, 612 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 2: dealing with this extra layer, this extra other thing it's 613 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 2: almost like you can see why the world kind of 614 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: turns away a little bit because there's so much going on. 615 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not a simple story. Yeah, and especially 616 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 3: here in the West, we've been taught to prioritize simple stories. 617 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 3: Tell me this problem in five minutes, Tell me this 618 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 3: problem in three minutes. So I have two minutes to 619 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 3: hear the story about that funny dog running for mayor. 620 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: It helps so much when that dog runs for mayor, 621 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: just makes us all feel better. 622 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 3: It's just gosh, I feel I've got a couple of 623 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: friends who are reporters, or I've got one friend in 624 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 3: particular here in Atlanta who is a anchor and field reporter. 625 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 626 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 3: Those segues, Man, those transitions are tough. 627 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: You know. 628 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 3: I feel bad for people every time, you know, you 629 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 3: turn on the news at the wrong moment. Yeah, and 630 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 3: you can see they're really painful. They're like forty five 631 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: thousand dead. Roughly one third of the hands have been 632 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: found at this point. Now, next up, fuh in a Burrito, 633 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 3: We'll talk live with the eventor of the fa Rito. 634 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: Ben Bowling. 635 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: No, No, somebody beat it. Oh yeah, text it right right. 636 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 3: It was a good idea just means it was a 637 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: good idea. But this is again a It's a terrifying 638 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 3: mix of ingredients. It's an evil soup. It's simmering, it's 639 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 3: growing to a boil even tonight, and it will probably 640 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 3: continue to grow and step with the chaos. I mean, Matt, 641 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 3: you and I have researched a lot of this separately too. 642 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: What do you think is it too cynical to say 643 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 3: this appears set to continue? 644 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: It does seem like it's going to continue. I've been 645 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: into the diplomat, which is one of the sources. The 646 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 2: Diplomat's great if they've got some pretty dire stories coming 647 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: out of me and mar right now about other things, 648 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: other factors that are happening as well. If we think 649 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: about some of the extreme weather that the world, not 650 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 2: just you know, the US, not just other like the Caribbean. 651 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 2: But that's you know, maybe some of the most stuff 652 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: we see here is the most top of mind. But 653 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 2: the world is experiencing weather disasters right now in mass 654 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 2: and when you've got all these other unrest situations happening 655 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: in your country like me and mar is experiencing, then 656 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 2: a pretty simple flooding becomes an exmanitarian crisis exactly exponentially 657 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: worse than it would have been if you know, there 658 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 2: was some stability going on and they were just writing 659 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 2: about unprecedented disaster there in the diplomat as you know, 660 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 2: military fighting drags on, and that was from November eighth 661 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,479 Speaker 2: of this year. 662 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately it's still continuus. We want to 663 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 3: be able to say everything will be warm and fuzzy 664 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 3: and there's a variety future ahead, and maybe part of 665 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 3: that is true, but how far away is that future? Now? 666 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: You know? 667 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 3: We look the people again. We always have to say this. 668 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: The people living in Mianmar obviously want the violence to end. 669 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: International groups want to get in there and help people. 670 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: The media wants to share these stories. But at this 671 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 3: point it's also fair to ask, what about the people 672 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: at the top, not just the criminal organizations, but the 673 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: governments that clearly clearly support them. Do they want this 674 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 3: to end? Why aren't they stopping it? 675 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 2: Why don't you write into us and tell us what 676 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: you think? You can call us, You can find us 677 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 2: on social media, you can email us. Here is how 678 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 2: to get in touch. First on social media. Check out 679 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff. That's our handle in most places on Instagram 680 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 2: and TikTok. We are conspiracy stuff show. 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